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Somali pirate.
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Chin of peace
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Chin of peace
ears of war
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Only person alive with worse calves than Wolf (the one on the right, the one on the left has much better calves).
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It will eventually be proven that Obama was not born in the US. Just a matter of when, really.
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Chiny Chiny bang bang
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It will eventually be proven that Obama was not born in the US. Just a matter of when, really.
Let me guess:
911 was done by the white house
Aliens built the pyramids
The cubans killed Kennedy
Abraham Lincoln was a tranvestite
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Socialist-Muzzie plundering Pirate of Peace
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He killed Osama
deal with it
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Let me guess:
911 was done by the white house
Aliens built the pyramids
The cubans killed Kennedy
Abraham Lincoln was a tranvestite
It's odd how Obama won't come forth with his original passport. For a cool $5 mill, you'd think that would be money in the bank. Hmmm.
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It will eventually be proven that Obama was not born in the US. Just a matter of when, really.
explain to me why his mother would leave Hawaii after his conception?
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It will eventually be proven that Obama was not born in the US. Just a matter of when, really.
It will probably be proven(he'll plea ignorant about it) and then "they" will use it as precedent to eliminate the natural born citizen clause. They know what there doing. Then that opens the door for guys like Swami the Cocksmith to run for President. By then, Mexicans will make up the majority in America anyway. All the smart ones will have hightailed it out of there.
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BREAKING NEWS: Donald Trump just released this photo:
Old Bobby Sly gets around, doesn't he? :D
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Mudshark
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He killed Osama
deal with it
no you chest implants homo, Navy ST6 SEALs killed Osama Bin Laden, all Obama did was sit on his ass and watch.
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It's odd how Obama won't come forth with his original passport. For a cool $5 mill, you'd think that would be money in the bank. Hmmm.
you are so naive is not even funny...it doesn't matter what documents Obama gives to Trump, he will never be satisfied
Right now Trump is the attention whore in the corner screaming "look at me, look at me". If you make the mistake of looking at him the next time he will just scream louder until you pay him attention.
Rule #1: don't feel the troll.
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Somali pirate.
lol first mom is a mudshark
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People are not very inquisitive. When Obama released his birth certificate I know personally of a few people that merely heard this mentioned over the radio / tv and that was enough to convince them. They never even looked at the document.
I downloaded it from the government site and still have the file. It is the most artificial forgery you can imagine. I know quite a bit about computers and what they released is a joke. The lame explanation of it being processed by OCR software is bullshit because the document as published by the government which I downloaded is not text searchable. A document processed by OCR software becomes searchable like a Word document.
Of course, they (liars) know a few basic truths. Most people are not very inquisitive and if you tell a really big lie it is easier to convince these people. By repeating the lie it becomes fact and truthful in the minds of the morons.
Obama is a fraud in the same way the Federal Reserve is a fraud.
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It's odd how Obama won't come forth with his original passport. For a cool $5 mill, you'd think that would be money in the bank. Hmmm.
Why would Obama play silly games with Trump, hes a orange coloured man with a ridiculous wig. ::) Obama is a big guy too big to respond
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It's odd how Obama won't come forth with his original passport. For a cool $5 mill, you'd think that would be money in the bank. Hmmm.
once he is out of office that will be chump change compared to the payoff he will get from his handlers
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People are not very inquisitive. When Obama released his birth certificate I know personally of a few people that merely heard this mentioned over the radio / tv and that was enough to convince them. They never even looked at the document.
I downloaded it from the government site and still have the file. It is the most artificial forgery you can imagine. I know quite a bit about computers and what they released is a joke. The lame explanation of it being processed by OCR software is bullshit because the document as published by the government which I downloaded is not text searchable. A document processed by OCR software becomes searchable like a Word document.
Of course, they (liars) know a few basic truths. Most people are not very inquisitive and if you tell a really big lie it is easier to convince these people. By repeating the lie it becomes fact and truthful in the minds of the morons.
Obama is a fraud in the same way the Federal Reserve is a fraud.
Just today I was informing some liberal twat that the 2.0% GDP increase we saw was due to massive government spending (fact) and he just flat out denied it saying it was impossible even though I showed him the report and broke down the simple math for him. He didn't want to believe it.
Most people will believe what they want even when shown factual evidence that proves otherwise.
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It will eventually be proven that Obama was not born in the US. Just a matter of when, really.
