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Just saw that pic of Jay's older Ferrari which made me think about how those cars age. To me it seems only the new ones are always cool. Now when you see Magnum PI's Ferrari it appears just so dated. Yet 40-45 year old Muscle Cars still have that badass appeal. I am sure some exotics age better.
But let's face it the Lamborghini Countach just looks silly after all these years. Like a kit car or something from Back to the Future.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Lamborghini_Countach%28rear-side%29.jpg/800px-Lamborghini_Countach%28rear-side%29.jpg)
Which would you rather drive? I know this car has been completely reworked but I am talking purely appearance wise it looks more badass to me than the Lambo.
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/10/creleanorfd_09_opt.jpg)
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Back to the future is better than back to the past so I'll take the Lambo.
Mustang looks like a horse and carriage.
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I'd agree quad... American muscle cars seem to have a timeless appearance... supercars do seem to look very old very fast.
(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/3761/4301/21902150153_large.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0aLtj9SA0xM/TE1EPR0yCYI/AAAAAAAAAO8/hFQEo69oEKg/s1600/67+camaro.jpg)
(http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=158119&d=1282830022)
(http://www.vsrnonline.com/photos/m_donohue/Camaro_15_1.jpg)
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There was a time when you could get an older Ferrari for under $20k, but now they are consider collector cars and the price has gone up big time.
A friend of mine bought a Ferrari and said it was a mistake. That the day he drove it off the lot that he'd never get his money back on it. That you can't drive it anywhere without fear of potholes, or parking it and getting dinged. He basically cruises on Sunday's and that's it and eventually stopped driving it altogether.
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All that being said, my favorite car of the last decade was the limited release of the Ford GT. That car is hot. The only shitty thing is that Ford decided to not put AC in it. I'd be sweating my balls off in it.
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;D Kind of like the HOT GIRLs in HIGH SCHOOL . They get harder looking and the average chicks become the MILFS . 8)
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Agree, when i saw RAIN MAN a few months back again , i was like man fucking Lambos look like old rice rocket shit
(http://www.bergoiata.org/fe/voiture-roadster-60-80/Lamborghini%20Countach%201.jpg)
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yes
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All that being said, my favorite car of the last decade was the limited release of the Ford GT. That car is hot. The only shitty thing is that Ford decided to not put AC in it. I'd be sweating my balls off in it.
Not a big fan of the mod motor either. But yeah, that was an awesome car.
Old and new,
the GT and the GT40
(http://www.classicdriver.com/upload/images/_uk/15061/1965_Ford_GT40_Roadster_08.jpg)
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;D Kind of like the HOT GIRLs in HIGH SCHOOL . They get hardeer looking and the average chicks become the MILFS . 8)
haha! Good analogy.
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it is funny how quickly ferraris look like shit after a few years. Either it's because they are evolving their car too fast and the new model year after year makes the previous look like shit or our taste just changes real fast.
I used to think the original the old Lexus 400 was the hottest car in the world, now they look like old Camry's
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Loved This Car!
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If there was any doubt left that Americans have no taste :D
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Thats not Monica Brant :-\
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Lamborghini_Countach%28rear-side%29.jpg/800px-Lamborghini_Countach%28rear-side%29.jpg)
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American cars are shit. I wouldn't drag Chaos down the street with one.
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(http://image.highperformancepontiac.com/f/12012330+w750+st0/hppp_0902_01_z+1967_pontiac_gto_tempest+racing.jpg)
(http://image.highperformancepontiac.com/f/27375904/hppp_1003_09_z+1967_pontiac_gto+traction_control.jpg)
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(http://www.dragtimes.com/images/7323-1968-Chevrolet-Chevelle.jpg)
(http://image.chevyhiperformance.com/f/10065888+w750+st0/chpp_0801_01_z+1970_chevy_chevelle_ss+side_view.jpg)
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I tend to think so to some degree...but I think some 80s and 90s models in both american and exotics look like shit come to think of it
I know Id be happy to buy a 50s, 60s, 70s American Muscle car over an exotic in that era
fuck magnum pi also
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it is funny how quickly ferraris look like shit after a few years. Either it's because they are evolving their car too fast and the new model year after year makes the previous look like shit or our taste just changes real fast.
I used to think the original the old Lexus 400 was the hottest car in the world, now they look like old Camry's
With the right rims, paint job and a drop...
(http://www.jt-culture.com/images/mk_charity_meet/lexus_index.jpg)
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me with American muscle car in Japan last month
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With the right rims, paint job and a drop...
(http://www.jt-culture.com/images/mk_charity_meet/lexus_index.jpg)
Not to mention a ridiculous body kit, and still looks old as shit.
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I think as far as American Muscle cars go, it's just that, the Muscle cars. Look back on a 74 Mustang and tell me that shit is cool. It isn't.
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I think as far as American Muscle cars go, it's just that, the Muscle cars. Look back on a 74 Mustang and tell me that shit is cool. It isn't.
Agree. from about 64-72 was pretty good. In the early 2000's they had some ok looking ones that had great drivetrains (Pontiac Trans Am and GTO, Chevy Camaro, Chevy Corvette), but thats about it.
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I think as far as American Muscle cars go, it's just that, the Muscle cars. Look back on a 74 Mustang and tell me that shit is cool. It isn't.
Not that bad if done right!
(http://www.mustang1.net/data/media/10/74_mustang_Photos.jpg)
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Not that bad if done right!
(http://www.mustang1.net/data/media/10/74_mustang_Photos.jpg)
Thats not a 74 bro. Thats a 70 I believe.
