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Title: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 20, 2012, 04:58:20 AM
I believe in the Bible and I believe every verse to be inspired by God. I respect everyone's belief and I have a good time debating. I know Griffeth, avxo, and Necrosis are all good people and I am almost certain they all would buy me a drink if we ever met in person  8)

Now to my point; every time I debate a Muslim seems like I have to walk on eggshells. It is OK for them to have free speech and say things that we Christians consider a complete mockery of the Bible, it is OK for them to spam the boards with their doctrines and it is OK for them to say the we are being deceived in an evil way. Say 1 little thing about the Koran or Muhammad and you are now an Islamophobe, a hater, an evil person full of hatred and you might even get physically attacked.

I posted a quote from the Bible, here it is below...........

"he shall be a wild ass of a man: his hand shall be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the face of all his brethren."

and I got accused of hating Arabs for posting a verse from the Bible, my faith, what the heck is going on here?

Ekul posted a video and I watched it, some dude risked his life for a cause and he said he did it for to save lives on both sides, I made one simple reply, "the guy is a hero" then I got accused of injecting Muslim hatred. WOW

SO HERE IS MY ADVISE TO THE MUSLIMS, IF YOU CAN NOT TAKE IT, DO NOT DISH IT.

BTW non of this applies to bigbobs because he never let's his emotions get in the way of his debate and he holds his ground with integrity.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 20, 2012, 05:24:08 AM
I believe in the Bible and I believe every verse to be inspired by God. I respect everyone's belief and I have a good time debating. I know Griffeth, avxo, and Necrosis are all good people and I am almost certain they all would buy me a drink if we ever met in person  8)

Now to my point; every time I debate a Muslim seems like I have to walk on eggshells. It is OK for them to have free speech and say things that we Christians consider a complete mockery of the Bible, it is OK for them to spam the boards with their doctrines and it is OK for them to say the we are being deceived in an evil way. Say 1 little thing about the Koran or Muhammad and you are now an Islamophobe, a hater, an evil person full of hatred and you might even get physically attacked.

I posted a quote from the Bible, here it is below...........

"he shall be a wild ass of a man: his hand shall be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the face of all his brethren."

and I got accused of hating Arabs for posting a verse from the Bible, my faith, what the heck is going on here?

Ekul posted a video and I watched it, some dude risked his life for a cause and he said he did it for to save lives on both sides, I made one simple reply, "the guy is a hero" then I got accused of injecting Muslim hatred. WOW

SO HERE IS MY ADVISE TO THE MUSLIMS, IF YOU CAN NOT TAKE IT, DO NOT DISH IT.

BTW non of this applies to bigbobs because he never let's his emotions get in the way of his debate and he holds his ground with integrity.

First of all OnetimeHard, Let's clear up 2 things.

First: I am not a muslim

Second: Look at the context in which E-Kul posted that video, as well as the thread.
He is spamming that video into every thread regardless of the topic. So yes, I can only surmise his intent is to inject hatred, and anti-islam sentiments.

There is something else that I've noticed on these boards as well, a definite lack of respect for the faiths of others. If you don't agree with someone's religion, why the pathetic need to mock it or persecute them? I see this taking place most often amongs the Atheists and the so called Christians. Why?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 20, 2012, 05:35:10 AM
You are blind. Show me once, just once where a Christian has mocked and persecuted others, stop lying, no Christian on this board has done what you accused them of here and you think I care if you are Muslim or not, sorry but I do not. You accused me of injecting Muslim hatred over something so stupid.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 20, 2012, 06:39:45 AM
You are blind. Show me once, just once where a Christian has mocked and persecuted others, stop lying, no Christian on this board has done what you accused them of here and you think I care if you are Muslim or not, sorry but I do not. You accused me of injecting Muslim hatred over something so stupid.

I'm not going to go digging through archives to find the rubbish, but I can assure you it does exist. I myself have been on the receiving end of it. If you want to go searching for it, knock yourself out. I accused E-Kul of injecting anti-muslim sentiment into a thread about gold, and you of complicit support.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 20, 2012, 06:48:46 AM
I'm not going to go digging through archives to find the rubbish, but I can assure you it does exist. I myself have been on the receiving end of it. If you want to go searching for it, knock yourself out. I accused E-Kul of injecting anti-muslim sentiment into a thread about gold, and you of complicit support.
You are lying plain and simple, you may have gotten some insults from an atheist but not a Christian.

and you of complicit support.----- You have issues, I enjoyed the video he post and I commented on it, get over yourself, I was not thinking of you when I made this comment Ms. "everyone is out to get me" like I said "insecurities"

everything is a big conspiracy against Muslims  ::)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 20, 2012, 06:52:54 AM
There is something else that I've noticed on these boards as well, a definite lack of respect for the faiths of others.

Why should anyone have to respect others' faith? Especially when said faith is based on baloney?


If you don't agree with someone's religion, why the pathetic need to mock it or persecute them?

Persecution is a slightly harsh word for what takes place here. This is a forum, a place where discussions take place. People choose to participate and talk about a wide range of topics, including religion. Sometimes, in the course of those discussions people are called out for laughable, absurd or flat-out stupid claims; as a result, often times they're mocked. That's hardly "persecution."


I see this taking place most often amongs the Atheists and the so called Christians. Why?

Again, we debate certain topics, and people offer their opinions and positions. Those who don't hold those same opinions or share those positions argue against them. Why shouldn't we discuss such topics? Because you find the debate distasteful?


I'm not going to go digging through archives to find the rubbish, but I can assure you it does exist.

Oh, well... if you assure us that it exists! ::)


I myself have been on the receiving end of it.

You've been on the receiving end of mockings because you spam the board, incessantly posting copy-pasted content and advertising bullshit.

You've been on the receiving end of mockings because you make ridiculous statements like "gold that's 999.9% pure".

You've been on the receiving end of mockings because you talk as if you are an expert on topics where you clearly aren't one.

So if you're mocked, the bottom line is that you have nobody to blame but yourself.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 20, 2012, 07:11:42 AM
a little bit of mockery is expected. Avxo mocks me once in a while and I am not insulted at all cause he also gives me a fair chance at answering his questions and then he laughs some more :P , so I will take the hits if it allows someone to listen. You are on the forum you can not expect anything less. Besides when I make a statement like "Noah's ark was real" I am forfeiting the right to a passive debate. I have issued a challenge and I will be challenged in return. If I issue a challenge to a Muslim I am all of a sudden injecting Muslim hatred and I am the bad guy


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 20, 2012, 07:17:49 AM
a little bit of mockery is expected. Avxo mocks me once in a while and I am not insulted at all cause he also gives me a fair chance at answering his questions and then he laughs some more :P , so I will take the hits if it allows someone to listen. You are on the forum you can not expect anything less. Besides when I make a statement like "Noah's ark was real" I am forfeiting the right to a passive debate. I have issued a challenge and I will be challenged in return. If I issue a challenge to a Muslim I am all of a sudden injecting Muslim hatred and I am the bad guy

:)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Man of Steel on October 20, 2012, 10:54:22 AM
From what I've experienced in speaking with muslims on Getbig there is a simple "do as I say, not as I do" approach to discussion.  


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pulling weight on October 20, 2012, 10:07:58 PM
Democracy and free thinking don't exist in Islam. They see it as weakness. They are the enemy


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on October 21, 2012, 02:10:55 AM
Muslims are so used to standing over women and associating with like minded men, the only way they know how to respond to Men of different cultures and beliefs is to treat them the way they treat their women, by trying to subordinate, control and dominate them.  Muslims have a lot to learn about Western Men, this attitude won't fly, and they are heading for a downfall.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 01:37:30 PM
lol at learn from western men.

I guess, getting drunk at bars and clubs, picking up chicks for one night stands and never call back is something you would want us to learn about. "Treating women right".

One just needs to take a peek at the gossip/general section or the 'relationship' section to see what kind of 'advice' you would be giving.

From "she's a hoe, I'd hit it", to "wife swapping", to "booty thread", to insert random derogatory term about women it's all over.

It's funny listening to you guys ranting. It's you who are in fact insecure.

You are whining, man of steel, I am dissapointed in you, you have no debating skills and anything shown to you out of the bible you turn a blind eye to, only arrogantly continuing to worship a Jewish man, a prophet of God, instead of God.

Remember you are the one that posted ridiculing photos misrepresenting Muhammad (pbuh). Who are you to talk about ridicule? We do not ridicule, we just debate you using scripture.

Onetimehard, you are the one that keeps insisting we are following satan and a few of you clowns kept repeating we are 'moon worshippers'.

Come on now.. who's insecure, ignorant and persevering in arrogance?

With all due respect, whether you care or don't care, I was debating you on the basis that I was a Christian, and I am well versed in the bible. What am I insisting on? Only to worship God, not the creation, but the creator. You find this insulting?

On the other hand what have some of you done? At best, quoted out of context quran verses, with only a purpose to hatemonger.

Onetimehard, you create a thread trying to prove... nothing, by quoting verses in jewish scripture calling Arabs 'wild asses', then contradicting yourself by posting from Jewish scripture that they were blessed, that GOd sent an angel to them, that God told them they would be a great nation, etc...

You are trying to prove 'something' while 'not hating arabs or muslims', but then trying to promote worship of a man, when that in itself is blasphemy and goes against the OT. You are a bunch of confused fellas, so when you can't debate no more you hold hands together and accuse muslims of being 'insecure' for pointing out what you are doing as wrong.

At best what has anyone done on here is ridicule of Islam and Muslims. When we demonstrate what Islam says, you accuse us of lying even and repeat like little children tv propaganda.

lol@ learn from western men.

Get one point straight though, village idiots from india, pakistan, africa, certain arab countries, do not necessarily represent Islam.

Whether its honor killings or acid throwing or rapes, etc... these are things that under an islamic caliphate would be punished. It's not islam. Period. You are just clinging on desperation tactics to demonize Islam.

Yes certain idiots devoid of any knowledge of islam abuse women too, but what does it have to do with Islam? Nothing. You are hate mongering and spreading lies for your own benefit? You are not even benefitting only making yourself look like fools.

Reality check? White university women are the ones majority wise converting to Islam. If it were true what you say, women would be running away while in fact they are the ones running towards Islam.

You are all beating a dead horse in desperation.

Look at yourself e-kul. You have a sliding text calling our beloved prophet Muhammad gay. You have no respect or manners, you have admitted to never reading the qur'an, and yet you keep copy pasting idiot websites. There is no debate with you, as you are filled with anger and pride over what? You are only begetting ignorance upon ignorance with your hatred.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Man of Steel on October 21, 2012, 01:52:10 PM
lol at learn from western men.

I guess, getting drunk at bars and clubs, picking up chicks for one night stands and never call back is something you would want us to learn about. "Treating women right".

One just needs to take a peek at the gossip/general section or the 'relationship' section to see what kind of 'advice' you would be giving.

From "she's a hoe, I'd hit it", to "wife swapping", to "booty thread", to insert random derogatory term about women it's all over.

It's funny listening to you guys ranting. It's you who are in fact insecure.

You are whining, man of steel, I am dissapointed in you, you have no debating skills and anything shown to you out of the bible you turn a blind eye to, only arrogantly continuing to worship a Jewish man, a prophet of God, instead of God.

Remember you are the one that posted ridiculing photos misrepresenting Muhammad (pbuh). Who are you to talk about ridicule? We do not ridicule, we just debate you using scripture.

Onetimehard, you are the one that keeps insisting we are following satan and a few of you clowns kept repeating we are 'moon worshippers'.

Come on now.. who's insecure, ignorant and persevering in arrogance?

With all due respect, whether you care or don't care, I was debating you on the basis that I was a Christian, and I am well versed in the bible. What am I insisting on? Only to worship God, not the creation, but the creator. You find this insulting?

On the other hand what have some of you done? At best, quoted out of context quran verses, with only a purpose to hatemonger.

Onetimehard, you create a thread trying to prove... nothing, by quoting verses in jewish scripture calling Arabs 'wild asses', then contradicting yourself by posting from Jewish scripture that they were blessed, that GOd sent an angel to them, that God told them they would be a great nation, etc...

You are trying to prove 'something' while 'not hating arabs or muslims', but then trying to promote worship of a man, when that in itself is blasphemy and goes against the OT. You are a bunch of confused fellas, so when you can't debate no more you hold hands together and accuse muslims of being 'insecure' for pointing out what you are doing as wrong.

At best what has anyone done on here is ridicule of Islam and Muslims. When we demonstrate what Islam says, you accuse us of lying even and repeat like little children tv propaganda.

lol@ learn from western men.

Get one point straight though, village idiots from india, pakistan, africa, certain arab countries, do not necessarily represent Islam.

Whether its honor killings or acid throwing or rapes, etc... these are things that under an islamic caliphate would be punished. It's not islam. Period. You are just clinging on desperation tactics to demonize Islam.

Yes certain idiots devoid of any knowledge of islam abuse women too, but what does it have to do with Islam? Nothing. You are hate mongering and spreading lies for your own benefit? You are not even benefitting only making yourself look like fools.

Reality check? White university women are the ones majority wise converting to Islam. If it were true what you say, women would be running away while in fact they are the ones running towards Islam.

You are all beating a dead horse in desperation.

Look at yourself e-kul. You have a sliding text calling our beloved prophet Muhammad gay. You have no respect or manners, you have admitted to never reading the qur'an, and yet you keep copy pasting idiot websites. There is no debate with you, as you are filled with anger and pride over what? You are only begetting ignorance upon ignorance with your hatred.

No, I'm not a great debater, but I believe I've answered everything you've asked of me.  If I've missed something post it again and as always I'll be glad to oblige as I'm able to.    Maybe someday we can speak to one another in person....that should instantly dissolve the addition of potshots.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 02:10:05 PM
Well then mr secure, you've accused muslims of 'insulting you' by posting verses from the bible and qur'an and yet you find no problem posting derogatory images misrepresenting Muhammad (pbuh).

Here's one reminder that 'insults you':

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Matthew 24:36

Jesus was a Jewish man born to a Jewish women, sent to the children of Israel to correct them where they erred. You worship Jesus and claim he is God, yet he does not know the day of judgment as none of the angels or prophet know.

Same as Muhammad (pbuh) and Gabriel discussing this and God mentionioning this in the qur'an. Exactly the same way Jesus said it.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Man of Steel on October 21, 2012, 02:18:00 PM
Well then mr secure, you've accused muslims of 'insulting you' by posting verses from the bible and qur'an and yet you find no problem posting derogatory images misrepresenting Muhammad (pbuh).

Here's one reminder that 'insults you':

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Matthew 24:36

Jesus was a Jewish man born to a Jewish women, sent to the children of Israel to correct them where they erred. You worship Jesus and claim he is God, yet he does not know the day of judgment as none of the angels or prophet know.

Same as Muhammad (pbuh) and Gabrielle discussing this and God mentionioning this in the qur'an. Exactly the same way Jesus said it.
No, I'm not offended or insulted by verses you post from the bible or the quaran, I've been insulted by your potshots and insults.  bigbobs hasn't insulted me and he's a muslim.

I haven't posted any images of Muhammad.

I also addressed this verse in a previous post in another thread:

Now, before I respond to the verse you say I run from (reality is, this is the first time I've read this in one of your posts.  Not saying you didn't write it before, just saying this is first time I've read it) let's briefly recap.

You and bigbobs requested a verse in which Christ affirms he is the Son of God.  I supply that easily and you casually dismiss it with a "sorry not good enough" response.  I got news for you.....you answer to God, God doesn't answer to you.  Christ also didn't have to answer to the Sanhedrin, but he did so in a fashion that he chose.  He turned the tables repeatedly on the leadership at that time, but he still completely affirmed he was the Son of God.  That verse is undeniable, but just because it doesn't meet your exact request doesn't mean it doesn't completely affirm who he said he was.

So, onto the verse I "repeatedly run from".  Jesus said he didn't know the hour of his return....only the Father knows that.  So, does this contradict Jesus' deity?  Not even a little bit.  Why did the Son of God come to Earth in the form of man and live among his creation as any man would?  He came to fulfill what Israel could not in the OT while at the same time establishing a new covenant with man.  Christ came and submitted to the Father so that we may recognize how we should submit to God's will.  He fellowshipped with men, he ate with men, he traveled with men, he taught men, he lived as a man.  But make no mistake, Jesus Christ is God.  Christ forgave sins, Christ raised the dead, Christ healed the sick, Christ commanded demons, Christ miracously fed multitudes.  Christ affirmed his deity and gave undeniable examples of his deity, but didn't return to his glory until after he was crucified and rose.  Before his resurrection he chose to live as man, but fully connected to his divine Fatherly essence in heaven.  Based on that connection, he did the impossible and affirmed that he was God while still existing in a limited form as a man - a limited existance he choose.  As a man he maintained his connection with his divine essence through prayer, but his act of prayer was also an example for man to follow.  He lived as a man so that we may understand how to live and submit to God.  Why did he also choose this limited state as a man?  Simple, because God can't die (he is eternal), but a God who limits his form to that of a normal man can die.  He came as the perfect man, the perfect sacrifice that died for all forgiving all sins for those that claim him as their risen Lord and Savior.  After his resurrection his returned to his full glory and power as the divine Son of God that always existed at the right hand of the Father.  As the resurrected Son of God he was transformed and those closest to him didn't recognize him at first because he transformed into his divine state.  He then displayed the divine ability to instantly move from place to place as only God can and reclaimed his omniscient status as the Son of God who knows all things.....including the hour of his return.

I agree with your last sentence.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 03:41:13 PM
Yes you have posted images disrespecting Muhammad (pbuh). It was in the atheist thread. I shall not repeat what they were as it is disgusting and it shows you being very little different from some of the people on this forum.

I just realized you let that hatred out at that moment, up until that point prior, I thought we were discussing the bible and it's verses sincerely. You have proven that no matter what you will interpret the bible selectively to continue worshiping a Jewish man, created by God, sent by God to the children of israell.

Your long response basically says does this deny Jesus' divinity. No.

That makes no sense. How can God not know, then be God at the same time. You are just not accepting the facts because you want to continue in your worship of a man, calling a man God. You see what you want when you want selectively and vice versa.

Jesus himself iterated over and over again many proofs of him being a man, a prophet, etc...

He prayed three times in Matthew. His companions even fell asleep and he continued to pray "to his God". He was not praying to himself.

Remember, it is paul who brought about this worship of Jesus ultimately and pauline christianity is what prevailed. Paul a pharisees Jew, a persecutor of Jesus' followers and none of the disciples of Jesus EVER accepted Paul.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Man of Steel on October 21, 2012, 04:54:13 PM
Yes you have posted images disrespecting Muhammad (pbuh). It was in the atheist thread. I shall not repeat what they were as it is disgusting and it shows you being very little different from some of the people on this forum.

I just realized you let that hatred out at that moment, up until that point prior, I thought we were discussing the bible and it's verses sincerely. You have proven that no matter what you will interpret the bible selectively to continue worshiping a Jewish man, created by God, sent by God to the children of israell.

Your long response basically says does this deny Jesus' divinity. No.

That makes no sense. How can God not know, then be God at the same time. You are just not accepting the facts because you want to continue in your worship of a man, calling a man God. You see what you want when you want selectively and vice versa.

Jesus himself iterated over and over again many proofs of him being a man, a prophet, etc...

He prayed three times in Matthew. His companions even fell asleep and he continued to pray "to his God". He was not praying to himself.

Remember, it is paul who brought about this worship of Jesus ultimately and pauline christianity is what prevailed. Paul a pharisees Jew, a persecutor of Jesus' followers and none of the disciples of Jesus EVER accepted Paul.

Nope, you're going to find every image in the atheist thread (or any other) and provide it/them here.  I will not be generically accussed of anything of the sort.

What anger?  Stop creating nonsense about me to help stack your posts.

I've already provided affirmation for Paul's ministry.  2 Peter already provides the disciples affirmation of Paul's ministry and theology.  Acts provides affirmation of Paul's encounter with Christ.  I've already provided a number of other resources that affirm Paul's theology and relationship with the apostles.  I've already provided scripture from the gospel affirming Christ's divinity.  All is swept asided with nonchalant handwaving.  That said, we have a fundamental, irreconcilable disconnect.  I will never....EVER.....accept Islam as true and will die for my faith in Christ; although, I do not hate and will not mistreat muslims or encourage others to do so.  I will share my faith and represent Christ.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on October 21, 2012, 06:43:20 PM
lol at learn from western men.

I guess, getting drunk at bars and clubs, picking up chicks for one night stands and never call back is something you would want us to learn about. "Treating women right".



How about Saudi men & women using bluetooth apps to communicate and set up sexual encounters?

At least in the West we talk to a girl first.

Those Muslim heathens just send a few text messages and up to a hotel room for a bit of slap & tickle.

Of course, if they get caught, it ends badly for both.

It is a well known fact that the Wahabis in Saudi are a  minority and most Saudi Muslims detest the place they live in and the extremists that run the police & religious police. Middle class people there aspire to getting a second home somewhere more reasonable - Lebanon, maybe Paris if they have money. They spend as much time outside of Saudi as humanly possible.

Go to the South of Thailand - just across the border from Malaysia, there are whole towns that cater to provide sexual services to Muslim men. Many Muslim Malays end up infecting their wives with HIV. There's plenty of Muslim men travelling to Bangkok too in order to get their rocks off.

You can't change human nature, you can only change the level of hypocrisy a society decides to use to gloss over things.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: garebear on October 21, 2012, 06:51:49 PM
How about Saudi men & women using bluetooth apps to communicate and set up sexual encounters?

At least in the West we talk to a girl first.

Those Muslim heathens just send a few text messages and up to a hotel room for a bit of slap & tickle.

Of course, if they get caught, it ends badly for both.

It is a well known fact that the Wahabis in Saudi are a  minority and most Saudi Muslims detest the place they live in and the extremists that run the police & religious police. Middle class people there aspire to getting a second home somewhere more reasonable - Lebanon, maybe Paris if they have money. They spend as much time outside of Saudi as humanly possible.

Go to the South of Thailand - just across the border from Malaysia, there are whole towns that cater to provide sexual services to Muslim men. Many Muslim Malays end up infecting their wives with HIV. There's plenty of Muslim men travelling to Bangkok too in order to get their rocks off.

You can't change human nature, you can only change the level of hypocrisy a society decides to use to gloss over things.
QFT.

The more pious they proclaim, the harder they fall.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 08:50:49 PM
Oh I see, so you want to encourage them to fuck around. Great logic.

Islam comes to stop problems before they occur. You want to encourage them.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 21, 2012, 09:01:00 PM
Oh I see, so you want to encourage them to fuck around. Great logic.

Islam comes to stop problems before they occur. You want to encourage them.

How does Islam it stop people from having sexual urges? Or any other religion for that matter? By glorified bribes: Islam dangles virgins and plentiful shade. Christianity dangles a city where the streets are paved in gold.

There may be rational reasons to abstain from casual sex. But the reasons offered by religions are not rational.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 09:07:01 PM
What does islam teach?

It teaches us to marry and not fornicate. If we cannot afford to marry to fast as it reduces sexual urges (and it does -- especially when you are thinking more about food than sex).

The whole pretext behind islam is to form healthy societies, not deformed societies where anyone fucks whatever they want.

Grade 6 here in north america, people were already fucking around, that's in my time. Today God knows... and having seen jerry springer, it's not surprising to see 7 year old prostitutes existing bitching at their mothers with attitude. A product of what and who?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 21, 2012, 09:15:23 PM
theres nothing immoral about casual sex.

the real reason why a religious belief would discourage sex is because happiness is relative and sex makes the rest of life less pleasurable. (having experienced great pleasure, one values regular pleasures less)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 21, 2012, 09:32:30 PM
Lol at honor killings and stonings not being part of islam its committed in islamic lands and so far no one has stepped forward to stop it. Primitive customs?

Plenty of so called islamic believers cheat. In the middle east its quite common for men to rape their domestics. Importimg russian prostitutes and cavorting with them is pretty common as well. Lets not forget muhammed had no problem raping a 12yr old girl.  In fact the hijab and gear are to protect women from the animalistic urges of muslim men. Thats why most wives in the middles east are decades younger than their husbands.. Its easier to control and brain wash a child.

Pretty obvious that this achmed is conveniently sweeping reality under the rug shrieking islamaphobes whenever faced with the truth.

Btw achmet does islam also understanding about your drug abuse?



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 21, 2012, 09:43:22 PM
The whole pretext behind islam is to form healthy societies, not deformed societies where anyone fucks whatever they want.

I see no evidence that sex between consenting adults results in deformed societies. As for the "fuck whatever they want" strawman, who's arguing that?


Grade 6 here in north america, people were already fucking around, that's in my time. Today God knows... and having seen jerry springer, it's not surprising to see 7 year old prstitutes existing bitching at their mothers with attitude. A product of what and who?

Jerry Springer is hardly representative and I do not see what this has to do with marriage, unless you think that marrying at 7 would help in that case. If so, I'd be curious to know how exactly you think it would help.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 21, 2012, 09:48:31 PM
Jerry Springer is about as representative of the average American, as the Taliban is of Islam.

The difference is Muslims abhor the taliban, while Americans can't seem to get enough of Springer.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 21, 2012, 09:49:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8ff6oKucBQ


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 21, 2012, 09:51:07 PM
Jerry Springer is about as representative of the average American, as the Taliban is of Islam.

The difference is Muslims abhor the taliban, while Americans can't seem to get enough of Springer.
NO

your analogy is wrong

it should be=  "Jerry Springer is about as representative of the average American, as the Taliban is of the average Muslim."

and there is an absolutely massive difference between what you wrote and the proper analogy above.



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Psychopath on October 21, 2012, 09:51:30 PM
Muslims are delusional and arrogant.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 21, 2012, 09:55:38 PM
Jerry Springer is about as representative of the average American, as the Taliban is of Islam.

The difference is Muslims abhor the taliban, while Americans can't seem to get enough of Springer.

Really? Achmet was compliemnting the taliban on dstroying ancient buddhist statues.

Springer? Who the hell watches springer and thinks that acted shit is real? Most of the islamic antics such as announcing jihad on cartoonists are pretty much worse and deadly  than anything us tv can produce. Millions of braindead islamists take their marching orders from their deranged clerics as though that will somehow fix everything. Congratulations religion of peace...you sure underlined the word peace for the world to see. No wonder islam is the most revilled religions on the planet. They live in their own bubble devoid of reality.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Shockwave on October 21, 2012, 09:56:39 PM
Muslims are evil and wrong, HTH.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 21, 2012, 09:57:33 PM
Jerry Springer is about as representative of the average American, as the Taliban is of Islam.

The difference is Muslims abhor the taliban, while Americans can't seem to get enough of Springer.

To say that "Americans can't get enough of him" is ludicrous. (Is he still on TV by the way?) Besides, what's wrong with Jerry Springer personally? His show put the scum of the earth on tv for shits-and-giggles; granted that said something about his viewers at large, but if he had an audience what's the problem?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 21, 2012, 09:58:07 PM
Muslims are evil and wrong, HTH.

Maybe acmet will run in shrieking ISLaMaphobe...lol.

He's a truthphobe


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 21, 2012, 10:01:43 PM
NO

your analogy is wrong

it should be=  "Jerry Springer is about as representative of the average American, as the Taliban is of the average Muslim."

and there is an absolutely massive difference between what you wrote and the proper analogy above.

I wasn't speaking about "average Muslims", ...but about the religion of Islam (what little I know of it).

As for my knowledge of Muslims, I can only go by those who I know, meet or encounter daily who may or may not be a proper representative sample, but it is what I know, ...and so far, ....it's all good.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 21, 2012, 10:06:22 PM
I wasn't speaking about "average Muslims", ...but about the religion of Islam (what little I know of it).

As for my knowledge of Muslims, I can only go by those who I know, meet or encounter daily who may or may not be a proper representative sample, but it is what I know, ...and so far, ....it's all good.
then your absolutely wrong.  the average muslim = good people.  islam = inherently violent.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 21, 2012, 10:06:57 PM
I wasn't speaking about "average Muslims", ...but about the religion of Islam (hat little I know of it).

As for my knowledge of Muslims, I can only go by those who I meet & encounter daily who may or may not be a proper representative sample, but it is what I know, ...and so far, ....it's all good.


Plenty of people thought that the guy who beheaded his wife (muzza hassan) was such a nice guy and moderate. You never know the real programming under the veil of civility


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 21, 2012, 10:09:04 PM
then your absolutely wrong.  the average muslim = good people.  islam = inherently violent.

True. It was the imams of mosques that goad people into causing riots and other destructive acts. There is a reason governments of several countries are investigating mosques and what they really preach behind closed doors.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 10:09:36 PM
theres nothing immoral about casual sex.

the real reason why a religious belief would discourage sex is because happiness is relative and sex makes the rest of life less pleasurable. (having experienced great pleasure, one values regular pleasures less)

No, sex is left for marriage so that functioning families and societies can exist.

Otherwise you'll have such 'fine' products of western culture like wife swapping, clubbing/bars  and one night stands, teen pregnancies, broken marriages, abandoned children, abortions, etc...

Sex is part of God's creation but given that God has given us intellect, he tells us what to do and not to do for our own benefaction and warns us if we as individuals or societies go in the other direction.

Instead of preparing youth from a young age to be geared towards marriage, the opposite has happened people run away from marriage, fear marriage and even hate the idea of being 'stuck' with a person.



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 10:12:21 PM
then your absolutely wrong.  the average muslim = good people.  islam = inherently violent.

That makes great sense  ::)

So basically what is a 'good muslim' is what you personally accept, even if it's something as muslims and in islam it may not be something we accept to you may be a 'good' muslim. In whatever relative terms.

A muslim that drinks? A muslim that sleeps around? A muslim that honor kills?

"Good muslims" in your terms? No, there are muslims, who may or may not be following our religion properly and then there is islam.

No knowledgable muslim with faith in God would not follow islam. Ignorance of some muslims not following islam is a problem. Just as ignorance of non muslims is a problem.

You seem confused with your own interpretation of what it is to be a good follower of God. After all you believe that people who are about to be killed should 'show love to their killer'. What demented logic do you use man..

Our knowledge of God and orders from God come through messengers of God not our own vain desires that we come up with.

God sent messengers from amongst ourselves so that we could relate. Not that we get some 'alien dudes' freak us out, but speak in our own common understanding from amongst ourselves. Hence as we believe in islam God sent 124,000 prophets to all mankind to each pertaining group of people, however Muhammad (pbuh) came as a messenger for all mankind this was the final revelation.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 21, 2012, 10:21:16 PM
That makes great sense  ::)

So basically what is a 'good muslim' is what you personally accept, even if it's something as muslims and in islam it may not be something we accept to you may be a 'good' muslim. In whatever relative terms.

A muslim that drinks? A muslim that sleeps around? A muslim that honor kills?

"Good muslims" in your terms? No, there are muslims, who may or may not be following our religion properly and then there is islam.

No knowledgable muslim with faith in God would not follow islam. Ignorance of some muslims not following islam is a problem. Just as ignorance of non muslims is a problem.

You seem confused with your own interpretation of what it is to be a good follower of God. After all you believe that people who are about to be killed should 'show love to their killer'. What demented logic do you use man..

Our knowledge of God and orders from God come through messengers of God not our own vain desires that we come up with.

God sent messengers from amongst ourselves so that we could relate. Not that we get some 'alien dudes' freak us out, but speak in our own common understanding from amongst ourselves. Hence as we believe in islam God sent 124,000 prophets to all mankind to each pertaining group of people, however Muhammad (pbuh) came as a messenger for all mankind this was the final revelation.

Ahh...the messnger. Lol. God with his infinite powers cant seem to reach out to everyone so he sends a messenger...another man who would have no reason to lie and create a fantasy world designed to rope other fools into the web of lies.

Amazing that all these messengers appeared during the most superstitious eras. No messengers today..no sir.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 10:28:12 PM
No messengers today as Muhammad is the last and final messenger of God. God has perfected his way of life and chosen Islam for all mankind until the day of judgement.

What is it that would be 'proof' to you? A mountain rising up above you and crushing you? Apparently something along those lines was not enough for the Jews when they were with Moses (pbuh).

Some people even if all miracles are brought before them would simply not believe.

What is it that makes us so wonderful and superior to past people? Technology? Merely tools that delude us from reality.

Whether someone steals via cyber theft or breaks into someone's house it's still theft. Whether someone kills with bare hands or a knife is no different if someone kills someone with a star trek 'phaser gun'. Walking/horse/camel riding vs taking a plane. Still movement/travel. Fornicating in the bushes and adultery in the forest or cheating via facebook/social media/bars.

All the same crap just different means. Humanity doesn't change at all, only the means by which we live, and the means by which our behaviour is tested in front of God.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 21, 2012, 10:29:57 PM
No, sex is left for marriage so that functioning families and societies can exist.

Otherwise you'll have such 'fine' products of western culture like wife swapping, clubbing/bars  and one night stands, teen pregnancies, broken marriages, abandoned children, abortions, etc...

Sex is part of God's creation but given that God has given us intellect, he tells us what to do and not to do for our own benefaction and warns us if we as individuals or societies go in the other direction.

Instead of preparing youth from a young age to be geared towards marriage, the opposite has happened people run away from marriage, fear marriage and even hate the idea of being 'stuck' with a person.


marriage is spiritually immature, son.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 10:32:50 PM
Well that to thousands of years of human history.

What's mature? Bumping at clubs while piss drunk? Or being in a 'relationship' for 12 years then fearing 'commitment'? Not that different from bumping bushes in the medieval age. Modern "progress"


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 21, 2012, 10:33:03 PM
That makes great sense  ::)

So basically what is a 'good muslim' is what you personally accept, even if it's something as muslims and in islam it may not be something we accept to you may be a 'good' muslim. In whatever relative terms.

A muslim that drinks? A muslim that sleeps around? A muslim that honor kills?

"Good muslims" in your terms? No, there are muslims, who may or may not be following our religion properly and then there is islam.

No knowledgable muslim with faith in God would not follow islam. Ignorance of some muslims not following islam is a problem. Just as ignorance of non muslims is a problem.

You seem confused with your own interpretation of what it is to be a good follower of God. After all you believe that people who are about to be killed should 'show love to their killer'. What demented logic do you use man..

Our knowledge of God and orders from God come through messengers of God not our own vain desires that we come up with.

God sent messengers from amongst ourselves so that we could relate. Not that we get some 'alien dudes' freak us out, but speak in our own common understanding from amongst ourselves. Hence as we believe in islam God sent 124,000 prophets to all mankind to each pertaining group of people, however Muhammad (pbuh) came as a messenger for all mankind this was the final revelation.

you seem confused.  islam is shit, created by a violent man. but the average muslim is a peaceful, loving person.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 10:34:25 PM
you seem confused.  islam is shit, created by a violent man. but the average muslim is a peaceful, loving person.

Strong assertions, weak mind, weak knowledge, weak facts.

Your brain content relating to isalm = .

You seem so sure of your own independant understanding of God and how one should live life. Your proof? Personal ego and desires. Did God tell you it's 'shit'.

Islam means submission to God literally. I guess that's 'shit' in your mystical understanding of God through bodybuilding?

There is no 'muslim' without Islam. Islam is to submit to God, muslim is one who submits to God.

It's not a race as anyone can be a muslim and islam is for all mankind.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 21, 2012, 10:39:10 PM
No messengers today as Muhammad is the last and final messenger of God. God has perfected his way of life and chosen Islam for all mankind until the day of judgement.

What is it that would be 'proof' to you? A mountain rising up above you and crushing you? Apparently something along those lines was not enough for the Jews when they were with Moses (pbuh).

Some people even if all miracles are brought before them would simply not believe.

What is it that makes us so wonderful and superior to past people? Technology? Merely tools that delude us from reality.

Whether someone steals via cyber theft or breaks into someone's house it's still theft. Whether someone kills with bare hands or a knife is no different if someone kills someone with a star trek 'phaser gun'. Walking/horse/camel riding vs taking a plane. Still movement/travel. Fornicating in the bushes and adultery in the forest or cheating via facebook/social media/bars.

All the same crap just different means. Humanity doesn't change at all, only the means by which we live, and the means by which our behaviour is tested in front of God.

How do you know what is tested by god? Just because some fool wrote some psychobabble in an era where people beleived anything is hardly evidence of god. True evidence is god announcing that fact to everyone not some select person. What happened? Is god shy? The best way to do away with all this confusion is a straight forward announcement from this magical unicorn. Show up and say here i am to everyone. That will end all debates. But that wont happen becuase god is MAN's construct...created by man to keep people in line through fear of the unknown.  

Anyone claiming to be a messnger of god doesnt have their own little scheme in mind? Yeah right.
Science can only explain 4 percent. That doesnt mean that the rest cant be explained. It wont happen in our life time.  Just because we dont understand something now doesnt mean it has no real explanantion waitong to be discovered. In ancient times fire storms, eathquakes were seen as acts of gods displeasure. Now we know better.

Gods like thor, zeus were considered real until mankind moved on to the next fashionable creation. At some point in the future islam will join that list and mankind will laugh at the foolishness of muslims.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 21, 2012, 10:39:48 PM
No, sex is left for marriage so that functioning families and societies can exist.

All it takes to bust that argument is a single counterexample: a functioning family where the people are unmarked. I know many such families.

 
Otherwise you'll have such 'fine' products of western culture like wife swapping, clubbing/bars  and one night stands, teen pregnancies, broken marriages, abandoned children, abortions, etc...

Seriously? You're bitching about bars and nightclubs? ???

And wife-swapping? Really? Sex before marriage leads to wife-swapping? How?

As for one night stands - I have nothin against casual sex if one takes the proper precautions. I know it scares you and the idea makes you feel icky, but if you're not into it, don't do it. I personally wouldn't, but I don't think that others, who do, contribute to the moral decay of society.

The broken marriages bit: nonsense. Marriages break up for all sorts of reasons; even between devout Muslims who have never had sex outside of marriage.



Instead of preparing youth from a young age to be geared towards marriage, the opposite has happened people run away from marriage, fear marriage and even hate the idea of being 'stuck' with a person.

"Preparing"? What the fuck. Women and men aren't ingredients, that you prepare and then mix together. Children shouldn't be raised with the goal of preparing them for marriage. They should be raised to be able to make their own decisions about what to do with their life. Not be prepared to marry.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 21, 2012, 10:40:14 PM
Strong assertions, weak mind, weak knowledge, weak facts.

Your brain content relating to isalm = .

You seem so sure of your own independant understanding of God and how one should live life. Your proof? Personal ego and desires. Did God tell you it's 'shit'.

Islam means submission to God literally. I guess that's 'shit' in your mystical understanding of God through bodybuilding?

There is no 'muslim' without Islam. Islam is to submit to God, muslim is one who submits to God.

It's not a race as anyone can be a muslim and islam is for all mankind.
your forgetting the fact that islam means believing that a violent man was holy and god's messenger.  :)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 21, 2012, 10:41:25 PM
You seem so sure of your own independant understanding of God and how one should live life.


Same applies to you. Signs of a weak mind struggling to hold reality away from his fantasy world.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 10:45:56 PM
Quote
All it takes to bust that argument is a single counterexample: a functioning family where the people are unmarked. I know many such families.

Oh right, like the man made laws, that legalize homosexual marriage. Homosexuals adopting children.

"Functioning family".

Such great 'progress' mankind has made.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 10:47:47 PM
your forgetting the fact that islam means believing that a violent man was holy and god's messenger.  :)

 ::)

You believe that if someone comes to kill you, you should smile at them and show them love.

Muslims were oppressed and Muhammad (pbuh) fought. Moses (pbuh) and his followers were oppressed and Moses and his people fought. David (pbuh) fought and defeated people as well.

Absolute pacific ism is unreality. There cannot be peace without justice and for as long as there is injustice there will be war.

There are only two types of wars, wars fought for greed and wars fought for justice.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 21, 2012, 10:51:11 PM
Oh right, like the man made laws, that legalize homosexual marriage. Homosexuals adopting children.

"Functioning family".

Such great 'progress' mankind has made.

Man made laws and god made laws are one and the same. Both written and perpetuated by man. Times change. We may agree or disagree with change but it happens. Only a fool clings to ancient tomes hoping that things go his way becuase of what was written centuries ago.


 


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 10:52:31 PM
Man made laws and god made laws are one and the same. Both written and perpetuated by man. Times change. We may agree or disagree with change but it happens. Only a fool clings to ancient tomes hoping that things go his way becuase of what was written centuries ago.

Homosexuals existed 'centuries ago' and God destroyed Sodom and Gomorah.

All past generations had the intellect to realize that we should not stick our tool in a shit exit door. Here we are today despite all the iphones and social networks and fancy cars, we have people dumb enough passing laws that allow the act of homosexuality in society. To further erode what little moral quality in society there is, they are now legally being 'married' and 'adopting' children to 'form a family'.

A brain dead society that thinks its superior while it's going and going, crashing down hard downward spiralling.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 21, 2012, 10:53:39 PM
Oh right, like the man made laws, that legalize homosexual marriage. Homosexuals adopting children.

"Functioning family".

Such great 'progress' mankind has made.

So you are asserting that there is no functioning family without marriage? That is absurd on its face.

As for gay marriage *shrugs*. I don't much care one way or the other, nor am I interested in how consenting adults choose to use their genitals.

The nature of my relationship with my girl won't change just because two guys might be able to get married anymore than it will change because women from former Societ Republics marry Americans for green cards.

Nothing that others do affects my relationship; only two people have control over it. My girl and myself.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 21, 2012, 10:53:57 PM
::)

You believe that if someone comes to kill you, you should smile at them and show them love.

Muslims were oppressed and Muhammad (pbuh) fought. Moses (pbuh) and his followers were oppressed and Moses and his people fought. David (pbuh) fought and defeated people as well.

Absolute pacific ism is unreality. There cannot be peace without justice and for as long as there is injustice there will be war.

There are only two types of wars, wars fought for greed and wars fought for justice.

There are no wars for justice. Muslims did as much oppressing as did other religions. They are hardly the poor oppresssed freedom fighters you make them out to be.  


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 10:54:34 PM
A society devoid of any quality standards is a failing society.

What you propose is basically everyone done fuck all, 'freedom'.

What is right and wrong changes by mob rule. Even if its purely driven by desires be they perverse or otherwise.

This is the western standard. Western society has little to do with being 'christian'


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 21, 2012, 10:54:51 PM
::)

You believe that if someone comes to kill you, you should smile at them and show them love.

Muslims were oppressed and Muhammad (pbuh) fought. Moses (pbuh) and his followers were oppressed and Moses and his people fought. David (pbuh) fought and defeated people as well.

Absolute pacific ism is unreality. There cannot be peace without justice and for as long as there is injustice there will be war.

There are only two types of wars, wars fought for greed and wars fought for justice.

if you believe in god, you will let him take care of doing justice.  there is no justification for violence (unless of course you do not believe there will be life after death, you do not believe god will reward good behavior and punish the bad)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 10:55:27 PM
if you believe in god, you will let him take care of doing justice.  there is no justification for violence (unless of course you do not believe there will be life after death, you do not believe god will reward good behavior and punish the bad)

okay, so let all them good people die and let them evil people prevail on earth and then God will punish them? Is this your mentality?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 21, 2012, 10:55:45 PM
So you are asserting that there is no functioning family without marriage? That is absurd on its face.

As for gay marriage *shrugs*. I don't much care one way or the other, nor am I interested in how consenting adults choose to use their genitals.

The nature of my relationship with my girl won't change just because two guys might be able to get married anymore than it will change because women from former Societ Republics marry Americans for green cards.

Nothing that others do affects my relationship; only two people have control over it. My girl and myself.

Thats because all of achmets knowledge comes from a dusty book. He cant fathom reality outside of it so he tries to live in the past. Delusional fool things the worlld remains constant devoid of change. Maybe in your own drug addled workd achemt.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 10:57:02 PM
There are no wars for justice.

Fascinating. Another brilliant mind amongst us. So if someone starts a war, the victims have no basis in fighting for justice because there is no 'justice'.

Let me guess, another brilliant Darwinian belief, the strong survive? Like an animal jungle  ::) Such finesse in moral standards.

And btw, "achemt." is not a word in Arabic, Hebrew or Aramaic. What you are trying to say is Ahmed, it comes from the root word h-m-d, who constantly praises in particular God.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 21, 2012, 10:57:48 PM
okay, so let all them good people die and let them evil people prevail on earth and then God will punish them? Is this your mentality?
if you believe in god, then isnt life after death a much better state of existence for the good people?  ;) isnt it better that the good people get to go to the good place, and the evil people get more time on earth to hopefully become good?   ;)  THINK ahmed.. think  ;)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 21, 2012, 10:58:24 PM
Homosexuals existed 'centuries ago' and God destroyed Sodom and Gomorah.

Apparently some homos escaped because they're still around...


All past generations had the intellect to realize that we should not stick our tool in a shit exit door. Here we are today despite all the iphones and social networks and fancy cars, we have people dumb enough passing laws that allow the act of homosexuality in society. To further erode what little moral quality in society there is, they are now legally being 'married' and 'adopting' children to 'form a family'.

Sperm comes out of a "piss exit door"...


A brain dead society that thinks its superior while it's going and going, crashing down hard downward spiralling.

Such judgements are best left to future historians.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 10:59:18 PM
if you believe in god, then isnt life after death a much better state of existence for the good people?  ;) isnt it better that the good people get to go to the good place, and the evil people get more time on earth to hopefully become good?   ;)  THINK ahmed.. think  ;)

Oh wow! So all the palestinians ought to embrace death at the hands of the special race of Israelis! Brilliant!  ::)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 21, 2012, 11:00:36 PM
Oh wow! So all the palestinians ought to embrace death at the hands of the special race of Israelis! Brilliant!  ::)
if they believe that they are good, and they believe that good people go to gods kingdom when they die, and they believe gods kingdom is superior to earth, then absolutely.  ;)   THINK ahmed.. think  ;)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 11:01:44 PM
if they believe that they are good, and they believe that good people go to gods kingdom when they die, and they believe gods kingdom is superior to earth, then absolutely.  ;)   THINK ahmed.. think  ;)
Agreed

So the bullies that get bullied and commit suicide or get even killed by bullies? Same concept right  ::)

Seriously a guy who thinks self defensive is evil, ought to rethink life all together. Go and face some evil dude and die then. You are a completely illogical person.

If some Americans started dropping bombs on your home, you would just smile as the bomb comes towards your face, and do nothing to protect your family because you ought to 'love your enemies'  ::)

And since you are so anti-scripture, take a wild guess where your love thy enemy mentality comes from even though its completely contrary to any such context.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 21, 2012, 11:06:20 PM
Agreed

So the bullies that get bullied and commit suicide or get even killed by bullies? Same concept right  ::)

Seriously a guy who thinks self defensive is evil, ought to rethink life all together. Go and face some evil dude and die then. You are a completely illogical person.

If some Americans started dropping bombs on your home, you would just smile as the bomb comes towards your face, and do nothing to protect your family because you ought to 'love your enemies'  ::)

And since you are so anti-scripture, take a wild guess where your love thy enemy mentality comes from even though its completely contrary to any such context.
first, suicide is against human nature and would not qualify for entrance to god's kingdom.

secondly, your arguments against pacifism are rooted in a love of the earth and contradictory to a belief in god's kingdom.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 21, 2012, 11:09:25 PM
Fascinating. Another brilliant mind amongst us. So if someone starts a war, the victims have no basis in fighting for justice because there is no 'justice'.

Let me guess, another brilliant Darwinian belief, the strong survive? Like an animal jungle  ::) Such finesse in moral standards.