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I downloaded it from the government site and still have the file. It is the most artificial forgery you can imagine.
You'd imagine that the State of Hawaii would legally pursue the release of a false document purporting to be from the State in violation of State laws...
I know quite a bit about computers and what they released is a joke.
Yes, you very clearly know "quite a bit about computers." I mean, shit, look at you, you're posting on the interwebs using some sort of electric typewriter on an acoustically-coupled modem! Those actual experts who say (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert-says-obamas-birth-certificate-legit/) this isn't an issue? They don't know jackshit. You're super-knowledgeable on this stuff. Image processing is your bread and butter. Why, you don't even bother actually rendering images. You look at the raw bytes and visualize them in your head.
The lame explanation of it being processed by OCR software is bullshit because the document as published by the government which I downloaded is not text searchable. A document processed by OCR software becomes searchable like a Word document.
Perhaps it does, perhaps it doesn't. If the OCR scan is successful and the content is stored inline with the document, then yes, to some extent it does become searchable; not like a Word document, but similar to some extent. But of course nothing prevents the OCR data from being stripped. Now the facts are that the layering observed is very typical of such automatic post-processing actually. It can even be trivially duplicated by scanning old, typewritten documents, especially ones that contain thatched backgrounds, like the birth certificate in question.
But let's assume, for the sake of argument, that the birth certificate is a forgery. Forget about the fact that this would have to a conspiracy involving hundreds, if not thousands of people, and would require intimidating thousands more to keep the lid on it. Forget all the actual facts. Just assume the bullshit is true.
Even then, there's still one more small problem. And it's time for you to explain how you go about solving that small problem asshole; and that problem is the proven existence of microfiche newspaper records with the original birth announcement. Do tell us, did the conspiracy start all the way back in 1961? Did Obama hatch it in the womb? Or was it the Kenyans? Or maybe even the Muslims? Or is the simple answer is that Obama and his cabal of usurpers decided to invent and build a their time-machine, which they then used to go back and alter the records so that he'd be elected President?
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But let's assume, for the sake of argument, that the birth certificate is a forgery. Forget about the fact that this would have to a conspiracy involving hundreds, if not thousands of people, and would require intimidating thousands more to keep the lid on it. Forget all the actual facts. Just assume the bullshit is true.
What have the Government done to make you earn their trust? Have they not run up massive unpayable amounts of debt? Have they not refused to secure the borders with Mexico? Have they not lied about the WMD in Iraq? Did they not lie about the Gulf of Tonkin incident?
And why do you think thousands of people need to be involved in the Obama Scam? Were 1000 people there when you were born? How many hospital staff were in the hospital when you were born? I would be surprised if it was 100 and of those only about 5 would even know about your birth. And if that happened 50 years ago there is a good chance they are not even alive anymore. Don't make it seem like thousands of people are in on it. But maybe there were. When Rome fell hundreds of thousands of citizens were corrupt.
As the USA collapses millions of people will become corrupt and criminally involved in some scheme or another. Eventually so many people are criminal that it cannot be contained anymore.
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Yes, you very clearly know "quite a bit about computers." I mean, shit, look at you, you're posting on the interwebs using some sort of electric typewriter on an acoustically-coupled modem! Those actual experts who say (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert-says-obamas-birth-certificate-legit/) this isn't an issue? They don't know jackshit. You're super-knowledgeable on this stuff. Image processing is your bread and butter. Why, you don't even bother actually rendering images. You look at the raw bytes and visualize them in your head.
I have forgotten things about computers that you yet have to learn. I have extensive experience with graphics and have yet to see an original scanned document with doctored layers and a fake pristine background.
If they are trying to convince me the document is real then why not take the original document or film record, place it on a flatbed and scan it like normal people do with a fucking scanner? The result should be a flat image with the original paper background and seal.
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You'd imagine that the State of Hawaii would legally pursue the release of a false document purporting to be from the State in violation of State laws...
Only if politicians were not whores. How do you know they are not corrupt and compromised? Where is your proof? My proof is I have not seen the original scanned document yet. What they gave us was a manipulated graphic document.
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Perhaps it does, perhaps it doesn't. If the OCR scan is successful and the content is stored inline with the document, then yes, to some extent it does become searchable; not like a Word document, but similar to some extent. But of course nothing prevents the OCR data from being stripped. Now the facts are that the layering observed is very typical of such automatic post-processing actually. It can even be trivially duplicated by scanning old, typewritten documents, especially ones that contain thatched backgrounds, like the birth certificate in question.