1974 Mustang Cobra -
(http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/ford/stangpics/74-78/77_CobraII_wht_1.jpg)
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Thats not a 74 bro. Thats a 70 I believe.
1974 Mustang Cobra -
(http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/ford/stangpics/74-78/77_CobraII_wht_1.jpg)
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lol, ok my bad.
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Was watching Christine a few nights ago and thought that Plymouth is actually badass! Even looked good with a tint which is usually reserved for modern cars.
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101228011804/villains/images/9/9c/Christine.jpg)
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Mopars (roadrunners,super-bees,challengers,"cudas",hemi's.440 six packs,camaro SS 396/427/1970 chevelle 454 LS7 ) never got into or liked fords....(not saying anybody is "right or wrong" just never liked em)
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(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x399/tnhrspwr/gnx.jpg)
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(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x399/tnhrspwr/gnx.jpg)
Ah, the Grand National. Never really got into those cars.
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Not American but cool!
1978 Datsun 280z
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8035/8068943037_e73ea921db_b.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8033/8068939110_976dba6d0b_o.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8174/8068938902_15a99c5d7e_o.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8180/8068943315_6295964f68_o.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8310/8068939174_a9ae58194e_o.jpg)
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(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x399/tnhrspwr/gnx.jpg)
FUCK YEAH! The Grand National. Thing was a beast. What were they thinking putting that motor in such a big blocky car, but people that didn't know would get smoked off the line.
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A few American cars i would love to own
Chevelle
(http://www.oldtownautomobile.com/files/Chevelle%20SS%201970%20Black_566_1.jpg)
1970 cutlass
(http://www.amcarguide.com/wp-content/gallery/cutlass-supreme/5-custom-1972-oldsmobile-cutlass-supreme.jpg)
1963 Impala
(http://www.hubcaps.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/1963impala.jpg)
JKF 1965 Continental
(http://l.images.boldride.com/lincoln/1965/lincoln-continental-convertible.2000x1331.Jun-07-2012_09.35.23.191514.jpg)
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A few American cars i would love to own
Chevelle
I've owned a couple different Chevelles, a 1970 Malibu and a 1968 Super Sport. I liked driving the Chevelles more than the Camaro's of the same generation, the Chevelle just fit me better.
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I like comfort and cupholders.
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x399/tnhrspwr/Lincoln-MK-7.jpg)
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I fail to see what is cool about this. Have they never heard of tyres with grip or traction control in Redneck-land ???
The Lambo in the OP would smoke the Mustang on every track.
Appearance over content I guess.
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I fail to see what is cool about this. Have they never heard of tyres with grip or traction control in Redneck-land ???
The Lambo in the OP would smoke the Mustang on every track.
Appearance over content I guess.
The problem with that Lambo is it looks like a car kit. The design is so damn dated.
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The problem with that Lambo is it looks like a car kit. The design is so damn dated.
I think the problem is the tyres and rims, which look like they belong to a regular road car and not a Lambo. Should have wider low profile tyres and more sporty rims. Change the hideous color to black and the total picture would be a lot different.
I've always wondered why you see so many Lambo's in retarded colors. Fluorescent green, yellow, orange, ... Obviously this doesn't help their looks.
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Speaking for myself its not that I don`t think that the ferraris and lamborghinis are not fine cars its just that they cost so much money to own it is just not going to happen for the average person.
Now a GN or a Mark VII or a nice Mustang and most people can afford those types of cars.
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Case in point:
(http://supercardigest.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/lamborghini-countach.jpg)
Looking a lot better already no? ;)
And a complete fail in ugly green with ugly tyres and rims again (happens so often with Lambo's, even the current models):
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Lamborghini_Countach_green_hl_TCE.jpg)
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Thats not a 74 bro. Thats a 70 I believe.
1974 Mustang Cobra -
(http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/ford/stangpics/74-78/77_CobraII_wht_1.jpg)
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69 i think, it has the quad headlight as opposed to the louvres.
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(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x399/tnhrspwr/gnx.jpg)
These always look badass, you just rarely see one in good condition unless they are at a car show.
My friend had a Buick T-Type in high school with a shit load of boost and it was a blast to cruise in. Nothing on the street could beat it to 100mph unless it was a bike.
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Fiat? Peugeot?
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These always look badass, you just rarely see one in good condition unless they are at a car show.
My friend had a Buick T-Type in high school with a shit load of boost and it was a blast to cruise in. Nothing on the street could beat it to 100mph unless it was a bike.
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Weren't they only sic cylinders? I could never get down on a V6, but those were fast cars, my buddies dad had one.
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Case in point:
(http://supercardigest.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/lamborghini-countach.jpg)
Looking a lot better already no? ;)
10 times better. Color, wheels / tires and drop make a huge difference.
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I fail to see what is cool about this. Have they never heard of tyres with grip or traction control in Redneck-land ???
The Lambo in the OP would smoke the Mustang on every track.
Appearance over content I guess.
Just reliving my youth i guess! (drag racing/"smokeshows" Van Halen and your best girl on a saturday night ruled) was a hell of a lot of fun!
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Weren't they only sic cylinders? I could never get down on a V6, but those were fast cars, my buddies dad had one.
Turbo V6.
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Weren't they only sic cylinders? I could never get down on a V6, but those were fast cars, my buddies dad had one.
Yes, but they could handle silly amounts of boost from the factory with an upgraded fuel pump and regulator.
They were ahead of their time and built to handle power.