And btw, "achemt." is not a word in Arabic, Hebrew or Aramaic. What you are trying to say is Ahmed, it comes from the root word h-m-d, who constantly praises in particular God.

Its not a fight for justice you fool its a fight to survive. Its kill or be killed not some idealized justice battle.

Let me guess...no i already know...a blind zealot who regurgitates ancient myths because he's too delusional to accept reality. So the god myth suits your feeble mind...right? Your religion wound you up and off you go. Musnt deviate from the programming.

I'll call you achmet sjnce it has no meaning. Just like your arguements. No logic or facts just blind faith derived from ancient myths.



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 11:10:57 PM
first, suicide is against human nature and would not qualify for entrance to god's kingdom.

secondly, your arguments against pacifism are rooted in a love of the earth and contradictory to a belief in god's kingdom.

And so please enligthen me oh wise sage, where did you learn that suicide is against human nature?

Is that what you were told? What about the little girl who was bullied and commuted suicide lately?

I personally can argue against it religiously, but you denounce all religions and scriptures.

And oh wise sage, how do you know about the 'kingdom of God'? Do you have personal revelation from God and are a prophet? Or do you have your own personal whims concluding to you what you want.

You would be the first person running away from your house being shelled by troops you wouldn't be 'loving thy enemy' and embracing death.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 11:11:55 PM
Its not a fight for justice you fool its a fight to survive. Its kill or be killed not some idealized justice battle.

Let me guess...no i already know...a blind zealot who regurgitates ancient myths because he's too delusional to accept reality. So the god myth suits your feeble mind...right? Your religion wound you up and off you go. Musnt deviate from the programming.

I'll call you achmet sjnce it has no meaning. Just like your arguements. No logic or facts just blind faith derived from ancient myths.



Oh lol reality? The law of the jungle, darwin style.

Atheists... :) Such splendid debaters, with such strong superior knowledge of the world :)

By the way if you are thinking of 'achmet the terrorist' that accent, just to let you know, is not an arabic accent, it is a jewish accent. Arabs don't over emphasize the ha like jews do :)

and the root word is the same in arabic and hebrew ;) h-m-d. Giving thanks :)

I guess it 'secures' your atheist insecurities to find new creative ways to try to diss those who believe in God :) You are only dissing yourself lol


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 21, 2012, 11:19:14 PM
And so please enligthen me oh wise sage, where did you learn that suicide is against human nature?

Is that what you were told? What about the little girl who was bullied and commuted suicide lately?

I personally can argue against it religiously, but you denounce all religions and scriptures.

And oh wise sage, how do you know about the 'kingdom of God'? Do you have personal revelation from God and are a prophet? Or do you have your own personal whims concluding to you what you want.

You would be the first person running away from your house being shelled by troops you wouldn't be 'loving thy enemy' and embracing death.
i denounce the idea of infallible scripture, prophets who are holy messengers of god, etc.

but i think men capable of attaining wisdom

and when i read or hear something that strikes me as wise i will remember it and make it a part of my ideology

where did i first learn that suicide was against human nature.. well, the first time it ever made since to me was when i read a story about the death of socrates..  one of his friends asked him why, if he believed that life after death was real and better than life on earth, had he not committed suicide..  socrates replied that "there is a thing whispered in secret, that man is a prisoner in the flesh and shall not open his prison door untill called forth by creator who put him there".. when i read that, something clicked inside of me, and i began to think suicide as unnatural and unwise.

as for "the kingdom of god", when i think about the experience of being human, when i think about my belief in a creator that is based on certain scientific concepts (causality), i ask myself what the purpouse of life on this imperfect world would be ... and i come to the conlclusion that there must be a better place for us to go once we become a good person.

 :)

one day, maybe  not today, tomorrow, next week or next year..  youll look back at this conversation and a bright light will go off in your head as you understand why violence, even in self defense, could NEVER be justified within the context of a belief in heaven for the good.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 21, 2012, 11:25:09 PM
Oh lol reality? The law of the jungle, darwin style.

Atheists... :) Such splendid debaters, with such strong superior knowledge of the world :)

By the way if you are thinking of 'achmet the terrorist' that accent, just to let you know, is not an arabic accent, it is a jewish accent. Arabs don't over emphasize the ha like jews do :)

and the root word is the same in arabic and hebrew ;) h-m-d. Giving thanks :)

I guess it 'secures' your atheist insecurities to find new creative ways to try to diss those who believe in God :) You are only dissing yourself lol

Whoah. Looks like i stuck a nerve. Here's a tissue crybaby.
Islamists....such clever debaters. When faced with giving a logical answer retreat and try to change tactics.

Oh btw. Im not dissing you for beleiving in god. Im dissing you becuase your entire purpose here is to attack other religions while covering up the truth about your own. 






Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 11:27:41 PM
i denounce the idea of infallible scripture, prophets who are holy messengers of god, etc.

but i think men capable of attaining wisdom

Why is it hard to believe that God would chose some people over others to lead people on this earth?

Yet you say men are capable of attaining wisdom? Driven by who and what? Some people think they are 'wise' yet lead people astray. Look at the modern western construct. Society is not bettering itself its worsening.

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and when i read or hear something that strikes me as wise i will remember it and make it a part of my ideology

where did i first learn that suicide was against human nature.. well, the first time it ever made since to me was when i read a story about the death of socrates..  one of his friends asked him why, if he believed that life after death was real and better than life on earth, had he not committed suicide..  socrates replied that "there is a thing whispered in secret, that man is a prisoner in the flesh and shall not open his prison door untill called forth by creator who put him there".. when i read that, something clicked inside of me, and i began to think suicide as unnatural and unwise.

So you are basing your own belief on what someone said ancient ages ago as well. How is that any different? I used to read plato, socrates and aristotle alot as well and it led me to islam as well. I used to read philosophy with enthusiasm to expand my mind.

Suicide is 'unnatural' in the sense that it's an act, it is not a state. But that act is a choice, a wrong choice.

None the less fighting is a choice too, but it is also a natural state to defend oneself. Yet you are denying this 'natural' state.

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as for "the kingdom of god", when i think about the experience of being human, when i think about my belief in a creator that is based on certain scientific concepts (causality), i ask myself what the purpouse of life on this imperfect world would be ... and i come to the conlclusion that there must be a better place for us to go once we become a good person.

 :)

one day, maybe  not today, tomorrow, next week or next year..  youll look back at this conversation and a bright light will go off in your head as you understand why violence, even in self defense, could NEVER be justified within the context of a belief in heaven for the good.

So you have a natural incliniation towards God as we all do until we are corrupted by outside influence. We call this fitra in islam. The way God created us.

Yet that is but one step to guidance in this life. You recognize God and you recognize the life to come. Yet you denounce God's revelations.

It is like a man seeking God but denouncing his greetings back to you.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 11:29:46 PM
Whoah. Looks like i stuck a nerve. Here's a tissue crybaby.
Islamists....such clever debaters. When faced with giving a logical answer retreat and try to change tactics.

Oh btw. Im not dissing you for beleiving in god. Im dissing you becuase your entire purpose here is to attack other religions while covering up the truth about your own. 

Speak for yourself, as that's what atheists do best. It seems I struck a nerve with another atheist.

Do you know why I started talking more on this forum? Because I saw the islam hating, trash talking, misinformed, ignorant islamophobes polluting this forum. I am a muslim, and while we're at it, I became Muslim, and I would defend the dignitiy of the truth of Islam as a Muslim.

Pretty weird if you expect me to be silent. The truth prevails over falsehood, and you hate it.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 21, 2012, 11:31:43 PM
Man made laws and god made laws are one and the same. Both written and perpetuated by man. Times change. We may agree or disagree with change but it happens. Only a fool clings to ancient tomes hoping that things go his way becuase of what was written centuries ago.  

That is simply absurd!!!! Man may make laws for his own benefit, and man may even attempt to codify what he interprets to be God's law, but it is absurd to think man-made laws, and god made laws are one and the same. It is not only absurd, it is arrogant, foolish, and woefully ignorant.

Universal Law cannot be changed by an act of congress, the stroke of a pen, or some ruler's fiat decree. Universal Law is absolute.... always has been, ...and always will be.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 21, 2012, 11:34:20 PM
Why is it hard to believe that God would chose some people over others to lead people on this earth?

Yet you say men are capable of attaining wisdom? Driven by who and what? Some people think they are 'wise' yet lead people astray. Look at the modern western construct. Society is not bettering itself its worsening.

So you are basing your own belief on what someone said ancient ages ago as well. How is that any different? I used to read plato, socrates and aristotle alot as well and it led me to islam as well. I used to read philosophy as well.

Suicide is 'unnatural' in the sense that it's an act, it is not a state. But that act is a choice, a wrong choice.

None the less fighting is a choice too, but it is also a natural state to defend oneself. Yet you are denying this 'natural' state.

So you have a natural incliniation towards God as we all do until we are corrupted by outside influence. We call this fitra in islam. The way God created us.

Yet that is but one step to guidance in this life. You recognize God and you recognize the life to come. Yet you denounce God's revelations.

It is like a man seeking God but denouncing his greetings back to you.
heres the difference between me and you. i believe in god. you believe in scripture.  ;) ;) ;) ;) THINK about it ahmed  ;) ;) ;) ;)  where does your allegiance lie ??  hmmmmm ??    here before you i lay down perfectly sound logic that PROVES a belief in heaven is contradictory to violence of any kind..   and you reject it.. you reject the intellect god himself gave you and instead wish to worship the blasphemous scriptures men have created to gain control over you..   :'(  :'(  :'(


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 21, 2012, 11:35:31 PM
Why is it hard to believe that God would chose some people over others to lead people on this earth?

The US ( a large part of it )  believes that god made the US superior to other nations. Would that be true? Muslims countries have been the subject of US domination. Maybe god is simply choosing a christian nation over a muslim one as punishment for believing the liar called muhammed.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 11:36:35 PM
heres the difference between me and you. i believe in god. you believe in scripture.  ;) ;) ;) ;) THINK about it ahmed  ;) ;) ;) ;)  where does your allegiance lie ??  hmmmmm ??    here before you i lay down perfectly sound logic that PROVES a belief in heaven is contradictory to violence of any kind..   and you reject it.. you reject the intellect god himself gave you and instead wish to worship the blasphemous scriptures men have created to gain control over you..   :'(  :'(  :'(

You are running on alot of empty. I 'believe in scriptures' you believe in God.

No I believe in God and accept God's revelations, messengers, prophets, angels.

You believe in God, good, but you denounce any of God's revelations, messengers, prophets and angels (I would assume).

For as long as you have this illogical construct in your mind about absolute pacific-ism you are indeed detached from reality. There is evil and good in this world.

God does not tell us to be born into this world and await that evil to smite us so we attain heaven.

A mother that is about to be killed and have her child killed will try to defend her child at least.

You on the other hand talk of facing those that will kill you with 'love'. It's ludicrous. Love is a two way relationship. When that knife is jabbed in you, your heart won't be pumping no love.


Here's some food for thought for you.

You believe in God. Okay. Now if EVERY HUMAN were to 'believe in God' in their own way or disbelieve in God, don't you think there would be a lot of chaos on this earth?

There is. So what makes your 'personal experience' that much superior to the prophets that God sent. You seem to know better than God's messengers.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 21, 2012, 11:41:48 PM
you see if you kill an evil person, they no longer have the chance to become good. but if a good person dies they go to gods kingdom. therefore, let the good die and hope the evil live. for god wants as many souls in his kingdom as possible.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pulling weight on October 21, 2012, 11:42:31 PM
Islam will eventually be wiped off the face of the earth.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 11:42:45 PM
you see if you kill an evil person, they no longer have the chance to become good. but if a good person dies they go to gods kingdom. therefore, let the good die and hope the evil live. for god wants as many souls in his kingdom as possible.

What you say is true, but if there's a knife heading your way, there's little chance you'll remain to try to make that person good.

You have certain good beliefs, but you are hung on your own personal constructs which also have certain disconnects from reality.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 21, 2012, 11:43:19 PM
When that knife is jabbed in you, your heart won't be pumping no love.
AND THERE IT IS, AHMED! YOU SEE! YOUR JUSTIFICATION FOR SELF DEFENSE IS BASED ON THE IDEA THAT DEATH IS FINAL. YOUR JUSTIFICATION FOR SELF DEFENSE IS BASED ON ATHEISM.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 11:43:48 PM
AND THERE IT IS, AHMED! YOU SEE! YOUR JUSTIFICATION FOR SELF DEFENSE IS BASED ON THE IDEA THAT DEATH IS FINAL. YOUR JUSTIFICATION FOR SELF DEFENSE IS BASED ON ATHEISM.

Wow so self defense is atheism. Man, no wonder the other dude's on here stopped talking to you.

Your way of thinking is like a man who doesn't tie his camel, and says "God will take care of it" then the camel runs away.

Tie your camel, and God will take care of your camel.

Hard concept to grasp.

You don't seem to realize by your logic, if everyone just stands before these 'evil people' and dies, there is no good left. Who will turn those evil people into good people?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 21, 2012, 11:44:50 PM
What you say is true, but if there's a knife heading your way, there's little chance you'll remain to try to make that person good.
SHOWING LOVE TO A PERSON WHO IS KILLING YOU IS THE ABSOLUTE STRONGEST WAY TO ENCOURAGE A PERSON TO BECOME GOOD


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 11:45:27 PM
SHOWING LOVE TO A PERSON WHO IS KILLING YOU IS THE ABSOLUTE STRONGEST WAY TO ENCOURAGE A PERSON TO BECOME GOOD

And please enlighten me, how will you be encouraging or showing that person to become good once they stabbed you to death? You are no longer in this world. The last they see of you is dying in cold blood.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 21, 2012, 11:45:58 PM
Wow so self defense is atheism. Man, no wonder the other dude's on here stopped talking to you.

Your way of thinking is like a man who doesn't tie his camel, and says "God will take care of it" then the camel runs away.

Tie your camel, and God will take care of your camel.

Hard concept to grasp.
PRESERVE YOUR LIFE ON EARTH= GOD WILL HELP PRESERVE YOUR LIFE ON EARTH (PRESERVE YOUR LIFE NOT IN HEAVEN)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 11:46:45 PM
Life in heaven and hell is eternal. This life is not.

So please enlighten me again, how will you 'encourage' someone to be good when you are dead in front of them.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 21, 2012, 11:47:28 PM
And please enlighten me, how will you be encouraging or showing that person to become good once they stabbed you to death? You are no longer in this world. The last they see of you is dying in cold blood.
THERE IS NO STRONGER FORM OF SPIRITUAL ENCOURAGEMENT THAN TO SHOW LOVE TO SOMEONE AS THEY KILL YOU... THERE IS NO AMOUNT OF DEEDS YOU CAN DO THAT WOULD EVER EQUAL THAT ACT OF SELF SACRIFICE  OUT OF LOVE FOR THE ONE WHO MURDERS YOU


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 21, 2012, 11:48:26 PM
Life in heaven and hell is eternal. This life is not.

So please enlighten me again, how will you 'encourage' someone to be good when you are dead in front of them.
THE ACT OF PURE LOVE TOWARDS YOUR KILLER IN THE FACE OF DEATH IS THE STRONGEST FORM OF SPIRITUAL ENCOURAGEMENT YOU CAN DO.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 11:48:33 PM
THERE IS NO STRONGER FORM OF SPIRITUAL ENCOURAGEMENT THAN TO SHOW LOVE TO SOMEONE AS THEY KILL YOU... THERE IS NO AMOUNT OF DEEDS YOU CAN DO THAT WOULD EVER EQUAL THAT ACT OF SELF SACRIFICE  OUT OF LOVE FOR THE ONE WHO MURDERS YOU

Can you describe to me how you will show them love as they thrust that knife in you? Will you tell them "I... I.... looove youuu" *drops*

Did the american troops that raped a 14 year old in Iraq and killed her entire family, set the house on fire become 'good'. Was the 14 year old 'showing them love' as they raped her in cold blood and then killed her.

Are you mentally sick?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 21, 2012, 11:50:15 PM
For as long as you have this illogical construct in your mind about absolute pacific-ism you are indeed detached from reality. There is evil and good in this world.

[...]

A mother that is about to be killed and have her child killed will try to defend her child at least.

I agree (!!!) with you (at least partly):

There is a difference between initiating violence and defending oneself against someone else who initiated violence against you. In my opinion, defending oneself from attacks that others have initiated is not only perfectly justified but inherently moral.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 21, 2012, 11:50:19 PM
Life in heaven and hell is eternal.


Sez who? The book of magic? :D
God who told the messenger who wrote the book that told the.... ;D

Ach-mutt is in full meltdown mode.
Evacuate the board.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 21, 2012, 11:56:04 PM
Can you describe to me how you will show them love as they thrust that knife in you? Will you tell them "I... I.... looove youuu" *drops*

Did the american troops that raped a 14 year old in Iraq and killed her entire family, set the house on fire become 'good'. Was the 14 year old 'showing them love' as they raped her in cold blood and then killed her.

Are you mentally sick?
i have already explained to you. so therefore, let me say this again=

you see if you kill an evil person, they no longer have the chance to become good. but if a good person dies they go to gods kingdom. therefore, let the good die and hope the evil live. for god wants as many souls in his kingdom as possible.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 21, 2012, 11:56:54 PM

There is a difference between initiating violence and defending oneself against someone else who initiated violence against you. In my opinion, defending oneself from attacks that others have initiated is not only perfectly justified but inherently moral.

HOLY COW!!!!

Avxo actually said something that I agree with.  :D


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 21, 2012, 11:57:53 PM
I agree (!!!) with you (at least partly):

There is a difference between initiating violence and defending oneself against someone else who initiated violence against you. In my opinion, defending oneself from attacks that others have initiated is not only perfectly justified but inherently moral.
that belief is only justified if you are an atheist or an agonistic. someone who says they believe in god, believes that there is a heaven for good people, believes that upon death the good are sent to heaven, and believe that life on earth is inferior to life in heaven... one MUST accept that self defense is illogical and should welcome death because it means entrance into heaven.  


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 21, 2012, 11:58:25 PM
i have already explained to you. so therefore, let me say this again=

you see if you kill an evil person, they no longer have the chance to become good. but if a good person dies they go to gods kingdom. therefore, let the good die and hope the evil live. for god wants as many souls in his kingdom as possible.

Makes perfect sense to me, ...if your God is Satan.  :-\


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 21, 2012, 11:58:56 PM
you see if you kill an evil person, they no longer have the chance to become good. but if a good person dies they go to gods kingdom. therefore, let the good die and hope the evil live. for god wants as many souls in his kingdom as possible.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 21, 2012, 11:59:31 PM
i have already explained to you. so therefore, let me say this again=

you see if you kill an evil person, they no longer have the chance to become good. but if a good person dies they go to gods kingdom. therefore, let the good die and hope the evil live. for god wants as many souls in his kingdom as possible.

With all due respect you are mentally sick to respond to what I said the way you just did.

The 14 year old was 'showing love' while she was being raped, and the soldiers killed her entire family and burned her house down. "Encouraging people to be good"

Not gonna respond to your bs no more you are mentally sick.









Interesting article.


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Muslims least likely to have sex outside of marriage: study
by Megan Gannon
Source: livescience.com

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Modesty and gender segregation are typical features of traditional Muslim societies.

Of all the world’s major religious groups, Muslims are the least likely to have sex outside of marriage, new research found. And as a country’s Muslim population grows, the rate of premarital sex declines for all residents, even non-Muslims, according to the study.

Researchers analyzed the responses of over 620,000 people (ages 15-59) who were interviewed as part of the Demographic and Health Surveys in 31 mostly developing nations from 2000 to 2008. Most countries included in the sample had either a Muslim or Christian majority, except India and Nepal, which have Hindu majorities, and Cambodia which has a Buddhist majority. (The United States was not included in the study.)

They found that, overall, the odds of married Muslims reporting premarital sex are 53 percent lower than for Christians. Hindus are 40 percent less likely to report premarital sex, compared with Christians. Meanwhile, Jews and Buddhists have greater chances of having sex before getting hitched than Christians do, according to the study.

The researchers believe these results could be linked to Muslims’ greater adherence to strict religious tenants that only allow sex within marriage. As many Muslim leaders place heavy importance on fidelity in marriage, it might be no surprise that Muslims also are less likely than Hindus, Christians and Jews to report extramarital sex, as the study found.

What’s more, the religious values of a Muslim majority in a country seem to exert a big influence on the wider population’s sexual norms. A 1 percent increase in the percentage of Muslims in a nation caused a 2 percent decrease in the likelihood of premarital sex for all citizens, regardless of their religious identity, the study found. (The researchers note that an increase in the Muslim population in a country did not further reduce the odds of premarital sex among just Muslims.)

“All major world religions discourage sex outside of marriage, but they are not all equally effective in shaping behavior,” wrote the researchers, led by Amy Adamczyk, an associate professor of sociology at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. Their study was published in the October issue of the American Sociological Review.

The team speculated that in Muslim-majority countries, strict laws on women’s mobility and interaction between the sexes might cut down the opportunities for sex outside marriage. But the researchers found no significant relationship between a country’s restrictions on women and the odds of premarital and extramarital sex, suggesting religion plays a greater role than those laws in policing sexual behavior.

The same was true for age. Muslims and Hindus are more likely to have an arranged marriage and to marry younger than Christians and Jews. Though the likelihood of premarital sex increased with age, the study found that age was not a significant factor in driving down rates of premarital sex for these religious groups.

“One of the most surprising findings was that religious affiliations have a real influence on people’s sexual behaviors,” Adamczyk said in a statement. “While a lot of research attention has been given to understanding differences between the major world religions in adherents’ attitudes, much less attention has been given to understanding differences based on behaviors.”

The researchers considered that social pressure could have caused some respondents being interviewed in the Demographic and Health Surveys (funded by USAID) to lie. But the survey mandates that interviewers be the same gender as the respondent and try to conduct the questionnaire in private. The latter is not always possible and interviewers are instructed to note the presence of others. They are also told to flag inconsistent responses (For example, if a respondent says she was a virgin at the time of marriage, but her reported age at first intercourse is younger than her age at marriage, that would get flagged.)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 22, 2012, 12:01:28 AM
Makes perfect sense to me, ...if your God is Satan.  :-\
step into the realm of logic for a second. take as a precept that there is such a place as heaven, that heaven is a place far superior to earth, and that "death" send good people to heaven where they will not perish but live an eternity in happiness.  now, taking that as a precept, death now becomes something you should welcome and you would hope that all the good people die and go to heaven and all the evil people remain alive therefore they have a chance at reforming and getting into heaven.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 22, 2012, 12:02:32 AM
With all due respect you are mentally sick to respond to what I said the way you just did.

The 14 year old was 'showing love' while she was being raped, and the soldiers killed her entire family and burned her house down. "Encouraging people to be good"

Not gonna respond to your bs no more you are mentally sick.
you see if you kill an evil person, they no longer have the chance to become good. but if a good person dies they go to gods kingdom. therefore, let the good die and hope the evil live. for god wants as many souls in his kingdom as possible.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 22, 2012, 12:05:13 AM
What about muhammed who raped a 12yr old? That is ok i presume. A child is a child no matter the era, culture etc. Anyone who makes an excuse about this is probably a pedo himself.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 22, 2012, 12:17:05 AM
Yoohoo ach-mutt......

Are you okay? Please dont cry. We didnt mean to shatter your fantasy world.
There there.

Would you like a hot beverage?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 22, 2012, 12:18:12 AM
you see if you kill an evil person, they no longer have the chance to become good. but if a good person dies they go to gods kingdom. therefore, let the good die and hope the evil live. for god wants as many souls in his kingdom as possible.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 22, 2012, 12:49:55 AM
Tbombz, I understand your logic, ...I, like Ahmed just happen to think you're slightly twisted.

I'm glad you're a Westerner though. If you were born in Afghanistan, or Gaza, I could see your twisted mentality making you a prime candidate for a suicide vest, ...not out of desperation, but thinking you'd be sending good people to God's kingdom.

I'm not trying to be mean, ...that's simply the way you're coming across to me.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 22, 2012, 01:08:05 AM
Well I do not agree with the majority of Tmonz argument here but I do agree with him on this point. If someone is killing you and you accept the sacrifice and show him love upon dying, yes this would be the strongest chance the guy would ever have of regretting his actions and leaving the dark side, I have to agree with him, not something I would do, I would try and kill him and curse him upon dying but that would deminish any form of guilt he had hence eliminating any chance he had of becoming good.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 22, 2012, 01:09:59 AM
Tbombz, I understand your logic, ...I, like Ahmed just happen to think you're slightly twisted.

I'm glad you're a Westerner though. If you were born in Afghanistan, or Gaza, I could see your twisted mentality making you a prime candidate for a suicide vest, ...not out of desperation, but thinking you'd be sending good people to God's kingdom.

I'm not trying to be mean, ...that's simply the way you're coming across to me.
how can you think that a person who rejects religion and advocates pacifism would become a killer in the name of religion? those two things, pacifism without religion and violence in the name of religion, are complete opposites.  i dont think you actually understand how logic works.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 22, 2012, 01:13:35 AM
Well I do not agree with the majority of Tmonz argument here but I do agree with him on this point. If someone is killing you and you accept the sacrifice and show him love upon dying, yes this would be the strongest chance the guy would ever have of regretting his actions and leaving the dark side, I have to agree with him, not something I would do, I would try and kill him and curse him upon dying but that would deminish any form of guilt he had hence eliminating any chance he had of becoming good.
exactly.  you send a bad person to punishment and you postpone your own entrance to gods kingdom. its a horrible decision. much better to allow yourself to be sent into eternal blisss and give that evil person a shot at becoming good before it dies.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 22, 2012, 01:20:23 AM
This thread served it`s purpose and proved to everyone my point about Islamic insecurities ?

You see everyone is debating on the same level and no one feel like they are being hated on except for the Muslims here. Ahmed, every time he is losing an argument he continues to insist that the person arguing with him hates him, like I said Islamic insecurities.

If that did not prove my point then 24k did, this is a person that is insecure and sensitive, she can not take the heat so she is embarrased to be known as a Muslim again Islamic insecurities, she does not want to be attacked for being a Muslim but people here debate they do not attack, Muslim just feel they are being attacked because of Islamic insecurities,

MOS said it best if it smell like poo, looks like poo, feels, like poo then it is poo, so stop lying 24k you are not fooling anyone here you are a Muslim, don`t be ashamed of it.

Like I said before all these people that are calling me out about the Bible are doing so because they believe different then me and they all call the Bible a fairy tale, they all say I am out to lunch, they all think I am crazy and yes they get a rise out of me sometimes, especially avxo  >:(.... however I garauntee that these same people would buy my a drink if I pumped into them in public, they do not hate us for our believe, this is how you debate in the real world, you have to take the hits and not be insecure.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 22, 2012, 01:21:26 AM
exactly.  you send a bad person to punishment and you postpone your own entrance to gods kingdom. its a horrible decision. much better to allow yourself to be sent into eternal blisss and give that evil person a shot at becoming good before it dies.
Sounds silly but this is actually true.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 22, 2012, 01:25:21 AM
Sounds silly but this is actually true.
yup


if you kill an evil person, they no longer have the chance to become good. but if a good person dies they go to gods kingdom. therefore, let the good die and hope the evil live. for god wants as many souls in his kingdom as possible.

 :)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: garebear on October 22, 2012, 01:25:49 AM
Sounds silly but this is actually true.
Would you be a Muslim if you were born in Saudi Arabia?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 22, 2012, 01:26:53 AM
Would you be a Muslim if you were born in Saudi Arabia?

No I would not


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: garebear on October 22, 2012, 01:45:08 AM
Ahmed, is this true?



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 22, 2012, 01:48:22 AM
Well I do not agree with the majority of Tmonz argument here but I do agree with him on this point. If someone is killing you and you accept the sacrifice and show him love upon dying, yes this would be the strongest chance the guy would ever have of regretting his actions and leaving the dark side, I have to agree with him, not something I would do, I would try and kill him and curse him upon dying but that would deminish any form of guilt he had hence eliminating any chance he had of becoming good.

You're working on the premise that the individual TRYING TO KILL YOU has a conscience. I think once a person has graduated to murdering someone, there is very little present in the form of conscience.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 22, 2012, 01:50:20 AM
You're working on the premise that the individual TRYING TO KILL YOU has a conscience. I think once a person has graduated to murdering someone, there is very little present in the form of conscience.
More then likely so but not everyone is like that. Some of the most horrific people ever have turned around.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 22, 2012, 01:54:32 AM
how can you think that a person who rejects religion and advocates pacifism would become a killer in the name of religion?

I didn't say you would become a killer "in the name of religion".
I said I could see you strapping on a suicide vest 'out of some perverse idea of sending people to God's kingdom.

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those two things, pacifism without religion and violence in the name of religion, are complete opposites.  i dont think you actually understand how logic works.

I understand how logic works. I just don't think you understand self-preservation or survival instinct.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 22, 2012, 02:28:36 AM
This thread served it`s purpose and proved to everyone my point about Islamic insecurities ?

You see everyone is debating on the same level and no one feel like they are being hated on except for the Muslims here. Ahmed, every time he is losing an argument he continues to insist that the person arguing with him hates him, like I said Islamic insecurities.

You have got to be kidding me?  ::)

One day, ...provided this thread doesn't get deleted, many of you will look back on this, give your heads a shake, and say "What on earth could I have possibly been thinking?"

Just like I know many of you are concerning the run up to the initial Iraq invasion and the WMDs, your support of The Patriot Act, and your enthusuastic support for the steady destruction and dismantling of America.  :'(  (but that's a whole nother topic.)

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If that did not prove my point then 24k did, this is a person that is insecure and sensitive, she can not take the heat so she is embarrased to be known as a Muslim again Islamic insecurities, she does not want to be attacked for being a Muslim but people here debate they do not attack, Muslim just feel they are being attacked because of Islamic insecurities,

So now, I'm a Muslim? ???   ::)

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MOS said it best if it smell like poo, looks like poo, feels, like poo then it is poo, so stop lying 24k you are not fooling anyone here you are a Muslim, don`t be ashamed of it.

Gee Thanks for pointing that out for me Onetimehard. I shudder to think where I would be without you informing me what my religion is. I would never have known. Do you think you could pop over and help me fill out those pesky little surveys that occasionally pop up from time to time, asking me my opinions on certain subjects? Afterall, you seem to know more about me than I even know about myself.  ::)   ::)

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Like I said before all these people that are calling me out about the Bible are doing so because they believe different then me and they all call the Bible a fairy tale, they all say I am out to lunch, they all think I am crazy and yes they get a rise out of me sometimes, especially avxo  >:(.... however I garauntee that these same people would buy my a drink if I pumped into them in public, they do not hate us for our believe, this is how you debate in the real world, you have to take the hits and not be insecure.

btw: I ate a few cookies today, ...and they were kosher. Does that make me Jewish?  ::)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 22, 2012, 02:36:08 AM
Itès not now you are a Muslim, you where always a  Muslim but to ashamed to admit it.

why in the world would this thread get deleted, why? there you go again Islamic insecurities, now you are talking about threa being deleted cause you view everything as an attack, this tread is not out of bounds. It is not inappropriate so enlighten us why would it get deleted.

Oh and no eating a cookie does not make you Jewish, stop playing dumb you know and everyone knows what you do towards the Muslim religion and how much effort you put on it and how much praise you give Islam, nice comparison with the cookie, wow


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 22, 2012, 02:37:21 AM
More then likely so but not everyone is like that. Some of the most horrific people ever have turned around.

I don't doubt that, ...but I can assure you that turning them around, and appealing to their conscience (if they have any) is not something I would be doing as AS THEY WERE TRYING TO KILL ME, and it certainly wouldn't be anything I'd be advocating.

I'm of the belief that the surest way to conquer an enemy, ...is to make them your friend,
...but I wouldn't be doing that AS THEY WERE TRYING TO KILL ME

I'm of the opinion that appeals to conscience can indeed be made. And when one sees an opening to do so, by all means, appeal to that spark of conscience trying to ignite. I just don't see the moment of your potential murder as one of those times. Call me foolish.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 22, 2012, 02:40:15 AM
I don't doubt that, ...but I can assure you that turning them around, and appealing to their conscience (if they have any) is not something I would be doing as AS THEY WERE TRYING TO KILL ME, and it certainly wouldn't be anything I'd be advocating.

I'm of the belief that the surest way to conquer an enemy, ...is to make them your friend,
...but I wouldn't be doing that AS THEY WERE TRYING TO KILL ME

I'm of the opinion that appeals to conscience can indeed be made. And when one sees an opening to do so, by all means, appeal to that spark of conscience trying to ignite. I just don't see the moment of your potential murder as one of those times. Call me foolish.
Did you not read my post? I said I would not do this either. Almost no one would, it takes a special strong individual of a different and higher moral caliber then you or I to do this.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 22, 2012, 02:42:38 AM
This thread served it`s purpose and proved to everyone my point about Islamic insecurities ?

You see everyone is debating on the same level and no one feel like they are being hated on except for the Muslims here. Ahmed, every time he is losing an argument he continues to insist that the person arguing with him hates him, like I said Islamic insecurities.

If that did not prove my point then 24k did, this is a person that is insecure and sensitive, she can not take the heat so she is embarrased to be known as a Muslim again Islamic insecurities, she does not want to be attacked for being a Muslim but people here debate they do not attack, Muslim just feel they are being attacked because of Islamic insecurities,

MOS said it best if it smell like poo, looks like poo, feels, like poo then it is poo, so stop lying 24k you are not fooling anyone here you are a Muslim, don`t be ashamed of it.

Like I said before all these people that are calling me out about the Bible are doing so because they believe different then me and they all call the Bible a fairy tale, they all say I am out to lunch, they all think I am crazy and yes they get a rise out of me sometimes, especially avxo  >:(.... however I garauntee that these same people would buy my a drink if I pumped into them in public, they do not hate us for our believe, this is how you debate in the real world, you have to take the hits and not be insecure.

Exactly.

Whenever religious debates are with christians or any other religioneveryone gets the plot. We agree to disagree. Nothing personal lets get a beer afterwards.
Achmutt on the other hand is a different story. The guy seems to have a stick lodged up his ass. He has no debating skills and as you said screams islamphobe whenever he starts losing.. From what ive read so far he seems to lose a lot. I was exchanging posts with him and whenever he lost a point he'd jump to something else to see if that works in his favor.loses again..another topic.   I saw a few of the pot shots hes taking at you guys and christianity.  Im amazed at your restraint and the fact that you chose to keep it civilized.
I dont think he is a convert. He was born into islam. Ive seen that tactic used by quite a few muslims on the internet. Pretend to be white christian who found islam assuming that lends more weight to his arguement.

Boom
Islamic insecurities.



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 22, 2012, 02:47:37 AM


So now, I'm a Muslim? ???   ::)


So what religion are you then?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 22, 2012, 02:48:15 AM
Itès not now you are a Muslim, you where always a  Muslim but to ashamed to admit it.

I don't know if you're seriously this delusional, ...or if you're just trying to pull my leg. ???  :-\

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why in the world would this thread get deleted, why? there you go again Islamic insecurities, now you are talking about threa being deleted cause you view everything as an attack, this tread is not out of bounds. It is not inappropriate so enlighten us why would it get deleted.

LOL, How long have you been posting to GetBig. There have been a ton of threads that mysteriously go missing for no good reason. For a hile there, ...a whole boatload of them went missing with no explanations as to why.

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Oh and no eating a cookie does not make you Jewish, stop playing dumb you know and everyone knows what you do towards the Muslim religion and how much effort you put on it and how much praise you give Islam, nice comparison with the cookie, wow

ROTFLOL, ... umm, would you care to tell me what it is I do towards the Muslim religion?
Care to tell me how much effort I put on it, and how much praise I give to Islam?
'cause if being a muslim is this easy, ...sign me up.  :P


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 22, 2012, 02:52:18 AM
Exactly.

Whenever religious debates are with christians or any other religioneveryone gets the plot. We agree to disagree. Nothing personal lets get a beer afterwards.
Achmutt on the other hand is a different story. The guy seems to have a stick lodged up his ass. He has no debating skills and as you said screams islamphobe whenever he starts losing.. From what ive read so far he seems to lose a lot. I was exchanging posts with him and whenever he lost a point he'd jump to something else to see if that works in his favor.loses again..another topic.   I saw a few of the pot shots hes taking at you guys and christianity.  Im amazed at your restraint and the fact that you chose to keep it civilized.
I dont think he is a convert. He was born into islam. Ive seen that tactic used by quite a few muslims on the internet. Pretend to be white christian who found islam assuming that lends more weight to his arguement.

Boom
Islamic insecurities.


Bingo on exposing the Muslim tactic used so often now, pretending that they are converts. why we are really going to believe someone with the name Ahmed was not originally a Muslim, rotfl.






Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 22, 2012, 02:57:26 AM
I don't know if you're seriously this delusional, ...or if you're just trying to pull my leg. ???  :-\

LOL, How long have you been posting to GetBig. There have been a ton of threads that mysteriously go missing for no good reason. For a hile there, ...a whole boatload of them went missing with no explanations as to why.

ROTFLOL, ... umm, would you care to tell me what it is I do towards the Muslim religion?
Care to tell me how much effort I put on it, and how much praise I give to Islam?
'cause if being a muslim is this easy, ...sign me up.  :P
Clever girl here. You where wishing this thread would get deleted cause you guys are being exposed that is why you wrote that comment about the threat might be deleted. There is no reason at all for this thread to be deleted. You just can not take it so you are probably going to go crying to the mods

Ya I do care to tell you what you do, but it is not necessary, just scroll down the last 10 pages of your post history and you will realize how much ass kissing you do towards a religion you claim is not your own.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 22, 2012, 02:59:46 AM
Exactly.

Whenever religious debates are with christians or any other religioneveryone gets the plot. We agree to disagree. Nothing personal lets get a beer afterwards.
Achmutt on the other hand is a different story. The guy seems to have a stick lodged up his ass. He has no debating skills and as you said screams islamphobe whenever he starts losing.. From what ive read so far he seems to lose a lot. I was exchanging posts with him and whenever he lost a point he'd jump to something else to see if that works in his favor.loses again..another topic.   I saw a few of the pot shots hes taking at you guys and christianity.  Im amazed at your restraint and the fact that you chose to keep it civilized.
I dont think he is a convert. He was born into islam. Ive seen that tactic used by quite a few muslims on the internet. Pretend to be white christian who found islam assuming that lends more weight to his arguement.

Boom
Islamic insecurities.


You call the guy Achmutt, say he's got a stick up his ass, ...but nothing personal?
You've got to be kidding me? You guys have got to be seriously delusional, ...or purposely trolling for shits & giggles. Unbelievable!  ::)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 22, 2012, 03:02:13 AM
Bingo on exposing the Muslim tactic used so often now, pretending that they are converts. why we are really going to believe someone with the name Ahmed was not originally a Muslim, rotfl.

Why is that so hard to believe? Didn't Cat Stevens change his name?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 22, 2012, 03:03:00 AM
You call the guy Achmutt, say he's got a stick up his ass, ...but nothing personal?
You've got to be kidding me? You guys have got to be seriously delusional, ...or purposely trolling for shits & giggles. Unbelievable!  ::)
OK calling him something other then his name maybe a little out of line but not saying he has something up his butt, that part is metaphorical, it means he is always grumpy, nothing wrong with saying that.

But who cares this is a forum a little roughness here and there is expected.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 22, 2012, 03:04:09 AM
Bingo on exposing the Muslim tactic used so often now, pretending that they are converts. Y we are really going to believe someone with the name Ahmed was not originally a Muslim, ronfl.






It would be fine if he was at least a moderate muslim but based on all his posts he's zealot. Doesnt consider anyone elses viewpoint other than his own. Whenever someone makes a valid arguement he dismisses it becuase it doesnt conform to his narrow worldview.  





Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 22, 2012, 03:06:18 AM
Why is that so hard to believe? Didn't Cat Stevens change his name?
Stop playing dumb and insulting our intelligents, I have known 200 Ahmeds and they where all Muslims. If someone names their child Ahmed there is 1 and a million chances that they are not Muslim, you need to wake up.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 22, 2012, 03:07:28 AM
Clever girl here. You where wishing this thread would get deleted cause you guys are being exposed that is why you wrote that comment about the threat might be deleted. There is no reason at all for this thread to be deleted. You just can not take it so you are probably going to go crying to the mods

Ya I do care to tell you what you do, but it is not necessary, just scroll down the last 10 pages of your post history and you will realize how much ass kissing you do towards a religion you claim is not your own.

Ass kissing?  Discussion or conversation without attack is now referred to as ass-kissing?
Good grief!!! Now I've heard it all.  ::)   ::)

I suppose one good thing has come out of this, ...it appears that after all these years, I've finally developed the ability to kiss ass.  ::) I swear if I roll my eyes anymore, I'm gonna get dizzy.



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 22, 2012, 03:07:37 AM
You call the guy Achmutt, say he's got a stick up his ass, ...but nothing personal?
You've got to be kidding me? You guys have got to be seriously delusional, ...or purposely trolling for shits & giggles. Unbelievable!  ::)

Still waiting for you to mention what religion you hail from.

No it isnt personal. I dont know achmutt but he threw a few insults my way so its all fair game now.

 As for the stick comment. ::) maybe you'd like to scream islamphobe too?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 22, 2012, 03:10:20 AM
Ass kissing?  Discussion or conversation without attack is now referred to as ass-kissing?
Good grief!!! Now I've heard it all.  ::)   ::)

I suppose one good thing has come out of this, ...it appears that after all these years, I've finally developed the ability to kiss ass.  ::) I swear if I roll my eyes anymore, I'm gonna get dizzy.


Call it whatever you want but every other post from you, is Muslim is so great this, ..... Muslim is so great that,..... not hard to see, just ask everyone here if one person disagree with me I will take all my comments back.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 22, 2012, 03:11:31 AM
OK calling him something other then his name maybe a little out of line but not saying he has something up his butt, that part is metaphorical, it means he is always grumpy, nothing wrong with saying that.

But who cares this is a forum a little roughness here and there is expected.

There ya go 24kt.  He explained it much nicer than i would have.

Still avoiding the "what religion are you?  question
 
 


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on October 22, 2012, 03:15:22 AM
Muslims have a lot to learn about Western Men!

lol at learn from western men.

Ever notice how Muslims like A_ahmed selectively change things to suit their own agenda, A-Ahmed changed what I stated so as to mean something completely different, he then went on to write another bible about how disgusting he found men from the west.  This is the issue right here, a Muslim can never be trusted to understand or translate basic common knowledge, they will lie, twist and distort information and ram it through an Islamic filter that ensures whatever purity or goodness the wisdom held is corrupted and tainted by their Muslim Interpretation.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 22, 2012, 03:18:44 AM
Ever notice how Muslims like A_ahmed selectively change things to suit their own agenda, A-Ahmed wrote a bible on something I stated and he then changed to suit his own interpretation,.

He did something similar when posting against me. He mentioned its late at night in canada and why am i up posting i responded back that its daylight where im posting from and then asked HIM why HE'S up early morning and he became very defensive claiming he can stay up whenever he wants blah blah. The guy is pure comedy.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 22, 2012, 03:20:19 AM
Still waiting 24kt.

No response on what religion( or lack of )you hail from since you claim you're not muslim.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 22, 2012, 03:24:06 AM
So what religion are you then?

I don't believe in "organized religion". I do however try to respect the beliefs of those who do.
I am very spiritual, and believe there is no "religion" higher than truth.
I have yet to find a "religion" that has the market cornered on truth.
There are truths to be found in all religions.
I think someone took an adverb "religiously" and made it into a noun "religion", ...and it stuck.

My beliefs are personal & private, but more importantly difficult for me to articulate.
They do not fit neatly within a box. And just because my personal beliefs or lifestyle may co-incide with the teachings of certain religions, or because certain aspects of certain religions may resonate as truth to me, does not make me a follower of that religion. Even followers of the Flying Spaghetti monster get a few things right on occasion. I mean, who can argue against al dente, or extra sauce?  :P


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 22, 2012, 03:29:29 AM
pI don't believe in "organized religion". I do however try to respect the beliefs of those who do.
I am very spiritual, and believe there is no "religion" higher than truth.
I have yet to find a "religion" that has the market cornered on truth.
There are truths to be found in all religions.
I think someone took an adverb "religiously" and made it into a noun "religion", ...and it stuck.

My beliefs are personal & private, but more importantly difficult for me to articulate.
They do not fit neatly within a box. And just because my personal beliefs or lifestyle may co-incide with the teachings of certain religions, or because certain aspects of certain religions may resonate as truth to me, does not make me a follower of that religion. Even followers of the Flying Spaghetti monster get a few things right on occasion. I mean, who can argue against al dente, or extra sauce?  :P

What the???
Lets try this again what religion did you start out as?
Are you saying you're an agnostic?

Since you mentioned it - you agree that islam doesnt exactly have a monopoly on the truth as achmutt claims.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 22, 2012, 03:30:01 AM
OK calling him something other then his name maybe a little out of line

LOL  ya think?

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but not saying he has something up his butt, that part is metaphorical, it means he is always grumpy, nothing wrong with saying that.

But who cares this is a forum a little roughness here and there is expected.

Oh yes, I forgot, ...we are surrounded with alpha males.  ::)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on October 22, 2012, 03:32:09 AM
I don't believe in "organized religion". I do however try to respect the beliefs of those who do.
I am very spiritual, and believe there is no "religion" higher than truth.
I have yet to find a "religion" that has the market cornered on truth.
There are truths to be found in all religions.
I think someone took an adverb "religiously" and made it into a noun "religion", ...and it stuck.

My beliefs are personal & private, but more importantly difficult for me to articulate.
They do not fit neatly within a box. And just because my personal beliefs or lifestyle may co-incide with the teachings of certain religions, or because certain aspects of certain religions may resonate as truth to me, does not make me a follower of that religion. Even followers of the Flying Spaghetti monster get a few things right on occasion. I mean, who can argue against al dente, or extra sauce?  :P

Truth doesn’t exist in any objective sense but is created rather than discovered.… Truth is “created by the specific culture and exists only in that culture. Therefore, any system or statement that tries to communicate truth is a power play, an effort to dominate other cultures.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 22, 2012, 03:39:36 AM
Stop playing dumb and insulting our intelligents, I have known 200 Ahmeds and they where all Muslims. If someone names their child Ahmed there is 1 and a million chances that they are not Muslim, you need to wake up.

ummm... but according to him, that was not his given name.
It was the name he chose for himself AFTER conversion.

It is really a silly argument or point to try to make anyway. It's not like whether he converted from Christianity or simply was born into Islam is relevant in any way. The fact remains he is a muslim and believes wholeheartedly in his faith, whether adopted or inherited. What I find so fascinating is people's desire to attack his religion.

But then again, what can one expect from the very title of this board "Religious Debates"?  :-\

Rather than "Religious Discussion" That subtle connotation right there sets the stage for confrontational attack of people's beliefs rather than discussion to understand such beliefs.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 22, 2012, 03:42:02 AM
Call it whatever you want but every other post from you, is Muslim is so great this, ..... Muslim is so great that,..... not hard to see, just ask everyone here if one person disagree with me I will take all my comments back.

I disagree with you


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 22, 2012, 03:43:56 AM
There ya go 24kt.  He explained it much nicer than i would have.

Still avoiding the "what religion are you?  question
 

Chill out. I'm not avoiding anything. I'm just a little further behind in the thread than you.
I only just recently saw your original posing of the question and answered it.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 22, 2012, 03:51:30 AM
ummm... but according to him, that was not his given name.
It was the name he chose for himself AFTER conversion.