Did you know that you can take the fake obama certificate document that the government gave us, run OCR processing on it and it becomes searchable? So it is already possible for OCR to work with that document. The fact that text is not searchable in the government document means OCR processing was not done on it. So now we want to know why are there layers in this document? Why was it not flat like the documents you scan at work or your home?
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Fuck there are some morons here.
Logic people. An 18 year old student, with no money, who lives with her parents, does not have the means nor inclination to leave an isolated island in the middle of nowhere to have her baby.
End of story.
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What have the Government done to make you earn their trust?
Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence. I don't necessarily trust the Government.
Have they not run up massive unpayable amounts of debt?
Sure they have. What does that have to do with Obama's birth certificate? Do you think it might actually be a T-bill instead of a birth certificate?
Have they not refused to secure the borders with Mexico?
Perhaps, although I don't believe that a border as massive can be secured to your satisfaction. But what does have to do with Obama's birth certificate? Do you think it was the Mexicans?
Have they not lied about the WMD in Iraq?
They almost certainly lied. But look at what happened with Bush's infamous "yellowcake uranium" claims in his State of the Union address, starting from Joe Wilson's op-ed in the New York Times.
Did they not lie about the Gulf of Tonkin incident?
Sure. And how long did that stay under wraps?
And why do you think thousands of people need to be involved in the Obama Scam?
Simple math really: count the number people who have access to the original records on file in Hawaii, then add the number of people in charge of microfiche newspaper records from 1961, then add the number of people who have access to Department of State records that contain copies of original documents submitted by Obama to be issued a passport, then add the number of people at the Social Security administration who have copies of the documents submitted when either Obama (or someone on his behalf) applied for an SSN, then add the number of people who have access to the copies of the documents submitted at the DMV in States where Obama was issued a driver's license from.
I'd say that, conservatively that adds up to least a few hundred people.
Were 1000 people there when you were born? How many hospital staff were in the hospital when you were born? I would be surprised if it was 100 and of those only about 5 would even know about your birth. And if that happened 50 years ago there is a good chance they are not even alive anymore.
In the entire hospital? Probably. But 1000 didn't see me get born. But that's irrelevant and not the point I was making. See above.
Don't make it seem like thousands of people are in on it.
But there would have to be thousands of people. Of all ages, races, political viewpoints and religious beliefs. And they would all have to be in on it - either by directly participating or by remaining silence - since just ONE of them could blow this thing sky high with ONE shred of credible evidence. But let's say that it all adds up to only a couple of hundred people. None of those people will talk? Why? What possible motivation could they have to all remain silent?
But maybe there were. When Rome fell hundreds of thousands of citizens were corrupt.
And this, if true, proves, what, exactly?
As the USA collapses millions of people will become corrupt and criminally involved in some scheme or another. Eventually so many people are criminal that it cannot be contained anymore.
Let's wait and see, instead of just taking your word for it. It's not that I don't believe you. I just think you're fucking delusional.
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Fuck there are some morons here.
Logic people. An 18 year old student, with no money, who lives with her parents, does not have the means nor inclination to leave an isolated island in the middle of nowhere to have her baby.
End of story.
She was liberal by nature and thought nothing of fucking an African American and having his baby at a time when this was still very much taboo for a white skinned woman to do. I could see her go anywhere in the world if she decided to. She moved from the mainland to Hawaii with her parents and then lived in Indonesia. Seems to me she was inclined to do a lot of things normal women wouldn't.
Who knows why they are not releasing a real birth certificate. I do find it rather interesting that Obama looks more like Communist Frank Marshall Davis than the supposed Kenyan dad.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VjCsIA36WcI/UH6yHkw4OGI/AAAAAAAADB8/zv03dJCkf14/s1600/Frank+Marshall+Davis+and+Barack+Obama+-+father+son.jpg)
(http://savingtherepublic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/frank-marshall-davis-obama.png)
(http://www.aim.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/ObamaDavisObamaDunham.jpg)
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Who knows why they are not releasing a real birth certificate.
Define what you mean by real please?
I do find it rather interesting that Obama looks more like Communist Frank Marshall Davis than the supposed Kenyan dad.