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Just saw that pic of Jay's older Ferrari which made me think about how those cars age. To me it seems only the new ones are always cool. Now when you see Magnum PI's Ferrari it appears just so dated. Yet 40-45 year old Muscle Cars still have that badass appeal. I am sure some exotics age better.
But let's face it the Lamborghini Countach just looks silly after all these years. Like a kit car or something from Back to the Future.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Lamborghini_Countach%28rear-side%29.jpg/800px-Lamborghini_Countach%28rear-side%29.jpg)
Which would you rather drive? I know this car has been completely reworked but I am talking purely
appearance wise it looks more badass to me than the Lambo.
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/10/creleanorfd_09_opt.jpg)
those ferraris in the background of the first pic have aged well, and probably are worth more than the Countach. Pininfarina's best work seems to have been from the early 60s to early 70s. After that it was hit or miss. Bertone and other designers have more awkward designs, no flow, and they don't age well.
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those ferraris in the background of the first pic have aged well, and probably are worth more than the Countach. Pininfarina's best work seems to have been from the early 60s to early 70s. After that it was hit or miss. Bertone and other designers have more awkward designs, no flow, and they don't age well.
Really? Im really not a fan of the old Ferraris... they look like some stereotypical little sporty euro econobox to me. Don't stand out at all.
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Really? Im really not a fan of the old Ferraris... they look like some stereotypical little sporty euro econobox to me. Don't stand out at all.
They pretty much all had that bug eyed look, you know like American cars from the 50s all had the chrome and big front ends, then the tail fins.
But, the Ferrari 330 GTC and Steve McQueen's 275 GTB have a certain look to them. The fenders, the backside, and the wire wheels.
But, the front ends all have that stereotypical euro sports car front end. I guess it was the "in design" at the time, then they went to pop up head lights.
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I think as far as American Muscle cars go, it's just that, the Muscle cars. Look back on a 74 Mustang and tell me that shit is cool. It isn't.
74 was considered to be the end of muscle cars , rising gas prices and new emissions put a damper on big cubes and HP
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Really? Im really not a fan of the old Ferraris... they look like some stereotypical little sporty euro econobox to me. Don't stand out at all.
I think the old Ferrari's are among the best
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I think the old Ferrari's are among the best
Bottom one is cool, lots of similarities to the late 60's Stingray. Probably where Chevy got the influence.
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Turbo V6.
20th anniversary Trans Am had that motor in it too, wIth even more boost.
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Considered the last real muscle car
1974 Super Duty Trans Am , my sisters boyfriend had one took me for a hell ride for my 8th birthday
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There was a time when you could get an older Ferrari for under $20k, but now they are consider collector cars and the price has gone up big time.
A friend of mine bought a Ferrari and said it was a mistake. That the day he drove it off the lot that he'd never get his money back on it. That you can't drive it anywhere without fear of potholes, or parking it and getting dinged. He basically cruises on Sunday's and that's it and eventually stopped driving it altogether.
I have an old Road & Track magazine from 1973 ( I think ) and they were selling a 1963 Ferrari 250 in the classifieds with a race history for $20K , one sold for $12 MILLION !!!! recently
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Bottom one is cool, lots of similarities to the late 60's Stingray. Probably where Chevy got the influence.
Notice the similarities? A Chicken farmer was giving the Old Man with the Red cars fits with this car. So bad, that he petitioned to have the Fords ruled unacceptabled.
(http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200903/shelby-daytona-coupe-2_460x0w.jpg)
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Considered the last real muscle car
1974 Super Duty Trans Am , my sisters boyfriend had one took me for a hell ride for my 8th birthday
Poor motors were so crippled by the smog regulations by that point that they barely made any power.
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I notice alot of people who shit on exotics are the ones who have never even seen one in real life. to me Lamborghinis really have to be seen to be appreciated, its like they have an out of this world outrageous look to them and they cant be mistaken when you see one coming down the street, thats why the Countash was so acclaimed simply because it looked so wild. and It would be fcking hard for me to choose between a Diablo and a Hemi Cuda, I just dont think i could make a decision on that. dream of both.
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I notice alot of people who shit on exotics are the ones who have never even seen one in real life. to me Lamborghinis really have to be seen to be appreciated, its like they have an out of this world outrageous look to them and they cant be mistaken when you see one coming down the street, thats why the Countash was so acclaimed simply because it looked so wild. and It would be fcking hard for me to choose between a Diablo and a Hemi Cuda, I just dont think i could make a decision on that. dream of both.
Saw them all the time in Houston. Lambo's, Ferrari's, Aston's....
If I wanted a road course car, I'd take a ZR1 anyday over any of the exotics. Then again, Im not trying to be a huge attention grabber... I tend to favor subtlety in my vehicles.
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I notice alot of people who shit on exotics are the ones who have never even seen one in real life. to me Lamborghinis really have to be seen to be appreciated, its like they have an out of this world outrageous look to them and they cant be mistaken when you see one coming down the street, thats why the Countash was so acclaimed simply because it looked so wild. and It would be fcking hard for me to choose between a Diablo and a Hemi Cuda, I just dont think i could make a decision on that. dream of both.
No, his question is do they age well. Outlandish designs rarely age well.
Look at the E60 5 series, and the 7 series to a lesser degree, designed by Chris Bangle. They age terribly.
They look dated, and they are known for their "avant guard" designs---now they are known for their Bangle butt.
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No, his question is do they age well. Outlandish designs rarely age well.
Look at the E60 5 series, and the 7 series to a lesser degree, designed by Chris Bangle. They age terribly.