It is really a silly argument or point to try to make anyway. It's not like whether he converted from Christianity or simply was born into Islam is relevant in any way. The fact remains he is a muslim and believes wholeheartedly in his faith, whether adopted or inherited. What I find so fascinating is people's desire to attack his religion.

But then again, what can one expect from the very title of this board "Religious Debates"?  :-\

Rather than "Religious Discussion" That subtle connotation right there sets the stage for confrontational attack of people's beliefs rather than discussion to understand such beliefs.

After reading his past posts i doubt he started out as anything other than a muslim. Its. A tried and true tactic among muslim posters to play the conversion game when promoting their religion. A bulk of achbutt's debates  ( the name. I chose for him) are underhanded attacks on the christians on this board while skipping over attrocities created by islamists. In fact he defended the talibans actions to destroy buddhist statues.  He's already made insulting remarks towards buddhism and hindus. I dont see you criticizing that but you jump in whenever critical statements are made towards him or islam. Hmm...


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: garebear on October 22, 2012, 04:36:38 AM
It always surprises me to see a woman to defend Islam.

It makes me wonder if the woman is ignorant of the facts or hates other women and also believes they should serve men.



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Thick Nick on October 22, 2012, 06:30:55 AM
Muslims are so used to standing over women and associating with like minded men, the only way they know how to respond to Men of different cultures and beliefs is to treat them the way they treat their women, by trying to subordinate, control and dominate them.  Muslims have a lot to learn about Western Men, this attitude won't fly, and they are heading for a downfall.

You forgot me. I am offended.

And oh yeah... Islam is a sick death cult. Mohammed is a pig eating child rapist, and the Koran makes good toilet paper. Hope this helps.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Thick Nick on October 22, 2012, 06:33:24 AM
You forgot me. I am offended.

And oh yeah... Islam is a sick death cult. Mohammed is a pig eating child rapist, and the Koran makes good toilet paper. Hope this helps.


Bah wrong text got quoted... O well. Fuck off Ahmed lol.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: bigbobs on October 22, 2012, 09:28:10 AM
After reading his past posts i doubt he started out as anything other than a muslim. Its. A tried and true tactic among muslim posters to play the conversion game when promoting their religion. A bulk of achbutt's debates  ( the name. I chose for him) are underhanded attacks on the christians on this board while skipping over attrocities created by islamists. In fact he defended the talibans actions to destroy buddhist statues.  He's already made insulting remarks towards buddhism and hindus. I dont see you criticizing that but you jump in whenever critical statements are made towards him or islam. Hmm...

What about his posts makes you doubt that he was not born a Muslim?  I know many Muslims who were both born into Muslim families and those who were not, and those who convert are almost always more vocal about their beliefs, appear more devout, and are more passionate about their faith than the average Muslim who was taught the religion from their parents.  Makes sense too - because it's easier for one to follow a faith that is taught to them from childhood, whereas it takes someone with greater devotion to switch faiths at a later date in life, and those who have greater devotion are generally more vocal.  It's similar to how a "born again Chrsitian" is generally stronger in their faith prior to their declaration.

Therefore based on a_ahmed's posts I'm MORE inclined to believe that yes he is a convert than someone born a Muslim like myself.

Also, I've NEVER seen another Muslim lie and claim to be a convert to promote Islam, in response to you claiming this is a "tried and true tactic" lol  ::)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: bigbobs on October 22, 2012, 09:31:30 AM
It always surprises me to see a woman to defend Islam.

It makes me wonder if the woman is ignorant of the facts or hates other women and also believes they should serve men.



None of the above - it's you who are ignorant of the facts, which is why you're surprised to see women defend Islam.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pulling weight on October 22, 2012, 11:35:03 AM
The pedophile Muhammad is burning in hell


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 22, 2012, 12:53:19 PM
In fact he defended the talibans actions to destroy buddhist statues.  He's already made insulting remarks towards buddhism and hindus. I dont see you criticizing that but you jump in whenever critical statements are made towards him or islam. Hmm...

I haven't seen where he made insulting remarks towards buddhism or hinduism.

I also did not see where he defended the talibans actions to destroy buddhist statues.
I would love to see how someone could possibly defend such a position myself.

I don't have a problem with critical statements, but I see many statements not so much as critical or criticism, but rather ignorant attacks.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 22, 2012, 12:56:30 PM
It always surprises me to see a woman to defend Islam.

Oh hunnybunny I'm full of surprises.  :-*

Quote
It makes me wonder if the woman is ignorant of the facts or hates other women and also believes they should serve men.


 :o  Oh Wow, ...what a choice! How about none of the above. lol

Moi, ...thinking women should serve men?  You soooo do not know me at all.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 22, 2012, 01:09:39 PM
What about his posts makes you doubt that he was not born a Muslim?  I know many Muslims who were both born into Muslim families and those who were not, and those who convert are almost always more vocal about their beliefs, appear more devout, and are more passionate about their faith than the average Muslim who was taught the religion from their parents.  Makes sense too - because it's easier for one to follow a faith that is taught to them from childhood, whereas it takes someone with greater devotion to switch faiths at a later date in life, and those who have greater devotion are generally more vocal.  It's similar to how a "born again Chrsitian" is generally stronger in their faith prior to their declaration.

Therefore based on a_ahmed's posts I'm MORE inclined to believe that yes he is a convert than someone born a Muslim like myself.

Also, I've NEVER seen another Muslim lie and claim to be a convert to promote Islam, in response to you claiming this is a "tried and true tactic" lol  ::)

EXACTLY!!!

There used to be a Portuguese / West Indian Bakery I loved to go to. It was a family owned business. The wife was Portuguese, her husband was Trinidadian, and both were Catholics. Their kids were raised in a Catholic household. One of their daughters however chose to convert to Islam at 16. It was no fad for her. She was full on devout, the whole nine yards. Wore the hijab / niqab. She was more observant of Islamic traditions than most of the muslim girls I've seen who were born into Islam


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Man of Steel on October 22, 2012, 02:42:09 PM
EXACTLY!!!

There used to be a Portuguese / West Indian Bakery I loved to go to. It was a family owned business. The wife was Portuguese, her husband was Trinidadian, and both were Catholics. Their kids were raised in a Catholic household. One of their daughters however chose to convert to Islam at 16. It was no fad for her. She was full on devout, the whole nine yards. Wore the hijab / niqab. She was more observant of Islamic traditions than most of the muslim girls I've seen who were born into Islam

Some people are born into relgious customs and some people adopt them purely on their own.   It occurs in Christianity, the catholic church, Islam, Satanism.  Some also folks are also Christians that become Muslims, Muslims that become atheists, atheists that become Christians, etc....


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 22, 2012, 02:59:37 PM
I didn't say you would become a killer "in the name of religion".
I said I could see you strapping on a suicide vest 'out of some perverse idea of sending people to God's kingdom.

I understand how logic works. I just don't think you understand self-preservation or survival instinct.
dude. killing people because you are trying to send them to god is the same thing as killing in the name of religion. i am advocating pacifism even in the face of death and your somehow trying to correlate that with murder in the name of god. the two are complete opposites.

self preservation/survival instinct are pragmatic, practical ways to deal with uncertainty about death. we arent sure if there is life after death, and thus we want to preserve the life we have here on earth. this is inherently contradictory to a belief in god and an afterlife.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 22, 2012, 03:01:57 PM
Truth doesn’t exist in any objective sense but is created rather than discovered.… Truth is “created by the specific culture and exists only in that culture. Therefore, any system or statement that tries to communicate truth is a power play, an effort to dominate other cultures.
your advocating a religious view. its very well possible that truth exists.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: bigbobs on October 22, 2012, 03:16:32 PM
True but fixed for clarity/completeness ;)

Some people are born into relgious customs and some people adopt them purely on their own.   It occurs in Christianity, the catholic church, Islam, Satanism.  Some also folks are also Christians that become Muslims, Muslims that become atheists, atheists that become Christians, etc....however more often are non-Muslims converting to Islam than to any other religion in the world, even confirmed by the Guiness Book of World Records


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 22, 2012, 03:54:10 PM
people who seek a religion are usually uncomfortable with living in uncertainty, and thus the more direction a religion provides (the less that is left up to personal choice) the more desirable the religion appears to those who seek to eliminate uncertainty from their life. thus islam, a religion which offers its adherents strict guidelines for most every facet of their behavior, is a religion that has great appeal to those who seek religion.

afterall, when muhammad started the religion he said the reason was because the tenants of christianity were far too lax. simply loving everyone and everything isnt enough, said muhammad. a person also needed to follow a bunch of strict laws that govern everything from the food you eat, the way you dress,  to the manner in which you pray, and so on.

its really just a bunch of bullshit. and the fact the guy led armies in battle should be plenty to convince anyone with a decent capacity for reason that he was in no way a holy man.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 22, 2012, 04:15:47 PM
people who seek a religion are usually uncomfortable with living in uncertainty, and thus the more direction a religion provides (the less that is left up to personal choice) the more desirable the religion appears to those who seek to eliminate uncertainty from their life. thus islam, a religion which offers its adherents strict guidelines for most every facet of their behavior, is a religion that has great appeal to those who seek religion.

afterall, when muhammad started the religion he said the reason was because the tenants of christianity were far too lax. simply loving everyone and everything isnt enough, said muhammad. a person also needed to follow a bunch of strict laws that govern everything from the food you eat, the way you dress,  to the manner in which you pray, and so on.

its really just a bunch of bullshit. and the fact the guy led armies in battle should be plenty to convince anyone with a decent capacity for reason that he was in no way a holy man.

Please provide your evidence, since you are so knowledgeable.

As a person who spent much time studying islam prior to embracing it, I have yet to come across such facts :) Really curious where you get your knowledge from


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on October 22, 2012, 06:40:51 PM
your advocating a religious view. its very well possible that truth exists.
Quite possibly, but I think truth will always involve paradox, like "Truth doesn't exist, and this is the truth".  Truth implies perfection, and perfection doesn't exist, you may be able to get close to the truth, this is all one can do, since their is no absolute truth.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Man of Steel on October 22, 2012, 07:02:28 PM
No, I'm not offended or insulted by verses you post from the bible or the quaran, I've been insulted by your potshots and insults.  bigbobs hasn't insulted me and he's a muslim.

I haven't posted any images of Muhammad.

I also addressed this verse in a previous post in another thread:

I agree with your last sentence.

I still want ahmed to show me the vile images of Muhammed that I have posted.  No, I challenge ahmed to find any vile images I've posted.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Man of Steel on October 22, 2012, 07:08:51 PM
True but fixed for clarity/completeness ;)


So true and justified by scripture.  The world will increasingly stand against Christians and Islam is strongly opposed to Christianity with growing numbers as you said....believe me, Christians are aware and were aware of this fact approximately 400 years before Muhammad and scribes wrote the first verse of the Quaran.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: garebear on October 22, 2012, 10:45:02 PM
None of the above - it's you who are ignorant of the facts, which is why you're surprised to see women defend Islam.
What's the preferred way to murder a woman if she gets raped and brings shame on your family, stoning or beheading?



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on October 22, 2012, 11:08:42 PM
Bingo on exposing the Muslim tactic used so often now, pretending that they are converts. why we are really going to believe someone with the name Ahmed was not originally a Muslim, rotfl.






Many people who revert to islam do change there name to a arab name. You dont have to and not many do, but doesnt mean ahmed is lying.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on October 22, 2012, 11:14:45 PM
I haven't seen where he made insulting remarks towards buddhism or hinduism.

I also did not see where he defended the talibans actions to destroy buddhist statues.
I would love to see how someone could possibly defend such a position myself.

I don't have a problem with critical statements, but I see many statements not so much as critical or criticism, but rather ignorant attacks.

This taliban destroying of budda temple, if im correct, was done years before sept 11. From my understanding of why the taliban did destroy the buddah statues etc, they had a couple of NGO's and businesses who wanted to spend millions to fix up and repair the budda statues, they were in bad condition even before the taliban touched them.The taliban said to them, the people and kids of afghanistan are dying, the live in poverty, no food, shelter, etc, and you want to spend millions  to repair statues when the money could come to better use.

At the end, the taliban destroyed them afetr negotiations crumbled.



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 22, 2012, 11:23:56 PM
This taliban destroying of budda temple, if im correct, was done years before sept 11. From my understanding of why the taliban did destroy the buddah statues etc, they had a couple of NGO's and businesses who wanted to spend millions to fix up and repair the budda statues, they were in bad condition even before the taliban touched them.The taliban said to them, the people and kids of afghanistan are dying, the live in poverty, no food, shelter, etc, and you want to spend millions  to repair statues when the money could come to better use.

At the end, the taliban destroyed them afetr negotiations crumbled.

No, the Taliban destroyed them – priceless historical artifacts – after they declared them idols.

As for the other nonsense: Even if hundreds of thousands of little kids died of hunger every day, what does that have to do with the statues in question? And do you have any credible evidence that the Taliban's concern was with the poor, hungry children and not with destroying what they perceived as an idol because of their religious beliefs?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: bigbobs on October 22, 2012, 11:26:38 PM
This taliban destroying of budda temple, if im correct, was done years before sept 11. From my understanding of why the taliban did destroy the buddah statues etc, they had a couple of NGO's and businesses who wanted to spend millions to fix up and repair the budda statues, they were in bad condition even before the taliban touched them.The taliban said to them, the people and kids of afghanistan are dying, the live in poverty, no food, shelter, etc, and you want to spend millions  to repair statues when the money could come to better use.

At the end, the taliban destroyed them afetr negotiations crumbled.



Great recollection!  They even first asked the NGO to donate towards their people in poverty instead of the statues, to which they declined.  They then destroyed the statues out of feeling insulted that some were actually more inclined to spend on lifeless statues over starving humans.  But the media made it look like "those extreeeemist mozlemzzz!!" Lol.  Also note the taliban were in power for years before the statue destruction. If they destroyed it due to ideology they would not have waited until the NGO contraversy


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: bigbobs on October 22, 2012, 11:29:33 PM
What's the preferred way to murder a woman if she gets raped and brings shame on your family, stoning or beheading?



I would have answered your question but you forgot to include "thanks, bro" at the end


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on October 22, 2012, 11:30:16 PM
No, the Taliban destroyed them – priceless historical artifacts – after they declared them idols.

As for the other nonsense: Even if hundreds of thousands of little kids died of hunger every day, what does that have to do with the statues in question? And do you have any credible evidence that the Taliban's concern was with the poor, hungry children and not with destroying what they perceived as an idol because of their religious beliefs?


Big bob has explained it further. Beleive what you want.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on October 22, 2012, 11:34:59 PM
Great recollection!  They even first asked the NGO to donate towards their people in poverty instead of the statues, to which they declined.  They then destroyed the statues out of feeling insulted that some were actually more inclined to spend on lifeless statues over starving humans.  But the media made it look like "those extreeeemist mozlemzzz!!" Lol.  Also note the taliban were in power for years before the statue destruction. If they destroyed it due to ideology they would not have waited until the NGO contraversy

whats even funny is that after the taliban destroyed the statues  pre sept 11, various heads of the taliban were invited to america to give talk to students, visited nasa, visited washington, visited gas companies, etc etc.The irony.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: bigbobs on October 22, 2012, 11:43:54 PM
whats even funny is that after the taliban destroyed the statues  pre sept 11, various heads of the taliban were invited to america to give talk to students, visited nasa, visited washington, visited gas companies, etc etc.The irony.

Yup because of the pipeline interest :)

Or of course avxo is right and we are wrong because Fox News told him the Taliban destroyed the buddas due to ideology lol


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 22, 2012, 11:48:03 PM
Big bob has explained it further. Beleive what you want.

The facts speak for themselves and belief is not required.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 22, 2012, 11:53:43 PM
Great recollection!  They even first asked the NGO to donate towards their people in poverty instead of the statues, to which they declined.  They then destroyed the statues out of feeling insulted that some were actually more inclined to spend on lifeless statues over starving humans.  But the media made it look like "those extreeeemist mozlemzzz!!" Lol.  Also note the taliban were in power for years before the statue destruction. If they destroyed it due to ideology they would not have waited until the NGO contraversy

Let's assume that is true - it's not, but lets assume it... does that excuse the destruction of priceless historical artifacts? Did destroying the statues help their cause to feed those poor, hungry children? Could it possibly help in any way? Frankly what you say paints the Taliban in a far worse light than destroying the statues because of sincerely held religious beliefs: it paints them as thugs, who, failing to get protection money from the corner store bust the merchandise.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 22, 2012, 11:58:15 PM
Yup because of the pipeline interest :)

Or of course avxo is right and we are wrong because Fox News told him the Taliban destroyed the buddas due to ideology lol

No - Muhammad Omar and his government told us that. Quite clearly. Besides, as I said before, if they destroyed the statues for the reason you give that's even worse. Either way, they proved themselves to be nothing but petty, stupid men. That you defend their action speaks volumes about you.

P.S.: I don't get my news from Fox News anymore than you get yours from them.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: bigbobs on October 23, 2012, 12:07:43 AM
No - Muhammad Omar and his government told us that. Quite clearly. Besides, as I said before, if they destroyed the statues for the reason you give that's even worse. Either way, they proved themselves to be nothing but petty, stupid men. That you defend their action speaks volumes about you.
P.S.: I don't get my news from Fox News anymore than you get yours from them.

Show me the post where I defended their actions?  Either you're a liar or just plain stupid, take your pick.  Either case you don't look good ;)

Anyway, short history lesson for you:  Taliban came into power in 1996.  Buddas were destroyed in 2001.  If it were ideology based, why the five year gap?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 23, 2012, 12:25:15 AM
Show me the post where I defended their actions?  Either you're a liar or just plain stupid, take your pick.  Either case you don't look good ;)

Isn't coming up with excuses about why their act was sensible defending them? What? It's not?! Oh, alright then.


Anyway, short history lesson for you:  Taliban came into power in 1996.  Buddas were destroyed in 2001.  If it were ideology based, why the five year gap?

While I appreciate history lessons one wasn't necessary, as I am aware or the timeline.

As for the gap, I don't know; what I do know is that Omar issued a decree ordering the statues destroyed in March of 2001. The reason he gave was that they were idols. Perhaps that's not the real reason, but I can't read minds and have no reason to think he would lie.

Besides, if his concern was with feeding the poor, hungry little children how would his order and he subsequent destruction of the statues further that goal? What was the reasoning behind it?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: bigbobs on October 23, 2012, 12:47:43 AM
Isn't coming up with excuses about why their act was sensible defending them? What? It's not?! Oh, alright then.

No, reiterating their reason for the act is neither coming up with excuses nor defending them. Was simply clarifying that the motivating factor was not ideology. So based on your response, of the two possible options I outlined of you either being a liar or stupid, turns out you're the latter.

While I appreciate history lessons one wasn't necessary, as I am aware or the timeline.

As for the gap, I don't know;

Exactly, you don't know, which is why I informed you

Besides, if his concern was with feeding the poor, hungry little children how would his order and he subsequent destruction of the statues further that goal? What was the reasoning behind it?

Wtf where did I say their goal of destroying the statues was to feed the poor? That ddoesnt even make sense. I said it was simply an act resulting from them feeling insulted, ie an emotional decision.  Your lack of reading comprehension never ceases to amaze me.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on October 23, 2012, 01:01:25 AM
I respect any religion that upholds good values, including good values in Islam, but the problem for me is Mohammed the writer of the Islamic holy books is a pedophile who was INSPIRED to write his holy texts when in the company of his child bride.  This is a known Islamic fact.  I mean how can you respect a religion which stems from this?

And I have actually had discussion with a Muslim chick who thinks it is cool that Mohammed had sex with a preteen kid.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 23, 2012, 01:06:04 AM
No, reiterating their reason for the act is neither coming up with excuses nor defending them. Was simply clarifying that the motivating factor was not ideology. So based on your response, of the two possible options I outlined of you either being a liar or stupid, turns out you're the latter.

Exactly, you don't know, which is why I informed you.

Your information contradicts what Omar very specifically stated. Unless you have some special, mystical insight into his mind, I would tend to consider Omar a more authoritative source on what Omar thought.


what I do know is that Omar issued a decree ordering the statues destroyed in March of 2001. The reason he gave was that they were idols. Perhaps that's not the real reason, but I can't read minds and have no reason to think he would lie.

Wtf where did I say their goal of destroying the statues was to feed the poor? That ddoesnt even make sense. I said it was simply an act resulting from them feeling insulted, ie an emotional decision.  Your lack of reading comprehension never ceases to amaze me.

It just seems very... I don't know... childish? Almost like a kid crying and yelling "If you won't give me candy I'll break my toy!"

But let's say that it's true; he was so offended that children starved (something which I consider very unlikely, but let's not dwell on that) that his anger got the better of him and he ordered the destruction of the idols publicly.  How long did he stay angry for? The destruction didn't occur overnight, after all.

One way or the other, it makes no difference. the act resulted in the destruction of a unique site of historical importance not just to the Afghans but to the world. Does it matter what the particular justification was? I don't think so.




Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on October 23, 2012, 01:44:24 AM
I respect any religion that upholds good values, including good values in Islam, but the problem for me is Mohammed the writer of the Islamic holy books is a pedophile who was INSPIRED to write his holy texts when in the company of his child bride.  This is a known Islamic fact.  I mean how can you respect a religion which stems from this?

And I have actually had discussion with a Muslim chick who thinks it is cool that Mohammed had sex with a preteen kid.

What on earth are you talking about?

What holy books did Prophet Mohamed write?

Myself and A-ahmed have disussed Mohameds child bride issue not along ago in another thread.Go search it.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on October 23, 2012, 01:49:05 AM
Ever notice how Muslims like A_ahmed selectively change things to suit their own agenda, A-Ahmed changed what I stated so as to mean something completely different, he then went on to write another bible about how disgusting he found men from the west.  This is the issue right here, a Muslim can never be trusted to understand or translate basic common knowledge, they will lie, twist and distort information and ram it through an Islamic filter that ensures whatever purity or goodness the wisdom held is corrupted and tainted by their Muslim Interpretation.

You also have no credibility, i do feel sorry for you in a way cause you werent taught any values as a younger person and thats why your posts are full of hate.

Your happy to talk about islamic violence but turn blind eye to other religious violence.

You condemn hatred but promote hatred and up hold the fallacy of a judeo-christian alliance when the jews dont even beleive in jesus.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: garebear on October 23, 2012, 03:18:49 AM
You also have no credibility, i do feel sorry for you in a way cause you werent taught any values as a younger person and thats why your posts are full of hate.

Your happy to talk about islamic violence but turn blind eye to other religious violence.

You condemn hatred but promote hatred and up hold the fallacy of a judeo-christian alliance when the jews dont even beleive in jesus.
Not me.

I condemn it all.

But Islam is, by far, the most violent and barbaric and you know it.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 23, 2012, 03:56:02 AM
@ Stingray-- concerning Ahmed's original name, you bought that line. Word of advice......

DON'T BE SO GULLIBLE MCFLY  ;)


Now about the Bhudda statue, regardless of what it represents or it's historical value, to touch something that is dear to an enormous race or multitude of people is attacking them at their pride, like cutting off a man's egg rolls, and if this exact scenario was reversed and something of equal magnitude was sabotaged on the Islamic side; believe you me this would be the beginning of world war 3.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on October 23, 2012, 05:51:18 AM
What on earth are you talking about?

What holy books did Prophet Mohamed write?

Myself and A-ahmed have disussed Mohameds child bride issue not along ago in another thread.Go search it.

What are YOU talking about?

 Muslims believe the Quran to be verbally revealed through angel Jibrīl (Gabriel) from God to Muhammad gradually over a period of approximately 23 years beginning on 22 December 609 CE,[8] when Muhammad was 40, and concluding in 632 CE, the year of his death.[1][9][10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on October 23, 2012, 05:53:34 AM
Oh I see, so you want to encourage them to fuck around. Great logic.

Islam comes to stop problems before they occur. You want to encourage them.

Nope - they are fucking around.

Trouble is - Mr Born again Muslim  that you are - you brought into the theory and not the actuality.

Everyone is window dressing the Wahabi version of Islam in Saudi. They all fucking hate it - except the extremists that were gifted the Police way back.

You though - you think that people are loving it out there - because they are practising the pure form of Islam you think that people really want.

Well guess what - they think it sucks ass. You don't have to live it day to day - you just masturbate over it, whilst still enjoying a lifestyle they can't.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on October 23, 2012, 05:55:53 AM
Islam comes to stop problems before they occur. You want to encourage them.

BTW - I don't think your fellow Muslim brothers need much encouragement.

Whole towns already exist on the Thai side of the border with Malaysia catering to Muslim men. If you encouraged them, they'd probably have to move the capital down there.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on October 23, 2012, 06:33:46 AM
What are YOU talking about?

 Muslims believe the Quran to be verbally revealed through angel Jibrīl (Gabriel) from God to Muhammad gradually over a period of approximately 23 years beginning on 22 December 609 CE,[8] when Muhammad was 40, and concluding in 632 CE, the year of his death.[1][9][10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran

So whats your point?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 23, 2012, 07:16:28 AM
So whats your point?
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Are you OK here bro?
You just asked what book Muhammad wrote, strongly indicating he didn't write any(anyone with a brain would take it this way but of course you will play dumb and say that is not what you meant) and this man just corrected you bro and now you ask him what his point is?

 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on October 23, 2012, 09:04:40 AM
What on earth are you talking about?

What holy books did Prophet Mohamed write?

Myself and A-ahmed have disussed Mohameds child bride issue and our support of paedophilia not along ago in another thread.Go search it.

WTF!


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on October 23, 2012, 09:14:59 AM
HA HA Googles Auto Complete.  Google's algorithm predicts and displays search queries based on other users' search activities and the contents of web pages indexed by Google.  Predicted queries are algorithmically determined based on a number of purely algorithmic factors (including popularity of search terms) without human intervention


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: bigbobs on October 23, 2012, 09:20:02 AM
Your information contradicts what Omar very specifically stated. Unless you have some special, mystical insight into his mind, I would tend to consider Omar a more authoritative source on what Omar thought.


It just seems very... I don't know... childish? Almost like a kid crying and yelling "If you won't give me candy I'll break my toy!"

But let's say that it's true; he was so offended that children starved (something which I consider very unlikely, but let's not dwell on that) that his anger got the better of him and he ordered the destruction of the idols publicly.  How long did he stay angry for? The destruction didn't occur overnight, after all.

One way or the other, it makes no difference. the act resulted in the destruction of a unique site of historical importance not just to the Afghans but to the world. Does it matter what the particular justification was? I don't think so.




"B...b...but...but...Fox News said that Mullah Omar said he ordered the statues to be destroyed due to religious reasons...who cares that I never saw or heard Mullah Omar's statement...who cares that Taliban ambassadar Sayed Rahmatullah Hashemi stated at a conference which was recorded, that they were destroyed after Swedish momument experts refused their suggestion to spend towards starving children rather than rebuilding the bamiyans...who cares that the Taliban were in power for five years before the destruction and had no ideological change during these five years....Fox News said Mullah Omar said it so it MUST be true regardless of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary."


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 23, 2012, 10:03:03 AM
"B...b...but...but...Fox News said that Mullah Omar said he ordered the statues to be destroyed due to religious reasons...who cares that I never saw or heard Mullah Omar's statement...who cares that Taliban ambassadar Sayed Rahmatullah Hashemi stated at a conference which was recorded, that they were destroyed after Swedish momument experts refused their suggestion to spend towards starving children rather than rebuilding the bamiyans...who cares that the Taliban were in power for five years before the destruction and had no ideological change during these five years....Fox News said Mullah Omar said it so it MUST be true regardless of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary."

As I said before, I don't get my "news" from Fox News anymore than you get it from Fox News. You can keep repeating this nonsense if it makes you feel better, but it doesn't change my actual position anymore than it changes the actual facts.

But again, let's assume that Hashemi is right, and telling the truth, and the statutes were destroyed because Swedes wanted to spend their money on the statues rather than help the poor, starving children. That doesn't make the destruction any more palatable or any more reasonable. It only showcases the kind of men Omar and his group are/were: irrational since the destruction of the statues wouldn't have helped advocate the cause of feeding the children. So enough with this bullshit that the Taliban were offended that Swedes wouldn't donate to "end the hunger" campaigns.

Because let's be clear: the Taliban didn't much care about the starving children anyways. As an excuse it doesn't hold much water. If they really did care, they would have made different decisions after they came into power; instead of denying food aid, they would have welcomed it, and instead of making decisions aimed to plunge Afhganistan further back into the stone age they would have made decisions to help Afghanistan move forward.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: bigbobs on October 23, 2012, 10:09:28 AM
As I said before, I don't get my "news" from Fox News anymore than you get it from Fox News. You can keep repeating this nonsense if it makes you feel better, but it doesn't change my actual position anymore than it changes the actual facts.

But again, let's assume that Hashemi is right, and telling the truth, and the statutes were destroyed because Swedes wanted to spend their money on the statues rather than help the poor, starving children. That doesn't make the destruction any more palatable or any more reasonable. It only showcases the kind of men Omar and his group are/were: irrational since the destruction of the statues wouldn't have helped advocate the cause of feeding the children. So enough with this bullshit that the Taliban were offended that Swedes wouldn't donate to "end the hunger" campaigns.

Because let's be clear: the Taliban didn't much care about the starving children anyways. As an excuse it doesn't hold much water. If they really did care, they would have made different decisions after they came into power; instead of denying food aid, they would have welcomed it, and instead of making decisions aimed to plunge Afhganistan further back into the stone age they would have made decisions to help Afghanistan move forward.


*yawn* so after I showed you how dumb it is was for you to continue trying to insist that the Taliban destroyed the buddas due to Islamic ideology, now you're switching the topic to whether the destruction was reasonable, what kinds of men the Taliban are, etc.  Stuff I never even gave my opinion on, yet your lack of comprehension and bigotry made you assume that because I clarified the Taliban's motivation that must mean I agree with them.  I'm done with this useless back-and-fourth with you.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 23, 2012, 10:16:51 AM
*yawn* so after I showed you how dumb it is was for you to continue trying to insist that the Taliban destroyed the buddas due to Islamic ideology, now you're switching the topic to whether the destruction was reasonable, what kinds of men the Taliban are, etc.

No. The facts speak for themselves. I'm arguing that even if what you said were true, that doesn't justify the destruction of the statues.


Stuff I never even gave my opinion on, yet your lack of comprehension and bigotry made you assume that because I clarified the Taliban's motivation that must mean I agree with them.  I'm done with this useless back-and-fourth with you.

I haven't concluded that you agree with them, although I suspect you at least "understand" their reasons (at least as you explain them). This is actually a common trend among those with religious beliefs. Even when faced by actions that are outright ridiculous, when those actions are performed by people who share their faith (even if only in name), they tend to have some degree of sympathy.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: bigbobs on October 23, 2012, 10:22:26 AM
No. The facts speak for themselves. I'm arguing that even if what you said were true, that doesn't justify the destruction of the statues.


Just like I said, you're changing the topic and arguing that it doesn't justify the destruction even though I never claimed it was justified, while pretending that it's the same topic.  Your false assumption of my opinion on the issue is driven by your bigotry and stereotyping.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 23, 2012, 10:31:48 AM
Just like I said, you're changing the topic and arguing that it doesn't justify the destruction even though I never claimed it was justified, while pretending that it's the same topic.  Your false assumption of my opinion on the issue is driven by your bigotry and stereotyping.

But I'm not pretending it's the same topic. Our difference is the reasoning behind the destruction. But I'm saying that one way or another it doesn't matter. The reasoning behind the destruction is largely irrelevant. That the destruction was bad is something that I think we both agree on.

What I take exception with is the notion that the Taliban care so much and so deeply about hunger that when a group wouldn't donate money to help fight hunger, they felt so offended that they destroyed something the group actually cared for. The notion is simply preposterous.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: bigbobs on October 23, 2012, 10:34:19 AM
But I'm not pretending it's the same topic. Our difference is the reasoning behind the destruction. But I'm saying that one way or another it doesn't matter. The reasoning behind the destruction is largely irrelevant. That the destruction was bad is something that I think we both agree on.

No it's not irrelevent.  This is a religious discussions forum, so when Islam is accused of being the reasoning behind the destruction, I decided to show that accusation isn't consistent with the timeline of events and the Taliban ambassador's claim.

Similar to posts on mistreatment of women, when they are made here and Islam is accused of being the cause, I post to clarify that the motivation is cultural not religious.  For the budda destruction, the motivation was emotional not religious.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Man of Steel on October 23, 2012, 11:15:24 AM
No it's not irrelevent.  This is a religious discussions forum, so when Islam is accused of being the reasoning behind the destruction, I decided to show that accusation isn't consistent with the timeline of events and the Taliban ambassador's claim.

Similar to posts on mistreatment of women, when they are made here and Islam is accused of being the cause, I post to clarify that the motivation is cultural not religious.  For the budda destruction, the motivation was emotional not religious.

We have bad apples and extremists in virtually every type of organized religion.   Christians, Muslims, Catholics, etc......the bad apples don't often represent the whole, but they make for great press and endless fodder for online meme creators.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: bigbobs on October 23, 2012, 11:17:53 AM
We have bad apples and extremists in virtually every type of organized religion.   Christians, Muslims, Catholics, etc......the bad apples don't often represent the whole, but they make for great press and endless fodder for online meme creators.

Thanks, i agree with you :)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 23, 2012, 12:13:02 PM
*yawn* so after I showed you how dumb it is was for you to continue trying to insist that the Taliban destroyed the buddas due to Islamic ideology, now you're switching the topic to whether the destruction was reasonable, what kinds of men the Taliban are, etc.  Stuff I never even gave my opinion on, yet your lack of comprehension and bigotry made you assume that because I clarified the Taliban's motivation that must mean I agree with them.  I'm done with this useless back-and-fourth with you.
Hold on a second, with all due respect I have been following both Avxo and your arguments and I am not feeling you accomplished this. Bro drop yourself in any of the 200 countries in the world and ask the nearest professor, lawyer, doctor, politician etc why the Taliban destroyed The statue and they will all say because Islam does not like people worshipping Statues, it is common sense that every single person on the planet, except Muslims of course) will think this.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on October 23, 2012, 01:27:14 PM
WTF!

Is that all your good at, editing posts?

ID love for you one day to post something factual or intelligent and speak with abit of knowledge, or are you scared your dad may bash you?

Or maybe even reply to some of my refute of your posts which you dont seem you have the balls to reply to.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 23, 2012, 01:35:06 PM
No it's not irrelevent.  This is a religious discussions forum, so when Islam is accused of being the reasoning behind the destruction, I decided to show that accusation isn't consistent with the timeline of events and the Taliban ambassador's claim.

It's perfectly consistent with the timeline. That they didn't do it right away isn't inconsistent.


Similar to posts on mistreatment of women, when they are made here and Islam is accused of being the cause, I post to clarify that the motivation is cultural not religious.  For the budda destruction, the motivation was emotional not religious.

Even if that's true, religion was used as a justification.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 23, 2012, 01:35:50 PM
Is that all your good at, editing posts?

ID love for you one day to post something factual or intelligent and speak with abit of knowledge, or are you scared your dad may bash you?

Or maybe even reply to some of my refute of your posts which you dont seem you have the balls to reply to.
You angry bro?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: bigbobs on October 23, 2012, 01:49:37 PM
Hold on a second, with all due respect I have been following both Avxo and your arguments and I am not feeling you accomplished this. Bro drop yourself in any of the 200 countries in the world and ask the nearest professor, lawyer, doctor, politician etc why the Taliban destroyed The statue and they will all say because Islam does not like people worshipping Statues, it is common sense that every single person on the planet, except Muslims of course) will think this.

The Taliban ambassador knows better than non-Taliban member university professors what the Taliban's reasoning was.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 23, 2012, 01:52:25 PM
Quite possibly, but I think truth will always involve paradox, like "Truth doesn't exist, and this is the truth".  Truth implies perfection, and perfection doesn't exist, you may be able to get close to the truth, this is all one can do, since their is no absolute truth.
no. your advocating a religious view by asserting truth and perfection dont exist. they may very well exist in the form of god or something god-like. the question of whether humans can attain it is irrelevant to the question of whether it exists.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 23, 2012, 01:59:53 PM
The Taliban ambassador knows better than non-Taliban member university professors what the Taliban's reasoning was.
Bro no one on the planet will believe in any other motive but the idolatry one, no one. The most naive person won't fall for those silly explanation.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Internet Tough Guy on October 23, 2012, 02:22:12 PM
It always surprises me to see a woman to defend Islam.

It makes me wonder if the woman is ignorant of the facts or hates other women and also believes they should serve men.



Samson's/Jag's ignornace surprises no one.  She defends terrorists on a regular basis when she isn't spamming the board to death with her gold/gas pills/women's empowerment thru shopping b.s.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on October 23, 2012, 02:58:30 PM
no. your advocating a religious view by asserting truth and perfection don't exist. they may very well exist in the form of god or something god-like. the question of whether humans can attain it is irrelevant to the question of whether it exists.
But if it does exist humans need to be able to attain it or discover it, otherwise it remains hidden from Truth and the possibility of it not existing is equally valid.  Your assuming it does exist and that humans just are unaware of it, until it can be validated the opposite theory also remains an option, that truth, perfection and divinity don't exist.  It is imperative that humans discover the real truth, until then we're going to have all types of crazies running around claiming they have uncovered the truth based on faith and the rest of us who place their faith in science and the slow unremitting and unravelling of knowledge and wisdom are going to have to tolerate their lack of wisdom and real insight.  If perfection, truth or divinity exist, it must be verifiable and not the wishful thinking of indoctrinated idiots.  To suggest it may exist but we will forever remain unaware of it is pointless, it is the equivalent of suggesting there is a heaven full of virgins, it sounds nice, but is obviously unverifiable and based on the laws of probability and humanity's current understanding of the universe, Highly improbable.

Also I think you are missing the point of the statement "Truth doesn't exist" , for this statement to be true, Truth must exist.  Paradox I believe holds answers to the universe, like the laws of physics don't apply  at the atomic - or subatomic level. Quantum physics is the next stage of our intellectual evolution, and will begin to unlock the mystery behind Paradox.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 23, 2012, 03:11:42 PM
It always surprises me to see a woman to defend Islam.

It makes me wonder if the woman is ignorant of the facts or hates other women and also believes they should serve men.



Why does it surprise you? Majority of converts to Islam are university educated women not men.

I learned more about religion and philosophy in school not from tv. You know the whole 'education', 'learning', 'reading' thing.

Although I am not a woman but a man :)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 23, 2012, 03:51:23 PM
Why does it surprise you? Majority of converts to Islam are university educated women not men.

I learned more about religion and philosophy in school not from tv. You know the whole 'education', 'learning', 'reading' thing.

Although I am not a woman but a man :)

Yeah but you do act likea bitch though achmutt.

A majority of the women who convert to anything are usually mentally fragile. I watched a couple of the clips and the common trait among everyone seems that they resemble lost sheep. If they didnt convert to islam they would have converted to something else becuase christianity wasnt working for them. Converts of any kind are usually swayable with the right set of words because of their mental instability. they need to be leda round by the nose and islam excels in having blind followers.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 23, 2012, 04:15:16 PM
Yeah but you do act likea bitch though achmutt.

A majority of the women who convert to anything are usually mentally fragile. I watched a couple of the clips and the common trait among everyone seems that they resemble lost sheep. If they didnt convert to islam they would have converted to something else becuase christianity wasnt working for them. Converts of any kind are usually swayable with the right set of words because of their mental instability. they need to be leda round by the nose and islam excels in having blind followers.

 ::)

How fascinating, they are mentally unstable because you hate Islam :) Good job man! You are convincing me every day that much more. I thank God almighty to have opened my eyes to Islam away from ignorance.

There are people out there who search for the truth, and they have found it with Islam. You still have not, and have a problem with Islam probably because of personal issues, personal desires, etc...

Still doesn't change the fact that the majority of converts to islam are university educated women.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 23, 2012, 04:21:51 PM
::)

How fascinating, they are mentally unstable because you hate Islam :) Good job man! You are convincing me every day that much more. I thank God almighty to have opened my eyes to Islam away from ignorance.

There are people out there who search for the truth, and they have found it with Islam. You still have not, and have a problem with Islam probably because of personal issues, personal desires, etc...

Still doesn't change the fact that the majority of converts to islam are university educated women.

Who cares whether they were educated or not. Plenty of people have an education but no common sense...you' re a perfect example.

The truth is a perception. A lie necomes truth only if a person wants to beleive it. Thats how muhammed convinced a bunch of people that God spoke to him. He wasnt the first one. Plenty of people claim god spoke to them. The ones left standing usually wins. Thats how a lie becomes truth and gave birth to islam.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 23, 2012, 04:32:17 PM
::)

How fascinating, they are mentally unstable because you hate Islam :) Good job man! You are convincing me every day that much more. I thank God almighty to have opened my eyes to Islam away from ignorance.

There are people out there who search for the truth, and they have found it with Islam. You still have not, and have a problem with Islam probably because of personal issues, personal desires, etc...

Still doesn't change the fact that the majority of converts to islam are university educated women.
Insecurities ^^^^


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 23, 2012, 04:32:40 PM
Well in that case maybe you have no common-sense if you are painting with a wild brush people who have far more education than you do. I have a strong feeling you are short of making some degenerative comments towards women just because they embraced Islam.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 23, 2012, 04:33:49 PM
Insecurities ^^^^

lol do you think that's insecurity? Or a person such as yourself and stefano who must insult everyone who believes in Islam. He made a lot of allegations about people he doesn't know about simply on the basis that he disagrees/hates/doesn't believe in Islam and they do.

Also unlike Christians, we do not need fake conversion stories or conversion stories for profit where 'former muslims' get money and popularity for bashing Islam with the same typical evangelical frauds and lies. Talk about insecurities.

On the other hand you can find millions of authentic and sincere conversion stories from all faiths to Islam.

Think for a second and realize it is not Muslims who are insecure, we are in fact very confident and proud to be Muslim. It is you who are insecure and therefore need to invest billions of dollars to demonize 2 billion people.

Even the premise of your thread showcases this insecurity of yours. You have tried multiple threads to attack islam and muslims and that is your insecurity.

Lets not forget you started a thread with 'unknown intentions' to try to showcase how islam is false because it comes from 'wild asses'  ::)

In effect you are insecure about your own beliefs. Since you cannot argue against your own bible as we have barely used the qur'an to debate the trinity, you have no choice but to resort to demonizations.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 23, 2012, 04:38:51 PM
lol do you think that's insecurity? Or a person such as yourself and stefano who must insult everyone who believes in Islam. He made a lot of allegations about people he doesn't know about simply on the basis that he disagrees/hates/doesn't believe in Islam and they do.
I have never insulted anyone who believes in Islam, never. The whole point of this thread is when someone has a different view of that of Islam that Muslims will say they hate Islam, that is the whole point, insecurities. That is your come back for every single argument you have here with everyone is that they hate Islam that is how insecure you are just cause you are losing in a debate.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Skeletor on October 23, 2012, 04:39:08 PM
Why does it surprise you? Majority of converts to Islam are university educated women not men.

You've been saying this for quite a while. What happens when a woman (or man) who has been converted to Islam changes mind or decides to leave for whatever reason?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 23, 2012, 04:41:18 PM
Well in that case maybe you have no common-sense if you are painting with a wild brush people who have far more education than you do. I have a strong feeling you are short of making some degenerative comments towards women just because they embraced Islam.

Im referring to all converts to any religion not just women or islam. However women are more susceptible to being swayed when enough pressure is applied. Thats why they get duped into acting in porn or prostitution or being abused by men. Thats why more women convert to islam than men. Thats why muslims usually marry women half their age. Its easier to start the brainwashing process early. Christianiity doesnt have as strong holds and allows more freedom. If a man or woman converts away from islam the penalties are harsh which dissade most from leaving. I did a lot of voluteer work for habitat for humanity during my college days and i heard first hand some of the horror stories of abuse people face when trying to leave islam. Christianitity or other religions dont have those levels of punishments.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 23, 2012, 04:42:47 PM
You've been saying this for quite a while. What happens when a woman (or man) who has been converted to Islam changes mind or decides to leave for whatever reason?

Some islamophobes get excited on this forum and will talk about it 247 maybe?

Here you are – those invited to spend in the cause of Allah – but among you are those who withhold [out of greed]. And whoever withholds only withholds [benefit] from himself; and Allah is the Free of need, while you are the needy. And if you turn away, He will replace you with another people; then they will not be the likes of you.Quran 47:038

Regardless, Islam is the fastest growing religion. And I cannot see how someone who truly believes in God would reject Islam once they are shown it.

There is no doubt in my mind about God's revelation through Muhammad (pbuh) and you can hold a gun up to my head or offer me a trillion dollars but I will not abandon Islam :) It is illogical to abandon the truth once you have found it. Only a fool would go for falsity of this world.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 23, 2012, 04:43:42 PM
Im referring to all converts to any religion not just women or islam. However women are more susceptible to being swayed when enough pressure is applied. Thats why they get duped into acting in porn or prostitution or being abused by men. Thats why more women convert to islam than men. Thats why muslims usually marry women half their age. Its easier to start the brainwashing process early. Christianiity doesnt have as strong holds and allows more freedom. If a man or woman converts away from islam the penalties are harsh which dissade most from leaving. I did a lot of voluteer work for habitat for humanity during my college days and i heard first hand some of the horror stories of abuse people face when trying to leave islam. Christianitity or other religions dont have those levels of punishments.

Wow... so this is what you think of women. Strong women hating going on here. Wish 24kt was here to hear you out, wonder what she would say as a woman.

Oh and my wife is 5 years older than me. Muhammad's first wife was 40 when he was 25.

You guys are an interesting bunch. I wonder what benefit you reap from trying to distract people from islam. It's quite stereotypical but mysteriously amusing.

The reality and facts on the ground dictate differently. It's like television trying to portray a picture of Islam an Muslims, vs the reality. You are losing your war on 'hearts and minds' of people. Be sure of that.

Every time there is a great effort to slander Islam and Muslims, more people come to Islam and become Muslims. In fact my curiosity was sparked by the same islamophobe garbage and ultimately I became Muslim myself. Alhamdulillah :)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 23, 2012, 04:47:31 PM
That is your come back for every single argument you have here with everyone is that they hate Islam that is how insecure you are just cause you are losing in a debate.

100 percent true.

Another fact is onetimehard is a better person than am in terms of tolerating bullshit. So dont lump us in the same sentence.

I have a low tolerance for assholes who try to shove their religion in our faces. A good example is constantly posting about christians converting to islam. This seems to be done to belittle the christian on this board and is totally uncalled for. There is another gy called bigbobs on the religion board. who is constantly repeating this over and over. There seems to be a theme here.

Hey if you want to start shit you called down the thunder.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Skeletor on October 23, 2012, 04:48:05 PM
Here you are – those invited to spend in the cause of Allah – but among you are those who withhold [out of greed]. And whoever withholds only withholds [benefit] from himself; and Allah is the Free of need, while you are the needy. And if you turn away, He will replace you with another people; then they will not be the likes of you.Quran 47:038

So in essence this means that anyone who leaves Islam is free to do so and will just be replaced with "another people"?

And I cannot see how someone who truly believes in God would reject Islam once they are shown it.

That could be uttered for any religion, as they all believe they hold the absolute truth.



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 23, 2012, 04:51:04 PM
Some islamophobes get excited on this forum and will talk about it 247 maybe?