*facepalm* OF COURSE! HOW COULD I HAVE MISSED IT BEFORE!!! It's obvious now. It was his extra gene - colloquially referred to as the Lenin-gene - which is responsible for communist thoughts. ::)
(http://savingtherepublic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/frank-marshall-davis-obama.png)
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/readers/2010/09/04/79c4c754d4a24c95b81e70869b7b72af_1.jpg)
Granted, it's not a communist, but... ::)
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BREAKING NEWS: Donald Trump just released this photo:
You are a genius! ;D
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Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence. I don't necessarily trust the Government.
Sure they have. What does that have to do with Obama's birth certificate? Do you think it might actually be a T-bill instead of a birth certificate?
Perhaps, although I don't believe that a border as massive can be secured to your satisfaction. But what does have to do with Obama's birth certificate? Do you think it was the Mexicans?
They almost certainly lied. But look at what happened with Bush's infamous "yellowcake uranium" claims in his State of the Union address, starting from Joe Wilson's op-ed in the New York Times.
Sure. And how long did that stay under wraps?
Simple math really: count the number people who have access to the original records on file in Hawaii, then add the number of people in charge of microfiche newspaper records from 1961, then add the number of people who have access to Department of State records that contain copies of original documents submitted by Obama to be issued a passport, then add the number of people at the Social Security administration who have copies of the documents submitted when either Obama (or someone on his behalf) applied for an SSN, then add the number of people who have access to the copies of the documents submitted at the DMV in States where Obama was issued a driver's license from.
I'd say that, conservatively that adds up to least a few hundred people.
In the entire hospital? Probably. But 1000 didn't see me get born. But that's irrelevant and not the point I was making. See above.
But there would have to be thousands of people. Of all ages, races, political viewpoints and religious beliefs. And they would all have to be in on it - either by directly participating or by remaining silence - since just ONE of them could blow this thing sky high with ONE shred of credible evidence. But let's say that it all adds up to only a couple of hundred people. None of those people will talk? Why? What possible motivation could they have to all remain silent?
And this, if true, proves, what, exactly?
Let's wait and see, instead of just taking your word for it. It's not that I don't believe you. I just think you're fucking delusional.
Many of the points I made was to illustrate that we are dealing with an untrustworthy leaderships system in the USA. I see Bush and Clinton just as corrupt as Obama. All these whores are being handled by their masters.
Bottom line is this system is so full of lies that I ask myself why would anyone trust one thing coming out of their pie-holes?!
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Bottom line is this system is so full of lies that I ask myself why would anyone trust one thing coming out of their pie-holes?!
That's a reasonable question. But then, why trust those who claim the birth certificate is a forgery? Are their pie-holes producing better-tasting pies?
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That's a reasonable question. But then, why trust those who claim the birth certificate is a forgery? Are their pie-holes producing better-tasting pies?
They did not produce a fake certificate though. The ball is in the cord of the ones that lied. It is a fake document which the layers prove and their ocr bullshit argument exposed them when it became clear they never ran any OCR software on it. But don't believe me go look for yourself. I am not asking you to trust me, go find out for yourself!
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Define what you mean by real please?
*facepalm* OF COURSE! HOW COULD I HAVE MISSED IT BEFORE!!! It's obvious now. It was his extra gene - colloquially referred to as the Lenin-gene - which is responsible for communist thoughts. ::)
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/readers/2010/09/04/79c4c754d4a24c95b81e70869b7b72af_1.jpg)
Granted, it's not a communist, but... ::)
This is a real birth certificate:
(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Hawaii_61-birthcertificate.jpg)
Notice the seal? and fadings over the years?
Here is the fake shit Obama pushed on us:
(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/live-birth-image.jpg)
(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Long-Form-Fake-e1303950575618.jpg)
Why can't we get a document like the top one scanned and made public by Obama and his handlers???
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They did not produce a fake certificate though. The ball is in the cord of the ones that lied. It is a fake document which the layers prove and their ocr bullshit argument exposed them when it became clear they never ran any OCR software on it. But don't believe me go look for yourself. I am not asking you to trust me, go find out for yourself!
But the layers don't prove that. You assert they prove that. But the reality is that not only do a great number of actual experts assert otherwise, but it's TRIVIAL to verify that scanning a similar document (especially one with a thatched background, that has small printed fonts, and typewritten information added during production) while performing OCR will actually result in the creation of similar layers in the resulting document.