They look dated, and they are known for their "avant guard" designs---now they are known for their Bangle butt.
its really amazing how outlandish style seems to fail over time, and the more subtle modest designs are really not effected by age nearly as bad. but I dont believe the 5 series is as terrible as you say, it was just slightly deviated is all.
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(http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-def/DeTomaso-Pantera-Red-Front-Angle-st.jpg)
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Dodge Charger - Hemi engine - Richard Petty 200 wins no one else even close - I think nascar outlawed the Hemi cause it was so fast.
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the countach looks better than any american car posted in this thread, i hope this helps
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the countach looks better than any american car posted in this thread, i hope this helps
The Detomaso Pantera that Kuluutes posted is American, and still looks badass...saw one about a month ago in black, looked mean.
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Agree, when i saw RAIN MAN a few months back again , i was like man fucking Lambos look like old rice rocket shit
(http://www.bergoiata.org/fe/voiture-roadster-60-80/Lamborghini%20Countach%201.jpg)
Lambos never age..
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No, his question is do they age well. Outlandish designs rarely age well.
Look at the E60 5 series, and the 7 series to a lesser degree, designed by Chris Bangle. They age terribly.
They look dated, and they are known for their "avant guard" designs---now they are known for their Bangle butt.
Exactly. The Countach was just too wild looking and it looks dated. Less is more most of the time when it comes to design. As a kid I thought the Countach was the ultimate car. Now when I look at them they look unresolved and clunky.
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Design is tricky, especially when you try to be avant-garde. It's difficult to strike that perfect balance that makes a design timeless. While I like the Countach's design direction (and what it evolved into with the Gallardo and the Murciélago) it's unlikely to be timeless but it is iconic.
If you want timeless consider cars like the Lamborghini Miura or the Ferrari 250 GTO.
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The Detomaso Pantera that Kuluutes posted is American, and still looks badass...saw one about a month ago in black, looked mean.
American? You mean Italian with an American motor
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Agree, when i saw RAIN MAN a few months back again , i was like man fucking Lambos look like old rice rocket shit
(http://www.bergoiata.org/fe/voiture-roadster-60-80/Lamborghini%20Countach%201.jpg)
Lol I never really thought about it til just now but if I seen a car like that pull up I would be like "Wait a second... That doesn't look nearly as cool to me as it did when I was ten years old"
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Lamborghini Miura is a timeless supercar
One of the best looking cars ever
Ferrari 250 GT SWB is another
But I also love the 69 Charger & the Cuda
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I would love to drive a Plymouth Barracuda 1970 but im afraid they all will laugh at me over here in the netherlands.... :-\ People who drive american muscle cars are usualy old geezers or gypsys.... :o
(http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2007/10/26/14/45/1970_plymouth_barracuda-pic-38658.jpeg)
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They pretty much all had that bug eyed look, you know like American cars from the 50s all had the chrome and big front ends, then the tail fins.
But, the Ferrari 330 GTC and Steve McQueen's 275 GTB have a certain look to them. The fenders, the backside, and the wire wheels.
But, the front ends all have that stereotypical euro sports car front end. I guess it was the "in design" at the time, then they went to pop up head lights.
That guy Rick Harrison from Pawn Stars would probably jizz his pants and hand over the keys to his shop if you brought that car in; he's a HUGE Steve McQueen fan.
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That guy Rick Harrison from Pawn Stars would probably jizz his pants and hand over the keys to his shop if you brought that car in; he's a HUGE Steve McQueen fan.
His 1963 250 GT Lusso is one of the baddest old skool Ferrari's of all time
originally I think it was Brown, I think he son may have it now, or that it was sold at auction
(http://blogs-images.forbes.com/tamarawarren/files/2011/02/c12_0511_07z_1963_ferrari_250_gt_lusso_driver_side.jpg)
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American? You mean Italian with an American motor
Designed by an American, American powertrain, sold by Ford in America.
I know. I know....I'm really reaching here ;D
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Lamborghini_Countach.png/450px-Lamborghini_Countach.png)
awesome
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Lamborghini_Countach.png/450px-Lamborghini_Countach.png)
awesome
Meh.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Lamborghini_Countach.png/450px-Lamborghini_Countach.png)
awesome
this..
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there is a subculture / niche market for old american muscle cars all over the world. Even in the middle east.
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American Muscle Cars are timeless. Today's overpriced exotics have no soul, no personality.....all they say is "Look at me, look how riiiiiiiichhhh I am...and btw, I couldn't even change my own oil if my life depended on it. I gotta take it to a deeeeealeerrrrr to get it fixed." Folks that drive exotics remind of the lawyers and doctors that trailer their Harley up to Sturges.
A real muscle car fan has their own toolbox in the trunk because you never know, shit can break down at any time. Give me a Lambo or my '77 Vette, I'll take my Vette every damn time. Loud, no A/C, T-tops, and listening to some hair band metal while rowing the gears while blasting down US 27 just can't be beat.
To each their own, though. A car enthusiast is a car enthusiast. For fucks sake, there's even a Toyota Corolla car club.