Here you are – those invited to spend in the cause of Allah – but among you are those who withhold [out of greed]. And whoever withholds only withholds [benefit] from himself; and Allah is the Free of need, while you are the needy. And if you turn away, He will replace you with another people; then they will not be the likes of you.Quran 47:038

Regardless, Islam is the fastest growing religion. And I cannot see how someone who truly believes in God would reject Islam once they are shown it.

There is no doubt in my mind about God's revelation through Muhammad (pbuh) and you can hold a gun up to my head or offer me a trillion dollars but I will not abandon Islam :) It is illogical to abandon the truth once you have found it. Only a fool would go for falsity of this world.
Again when things are not going your way the next guy is an Islamaphobe, lol more insecurities


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 23, 2012, 04:52:03 PM
100 percent true.

Another fact is onetimehard is a better person than am in terms of tolerating bullshit. So dont lump us in the same sentence.

I have a low tolerance for assholes who try to shove their religion in our faces. A good example is constantly posting about christians converting to islam. This seems to be done to belittle the christian on this board and is totally uncalled for. There is another gy called bigbobs on the religion board. who is constantly repeating this over and over. There seems to be a theme here.

Hey if you want to start shit you called down the thunder.

We weren't the ones that starts slandering Islam, Muslims, Muhammad, etc... You bring this upon yourself.

I came in to showcase the alternate face of what you present. So yes your hatred and anger is what has spawned my alternative views being presented on this board.

If I didn't see morons posting derogatory images, slurs, statements against our religion, our prophet (pbuh) I would have kept my talks to BBing only.

Since this is a large community and there are idiots amongst us who are islamophobes, as a fellow Muslim i will showcase it and respond to it.

You are the one that brought about 'thunder'.

Muslims will never go around insulting Jesus or Moses, yet you as in (be you atheist, christian, jew, whatever) will insult Muhammad (pbuh) and our religion.

When it comes to debating between beliefs, what have we done but show what we believe and contrast to what you believe.

As a former Christian I have debated the christians on the very things that made me leave christianity they showcased me yet again why I left christianity. Be it the inconsistencies in christian belief, worship of a human, and parting ways with the original teachings of the prophets, amongst other things.

At best arguing with them using their own scripture which is the bible.

You/they hate Islam/Muslims, so me showcasing people who have become Muslim has two purposes.

A. To showcase that what you are claiming/saying is quite not true.
B. To showcase the vast amount of different people finding and understanding islam while majority of you have not opened a qur'an with a clear mind without evil intentions
C. To present in a different light similarties as to why I embraced Islam.

In essence what have we received on here is comments like calling Muhammad a pedo, killer, violent, rapist, thief, liar, fraud, madman, gay, etc...

Then the usual 'honor killings' and all the other typical bs.

Ironically there is no such thing as honor killings in islam and i showcased it in the bible then everyone went silent and a few said oh we don't follow the old testament anymore. Well how about the Jews on here?

Do you see the irony??


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 23, 2012, 04:52:51 PM
Wow... so this is what you think of women. Strong women hating going on here. Wish 24kt was here to hear you out, wonder what she would say as a woman.

Oh and my wife is 5 years older than me. Muhammad's first wife was 40 when he was 25.

You guys are an interesting bunch. I wonder what benefit you reap from trying to distract people from islam. It's quite stereotypical but mysteriously amusing.

The reality and facts on the ground dictate differently. It's like television trying to portray a picture of Islam an Muslims, vs the reality. You are losing your war on 'hearts and minds' of people. Be sure of that.

Every time there is a great effort to slander Islam and Muslims, more people come to Islam and become Muslims. In fact my curiosity was sparked by the same islamophobe garbage and ultimately I became Muslim myself. Alhamdulillah :)

Lol at women hating thats a muslim practice aint it?  ;D

Hate to point out the facts but muslims are losing hearts and minds when they start their cycle of intolerance and hate throughout the world. Most terrorist acts are commited by muslims..most riots are incited by muslims. Oh of course its a mass media conspiracy. Yeah right buddy. I've travelled quite a bit throughout the world and muslims are the most reviled people in any country they are not the majority in. They engage in unfair trading where only muslims get the best prices. They are involved in extortion and money laundering...the list goes on. This isnt islamaphbia..these are facts achmutt.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 23, 2012, 04:55:42 PM
Lol at women hating thats a muslim practice aint it?  ;D

Hate to point out the facts but muslims are losing hearts and minds when they start their cycle of intolerance and hate throughout the world. Most terrorist acts are commited by muslims..most riots are incited by muslims. Oh of course its a mass media conspiracy. Yeah right buddy. I've travelled quite a bit throughout the world and muslims are the most reviled people in any country they are not the majority in. They engage in unfair trading where only muslims get the best prices. They are involved in extortion and money laundering...the list goes on. This isnt islamaphbia..these are facts achmutt.

No I'm afraid not, as Muhmmad (pbuh) instructed us to be kind to our women as he was the kindest to his wives.

We can take a look at local getbiggers how kind they are to their one night stand women and wives they swap.

I doubt you traveled beyond google, as I've lived as a christian amongst muslims. My uncle lived for 30 years and his daughter was born amongst them.

Ah... there's that saying arguing with fools or idiots is pointless or something like that.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 23, 2012, 04:58:52 PM
Lol at women hating thats a muslim practice aint it?  ;D

Hate to point out the facts but muslims are losing hearts and minds when they start their cycle of intolerance and hate throughout the world. Most terrorist acts are commited by muslims..most riots are incited by muslims. Oh of course its a mass media conspiracy. Yeah right buddy. I've travelled quite a bit throughout the world and muslims are the most reviled people in any country they are not the majority in. They engage in unfair trading where only muslims get the best prices. They are involved in extortion and money laundering...the list goes on. This isnt islamaphbia..these are facts achmutt.
The Bible predicted this behaviour .... All Arabs, the founders of Islam, come from Ishmael and his 12 sons......

"he shall be a wild ass of a man: his hand shall be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the face of all his brethren."


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 23, 2012, 05:01:20 PM
So the Arabs who embraced Christianity are they like good? ::) As amongst the Arabs there were those who retained the religion of Abraham (who was not a Jew), and those that embraced Christianity and those that turned to paganism. Then afterwards those who accepted the message of God through His messenger Muhammad (pbuh) which is islam. Or are they also wild asses? Or did they suddenly unwild their asses by becoming Christians please enlighten me with your wisdom.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 23, 2012, 05:01:51 PM
We weren't the ones that starts slandering Islam, Muslims, Muhammad, etc... You bring this upon yourself.

I came in to showcase the alternate face of what you present. So yes your hatred and anger is what has spawned my alternative views being presented on this board.

If I didn't see morons posting derogatory images, slurs, statements against our religion, our prophet (pbuh) I would have kept my talks to BBing only.

Since this is a large community and there are idiots amongst us who are islamophobes, as a fellow Muslim i will showcase it and respond to it.

You are the one that brought about 'thunder'.

Muslims will never go around insulting Jesus or Moses, yet you as in (be you atheist, christian, jew, whatever) will insult Muhammad (pbuh) and our religion.

When it comes to debating between beliefs, what have we done but show what we believe and contrast to what you believe.

As a former Christian I have debated the christians on the very things that made me leave christianity they showcased me yet again why I left christianity. Be it the inconsistencies in christian belief, worship of a human, and parting ways with the original teachings of the prophets, amongst other things.

At best arguing with them using their own scripture which is the bible.

Lol. A bulk of your posts are designed to insult christianity and its followers on this board. You're arguements are all about how islam is superior to christianity. You made disparaging remarks about idol worship. Who cares what type of worship they engage in. Your type of worship is no better. Your belief system stems fromca fraud who cliams god spoke to him in an age men beleived anything...a practice that still continues to this day.Whenever you encounter opposing arguements you scream islamaphobe. Thats something a lot of people have already pointed out.

You're free to practice your narrow minded religion but once you start insulting other dont think all of us are going to let that pass.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 23, 2012, 05:02:38 PM
So the Arabs who embraced Islam are they like good? ::) Or are they also wild asses? Or did they suddenly unwild their asses by becoming Christians please enlighten me with your wisdom.
hey do not get mad at me, I did not say this, the word of God said this, the scriptures said this


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 23, 2012, 05:05:13 PM
The Bible predicted this behaviour .... All Arabs, the founders of Islam, come from Ishmael and his 12 sons......

"he shall be a wild ass of a man: his hand shall be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the face of all his brethren."

Im not suprised. Judging by their behaviour, (especially achmutt's) its pretty obvious. When you look at all the world events why is it that islam is usually at the center of all the unrest in most countries? Mass media conspiracy? Yeah right..every non muslim country decided to participate in this elaborate hoax.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on October 23, 2012, 05:06:06 PM
No I'm afraid not, as Muhmmad (pbuh) instructed us to be kind to our women as he was the kindest to his wives.

We can take a look at local getbiggers how kind they are to their one night stand women and wives they swap.

I doubt you traveled beyond google, as I've lived as a christian amongst muslims. My uncle lived for 30 years and his daughter was born amongst them.

Ah... there's that saying arguing with fools or idiots is pointless or something like that.

Yet you conveniently ignore the rampant use of prostitutes in Southern Thailand on the behalf of Malay Muslims. Whole towns are thriving on the sex trade on the border with Malaysia.

You ignore the Saudi habit of bluetoothing complete strangers to set up sexual liasons between male and female Muslims.

Bangkok AND Pattaya both have areas set aside for Muslim men from all over the world to come and sate their suppressed urges. For some reason, the arab Muslims seem to prefer fat Uzbeki women who now roam the streets of Bangkok and Pattaya looking for nice Muslim men to ride for $50.

Real charmers, these guys.

Being a recent convert, I bet you are a bit upset they didn't send you the memo on that.

Travelled beyond Google? Maybe - but not far enough it seems.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 23, 2012, 05:06:43 PM
Lol. A bulk of your posts are designed to insult christianity and its followers on this board. You're arguements are all about how islam is superior to christianity. You made disparaging remarks about idol worship. Who cares what type of worship they engage in. Your type of worship is no better. Your belief system stems fromca fraud who cliams god spoke to him in an age men beleived anything...a practice that still continues to this day.Whenever you encounter opposing arguements you scream islamaphobe. Thats something a lot of people have already pointed out.

You're free to practice your narrow minded religion but once you start insulting other dont think all of us are going to let that pass.

Islam is superior to Christianity, that's why I've left it. Islam is the worship of God and following God's law where you are accountable for what you do individually. While Christianity is the worship of a human being created by God and following your own desires, where all of mankind's accountability is reduced to "God" committing suicide on a cross.

Unlike Christianity, Muslims flourished the sciences and worldly knowledge, while Christianity suppressed worldly knowledge and killed scientists.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on October 23, 2012, 05:08:23 PM
Islam is superior to Christianity, that's why I've left it.

Yup - from one emotional crutch to another  ::)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 23, 2012, 05:10:36 PM
Islam is superior to Christianity, that's why I've left it. Islam is the worship of God and following God's law where you are accountable for what you do individually. While Christianity is the worship of a human being created by God and following your own desires, where all of mankind's accountability is reduced to "God" committing suicide on a cross.

Unlike Christianity, Muslims flourished the sciences and worldly knowledge, while Christianity suppressed worldly knowledge and killed scientists.
Islam is a made up doctrine based on the teaching of a false prophet and Jesus was killed, was not suicide, you claiming so only waters down your credibility on interpreting scripture, the most hateful atheist on the planet wouldnt even scoop that low as to interpret his death as suicide, outrageous


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on October 23, 2012, 05:11:05 PM
Islam is superior to Christianity, that's why I've left it. Islam is the worship of God and following God's law where you are accountable for what you do individually. While Christianity is the worship of a human being created by God and following your own desires, where all of mankind's accountability is reduced to "God" committing suicide on a cross.

Unlike Christianity, Muslims flourished the sciences and worldly knowledge, while Christianity suppressed worldly knowledge and killed scientists.

Well - the killing of scientists may have occured in the past but let's face facts.

Nowadays Muslims are in the stone age when it comes to science and Muslims are suppressing young girls from even becoming educated. Muslims lead the world in killing schoolgirls.

Congratulations on your great leap forward...


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 23, 2012, 05:14:10 PM
Islam is superior to Christianity, that's why I've left it. Islam is the worship of God and following God's law where you are accountable for what you do individually. While Christianity is the worship of a human being created by God and following your own desires, where all of mankind's accountability is reduced to "God" committing suicide on a cross.

Unlike Christianity, Muslims flourished the sciences and worldly knowledge, while Christianity suppressed worldly knowledge and killed scientists.

No it is not. You think it is and you're entitled to your opinion. Just because you beleive something that doesnt make it true. Based on global events and from what i've seen and heard as a religion islam is one of lowest..usually the refuge of those who need to be led around and told what to do. In fact all other religions are far more civilized than islam whose pnly purpose is to forment hate and unrest whereever they reside.


Last time i checked jesus was considered the son of god not god himself.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 23, 2012, 05:16:10 PM
Islam is a made up doctrine based on the teaching of a false prophet and Jesus was killed, was not suicide, you claiming so only waters down your credibility on interpreting scripture, the most hateful atheist on the planet wouldnt even scoop that low as to interpret his death as suicide, outrageous

So God let humans kill him so they would be forgiven, because someone believes that we are held accountable for sins/crimes past generations did?

Islam doesn't believe we are born sinners, Islam believes all men are sinners but that we are born pure. Islam also teaches us that God is the most merciful and also the most severe in punishment. However God is the most merciful and accepts the repentance of sincere people. The mercy of God is immense, more than the mercy of any mother and her child. More than anything any human's mercy can come close to.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 23, 2012, 05:18:43 PM
No it is not. You think it is and you're entitled to your opinion. Just because you beleive something that doesnt make it true. Based on global events and from what i've seen and heard as a religion islam is one of lowest..usually the refuge of those who need to be led around and told what to do. In fact all other religions are far more civilized than islam whose pnly purpose is to forment hate and unrest whereever they reside.


Last time i checked jesus was considered the son of god not god himself.

You'd be surprised how confused Christians are. The ones on this board believe he is literally God himself. Apparently God is bipolar according to their descriptions... even though scripture proves God and Jesus are seperate.

As far as 'son of' is concerned, there are many 'son of god' mentioned in the bible, but it is not literal it is METAPHORICAL... as in Godly person or pious person.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 23, 2012, 05:18:48 PM
So God let humans kill him so they would be forgiven, because someone believes that we are held accountable for sins/crimes past generations did?

Islam doesn't believe we are born sinners, Islam believes all men are sinners but that we are born pure.
Every man sins, that is what is meant by the term "born sinner" duh... like talking to 9 year old. No one is born with sin literally, it just means that soon after they are born they will sin.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 23, 2012, 05:18:57 PM
Well - the killing of scientists may have occured in the past but let's face facts.

Nowadays Muslims are in the stone age when it comes to science and Muslims are suppressing young girls from even becoming educated. Muslims lead the world in killing schoolgirls.

Congratulations on your great leap forward...

Truth. There are a huge number of refuge centers for muslim women all over europe and the us. Women who have been tortured and brutalized by their husbands who follow the religion of peace. :-\

A month ago i spoke to an afgani lady who told me about the attrocities the taliban ( achmutts favorite group) commit against young men. Her job is to counsel and help those poor women who have been scarred for life. She told me how she approached several clerics for help but they ignored her and sometimes even reported her. She escaped thanks to a euro first aid worker who smuggled her out. Plenty of afgani women are now seeking refuge in western countries.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 23, 2012, 05:20:50 PM
Every man sins, that is what is meant by the term "born sinner" duh... like talking to 9 year old. No one is born with sin literally, it just means that soon after they are born they will sin.

Well then another example of how Christians don't know their own faith.

It is Christian dogma that the sins of Adam are upon mankind and that as a result mankind must sacrifice/suffer for it. Then supposedly Jesus who is God dies on the cross commits suicide because afterall God would not be 'killed' by petty humans and mankind no longer has to sacrifice/be sinful. Everyone is now sin free, you are free of the law, you can live your life and hooraay lets go to a club saturday night and mass on sunday morning.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 23, 2012, 05:21:26 PM
Truth. There are a huge number of refuge centers for muslim women all over europe and the us. Women who have been tortured and brutalized by their husbands who follow the religion of peace. :-\

A month ago i spoke to an afgani lady who told me about the attrocities the taliban ( achmutts favorite group) commit against young men. Her job is to counsel and help those poor women who have been scarred for life. She told me how she approached several clerics for help but they ignored her and sometimes even reported her. She escaped thanks to a euro first aid worker who smuggled her out. Plenty of afgani women are now seeking refuge in western countries.

Well the problem is you cannot differentiate between Islam and culture.

I've already said it before where is your outrage at Christian or Hindus who do that in those regions. Do you then go look at those Christians and how they follow Christianity or look at those Hindus and how they follow Hinduism


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 23, 2012, 05:22:47 PM
You'd be surprised how confused Christians are. The ones on this board believe he is literally God himself. Apparently God is bipolar according to their descriptions... even though scripture proves God and Jesus are seperate.

As far as 'son of' is concerned, there are many 'son of god' mentioned in the bible, but it is not literal it is METAPHORICAL... as in Godly person or pious person.

Details..it doesnt matter.  The point is islamist are more confused than chritians could ever be. Thats why they are led by clerics to commit jihads, extortion etc. There is a reason mosques are now under investigation incmost countries besides western countries. The more intelligent muslims have reported these mosques and clerics to the authorities.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 23, 2012, 05:23:39 PM
Details..it doesnt matter.  The point is islamist are more confused than chritians could ever be. Thats why they are led by clerics to commit jihads, extortion etc. There is a reason mosques are now under investigation incmost countries besides western countries. The more intelligent muslims have reported these mosques and clerics to the authorities.

lol no such thing as islamist. My confused atheist English speaking friend.

Oh and the so called 'investigation in mosques' have brought about nothing, waste of tax payer money lol.  Fear mongering people's shadows.

Looks like you are just juggling facts, you hate islam so you will side with christians in this even though inside your heart you probably think of the same about christians because they are silly stupid theists :)

Those 'minor details' set the pages of history and doctrine, what the whole belief of christianity is or isn't by the way.

You yourself said didnt christians believe Jesus is only son of God not God. You are the ones that's confused and ignorant my friend... and out to only hate on Islam not ascertain the truth about anything. I wasted my time elaborating it, only to say it is minor details and you then go on an onslaught against Islam.

One word: desperation.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 23, 2012, 05:29:15 PM
Well the problem is you cannot differentiate between Islam and culture.

I've already said it before where is your outrage at Christian or Hindus who do that in those regions. Do you then go look at those Christians and how they follow Christianity or look at those Hindus and how they follow Hinduism

Did i say all hindus, christians, buddhist are blameless? Every religion has its radicals. The point is that islam has far more radicals than all other religions put together. Islam and culture are very tightly interwoven. I've been told this by a number of muslims in a number of continents.culture may differ but whenever activites such as stoning, beahding, disfugurement starts taking place the victims seek refuge in their mosques who usually encourage the mob. If these backward cultures differ from islam why dont the clerics and scholars condemn these activities. I've heard stories from victims notably from a lady who was raped and was punished by clerics for reporting it. You seem to be blind to the number if attrocities committed in the name if islam. No action has been made by the " real muslims" to stop this.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 23, 2012, 05:32:33 PM
Educating Muslims and non-muslims about Islam is the key.

Those who follow culture more so than Islam are the problem.

As far as capital punishments for adultery, homosexuality, theft, murder, etc... yes these are a part of Islam. And you may disagree with them, but they have a purpose behind them being laws that deter people from choosing to act in these ways. Again you may disagree with it but they are deterant laws and they would be enacted upon Muslims in an islamic caliphate.

And as far as Christianity and Judaism go they have the same. Although they were judged by their own people and own courts under Islamic caliphate.

What you are basically saying is Islam is the cause of these cultural problems. While we say no Islam is the solution to these cultural problems. As these cultural problems are followed by Christians and Hindus alike.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 23, 2012, 05:35:07 PM


Actually desperation sums up all you posts since you cant argue with facts so you chose your slanted views as though that is the truth. It isnt. Just becuase you're gullible and largely ignorant doesnt give you the licence to claim your bullshit religion is superior.

As for what i said about jesus and god. That is what i've read. It doesnt bother me that someone has a different viewpoint as long as he/she isnt trying to claim that their religion is superior to another. Thats perception and perception is not always reality. The fact that you believe that a man who claimed god spoke to him in a cave somehow supercedes everything else shows how truly delusional and desperate you are.

Oh and LoL at english speaking friend....what language are you posting in? Klingon?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 23, 2012, 05:35:52 PM
Well then another example of how Christians don't know their own faith.

It is Christian dogma that the sins of Adam are upon mankind and that as a result mankind must sacrifice/suffer for it. Then supposedly Jesus who is God dies on the cross commits suicide because afterall God would not be 'killed' by petty humans and mankind no longer has to sacrifice/be sinful. Everyone is now sin free, you are free of the law, you can live your life and hooraay lets go to a club saturday night and mass on sunday morning.
Adams sins are upon mankind ding dong, that is where the saying comes from that we are born sinners cause it is our genetic hereditary traits, wooooooosh, but like someone predisposed to lose their hair it happens later in life not at birth, duh


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 23, 2012, 05:37:53 PM
I said Islam is superior as it is worshipping God, as what the past prophets emphasized. Pauline Christianity changed that so that it is worship of a man.

Likewise in the past accountability and responisibility was thought then came along Paul and he starts preaching that Jesus died for mankind's sins so now you are 'free' of sin and 'free of the law' and you can go clubbing saturday night if you want to and go to 'listen about God" sunday morning even if you have a hang over.

Islam's consistency, principles, message is firm and consistent. While amongst Christians everyone is confused. You yourself thought Jesus was 'only' the son of God and dont know what son of God even means. Most christians don't.

Just a small example.

If it weren't superior why would I embrace it? A man goes for something better, my criteria was looking for God's revelation and truth while I saw in Christianity man's handy work and corruption of God's message.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 23, 2012, 05:40:17 PM
Adams sins are upon mankind ding dong, that is where the saying comes from that we are born sinners cause it is our genetic hereditary traits, wooooooosh, but like someone predisposed to lose their hair it happens later in life not at birth, duh

Well that's where Islam differs. According to Judaism and Christianity the woman was to blame hence the looking down upon women. According to Chrsitianity all mankind inherits sin and Adam's sin is upon us all unless we accept Jesus.

If you say otherwise you are going against Christian dogma and just again showcase how Christians themselves cannot come to terms as to what they believe.

In Islam both Adam and Eve are guilty as they both partook in disobeying God. However mankind is born pure and sinless, however over our lifetime we commit sins but we can if sincere repent to God and through God's mercy forgiven. No crazy sacrificing needed.

Our 'sins' are our own actions not genetically passed down  ::) Hence why certain convicts in jail become Muslim and despite their crimes, they become better people after embracing Islam. Turning around their lives completely to the point you cannot ever believe they were ever convicts.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 23, 2012, 05:41:29 PM
Educating Muslims and non-muslims about Islam is the key.

Those who follow culture more so than Islam are the problem.

As far as capital punishments for adultery, homosexuality, theft, murder, etc... yes these are a part of Islam. And you may disagree with them, but they have a purpose behind them being laws that deter people from choosing to act in these ways. Again you may disagree with it but they are deterant laws and they would be enacted upon Muslims in an islamic caliphate.

And as far as Christianity and Judaism go they have the same. Although they were judged by their own people and own courts under Islamic caliphate.

What you are basically saying is Islam is the cause of these cultural problems. While we say no Islam is the solution to these cultural problems. As these cultural problems are followed by Christians and Hindus alike.

Oh really? So do all other religions declare jihad on cartoonists, authors, filmmakers? This is where islam differs. Cultural problem? Sure :D
Do their clerics encourage the beating and rape of women whenever those women turn to them for help?



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 23, 2012, 05:43:29 PM
You are talking a bunch of jibberish, of course anyone believes both Adam and Eve is at fault, why wouldn't they?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 23, 2012, 05:46:22 PM
Well that's where Islam differs. According to Judaism and Christianity the woman was to blame hence the looking down upon women. According to Chrsitianity all mankind inherits sin and Adam's sin is upon us all unless we accept Jesus.

If you say otherwise you are going against Christian dogma and just again showcase how Christians themselves cannot come to terms as to what they believe.

In Islam both Adam and Eve are guilty as they both partook in disobeying God. However mankind is born pure and sinless, however over our lifetime we commit sins but we can if sincere repent to God and through God's mercy forgiven. No crazy sacrificing needed.

Our 'sins' are our own actions not genetically passed down  ::) Hence why certain convicts in jail become Muslim and despite their crimes, they become better people after embracing Islam. Turning around their lives completely to the point you cannot ever believe they were ever convicts.

Instead lets follow a madman who spoke to god in a cave and enjoyed carnal rights to 6 year old children. To his blind followers thats not a sin. The practice continues in marrying underage girls in islamic countries.


Most convicts turn christian more than muslim.
 


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 23, 2012, 05:46:33 PM
Actually according to traditional Christian and Judaic teachings, the woman was guilty of putting the burden on man. Hence why most feminists have a negative view of Christianity and Judaism. Some have gone to the extent of changing the bible to say "She" lol instead of He, even though God has no gender and this are limitations of language.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 23, 2012, 05:53:59 PM
Actually according to traditional Christian and Judaic teachings, the woman was guilty of putting the burden on man. Hence why most feminists have a negative view of Christianity and Judaism. Some have gone to the extent of changing the bible to say "She" lol instead of He, even though God has no gender and this are limitations of language.

Yeah because muslims have ssooo much more respect for women. Islam even considers a woman worth half of that of a man. Men are allowed to have many wives but if a woman wants to have many husband or at least wants her rights respected.... :-\ women arent even allowed to drive in the middleeast and are under the dominion of male members of the family. In the middleast servants brought in from other countries are constantly beaten and raped by these members of the religion of peace. One woman had nails drivrn into her.  In fact there a girl waiting for execution becuase she inadvertantly may have caused the death of an infant. This girl is a child herself. What idiot put her in charge of caring for an infant. Dd the islamic courts intercede on her behalf. No. The islamic courts also look the other way whenever workers in the middleast are unpaid or made to live in inhuman conditions.

So much for the religion of peace.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 23, 2012, 06:31:36 PM
This taliban destroying of budda temple, if im correct, was done years before sept 11. From my understanding of why the taliban did destroy the buddah statues etc, they had a couple of NGO's and businesses who wanted to spend millions to fix up and repair the budda statues, they were in bad condition even before the taliban touched them.The taliban said to them, the people and kids of afghanistan are dying, the live in poverty, no food, shelter, etc, and you want to spend millions  to repair statues when the money could come to better use.

At the end, the taliban destroyed them afetr negotiations crumbled.


Makes perfect sense to me.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 23, 2012, 06:37:19 PM
Makes perfect sense to me.

Yeah because the taliban would have made sure that money got distributed to the needy. ???

Good to know that you agree with the statues being destroyed. No reason to preserve any historical remains.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 23, 2012, 06:46:56 PM
Makes perfect sense to me.
To destroy someone's symbol of life, the most important thing they hold dearly, the thing they would die for, the greatest representative of their heritage, culture, tradition and pride. Wow you are a savage, heartless dimwit


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 23, 2012, 06:55:49 PM
To destroy someone's symbol of life, the most important thing they hold dearly, the thing they would die for, the greatest representative of their heritage, culture, tradition and pride. Wow you are a savage, heartless dimwit

There has been no budhists in afghanistan for centuries upon centuries upon centuries.

The lives of children and the poor are far more important than a piece of rock, an idol, that indeed crumbled no matter how large, it is still an idol moulded by human hands.

Buddha himself never ordered people to worship him or that he is god or that he is a deity or to be an idol to be worshipped, etc... people made that up after budha passed away.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Skeletor on October 23, 2012, 06:57:23 PM
This taliban destroying of budda temple, if im correct, was done years before sept 11. From my understanding of why the taliban did destroy the buddah statues etc, they had a couple of NGO's and businesses who wanted to spend millions to fix up and repair the budda statues, they were in bad condition even before the taliban touched them.The taliban said to them, the people and kids of afghanistan are dying, the live in poverty, no food, shelter, etc, and you want to spend millions  to repair statues when the money could come to better use.

At the end, the taliban destroyed them afetr negotiations crumbled.



The Taliban are such humanitarians.. ::)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 23, 2012, 06:59:03 PM
The Taliban are such humanitarians.. ::)


Well Americans are so much better, they sent bombs down crumbling all Afghan homes.

It shows the ignorance of people. What do you know about the taliban besides what tv told you? Seriously? Have you ever actually talked to one or listened to one or met one? I haven't, but I've listened to interviews of them, it contrasts what the mainstream media indeed says or does.

Why are americans portrayed as heroes in the media? They killed over a hundred thousand Afghans, destablized a country, installed a crooked puppet regime, made the country run by criminal thug warlords and drug traders, rapists, homos (literally) etc...


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Skeletor on October 23, 2012, 07:00:19 PM
There has been no budhists in afghanistan for centuries upon centuries upon centuries.

You have said that before but never replied to this: how would muslims react if an old islamic site or mosque was demolished?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Skeletor on October 23, 2012, 07:01:55 PM
Well Americans are so much better, they sent bombs down crumbling all Afghan homes.

Notice I didn't mention Americans.

It shows the ignorance of people. What do you know about the taliban besides what tv told you? Seriously? Have you ever actually talked to one or listened to one or met one? I haven't, but I've listened to interviews of them, it contrasts what the mainstream media indeed says or does.

The irony..


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 23, 2012, 07:05:41 PM
Well Americans are so much better, they sent bombs down crumbling all Afghan homes.

It shows the ignorance of people. What do you know about the taliban besides what tv told you? Seriously? Have you ever actually talked to one or listened to one or met one? I haven't, but I've listened to interviews of them, it contrasts what the mainstream media indeed says or does.

Why are americans portrayed as heroes in the media? They killed over a hundred thousand Afghans, destablized a country, installed a crooked puppet regime, made the country run by criminal thug warlords and drug traders, rapists, homos (literally) etc...

I've heard about the taliban from women who faced their brutality first hand. Habitat for humanity was quite an enriching experience since i got to travel and see other cultures and speak to people with different backgrounds. Women and men who saw their daughters taken and gang raped in front of them.Women who begged islamic clerics for help and were ignored. There are plenty of afghani refugees from the taliban in canada so you should ask them how generous the taliban rule is. Shows how truly ignorant you are that you defend such a brutal regime.
Whenever someone who is muslim commits a crime you reaction is to whitewash it.

Go out there and talk to people instead of reading websites and watching tv. You'll be suprised at how people react to muslims globally


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 23, 2012, 07:07:03 PM
Notice I didn't mention Americans.

The irony..


Thats his go to response....the americans.. ::)
That excuses islamic attrocities
Ach-mutt is appropriate name.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 23, 2012, 07:14:56 PM
There has been no budhists in afghanistan for centuries upon centuries upon centuries.

The lives of children and the poor are far more important than a piece of rock, an idol, that indeed crumbled no matter how large, it is still an idol moulded by human hands.

Buddha himself never ordered people to worship him or that he is god or that he is a deity or to be an idol to be worshipped, etc... people made that up after budha passed away.
So you are admitting the motive here. lol after debating for pages upon pages you finally agreed they tore it down cause it was idolatry, lol

 Stop being a hypocrite symbols are where people drive themselves and can result in incredible feats of productivity's, besides you Muslims would let a million children die before the Mosque on the temple mount would get destroyed


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 23, 2012, 07:18:44 PM
100 percent true.

Another fact is onetimehard is a better person than am in terms of tolerating bullshit. So dont lump us in the same sentence.

I have a low tolerance for assholes who try to shove their religion in our faces.

You really need to stay away from a Religion board then.


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A good example is constantly posting about christians converting to islam. This seems to be done to belittle the christian on this board and is totally uncalled for. There is another gy called bigbobs on the religion board. who is constantly repeating this over and over. There seems to be a theme here.

Hey if you want to start shit you called down the thunder.

Sounds to me like this thread is mislabled. It should be called Christian Insecurities?  :-\


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 23, 2012, 07:22:28 PM
There has been no budhists in afghanistan for centuries upon centuries upon centuries.

The lives of children and the poor are far more important than a piece of rock, an idol, that indeed crumbled no matter how large, it is still an idol moulded by human hands.

Buddha himself never ordered people to worship him or that he is god or that he is a deity or to be an idol to be worshipped, etc... people made that up after budha passed away.

Wrong. There are buddhists in afganistan as well as in several other countries in that region. There arent large numbers but they are there. Thanks for showing off your ignorance once again. If the lives of humans are worth more than a rock why destroy it at all? The time and explosives the taliban used to set it up could have been spent in doing something far more worthwhile. Then again this shows a muslims intolerance for anything that is not part of their murderous cult. So much for the fact that muslims live in harmony with other religions..

The japanese govt offered to relocate the statues to preserve them as part of world history but that was rebuffed. The idea that the taliban would use any aid money for their own people is ludicrous. Ask any afghani how the taliban ruled over them and maybe you'll see the truth. But you're too busy living in your tiny world where muslims can do no wrong. Most muslims i spoke to regarding this condemned this act by the taliban. Then again you're a zealot so its nly natural that you'd defend radical islamic acts.



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 23, 2012, 07:23:26 PM
You really need to stay away from a Religion board then.


Sounds to me like this thread is mislabled. It should be called Christian Insecurities?  :-\

Maybe i should start promoting MLM schemes like you do.  ;)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 23, 2012, 07:27:25 PM
So you are admitting the motive here. lol after debating for pages upon pages you finally agreed they tore it down cause it was idolatry, lol

 Stop being a hypocrite symbols are where people drive themselves and can result in incredible feats of productivity's, besides you Muslims would let a million children die before the Mosque on the temple mount would get destroyed

What about the muslim custom of walking around the kaaba? Gathering around a black stone and oiling it. Hmm...sounds like another variation of idol worship. Why


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 23, 2012, 07:32:02 PM
You really need to stay away from a Religion board then.


Sounds to me like this thread is mislabled. It should be called Christian Insecurities?  :-\
We are not the ones saying or crying that people hate us, that is what insecurity means. Do you see MOS telling everyone he debates "oh you just hate Christians" NO because he is not insecure and I have been mocked here since 2007, go check my posts back then, I have gone to wars with atheist, and have never ever told not even one of them "oh, you guys just hate Christians" why, cause I am not insecure, You are confused on what is meant when I use that term.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 23, 2012, 07:33:49 PM
What about the muslim custom of walking around the kaaba? Gathering around a black stone and oiling it. Hmm...sounds like another variation of idol worship. Why
Bro if that got destroyed, wooooooooooosh, forget it, world war 3 here we go.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 23, 2012, 07:41:22 PM
We are not the ones saying or crying that people hate us, that is what insecurity means. Do you see MOS telling everyone he debates "oh you just hate Christians" NO because he is not insecure and I have been mocked here since 2007, go check my posts back then, I have gone to wars with atheist, and have never ever told not even one of them "oh, you guys just hate Christians" why, cause I am not insecure, You are confused on what is meant when I use that term.

Its useless trying to reason with her dude. You've read her past posts. She's too far beyond the reach of any intelligent debate or reasoning.

Out of curiosity i checked her past posts and she's been involved with a number of MLM schemes so she makes her living by defrauding others. One of her earlier getbig names was jaguarenterprises. She's gotten a lot of flack from getbiggers in the past for her underhanded self promotional tactics.Apparently shes now promoting some gold MLM scheme.  Its not suprsing that she'd  join forces with other delusional retards.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 23, 2012, 07:43:22 PM
Bro if that got destroyed, wooooooooooosh, forget it, world war 3 here we go.

Suppose it got destroyed by an earthquake or natural disaster......

Islams response....the americans did it. JIHAD!!! ( again)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on October 23, 2012, 07:44:51 PM
You've been saying this for quite a while. What happens when a woman (or man) who has been converted to Islam changes mind or decides to leave for whatever reason?

They can leave.There is no compulsion in the islamic religion.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Alex23 on October 23, 2012, 07:45:33 PM
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Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 23, 2012, 07:51:27 PM
Every man sins, that is what is meant by the term "born sinner" duh... like talking to 9 year old. No one is born with sin literally, it just means that soon after they are born they will sin.

That's not true - at least according to the Bible. We're all, supposedly, born sinners, tainted because of Adam & Eve.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 23, 2012, 07:52:44 PM
Makes perfect sense to me.

 ::)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 23, 2012, 07:53:11 PM
They can leave.There is no compulsion in the islamic religion.

Ha ha yeah right. People who try to leave are shunned and recieve death threats. The ones who do convert or abandon religion altoghther switch to a different country to avoid the abuse. There wasa high profile case of one muslim who converted to christianity. The church decided to use him as an advertisement for their religion and he had to go underground thanks to all the death threats and abuse he recieved. Another case was a boy who had abandoned islam altoghther was almost killed by his so called best friends. Luckily his aunt had overheard their conversation and was able to warn him in time. When arrested they said islam allows the killing of those who abandon islam and those who do the killing of such deserters will be rewarded.

No compulsion my ass.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 23, 2012, 07:54:40 PM
That's not true - at least according to the Bible. We're all, supposedly, born sinners, tainted because of Adam & Eve.
Tainted by Adam yes but in the hereditary sense, like someone with the genetics to go bald, he is not born bald but going bald is unavoidable due to his hereditary qualities


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 23, 2012, 07:54:45 PM
Well Americans are so much better, they sent bombs down crumbling all Afghan homes.

A "my penis is bigger than yours" thing? Seriously? That's the best you can come up with?


It shows the ignorance of people. What do you know about the taliban besides what tv told you? Seriously? Have you ever actually talked to one or listened to one or met one? I haven't, but I've listened to interviews of them, it contrasts what the mainstream media indeed says or does.

Talk is cheap. Actions aren't. And the Taliban's actions speak louder than any interview.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 23, 2012, 07:58:39 PM
Yeah because the taliban would have made sure that money got distributed to the needy. ???

Good to know that you agree with the statues being destroyed. No reason to preserve any historical remains.

I don't agree with the statues being destroyed. I simply said his explanation made perfect sense.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 23, 2012, 07:59:23 PM
Tainted by Adam yes but in the hereditary sense, like someone with the genetics to go bald, he is not born bald but going bald is unavoidable due to his hereditary qualities


What does this mean, even? "In the hereditary sense"? Are you suggesting we are "predisposed" to sin? I'll simply quote Ayn Rand, as she explained it quite nicely. All emphasis mine:

Your code begins by damning man as evil, then demands that he practice a good which it defines as impossible for him to practice. It demands, as his first proof of virtue, that he accept his own depravity without proof. It demands that he start, not with a standard of value, but with a standard of evil, which is himself, by means of which he is then to define the good: the good is that which he is not.

It does not matter who then becomes the profiteer on his renounced glory and tormented soul, a mystic God with some incomprehensible design or any passer-by whose rotting sores are held as some inexplicable claim upon him—it does not matter, the good is not for him to understand, his duty is to crawl through years of penance, atoning for the guilt of his existence to any stray collector of unintelligible debts, his only concept of a value is a zero: the good is that which is non-man.

The name of this monstrous absurdity is Original Sin.

A sin without volition is a slap at morality and an insolent contradiction in terms: that which is outside the possibility of choice is outside the province of morality. If man is evil by birth, he has no will, no power to change it; if he has no will, he can be neither good nor evil; a robot is amoral. To hold, as man’s sin, a fact not open to his choice is a mockery of morality. To hold man’s nature as his sin is a mockery of nature. To punish him for a crime he committed before he was born is a mockery of justice. To hold him guilty in a matter where no innocence exists is a mockery of reason. To destroy morality, nature, justice and reason by means of a single concept is a feat of evil hardly to be matched. Yet that is the root of your code.

Do not hide behind the cowardly evasion that man is born with free will, but with a “tendency” to evil. A free will saddled with a tendency is like a game with loaded dice. It forces man to struggle through the effort of playing, to bear responsibility and pay for the game, but the decision is weighted in favor of a tendency that he had no power to escape. If the tendency is of his choice, he cannot possess it at birth; if it is not of his choice, his will is not free.

What is the nature of the guilt that your teachers call his Original Sin? What are the evils man acquired when he fell from a state they consider perfection? Their myth declares that he ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge—he acquired a mind and became a rational being. It was the knowledge of good and evil—he became a moral being. He was sentenced to earn his bread by his labor—he became a productive being. He was sentenced to experience desire—he acquired the capacity of sexual enjoyment. The evils for which they damn him are reason, morality, creativeness, joy—all the cardinal values of his existence. It is not his vices that their myth of man’s fall is designed to explain and condemn, it is not his errors that they hold as his guilt, but the essence of his nature as man. Whatever he was—that robot in the Garden of Eden, who existed without mind, without values, without labor, without love—he was not man.

Man’s fall, according to your teachers, was that he gained the virtues required to live. These virtues, by their standard, are his Sin. His evil, they charge, is that he’s man. His guilt, they charge, is that he lives.

They call it a morality of mercy and a doctrine of love for man.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Alex23 on October 23, 2012, 07:59:57 PM
maybe I have ADD but this board is fucking too much... get a life losers.  ;D


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 23, 2012, 08:00:06 PM
I don't agree with the statues being destroyed. I simply said his explanation made perfect sense.

For some definition of perfect, at any rate.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Skeletor on October 23, 2012, 08:02:33 PM
They can leave.There is no compulsion in the islamic religion.

What about Sahih Bukhari 4.260? I am no "theologian" or Islamic scholar but while it is not in the Qu'ran, it is still one considered of the pillars of Sunni Islam. Is there a certain interpretation to that?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 23, 2012, 08:18:33 PM

What does this mean, even? "In the hereditary sense"? Are you suggesting we are "predisposed" to sin? I'll simply quote Ayn Rand, as she explained it quite nicely. All emphasis mine:

Your code begins by damning man as evil, then demands that he practice a good which it defines as impossible for him to practice. It demands, as his first proof of virtue, that he accept his own depravity without proof. It demands that he start, not with a standard of value, but with a standard of evil, which is himself, by means of which he is then to define the good: the good is that which he is not.

It does not matter who then becomes the profiteer on his renounced glory and tormented soul, a mystic God with some incomprehensible design or any passer-by whose rotting sores are held as some inexplicable claim upon him—it does not matter, the good is not for him to understand, his duty is to crawl through years of penance, atoning for the guilt of his existence to any stray collector of unintelligible debts, his only concept of a value is a zero: the good is that which is non-man.

The name of this monstrous absurdity is Original Sin.

A sin without volition is a slap at morality and an insolent contradiction in terms: that which is outside the possibility of choice is outside the province of morality. If man is evil by birth, he has no will, no power to change it; if he has no will, he can be neither good nor evil; a robot is amoral. To hold, as man’s sin, a fact not open to his choice is a mockery of morality. To hold man’s nature as his sin is a mockery of nature. To punish him for a crime he committed before he was born is a mockery of justice. To hold him guilty in a matter where no innocence exists is a mockery of reason. To destroy morality, nature, justice and reason by means of a single concept is a feat of evil hardly to be matched. Yet that is the root of your code.

Do not hide behind the cowardly evasion that man is born with free will, but with a “tendency” to evil. A free will saddled with a tendency is like a game with loaded dice. It forces man to struggle through the effort of playing, to bear responsibility and pay for the game, but the decision is weighted in favor of a tendency that he had no power to escape. If the tendency is of his choice, he cannot possess it at birth; if it is not of his choice, his will is not free.

What is the nature of the guilt that your teachers call his Original Sin? What are the evils man acquired when he fell from a state they consider perfection? Their myth declares that he ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge—he acquired a mind and became a rational being. It was the knowledge of good and evil—he became a moral being. He was sentenced to earn his bread by his labor—he became a productive being. He was sentenced to experience desire—he acquired the capacity of sexual enjoyment. The evils for which they damn him are reason, morality, creativeness, joy—all the cardinal values of his existence. It is not his vices that their myth of man’s fall is designed to explain and condemn, it is not his errors that they hold as his guilt, but the essence of his nature as man. Whatever he was—that robot in the Garden of Eden, who existed without mind, without values, without labor, without love—he was not man.

Man’s fall, according to your teachers, was that he gained the virtues required to live. These virtues, by their standard, are his Sin. His evil, they charge, is that he’s man. His guilt, they charge, is that he lives.

They call it a morality of mercy and a doctrine of love for man.
What does this mean, even? "In the hereditary sense"? Are you suggesting we are "predisposed" to sin? Yes that is what the Bible means bro, trust me a have nearly 10 000 hours studying the Bible.

The predisposed sin is a hereditary trait in the male that is passed down from father to son generation upon generation, that is why the Bible specifically says Adam, ...

   "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned"

 This is precisely the reason why Jesus was born of a virgin because Jesus had to be sinless in his entire life so had he had a male biological father he also would have inherited sin, you follow                              


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 23, 2012, 08:19:51 PM
I don't agree with the statues being destroyed. I simply said his explanation made perfect sense.

Not suprising that the reasoning of a murderous regime like the taliban would make "perfect" sense to you.
Certain branches of islam support female cicumcision. That would make sense to you as well if achmutt or stingray back that much like they back taliban ideology.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 23, 2012, 08:22:09 PM
maybe I have ADD but this board is fucking too much... get a life losers.  ;D
SILENCE  :P


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 23, 2012, 08:22:58 PM
What does this mean, even? "In the hereditary sense"? Are you suggesting we are "predisposed" to sin? Yes that is what the Bible means bro, trust me a have nearly 10 000 hours studying the Bible.

The predisposed sin is a hereditary trait in the male that is passed down from father to son generation upon generation, that is why the Bible specifically says Adam, ...

   "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned"

 This is precisely the reason why Jesus was born of a virgin because Jesus had to be sinless in his entire life so had he had a male biological father he also would have inherited sin, you follow                              

As Ayn Rand said: "Do not hide behind the cowardly evasion that man is born with free will, but with a “tendency” to evil. A free will saddled with a tendency is like a game with loaded dice. It forces man to struggle through the effort of playing, to bear responsibility and pay for the game, but the decision is weighted in favor of a tendency that he had no power to escape. If the tendency is of his choice, he cannot possess it at birth; if it is not of his choice, his will is not free."


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 23, 2012, 08:28:36 PM
As Ayn Rand said: "Do not hide behind the cowardly evasion that man is born with free will, but with a “tendency” to evil. A free will saddled with a tendency is like a game with loaded dice. It forces man to struggle through the effort of playing, to bear responsibility and pay for the game, but the decision is weighted in favor of a tendency that he had no power to escape. If the tendency is of his choice, he cannot possess it at birth; if it is not of his choice, his will is not free."