But don't let little things like FACTS get in your way :)
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She was liberal by nature and thought nothing of fucking an African American and having his baby at a time when this was still very much taboo for a white skinned woman to do. I could see her go anywhere in the world if she decided to. She moved from the mainland to Hawaii with her parents and then lived in Indonesia. Seems to me she was inclined to do a lot of things normal women wouldn't.
Good post, dead on...
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Define what you mean by real please?
*facepalm* OF COURSE! HOW COULD I HAVE MISSED IT BEFORE!!! It's obvious now. It was his extra gene - colloquially referred to as the Lenin-gene - which is responsible for communist thoughts. ::)
facepalms will not help you. You need years of deprogramming. In fact, you need to go back to before you were born and find new parents because your lineage made it impossible for you to question your superiors. Genetically you are not capable of this important step.
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But the layers don't prove that. You assert they prove that. But the reality is that not only do a great number of actual experts assert otherwise, but it's TRIVIAL to verify that scanning a similar document (especially one with a thatched background, that has small printed fonts, and typewritten information added during production) while performing OCR will actually result in the creation of similar layers in the resulting document.
But don't let little things like FACTS get in your way :)
See my post above yours showing a real certificate. All your bs responses cannot explain what the fuck is going on with that fake certificate when compared to the real deal. It is really that simple. We were expecting the real deal and they gave us fake crap. Now why would they want to do that??!
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She was liberal by nature and thought nothing of fucking an African American and having his baby at a time when this was still very much taboo for a white skinned woman to do. I could see her go anywhere in the world if she decided to. She moved from the mainland to Hawaii with her parents and then lived in Indonesia. Seems to me she was inclined to do a lot of things normal women wouldn't.
Who knows why they are not releasing a real birth certificate. I do find it rather interesting that Obama looks more like Communist Frank Marshall Davis than the supposed Kenyan dad.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VjCsIA36WcI/UH6yHkw4OGI/AAAAAAAADB8/zv03dJCkf14/s1600/Frank+Marshall+Davis+and+Barack+Obama+-+father+son.jpg)
(http://savingtherepublic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/frank-marshall-davis-obama.png)
(http://www.aim.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/ObamaDavisObamaDunham.jpg)
You ever been to Hawaii? Most people are mixes of 3,4 and even more races.
Besides skin color Obama looks a lot like his mom. He looks nothing like that other black guy. Can't tell much from one pic of his dad with glasses on but I do remember Obama's half brother Mark(same dad, Jewish mom) looks a lot like Obama.
Btw, there are plenty of people in Hawaii still alive who went to university with his mom who saw the baby from pretty much the day he was born until he went to Seattle soon after.
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This is a real birth certificate:
(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Hawaii_61-birthcertificate.jpg)
Notice the seal? and fadings over the years?
This is a copy of a birth certificate that was originally issued in 1961.
Here is the fake shit Obama pushed on us:
Fake why? Because it's not a document actually issued in 1961, but an official reproduction of the document that was originally issued in 1961? I was born in the late 70's, and I don't have an original birth certificate from that time, I just had a short-form issued later. When I needed a long-form one, the Department of Health issued me one which reproduced the original information (which is almost certainly now stored in microfiche) on new paper, signed and sealed.
(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/live-birth-image.jpg)
This is what you get when you ask the Department of Health for copy of a long-form birth certificate.
(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Long-Form-Fake-e1303950575618.jpg)
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Why can't we get a document like the top one scanned and made public by Obama and his handlers???
Perhaps he doesn't have one from that time? Many people don't. I didn't, and when I ordered one, I got back something that looks very much like what Obama showed.
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Exactly right what people get are copies of microfiche not copies of the original paper document they are thrown out. That was the whole point of microfiche.
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This is a copy of a birth certificate that was originally issued in 1961.
Fake why? Because it's not a document actually issued in 1961, but an official reproduction of the document that was originally issued in 1961? I was born in the late 70's, and I don't have an original birth certificate from that time, I just had a short-form issued later. When I needed a long-form one, the Department of Health issued me one which reproduced the original information (which is almost certainly now stored in microfiche) on new paper, signed and sealed.
Perhaps he doesn't have one from that time? Many people don't. I didn't, and when I ordered one, I got back something that looks very much like what Obama showed.
I have my original and I was born before you. So does my wife. Even a copy receives a seal I believe. Yet this does not. Hawaii offered Obama's certificate as proof so they obviously archived certificates. Let's see comparable ones from babies born on the same day. Oh wait, we have. this one!