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any us muscle car looks like absolute shit compared to a testarossa
69 camaro ss and 71 firebird are cool, though.some c3s looked awesome, but piss poor engines(80-82)
Thanks for another perfect example of a exotic that did not age well. I forgot about this turd that John Carmack had.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QAMqx2eAC9E/UDUT4lF48FI/AAAAAAAAAu4/o41RB51RSb4/s1600/1988_ferrari_testarossa-pic-36301.jpeg)
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it looks amazing.
also, keep in mind those american muscle cars didnt come stock with those wheels as posted in recent pics.
with stock wheels and tires, they looked like boats on sticks :-X
At the time it was considered an abortion and nothing like the original ' red head ' I liked it but love the original much more
And this in my opinion is much better looking
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Thanks for another perfect example of a exotic that did not age well. I forgot about this turd that John Carmack had.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QAMqx2eAC9E/UDUT4lF48FI/AAAAAAAAAu4/o41RB51RSb4/s1600/1988_ferrari_testarossa-pic-36301.jpeg)
To each their own. I think the Testarossa, at 32 years old, still looks good and performs great. I'd even go so far as to say that it has that certain je ne sais quoi that some cars have that make them timeless.
But sure, if you're trying to apply todays aesthetic to it, it may not be the most beautiful car on the road, but that's not a dig on the Testarossa; the simple fact is that aesthetics change.
At the time it was considered an abortion and nothing like the original ' red head ' I liked it but love the original much more
Who considered the Testarossa an abortion? Sure, the car became synonymous with yuppies but that doesn't take anything away from the car itself, which was almost universally acclaimed and praised.
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To each their own. I think the Testarossa, at 32 years old, still looks good and performs great. I'd even go so far as to say that it has that certain je ne sais quoi that some cars have that make them timeless.
But sure, if you're trying to apply todays aesthetic to it, it may not be the most beautiful car on the road, but that's not a dig on the Testarossa; the simple fact is that aesthetics change.
Who considered the Testarossa an abortion? Sure, the car became synonymous with yuppies but that doesn't take anything away from the car itself, which was almost universally acclaimed and praised.
Ferrari purists and a lot of the auto magazines. It was more to do with it being compared to the original Testarossa then it's contemporaries. It was a better driving car than the Countach which was it's main competition
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well, posting the testarossa in unfortunate angle, and the c2 vette in a professional perfect angle snapshot isnt balanced viewing ;D
I gets worse...
(http://www.ferrarilife.com/forums/attachments/trs-testarossa-f512m/825d1074148761-testarossa-not-starting-1006_1074148761.jpg)
I will give you a better one to be fair. There are very few examples of nice wheels on the testarossa. The stock wheels are hideous!
(http://www.ferrarituningmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Cargraphic_Ferrari512TR-1-550x256.jpg)
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I gets worse...
(http://www.ferrarilife.com/forums/attachments/trs-testarossa-f512m/825d1074148761-testarossa-not-starting-1006_1074148761.jpg)
I will give you a better one to be fair. There are very few examples of nice wheels on the testarossa. The stock wheels are hideous!
Except those aren't the stock wheels... they stock ones weren't painted Tweety-bird yellow. And what's your point? That any car can be made to look like shit if the owner smears shit all over it? Isn't that a given?
(http://www.ferrarituningmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Cargraphic_Ferrari512TR-1-550x256.jpg)
Blech...
Ferrari purists and a lot of the auto magazines. It was more to do with it being compared to the original Testarossa then it's contemporaries. It was a better driving car than the Countach which was it's main competition
I obviously didn't read every magazine, but at least from the ones I've read the car was widely acclaimed, both for its performance and the crispness of its handling. Also, when you say "original Testarossa" what do you mean? The 250TR? Anyone comparing the Testarossa with the 250TR is a buffoon: the 250TR was a bona fide race car. The Testarossa was not.
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Except those aren't the stock wheels... they stock ones weren't painted Tweety-bird yellow. And what's your point? That any car can be made to look like shit if the owner smears shit all over it? Isn't that a given?
Blech...
I obviously didn't read every magazine, but at least from the ones I've read the car was widely acclaimed, both for its performance and the crispness of its handling. Also, when you say "original Testarossa" what do you mean? The 250TR? Anyone comparing the Testarossa with the 250TR is a buffoon: the 250TR was a bona fide race car. The Testarossa was not.
I didn't say those (yellow ones) were stock wheels. Just that I could find even worse examples of the testarosa. The point is the stock wheels were / are hideous!
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An American Muscle car makes the exotics look like kit cars. Put an old muscle car in a lot with the same year exotic and no one will give a damn about the exotic.
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An American Muscle car makes the exotics look like kit cars. Put an old muscle car in a lot with the same year exotic and no one will give a damn about the exotic.
That would depends on who is doing the looking, and which muscle car and which exotic are on the lot.
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That would depends on who is doing the looking, and which muscle car and which exotic are on the lot.
Pick a year like 1969. Put a Mustang, Charger, or Camaro in a lot with any Italian sports car.
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My friend is a mechanic, and he worked on a Toyota MR-2 converted to look like a Ferrari Testerossa via custom body kit.
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Don't laugh but have you seen Toyota's new 2 plus 2 Scion? It looks like a Lotus. It's powered by a 200HP boxer motor. It just came out this year I believe. I did a double take in the show room. Really a cool looking little sports car. Must fly with it's power to weight ratio.
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Just saw that pic of Jay's older Ferrari which made me think about how those cars age. To me it seems only the new ones are always cool. Now when you see Magnum PI's Ferrari it appears just so dated. Yet 40-45 year old Muscle Cars still have that badass appeal. I am sure some exotics age better.
But let's face it the Lamborghini Countach just looks silly after all these years. Like a kit car or something from Back to the Future.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Lamborghini_Countach%28rear-side%29.jpg/800px-Lamborghini_Countach%28rear-side%29.jpg)
Which would you rather drive? I know this car has been completely reworked but I am talking purely appearance wise it looks more badass to me than the Lambo.