There is still free will, you can minimize sin considerably, it is not an off or on button with only 2 options. The difference between a tiny sin once every ten years vs Hitler is astronomical, I would say we still have free will bro


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 23, 2012, 08:31:05 PM
There is still free will, you can minimize sin considerably, it is not an off or on button with only 2 options. The difference between a tiny sin once every ten years vs Hitler is astronomical, I would say we still have free will bro

Your God disagrees: one small sin, or a million large ones, it's all the same.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 23, 2012, 08:42:05 PM
Your God disagrees: one small sin, or a million large ones, it's all the same.
No it is not and yes I am aware James ch 2 vs 10, but God makes it clear we will be judged for every single sin on judgement day


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Skeletor on October 23, 2012, 08:52:16 PM
No it is not and yes I am aware James ch 2 vs 10, but God makes it clear we will be judged for every single sin on judgement day

No group discounts or repeat customer/sinner bonus? ;)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 23, 2012, 08:58:47 PM
No group discounts or repeat customer/sinner bonus? ;)
;D


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Alex23 on October 23, 2012, 09:04:18 PM
SILENCE  :P

Calm Biden it's not that toupe serious.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 23, 2012, 09:27:19 PM
No it is not and yes I am aware James ch 2 vs 10, but God makes it clear we will be judged for every single sin on judgement day

I meant it's all the same in the sense that one sin "costs" as much as a million.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on October 23, 2012, 09:45:32 PM
Ha ha yeah right. People who try to leave are shunned and recieve death threats. The ones who do convert or abandon religion altoghther switch to a different country to avoid the abuse. There wasa high profile case of one muslim who converted to christianity. The church decided to use him as an advertisement for their religion and he had to go underground thanks to all the death threats and abuse he recieved. Another case was a boy who had abandoned islam altoghther was almost killed by his so called best friends. Luckily his aunt had overheard their conversation and was able to warn him in time. When arrested they said islam allows the killing of those who abandon islam and those who do the killing of such deserters will be rewarded.

No compulsion my ass.

I understand you have a billion stories about muslims, but at the end of the day, the prophet Mohamed is my teacher and i follow his teachings when it comes to religion.I wouldnt give a damn if every msulism for example stole, cheated, abused etc, the prophet Mohamed didnt teach us to steal, cheat, harm etc, so in essence he is my example.

And myself posting as a muslim, if somebody came to me and wants to leave islam, and not many people leave islam anyway, i would sit the person down and work out the issue he has.If the are adamant they were to leave, then i would feel sorry for them, and will disagree with his conclusion, but that doesnt give me the right to harm or abuse the person.At the end of the day, God will judge him.

Prophet Mohamed parents were non muslims, did he abuse or hurt them,NO.Prophet Mohameds uncle was a non muslim, his neighbours were non muslims, did he harm them because there not muslim, NO.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on October 24, 2012, 03:52:43 AM
the prophet Mohamed is my teacher, so in essence he is my example.


HA HA, your role model is a pedo, shouldn't that be a crime, following in the footsteps of the worlds most famous paedophile.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on October 24, 2012, 04:14:13 AM
HA HA, your role model is a pedo, shouldn't that be a crime, following in the footsteps of the worlds most famous paedophile.

Go keep recyling your posts.You must have limited vocabulary.
 Or did your dad after he bashed you destroy your brain cells?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Internet Tough Guy on October 24, 2012, 04:37:05 AM
HA HA, your role model is a pedo, shouldn't that be a crime, following in the footsteps of the worlds most famous illiterate paedophile.

fixed


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on October 24, 2012, 04:39:15 AM
Go keep recyling your posts.You must have limited vocabulary.
 Or did your dad after he bashed you destroy your brain cells?


Don't you feel shame that you worship a man who sexually took advantage of and exploited young girls.  Who raped and murdered, who advocated violence, who had an insatiable blood lust and whose heart was overwhelmed with hatred.  Don't you feel embarrassed to consider him the IDEAL man, don't you feel stupid in the most technologically advanced times that man has ever seen you choose to follow barbaric texts written in the dark ages that lead you to be ridiculed by those with a modicum of intelligence.  Or does the same low level of intelligence that sees you practice Islam also protect you from being aware of what a complete buffoon you appear to the rest of the world.  So maybe, being a complete idiot is a blessing and a curse, you are so dumb that you believe in Islam, but that same stupidity prevents you from being aware of how others perceive you as a complete moron.  It's hard to know whether or not to pity you or envy you.

 I doubt you are even intelligent enough to understand this post.  Go On, post something dumb, if you are too dumbstruck at the current moment, just quote the koran, nobody will tell the difference.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: garebear on October 24, 2012, 07:23:44 AM
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Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 24, 2012, 09:18:57 AM
I'm starting to believe that E-Kul had a terrible childhood and his father used to abuse him or abandoned him so he is taking his anger out on God and on religion, and in particular now is taking an abusive stance towards Islam and Muslims.

He admits to never having read the qur'an or commentary of the qur'an (tafsir) and insists on refusing to do so, so he keeps uttering his ignorace over and over again.

The amusing thing is he makes blatant errors about our beliefs and faith over and over again. Pretty typical thinking we worship 'a man' lol, confused from reading too many Christian websites attacking Islam. We don't worship any human being or any part of creation.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 24, 2012, 10:03:00 AM
Not suprising that the reasoning of a murderous regime like the taliban would make "perfect" sense to you.
Certain branches of islam support female cicumcision. That would make sense to you as well if achmutt or stingray back that much like they back taliban ideology.

And certain Abrahamic religions support male circumcism. If I don't agree with male circumcism, what on earth would make you think I'd be a supporter, let alone defender of female circumcism?
You really need to take a valium.  ::)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 24, 2012, 10:09:50 AM
Don't you feel shame that you worship a man...

I don't believe Stingray claimed to worship a man, ...he claims to worship God, ...who he calls Allah.



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Man of Steel on October 24, 2012, 11:42:04 AM
Yes you have posted images disrespecting Muhammad (pbuh). It was in the atheist thread. I shall not repeat what they were as it is disgusting and it shows you being very little different from some of the people on this forum.

I just realized you let that hatred out at that moment, up until that point prior, I thought we were discussing the bible and it's verses sincerely. You have proven that no matter what you will interpret the bible selectively to continue worshiping a Jewish man, created by God, sent by God to the children of israell.

Your long response basically says does this deny Jesus' divinity. No.

That makes no sense. How can God not know, then be God at the same time. You are just not accepting the facts because you want to continue in your worship of a man, calling a man God. You see what you want when you want selectively and vice versa.

Jesus himself iterated over and over again many proofs of him being a man, a prophet, etc...

He prayed three times in Matthew. His companions even fell asleep and he continued to pray "to his God". He was not praying to himself.

Remember, it is paul who brought about this worship of Jesus ultimately and pauline christianity is what prevailed. Paul a pharisees Jew, a persecutor of Jesus' followers and none of the disciples of Jesus EVER accepted Paul.

ahmed, please show me the vile images I've posted.   I've requested this 4 times now.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 24, 2012, 12:35:15 PM
I checked and I mixed it up with e-kul, you are right you havent' posted pictures. You were just all talking the same tone and I mistook you both for the same. My appologies.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Man of Steel on October 24, 2012, 12:39:44 PM
I checked and I mixed it up with e-kul, you are right you havent' posted pictures. You were just all talking the same tone and I mistook you both for the same. My appologies.

I appreciate that....mistakes happen, apology accepted.  (all homo)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on October 24, 2012, 03:06:01 PM
I'm starting to believe that E-Kul had a terrible childhood and his father used to abuse him or abandoned him so he is taking his anger out on God and on religion, and in particular now is taking an abusive stance towards Islam and Muslims.

He admits to never having read the qur'an or commentary of the qur'an (tafsir) and insists on refusing to do so, so he keeps uttering his ignorace over and over again.

The amusing thing is he makes blatant errors about our beliefs and faith over and over again. Pretty typical thinking we worship 'a man' lol, confused from reading too many Christian websites attacking Islam. We don't worship any human being or any part of creation.

Bingo, a terrible childhood had led him to be a terrible adult. I feel sorry for him in a way. I can only imagine how he treats his friends and family.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on October 24, 2012, 03:12:07 PM
Don't you feel shame that you worship a man who sexually took advantage of and exploited young girls.  Who raped and murdered, who advocated violence, who had an insatiable blood lust and whose heart was overwhelmed with hatred.  Don't you feel embarrassed to consider him the IDEAL man, don't you feel stupid in the most technologically advanced times that man has ever seen you choose to follow barbaric texts written in the dark ages that lead you to be ridiculed by those with a modicum of intelligence.  Or does the same low level of intelligence that sees you practice Islam also protect you from being aware of what a complete buffoon you appear to the rest of the world.  So maybe, being a complete idiot is a blessing and a curse, you are so dumb that you believe in Islam, but that same stupidity prevents you from being aware of how others perceive you as a complete moron.  It's hard to know whether or not to pity you or envy you.

 I doubt you are even intelligent enough to understand this post.  Go On, post something dumb, if you are too dumbstruck at the current moment, just quote the koran, nobody will tell the difference.

Overwhelmed by hatred? Did you tell your dad that as he was bashing you?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: garebear on October 24, 2012, 05:25:58 PM
And certain Abrahamic religions support male circumcism. If I don't agree with male circumcism, what on earth would make you think I'd be a supporter, let alone defender of female circumcism?
You really need to take a valium.  ::)
Sewing the pussies of young girls together so that they derive no sexual pleasure is part of Islamic culture.

Why are you so anti-Islamic?



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 24, 2012, 06:17:25 PM
I meant it's all the same in the sense that one sin "costs" as much as a million.
Oh, I see what you meant and yes you are right but it is a little more complicated then that.



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on October 24, 2012, 08:33:39 PM
Sewing the pussies of young girls together so that they derive no sexual pleasure is part of Islamic culture.

Why are you so anti-Islamic?



As you said, its cultural practice.My wife still has her clit, and my daughters are not circumcised and i will never circumsize them.

Usually the african nations practice female circumsision, but less prominent for example in the middle east, and very rarely in western grown muslims.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on October 24, 2012, 08:42:35 PM
Overwhelmed by hatred? Did you tell your dad that as he was bashing you?
You are incredibly butt hurt aren't you, in an attempt to make me feel bad you keep bringing up my childhood which i shared about in another thread, sorry to inform you, it won't work, I am 40 years old now, I dealt with the issue in my early twenties and I do not feel any shame or guilt in relation to my childhood, it is just what it is, there is nothing I can do to change it.  What is telling is your need to ridicule and shame those who have experienced child abuse, it isn't surprising considering you worship a Man who raped a child.  Your attempts to make light of child abuse and attempts to victimise them further is just one more reason why Islam should be wiped from the face of the Earth, it is a violent, barbaric ideology, that encourages abuses of men, women and children.  It is utterly perverse, just like those who are drawn towards it.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 24, 2012, 08:48:14 PM
wow so i was right...


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on October 24, 2012, 08:48:27 PM
The prophet Mohamed is my teacher so in essence he is my example.

Don't you feel shame that you worship a man who sexually took advantage of and exploited young girls.  Who raped and murdered, who advocated violence, who had an insatiable blood lust and whose heart was overwhelmed with hatred.  Don't you feel embarrassed to consider him the IDEAL man.

I don't believe Stingray claimed to worship a man, ...he claims to worship God, ...who he calls Allah.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 24, 2012, 08:49:47 PM
E-Kul is a drone, he keeps repeating shit thinking he's making a point even if it's complete bullocks.

So wow... I am baffled, I was right, you were abused as a child, that explains a lot sadly. I feel sorry for you.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on October 24, 2012, 08:49:55 PM
I can only imagine how he treats his friends and family.

I treat my friends as friends, and family as family, But for those who are part of a violent evil ideology that has caused untold suffering, those I have no time for and heap condemnation upon.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 24, 2012, 08:50:51 PM
I treat my friends as friends, and family as family, But for those who are part of a violent evil ideology that has caused untold suffering, those I have no time for and heap condemnation upon.

It seems like you are directing your inner struggle and bottled up anger of childhood abuse towards Islam. Even though you keep repeating blattant lies and errors towards what we believe and who we are.

So many times you keep reiterating that we worship Muhammad (pbuh), you don't learn quickly do you?

You must have trust issues then too as a result no matter how many times we tell you what is our religion you can't trust us due to the lack of trust you had from your own family :-/

You need to chilax and stop being such a walking anger bomb


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on October 24, 2012, 08:52:38 PM
E-Kul is a drone, he keeps repeating shit thinking he's making a point even if it's complete bullocks.

So wow... I am baffled, I was right, you were abused as a child, that explains a lot sadly. I feel sorry for you.
I am a long way from my childhood, and sadly it is you who are the victim now!  As an adult, I have been able to protect myself from others abuse, sadly, you haven't, and have become just one more victim in the long line of victims to a violent oppressive ideology.  I feel sorry for you!


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 24, 2012, 08:53:52 PM
I am a long way from my childhood, and sadly it is you who are the victim now!  As an adult, I have been able to protect myself from others abuse, sadly, you haven't, and have become just one more victim in the long line of victims to a violent oppressive ideology.  I feel sorry for you!

You are sounding very defensive despite trying to dissacoiate yourself from your past no matter your age now. Seems like you have not gotten over this thing.

It's like you have the need to keep repeating lies to hide the facts that are deep inside you. You need to face reality man. You are not doing yourself service... that's just wrong. Don't take your own anger upon others or lie about others. Come clean.

Believe me no one in my family feels oppressed, you are the one that was oppressed as a child.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on October 24, 2012, 09:01:13 PM
It seems like you are directing your inner struggle and bottled up anger of childhood abuse towards Islam. Even though you keep repeating blattant lies and errors towards what we believe and who we are.

So many times you keep reiterating that we worship Muhammad (pbuh), you don't learn quickly do you?

You must have trust issues then too as a result no matter how many times we tell you what is our religion you can't trust us due to the lack of trust you had from your own family :-/

You need to chilax and stop being such a walking anger bomb
I couldn't give a fuck about Islam, if you fucked off, which I and most of the rest of Getbig are hoping for, Islam won't get a second mention.  Sadly, Muslims are dumb Cun+s and like most zealots aren't capable of taking a hint, nobody at Getbig want to listen to you constantly repeat yourself about your evil religion.  What most people want, is to be free not to be bothered by religious NUTS, in secular countries, this is pretty much universal, but freaks like yourself are so far removed from reality you are incapable of becoming aware of this, your sickness, which you like to call faith has separated you from the human race.  The very fact you continue to bombard the boards with islamic Bullshit is just one more reason Islam should be wiped from the face of the Earth, because it's followers are incapable of not bothering those who have no interest in it.  

You will never convert anyone here, all you will do is push them further away from Islam, it is because of people like you that Islam is hated, I actually never cared either way until i saw you carrying on about it, it was after reading your posts and doing a little research i realised that any group that obsessive, that unaware, that determined to upset other people is a problem.  t is after corresponding with you here that I realised how disgusting ISLAM was and how the people who believed in it need a good beat down and told to fuck off every-time they try and stuff their lies and propaganda down other peoples throats.  

The only way to deal with a bully, and that's what proponents of Islam are, Bullies, is to stand up to them and use the same force that they direct at their victims.  I can't stand bullies, and nor can most of the western world, and that's why Islam is HATED.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on October 24, 2012, 09:03:59 PM

Believe me no one in my family feels oppressed, you are the one that was oppressed as a child.
Sadly, most of the people involved in Islam feel oppressed, your obvious need to talk about my childhood abuses is an overt attempt to make me feel bad.  it is pretty perverted, but I wouldn't expect anything less from a a follower of a religion started by a PERVERT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV4ODjgFYLM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTFRTAlavFQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYMNiSnlz_w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0joZr2LlLo


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on October 24, 2012, 11:05:28 PM
I treat my friends as friends, and family as family, But for those who are part of a violent evil ideology that has caused untold suffering, those I have no time for and heap condemnation upon.

Whats the weapon of choice when you bash your family and freinds?

Baseball bat, cricket bat, belt?

If you got no time to talk, then dont reply to the islamic threads weirdo.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: tbombz on October 25, 2012, 07:26:42 PM
But if it does exist humans need to be able to attain it or discover it, otherwise it remains hidden from Truth and the possibility of it not existing is equally valid.  Your assuming it does exist and that humans just are unaware of it, until it can be validated the opposite theory also remains an option, that truth, perfection and divinity don't exist.  It is imperative that humans discover the real truth, until then we're going to have all types of crazies running around claiming they have uncovered the truth based on faith and the rest of us who place their faith in science and the slow unremitting and unravelling of knowledge and wisdom are going to have to tolerate their lack of wisdom and real insight.  If perfection, truth or divinity exist, it must be verifiable and not the wishful thinking of indoctrinated idiots.  To suggest it may exist but we will forever remain unaware of it is pointless, it is the equivalent of suggesting there is a heaven full of virgins, it sounds nice, but is obviously unverifiable and based on the laws of probability and humanity's current understanding of the universe, Highly improbable.

Also I think you are missing the point of the statement "Truth doesn't exist" , for this statement to be true, Truth must exist.  Paradox I believe holds answers to the universe, like the laws of physics don't apply  at the atomic - or subatomic level. Quantum physics is the next stage of our intellectual evolution, and will begin to unlock the mystery behind Paradox.
your second paragraph is very good. the first one, entirely bullshit.  ;D


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on October 25, 2012, 11:28:03 PM
your second paragraph is very good. the first one, entirely bullshit.  ;D
Perhaps you just didn't understand it! In other words, theories are just that until proven, if proof wasn't necessary, one could live in a fairy tale existence (like Muslims)  Anybody could make all sorts of claims, and say just because you can't discover it, or prove it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.  The burden of proof must be on the one making the claim, and not the other way around, otherwise one could claim an infinite number of absurdities (The great spaghetti monster in the sky) and then dare others to disprove it, knowing they can't do this they put the burden of disproving it on others, this is Nonsense.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on October 26, 2012, 12:53:46 AM
Perhaps you just didn't understand it! In other words, theories are just that until proven, if proof wasn't necessary, one could live in a fairy tale existence (like Muslims)  Anybody could make all sorts of claims, and say just because you can't discover it, or prove it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.  The burden of proof must be on the one making the claim, and not the other way around, otherwise one could claim an infinite number of absurdities (The great spaghetti monster in the sky) and then dare others to disprove it, knowing they can't do this they put the burden of disproving it on others, this is Nonsense.

Maybe read this PDF e-kul, and maybe put your anger and hatred aside for 1 hr of you life and use you heart abit more,

http://elazhar.com/okdown1/islam-guide.pdf


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on October 26, 2012, 12:57:34 AM
Maybe read this PDF e-kul, and maybe put your anger and hatred aside for 1 hr of you life and use you heart abit more,

http://elazhar.com/okdown1/islam-guide.pdf
Yeah, Na! I am not interested in Islam! nor am I interested in God.  God and religion are empty and meaningless, and only distract one from discovering the correct way to live, one that is fulfilling, meaningful and healthy!  Time is precious, and not to be wasted on things of no consequence.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on October 26, 2012, 01:00:29 AM
Yeah, Na! I am not interested in Islam! nor am I interested in God.  God and religion are empty and meaningless, and only distract one from discovering the correct way to live, one that is fulfilling, meaningful and healthy!  Time is precious, and not to be wasted on things of no consequence.

Thats cool bro.I tried to convey the message, i have done my duty as a muslim, and i promise you you will meet your creator.So maybe go and convince him and he will be the judgee


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 26, 2012, 03:44:51 AM
Maybe read this PDF e-kul, and maybe put your anger and hatred aside for 1 hr of you life and use you heart abit more,

http://elazhar.com/okdown1/islam-guide.pdf
maybe put your anger and hatred aside for 1 hr of you life and use you heart abit more

That is good advise but same to you, you should also follow that advise and read the Gospel instead of reading a man made text from a false prophet  ;)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: garebear on October 26, 2012, 03:48:48 AM
Serious question - is this true or false?

Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: garebear on October 26, 2012, 03:49:50 AM
True or false?

Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Man of Steel on October 26, 2012, 09:14:02 AM
Serious question - is this true or false?

Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
True or false?

Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

This isn't apart of the Quran though, correct?  Isn't this apart of the Hadith...separate from the Quran?  I don't how vital the Hadith is to Islam, but I would assume if "death for apostasy" isn't in the Quran then it's not fundamental Islam? 

Someone educate me? 

I was also told that the Quran indicated that Christians worship God the Father, Mary the Mother and Jesus Christ (no mention of the Holy Spirit).  I've read ahmed say that the bible mentions God as mother (no scripture, just the statement), but I've never heard a reference to the Quran indicating Christians worshiping Mary.  Certainly Catholics worship Mary (maybe worship is too strong a word), but I'd be interested to understand that as well.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on October 26, 2012, 01:16:57 PM
This isn't apart of the Quran though, correct?  Isn't this apart of the Hadith...separate from the Quran?  I don't how vital the Hadith is to Islam, but I would assume if "death for apostasy" isn't in the Quran then it's not fundamental Islam? 

Someone educate me? 

I was also told that the Quran indicated that Christians worship God the Father, Mary the Mother and Jesus Christ (no mention of the Holy Spirit).  I've read ahmed say that the bible mentions God as mother (no scripture, just the statement), but I've never heard a reference to the Quran indicating Christians worshiping Mary.  Certainly Catholics worship Mary (maybe worship is too strong a word), but I'd be interested to understand that as well.

Respect for the question.I wish more members could ask decent questions and articuate there posts and questions properly.

Maybe i can let Ahmed answer this question, looks like he has more knowledge with the christian-muslim differences.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 26, 2012, 02:46:19 PM
Sewing the pussies of young girls together so that they derive no sexual pleasure is part of Islamic culture.

Why are you so anti-Islamic?

You are referring to a "cultural practice" that is not part of the RELIGION.
...and they do not sew the labia together, they remove the clitoris.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on October 26, 2012, 06:11:03 PM
You are referring to a "cultural practice" that is not part of the RELIGION.
...and they do not sew the labia together, they remove the clitoris.


As a one-off, that argument would work well.

Watching Al Jazeera for an hour yesterday, here's what I witnessed.

- Moaque Bomb in Afghanistan kills 40 people
- Taliban says they shot a schoolgirl in Pakistan for promoting secularism
- Car Bomb in Syria kills people
- Iraqi barber killed by muslim militias because he used string to remove facial hair - which apparently is 'haram'
- Iraqi has his brother killed. Muslim militias stopped him in the street and asked him "Sunni or Shia?". He gave the wrong answer and was shot in the chest 18 times

You can claim that the people above in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan aren't 'real' muslims, aren't following the Q'uran, are executing a "cultural practice" but the fact remains that all of the things above were done in the name of Islam.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: ksa_triceps on October 26, 2012, 06:11:57 PM
How about Saudi men & women using bluetooth apps to communicate and set up sexual encounters?

At least in the West we talk to a girl first.

Those Muslim heathens just send a few text messages and up to a hotel room for a bit of slap & tickle.

Of course, if they get caught, it ends badly for both.

It is a well known fact that the Wahabis in Saudi are a  minority and most Saudi Muslims detest the place they live in and the extremists that run the police & religious police. Middle class people there aspire to getting a second home somewhere more reasonable - Lebanon, maybe Paris if they have money. They spend as much time outside of Saudi as humanly possible.

Go to the South of Thailand - just across the border from Malaysia, there are whole towns that cater to provide sexual services to Muslim men. Many Muslim Malays end up infecting their wives with HIV. There's plenty of Muslim men travelling to Bangkok too in order to get their rocks off.

You can't change human nature, you can only change the level of hypocrisy a society decides to use to gloss over things.

HAHAHAHA!

Bluetooth?!!! Sigh.....

You can call the religious police extremists but the police aren't extremists, far from that. Where do you get your info from?

Saudis are banned from going to Thailand, banned by the Saudi government due to diplomatic issue in the 90s or 80s.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on October 26, 2012, 06:24:55 PM
HAHAHAHA!

Bluetooth?!!! Sigh.....

You can call the religious police extremists but the police aren't extremists, far from that. Where do you get your info from?

Saudis are banned from going to Thailand, banned by the Saudi government due to diplomatic issue in the 90s or 80s.

Yes - Bluetooth.

There's apps that 'ping' other Bluetooth users in your area and chat across the connection. Bluetooth obviously because the message doesn't go across the public phone networks.

In terms of the information, I have a number of friends that work in Saudi but come to Thailand for R&R. These western men are REGULARLY approached by Muslim women there.

Arab Muslims are all over lower Sukhumvit in Bangkok. I don't 'get' that info anywhere - I just see what those guys do. They have a real penchant for fat Russian hookers with too much eye make up.

As for the Muslim Malay men coming across the border in the South where thousands of prostitutes work to service Muslim men - again, seen it.

The Sauds would never have been able to create the Kingdom in the first place without getting into bed with the Wahabis - which is Saudi is so fucked up. The Wahabis are a powerful minority forcing their will upon the masses who  simply fucking hate the place. Your average Saudi citizen is not happy with the way they are forced to live.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: ksa_triceps on October 26, 2012, 07:04:03 PM
Yes - Bluetooth.

There's apps that 'ping' other Bluetooth users in your area and chat across the connection. Bluetooth obviously because the message doesn't go across the public phone networks.

In terms of the information, I have a number of friends that work in Saudi but come to Thailand for R&R. These western men are REGULARLY approached by Muslim women there.

Arab Muslims are all over lower Sukhumvit in Bangkok. I don't 'get' that info anywhere - I just see what those guys do. They have a real penchant for fat Russian hookers with too much eye make up.

As for the Muslim Malay men coming across the border in the South where thousands of prostitutes work to service Muslim men - again, seen it.

The Sauds would never have been able to create the Kingdom in the first place without getting into bed with the Wahabis - which is Saudi is so fucked up. The Wahabis are a powerful minority forcing their will upon the masses who  simply fucking hate the place. Your average Saudi citizen is not happy with the way they are forced to live.

Who uses bluetooth. Iphones only allow for A2DP and androids are a bit puzzling with the file transfer profile and leaving your phone on and ready to receive files. Not to mention the range limitation etc.... Come one, bluetooth!

Men are approached by women? so? What does that prove?.. And why are you saying "Muslim" women and ""Western" men, why not use religion for both or discard religion as it has nothing to do with the pointless comment that you just made.

You were saying Saudis are all over Thailand now it's Arab Muslims... Make up your mind. Your statement was wrong, It's ok.

Wahabism is a term that describes the people that follow Mohamad bin abdulwahab's interpretations, he was the religious ally to Mohamed bin saud the first king to the first "Saudi" state.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on October 26, 2012, 07:53:42 PM
Who uses bluetooth. Iphones only allow for A2DP and androids are a bit puzzling with the file transfer profile and leaving your phone on and ready to receive files. Not to mention the range limitation etc.... Come one, bluetooth!

Yes - Bluetooth.

Women & men can't talk to each other in public. In the lobby of a 5 star hotel OR in a shopping mall, they can 'discover' each other and chat. The good thing about the range limitation is that the authorities can't track their messages either. Often 5-Star hotel lifts go down to the shopping malls below. So you can get in a lift at a shopping mall and straight up to the room levels for a hookup.

Men are approached by women? so? What does that prove?.. And why are you saying "Muslim" women and ""Western" men, why not use religion for both or discard religion as it has nothing to do with the pointless comment that you just made.

Well - both occur. Muslim men hook up with Muslim women this way. Muslim women also approach Western men. The practise of 'flashing' is also an interesting thing there. Saudi women will walk past your table in a restaurant/cafe and open their burqa at the side to reveal their jeans & t-shirt underneath. Whilst it's not flashing in the western sense, it means "I am normal, I am available" out there.

As for what it proves - just that people are people. That the Muslim world isn't pure, it's just a facade.

You were saying Saudis are all over Thailand now it's Arab Muslims... Make up your mind. Your statement was wrong, It's ok.

Well - both. But come & see for yourself. You'll find plenty of Saudi men in Thailand, very rich ones. I suggest you start at Bumrungrad Hospital check-up center. Then down to the whorehouses that cater for their ilk.

Wahabism is a term that describes the people that follow Mohamad bin abdulwahab's interpretations, he was the religious ally to Mohamed bin saud the first king to the first "Saudi" state.

Abdul Aziz Bin Saud could got into bed with the Wahabis as he didn't have the might to complete his conquests alone. The Suadi royal family made a deal with the devil there which I am sure they regret. It is a shame that the Saudi people live under this oppression because it is obviously not a lifestyle they would have chose.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on October 26, 2012, 07:57:24 PM
More on Bluetooth dating here

http://www.lovehabibi.com/blog/2009/09/07/bluetooth-the-new-buzz-in-saudi-dating/

http://undertheabaya.wordpress.com/2011/07/01/saudi-dating-scene/

http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/cell-phones-bluetooth-and-islamic-dating-in-saudi-arabia-among-youth.123918815/



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on October 26, 2012, 07:59:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_qp_8-8mfE


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 26, 2012, 08:01:18 PM
omg what a troll...

i don't think you understand the concept of segregation amongst muslims... it doesnt mean we cant 'talk' to the opposite gender... and you are typing alot of bs.

As far as saudi is concerned, the ruling sauds are not all religious, some are for secularism, some are just caring for their own $$$ and some are indeed religious and if you even ask them for help will give you money.

Not everyone is a clone of another. Initially saud allied himself with Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab who basically was a reviver of the religion in the area, there was alot of widespread secterianism, people worshipping at graves, dividing amongst each other not praying behind each other, alot more complex than you can understand. He essentially called towards the original teachings of Islam and not later innovations, calling towards tawheed which is islamic monotheism, the core and fundemental teaching of islam.

The modern makeup of saudi is a mixed thing that you won't get being a westerner living tens of thousands of kilometers away fearing our own shadows.

And obviously you will find hoochies and aholes everywhere on earth. The difference is unlike in the west, a muslim society would not endorse or encourage such behaviour and try to avert it. In the west it's encouraged and out in the open. Big difference.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 26, 2012, 08:07:23 PM
Food for your deprived mind a woman, yes A WOMAN talking ooooooh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOLHfIW5hyE


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on October 26, 2012, 08:11:24 PM
omg what a troll...

i don't think you understand the concept of segregation amongst muslims... it doesnt mean we cant 'talk' to the opposite gender... and you are typing alot of bs.

Actually, in Saudi Arabia it does mean women and men can't talk to each other. It is illegal for a woman to be alone with a man she cannot marry. This means for instance that she can't take a taxi. This causes an issue at work because Saudi husbands get called by wife number 1 - "come home, I need a ride to the mall", then when that's done wife number 2 is on the phone. By the time all the wives are at the mall, he's getting a call from wifey 1 to take her home.

As far as saudi is concerned, the ruling sauds are not all religious, some are for secularism, some are just caring for their own $$$ and some are indeed religious and if you even ask them for help will give you money.

Correct - as I have mentioned, they got into bed with the Wahabis who were gifted the religious polict - hence the place being a complete fuck up.

Not everyone is a clone of another. Initially saud allied himself with Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab who basically was a reviver of the religion in the area, there was alot of widespread secterianism, people worshipping at graves, dividing amongst each other not praying behind each other, alot more complex than you can understand.

Nope - I'm fairly smart. You are the one that went from the Christian crutch to the Muslim one, I think I can keep up with someone on your level.

The modern makeup of saudi is a mixed thing that you won't get being a westerner living tens of thousands of kilometers away fearing our own shadows.

LOL!

I don't fear muslims, I pity them. Let's face some facts - you are just some kid living in the US, fantasizing about living in a Muslim country. You wouldn't enjoy living in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi any more than I would.

And obviously you will find hoochies and aholes everywhere on earth. The difference is unlike in the west, a muslim society would not endorse or encourage such behaviour and try to avert it. In the west it's encouraged.

So - a hoochie is a woman that actually wants to talk to a man? That wants a relationship with someone she gets along with as opposed to one that gets chosen for her?

As for Muslim society not endorsing their actions? Who is "muslim society"? The religious police? The older generation? Or the majority of the population that ends up snubbing the rules when it suits them?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on October 26, 2012, 08:12:36 PM
Food for your deprived mind a woman, yes A WOMAN talking ooooooh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOLHfIW5hyE

Yes - a woman that would be ARRESTED if the person shooting the video was male.

Nice accent she has too. See if you can find a Saudi woman shooting a video like that...


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 26, 2012, 08:14:12 PM
oh boy... guess you lack a few mechanical components up in the head. You could just watch and listen to the video but she is CLEARLY brainwashed and you are so much better and know so much more and she is just a minority and and and islam is of the devilz!! OH RUN RUN THE MOZZLEMZ ARE COMING TEH MOZZLEMZ ARE COMMINNNGG

 ::) You're a tool bro. Brain dead period.

My wife and I hope to move to Saudi or Qatar actually. We have friends and family there. You're just sounding like what they would see as a stereotypical ignorant yankee. That's about it.

For as long as you remain ignorant and ignorant by choice, there will always be misunderstanding sadly.

And yes contrary to your 'insider information' Muslim women, are educated, yes most Muslims can speak English, sometimes better than those born into English speaking families. It's not uncommon for them to speak more than one language. My wife speaks four languages, how many can you?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 26, 2012, 08:28:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJeXmNoPhLA

Again you do not have a concept or understanding of segregation of genders in Islam. You are just another angry lunatic going around as if he is an expert on Islam and Muslims.

You will rarely see videos of saudi men and women because they chose not to be filmed. What business do you have in private lives of people? There's ALOT of things you may not understand as you are only exposed to your OWN cultural understanding on life, hollywood and other mainstream media garbage that has polluted your mind.

By your level of knowledge Pastor Terry Jones has a phd in islam for burning qur'ans.

You may have a hard time that a woman wearing a niqab may be a doctor or a researcher or even a scientist. A woman's value is not based on her hooters or her rear end, nor do you need to see that. That's the difference.

As I've already stated, EVERYWHERE you will find hoochies and aholes, but the difference is unlike the west that encourages fornication, lewdness, public flirtation with every tom dick and jerry a muslim society will try to avert that. There's always going to be a black sheep that wants attention and it just may be the person that the west endorses/publicizes to get THEIR political agendas under way. As has been seen over the years in the middle-east. Mainstream media can ignore what they want to ignore to bolster propaganda and political agendas one way or focus and exagerate on something to do the same in a different direction.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Skeletor on October 26, 2012, 10:08:59 PM
This isn't apart of the Quran though, correct?  Isn't this apart of the Hadith...separate from the Quran?  I don't how vital the Hadith is to Islam, but I would assume if "death for apostasy" isn't in the Quran then it's not fundamental Islam? 

Someone educate me? 

I asked the same thing but no one replied. Don't know why.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on October 26, 2012, 10:17:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJeXmNoPhLA

Again you do not have a concept or understanding of segregation of genders in Islam. You are just another angry lunatic going around as if he is an expert on Islam and Muslims.

You will rarely see videos of saudi men and women because they chose not to be filmed. What business do you have in private lives of people? There's ALOT of things you may not understand as you are only exposed to your OWN cultural understanding on life, hollywood and other mainstream media garbage that has polluted your mind.

I'm talking about Saudi Arabia, not Islam. Saudi Arabia has the most extreme segregation and guardianship laws. If you look at the largest Muslim population on the planet - Indonesia, you do not find these same laws.

By your level of knowledge Pastor Terry Jones has a phd in islam for burning qur'ans.

You may have a hard time that a woman wearing a niqab may be a doctor or a researcher or even a scientist. A woman's value is not based on her hooters or her rear end, nor do you need to see that. That's the difference.

In Saudi Arabia, all women have an OWNER. In this respect, VALUE is discussed in terms similar to the value of a house or car, not on her contribution to society because of the limitations the Saudi version of Sharia puts on women.

As I've already stated, EVERYWHERE you will find hoochies and aholes, but the difference is unlike the west that encourages fornication, lewdness, public flirtation with every tom dick and jerry a muslim society will try to avert that. There's always going to be a black sheep that wants attention and it just may be the person that the west endorses/publicizes to get THEIR political agendas under way. As has been seen over the years in the middle-east. Mainstream media can ignore what they want to ignore to bolster propaganda and political agendas one way or focus and exagerate on something to do the same in a different direction.

Hoochies & Aholes - well it's no shock to see a Muslim judging prople like this.

Now - I know you have a hard time distinguishing between a small country like Saudi Arabia and Islam but these "Hoochies" according to Saudi law are considered normal members of society by other more moderate muslim societies.

As for "mainstream media" - it has nothing to do with this conversation. You are obviously a westerner yourself and have obviously never visited the countries you profess to be an expert in. All of the information you present here is second hand.

These aren't black sheep of Saudi society


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 26, 2012, 10:25:57 PM
Quote
In Saudi Arabia, all women have an OWNER. In this respect, VALUE is discussed in terms similar to the value of a house or car, not on her contribution to society because of the limitations the Saudi version of Sharia puts on women.

Honestly giving such a retarded statement I don't know what one should expect to say to you.

You know that saying which goes something along the lines of talking out of your ass, this is basically what you've stumbled upon by now.

My friend's wife is saudi and a niqabi, she lived majority of her life in saudi until she came to canada (as she married my friend who is canadian), she wants to go back to saudi actually.

She is 'free' (by your definition) in the west yet why would she want to go back to saudi?

I also find it ironic that you are trying to prove that 'mozzlems' would use bluetooth to 'hook up' and fuck around, 'date' etc... do things behind the scenes and you would want to show the 'immoral muslim culture' but then get insulted when someone mentions hoochies and aholes. Yes they are everywhere in non muslim societies as well. Who are you to judge muslims then? By our standards yes they are hoochies as much as the hoochies and aholes i grew up around here in the west that get piss drunk at parties, bars and clubs.

Just go to the 'relationship' section of getbig to see whats available and the moral standard.

From cheating stories to wife swapping to one night stands, all fine moral examples of western societies.

So there are such personalities in saudi, WOW, big shock. Difference? Like I said, in muslim societies closer to the values of islam it will not be endorsed or promoted like it is in the west.


Look at just movies, how many movies can you see that doesn't have some sort of nudity or sexual matter? Very rare to find movies without it, no matter what the story.

I remember reading about signs of the end times and one prophecy of Muhammad (pbuh) being that a time will come where zina (fornication) will be so widespread that it will be publicly seen. Now when I think about it... if you are in a theater you will see constantly sexual themes and all out sex out of wedlock and be watching that crap while there's hundreds of people around you.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 26, 2012, 10:36:57 PM
I remember reading about signs of the end times and one prophecy of Muhammad (pbuh) being [...]

Oh god... ::)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on October 27, 2012, 02:15:27 AM
Honestly giving such a retarded statement I don't know what one should expect to say to you.

Well - it's fairly obvious you are quite a conflicted and confused individual. Fortunately both you and the other people on this thread can read all about guardianship in Saudi, how a woman can be passed from one guardian to another and which decisions a guardian makes on behalf of a woman. A woman can never be without a guardian; she is always owned and is not free.

In terms of your confusion between Islam & Saudi, it's quite ironic. You seem to defend anything in the name of Islam, even when it has been bastardised beyond recognition. In Saudi, you have a Nation with a Royal Family at its head. This Royal family are the people bringing alcohol into the state for themselves and for expats to consume. The activities of the playboy princes in Saudi are well documented, their exploits in non-Muslim nations are legendary.
These people sit at the top of the state and they let the Wahabis suppress the populace with archaic, stone-age laws. Bit of a dual standard isn’t it? I find it odd that you approve of the place.

I do wonder how conflicted you must be over Sunnis & Shias killing each other in Iraq. On the one hand, you defend any group that claims to be Muslim but on the other Muslims clearly kill each other because they feel their 'brand' of Islam is the correct one.

Tell me - which sect of Islam are you a part of & why?

You know that saying which goes something along the lines of talking out of your ass, this is basically what you've stumbled upon by now.

You can keep saying this all you like, it'll not get a rise out of me. People can fact-check themselves.

My friend's wife is saudi and a niqabi, she lived majority of her life in saudi until she came to canada (as she married my friend who is canadian), she wants to go back to saudi actually.
She is 'free' (by your definition) in the west yet why would she want to go back to saudi?

And there's a dog in Putney that can tap-dance. This does not mean that all dogs can tap-dance.

Seriously though - do you really want to bring emigration/immigration to the debate? In the four Western countries I've lived in - US, UK, Netherlands, Denmark - they all had a massive influx of Muslim immigrants from the Middle East and Africa. On the other hand, barely anyone went the other way. Same story in lots of western countries - look at France. Seriously, that's one debate you don't want to have here. 

I don't know your friend but you have confirmed now that you live in Canada and not some backwards Muslim shit hole. This goes a long way to explaining your views.

I am not sure what happened to you but most that end up converting do so at a low-point in their lives. Imprisonment, love lost, mental illness, grief. You are very similar to born-again Christians. I know one in Thailand that converted from Buddhism to Christianity. They are always banging the drum trying to preach Christianity but I was RAISED a christian and they will never have the depth of knowledge that I have on the topic as I have been around it since birth. These born-agains can't be happy with their new faith, they have to preach, to spread the word. It's like a new toy to them. I imagine they embarrass those Muslims that have been with the faith since birth.

I also find it ironic that you are trying to prove that 'mozzlems' would use bluetooth to 'hook up' and fuck around, 'date' etc... do things behind the scenes and you would want to show the 'immoral muslim culture' but then get insulted when someone mentions hoochies and aholes. Yes they are everywhere in non muslim societies as well. Who are you to judge muslims then? By our standards yes they are hoochies as much as the hoochies and aholes i grew up around here in the west that get piss drunk at parties, bars and clubs.

I have nothing to prove. It is fact that Saudis use bluetooth in this way. It is merely a way to show the reality of the human condition and also the hypocrisy in the country.

It is well documented and people can research themselves. You are a Canadian who probably also got drunk at parties, bars and clubs. You pretend to know of Muslim states but really you are just a westerner without any experience of living in other cultures.

Just go to the 'relationship' section of getbig to see whats available and the moral standard.
From cheating stories to wife swapping to one night stands, all fine moral examples of western societies.
So there are such personalities in saudi, WOW, big shock. Difference? Like I said, in muslim societies closer to the values of islam it will not be endorsed or promoted like it is in the west.

Again - you seem to be defending Saudi - a place where the people at the top are the ones fucking around, drinking and taking drugs.

I Look at just movies, how many movies can you see that doesn't have some sort of nudity or sexual matter? Very rare to find movies without it, no matter what the story.

Well, perhaps you should move from Canada to Saudi yourself because cinemas are banned in Saudi. I would suggest you brush up on your facts though because there is way less nudity in movies now. It peaked in the late 70’s/early 80’s. Not that there is anything wrong with the human body.

I remember reading about signs of the end times and one prophecy of Muhammad (pbuh) being that a time will come where zina (fornication) will be so widespread that it will be publicly seen. Now when I think about it... if you are in a theater you will see constantly sexual themes and all out sex out of wedlock and be watching that crap while there's hundreds of people around you.

You obviously know about this because you have done it yourself. Anyway – your ‘end of times’ is just a fairy tale, so don’t worry about it too much. Or do you have to worry? Maybe, maybe not – just depends on whether you chose the right sect to be a part of doesn’t it?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Internet Tough Guy on October 27, 2012, 06:04:20 AM
Jeopardy Player:  I'll take "Starts with 'M' for $500, Alex."

Alex Trebek:  "Illiterate pedophile who now resides in Hell."

JP:  "Who is Muhammad?"

AT:  "That is correct."



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 27, 2012, 10:18:42 AM
Man you rant alot of angry bs.

I lived as a christian in Libya and Tunisia, been to the middleast, even my honeymoon was in the middle east. My uncle lived 30 years in libya and his daughter was born there. And neither of them are muslim. I have family and friends around the middle-east as well.

You're full of shit /thread


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 27, 2012, 11:51:11 AM
Man you rant alot of angry bs.

I lived as a christian in Libya and Tunisia, been to the middleast, even my honeymoon was in the middle east. My uncle lived 30 years in libya and his daughter was born there. And neither of them are muslim. I have family and friends around the middle-east as well.

You're full of shit /thread

Ahmed, what country do you live in now?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 27, 2012, 12:12:07 PM
Ahmed, what country do you live in now?

t dot home girl


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 27, 2012, 12:25:22 PM
t dot home girl

Are you serious?  :o


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 27, 2012, 03:31:27 PM
Man you rant alot of angry bs.

I lived as a christian in Libya and Tunisia, been to the middleast, even my honeymoon was in the middle east. My uncle lived 30 years in libya and his daughter was born there. And neither of them are muslim. I have family and friends around the middle-east as well.

You're full of shit /thread
Bro, who are you saying this to  ???


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on October 27, 2012, 08:22:41 PM
Bro, who are you saying this to  ???

He's Canadian born & bred.

He's a white middle class wannabe.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 27, 2012, 11:11:38 PM
He's Canadian born & bred.

He's a white middle class wannabe.
Oh I just connected the dots, I was a little slow there for a second :-[


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on October 28, 2012, 04:21:33 AM
Are you serious?  :o

Yes - Mr Islam, he who raves about how great Saudi is - lives in Ontario.

Not Pakistan, not Iran, not Iraq, not Afghanistan - but Canadia....

You couldn't make this shit up.

Part time Muslim is our Ahmed


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on October 28, 2012, 09:57:03 AM
Yes - Mr Islam, he who raves about how great Saudi is - lives in Ontario.

Not Pakistan, not Iran, not Iraq, not Afghanistan - but Canadia....

You couldn't make this shit up.

Part time Muslim is our Ahmed
(http://teaspoonsinterrogated.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/canada.jpg)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: 24KT on October 28, 2012, 11:40:12 AM
(http://teaspoonsinterrogated.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/canada.jpg)

The best part of North America.  :D


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 28, 2012, 12:08:31 PM
(http://canadachan.org/main/puck/src/127414962658.jpg)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Internet Tough Guy on October 28, 2012, 12:42:19 PM
(http://canadachan.org/main/puck/src/127414962658.jpg)

This pic only proves that Canada is too big a turd to flush.

Nice try, you canuck camel jockey.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 28, 2012, 12:43:41 PM
No it shows USA is Canada's toilette actually :)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Internet Tough Guy on October 28, 2012, 01:06:53 PM
No it shows USA is Canada's toilette actually :)

 ::)

Keep deluding yourself, towel head.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 28, 2012, 01:08:28 PM
You mad?

(http://southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com/shared/characters/non-human/evil-towel.jpg)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on October 28, 2012, 09:40:35 PM
So Ahmed

Can you tell us a few things...

1 - If Saudi is so great - why don't you live there? Why live in a Western Nation if Muslim Nations are far superior?
2 - Do you ever visit a cinema in Canada?
3 - Does your wife drive a car?
4 - Do you ever hold your wifes hand in public in Canada?
5 - Do you and your wife ever attend social events together where men and women are allowed in the same room at the same time?

Also
1 - Why did you convert to Islam?
2 - Was it because your prospective wife was Muslim and you couldn't marry her otherwise?



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 30, 2012, 02:44:51 PM
So Ahmed

Can you tell us a few things...

Sure

Quote
1 - If Saudi is so great - why don't you live there? Why live in a Western Nation if Muslim Nations are far superior?

I've lived in 'muslim nations' before even being muslim. Loved it there. Unfortunately ignorant tools such as yourself wouldn't know better than what television spoon feeds you.

My family had a great life there :) My uncle even lived 30 years in Libya until nato came and destroyed libya. None of us are arabs, only my parents, grandmother, uncle and I became Muslim and that was while not in arab countries.

Since I am paying for my wife's school I am waiting for her to finish then I'll consider finding a job in Saudi, Qatar and maybe UAE (not too fond of UAE).

I miss Libya, it's beautiful life there, but nato has fucked it up, but never know things may get better. Arabs are very dedicated to building/rebuilding.

Uncle has an appartment in Tunisia that I can go to, but the country is stil going through political change.

Egypt, not a fan, too damn crowded.

Quote
2 - Do you ever visit a cinema in Canada?
Sure, and do I care if Saudi has no cinema? Do I need a cinema for a good peaceful life? No. :) Waste of time most of the time quite frankly just like television, time is precious. I rather read or talk to people, spend time with family, etc... Ocassionally watching a movie here in the west is the only sort of entertainment you can get. Over there social life and family life is far more focused. Here people just work to pay bills and get piss drunk and go clubbing to 'let steam out'.