(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Hawaii_61-birthcertificate-e1303950672321.jpg)
How is Hawaii archiving their certificates? On Microfiche? Perhaps someone from Hawaii should have a copy scanned of their own certificate so we can all see the results.
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Exactly right what people get are copies of microfiche not copies of the original paper document they are thrown out. That was the whole point of microfiche.
Here is a Nordyke twin holding her copies she received. Looks nothing like Obama's document heh? And they were born on the same day and the same hospital (supposedly)
(http://www.wnd.com/images/090728nordyke.jpg)
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Notice the seals. Where's Obama's seal??
(http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/nordyke-61.gif)
(http://obamanotqualified.com/images/nordyke-twins-1961-hawaian-birth-certificate-01c.jpg)
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I have my original and I was born before you. So does my wife. Even a copy receives a seal I believe. Yet this does not. Hawaii offered Obama's certificate as proof so they obviously archived certificates. Let's see comparable ones from babies born on the same day. Oh wait, we have. this one!
(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Hawaii_61-birthcertificate-e1303950672321.jpg)
How is Hawaii archiving their certificates? On Microfiche? Perhaps someone from Hawaii should have a copy scanned of their own certificate so we can all see the results.
you idiot that copy was made in 1966 not 2012.
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I have my original and I was born before you. So does my wife.
Great and? That means that everyone must have an original because you and your wife do?
Even a copy receives a seal I believe. Yet this does not.
The document Obama showed and which has been publicly released has the appropriate stamp verifying it's authenticity. Officials from the Department have verified this fact on more than one occasion.
Hawaii offered Obama's certificate as proof so they obviously archived certificates.
Hawaii discarded the actual paper records in 2001 and only has microfiche. The document is the reproduction not of the archived original copy, but of it's microfiche facsimile.
Let's see comparable ones from babies born on the same day. Oh wait, we have. this one!
Yes, let's... HEY! WAIT A MINUTE! That is an original document that was issued 1961. You can't really compare that to Obama's document, which is a reproduction of the original data which the State of Hawaii has on file.
How is Hawaii archiving their certificates? On Microfiche? Perhaps someone from Hawaii should have a copy scanned of their own certificate so we can all see the results.
Hawaii discarded the actual paper records in 2001. I am unsure of how they store records, but I'd imagine that a large part of the older records (including ones from the '60s) are on microfiche, which was the standard storage method for such data. The document that Obama presented is the reproduction of the microfiched information and as close as you can possibly get to the original document that was submitted to the Department.
Notice the seals. Where's Obama's seal??
Do you know what you're looking at here? You're looking at a photostat of the microfiched data. The "seals" you see are not actual raised seals. They're only the lighting artifacts of the original raised seals, during the conversion of the original document to a negative on microfilm. Such indentations are much more clearly visible when viewing the negative of an image.
Again, I will ask you - how do you explain the existence of newspapers from 1961 documenting Obama's birth?
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Scam, soothing the common idiot.
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It will eventually be proven that Obama was not born in the US. Just a matter of when, really.
this
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My mother's ORIGINAL birth certificate from the State she was born in is not accepted by the Federal Government at this time.
She has to go get a paper reprint... It will look nothing like the one she had issued in the late 40s I'd wager.
This is the dumbest thing for people to worry about EVER.
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Every thread should have at least 1 picture of bobby sly in it
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Somali pirate.
LOL - I'm stealing this
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Here is a Nordyke twin holding her copies she received. Looks nothing like Obama's document heh? And they were born on the same day and the same hospital (supposedly)
(http://www.wnd.com/images/090728nordyke.jpg)
why does she look 30 years older than Obama
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you idiot that copy was made in 1966 not 2012.
Fak you fakking moron.
Sue Nordyke's birth certificate is on display, the largest and clearest image of it is in this Scribid file:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/17772843/NBC-Nordyke-Birth-Certificate-Photos (http://www.scribd.com/doc/17772843/NBC-Nordyke-Birth-Certificate-Photos)
Note that the document appears to be copied from a microfiche record, which explains the white text on black background. The embossed seal is barely visible.
(http://i53.tinypic.com/2m77ujs.jpg)
The first arrow points to the outer edge of the seal, the second, shorter arrow points to a ring of text. Here is a closer, enhanced view of the seal.