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/10/creleanorfd_09_opt.jpg)
I think it looks wierd and kit carish because of the thin wheels. it had much wider wheels than that!
(http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200702/1973-lamborghini-countach-21_1280x0w.jpg)
edit: okay my bad the lp400 had the thin wheels. models after had wide fenders and wider wheels.
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Thanks for another perfect example of a exotic that did not age well. I forgot about this turd that John Carmack had.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QAMqx2eAC9E/UDUT4lF48FI/AAAAAAAAAu4/o41RB51RSb4/s1600/1988_ferrari_testarossa-pic-36301.jpeg)
X2
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Beyond bad...
(http://deltorofilms.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/THE-CAR.png)
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American Muscle Cars are timeless. Today's overpriced exotics have no soul, no personality.....all they say is "Look at me, look how riiiiiiiichhhh I am...and btw, I couldn't even change my own oil if my life depended on it. I gotta take it to a deeeeealeerrrrr to get it fixed." Folks that drive exotics remind of the lawyers and doctors that trailer their Harley up to Sturges.
A real muscle car fan has their own toolbox in the trunk because you never know, shit can break down at any time. Give me a Lambo or my '77 Vette, I'll take my Vette every damn time. Loud, no A/C, T-tops, and listening to some hair band metal while rowing the gears while blasting down US 27 just can't be beat.
To each their own, though. A car enthusiast is a car enthusiast. For fucks sake, there's even a Toyota Corolla car club.
not necessarily true, some of the older exotics are almost just as brute and rough as some of the older muscle cars in ways, and are just as unreliable lol.
I had the opportunity to ride in a twin turbo Diablo once as well as a Countach, and both were loud, rough, scary and even smelled like musty interior and burned fuel, like that sort of experience should be. i would personally pick a Lamborghini merely for the mystique they have, and not purely based on image.
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Pick a year like 1969. Put a Mustang, Charger, or Camaro in a lot with any Italian sports car.
And where is this lot? I don't expect many people in rural Georgia to know that there's anything other than rural Georgia, much less about exotic cars.
But I'd take the challenge anyways - put a stock '69 Mustang against a stock Ferrari 250GTO and the Mustang is unlikely to get a first, let alone a second look. But looks are ultimately subjective.
If you want to look beyond just looks there's simply no comparison.
Take the Lamborhini Miura, for example. In '69 it came with disk brakes all around; the Mustang didn't. In 1969 it came with a V12 engine 4L engine that put out 350 horsepower; the Mustang topped out with a 7L V8 that put 335 horsepower; the Miura had double wishbone independent suspension all around; the Mustang had leaf springs and a solid rear axle sourced from the Fairlane; the Miura had a 5-speed manual; the Mustang a 3-speed automatic (or a 4-speed manual). The Miura did 0-60 in under 7 seconds and hit 170mph; the Boss Mustang took 7 seconds to get to 60 but topped out at less than 120mph.
That's not to take away anything from American muscle cars - they were in a category all their own and definitely more affordable than an Italian exotic. But it's largely idiotic to assert that they were the best thing on the road, or that an exotic won't merit a second look where a muscle car will.
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some seriously awesome cars in this thread
ive always been partial to the stingray myself
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/170/426434604_2190574900.jpg)
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some seriously awesome cars in this thread
ive always been partial to the stingray myself
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/170/426434604_2190574900.jpg)
Badass!
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this pos actually looks dumb,lol
america has produced the shittest cars in history.
see amc gremlin, or all oldsmobiles.
No, worse car by far bar none right here!
(http://www.nickloper.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/pontiac-aztek.jpg)
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some seriously awesome cars in this thread
ive always been partial to the stingray myself
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/170/426434604_2190574900.jpg)
Awesome car!!!!
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some seriously awesome cars in this thread
ive always been partial to the stingray myself
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/170/426434604_2190574900.jpg)
man, if I were walking towards that thing with keys in hand, i'd be one happy muther fucker. sweet ride.
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Was watching Christine a few nights ago and thought that Plymouth is actually badass! Even looked good with a tint which is usually reserved for modern cars.
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101228011804/villains/images/9/9c/Christine.jpg)
I had a 1960 Plymouth Fury 413 VERY RARE Mule car, just like the one in this picture a few years ago!
I sold it to a Petty relative.
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this pos actually looks dumb,lol
america has produced the shittest cars in history.
see amc gremlin, or all oldsmobiles.
I guess you never saw that movie, huh?... oh well.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/1968-Alfa-Romeo-33-Stradale.jpg)
(http://image.superchevy.com/f/26577689+w750+st0/sucp_1002_02+1972_chevy_camaro_z28+side_view.jpg)
I like both muscle cars and "exotics". I don't really put them in the same category though.
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Pro Touring all the way. You get the timeless look of a classic muscle car with the addition of modern high performance engines, brakes, tires, suspensions, etc. A modified 700hp L7 motor idling in a '69 Camaro sounds way more badass than any Italian import. Maybe with the exception of a Ford V8 Pantera..
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/DSC_0176.jpg)
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One of my all time favs...
(http://www.corvetteblogger.com/images/content/101608_3.jpg)
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(http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=52637&d=1324014061)
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Pro Touring all the way. You get the timeless look of a classic muscle car with the addition of modern high performance engines, brakes, tires, suspensions, etc. A modified 700hp L7 motor idling in a '69 Camaro sounds way more badass than any Italian import. Maybe with the exception of a Ford V8 Pantera..