Quote
3 - Does your wife drive a car?
Nope, and she is lazy to get her license. That being said, it's very common for saudis to have certain luxuries only the rich have here. That is, having limousines drive them places.

Quote
4 - Do you ever hold your wifes hand in public in Canada?

Yup and let me guess, you were told you can't touch your wife in saudi?

Quote
5 - Do you and your wife ever attend social events together where men and women are allowed in the same room at the same time?
Nope, we do not.

Quote
Also
1 - Why did you convert to Islam?
Because I believed in God, but rejected the man made teachings of christianity and how the message of Jesus was corrupted.

I studied christianity in depth, I also studied many other religions and cultures. I studied philosophy, history, and ultimately embraced Islam.

The only religion that remains uncorrupted. Where it's people are encouraged to change to be better, rather than people who are corrupted and change the religion of God to suit their own whims and desires.

Quote
2 - Was it because your prospective wife was Muslim and you couldn't marry her otherwise?
Do you have any more stupid questions? Became muslim way before marrying my wife. As did my mother, father, uncle, grand mother :) They certainly didn't have ot marry someone. Do you see how pathetic your questions and attempts are? In my eyes you're a fool that hates something and certain people he doesn't know shit about.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 30, 2012, 08:12:51 PM
5 - Do you and your wife ever attend social events together where men and women are allowed in the same room at the same time?

Nope, we do not.

This is a genuine question... Are you pulling our leg here or do you really not attend social events where men and women are allowed in the same room at the same time? It just seems a bit... extreme to not invite, say, friends over to celebrate an anniversary, or a birthday.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on October 30, 2012, 09:19:00 PM
Nope, we do not.


This is a genuine question... Are you pulling our leg here or do you really not attend social events where men and women are allowed in the same room at the same time? It just seems a bit... extreme to not invite, say, friends over to celebrate an anniversary, or a birthday.

Of course he does.

Look - the guy is a Canadian. He's clueless as to life in Saudi but because it's a Muslim nation he feels compelled to make a fool of himself pretending his wife would stand living there for more than a week.

He goes to the cinema, something he could not do in Saudi, yet he will not hear a bad word said about Saudi a place that is fucked up by any standard. Saudi is great. It has no cinemas. Cinemas are forbidden. Ahmed here go to them anyway because it entertains him.

Alcohol is forbidden in Saudi but yet the heads of state import alcohol for their own & western consumption and are known worldwide for their playboy antics. This does not take the shine off Saudi in Ahmeds view.

Ahmeds wife is in School in Canada. I have no doubt it is a mixed school. In Saudi that would not be allowed.

Herein lies the fundamental issue with the faith of Islam:

These guys make up the rules to suit themselves. In Saudi they have a set of rules. In Indonesia another set of rules. In Malaysia another set of rules. Ahmed has made his own set of rules up. Ahmed is conflicted because Saudi is a Muslim nation yet he cannot live by their rules - evidenced by his visiting the cinema for his satisfaction.  


His wife doesn't drive he says - but that's because she is lazy. In other words, it would be OK for her to drive in Canada but Ahmed can say nothing bad about a different interpretation of Islam that says it is forbidden. He says that people have limos with drivers in Saudi...  ::) See how he is at pain to justify the rules there?

Ahmed goes to the cinema and visits websites that are banned in Saudi. Have you seen all the filth on here? Ahmed even has excuses for his visits here.  ::) His visits here are PURELY for his own entertainment/mental masturbation. His ego keeps him here.

So - what happens when you have people defining their own rulesets? Well, not much really. It's fine.

What happens though when you teach people that they are superior to people that follow a different ruleset? Well - that's where the shit hits the fan. People like Ahmed are harmless enough. There's lots of Muslims around the world how follow the rules as much as it suits them. On the other hand, drum into LARGE GROUPS of people that they are superior to others because of these different life rules and you have issues.

In Iraq, the Sunnis and the Shias both think they are better than each other. They think their interpretation is right and that the others are wrong. A common thread in Islam is to not tolerate those you see as beneath you and so you have Sunnis & Shias killing each other despite the fact that they are both Muslims. It's not just western infidels Muslims abhor - it's everyone that isn't in their sect. It is this aspect of Islam that causes all the trouble around the world.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 30, 2012, 09:36:55 PM
^You talk too much, mean too little. Delude yourself by yourself, don't have a FRICKIN clue what you're talking about and still keep going on and on. I bet you didn't know i actually lived or have family who are not muslim living in Muslim countries, now you do but you are still going to be ranting with your idiotic islamophobe crap. No one but idiots like yourself would care. You're detatthed from reality and just another yankee moron who believes what he's been spoon fed by other ignorant islamophobes, same crap different packaging.

Nope, we do not.


This is a genuine question... Are you pulling our leg here or do you really not attend social events where men and women are allowed in the same room at the same time? It just seems a bit... extreme to not invite, say, friends over to celebrate an anniversary, or a birthday.

No we don't actually, hard to believe for you, but again you do not understand the concept of segregation in Islam.

If we invite families/friends over, women sit with women, men with men. It doesn't mean we go scared and hide or whatever from the other gender, but we respect the opposite gender and mind our own business.

I do not go to company events where there's drinking, dancing, mixed gatherings, pork, etc... and the other employees understand/know. I have no interest in any of that and yes it is against my religion. Again doesn't mean we are not social people, but we do not partake in the same.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: garebear on October 30, 2012, 09:53:16 PM
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Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 30, 2012, 10:00:46 PM
Should sue you for false advertisement and mislabeling of products in vast use by billions


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Stefano on October 30, 2012, 11:04:56 PM
Should sue you for false advertisement and mislabeling of products in vast use by billions

Should sue you for being a ignorant clown screaming islamaphobe whenever he loses an arguement.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on October 30, 2012, 11:23:13 PM
Should sue you for false advertisement and mislabeling of products in vast use by billions
Why Sue when you can just strap on a suicide vest and blow innocent people up, it's the Muslim way!


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on October 31, 2012, 07:42:14 AM
No we don't actually, hard to believe for you, but again you do not understand the concept of segregation in Islam.

If we invite families/friends over, women sit with women, men with men. It doesn't mean we go scared and hide or whatever from the other gender, but we respect the opposite gender and mind our own business.

I do not go to company events where there's drinking, dancing, mixed gatherings, pork, etc... and the other employees understand/know. I have no interest in any of that and yes it is against my religion. Again doesn't mean we are not social people, but we do not partake in the same.

No, you're right. I don't understand the concept; it's completely alien to me.

The drinking & dancing is different and I can somewhat understand. I don't care much for drinking, and simply don't do it, but I wouldn't avoid an outing with friends because others choose to drink. But ultimately the decision "I don't want to be around drinking at all, period" is one that can be rationally justified. But to "segregate" yourself from friends and even members of your family on the basis of gender is something that just can't be rationally justified. Even if you call it "minding your own business."

At first I consider discussing this topic more in depth with you, but the bottom line is that I don't think that would get us anywhere. I wouldn't understand how you can live such a segregated life no matter how much you try to explain, and you wouldn't see this as what it actually is no matter how much I tried to explain.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on October 31, 2012, 07:57:07 AM
First, let's consider my argument....

Muslims live differently throughout the world. The differences are arbitrary. Those like Ahmed that choose to live in the West seem to carve themselves up their own set of rules & call that Islam. Hence we see Ahmed defending Saudi and how it's a utopian society whilst simultaneously not living their lifestyle himself. He's carved himself his own version of Islam because he wants to avoid too much discomfort.

Whilst Muslims like Ahmed can live differently, their common 'glitch' is their superiority complex. They simply think they are better. This is not just Muslims vs Non-Muslims, it's Muslims vs other sects. This is the root cause of Islamic violence.

Let's see how Ahmed responded to this...

^You talk too much, mean too little. Delude yourself by yourself, don't have a FRICKIN clue what you're talking about and still keep going on and on. I bet you didn't know i actually lived or have family who are not muslim living in Muslim countries, now you do but you are still going to be ranting with your idiotic islamophobe crap. No one but idiots like yourself would care. You're detatthed from reality and just another yankee moron who believes what he's been spoon fed by other ignorant islamophobes, same crap different packaging.

I couldn't imagine Ahmed posting anything that could more convincingly prove my point.

It's a poorly spelt, factually void, angry rant.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on October 31, 2012, 08:13:54 AM
Whilst Muslims like Ahmed can live differently, their common 'glitch' is their superiority complex.
BINGO!
Islam appeals to those who feel small, insecure and inferior, it gives them the perfect escape vechile to join with billions of other small minded weak and inferior individuals attempting to arrogantly look down their noses at everyone else all the while completely unaware others who aren't so deeply insecure can see through their high school 'too cool for school' attitude.  I actually feel sorry for them when they aren't blowing innocent people up, oppressing women and mutilating young girls genitals.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 31, 2012, 12:15:00 PM
lol, so we have team ignorant overjoying themselves in their own slander and boasting. Quite entertaining.

You know the fact is, when I go back to ME I'll have a good time, while you'll be busy amongst yourself lying, telling long tales of lies and mascarading as if you know a thing or two about islam or muslims or any of the countries you speak of. You'll remain ignorant angry tools and will only harm yourself with your own lies.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 31, 2012, 12:36:27 PM
lol, so we have team ignorant overjoying themselves in their own slander and boasting. Quite entertaining.

You know the fact is, when I go back to ME I'll have a good time, while you'll be busy amongst yourself lying, telling long tales of lies and mascarading as if you know a thing or two about islam or muslims or any of the countries you speak of. You'll remain ignorant angry tools and will only harm yourself with your own lies.
Why can't you keep your cool, you are a religious person. Why must you resort to name calling and insults. You never see Christian retaliate with name calling or get as angry as you do. You have not even been debating lately just saying how you are so great and everyone is so dumb, bro get a life.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 31, 2012, 01:53:55 PM
I am talking back to trash the way they are trash.

They don't care about what I believe or what Islam is, they are just trying to find 'proofs' of how its all evil. Bunch of tools indeed.

E-Kul is a product of an abusive family and he takes abuse on others.

This pedro guy TRIES to appear like a super educated individual fully aware of islam and Muslims, but in fact turns out a total fool and a tool, with insincerity and ulterior motives. Making statements even about my wife and myself or my family without actually knowing a damn thing. Likewise for the billions of people htat he doesn't know anything about or our faith that he doesn't know relaly anything about.

He indeed looks like a fool to me, because whatever he is saying is sooo far away from reality, having lived there, AS A NON MUSLIM, and still having family and friends all around there. He kept like another douchebag talking about how a 'white boy canadian' who never lived with ayrabz doesnt know what he's talking about.. Yet didn't realize I was there as a non-muslim. So he goes on ranting about other 'possibilities'.

He is as intelligent as a fox news report about the dangers of mozlemz. Brainwashed and brain dead.

There is no debate any more because debating has ended. You guys have resorted to slander and name calling yourself, so now you call the pot calling a kettle black.

You yourself have ulterior motives and are insincere. Why start a thread about 'wild asses'. Do you see your tact what it's trying to achieve? Or this threaD? It's not trying to ascertain truth or discuss or debate, it has ended. It is YOUR emotional outbursts and inability to fight what has been said that you have resorted to CREATING a thread of this sort.

Hence I find all what you've posted actually a joke. Repeating "no one cares what you have to say, no one will listen to you", etc... is also an act of your own desperation.

You are insincere and you should fear God for what lies within yourself.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pulling weight on October 31, 2012, 03:46:48 PM
I am talking back to trash the way they are trash.

They don't care about what I believe or what Islam is, they are just trying to find 'proofs' of how its all evil. Bunch of tools indeed.

E-Kul is a product of an abusive family and he takes abuse on others.

This pedro guy TRIES to appear like a super educated individual fully aware of islam and Muslims, but in fact turns out a total fool and a tool, with insincerity and ulterior motives. Making statements even about my wife and myself or my family without actually knowing a damn thing. Likewise for the billions of people htat he doesn't know anything about or our faith that he doesn't know relaly anything about.

He indeed looks like a fool to me, because whatever he is saying is sooo far away from reality, having lived there, AS A NON MUSLIM, and still having family and friends all around there. He kept like another douchebag talking about how a 'white boy canadian' who never lived with ayrabz doesnt know what he's talking about.. Yet didn't realize I was there as a non-muslim. So he goes on ranting about other 'possibilities'.

He is as intelligent as a fox news report about the dangers of mozlemz. Brainwashed and brain dead.

There is no debate any more because debating has ended. You guys have resorted to slander and name calling yourself, so now you call the pot calling a kettle black.

You yourself have ulterior motives and are insincere. Why start a thread about 'wild asses'. Do you see your tact what it's trying to achieve? Or this threaD? It's not trying to ascertain truth or discuss or debate, it has ended. It is YOUR emotional outbursts and inability to fight what has been said that you have resorted to CREATING a thread of this sort.

Hence I find all what you've posted actually a joke. Repeating "no one cares what you have to say, no one will listen to you", etc... is also an act of your own desperation.

You are insincere and you should fear God for what lies within yourself.

Hey you dumb fuck. Muhammad is a pedo and you dirty beard wearing dark ages creeps are scum.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: King Shizzo on October 31, 2012, 03:59:33 PM
How can people with half a brain, argue on which religion is the best?  Who wins? Who goes to Heaven/Paradise?  Is there only one winner?  Religion surely suggests as much.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pulling weight on October 31, 2012, 04:04:15 PM
How can people with half a brain, argue on which religion is the best?  Who wins? Who goes to Heaven/Paradise?  Is there only one winner?  Religion surely suggests as much.

There is no arguing with dirty beard wearing pedo worshippers.
They only respect bombs.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 31, 2012, 04:09:45 PM
My point proven


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 31, 2012, 04:41:58 PM
I am talking back to trash the way they are trash.

They don't care about what I believe or what Islam is, they are just trying to find 'proofs' of how its all evil. Bunch of tools indeed.

E-Kul is a product of an abusive family and he takes abuse on others.

This pedro guy TRIES to appear like a super educated individual fully aware of islam and Muslims, but in fact turns out a total fool and a tool, with insincerity and ulterior motives. Making statements even about my wife and myself or my family without actually knowing a damn thing. Likewise for the billions of people htat he doesn't know anything about or our faith that he doesn't know relaly anything about.

He indeed looks like a fool to me, because whatever he is saying is sooo far away from reality, having lived there, AS A NON MUSLIM, and still having family and friends all around there. He kept like another douchebag talking about how a 'white boy canadian' who never lived with ayrabz doesnt know what he's talking about.. Yet didn't realize I was there as a non-muslim. So he goes on ranting about other 'possibilities'.

He is as intelligent as a fox news report about the dangers of mozlemz. Brainwashed and brain dead.

There is no debate any more because debating has ended. You guys have resorted to slander and name calling yourself, so now you call the pot calling a kettle black.

You yourself have ulterior motives and are insincere. Why start a thread about 'wild asses'. Do you see your tact what it's trying to achieve? Or this threaD? It's not trying to ascertain truth or discuss or debate, it has ended. It is YOUR emotional outbursts and inability to fight what has been said that you have resorted to CREATING a thread of this sort.

Hence I find all what you've posted actually a joke. Repeating "no one cares what you have to say, no one will listen to you", etc... is also an act of your own desperation.

You are insincere and you should fear God for what lies within yourself.
Wild asses is a quote from the Bible the inspired word of the Holy God, you do not like it, take it up with him.

Just because they do not believe in what you believe does not make them trash. You resort to slander just like everyone of them, so what makes you so special, looks like the Christians are the only ones that do not slander.

See you are not that smart cause if there is a cause in your argument you would put up with the slander for the sake of your cause just like MOS and myself. You should learn off of us, see in the 5 years of been here debating on religion I have had a guy PM me and say he was not a Christian and did not believe in God and I worked with him and taught him a few things, not saying him he is a Christian or anything but the bottom line is at least he was interested and if one person is interested then I am not wasting my time.

Now be honest with yourself has your arguments brought anyone to be interested in Islam, NO they argue to ridicule you cause your are ego-tistic and conceded and it is always good to humble someone like you, but no one is really interested in your religion from a good point of view, why? cause you come across as an arrogant prick (no disrespect but that is how you look)

The way I see it is it is a privelage that these atheist even give some one like you the time of day. That is right, you should be grateful that they even spend a minute listening to you. I would rather them slander me then them say nothing at all cause I have a cause and if they slandered me that means they at least heard what I said.

But you do not have a cause, your arguments are ego-driven, emotional and you meltdown every chance you get, you do not listen to anyone and you do not accept when someone handed you a clear beat down on a silver platter. Nevertheless you are making quite the character here.

You sir are the biggest hypocrite getbigs ever known


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 31, 2012, 05:00:45 PM
Trying to feel humble yourself?

What a hypocrite. You created this thread. You slandered Islam an inumerable amount of times. How did any Muslim slander your faith other than expose YOU for what YOU believe, such as your personal pantheistic beliefs.

You lost the arguments so you resorted to the same or similiar idioicies of these 'kind atheists' who by the way ridicule you as a christian just as much. I had no interest in debating them, they came in every thread I came in with their comments.

Such as. You towel head, you dirty this dirty that, you pedo worshipper, you women abuser/beater/whatever, same shit over and over again.

You got antsy yourself because you were destroyed by your own biblical scripture, so in an act of desperation you created a thread trying to 'prove' that arabs are 'wild asses' and Islam is a false religion by a false people and a false prophet. Etc...

You are the one with pathetic ulterior motives.

I don't feel any remorse for exposing you for what YOU are.

I engaged in debate when I saw the typical towel head, pedo this, women abuse that, comments, and ultimately after 'debating' with no produce as people are arrogant islamophobe son here, I created a thread to showcase WHO muslims are, those who become muslim.

Instead tools such as e-kul derailed that thread as theyve attempted to in every other thread about islam. Including yourself.

You have tried every tactic, and are failing.

Cry baby yourself. How about your "HAHAHAHHAH emotoinal break down HAHAHAHHAA". When in fact you are the one with emotional break downs :)

I feel sorry for you. And all the prophets were mocked, ridiculed, called liars, madmen, etc... by their communities. I am but a simple man, but speaking the truth will get you ridiculed and do I care? Not at all.

Realize before bigbobs even joined in to denounce much of the non-sense, it was me vs 20. Such brilliance in yourself. Do I desist? Not at all.

God is one, and no matter what lies you utter against Islam and Muslims, those lies will never become truths no matter how much you despise Islam.

You can turn this into a 'oh we just hate you' and every other pathetic tactic it does not change what your intentions really are. God will indeed judge us all.

You created this thread to attack Islam and Muslims as well. Forget the 'inspired by God wild asses'. You are inspired by the devil.

After all you have even uttered that God can become satan himself. You have no sane mind in faith or intellect.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pulling weight on October 31, 2012, 05:08:48 PM
Islam is nothing more than a cheap camel fcuker rip off of Christianity that came much later. Various tribes of camel fcukers wanted to justify their murder/pedo sprees and were jealous that the Europeans had Christianity so they copied it.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 31, 2012, 05:12:33 PM
You know I only read the first paragraph so save the rest bro, I won't read it, I never slandered Islam once just exposed you just how you put it towards Christians that is why you are the biggest Hypocrit on the planet cause your terms are in favour, see the point of the thread was exactly what you confirmed;


EVERYBODY LISTEN UP; THE POINT OF THIS THREAD, THE ONLY

 POINT WAS IF A mUSLIM SAY THE BIBLE IS WRONG AND WE ARE

DELUSIONAL OR ATHEIST ARE WRONG THEY ARE DELUSIONAL THEN THEY

ARE NOT INSULTING JUST STATING A FACT BUT WHEN AN ATHEIST OR A

CHRISTIAN SAY ISLAM IS FAKE AND IT IS NOT REAL THEN MUSLIMS WILL

CRY "ISLAMOPHOBE' 'HATRED' 'EVIL' ETC HENCE THE TITLE OF THE

THREAD "Islamic insecurities ?"


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 31, 2012, 05:17:39 PM
You know I only read the first paragraph so save the rest bro, I won't read it, I never slandered Islam once just exposed you just how you put it towards Christians that is why you are the biggest Hypocrit on the planet cause your terms are in favour, see the point of the thread was exactly what you confirmed;


EVERYBODY LISTEN UP; THE POINT OF THIS THREAD, THE ONLY POINT WAS IF A mUSLIM SAY THE BIBLE IS WRONG AND WE ARE DELUSIONAL OR ATHEIST ARE WRONG THEY ARE DELUSIONAL THEN THEY ARE NO INSULTING JUST STATING A FACT BUT WHEN AN ATHEIST OR A CHRISTIAN SAY ISLAM IS FAKE AND IT IS NOT REAL THEN MUSLIMS WILL CRY "ISLAMOPHOBE' 'HATRED' 'EVIL' ETC HENCE THE TITLE OF THE THREAD "Islamic insecurities ?"

So you admit it now?

You were destroyed in argument/debate and resorted to slandering Islam and Muslims in desperation. When called for it, you are whining and crying about being called an islamophobe? So you created this thread.

What did I 'slander you' on? Exposing you through the bible? Through intellectual and rational debate about God and the bible? You were destroyed in those arguments and went so far in your arrogance to even utter that God can become objects or even satan himself. Even though these are your own conjectures and totally baseless in scripture.

No one said Christianity is fake but that those who claim to follow Jesus have strayed from the original message of Jesus. We Muslims believe in Jesus. Christ is latin for messiah. However you were shown that what you are following is not Jesus' but Paul's preaching, a man who came later a man who was never accepted by Jesus' disciples. Something called pauline christianity.

Jesus didn't come and preach "hear oh israel your God is a triune God".

You are just angry that you have no other way but your own conjectures to argue with because the bible speaks against what you utter.

Your anger, arrogance, ulterior motives and desperation has been exposed. You have joined hands with the same idiots who utter the same bs of suicide bombers, women abusers, pedo whatever, camel jockeys, dirty sand nig**rs, towel heads and other such inspirational ignorant tales from the islamophobes of the west.

You created this thread out of absolute desperation and your own insecurities. Just as your previous thread where you were exposed for your desperation about 'wild asses'.

You didn't comment back about the'wild asses' who embraced Christianity. Such selective, insincere and sinister approach in your tact. I see you for what you are, sadly. However God is the most merciful and also the most severe in punishment. The door of mercy in front of God is great. If you would in fact let go of your arrogance it would be better. You are just sinking lower yourself.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on October 31, 2012, 05:25:34 PM
Nope was not slandering I was exposing some Muslims as insecure, and I will be the first to admit bigbobs is not insecure cause he does not behalve in that manner and I have enormous amounts of respect for him cause he "takes it like a man" and he make Islam look good good cause he represents it with class and at the same time he puts up a respectful fight and is sincere and very humble.

So my point is there are insecure Muslims( around half) and very respectful, honest stoic-like Muslims that believe in their cause and put up with the mockery and insults for the sake of their cause, like bigbobs. So obviously I do not hate Muslims if I am calling bigbobs honourable, although I sometimes call him a hypocrit  :D


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 31, 2012, 05:40:39 PM
Well for starters you claim Muslims 'mock the bible'? How? Quoted verses from the bible that show where your made up beliefs don't exist, such as your pantheistic beliefs, where you are manipulating verses, making up meanings where there are none? All in purpose to keep worshipping a human being even though it is contrary to the bible.

Your second claim we are 'spamming the boards with our doctrines'. I did not even get a chance to create a thread to talk about what we believe in Islam. It has been a NON STOP responding back to accusations and flames against Islam and Muslims. This thread is evidence of it. It was a free for all, lets all gather together and say all the stereotypical islamophobe crap we can get to:

Suicide bombers, camel jockeys, dirty filthy, pedos, backwards/cave men, come on bring em on more, everything coming together.

Pedro was a fine example. I guess he didn't realize in his sarcasm and mockery that I actually lived as a non muslim amongst Muslims and that kind of derailed his whole 'white boy canadian' who lives in canada.

The only thread I had the opportunity to create with the intent of showing WHO Muslims are and what we believe and how we find Islam was "people who have embraced Islam. This seems to have hit a few nerves with local islamophobes and it's been derailed on purpose.


Your third claim you are upset that you were called an islamophobe for quoting a verse from the bible about 'wild asses'. That thread was destroyed once exposed for what it is, you are angry about that? Your intentions are quite clear. To in desperation try to find a 'proof' to undermine Islam in the perspective of a SINGLE line ignoring OTHER verses where God blesses the descendants of Ishmael.

I called you out for what you are, a DESPERATE islamophobe. So now I am 'mocking the bible' because of your selective verse quotations.

Attacking and mocking islam is a profitable business. Remember how Jesus got angry at profiteers in the temple? These people sell faith for this world. If they can sell their family, parents, brothers, sisters, for $$$ what kind of people are they? He will say ANYTHING to get money. That's the kind of person e-kul and you were praising and encouraging.

Desperation.

I asked you to provide a PROOF how Muhammad (pbuh) is a false prophet even, and you were ranting and going "HAHAHAHAH emotional break downs" when in fact that is an emotional background and did not provide any proofs.

You are angry and desperate. Believe me, I know all there is to christianity having been a christian, you bring nothing to the table for me. However as now a Muslim, you prove to me you don't know the first thing about Islam and the only thing preventing you from learning is your own arrogance.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on October 31, 2012, 05:54:11 PM
Why Sue when you can just strap on a suicide vest and blow innocent people up, it's the Muslim way!

And whats the non muslims way? Slaugheter and bomb people from drones, ships, and tanks?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on October 31, 2012, 08:54:09 PM
And whats the non muslims way? Slaugheter and bomb Muslims from drones, ships, and tanks?
Yes that is how we deal with the EVIL that is ISLAM, the only way to stand up to those who want to either convert everyone and kill all those that don't.  How do you like the way we roll?

(http://www.the-two-malcontents.com/wp-content/uploads/holy_war.1.jpg)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on November 01, 2012, 01:33:03 AM
Yes that is how we deal with the EVIL that is ISLAM, the only way to stand up to those who want to either convert everyone and kill all those that don't.  How do you like the way we roll?

(http://www.the-two-malcontents.com/wp-content/uploads/holy_war.1.jpg)

If you support violence and killing, then why dont you go do it?

Besides, if its a religious war, what do you care?You said all religion is poison.You dont even beleive in religion.

So why care if they kill each other?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 01, 2012, 06:54:36 AM
How many times do I have to tell you I don't get angry, your little insults can not get me angry when I have been posting on forums for over 5 years on Christianity and I have heard it all. I don't get angry bro and if someone disrespects me or calls me names then I am doing something right, in fact if no one calls me names or insults me then I get angry.

The sword verse alone proves Muhammad is a false prophet.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on November 01, 2012, 08:47:15 AM
So why care if they kill each other?

Because the problem is "they" don't just only kill each other...


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on November 01, 2012, 09:04:39 AM
Because the problem is "they" don't just only kill each other...
Thanks, I was going to respond, but I thought why bother, Muslims aren't too bright and if it was just Muslims who were killing each other and no-one else, we would all be celebrating right, I mean a dead Muslim is a good Muslim, one less suicide bomber to worry about.  But your right, they kill non muslims  indiscriminately for what can only be considered juvenile excuses "WAH! Wah! Someone insulted my Prophet, boo hoo!"  Fucking dickheads, I just wish they would grow up.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on November 01, 2012, 09:18:31 AM
Funny thing is here, I brought up Saudi on purpose. Most Muslims I know think the place is way OTT but our Ahmed cannot help himself but defend anything done in the name of Islam. I figured Ahmed would defend what went on there whilst it was plainly obvious that he himself was not from such a place. Of course I was doing it to make a point but such is the nature of debate is it not.

Ahmed doesn't know "Islam" quite as well as he thinks.

For instance, Ahmed talks about Islamic segregation. He might want to meet my next door neighbour, My neighbour is a Muslim, his wife is Buddhist. His wife makes curtains (or drapes to you Yankees  ::) )

She came round to measure up when my wife was out. She and I were alone in my house. We chatted, polished off a cup of tea. What a fucking slut,eh? Not only that but when she came round to fit the curtains, she brought 3 guys to do the fitting.

I go round to my local market and see a Buddhist guy selling BBQ chicken. Next to that, 2 Muslim women selling fried chicken. They wear headscarf's but do not cover their faces. Other muslim women sell milky tea. There's no shortage of Mulsim men with stalls either.

Of course, if you take the Wahabi view of Islam, these women are all sluts. On the other hand, this is a developing country where not everyone has a limo driver (I still can't believe he said that), so people have to work to make ends meet. He must get real confused when Sunnis & Shias shoot each other. I guess they are both right.

Anyway - like I said before - people tend to bend the faith as it suits them. Saudi is the way it is because of political expediency back in the early 1900's. No-one voted for it to be that way. It's an abberation.

The place I live is very different and Muslims are not suppressed by  their own people here. Still, down South, they do manage to blow lots of shit up AND commit murders on an almost daily basis because a group of idiots want to carve out an independent state. Couple of days ago a 6 year old got caught in the crossfire. Normally it's Buddhist monks & school teachers getting the good news.

Ain't no "segregation in Islam" there's just segregation in some Islamic states. Different thing entirely.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 09:57:04 AM
^blabla more ignorant pedro talking out of where the sunshine don't come. What a desperate islamophobe.

The sword verse alone proves Muhammad is a false prophet.


Which 'sword verse'

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34 - Jesus (pbuh)

Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. Luke 12:51



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 01, 2012, 01:08:38 PM
^blabla more ignorant pedro talking out of where the sunshine don't come. What a desperate islamophobe.


Which 'sword verse'

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34 - Jesus (pbuh)

Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. Luke 12:51


lol, more insecurities  :-[


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 01:17:36 PM
So which sword verse?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 01, 2012, 01:18:31 PM
^blabla more ignorant pedro talking out of where the sunshine don't come. What a desperate islamophobe.


Which 'sword verse'

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34 - Jesus (pbuh)

Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. Luke 12:51


You are a Muslim and do not know the sword verse?   :o :o
Sura

9:5 When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on November 01, 2012, 01:27:55 PM
Thanks, I was going to respond, but I thought why bother, Muslims aren't too bright and if it was just Muslims who were killing each other and no-one else, we would all be celebrating right, I mean a dead Muslim is a good Muslim, one less suicide bomber to worry about.  But your right, they kill non muslims  indiscriminately for what can only be considered juvenile excuses "WAH! Wah! Someone insulted my Prophet, boo hoo!"  Fucking dickheads, I just wish they would grow up.

Dont dodge the question.

why arent you out there killing people if you think its ok?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on November 01, 2012, 01:55:06 PM
You are a Muslim and do not know the sword verse?   :o :o
Sura

9:5 When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.

Maybe you can enlighten us about this verse if you know about it?

And maybe you can tell the readers about the treaty that was broken by the idol worshippers which led to the verse and the protection the idol worshippers where given by the muslims even after the verse was given.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 01, 2012, 02:01:06 PM
Maybe you can enlighten us about this verse if you know about it?

And maybe you can tell the readers about the treaty that was broken by the idol worshippers which led to the verse and the protection the idol worshippers where given by the muslims even after the verse was given.
Yes but that is not the point. The extremist use this verse as an excuse for violence. Also many Islamic people do not believe it was referring to that particular situation, they believe it was intended as a future universal law, I guess it is a matter of interpretation.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 02:11:34 PM
So you're lying again. I guess you didn't expect me to quote a verse of the sword from Jesus?

As already illustrated it has to do with a treaty broken where Muslims were killed by the idolators even though there was a peace treaty. It's a long story but of course you wouldn't know or care about the details.

So you have no proof again. Keep trying.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 02:15:41 PM
Lets see what the verses actually say:

Surah 9

1. A (declaration) of immunity from Allah and His Apostle, to those of the Pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances:

2. Go ye, then, for four months, backwards and forwards, (as ye will), throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah (by your falsehood) but that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him.

3. And an announcement from Allah and His Apostle, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Apostle dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.

4. (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.

5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

6. If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.

Indeed Islam teaches us even in battle to escort people if they do not partake in fighting and want asylum. The same cannot be said about the bible which says:

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword.  Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.  Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes.  For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off.  The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.  They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.  (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

  "Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked.  Show no mercy; have no pity!  Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.  But do not touch anyone with the mark.  Begin your task right here at the Temple."  So they began by killing the seventy leaders.  "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded.  "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill!  Go!"  So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."  (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)


Where is your proof that Muhammad (pbuh) is a false prophet, still waiting.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Man of Steel on November 01, 2012, 02:20:48 PM
Lets see what the verses actually say:

Surah 9

1. A (declaration) of immunity from Allah and His Apostle, to those of the Pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances:

2. Go ye, then, for four months, backwards and forwards, (as ye will), throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah (by your falsehood) but that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him.

3. And an announcement from Allah and His Apostle, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Apostle dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.

4. (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.

5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

6. If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.

Indeed Islam teaches us even in battle to escort people if they do not partake in fighting and want asylum. The same cannot be said about the bible which says:

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword.  Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.  Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes.  For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off.  The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.  They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.  (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

  "Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked.  Show no mercy; have no pity!  Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.  But do not touch anyone with the mark.  Begin your task right here at the Temple."  So they began by killing the seventy leaders.  "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded.  "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill!  Go!"  So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."  (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)


Where is your proof that Muhammad (pbuh) is a false prophet, still waiting.

Aren't these verses of the Koran describing a historical setting....an attack on Mecca and not necessarily a universal truth?  I can't imagine Surah 9:5 is  meant for Muslims of today...if that were true and we met in person you're commanded by Allah to cut my Christian head off if refused to convert to Islam, correct LOL?



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Internet Tough Guy on November 01, 2012, 02:25:24 PM
most muslims are gay cowards


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Man of Steel on November 01, 2012, 02:27:45 PM
Lets see what the verses actually say:

Surah 9

1. A (declaration) of immunity from Allah and His Apostle, to those of the Pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances:

2. Go ye, then, for four months, backwards and forwards, (as ye will), throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah (by your falsehood) but that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him.

3. And an announcement from Allah and His Apostle, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Apostle dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.

4. (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.

5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

6. If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.

Indeed Islam teaches us even in battle to escort people if they do not partake in fighting and want asylum. The same cannot be said about the bible which says:

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword.  Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.  Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes.  For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off.  The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.  They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.  (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

  "Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked.  Show no mercy; have no pity!  Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.  But do not touch anyone with the mark.  Begin your task right here at the Temple."  So they began by killing the seventy leaders.  "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded.  "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill!  Go!"  So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."  (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)


Where is your proof that Muhammad (pbuh) is a false prophet, still waiting.
Thought that single verse from Ezekiel needed a touch of context....thx!!


Ezekiel 9
New Living Translation (NLT)

The Slaughter of Idolaters
9 Then the Lord thundered, “Bring on the men appointed to punish the city! Tell them to bring their weapons with them!” 2 Six men soon appeared from the upper gate that faces north, each carrying a deadly weapon in his hand. With them was a man dressed in linen, who carried a writer’s case at his side. They all went into the Temple courtyard and stood beside the bronze altar.

3 Then the glory of the God of Israel rose up from between the cherubim, where it had rested, and moved to the entrance of the Temple. And the Lord called to the man dressed in linen who was carrying the writer’s case. 4 He said to him, “Walk through the streets of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of all who weep and sigh because of the detestable sins being committed in their city.”

5 Then I heard the Lord say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! 6 Kill them all—old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders.

7 “Defile the Temple!” the Lord commanded. “Fill its courtyards with corpses. Go!” So they went and began killing throughout the city.

8 While they were out killing, I was all alone. I fell face down on the ground and cried out, “O Sovereign Lord! Will your fury against Jerusalem wipe out everyone left in Israel?”

9 Then he said to me, “The sins of the people of Israel and Judah are very, very great. The entire land is full of murder; the city is filled with injustice. They are saying, ‘The Lord doesn’t see it! The Lord has abandoned the land!’ 10 So I will not spare them or have any pity on them. I will fully repay them for all they have done.”

11 Then the man in linen clothing, who carried the writer’s case, reported back and said, “I have done as you commanded.”



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 01, 2012, 02:36:02 PM
So you're lying again. I guess you didn't expect me to quote a verse of the sword from Jesus?

As already illustrated it has to do with a treaty broken where Muslims were killed by the idolators even though there was a peace treaty. It's a long story but of course you wouldn't know or care about the details.

So you have no proof again. Keep trying.
Prove I am not a prophet, lol. You have to prove he is not the other way around



Aren't these verses of the Koran describing a historical setting....an attack on Mecca and not necessarily a universal truth?  I can't imagine Surah 9:5 is  meant for Muslims of today...if that were true and we met in person you're commanded by Allah to cut my Christian head off if refused to convert to Islam, correct LOL?

Of course, but so many Muslims feel it is universal.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 02:38:05 PM
Aren't these verses of the Koran describing a historical setting....an attack on Mecca and not necessarily a universal truth?  I can't imagine Surah 9:5 is  meant for Muslims of today...if that were true and we met in person you're commanded by Allah to cut my Christian head off if refused to convert to Islam, correct LOL?



Obviously but onetimehard is either acting really ignorant to try to appease fellas like e-kul or as I have come to realize really desperate.

Allah (swt) commands us to protect Christians and Jews under an islamic caliphate and it was the historical norm. Not all Jews and Christians converted to Islam when Muhammad (pbuh) revealed the final message of Islam.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 02:39:51 PM
Thought that single verse from Ezekiel needed a touch of context....thx!!


Ezekiel 9
New Living Translation (NLT)
...


None the less, in Islam we are commanded to protect women and children, elderly, men who do not fight, cattle/live stock/ homes etc... while the contrast in the bible is kill and destroy everything and have no mercy. Those are not the only verses.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 02:42:28 PM
Prove I am not a prophet, lol. You have to prove he is not the other way around




That's really easy. You lie, you have ulterior sinister motives as has already been demonstrated, you go against the message of the prophets and messengers, you preach pantheism, etc...

Muhammad (pbuh) is the seal of the prophets no true prophet of God will come after him. The only exception is the return of Jesus (pbuh) as the messiah which is again not a new prophet or messenger.

All the so called prophets and messiahs that have come forth after have been proven frauds and humiliated, exposed for being liars, making things up, doing things for worldly wealth, etc... etc...


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 01, 2012, 02:59:24 PM
Muhammad is a lier and he had other motives too, he was war lord and his thirst for power was as big as Hitlers. lol at other frauds doing things for wealth, Muhammad was the richest of them all (false prophets that is)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 03:07:47 PM
Muhammad is a lier and he had other motives too, he was war lord and his thirst for power was as big as Hitlers. lol at other frauds doing things for wealth, Muhammad was the richest of them all (false prophets that is)

You're a sad desperate liar. I feel sorry for you.

1. Muhammad was known as al-amin a title given to him by the arabs before ever preaching about the message of Islam. Al-amin means the most trustworthy. He was known as a person who would not lie so that when he preached about the message of Islam, certain people like yourself tried to call him a liar, madmen, sorceror, etc... and it backfired against them as they always knew him as someone who was trustworthy and would never lie. When they tried to do what you are doing, all the people questioned those throwing the accusations with ulterior motives. Indeed Muhammad (pbuh) was always the most trustworthy and would not lie.

2. Muhammad (pbuh) had no thirst for power or this world, he sacrificed himself for spreading the message of Islam even if it meant suffering. Countless examples can be given, where he was humiliated, beaten, even the 3 years of famine, where he lost his children, wife, etc... Even certain people throwing rocks at him, children being told to throw things at him to the point he was bleeding and bloody all over.

One story of a jewish woman. She used to throw garbage at him every morning, and throw slurs at him, but one morning when she did not appear, Muhammad (pbuh) inquired about her and found out she was not well, he went to her and came to her home to her surprise. She wondered why he was there, he asked her that he was concerned for her well being and was worried if she was okay. She cried and became Muslim, having known what she was doing to him all this time.

Addendum to the above Muhammad (pbuh) had little to no wealth, he gave it all to the cause of Islam. Muhammad (pbuh) before dying gave away few robes and left overs of whatever he had so he would die without anything in this life. All prophets (pbuh) leave nothing for their families. Their status as men of God does not give them the right to favour their family or whatever for this world. Our goal is the after life.

Muhammad (pbuh) said that the poor would enter heaven before the rich.

I truly feel sorry because you are poor in your soul onetimehard. Again no proof.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pulling weight on November 01, 2012, 03:19:23 PM
You're a sad desperate liar. I feel sorry for you.

1. Muhammad was known as al-amin a title given to him by the arabs before ever preaching about the message of Islam. Al-amin means the most trustworthy. He was known as a person who would not lie so that when he preached about the message of Islam, certain people like yourself tried to call him a liar, madmen, sorceror, etc... and it backfired against them as they always knew him as someone who was trustworthy and would never lie. When they tried to do what you are doing, all the people questioned those throwing the accusations with ulterior motives. Indeed Muhammad (pbuh) was always the most trustworthy and would not lie.

2. Muhammad (pbuh) had no thirst for power or this world, he sacrificed himself for spreading the message of Islam even if it meant suffering. Countless examples can be given, where he was humiliated, beaten, even the 3 years of famine, where he lost his children, wife, etc... Even certain people throwing rocks at him, children being told to throw things at him to the point he was bleeding and bloody all over.

One story of a jewish woman. She used to throw garbage at him every morning, and throw slurs at him, but one morning when she did not appear, Muhammad (pbuh) inquired about her and found out she was not well, he went to her and came to her home to her surprise. She wondered why he was there, he asked her that he was concerned for her well being and was worried if she was okay. She cried and became Muslim, having known what she was doing to him all this time.

Addendum to the above Muhammad (pbuh) had little to no wealth, he gave it all to the cause of Islam. Muhammad (pbuh) before dying gave away few robes and left overs of whatever he had so he would die without anything in this life. All prophets (pbuh) leave nothing for their families. Their status as men of God does not give them the right to favour their family or whatever for this world. Our goal is the after life.

Muhammad (pbuh) said that the poor would enter heaven before the rich.

I truly feel sorry because you are poor in your soul onetimehard. Again no proof.

Pedo-worshipper meltdown


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on November 01, 2012, 03:43:03 PM
Aren't these verses of the Koran describing a historical setting....an attack on Mecca and not necessarily a universal truth?  I can't imagine Surah 9:5 is  meant for Muslims of today...if that were true and we met in person you're commanded by Allah to cut my Christian head off if refused to convert to Islam, correct LOL?



Good points.The verses were only revealed, and i couldnt find any evidence that the idol worshippers were actually killed, the numbers killed etc.

The  veres doesnt give any right for a muslim to take the verse and use it for there own purposes.

Sometimes you may read something in the koran, and maybe later on you may find that verse has been overtaken or nulled by another verse.

for example, back in the days, the arabs and muslims use to drink alcohol, later on, they were forbidden to drink alcohol when they were praying.Then later on, islam forbade alcohol.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on November 01, 2012, 03:45:20 PM
Yes but that is not the point. The extremist use this verse as an excuse for violence. Also many Islamic people do not believe it was referring to that particular situation, they believe it was intended as a future universal law, I guess it is a matter of interpretation.
I do not beleive it is universal and dont use it as a excuse for violence


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 01, 2012, 03:46:29 PM
I do not beleive it is universal and dont use it as a excuse for violence
No most don't but many do


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Internet Tough Guy on November 01, 2012, 03:55:31 PM
Pedo-worshipper meltdown

^^^^
this


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Man of Steel on November 01, 2012, 04:01:40 PM
Good points.The verses were only revealed, and i couldnt find any evidence that the idol worshippers were actually killed, the numbers killed etc.

The  veres doesnt give any right for a muslim to take the verse and use it for there own purposes.

Sometimes you may read something in the koran, and maybe later on you may find that verse has been overtaken or nulled by another verse.

for example, back in the days, the arabs and muslims use to drink alcohol, later on, they were forbidden to drink alcohol when they were praying.Then later on, islam forbade alcohol.

onetimehard is correct in that some muslims do believe this verse is a command from Allah as real today as it was in the past. 

I've heard both interpretations, the historical context and the universal nature of the verse.  The problem is determining which Muslims you may encounter that relate that verse in the context of history or that find out that I'm a Christian and proceed to behead me.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 01, 2012, 04:08:21 PM
onetimehard is correct in that some muslims do believe this verse is a command from Allah as real today as it was in the past. 

I've heard both interpretations, the historical context and the universal nature of the verse.  The problem is determining which Muslims you may encounter that relate that verse in the context of history or that find out that I'm a Christian and proceed to behead me.
Precisely, a very dangerous verse indeed, it has already resulted in millions of deaths to date.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on November 01, 2012, 04:14:51 PM
onetimehard is correct in that some muslims do believe this verse is a command from Allah as real today as it was in the past. 

I've heard both interpretations, the historical context and the universal nature of the verse.  The problem is determining which Muslims you may encounter that relate that verse in the context of history or that find out that I'm a Christian and proceed to behead me.

At the end of the day, i take islam from prophet Mohammed and his lord.I mentioned this here before, i dont care if every muslim in the world stole, cheated, killed etc, doesnt make it right.When i die, God is not going to ask me about other muslims mischeifs, he is going to ask about me and how i lived my life and how i protected and treated my family and friends.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Man of Steel on November 01, 2012, 04:25:31 PM
At the end of the day, i take islam from prophet Mohammed and his lord.I mentioned this here before, i dont care if every muslim in the world stole, cheated, killed etc, doesnt make it right.When i die, God is not going to ask me about other muslims mischeifs, he is going to ask about me and how i lived my life and how i protected and treated my family and friends.

It's absolutely your free choice to do so.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 04:34:58 PM
No most don't but many do

Why do you lie?

No Muslim does if they know the context. You obviously didn't even know the context, the last person to actually be credible in 'what many muslim do'

Likewise with the verse "kill them wherever you find them" it is not even the whole verse lol. And again in your pathetic desperatoin at least you could hve quoted what comes right after in that verse. It not only says accept terms of peace but it says escort people to place of safety!


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 04:36:03 PM
Precisely, a very dangerous verse indeed, it has already resulted in millions of deaths to date.

The united states and the various governments that have killed over a milloin Muslims in the middle east and africa are not following these verses.

Just a heads up in case you're a bit slow.

The verses in the bible on the other hand are far more dangerous as they LITERALLY say "have no mercy" kill em all, destroy everything. Not even animals are spared!


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pulling weight on November 01, 2012, 04:40:37 PM
The united states and the various governments that have killed over a milloin Muslims in the middle east and africa are not following these verses.

Just a heads up in case you're a bit slow.

Hopefully they kill many more.
Soon Europeans will collectively grow tired of you backwards cave men and you'll be one of the first to beg for your life when the reconquista happens. Remember what happened in Spain when the Asturian kingdoms brutally reconquered every lost province and expelled the lot of you under threat of a brutal death. That is your fate, and no amount of weasel words will save you.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 04:53:59 PM
Hopefully they kill many more.
Soon Europeans will collectively grow tired of you backwards cave men and you'll be one of the first to beg for your life when the reconquista happens. Remember what happened in Spain when the Asturian kingdoms brutally reconquered every lost province and expelled the lot of you under threat of a brutal death. That is your fate, and no amount of weasel words will save you.

Yes, they came and killed all the jews and muslims and forcefully converted them to chrsitianity. That's where the 'crypto-jews' term comes from. Hiding your faith in public.

Brilliant european savages. When European savages came to spain they thought they were in another world. As Spain had running street lights while most of europe was living in mud houses.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 01, 2012, 04:54:03 PM
Why do you lie?

No Muslim does if they know the context. You obviously didn't even know the context, the last person to actually be credible in 'what many muslim do'

Likewise with the verse "kill them wherever you find them" it is not even the whole verse lol. And again in your pathetic desperatoin at least you could hve quoted what comes right after in that verse. It not only says accept terms of peace but it says escort people to place of safety!
YOU ARE A BIG LIAR, so many Muslims believe this, millions believe this, don't be so delusional you liar, be true to yourself don't delude yourself millions of Muslims still believe that the verse applies to today.

Millions have died because of this verse, millions, and million more will die cause of this verse, not one single human will die over anything the Bible teaches in the future, yes millions have died in the past but unlike Muslims Christians don't follow the law of Moses any more.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 04:55:45 PM
YOU ARE A BIG LIAR, so many Muslims believe this, millions believe this, don't be so delusional you liar, be true to yourself don't delude yourself millions of Muslims still believe that the verse applies to today.

Millions have died because of this verse, millions, and million more will die cause of this verse, not one single human will die over anything the Bible teaches in the future, yes millions have died in the past but unlike Muslims Christians don't follow the law of Moses any more.

Emotional melt down :) Yes United states and western armies follow satan I guess? He encourages them to kill as many believers as possible.

Sorry but, no Muslim would be able to be as uneducated as you are about those verses, because unlike you, they would read the verses before and after. You have not even realized that the verse you mentioned right after mentions protection, escorting to safety, peace, etc... It shows that you have yet again proven to be a desperate islamophobe who gets his 'knowledge' from islamophobe blogs just like e-kul.

My point was the bible says out right have no mercy kill everything even women, children elderly and animals. Spare nothing destroy everything. You will not find anything close to that in the qur'an.

Why don't you erase that from the bible if it's not from God. You say the ENTIRE bible is God's 'inspired word'. Is it?

Still waiting for your 'proof' that Muhammad is a false prophet. I am waiting.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 01, 2012, 05:07:05 PM
You are just plain stupid if you think that I did not know what that verse was referring to, wow such ignorance. The problem lies in the fact that many Muslim won't let it go. Reality check bro, some Muslims believe in this verse still and kill in the name of the verse and like I said millions more will die because of this verse, show me a verse in the Bible that will result in millions more in our present time that will die.

No Christian country follows the law Moses anymore, Christian don't stone people anymore bro. I am not hating just putting up the Mirror


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 05:12:20 PM
You are just plain stupid if you think that I did not know what that verse was referring to, wow such ignorance. The problem lies in the fact that many Muslim won't let it go. Reality check bro, some Muslims believe in this verse still and kill in the name of the verse and like I said millions more will die because of this verse, show me a verse in the Bible that will result in millions more in our present time that will die.

No Christian country follows the law Moses anymore, Christian don't stone people anymore bro. I am not hating just putting up the Mirror

The only person 'not letting go' is you :) If you knew what that verse was and it's context, then why even bother posting it? You didn't, you just copy pasted it.

You thought you were a smart ass for mentioning 'some sword verse' Didn't expect me to post a verse about swords and division by Jesus (pbuh) did you? And if you post verses about battles/fighting, the comparison is not even close. The qur'an will never encourage killing random people, or 'everyone' or whoever while the bible does and mercilessly too.

You're just talking out of your exhaust now, really showing desperation and how islamophobic you are. I feel sorry for you. Proving what your whining opening statement in your thread was all about, that you were accused for being an islamophobe and rightly so, as you are desperately holding onto straws to 'get your point across' about islam being 'evil'.

Yes no Christian follows any of God's laws, you follow man made laws. That's why christians allow gay priests to marry gay 'couples' today even though God destroyed Sodom and Gomorah. You have become lost and follow only your whims and desires.

Again still waiting for your 'proof' of how Muhammad (pbuh) is a false prophet.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 01, 2012, 05:20:32 PM
Bro I am not reading your dumb rants. This verse needs to be posted it is costing lives by the millions, how could anyone let it go, it is a plague of a verse, a curse to humanity, a disgrace and a demonic verse for what it will cost humanity. Like I said anything you mentioned about the Bible is not costing lives right now but the Koran is, get over it Mr. delusional.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 05:26:06 PM
lol you're a funny islamophobe  ;D


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 05:28:37 PM
Muslim babies very scary:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WYfPcH9G8yI/Tt750zfD2_I/AAAAAAAAAwA/L7hFRzoKwTE/s1600/babies-with-laser-eyes-20100219-103657.jpg)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 01, 2012, 05:29:44 PM
lol you're a funny islamophobe  ;D
Islamic insecurities ?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 05:31:46 PM
Bro you created this thread out of your own insecurity. You have no credible proofs or discussion points in defending what you believe or disproving Islam. You made a mockery of even christian doctrine by starting to make up your own beliefs along the way and preach pantheism.

You first desperately created that stupid thread about 'wild asses'. Then you created this thread to whine and cry about that thread being destroyed and you were exposed for what you are again desperately trying to do now.

And you should be scared of our laser beams.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 01, 2012, 05:32:48 PM
bla bla bla  :'(


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 05:33:54 PM
You are still deterring from the can you opened (irony). You stated numerous times in anger and seriousness that Muhammad (pbuh) is a false prophet.

I still demand your proof. So far you've done nothing but humiliate yourself by lying.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pulling weight on November 01, 2012, 05:34:51 PM
Yes, they came and killed all the jews and muslims and forcefully converted them to chrsitianity. That's where the 'crypto-jews' term comes from. Hiding your faith in public.

Brilliant european savages. When European savages came to spain they thought they were in another world. As Spain had running street lights while most of europe was living in mud houses.

Outed yourself


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 05:36:17 PM
Outed yourself

So are you a gimmick for onetimehard or e-kul or pedro? I'm guessing you're a 40+ year old fart like pedro, so probably pedro. But then again e-kul is also a 40 year old fart except we all know he was abused as a child. Maybe I'm onto something. Three gimmicks in one all the same age? Coincidence?

I have muslim laser beam eyes watch out just like those very dangerous babies with laser beams


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pulling weight on November 01, 2012, 05:38:54 PM
So are you a gimmick for onetimehard or e-kul or pedro?

I have muslim laser beam eyes watch out just like those very dangerous babies with laser beams

We know you are not a convert as you claim to be. You are a regular middle-eastern Muslim spreading your snake propaganda. You outed yourself with the "European savages" quote. That sort of venom could only come from an camel fuxker!


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 05:40:04 PM
We know you are not a convert as you claim to be. You are a regular middle-eastern Muslim spreading your snake propaganda. You outed yourself with the "European savages" quote. That sort of venom could only come from an Arab!

Well I'll be meeting a getbigger on sunday from here ;) He can affirm that I am a whitey (with facial hair) ;) FYI, I studied French history in depth, all the kings and morons, emperors, including charlamange. "Baptize or die". Europe was nothing but savages killing cousins left and right for power. Pre-islamic arabs were also barbaric savages, although they had certain standards but none the less still barbaric. Islam liberated them and united them. What united Europe was brute force and greed alone not faith. Even the formation of the EU, it was Hitler's vision. Unity by force, not intellect or faith.

So e-kul/pedro/pulling weight... what went wrong in your childhood?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pulling weight on November 01, 2012, 05:42:56 PM
Well I'll be meeting a getbigger on sunday from here ;) He can affirm that I am a whitey (with facial hair) ;)

So e-kul/pedro/pulling weight... what went wrong in your childhood?

What happened in your childhood that caused you to have an identity crisis?

P.S. Tell him don't shake your left hand. He is a getbigger afterall.



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 01, 2012, 05:49:51 PM
You are still deterring from the can you opened (irony). You stated numerous times in anger and seriousness that Muhammad (pbuh) is a false prophet.

I still demand your proof. So far you've done nothing but humiliate yourself by lying.
Bro you are seriously making yourself look very foolish.

This man, self proclaimed prophet cleverly devised a verse that would be mis-interpreted by millions and cause more violence and chaos to humanity throughout the ages and the death toll will climb to the day the world ends because of one verse, I would say he is not only a false profit but an Antichrist that the Bible has warned us about and has a lot of blood on his hands, more then Hitler and Napoleon combined, how much more proof do you want?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 05:50:08 PM
So I've exposed your gimmicks finally, e-kul/pedro/pulling weight. An angry 40 year old that can't let go of his abusive past so he abuses others.

I did not have an identity crisis. I guess you would know all about identity crisis now wouldn't you?

I travelled a lot, therefore I was exposed to a lot of cultures and people. I enjoyed studying history and other cultures. Even living in Canada gives me an opportunity to still experience different people as we are far more multi cultural than the "AMERICAN" south. I even loved studying ancient cultures (summerian/babylonian, persian, aztec, egyptian, chinese, etc...)

None of us have a choice where we are born, when we are born, to whom we are born and whether we are born male or female. We are what we come into this world. However we have choices that we can chose in our lives. I have chosen to believe in God and I have discovered and accepted Islam. If my ancestors are following misguidance why would I follow them merely because I am from them? Catholic or Orthodox Christian?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pulling weight on November 01, 2012, 05:51:40 PM
So I've exposed your gimmicks finally, e-kul/pedro/pulling weight. An angry 40 year old that can't let go of his abusive past so he abuses others.

I did not have an identity crisis. I guess you would know all about identity crisis now wouldn't you?

I travelled a lot, therefore I was exposed to a lot of cultures and people. I enjoyed studying history and other cultures. Even living in Canada gives me an opportunity to still experience different people as we are far more multi cultural than the "AMERICAN" south. I even loved studying ancient cultures (summerian/babylonian, persian, aztec, egyptian, chinese, etc...)

None of us have a choice where we are born, when we are born, to whom we are born and whether we are born male or female. We are what we come into this world. However we have choices that we can chose in our lives. I have chosen to believe in God and I have discovered and accepted Islam.

Is it true you wipe your ass with your bare left hand?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 05:52:18 PM
Is it true you wipe your ass with your bare led hand?


We also wash our hands, we also take showers and we brush teeth. We even wash ourselves before we pray to God. Islam encourages to always be in a state of cleanliness and purity. In fact one of the oldest examples of a toothbrush is Muslim it's called a miswak. You should try it sometimes. Being clean is good for you.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pulling weight on November 01, 2012, 05:55:08 PM

We also wash our hands, we also take showers and we brush teeth. We even wash ourselves before we pray to God. Islam encourages to always be in a state of cleanliness and purity. In fact one of the oldest examples of a toothbrush is Muslim it's called a miswak. You should try it sometimes. Being clean is good for you.

So it is true that you wash your ass after every bowel movement with your bare left hand.
and it is also true that it is a grave insult to shake someone's hand with the left because that is your designated 'ass wipe hand'.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 05:59:16 PM
So it is true that you wash your ass after every bowel movement with your bare left hand.
and it is also true that it is a grave insult to shake someone's hand with the left because that is your designated 'ass wipe hand'.

Yes we do wash our privates and behind with our left hand. It is etiquette to do less good things with the left hand and good things with the right hand. It does not mean we do not clean or wash our left hand.

Lets be real, what's wrong with that? Instead what do certain western people do who use only dry toilette paper? They leave behind chunks and dried out poop on their rear until they take a shower (when?). You wouldn't wash a ferrari with toilette paper would you? Do you use toilette paper on your body when you take a shower? Or do you use water?

It's pretty disgusting to see some people I work with who never wash their hands after they pee. Those are the people me and my coleuges (who know) do not shake hands with indeed).

Washing hands after these tasks is mandatory. You don't just whip out and go outside after doing this business.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pulling weight on November 01, 2012, 06:02:54 PM
Yes we do wash our privates and behind with our left hand. It is etiquette to do less good things with the left hand and good things with the right hand. It does not mean we do not clean or wash our left hand.

Lets be real, what's wrong with that? Instead what do certain western people do who use only dry toilette paper? They leave behind chunks and dried out poop on their rear until they take a shower (when?). You wouldn't wash a ferrari with toilette paper would you? Do you use toilette paper on your body when you take a shower? Or do you use water?

It's pretty disgusting to see some people I work with who never wash their hands after they pee. Those are the people me and my coleuges (who know) do not shake hands with indeed).

Washing hands after these tasks is mandatory. You don't just whip out and go outside after doing this business.

:D

Can't get more 'real' than that.

I am fortunate in that I have installed a bidet in my abode, and thus I do not suffer 'chunks of dried toilet tissue in my ass'.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 06:04:21 PM
:D

Can't get more 'real' than that.

I am fortunate in that I have installed a bidet in my abode, and thus I do not suffer 'chunks of dried toilet tissue in my ass'.

During the later Tang Dynasty (618–907 AD), an Arab traveller to China in the year 851 AD remarked:

"...they [the Chinese] do not wash themselves with water when they have done their necessities; but they only wipe themselves with paper."[2]

Can't get more real than that.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 06:05:45 PM
I am fortunate in that I have installed a bidet in my abode, and thus I do not suffer 'chunks of dried toilet tissue in my ass'.

That's good. Muslim countries have bidets, unlike western countries. Sucks. While in UAE for instance, every bathroom had a bidet. Our houses in Libya and Tunisia had a bidet. It's pretty common. Really wish we would install one here, not sure even where to buy one.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pulling weight on November 01, 2012, 06:12:29 PM
That's good. Muslim countries have bidets, unlike western countries. Sucks. While in UAE for instance, every bathroom had a bidet. Our houses in Libya and Tunisia had a bidet. It's pretty common. Really wish we would install one here, not sure even where to buy one.

I will tell you my process:

First--the bidet (sometimes you don't have this luxury available)

Fine...

I take regular toilet paper and put one layer of it over a wet wipe.
(If you apply the wet wipe directly to your anus well... personally, I find
the sensation displeasing (it's just too wet!). And so the solution is to apply 1 layer of toilet paper over the wet wipe, thus attaining the perfect amount of moisture.

After working myself over this way, I go back again--this time only with the dry toilet paper,
and eliminate any excess moisture.

Finally I wash my hands with liquid soap.

After experimenting with many different methods, I have determined that this system is the best.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pulling weight on November 01, 2012, 06:16:03 PM
http://www.bidetsplus.com/how-to-install-a-bidet-seat.html


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on November 01, 2012, 06:41:37 PM
^blabla more ignorant pedro talking out of where the sunshine don't come. What a desperate islamophobe.


So I'm an Islamophobe living in a Muslim community with a Muslim next door neighbour?

Brilliant!


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 06:43:11 PM
pedro/e-kul/pulling weight you must be bored and have no life. Just use one username. You are 40+ year old. Are you even married? You seem to be creating false identities to cope with the stresses of early life. You must end this fantasy world. I can be your shrink for free  ;D Also courtesy of becoming Muslim I now can shoot lasers out of my eyes. It's awesome.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on November 01, 2012, 07:47:30 PM
Also courtesy of becoming Muslim I now can shoot lasers out of my eyes. It's awesome.

Shit... really? DAMMIT. Now the TSA will make us take off our eyeballs too!  ;D


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on November 01, 2012, 10:13:53 PM
pedro/e-kul/pulling weight you must be bored and have no life.

Well - I can't speak for the other two but I'm fairly sure at least one of them will be able to show they aren't on the same continent as me.

Here's a pic of a restaurant just round the corner from my house.

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/tb9pdvs/IMAG0862.jpg)

BTW - that green diamond there says "Halal" in case you can't read Arabic. The rest is in Thai.

And a local clothes shop...

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/tb9pdvs/IMAG0863.jpg)

Muslim Apparel of Thailand - probably not a shop you see much in Canadia...

Just use one username.

Hilarious - guy from Canadia that changed his name in real life accusing someone of being a multi-nick.

You are 40+ year old.

I can confirm that unlike yourself, I am a grown adult with 2 lovely kids. Hence the ease with which I was able to deal with your immature behaviour. It's water off a ducks back compared with my 3 year old..... So, what are you? 15? 14?

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/tb9pdvs/kids.jpg)

Are you even married?

Yes - in fact here's my wife from 2 weeks ago.

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/tb9pdvs/FridayNight.jpg)

Try not to get over excited at the shot of a woman with her face showing....


You seem to be creating false identities to cope with the stresses of early life.

Acually, it's you that created those. Good luck with figuring out why.

You must end this fantasy world. I can be your shrink for free  ;D Also courtesy of becoming Muslim I now can shoot lasers out of my eyes. It's awesome.

Errrr.... whatever....


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 11:14:24 PM
Good for you :) You know how halal is written in Arabic and you're lurking a neighborhood with Muslims rather than bars with ladyboys. Good for you.

In case you didn't know the population of Thailand is 67 million of which 94.6% are budhists and only 4.6% Muslims. That means 3 million muslims and 63 million budhists. Thai people in case you didn't know are not Arabs or Desis. Thailand is hardly a muslim country. In fact they are such a small minority and severely oppressed even though they are their native blood. They do not want to be ruled by budhists and want to seperate and rule themselves without oppression.

http://www.aljazeera.com/video/asia/2012/10/20121025115548635147.html

America has 4 million muslims which is more than thailand of which 1/4 are converts (aka not arabs, desis, etc...)

China has some estimated 20-40 million Muslims. Is it a Muslim country? No, Muslims are beaten up, forced to shave beards, children forbidden from attending friday sermons, people are prevented from prayers, the government enforces their own brainwashed imams, amongst other things by government.

I think you got confused with palm trees in thailand and thought it must be a mozzlem country! It's great to know you e-kul/pedro/pulling weight :)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 01, 2012, 11:25:06 PM
Shit... really? DAMMIT. Now the TSA will make us take off our eyeballs too!  ;D

Not if you use the lasers to melt the scanners! Be creative!


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on November 02, 2012, 12:47:33 AM
YOU ARE A BIG LIAR, so many Muslims believe this, millions believe this, don't be so delusional you liar, be true to yourself don't delude yourself millions of Muslims still believe that the verse applies to today.

Millions have died because of this verse, millions, and million more will die cause of this verse, not one single human will die over anything the Bible teaches in the future, yes millions have died in the past but unlike Muslims Christians don't follow the law of Moses any more.

I do not beleive that millions of muslims know that verse.How do you know millions of muslims know that verse?Im a fundamentalist muslim and i dont know that verse. Do you think every muslim in the world had memorised the koran and can pin point every verse in the koran?


And how do you know millions of people have died because of that verse?

Show me where there are millions of dead people?


Title: UO
Post by: pedro01 on November 02, 2012, 12:53:19 AM
Good for you :) You know how halal is written in Arabic and you're lurking a neighborhood with Muslims rather than bars with ladyboys. Good for you.

Ladyboys? Congratulations on being predictable.

I don't lurk in a Muslim neighbourhood, I live in one Ahmed. That must really piss you off.

In case you didn't know the population of Thailand is 67 million of which 94.6% are budhists and only 4.6% Muslims. That means 3 million muslims and 63 million budhists. Thai people in case you didn't know are not Arabs or Desis. Thailand is hardly a muslim country. In fact they are such a small minority and severely oppressed even though they are their native blood. They do not want to be ruled by budhists and want to seperate and rule themselves without oppression.

Look at Mr Google.  ::)

Why do you keep bringing up race? The Arab vs Desi thing seems be quite an issue for you. Are all not equal in your eyes? Anyway - if ethnicity is your thing, then those in the South are ethnically Malay mostly but by no means exclusively. My neighbour for instance is ethnically Chinese yet a Muslim with a Buddhist wife. Does this make them inferior to you?

Anyway - here in Bangkok there is no Muslim oppression.

In the South of Thailand, the problems there did not start because of oppression. After the coup in 2006, Sonthi Boonyaratglin became prime minister. He used to be commender in chief of the Royal Thai Army and is.... wait for it... A MUSLIM...

Sort of takes the wind out of your sails  doesn't it? Thailand with a Muslim as head of the army and then head of a post-coup government. Does that sound like oppression of Muslims to you? I guess all Thais are Islamophobes.

The problems in the South are the cause of a separatist movement that wants to redefine the border. They want to live in a Muslim state as the lower 3 provinces were in the late 1700's.  They are a tiny minority but like all Muslim terrorists, they get lots of support in terms of weapons and money from outside of Thailand.

In that region 30% of all people are Muslims. Muslims are in local government there (as they are all over Thailand). They voted overwhelmingly for the new charter in that region.

http://www.aljazeera.com/video/asia/2012/10/20121025115548635147.html

This was indeed a terrible tragedy. Another terrible tragedy at the time was the extra-judicial killing of 2,500 'drug dealers'. No arrest, no trial, just bang bang. This caused carnage in Bangkok and other regions of Thailand. Both the Tak Bai and War on Drugs incident can be traced back to the idiotic policies of the populist 'Messiah' Thaksin Shinawatra.  Tak Bai caused a lot of grief here. It was a terrible event caused by a heavy handed approach to Muslim separatist terrorism in the area.  This is NOT oppression of Muslims and thank God Thaksin got kicked out in 2006.

The real oppression in Thailand is oppression of Buddhist Monks, School Teachers, School Children and members of the Police and Armed services. Not a day goes by when people from one or more of these groups are shot or blown up by Muslims who want to revert the borders to the way they were hundreds of years ago.

Recently these idiot 'insurgents' had all shops closing down on Friday in the name of Islam. Not sure which version that came from.... http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/317717/south-trading-returns-to-almost-normal
How about a Grenade attack on a childrens home - http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/318951/mysterious-grenade-attack-on-kids-home
5 police hurt by a roadside bomb - http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/318916/5-soldiers-injured-by-pattani-bomb
Grenade hitting 16 people in a restaurant - http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/318550/grenade-blast-wounds-16-pattani-diners
2 killed by a bomb at a fair - http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/319082/2-slain-4-wounded-in-pattani-shooting

All in a week! You get the idea. The Muslims carrying out these attacks are total scum. Many of their victims are Muslims too.

America has 4 million muslims which is more than thailand of which 1/4 are converts (aka not arabs, desis, etc...)

Why is race important to you - surely a Muslim is a Muslim. Most of these people were born into Muslim families. 
China has some estimated 20-40 million Muslims. Is it a Muslim country? No, Muslims are beaten up, forced to shave beards, children forbidden from attending friday sermons, people are prevented from prayers, the government enforces their own brainwashed imams, amongst other things by government.

So what? I never said that Thailand was a Muslim country any more than Canadia is. Thailand isn't China. Thailand is EXTREMELY tolerant of all religions. I live in a Muslim community, not a Muslim country. Big difference.

I think you got confused with palm trees in thailand and thought it must be a mozzlem country! It's great to know you e-kul/pedro/pulling weight :)

Nope - I just think you have some major comprehension issues.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 02, 2012, 04:27:52 AM
I do not beleive that millions of muslims know that verse.How do you know millions of muslims know that verse?Im a fundamentalist muslim and i dont know that verse. Do you think every muslim in the world had memorised the koran and can pin point every verse in the koran?


And how do you know millions of people have died because of that verse?

Show me where there are millions of dead people?
My pleasure but be patient, first I must show you the millions that believe this verse has to be carried out, and I laugh at Ahmed for being so naive into thinking that no Muslim believes that that verse has to be carried out til this day.

Ready?

The Qur'an commands its followers to launch jihads or holy wars of conquest to force conversions to Islam.

Fight and slay the unbelievers wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war. (Surah IX:5)

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth (i.e. Islam), (even if they are people of the Book), until they pay the tax with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. (Surah IX:29)

Seize them and slay them wherever you find them. (Surah IV:89,91



"We are at war against infidels. Take this message with you, 'I ask all Islamic nations, all Muslims, all Islamic armies, and all heads of Islamic states to join the Holy War. There are many enemies to be killed or destroyed. Jihad must triumph...Muslims have no alternative... to an armed Holy War against profane governments... Holy War means the conquest of all non-Muslim territories... It will... be the duty of every able bodied adult male to volunteer for this war of conquest, the final aim of which is to put Koranic law in power from one end of the earth to the other.'" - Ayatollah Khomeini , "The U.S. is the devil on this planet." World Islamic Popular Command

"Death to America, the Great Satan!" - Muslim mobs in Egypt, Iran, Iraq, etc.

"Muslims must kill the enemies of Allah, in every way and everywhere in order to liberate themselves from the grandchildren of the pigs and apes who are educated at the table of the Zionists, the Communists, and the Imperialists."
- Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman

"The United States is a den of evil and fornication... I will show all Americans that they will not be happy if they do not follow Islam." - Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman

2 very powerful and influential leaders



"The United States is a den of evil and fornication... I will show all Americans that they will not be happy if they do not follow Islam." - Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman

"Any doubt about the need to struggle against the U.S. means being enslaved by the Great Satan, and losing the honor and the life the Islamic Revolution has brought to this country and the whole Islamic Ummah." - Ali Akbar Mohtashemi

"It is a matter of time... In 10 years you will have quite a number of countries united under the banner of Islamic fundamentalism." - Hassan al-Turabi

"There is fury, fury everywhere ... Islam is escalating and cannot be resisted. I pray that Allah may tear apart America just as the Soviet Union was torn apart ..." - Sheik al-Tamimi

" wanted to topple one [tower] into the other and kill thousands to send a message to American that they were at war." - Ramzi Yousef, the mastermind of the blowing up of the World Trade Center



Now, this is world perception


"In short, the coming Islamic Empire will be a world power in every sense of the word, whose people will share a vibrant religion and a common Islamic culture. Like its Muslim predecessors, the Islamic Empire of the early 21st Century will also have an appetite for territorial expansion and military conquest. A modern, worldwide jihad against non-Muslim populations and societies complete with nuclear weapons promises to bring the highest casualty rates in the history of mankind. World War III, if it does come, will probably occur between the Islamic Bloc and the Western nations. It will be the deadliest war ever fought by humanity." - Anthony Dennis



"It doesn't matter what they tell you - Islamic fundamentalism is a worldwide menace... Allah is rapidly equipping Khomeini's followers with a sword to carry out their master's wishes. He has offered Islam the fire in which the Koran says those who follow false faiths are destined to burn: nuclear weaponry. He has also provided the long-range missiles needed to use it. According to the late Imam's logic, there may be only one just and righteous thing to do: employ this technology to wipe out recalcitrant heathens like you and me." - Howard Bloom


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on November 02, 2012, 04:52:35 AM
My pleasure but be patient, first I must show you the millions that believe this verse has to be carried out, and I laugh at Ahmed for being so naive into thinking that no Muslim believes that that verse has to be carried out til this day.

Ready?

The Qur'an commands its followers to launch jihads or holy wars of conquest to force conversions to Islam.

Fight and slay the unbelievers wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war. (Surah IX:5)

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth (i.e. Islam), (even if they are people of the Book), until they pay the tax with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. (Surah IX:29)

Seize them and slay them wherever you find them. (Surah IV:89,91



"We are at war against infidels. Take this message with you, 'I ask all Islamic nations, all Muslims, all Islamic armies, and all heads of Islamic states to join the Holy War. There are many enemies to be killed or destroyed. Jihad must triumph...Muslims have no alternative... to an armed Holy War against profane governments... Holy War means the conquest of all non-Muslim territories... It will... be the duty of every able bodied adult male to volunteer for this war of conquest, the final aim of which is to put Koranic law in power from one end of the earth to the other.'" - Ayatollah Khomeini , "The U.S. is the devil on this planet." World Islamic Popular Command

"Death to America, the Great Satan!" - Muslim mobs in Egypt, Iran, Iraq, etc.

"Muslims must kill the enemies of Allah, in every way and everywhere in order to liberate themselves from the grandchildren of the pigs and apes who are educated at the table of the Zionists, the Communists, and the Imperialists."
- Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman

"The United States is a den of evil and fornication... I will show all Americans that they will not be happy if they do not follow Islam." - Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman

2 very powerful and influential leaders



"The United States is a den of evil and fornication... I will show all Americans that they will not be happy if they do not follow Islam." - Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman

"Any doubt about the need to struggle against the U.S. means being enslaved by the Great Satan, and losing the honor and the life the Islamic Revolution has brought to this country and the whole Islamic Ummah." - Ali Akbar Mohtashemi

"It is a matter of time... In 10 years you will have quite a number of countries united under the banner of Islamic fundamentalism." - Hassan al-Turabi

"There is fury, fury everywhere ... Islam is escalating and cannot be resisted. I pray that Allah may tear apart America just as the Soviet Union was torn apart ..." - Sheik al-Tamimi

" wanted to topple one [tower] into the other and kill thousands to send a message to American that they were at war." - Ramzi Yousef, the mastermind of the blowing up of the World Trade Center



Now, this is world perception


"In short, the coming Islamic Empire will be a world power in every sense of the word, whose people will share a vibrant religion and a common Islamic culture. Like its Muslim predecessors, the Islamic Empire of the early 21st Century will also have an appetite for territorial expansion and military conquest. A modern, worldwide jihad against non-Muslim populations and societies complete with nuclear weapons promises to bring the highest casualty rates in the history of mankind. World War III, if it does come, will probably occur between the Islamic Bloc and the Western nations. It will be the deadliest war ever fought by humanity." - Anthony Dennis



"It doesn't matter what they tell you - Islamic fundamentalism is a worldwide menace... Allah is rapidly equipping Khomeini's followers with a sword to carry out their master's wishes. He has offered Islam the fire in which the Koran says those who follow false faiths are destined to burn: nuclear weaponry. He has also provided the long-range missiles needed to use it. According to the late Imam's logic, there may be only one just and righteous thing to do: employ this technology to wipe out recalcitrant heathens like you and me." - Howard Bloom

Im sorry, i still dont see the millions of dead people that you claim the verse talks about.

show me where the miilions of dead people are?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on November 02, 2012, 04:56:19 AM
Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman

Influential leader?

lmao



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on November 02, 2012, 06:52:34 AM
WoW! The chinese sure now how to deal with Islamic scum, just get the army to hand out weapons to the disgruntled locals and let the games begin.  Hopefully the rest of the world will soon follow suit, and Islam will be nothing more than an unpleasant memory for the western world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxOgnaf5O8M


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 02, 2012, 12:56:25 PM
Pedro/E-kul/Pulling weight. You have some mental issues. Why are you living in Thailand if you are talking about me being a 'white boy canadian' mozzlem in Canada. Why are you in Thailand white boy? Your arguments are so flawed and riddled full of desperation and islamophobia nothing else.

Thailand was not what it is, it was thanks to the British that the Muslims lost their ability to rule themselves by what they believe not be oppressed by Thai buddhists. These Muslims are Malay and have no business with being ruled by budhists.

Burmese muslims are under oppressoin of budhists as well. I knew one muslimah who's whole family was killed and village burned, women raped, everyone executed, they tried to fight back but ultimately whoever escaped survived, from these budhist burmese.

Also a Muslim man may only marry another muslimah or a person belonging to "people of the book" (Jew and Christian) of which budhist is neither. I am sure you are nit picking examples of what is a 'good muslim' or 'bad muslim' as it suits you and not according to Islam. Although it may happen it is not suppose to happen. They even may perform rituals and beliefs that are completely foreign to Islamic teaching and even contrary to Islamic teachings such as animism. Just because you know what a 'halal' sign means it doesn't mean you know the first thing about Islam or Muslims. In fact if you hate Islam and Muslims so much why are you living in Muslim neighbourhoods as you claim. Maybe you should let your fellow neighbours know how you feel about Muhammad, Islam, etc...


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 02, 2012, 01:47:38 PM
Im sorry, i still dont see the millions of dead people that you claim the verse talks about.

show me where the miilions of dead people are?
First of all you not knowing the 'Sword verse" is like me teaching a grade two how to count, this is the most talked about, most popular verse, and most dominent verse on the planet, you can not go into battle without chanting this verse, no Muslim has ever engaged in battle without engraving this verse into their hearts. This verse is The is the engine to Muslim warfare.

Bro seriously? have you no knowledge on history? Nothing? Really?

 I don't have time to babysit you bro. Every single war Islam has engaged in have been in the name of that verse. Go read your history before every single battle that verse is read as the main key variable to fuel an army. Every single battle.

Here are a list of Wars from wiki, remember these are wars not battles, some wars have 100's of battle and every War chant is about the "Sword verse"

Contents  [hide]
1 History
1.1 Muhammad's campaigns
1.2 Byzantine–Arab Wars: 634–750
1.3 Conquest of Persia and Iraq: 633–651
1.4 Conquest of Transoxiana: 662–751
1.5 Conquest of Sindh: 664–712
1.6 Conquest of Hispania (711–718) and Septimania (719–720)
1.7 Conquest of the Caucasus: 711–750
1.8 End of the Umayyad conquests: 718–750
1.9 Conquest of Nubia: 700–1606
1.10 Incursions into southern Italy: 831–902
1.11 Conquest of Anatolia: 1060–1360
1.12 Byzantine-Ottoman Wars: 1299–1453
1.13 Further conquests: 1200–1800
1.14 Decline and collapse: 1800–1924


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 02, 2012, 01:52:08 PM
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA

Quote
you can not go into battle without chanting this verse, no Muslim has ever engaged in battle without engraving this verse into their hearts. This verse is The is the engine to Muslim warfare.




















HAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHA HAHHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHH AAHAHAHAHHAA

This subsection has turned into brainless entertainment of ignorance... there is no discussion anymore. Discussion requires at least two individuals with knowledge of a subject.

I am baffled.

Then again what to expect... you believe God is playing a video game and he can become the player in the video game or whatever you said...

We are just bickering not discussing it's pretty lame. To your heart's extent ranting your islamophobe non-sense and also making yourself look foolish as a Christian because you have uttered so much non-sense that even past popes would frown upon your claims.

You are preaching pantheism and even man of steel has eluded to it... it's mind blaaasstinng as russel peters would say


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 02, 2012, 01:53:42 PM
Great another one that knows jack about history, wow, uneducated people here.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 02, 2012, 01:56:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtKdNT7o858


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 02, 2012, 01:58:39 PM
keep trolling


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 02, 2012, 02:05:29 PM
keep trolling

The E-kul/pulling weight/pedro trinity is your strongest ally in trolling for the islamophobia olympics.

You are mind blasting, MIIIIND BLAAASTING.



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 02, 2012, 02:14:30 PM
When you get defeated it is typiacl for anyone to make a response such as your.^^

Why not stick to the point and BTW this is how you sound below;............

Muslim: “Muhammad was the greatest moral example ever! He was so kind and tolerant! He never hurt anyone unless they were waging a war against Islam!”

Questioner: “What about all the men and women he assassinated?”
Muslim: “Muhammad couldn’t have done such things, because he’s the greatest moral example ever! Shame on his earliest and closest followers and biographers for making up a bunch of immoral stories about him!”[4]

Questioner: “But how do we know he was the greatest moral example ever?”

Muslim: “Because of all the historical evidence!”

Questioner: “What about the historical evidence that he was sometimes a poor moral example?”

Muslim: “That evidence is all wrong!”

Questioner: “How do we know it’s wrong?”

Muslim: “Because Muhammad is the greatest moral example ever! Don’t listen to what the early Muslims said about Muhammad’s murders, tortures, robberies, etc. Just listen to what they said about his acts of kindness!”


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 02, 2012, 02:16:56 PM
so you graduated the university of islamophobia congratulations  ;D

lol "assassinated"

Congratulations on being a historian and scholar through the creation of a thread with ulterior motives and bag loads of islamophobe copy pastes :)











Why did your family murder and rape your neighbour? Is your mother still in jail or awaiting trial?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 02, 2012, 02:38:08 PM
Bro let me assure you that I am taking these matters very serious and you are not in my league when it comes to history, I do not joke or troll. I will not partake in your shallow games, that is what 5-6 posts of mocking and gibberish.
 
Keep this civilized if not you admit defeat. I will not speak for anyone here as I have no alliance but I write with my heart. I am not a clown or a troll so stop being immature and pathetic and stick to the subject. I have come to these conclusions after 10 000 hours of studying and research and million of people also share my point of views.

Just cause you do not like them does not mean they are not true, no wander you're clueless you do not take these things serious. Oh BTW you saying (pbuh) is a joke, trying to show you are honorable, it's all a front, you are despicable.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 02, 2012, 02:46:01 PM
You admitted defeated when you created the wild asses thread and this thread. You're a tool and I stand by that. You have been exposed as a desperate islamophobe not a person seeking truth of any kind. You have sunk to a lower level than e-kul/pedro/pulling weight.

Using your understanding and credibility answer my question:

Why did your family murder and rape your neighbour? Is your mother still in jail or awaiting trial?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 02, 2012, 02:52:56 PM
keep trolling while I remain at my moral standards.

"The sword verse" is the worst atrocious thing to ever happen to mankind, it comes from the devil, have a nice day.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 02, 2012, 02:56:54 PM
Why are you afraid to release information on what your family did? Millions have witnessed the brutal murder your family has done. People are suffering to this day. Your family should all be locked up. Is your mother still awaiting trial?

What about the families who have been harmed? Do you feel any remorse? Or does it run in your blood and there is no remorse? Why are you still free?

Neighbours have been talking about the dangers of your family for decades, now we all know why.

Have some goodness in you and answer for your victims. Why did your family murder and rape your neighbours?

The atrocities you and your family have committed is inspired by the devil himself!

Have a nice day!


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 02, 2012, 02:59:23 PM
keep trolling while I remain at my moral standards.

"The sword verse" is the worst atrocious thing to ever happen to mankind, it comes from the devil, have a nice day.

Does this come from God?:

  "You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD.  "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms.  With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer.  With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens.  With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers.  "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD.  "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth!  I am your enemy," says the LORD.  "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights.  When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble.  You will be desolate forever.  Even your stones will never again be used for building.  You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD.  (Jeremiah 51:20-26)


The page ran out of space for people anmals and things to kill. Would you be kind to elaborate on why your family murdered and raped your neighbours?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 02, 2012, 03:03:54 PM
Does this come from God?:

  "You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD.  "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms.  With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer.  With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens.  With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers.  "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD.  "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth!  I am your enemy," says the LORD.  "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights.  When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble.  You will be desolate forever.  Even your stones will never again be used for building.  You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD.  (Jeremiah 51:20-26)


The page ran out of space for people anmals and things to kill. Would you be kind to elaborate on why your family murdered and raped your neighbours?
Absolutely and did you read the part I highlighted, Muslims hate Jews, what God will do to who strikes his people.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 02, 2012, 03:08:10 PM
Absolutely and did you read the part I highlighted, Muslims hate Jews, what God will do to who strikes his people.

lol where does this Muslims hate Jews come from? Do you have ADD?

lol wait didn't you just rant about the 'sword verse'?

How come you find it a problem to understand that it was about pagans killing Muslims and breaking a treaty and Muslims fighting back? Yet you have no problem in accepting Jews killing Babylonians, EVERYONE.

Islam does not permit women and children to be killed in battle, elderly or men who abstain from battle and do not want to fight. In fact the verse you quote says escort people to safety!

The bible is just KILL KILL KILL KILL, no mercy, EVERYONE, EVERYTHING. Women, children, cattle, dogs, ox, mountains, kill kill all of it

Such a hypocrite :) Deaf, dumb and blind hardcore.


What inspires America when it murders millions in the middle-east?





So how about you and your family and the massacres you have committed? Millions have witnessed it what do you have to say?

I heard after your mother goes to jail, maybe your cousin and you will too? What do you have to say about that? The news is talking about it all the time! You cannot deny it!

You know so much about history and I'm professor trollolololol


I think you're chatting with Pamella Smeller on facebook or something?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 02, 2012, 03:19:19 PM
Look more verses of the sword AND encouraging rape

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword.  Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.  Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes.  For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off.  The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.  They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.  (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

You call this from God?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 02, 2012, 03:22:02 PM
This has already been explained to you a million times, The Muslims invented a religion out of resentment and jealousy towards God's chosen, the Israelite.

Yes I rant about the sword verse cause is is costing lives everyday.

Yes you are right the Bible does say kill kill kill, but that is during the days of conquest where you had to fight to survive, no verse in the Bible causes people to kill today and that is the major difference, wake up bro open your eye that verse is killing people, millions of them, face the facts bro.

lol, who is talking about America, why do you keep bringing up America, am I American? Like saying this guy raped someone, then you would respond well this guy in China raped someone too.

Think, use your head for once bro, you know how stupid you sound bringing up American to a Canadian and my back round is central America, I was born in Costa Rica and what America did to Japan is appalling

and you are just showing what a scumbag you are bring up my Mom, lol, that is all you got you have to start talking about people's family, lol, keep going bro, don't bother me any. LMAO  ;)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 02, 2012, 03:24:06 PM
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and you are just showing what a scumbag you are bring up my Mom, lol, that is all you got you have to start talking about people's family, lol, keep going bro, don't bother me any. LMAO 

Because the world must know the truth about your family! Your brothers, cousin, father, mother, you. The murders and rapes you have committed. Stop denying it. It's the truth! Decades of lies! Expose yourself! I am professor historian trollolol why are you lying to the world expose your family!


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 02, 2012, 03:26:23 PM
Wait America is a christian nation. Everyone in America is 'strongly' a christian, heaviest population of evangelists who have been in suppot of all the wars against Muslims. Causing millions of deaths.

It invaded/occuped/attacked 7 countries in the last ten years and killed over a million people. Wait what?

Hitler was a Christian how many did he kill? The church supported hitler not the jews.

lol at Islam was created out of jealousy of jews?

So what was christianity created out of? Envy of jews? You know Jews hate Christians right? And you know it is actually Christians not Muslims who have oppressed Jews for thousands of years. Jews fled to Muslim lands to seek protection.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 02, 2012, 03:26:30 PM
Look more verses of the sword AND encouraging rape

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword.  Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.  Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes.  For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off.  The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.  They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.  (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

You call this from God?
All this great proof of what exactly? it does not matter what those verses say because they do not cause people to kill today, everything is kept in Biblical times, nothing is brought to the modern ages and these horrific behaviour in the Bible is a sacrafice made by humanity to be reformed and eventually civilized and not barbaric, where as the verses in the Koran do not allow reformation and civil behaviour, they still cause people violence and pain til today.

BIG DIFFERENCE


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 02, 2012, 03:28:49 PM
^Bunch of bullshit of a hypocrite, fraud, deceiving liar nice try. The bible is responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths.

Natives were 'savages' that needed Christ in their life.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 02, 2012, 03:29:07 PM
Wait America is a christian nation. Everyone in America is 'strongly' a christian, heaviest population of evangelists who have been in suppot of all the wars against Muslims. Causing millions of deaths.

It invaded/occuped/attacked 7 countries in the last ten years and killed over a million people. Wait what?

Hitler was a Christian how many did he kill? The church supported hitler not the jews.

lol at Islam was created out of jealousy of jews?

So what was christianity created out of? Envy of jews? You know Jews hate Christians right? And you know it is actually Christians not Muslims who have oppressed Jews for thousands of years. Jews fled to Muslim lands to seek protection.
lol at Christian nation, you bought that line,... propaganda, "DON'T BE SO GULLIBLE MCFLY"

Christianity was created out of the word of God


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 02, 2012, 03:29:38 PM
lol at Christian nation, you bought that line,... propaganda, "DON'T BE SO GULLIBLE MCFLY"

Christianity was created out of the word of God

I thought it was created out of envy of Jews and Jewish law was abolished replaced by man made law?


"Bush: this great crusade"

Bush also claimed he talked to God and got 'guidance' for how to wage war.

Obama says Jesus died for his sins and Obama said he does alot of sins so.. yeah he is forgiven. So no problem. Go on and beat Bush's record of 2 countries, go ahead and take 5 more! Bravo! Saved!


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 02, 2012, 03:31:18 PM
^Bunch of bullshit of a hypocrite, fraud, deceiving liar nice try. The bible is responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths.

Natives were 'savages' that needed Christ in their life.
It is the honest to God truth versus in the Bible do not kill people today, verses in the Koran cause enormous amounts of pain, chaos and violence, resulting in murder, end of discussion simple as that.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 02, 2012, 03:32:25 PM
I thought it was created out of envy of Jews and Jewish law was abolished replaced by man made law?


"Bush: this great crusade"

Bush also claimed he talked to God and got 'guidance' for how to wage war.

Obama says Jesus died for his sins and Obama said he does alot of sins so.. yeah he is forgiven. So no problem. Go on and beat Bush's record of 2 countries, go ahead and take 5 more! Bravo! Saved!

Good for him, What is your point?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 02, 2012, 03:32:56 PM
It is the honest to God truth versus in the Bible do not kill people today, verses in the Koran cause enormous amounts of pain, chaos and violence, resulting in murder, end of discussion simple as that.

Not only were you proven a liar by not expressing the full context of what verses in the qur'an are. Even such as for example the verses always being superceded by accept peace, God does not love transgresors, escort people to safety, etc... or their context/setting.

You have also been a proven a hypocrite when shown with verses from the bible that call out for all out MERCILESS rape, massacres, brutal murders. Going oh oh oh oh but they were in response to what Babylonians did enslaving Jews.

Riiiiiiiiight! God tells Jews rape, murder and pillage everyone and everything.

And you claim Jesus is God and had a Jewish mother? lol

Weird kind of 'selective' truth you got here! Either you believe God is bipolar, forgetful and a liar or YOU and people such as yourself that have perverted God's message are bipolar, frauds and liars.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 02, 2012, 03:36:15 PM
Not only were you proven a liar by not expressing the full context of what verses in the qur'an are. Even such as for example the verses always being superceded by accept peace, God does not love transgresors, escort people to safety, etc...

You have also been a proven a hypocrite when shown with verses from the bible that call out for all out MERCILESS rape, massacres, brutal murders.
This is hardly the point here bro, if that verse means peace then it would still be a bad verse cause it's intended meaning is not being applied, people kill over that verse and that is the bottom line, so the true meaning counts for nothing if people are dying over it, once it again, wake up.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 02, 2012, 03:38:31 PM
Yeah and you're a non credible liar and a hypocrite. Why should anyone care what comes out of your mouth?

Everyone can read those verses in the bible and see nothing but merciless slaughter, rape and pillaging. After all the last one hundred years were caused by Christians and atheists not Muslims.

(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/c13.0.403.403/p403x403/400202_277240402395153_1933631300_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 02, 2012, 03:46:31 PM
I love it when numbers get super inflated, lol 100 million Natives, lmao The entire world population was only 300 000 million at the time, if that.

If anyone commits a crime it's a terrorist act, not just Muslims, so how can you throw something at me that agree with, that's how smart you,

 you throw America at me and I said they are horrible for what they did to Japan.

you throw that only Muslims are terrorist HS at me and I said no everyone is a terrorist not just Muslims, so keep throwing things at me that I agree with out of desperation, ding dong. ???  you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed  ;)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 02, 2012, 03:53:39 PM
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Native_Americans_and_Christianity

till their Priests and Ancients have their throats cut, there is no hope to bring them to conversion.”-John Smith

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_Philippines

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Philippines_(1521%E2%80%931898)

Philippines was Muslim, initially animist, then through trade with Muslims they accepted Islam and Islam became a majority until the "CHRISTIAN" conquistador from spain forcefully through the sword ripped them to pieces and converted them to catholicism.



You may be lying to people about these verses in the bible not being 'responsible' for hundreds of millions of deaths but they certainly are.

Whether its the spanish conquerors in philippines or whether its george w bush and obama


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 02, 2012, 03:57:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br_70Kbdpow

Yeah very funny, a million dead people later


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 02, 2012, 04:02:12 PM
Modern day examples:

Forced conversion of Muslims to Christianity in Australia.

Renouncing Islam Opens Australiaâs Asylum Doors

An Australian father and his son march in Sydney to highlight the plight of refugees in mandatory detention centers.

SYDNEY, March 21, 2005 In a precedent that could cause serious consequences, a group of 30 Iranian and Iraqi detainees in Australia who had their asylum claims rejected have won a review of their cases after some converted to Christianity.

A spokesman for Immigration Minister Amanda Vanstone said Monday, March 21, the 30 boatpeople, most of them Muslims and some who have been in detention for more than three years, had won the review after some claimed to be converts about two weeks ago, reported Reuters.