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/DSC_0176.jpg)
With those wide 888's that Camaro won't lack grip..
Looks a lot like the Red Devil..
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this pos actually looks dumb,lol
america has produced the shittest cars in history.
see amc gremlin, or all oldsmobiles.
Olds had some good cars, like the 57 Olds Rocket 88 with the 3 dueces, or the 4-4-2.
Also, look at the quad 4 race car.
Look at the Impala SS', especially the coupes, along with other cars, especially the 50s Continental II, which cost more than a Rolls Royce.
What many fail to realize was that America's car heyday started fading out by the late 60s-early 70s, the Euros started getting stronger by early to mid 60s, and the Japanese stated getting stronger by late 70s early 80s.
So, it is unfair to say that America makes the shittiest cars, when in fact they were instrumental (the hotrod movement among other things) in helping the Euros and the Japanese.
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American Muscle Trumps All
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Pro Touring all the way. You get the timeless look of a classic muscle car with the addition of modern high performance engines, brakes, tires, suspensions, etc. A modified 700hp L7 motor idling in a '69 Camaro sounds way more badass than any Italian import. Maybe with the exception of a Ford V8 Pantera..
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/DSC_0176.jpg)
Awesome!
(http://www.streetlegaltv.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/10/files/2010/12/callahan1.jpg)
(http://image.camaroperformers.com/f/25451956/camp_0910_15+pro_touring_1969_camaro+taillights.jpg)
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I love muscle cars but unless they were recently rebuild they all stink like oil and gasoline.
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I love muscle cars but unless they were recently rebuild they all stink like oil and gasoline.
I actually like that, in new cars you're in a sterilized environment, with older cars you know you're driving something that runs on gasoline.
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(http://www.fougere.com/pantera/images/dsc_0131-600w.jpg)
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/1968-Alfa-Romeo-33-Stradale.jpg)
Damn... the Alfa looks so amazing from this angle. So glad it's back to doing cars like that instead of the crap that came out of the anusfactory in the 80's and 90's.
I like both muscle cars and "exotics". I don't really put them in the same category though.
QFT.
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American Muscle Trumps All
Depends on what "trumps" and "all" means in this context.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/1968-Alfa-Romeo-33-Stradale.jpg)
(http://image.superchevy.com/f/26577689+w750+st0/sucp_1002_02+1972_chevy_camaro_z28+side_view.jpg)
I like both muscle cars and "exotics". I don't really put them in the same category though.
damn that alfa romeo looks pretty far ahead of its time in terms of design
and it's from 68!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/1968-Alfa-Romeo-33-Stradale-Rear-Red-st.jpg)
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The Alfa 33 Stradale is easily one of the most, if not the most, beautiful cars ever. The Ferrari P330 is also beautiful:
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3041/ferrari330p32.jpg)
I really like the flying buttress rear pillars of the 1970 Dodge Charger, probably my favorite muscle car.
(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/710/img00075.jpg)
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any us muscle car looks like absolute shit compared to a testarossa
This.
My 4 cents:
1) - almost all American muscle looks like shit, except for Vettes. Vettes of all generations are great except for the c4, which was a dog both in looks and performance. c5's are my fave, and I'm looking forward to the 2014 c7.
2) - The OP posted a first generation Countach, which was a far cry from how they looked later in the production. The later incarnations of it age quite well and the Countach remains one of the most slick lookin' pieces of machinery ever built and turns heads on the road to this day.
3) - The Testarossa is my all-time favorite car and is my dream to one day own. Problem is, the maintenance is horrible on them and runs around $5,000-$10,000/yr to properly upkeep. So, even if you save enough pennies to buy one, you have to make sure you have the coin to throw into that perpetual money pit.
4) - Other Ferrari's such as the 308, 328, 355, 348, etc... are easier to upkeep and look almost as good, and are vehicles I'd much rather drive than non-Vette American muscle.
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i drive a 1968 charger,,,,i get more looks in scottsdale,,than folks with 200k cars,,,,
gh15 approved
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I love muscle cars but unless they were recently rebuild they all stink like oil and gasoline.
love those smells. especially when your fearing for your life at 140mph
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I would rock this lambo than any old muscle car... you guys are posting the original countach prototypes looking like ass or ones that are just ass but showing completely restored/modded muscle cars and saying its a fair comparison:
(http://supercardigest.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/lamborghini-countach.jpg)
Any day this.. I've seen one in real life and man is it low to the ground compared to well anything...
In other news:
(http://www.kilgoretrans.com/gfx/1991_mustang_4.0_eugene.jpg)
(http://www.svs.com/zim/mustang/images/69-pink.jpg)
haters gonna hate:
(http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2008/06/03/21/19/1985_lamborghini_countach-pic-60812.jpeg)
hmmm
(http://image.hotrod.com/f/thehistoryof/16936246+w794/hrdp_0812_03_z+mach_1_mustangs+old_interior.jpg)
(http://www.classicscars.com/lamborghini/countach/LAMBO%202.jpg)
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V12 love
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Pro Touring all the way. You get the timeless look of a classic muscle car with the addition of modern high performance engines, brakes, tires, suspensions, etc. A modified 700hp L7 motor idling in a '69 Camaro sounds way more badass than any Italian import. Maybe with the exception of a Ford V8 Pantera..
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/DSC_0176.jpg)
Ya I love that, it's what I'd do with a muscle car if I had one, but that's not stock. In fact it's runing wide R comps and I bet it had modern double a arm suspension done all around, modern brakes, modern shocks, etc... not a fair comparison :)
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you gotta admit..
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comparison of muscle and exotics is questionable when you are rating them in looks thrill and exhilaration. to me its not about money its about the feeling the car gives you when you see it and experience it.
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comparison of muscle and exotics is questionable when you are rating them in looks thrill and exhilaration. to me its not about money its about the feeling the car gives you when you see it and experience it.
I guess now that I think about it you can do so much more with American Muscle looks and performance wise.
Some exotics remind me of a kid's toy car. Perhaps over designed? Especially the Countach. I am not a fan of the Diablo / Galardo either. The Ferraris are a little better imo.
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http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=82455
First Look At Leadfoot On TRANSFORMERS 4 Set
The Wreckers are back! Well, at least Leadfoot is most certainly back. As the Nascar-styled Autobot was spotted on the Pontiac, Michigan set of Transformers 4, along with the new version of Bumblebee.
Bumblebee!
(http://distilleryimage4.s3.amazonaws.com/8f007048e0ed11e2895f22000a9e4895_7.jpg)
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Everyone who's driven a countach says it drives like ass.
I have sat in one and I couldn't see anything out of the rear windows and the blind spots were horrendous.
Would not want to drive it seriously. It's cool to sit in though.
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Everyone who's driven a countach says it drives like ass.
I have sat in one and I couldn't see anything out of the rear windows and the blind spots were horrendous.
Would not want to drive it seriously. It's cool to sit in though.
I've driven my friends Murc a few times..not the kind of car you jump in and go hog-wild. I felt claustroohobic, couldn't see shit and was worried i was going to fuck up his 150,000 dollar car.There is a learning curve with those cars. I could hop into a 69 camaro and be going down the street sideways wIth the back tIres lit up, and be perfectly confident.
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I've driven my friends Murc a few times..not the kind of car you jump in and go hog-wild. I felt claustroohobic, couldn't see shit and was worried i was going to fuck up his 150,000 dollar car.There is a learning curve with those cars. I could hop into a 69 camaro and be going down the street sideways wIth the back tIres lit up, and be perfectly confident.
I could see this.
I had no problems tearing up my Uncle's vette ZR-1 or his Viper either... Don't know why, but as unruly as the Viper was, without any ABS or traction control, it just felt right.
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Yes, American muscle cars age very well in general. IMO especially Eyetalian cars do not age well. But a classic Mercedes, BMW or UK sports car*,** looks great forever.
* disclaimer: not the Lotus Esprit. Although still slightly better than the Countach.
** As soon as I move to a house with a garage I'm getting a Morgan +8. :)
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZfExz39aujA/TiPlNUIlxcI/AAAAAAAAAsw/qwxDfQ9taB0/s400/1968+Pontiac+Firebird+Coupe-350.jpg)
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I really like the flying buttress rear pillars of the 1970 Dodge Charger, probably my favorite muscle car.
(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/710/img00075.jpg)
Later copied (and copied well, IMO) by the Jaguar XJS.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/1989.jaguar.xj-s.arp.jpg/800px-1989.jaguar.xj-s.arp.jpg)
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And where is this lot? I don't expect many people in rural Georgia to know that there's anything other than rural Georgia, much less about exotic cars.
But I'd take the challenge anyways - put a stock '69 Mustang against a stock Ferrari 250GTO and the Mustang is unlikely to get a first, let alone a second look. But looks are ultimately subjective.
If you want to look beyond just looks there's simply no comparison.
Take the Lamborhini Miura, for example. In '69 it came with disk brakes all around; the Mustang didn't. In 1969 it came with a V12 engine 4L engine that put out 350 horsepower; the Mustang topped out with a 7L V8 that put 335 horsepower; the Miura had double wishbone independent suspension all around; the Mustang had leaf springs and a solid rear axle sourced from the Fairlane; the Miura had a 5-speed manual; the Mustang a 3-speed automatic (or a 4-speed manual). The Miura did 0-60 in under 7 seconds and hit 170mph; the Boss Mustang took 7 seconds to get to 60 but topped out at less than 120mph.
That's not to take away anything from American muscle cars - they were in a category all their own and definitely more affordable than an Italian exotic. But it's largely idiotic to assert that they were the best thing on the road, or that an exotic won't merit a second look where a muscle car will.
Where is the lot? I was making a point that the classic American Muscle cars draw more attention than the kit cars of Italy with their race motors. I guess that was above your comprehension. No, I'm not from rural Georgia. I spent my first 27 years one mile away from NYC. They have a lot of classic car shows in Jersey and that's just what I see. The American Muscle cars are surrounded by people and the old Italian cars barely get any traffic. To defend people from rural Georgia I bet they can work on their own cars unlike Ferrari fans.
Your assertion that the base motor in these cars can't compare to a car that cost in some circumstances 10 plus times more in performance is idiotic. The American classics were cheap for the masses and were always worked on. Try to find a stock 69 muscle car anywhere that hasn't had work. I would like to see your beloved cars out preform many of these cars in a quarter mile. A 69 Mustang with a 429 or a 69 Camaro with a 454 with hot cams and big carbs would dust the costly Italian jobs on the strip and look better standing still.
American classic muscle cars are for men and most old exotics are for faggy douche bag pretenders. How's that for a non sequitur?
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All New Transformers Movies Must Have an Evil Mustang, and Here’s the Latest
(http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/TransformersMustang.jpg)
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Game Over!
http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/ford-gt-beats-ferrari-again-at-le-mans-america-rules-1782242093
Ford GT Beats Ferrari Again At Le Mans, America Rules
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