The group had exhausted all buttessment and appeals procedures but would be able to begin the process afresh for a variety of circumstances including conversion to Christianity and changed conditions in their home country, the spokesman said.

He could not say how many had converted to Christianity but added that, in some cases, new information had also arisen about the dangers of them being returned to their homelands.

Muslim organizations in Australia estimate the number of Muslims in Australia at 350,000.

Outrage

Theres's no denominational or religious-specific clause in the administration of our immigration policy," Howard said.

The move drew swift angry reactions from the opposition and Muslim minority leaders who warned against reviewing asylum claims based on religion.

They said Australia's international reputation could suffer and other detainees might convert merely to stay in the country.

To see that Australia is actively encouraging Muslims to convert to another religion is something that we don't need to be stigmatized with, a Lebanese Muslim buttociation president Keysar Trad told reporters.

Muslims generally aren't known for using their religion for worldly advantage, but there will be some weak in faith who will see it as a way of getting a visa, he added.

Greens party senator Bob Brown, a staunch critic of the government's asylum seeker detention policy, said religion was only relevant if it was the reason detainees had been persecuted before arriving in Australia.

The rule here is humanity, not the religious belief of some of those poor people who are facing export to countries where they face punishment, he stressed.

Let's not underestimate persecution that occurs in different countries but I think that if the government makes a decision on the basis of religion, as opposed to having a process of compbuttion and expediency, there is a real danger in causing people to go down that pathway,ä leader of the Family First Party Peter Harris said on ABC radio.

But refugee advocate Marion Le downplayed fears of other Muslim detainees converting to Christianity to gain visas.

There's never been an idea that by becoming a Christian you will be allowed to stay. They would know by converting they are doing a very serious thing and that other people who are Muslims in the detention centers could turn against them,ä she said.

Howard Defends Move

Prime Minister John Howard, for his part, argued that Australia, which has a tough policy of automatic detention of asylum seekers who arrive illegally, was not discriminating in favor of Christians, reported Agence France-Presse (AFP).

There's no denominational or religious-specific clause in the administration of our immigration policy,ä he told ABC radio.

Concerns about religious persecution can vary from one religion to another (and) are always factors in deciding how we deal with people,ä Howard said.

The idea that we would introduce something that is peculiar only to people who convert to Christianity -- that's not correct, he argued.

The Sydney Morning Herald said that these people, who have had their applications to stay rejected, could not be returned to their home countries for various reasons.

One detainee, Peter Qasim from Kashmir, has been in detention for more than six years but India will not take him back.

Australian immigration law calls for mandatory and unlimited detention of asylum seekers.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: stingray on November 02, 2012, 04:13:00 PM
First of all you not knowing the 'Sword verse" is like me teaching a grade two how to count, this is the most talked about, most popular verse, and most dominent verse on the planet, you can not go into battle without chanting this verse, no Muslim has ever engaged in battle without engraving this verse into their hearts. This verse is The is the engine to Muslim warfare.

Bro seriously? have you no knowledge on history? Nothing? Really?

 I don't have time to babysit you bro. Every single war Islam has engaged in have been in the name of that verse. Go read your history before every single battle that verse is read as the main key variable to fuel an army. Every single battle.

Here are a list of Wars from wiki, remember these are wars not battles, some wars have 100's of battle and every War chant is about the "Sword verse"

Contents  [hide]
1 History
1.1 Muhammad's campaigns
1.2 Byzantine–Arab Wars: 634–750
1.3 Conquest of Persia and Iraq: 633–651
1.4 Conquest of Transoxiana: 662–751
1.5 Conquest of Sindh: 664–712
1.6 Conquest of Hispania (711–718) and Septimania (719–720)
1.7 Conquest of the Caucasus: 711–750
1.8 End of the Umayyad conquests: 718–750
1.9 Conquest of Nubia: 700–1606
1.10 Incursions into southern Italy: 831–902
1.11 Conquest of Anatolia: 1060–1360
1.12 Byzantine-Ottoman Wars: 1299–1453
1.13 Further conquests: 1200–1800
1.14 Decline and collapse: 1800–1924

what evidence is there that the above battles were because of the "sword verse".

When i asked you before about the sword verse and how its being implemented, you come at me with quotes from 20th islamic figures. Then when you didnt have the answer there, then you post battles that happened a thousand of years ago.

No disrespect, but all your doing is finding verses in the koran, then finding islamic quotes by figures, then marrying the two, even though they have nothing to do with eachother.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 02, 2012, 04:24:07 PM
what evidence is there that the above battles were because of the "sword verse".

When i asked you before about the sword verse and how its being implemented, you come at me with quotes from 20th islamic figures. Then when you didnt have the answer there, then you post battles that happened a thousand of years ago.

No disrespect, but all your doing is finding verses in the koran, then finding islamic quotes by figures, then marrying the two, even though they have nothing to do with eachother.
No offence but your really need to study your roots, bro,. there are ton of historical documents of war lords chanting this verse going into battle. This verse is precisely the fuel that drove Islam into battle, any historian knows this, but I am not going to babysit you on everything i write so look it up yourself, a simple Google search will result in lots of Muslims stating that they will not rest until the world converts and reciting that verse as their motives.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 02, 2012, 04:27:36 PM
No offence but your really need to study your roots, bro,. there are ton of historical documents of war lords chanting this verse going into battle. This verse is precisely the fuel that drove Islam into battle, any historian knows this, but I am not going to babysit you on everything i write so look it up yourself, a simple Google search will result in lots of Muslims stating that they will not rest until the world converts and reciting that verse as their motives.

You have to study your roots, about how your family became criminals bro.

There are tons of historical documents on how your family massacred whole towns chanting JESUS IS MY SAVIOR when going into battle.

These verses enticing mercless rape, murder and pillaging are PRECISELY the fuel that is driving you and your family, alongside the wars in the middle-east that have cost millions upon millions of lives.

Any historian knows this even dr. google.

In the words of John smith a fellow Englishman and a Christian who came to 'save the savage native americans' with the beautiful peace loving christianity at the sword once said:

Untill their Priests and Ancients have their throats cut, there is no hope to bring them to conversion.”-John Smith

Omg throat cutting wow!

And John smith slaughtered monday, tuesday, wednsday, thursday, friday, saturday and then rested and washed his hands of blood until there was no more savage non christians


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 02, 2012, 04:29:42 PM
Did you know you have alot more in common with native americans that you slaughtered than jews? In case you didn't know Native americans believed in pantheism just like you do!

It's strange you call native americans Indians! Who are hindus! Hindus ALSO have a lot more common with you than Jews! They are pantheists too! Did you know according to hindu scriptures thou shalt not make idols? And that there is only one creator even though they have 'millions of gods' and 'god' is in everything? Pantheism!

You should haleluya brothaa


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 02, 2012, 04:36:46 PM
Lot of Christians killed in the name of Jesus, I am not denying this, at least I can admit cause I am not delusional and I don't fool myself like you do.

The difference is that they do not kill in the name of Jesus anymore, they are reformed unlike Islamic extremist who still kill in the name of Muhammad and the Koran. Still happening to this day.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 02, 2012, 05:15:55 PM
So you have to change your religion? I thought it was all from God even the rape, slaughter and pillaging?

Didn't you say the bible is the word of God, inspired by God and true?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 02, 2012, 05:23:25 PM
Did you know you have alot more in common with native americans that you slaughtered than jews? In case you didn't know Native americans believed in pantheism just like you do!

It's strange you call native americans Indians! Who are hindus! Hindus ALSO have a lot more common with you than Jews! They are pantheists too! Did you know according to hindu scriptures thou shalt not make idols? And that there is only one creator even though they have 'millions of gods' and 'god' is in everything? Pantheism!

You should haleluya brothaa
I did not call the Indians you fool, your post said "100 million Indians" I was repeating what it said


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 02, 2012, 05:25:03 PM
So you have to change your religion? I thought it was all from God even the rape, slaughter and pillaging?

Didn't you say the bible is the word of God, inspired by God and true?
God does not instruct people to rape


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 02, 2012, 05:38:33 PM
God does not instruct people to rape

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children.  "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin."  Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.
 
    The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives.  But there were not enough women for all of them.  The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel.  So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead?  There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever.  But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."
 
    Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem.  They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards.  When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife!  And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding.  Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'"  So the men of Benjamin did as they were told.  They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance.  Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them.  So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

Judges 21:10-24 NLT

lol at please be understanding WOW God's chosen people. I guess I can understand why the palestinians are so oppressed in Palestine I mean 'israel'


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 02, 2012, 05:42:33 PM
Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst.  And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.   Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB

I thought this was entirely 'inspired by God'.

I guess you don't read the bible or you lie. It's hilarious when christian islamophobes say Islam 'copied' the bible LOL... the bible and quran are NOTHING alike!


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on November 02, 2012, 07:23:20 PM
Pedro/E-kul/Pulling weight. You have some mental issues. Why are you living in Thailand if you are talking about me being a 'white boy canadian' mozzlem in Canada. Why are you in Thailand white boy? Your arguments are so flawed and riddled full of desperation and islamophobia nothing else.

Thailand was not what it is, it was thanks to the British that the Muslims lost their ability to rule themselves by what they believe not be oppressed by Thai buddhists. These Muslims are Malay and have no business with being ruled by budhists.

Burmese muslims are under oppressoin of budhists as well. I knew one muslimah who's whole family was killed and village burned, women raped, everyone executed, they tried to fight back but ultimately whoever escaped survived, from these budhist burmese.

Also a Muslim man may only marry another muslimah or a person belonging to "people of the book" (Jew and Christian) of which budhist is neither. I am sure you are nit picking examples of what is a 'good muslim' or 'bad muslim' as it suits you and not according to Islam. Although it may happen it is not suppose to happen. They even may perform rituals and beliefs that are completely foreign to Islamic teaching and even contrary to Islamic teachings such as animism. Just because you know what a 'halal' sign means it doesn't mean you know the first thing about Islam or Muslims. In fact if you hate Islam and Muslims so much why are you living in Muslim neighbourhoods as you claim. Maybe you should let your fellow neighbours know how you feel about Muhammad, Islam, etc...

Do you actually have a point Ahmed or have you forgotten what it was?

I live in Thailand because I like the lifestyle & the weather. A bit like the reason you live in Canadia and not Saudi - the lifestyle in Canadia is better because it's not run by Wahabis. You enjoy the freedoms this affords you & your wife. The weather there is better too, right?

In terms of Thailand - religion and politics does not have to mix. You have a tiny minority of uneducated terrorists in the south that want to be separate. They do not represent all muslims as is evidenced by voting patterns in the south. As I mentioned, we recently had a Muslim as PM and he'd also been head of the army. There's no oppression. It's religiously tolerant society but of course it becomes less tolerant when Muslims keep setting fire to schools.

What would happen if every religious group started shooting people because people of their religion was not running the country? You would have worldwide religious terrorism that would go on forever.

As for Myanmar - nothing at all to do with Thailand.

My neighbour still has a Buddhist wife. I have an invoice here from her Curtain company on my desk here and funnily enough her surname is "Ahmad". The fact that YOU don't like this doesn't mean her husband is any less Muslim. It just shows your general lack of tolerance.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on November 02, 2012, 08:51:11 PM
Death to infidels!

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ATyVAHq9XJs/ThTkiifhRwI/AAAAAAAAAE8/e4MqHJfVLtc/s1600/moderate_muslim.jpg)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pulling weight on November 03, 2012, 01:58:53 PM
It is pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that the Islamofascist are the problem. They still perform clitorectamies, cover their women head to toe, engage in public stonings, and in general espouse a dark age philosophy...

Having said that, I don't care how you justify your snake oil religion. You can point out bible quotes are the actions of Christians which are equally deplorable...

But the underlying fact is--you are cultural enemies. Is has not to do with religious versus. You are insidious aliens, and God willing, you will be wiped out just as you were in Spain.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 03, 2012, 06:23:21 PM
Onetimehard you said verses in the bible that advocate honor killing of children, rape, murder and pillaging of people are 'old' yet you still include them in the bible and yet you say the WHOLE bible the ENTIRE bible is the 'inspired word of God'.

Well here's some of these verses in action live:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UU-F3EScLU

By the way even Jesus was angry at the pharisees Jews for following man made religion and not God's law. According to the new testament Jesus was angry that they did not follow the punishment of death for children who are disobedient.


lol the 'muslim problem' and the 'final solution' aaaah how it all sounds so familiar to I don't know almost a hundred years ago... some guy with a funny mustache.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/08/charlie-fuqua-arkansas-candidate-death-penalty-rebellious-children_n_1948490.html


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 03, 2012, 08:02:23 PM
If you study your history, which you know very little of, you would know that every nation on the planet would kill men woman and children when they went to war, it was mandatory, if you did not your nation would be wiped off the face of the planet, read you history, wow like talking to a 4 year old.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 03, 2012, 08:33:03 PM
So you are saying God made it mandatory to rape, pillage and massacre according to the bible?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pulling weight on November 03, 2012, 08:44:33 PM
Ahmed is such a wimp that he couldn't mold a western woman so he had to join a religion that provides a framework for him to be dominate in the relationship - without actually making it happen himself. Because without that framework, he would be dominated an controlled by his woman. His stress of maintaining dominance within the dynamic is alleviated by this framework, but his wife probably sees him for the weakling he is. And his stress will be very real as the public opinion continues to shift against islamofags. This guy is purely submissive - submissive to women and submissive to a foreign culture.

A real man would not submit to a foreign culture, but work within his own to improve things.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 03, 2012, 08:48:23 PM
So you are saying God made it mandatory to rape, pillage and massacre according to the bible?
You have got be the dumbest guy here, unbelievable how much brainless shit you spew. The Bible tells people to rape? you really have to scoop to that level bro.



Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on November 03, 2012, 09:28:25 PM
Ahmed is such a wimp that he couldn't mold a western woman so he had to join a religion that provides a framework for him to be dominate in the relationship - without actually making it happen himself. Because without that framework, he would be dominated an controlled by his woman. His stress of maintaining dominance within the dynamic is alleviated by this framework, but his wife probably sees him for the weakling he is. And his stress will be very real as the public opinion continues to shift against islamofags. This guy is purely submissive - submissive to women and submissive to a foreign culture.

A real man would not submit to a foreign culture, but work within his own to improve things.
HA HA, A_ahmed exposed for the little man he is!  He won't be happy, Men from other cultures see Islam as a group of insecure men desperate to control women sexuality since it threatens their weak sense of masculinity and their fear of the power women's sexuality holds over them.  HA HA A-ahmed is a beta man, the majority of western women would display more alpha qualities than a muslim man.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on November 03, 2012, 09:51:05 PM
You have got be the dumbest guy here, unbelievable how much brainless shit you spew. The Bible tells people to rape? you really have to scoop to that level bro.



If you didn't notice, Ahmed lost the plot entirely a week or so back.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on November 03, 2012, 09:54:46 PM
If you didn't notice, Ahmed lost the plot entirely a week or so back.
A-ahmed is a ticking time bomb.  Rumor has it he is planning some terrorist action, just as a precaution the Candian authorities should be alerted, or Ron at the very least,  prevention is better than cure.   


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 04, 2012, 10:53:42 AM
You have got be the dumbest guy here, unbelievable how much brainless shit you spew. The Bible tells people to rape? you really have to scoop to that level bro.



well that's  what the verses say  ::)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 04, 2012, 10:56:05 AM
A-ahmed is a ticking time bomb.  Rumor has it he is planning some terrorist action, just as a precaution the Candian authorities should be alerted, or Ron at the very least,  prevention is better than cure.   

So "pedro/e-kul/pulling weight" and other gimmicks u may be hiding under, did u move to Thailand because of how your father abused you as a child? How did that affect you? Or diid you move to Thailand because you killed someone or abused someone in north america?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 04, 2012, 10:56:13 AM
well that's  what the verses say  ::)
What verse are you talking about? No verse in any religious text says to rape dumbass.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 04, 2012, 11:00:54 AM
So "pedro/e-kul/pulling weight" and other gimmicks u may be hiding under, did u move to Thailand because of how your father abused you as a child? How did that affect you? Or diid you move to Thailand because you killed someone or abused someone in north america?
pedro is not e-kul, I have beefed e-kul lots of times on here. I was his primary getbig enemy  ;D , we do not beef anymore, at least not in a while but trust me I do not believe he is pedro, your judgement stinks.

BTW another shit post, you said nothing just spewing childish remarks as usual.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 04, 2012, 11:10:24 AM
What verse are you talking about? No verse in any religious text says to rape dumbass.

in the bible it does actually

There are SO MANY it is like wow... i didn't even get to the pornography of the bible, clearly "god's word"

They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men.  All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle.  They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword.  Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder.  They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived.  After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.
 
    Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp.  But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle.  "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded.  "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor.  They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people.  Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man.  Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

(Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 04, 2012, 11:11:49 AM
Here's some pornography from the bible excellent for children's stories. That's why I guess they didn't teach us this in sunday school even though children's bibles with illlustrations have it  :D

(http://www.landoverbaptist.org/0111donkeyquestion.jpg)

Wild asses lol, such wonderful language!


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on November 04, 2012, 11:15:37 AM
pedro is not e-kul, I have beefed e-kul lots of times on here. I was his primary getbig enemy  ;D , we do not beef anymore, at least not in a while but trust me I do not believe he is pedro, your judgement stinks.

BTW another shit post, you said nothing just spewing childish remarks as usual.
a-ahmed is getting paranoid, I suppose it's easier psychologically to pretend one person has created many aliases to attack you, rather than face the realisation, that many people all hold you with the same contempt.  And to tell the truth, I don't really remember the people I beef with on here unless it becomes an ongoing theme, if they annoy me enough I remember their name, I honestly respond to comments and rarely look at the name of who's posted it, the only people I recall having ongoing animosity with was Chaos, Groink and he has left now, but Hank Wood was a dick!


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 04, 2012, 11:22:55 AM
in the bible it does actually

There are SO MANY it is like wow... i didn't even get to the pornography of the bible, clearly "god's word"

They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men.  All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle.  They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword.  Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder.  They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived.  After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.
 
    Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp.  But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle.  "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded.  "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor.  They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people.  Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man.  Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

(Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)
Still waiting for the verse that says rape you ignorant fraud that makes up shit about everything, you talk so much shit bro, why are you scooping to such a scum level and talking about Pedro and Ekul's up bringing and them being abused and shit, you don't even know them you disrespectful punk, you are disgracing Islam with such atrocious behaviour, get a life bro why talk about other peoples family members cause you are getting slaughtered to oblivion. I think you owe them both an apology as the righteous man.

Pathetic, you are all show, you say pbut and then you insult and disrespect people's family members? all for show Mr Holy man who  gives derogatory comments in return of a loss argument, I feel sorry for you.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 04, 2012, 12:25:45 PM
Still waiting for the verse that says rape you ignorant fraud that makes up shit about everything, you talk so much shit bro, why are you scooping to such a scum level and talking about Pedro and Ekul's up bringing and them being abused and shit, you don't even know them you disrespectful punk, you are disgracing Islam with such atrocious behaviour, get a life bro why talk about other peoples family members cause you are getting slaughtered to oblivion. I think you owe them both an apology as the righteous man.

Pathetic, you are all show, you say pbut and then you insult and disrespect people's family members? all for show Mr Holy man who  gives derogatory comments in return of a loss argument, I feel sorry for you.

lol 1. there's one verse. What did they do, they killed women and children kept the virgins and what did they to do them? Give them candy? I already posted a previous verse about raping women as well but you said OH because it was babylon so that gives it complete legitimacy  ::)

2. Respect? HAHA! I think respect ended a long time ago. Look at these tools, e-kul has a signature that slides across screen calling prophet Muhammad (pbuh) gay. Pulling weight similar. Pedro jihad blabla.

You talking about wild asses (what other intention do you have but to insult?)

Not to mention e-kul, pedro and pulling weight slandering our faith, muslims left and right. Respect are you kidding?

As far as 'mentioning family' I was trying to showcase how idiotic you sound.

"It must be true its ALL FACTS!, verified by millions!" "millions have died". I did the same thing to you talking out of my ass like you did just to demonstrate how intellectually dishonest it appears. You are not getting the point that I get :)

You said in your original post "if you cant handle it too bad", "you opened a can of whoop ass" well looks like you can't handle the facts yourself so you lie.

You tried so many different ways to lie and slander, its hilarious. So here I am finally showcasing to you what the bible is about that you wouldn't want people to know and you are burning mad :)

"It's not rape, its just taking virgin women" LOL!

The bible is filled with outright pornography, massacres, murders, rape and pillaging. You are the one that opened this can of whoop ass brotha.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 04, 2012, 12:26:17 PM
And I quote you:

Quote
IF YOU CAN NOT TAKE IT, DO NOT DISH IT.

Yes you made it all caps :)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 04, 2012, 12:27:06 PM
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace.  If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor.  But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town.  When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town.  But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder.  You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
 


 If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

Wow marry the rapist! And the woman cannot divorce from him EVER! WOW!!!!


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pulling weight on November 04, 2012, 12:34:44 PM
a-ahmed is getting paranoid, I suppose it's easier psychologically to pretend one person has created many aliases to attack you, rather than face the realisation, that many people all hold you with the same contempt.  And to tell the truth, I don't really remember the people I beef with on here unless it becomes an ongoing theme, if they annoy me enough I remember their name, I honestly respond to comments and rarely look at the name of who's posted it, the only people I recall having ongoing animosity with was Chaos, Groink and he has left now, but Hank Wood was a dick!

Yes, many people hate the pedophile worshippers with dirty beards! the arrogance of pedophile worshippers, immigrating to other countries and trying to change the culture from within--through outright terrorism or the conversion of beta males like betamed, that need a pre existing framework in which they can dominate a female!


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 04, 2012, 01:37:36 PM
lol predictable that i just laugh at you all  ;D

Respect is something that is earned not given freely especially with the level of islamophiba and hatred on this forum. The abuse that has been dished out left and right and reaffirmed over and over again, it's  laughable you expect to be respected back after that. I think I showed plenty of patience with dealing with all the ridicule of Islam, and then some.

You'll never find a Muslim insulting Jesus (pbuh) and Muslims will try to be as tolerant as possible of christians trying to show them where they error. But when you resort to being on a low level of other islamophobes desperately trying every tactic, don't cry when you are exposed for what you are and the same is done to you.

I would never talk about verses of rape, pillaging, massacres, murder and burning of villages, etc... in the bible. I will never talk about killing and abuse of women in the bible. I will never talk about rape of infants in the bible, etc... Nor of the pornographic imagery of the bible of giant penises, etc... unless you really resort to be an ignorant by trying to distort and misrepresent verses in the qur'an like an islamophobe. Or if you try to make these claims about the qur'an i will in return showcase you that you are a liar and that the bible is in fact filled with these things whether you are aware or unaware.

You even admit you are wrong but then somehow insist on making outrageous claims about the verses in the qur'an. Your intentions have been exposed.

For everything you accuse Muslims of (which is twisted half truths, misinformation, outright lies, fraud, etc..) be prepared for factual evidence against you from your own scriptures.

Muslims are humans, after all we can error, but our religion is perfect even if you detest it. We do not differ in the fundementals of who God is, if a muslim does crimes he is a crminal, that does not mean islam goes on trial. However when the bible is shown to promote violence, murder, rape, pillaging, etc... you get angry for being exposed.

You have funny ways of explaining or excusing these verses when they outright call for cold blooded murder and rape.

All the verses of fighting in the qur'an refer to battles and defending Muslims from the onslaught of others. All the verses always contain before or after verses that mention that God does not like transgressors, that if peace is offered accept peace, chose peace, avoid fighting if possible, etc... The same cannot be said about the bible which calls for all out merciless murder and rape. Not even children are spared.

Respect is a two way road.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 04, 2012, 01:55:28 PM
Bukhari Volume 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 257.
 
Narrated By 'Abdullah : During some of the Ghazawat of the Prophet a woman was found killed. Allah's Apostle disapproved the killing of women and children.
 
Bukhari Volume 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 258.
 
Narrated By Ibn 'Umar : During some of the Ghazawat of Allah's Apostle a woman was found killed, so Allah's Apostle forbade the killing of women and children.

In contrast to:

1 Samuel 15:2,3
 
2 This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt.3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy [a] everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' "

Numbers 31:17,18
 
17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
 

The two are not comparable, the last of which basically says take virgins for yourself and murder women who were married or had sex. Quite interesting. Not even the lives of infants are spared!


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pulling weight on November 04, 2012, 02:05:03 PM
Lol at the pedo worshipper beta male demonstrating his fanaticism with novel length meltdowns day after day. How does he find time to pray towards Mecca? This guy is one step away from strapping a bomb to his chest!


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on November 04, 2012, 05:03:14 PM
So "pedro/e-kul/pulling weight" and other gimmicks u may be hiding under, did u move to Thailand because of how your father abused you as a child? How did that affect you? Or diid you move to Thailand because you killed someone or abused someone in north america?

Actually, I moved here because I couldn't stand working in Japan any longer. I came here to oversee an ERP implementation in a Japanese Hard Disk Factory. Once here, I decided that going back to Japan would be too stressful and that my time there was done.

In terms of North America, I did live in Knoxville for a while but I'm not American.

Anyway - how's this line of questioning going for you?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 04, 2012, 05:45:51 PM
lmao, meltdown, another 50 paragraphs that no one will read :D


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 04, 2012, 08:45:32 PM
No just quoting bible verses about rape, murder, pillaging killing of women and children and taking of virgin women.

A reality check for onetimehard when trying to throw dirt at muslims and islam! Especially when knowing the verses of the qur'an don't mean what you initially tried to portray them as :)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: garebear on November 04, 2012, 09:00:22 PM
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Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 04, 2012, 09:25:36 PM
(http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/thisismyim128509666316100368.jpg)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 04, 2012, 09:30:28 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20054737

Republican Senate hopeful Richard Mourdock in rape row

no wonder he believes this when the bible says things like this:

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.
(Deuteronomy 22:23-24)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pedro01 on November 04, 2012, 11:59:34 PM
Just read in the paper the October summary of deaths at the hands of Muslim Seperatists in Southern Thailand.

65 deaths - shot/blow up of which....

35 were Muslims
30 were Buddhists

I am sure there's some rationale behind this in Ahmeds view that these seperatists are oppressed Muslims.

To me, it seems it is the seperatists that are oppressing both Muslims & Non-Muslims, or am I missing something here?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pulling weight on November 05, 2012, 01:12:01 PM
Gaymed is right about one thing.
Europeans ARE savage. They do savagry better than anyone. Just imagine when the breiviks start multiplying..
Won't be good for the Ahmed's


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 05, 2012, 01:27:44 PM
Gaymed is right about one thing.
Europeans ARE savage. They do savagry better than anyone. Just imagine when the breiviks start multiplying..
Won't be good for the Ahmed's
True, I suppose, lol at Ahmed; he says -they are not Semetic, they are European- lmao earth to Ahmed, Europeans are semetic ding dong.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Internet Tough Guy on November 05, 2012, 02:02:58 PM
Gaymed is right about one thing.
Europeans ARE savage. They do savagry better than anyone. Just imagine when the breiviks start multiplying..
Won't be good for the Ahmed's

Europeans WERE savages before the men all got neutered.  Now if you try to kill a European and fail, he will apologize for having survived.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Skeletor on November 05, 2012, 02:10:17 PM
True, I suppose, lol at Ahmed; he says -they are not Semetic, they are European- lmao earth to Ahmed, Europeans are semetic ding dong.

I assume you mean Semitic? Care to elaborate?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 05, 2012, 02:37:16 PM
I assume you mean Semitic? Care to elaborate?

You mean care to give you a history lesson? No not in the mood, maybe tomorrow.

 OK fine  :-\


The term Semitic is actually a Biblical term, it was used in the earlier days (3000 years ago to distinguish 1 of 3 groups of people, most races that are classified by this term today to not acknowledge it by its Biblical origins but just classify the races or tribes under their original classification for example Israelis are classified in today's terms as Semitic, based on the classification that the Romans issued to them.

Another example is Ethiopia, they are classified under Hamitic based on the classification the Romans gave them. The original classification given was taken on account Of Noah's 3 sons, Shem Ham and Japheth, any tribe that where descendants of Shem where considered Semitic based on the Biblical genealogy, so based on this genealogy and earlier classification most European Nations fall under the Semitic classification, you follow?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Skeletor on November 05, 2012, 02:54:33 PM
You mean care to give you a history lesson? No not in the mood, maybe tomorrow.

 OK fine  :-\


The term Semitic is actually a Biblical term, it was used in the earlier days (3000 years ago to distinguish 1 of 3 groups of people, most races that are classified by this term today to not acknowledge it by its Biblical origins but just classify the races or tribes under their original classification for example Israelis are classified in today's terms as Semitic, based on the classification that the Romans issued to them.

Another example is Ethiopia, they are classified under Hamitic based on the classification the Romans gave them. The original classification given was taken on account Of Noah's 3 sons, Shem Ham and Japheth, any tribe that where descendants of Shem where considered Semitic based on the Biblical genealogy, so based on this genealogy and earlier classification most European Nations fall under the Semitic classification, you follow?

So not from a historical point of view but from the Bible's point of view all Europeans are Semitic?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 05, 2012, 11:31:43 PM
So not from a historical point of view but from the Bible's point of view all Europeans are Semitic?

No, not exactly, consider the process a 2 step process. All the classifications from the Roman days where precisely from the Biblical genealogy, the Romans where the first to label tribes under these classifications (Semitic, Hamitic, and Japhitic) Now the terms where very popular through the middle ages from the Byzantium Empire to the French revolution, many nations where still using these term even in the 20th century, example the Russians coined the term - Japhetic theory- based on the Roman classification of the Scythian (ancient Russians) as a Japhitic tribe.

Now the modern scholars do not like to associate themselves with any Biblical text or always try to camouflage Biblical terms for political reasons, example- The term BC was changed to BCE so it would no longer be associated with the Bible. So for these reasons historians claim any classifications of Semitic tribes come from Roman classifications and not the Biblical genealogy but what difference does it make if the Romans in fact used Biblical genealogy to come up with the classifications of all the tribes back then.

So basically from a historical point of view most European nations are Semitic and also from a Biblical point of view most European nations are Semitic as well.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Skeletor on November 06, 2012, 12:11:07 AM
No, not exactly, consider the process a 2 step process. All the classifications from the Roman days where precisely from the Biblical genealogy, the Romans where the first to label tribes under these classifications (Semitic, Hamitic, and Japhitic) Now the terms where very popular through the middle ages from the Byzantium Empire to the French revolution, many nations where still using these term even in the 20th century, example the Russians coined the term - Japhetic theory- based on the Roman classification of the Scythian (ancient Russians) as a Japhitic tribe.

Now the modern scholars do not like to associate themselves with any Biblical text or always try to camouflage Biblical terms for political reasons, example- The term BC was changed to BCE so it would no longer be associated with the Bible. So for these reasons historians claim any classifications of Semitic tribes come from Roman classifications and not the Biblical genealogy but what difference does it make if the Romans in fact used Biblical genealogy to come up with the classifications of all the tribes back then.

So basically from a historical point of view most European nations are Semitic and also from a Biblical point of view most European nations are Semitic as well.

Which time line are the "Roman days" you mention?
What did the Romans consider themselves?
I think you are too confined in biblical literalism and assume that the genealogies from the book of Genesis are unquestionably true and historically accurate.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 06, 2012, 12:25:57 AM
Which time line are the "Roman days" you mention?
What did the Romans consider themselves?
I think you are too confined in biblical literalism and assume that the genealogies from the book of Genesis are unquestionably true and historically accurate.
What are you talking about? you asked a question and I answered. The term Semitism is the most unknown term on the planet, everyone thinks it means people from the middle east others feel it means Jews, it gets thrown around with 50 different meanings and only someone who has his nose in the history books knows exactly what it means and how it has been used.

 It makes no difference if the genealogy in the Bible is true or not, it makes no difference if it is literal or not, that is what is used to classify nations under these 3 terms, whether its a real genealogy or a fake.

The Roman Empire began at the death of Julius Caesar and was the most powerful nation for nearly 500 years and lasted for over 14 centuries, what? you do not know this?  ??? :-[   The Romans where Semitic of course.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on November 06, 2012, 04:24:06 AM
[blah blah blah] The Romans where Semitic of course.

Of course! ::)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: garebear on November 06, 2012, 07:25:58 AM
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Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 06, 2012, 09:38:51 AM
Of course! ::)
What are you rolling your eyes at?, did I miss something?   ???


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Skeletor on November 06, 2012, 09:55:40 AM
What are you talking about? you asked a question and I answered. The term Semitism is the most unknown term on the planet, everyone thinks it means people from the middle east others feel it means Jews, it gets thrown around with 50 different meanings and only someone who has his nose in the history books knows exactly what it means and how it has been used.

 It makes no difference if the genealogy in the Bible is true or not, it makes no difference if it is literal or not, that is what is used to classify nations under these 3 terms, whether its a real genealogy or a fake.

The Roman Empire began at the death of Julius Caesar and was the most powerful nation for nearly 500 years and lasted for over 14 centuries, what? you do not know this?  ??? :-[   The Romans where Semitic of course.

I'll eschew the sarcasm, despite the word twisting: you mentioned "roman days", a vague term as it could mean anything from around 735 BC to 1453 AD.
Aside from the Bible, can you provide any historical evidence showing the Romans as a whole were Semitic? Did they think of themselves as Semitic?
Were the Celts Semitic? Were the Greeks Semitic? Were the Iceni Semitic?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 06, 2012, 10:41:06 AM
I'll eschew the sarcasm, despite the word twisting: you mentioned "roman days", a vague term as it could mean anything from around 735 BC to 1453 AD.
Aside from the Bible, can you provide any historical evidence showing the Romans as a whole were Semitic? Did they think of themselves as Semitic?
Were the Celts Semitic? Were the Greeks Semitic? Were the Iceni Semitic?

Nope "Roman days" are viewed as a time period from Augustus to Constantine by historians, ask any professor. Sorry

Is everything I am saying to you going in one ear and out the other, how can I provide evidence outside the Bible that the Romans where Semitic when the very term Semitic is derived from Shem, a main character in the Bible, the very definition depends on the Bible, woooooooooooooooooooosh

Yes the Greeks where Semitic, the Celts where as well. The Germans where considered Japhitic though. The term Nazi is derived from the same concept. You have Japheth who had a son named Gomer and he had a son named Ashkenaz who is believed throughout history to be the father of all the German people, notice the last 3 letters Nazi, this is where the word Nazi comes from, funny how everything leads to the Bible, every historical term in one way or another is connected to the Biblical Narrative.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 06, 2012, 10:49:37 AM
(http://www.primaryresourcecentre.com/siteimages/6/6/6/66686/685271/f_1381649.jpg)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Skeletor on November 06, 2012, 11:04:23 AM
Nope "Roman days" are viewed as a time period from Augustus to Constantine by historians, ask any professor. Sorry

Is everything I am saying to you going in one ear and out the other, how can I provide evidence outside the Bible that the Romans where Semitic when the very term Semitic is derived from Shem, a main character in the Bible, the very definition depends on the Bible, woooooooooooooooooooosh

Yes the Greeks where Semitic, the Celts where as well. The Germans where considered Japhitic though. The term Nazi is derived from the same concept. You have Japheth who had a son named Gomer and he had a son named Ashkenaz who is believed throughout history to be the father of all the German people, notice the last 3 letters Nazi, this is where the word Nazi comes from, funny how everything leads to the Bible, every historical term in one way or another is connected to the Biblical Narrative.

You are now trying to say you implied the Roman Empire but there are no specific "roman days" unless you mean any time that Roman civilization was established. Can you present any evidence that "Roman days" means exactly from the reign of Augustus to Constantine (who you again don't specify if it was Constantine I-The Great or Palaiologos who fell with Constantinopole).
You keep repeating things like "ask a history professor" or "how do you not know" but yet you do not produce evidence, outside of course of your own self evident misconceptions or blind faith in the Bible.

History cannot be based solely on the Bible but in some people's minds it  can obviously.

I thought the term Nazi was coined after an abbreviation of Nationalsozialistische from the full title of Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. But hey, there's a word in the Bible that sounds like it.. Before I forget, the city of Potsdam was clearly founded by Adam as it ends in -dam. And Amsterdam too.. ::)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Skeletor on November 06, 2012, 11:05:50 AM
(http://www.primaryresourcecentre.com/siteimages/6/6/6/66686/685271/f_1381649.jpg)

Don't forget the usual "you're" and "your".


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 06, 2012, 11:17:41 AM
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You have made thousands of the same mistakes bro, so don't flatter yourself, this is getbig, I wright the post in 30 seconds. I am not in English class


You are now trying to say you implied the Roman Empire but there are no specific "roman days" unless you mean any time that Roman civilization was established. Can you present any evidence that "Roman days" means exactly from the reign of Augustus to Constantine (who you again don't specify if it was Constantine I-The Great or Palaiologos who fell with Constantinopole).
You keep repeating things like "ask a history professor" or "how do you not know" but yet you do not produce evidence, outside of course of your own self evident misconceptions or blind faith in the Bible.

History cannot be based solely on the Bible but in some people's minds it  can obviously.

I thought the term Nazi was coined after an abbreviation of Nationalsozialistische from the full title of Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. But hey, there's a word in the Bible that sounds like it.. Before I forget, the city of Potsdam was clearly founded by Adam as it ends in -dam. And Amsterdam too.. ::)

You are dumb bro, historians say Romans days as the height of the Empire, it was not even an Empire before Augustus. Play dumb all you want but it is equivalent to suggesting D-bol does not necessarily stand for Dianabol

You need to do some more research and I will not babysit you and give you lessons here, don't have time for stubborn people and have no patients with people who do not even know the basics in history, pardon my ignorance  8)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 06, 2012, 11:41:51 AM
I thought the term Nazi was coined after an abbreviation of Nationalsozialistische from the full title of Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. But hey, there's a word in the Bible that sounds like it.. Before I forget, the city of Potsdam was clearly founded by Adam as it ends in -dam. And Amsterdam too..

WOW this is a complete joke, I almost think your are just messing with me, but if your not this is borderline embarrassing bro;...

"Ashkanaz" means "German" in Yiddish and "Askanazi" is a term coined by the Germans for all the German Jewish population, an abbr. of course but why use those particular 4 letters, there is no pattern, use your head bro, they used the first 2 letters in the first word and the 2 random letters in the second word

Nationalsozialistische OK buddy picking those 4 letter really makes a lot of sense  ::), they picked those 4 letters for a reason.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Skeletor on November 06, 2012, 12:05:52 PM
You are making a fool of yourself. You have yet to provide any evidence outside the Bible for what I asked.
You mention vague terms you do not/cannot elaborate and later claim you meant something different and specific.
Then you start the usual tirade about "ask any history professor", "any professor knows", "I will not give lessons here" (without substantiating the claims of course) but you still base your weak arguments on the Bible, you present no historical evidence for your vague claims.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 06, 2012, 12:13:19 PM
You are making a fool of yourself. You have yet to provide any evidence outside the Bible for what I asked.
You mention vague terms you do not/cannot elaborate and later claim you meant something different and specific.
Then you start the usual tirade about "ask any history professor", "any professor knows", "I will not give lessons here" (without substantiating the claims of course) but you still base your weak arguments on the Bible, you present no historical evidence for your vague claims.

Bro I don't have dig up proof to you, who are you to me? if you do not know something that's not my problem, it is annoying trying to prove to little kids that 5+5 = 10, plain stupid, you asked questions, I answered, then you say prove it, I do not care to prove something to you, I answered you to be polite not start a stupid debate with you.

Ashkenazi, means German and German speaking.
Ashkenaz was the great grandson of Noah, through
Japheth. (Gen. 10:3)

Get over it.^^^ You don't accept this then don't, I don't care and why would I try to prove something when a simple google search will back up what I am saying.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Skeletor on November 06, 2012, 01:04:37 PM
Bro I don't have dig up proof to you, who are you to me?

You just said it. Based on your claims I could be your brother since we're all children of Noah's sons, who came from Seth, who came from Adam and Eve ::)

if you do not know something that's not my problem, it is annoying trying to prove to little kids that 5+5 = 10, plain stupid, you asked questions, I answered, then you say prove it, I do not care to prove something to you, I answered you to be polite not start a stupid debate with you.

Usually when you provide an answer you have to substantiate it, that's how it is done in the civilized world. Perhaps in other lands or times some people just accepted it as "god's will" and doubters were executed..
You keep throwing words around but not provide any evidence for your claims, outside the Bible. Just imagine someone arguing that Jesus was a homosexual.

Ashkenazi, means German and German speaking.
Ashkenaz was the great grandson of Noah, through
Japheth. (Gen. 10:3)

Get over it.^^^ You don't accept this then don't, I don't care and why would I try to prove something when a simple google search will back up what I am saying.

You keep mentioning this but have provided no evidence as to how it is connected. But you said you do not care to prove things.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 06, 2012, 01:16:44 PM
lol this thread is full of entertainment, islamophobes, 'scholars' and 'historians' :D

Coming from a scholar that says Mozzzleemzs come from 'wild asses'  ;D


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 06, 2012, 01:26:47 PM
You just said it. Based on your claims I could be your brother since we're all children of Noah's sons, who came from Seth, who came from Adam and Eve ::)

Usually when you provide an answer you have to substantiate it, that's how it is done in the civilized world. Perhaps in other lands or times some people just accepted it as "god's will" and doubters were executed..
You keep throwing words around but not provide any evidence for your claims, outside the Bible. Just imagine someone arguing that Jesus was a homosexual.

You keep mentioning this but have provided no evidence as to how it is connected. But you said you do not care to prove things.
Bro Ahmed is right this thread has become a complete joke, you asked a question and I gave you an answer, like or not, then you asked for proof, well I am not trying to be dragged off topic here first of all, second, I am not going to invest time into someting that is already established bro,

Nazi coming from Ashkanaz is taught in Universities by professors with PHd, why would I try and prove that to you, like trying to give you proof that it is 2012, everyone already knows this. The Nazi's themselves knew this, it is not some hiddin secret, it's as common as the A in USA standing for America, it is so stupid that we are even discussing this, you are the one making a fool out of yourself trying to dragg me into your dumb debate when you have yet to scratch the surface of basic historical knowledge. If you do not know this basic matter here I am wasting my time, how else do you want me to put it.

lol this thread is full of entertainment, islamophobes, 'scholars' and 'historians' :D

Coming from a scholar that says Mozzzleemzs come from 'wild asses'  ;D
I actually agree that the thread is off topic.

But in all seriousness, wow that verse in the Bible really bugs you, No?


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 06, 2012, 01:38:43 PM
Sorry to burst your bubble but nazi stands for national socialist party. Nationalsozialismus


lol at 'everyone knows that', 'phds know that'.

That's exactly how you talk about when talking about your made up beliefs about islam and 'millions of ppl' etc...

Oh boy...

It's the same with your pantheistic conclusions about God ... and God becoming satan if he wanted to, and a video game character, a tree, etc... you are trying to make yourself sound like its 'common-sense' and 'fact' lol... but its just mixed up beliefs you yourself made up and believe...

You see the reason in a few pages back I mentioned 'your family' I was being sarcastic, trying to demonstrate how you talk and how stupid it sounds... if I took the same undertone of speech but say.. talked about your family and kept saying how 'real' it all is. None of it is, obviously and that was my point but you didn't get it.

It's just foolishness...


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 06, 2012, 01:42:41 PM
Sorry to burst your bubble but nazi stands for national socialist party


lol at 'everyone knows that', 'phds know that'.

That's exactly how you talk about when talking about your made up beliefs about islam and 'millions of ppl' etc...

Oh boy...

It's the same with your pantheistic conclusions about God ... and God becoming satan if he wanted to, and a video game character, a tree, etc... you are trying to make yourself sound like its 'common-sense' and 'fact' lol... but its just mixed up beliefs you yourself made up and believe...
No shit sherlock, of course it stand for that, they used 4 letters, but they could have used any 4 letters stupid, they chose those 4 on purpose cause Ahkenaz means "German" and yes my professor at Western University taught me that stupid.


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 06, 2012, 01:45:51 PM
My university teacher thought me that my dad can beat up your dad  ;D


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 06, 2012, 01:47:54 PM
1930, from Ger. Nazi, abbreviation of Ger. pronunciation of Nationalsozialist (based on earlier Ger. sozi, popular abbreviaton of "socialist"), from Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei "National Socialist German Workers' Party," led by Hitler from 1920. The 24th edition of Etymologisches Wörterbuch der deutschen Sprache (2002) says the word Nazi was favored in southern Germany (supposedly from c.1924) among opponents of National Socialism because the nickname Nazi (from the masc. proper name Ignatz, Ger. form of Ignatius) was used colloquially to mean "a foolish person, clumsy or awkward person." Ignatz was a popular name in Catholic Austria, and according to one source in WWI Nazi was a generic name in the German Empire for the soldiers of Austria-Hungary. An older use of Nazi for national-sozial is attested in Ger. from 1903, but EWdS does not think it contributed to the word as applied to Hitler and his followers. The NSDAP for a time attempted to adopt the Nazi designation as what the Germans call a "despite-word," but they gave this up, and the NSDAP is said to have generally avoided the term. Before 1930, party members had been called in Eng. National Socialists, which dates from 1923. The use of Nazi Germany, Nazi regime, etc., was popularized by German exiles abroad. From them, it spread into other languages, and eventually brought back to Germany, after the war. In the USSR, the terms national socialist and Nazi were said to have been forbidden after 1932, presumably to avoid any taint to the good word socialist. Soviet literature refers to fascists.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?l=n&p=2


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 06, 2012, 01:49:09 PM
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0055/1372/products/dad_large.jpg?14)




 ;D


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 06, 2012, 01:53:38 PM
My university teacher thought me that my dad can beat up your dad  ;D
what does 'thought me' mean ,  hahahah lol remember the post you wrote about 'where'

Oh the irony .  lmao  ;D


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: a_ahmed on November 06, 2012, 01:59:08 PM
My dad can still beat up your dad  8)

Automatic win for me


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 06, 2012, 02:01:13 PM
My dad can still beat up your dad  8)

Automatic win for me
I hope so, my dad is 66  :P


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: avxo on November 06, 2012, 05:41:53 PM
Bro I don't have dig up proof to you, who are you to me? if you do not know something that's not my problem, it is annoying trying to prove to little kids that 5+5 = 10, plain stupid, you asked questions, I answered, then you say prove it, I do not care to prove something to you, I answered you to be polite not start a stupid debate with you.

Right... why dig up proof to support assertions you make. Who is that guy daring to ask you to substantiate the nonsense you spout - especially when you don't want to start a debate, but just to spout the nonsense!


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: Radical Plato on November 06, 2012, 07:07:13 PM
My university teacher thought me that my dad can beat up your dad  ;D
They taught me that our army could blow Muslims back into whatever hell-hole they crawled out of!

(http://thewe.cc/thewei/_/images_4/us_terror_state__/b-1b_dropping_m_%2082_bombs.jpe)
(http://ourfamilybiblestudy.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/angry_muslims.jpg)


Title: Re: Islamic insecurities ?
Post by: pulling weight on November 06, 2012, 10:32:17 PM
They taught me that our army could blow Muslims back into whatever hell-hole they crawled out of!

(http://thewe.cc/thewei/_/images_4/us_terror_state__/b-1b_dropping_m_%2082_bombs.jpe)
(http://ourfamilybiblestudy.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/angry_muslims.jpg)

Haha