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2n88v4h.jpg)
The short arrow points to a ring of text, the two longer arrows point to indentations made by the ring of radial bars in the edge of the seal. If you get close to the display, and have myopia as I do, you can see that the paper has been stretched by the seal.
Obama's purported certificates are defective: they lack the state seal with which the real certificates are embossed. Both have been altered, which would invalidate the genuine document.
http://islamexposed.blogspot.com/2011/05/obamination-birth-certificate-that-ain.html (http://islamexposed.blogspot.com/2011/05/obamination-birth-certificate-that-ain.html)
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why does she look 30 years older than Obama
mulatto don't crack?
Neeson is 60 in this photo and 32 years older than this girl. But does he look that age? People age differently.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/19/article-0-1592462A000005DC-112_634x697.jpg)
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Here is a Nordyke twin holding her copies she received. Looks nothing like Obama's document heh? And they were born on the same day and the same hospital (supposedly)
(http://www.wnd.com/images/090728nordyke.jpg)
Dude...The same day? Same Year?
This woman is 51 years old???
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If you look at the large scan of the document you can make-out the seal. Scans don't produce a raised seal but you can make it out in this large photo on the bottom left.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
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Great and? That means that everyone must have an original because you and your wife do?
The document Obama showed and which has been publicly released has the appropriate stamp verifying it's authenticity. Officials from the Department have verified this fact on more than one occasion.
Hawaii discarded the actual paper records in 2001 and only has microfiche. The document is the reproduction not of the archived original copy, but of it's microfiche facsimile.
Yes, let's... HEY! WAIT A MINUTE! That is an original document that was issued 1961. You can't really compare that to Obama's document, which is a reproduction of the original data which the State of Hawaii has on file.
Hawaii discarded the actual paper records in 2001. I am unsure of how they store records, but I'd imagine that a large part of the older records (including ones from the '60s) are on microfiche, which was the standard storage method for such data. The document that Obama presented is the reproduction of the microfiched information and as close as you can possibly get to the original document that was submitted to the Department.
Do you know what you're looking at here? You're looking at a photostat of the microfiched data. The "seals" you see are not actual raised seals. They're only the lighting artifacts of the original raised seals, during the conversion of the original document to a negative on microfilm. Such indentations are much more clearly visible when viewing the negative of an image.
Again, I will ask you - how do you explain the existence of newspapers from 1961 documenting Obama's birth?
The seal will be visible on a microfiche. So if there is no seal then I guess Hawaii in fact does not have his birth certificate as well. You can't have it both ways. If there is missing information then they obviously did not offer up the original as they indicated. If you say they don't have the original then how can they prove he was born in that hospital??
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Look what I just found! Quick, call CNN.
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If you look at the large scan of the document you can make-out the seal. Scans don't produce a raised seal but you can make it out in this large photo on the bottom left.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
Don't see it. I zoomed in all the way and it is not visible. Not even a trace.
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2d8l8b8.jpg)
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Don't see it. I zoomed in all the way and it is not visible. Not even a trace.
Look closely. You can see the circle. The middle of the circle is right below the "evidence for dalaed filing" and the outer side of it is right below the "V" for the signature of local registrar.
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Look closely. You can see the circle. The middle of the circle is right below the "evidence for dalaed filing" and the outer side of it is right below the "V" for the signature of local registrar.
No you can't. Look at the image above your post. Where is it?
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In 2008, in response to media inquiries, the President’s campaign requested his birth certificate from the state of Hawaii. The state sent the campaign the President’s birth certificate, the same legal documentation provided to all Hawaiians as proof of birth in state, and the campaign immediately posted it on the internet. That birth certificate can be seen here (PDF): http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate.pdf (http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate.pdf)
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Observe that I have annotated the image to point out three defects.
1. The Certificate # has been obliterated. Why would Obama obliterate it? It discloses nothing, it serves only as confirmation. A forgery could be discovered by revelation of a real certificate bearing the same number. Also, if the real certification of Obama's birth was revealed, and the numbers did not match, the forgery would be exposed.
2. The embossed seal of the State Health Department is not present. Only a few indecipherable characters, which appear to be inverted numbers, appear where it should be.
3. The document declares that it is invalidated by any alteration. That includes obliterating the serial number.
The White House blog hosts another image of the purported short form, without the watermark.
(http://i54.tinypic.com/9r2hdg.jpg)
While this version lacks the embossed seal, there are some pixels showing through the redaction. Lets take a closer look.
(http://i54.tinypic.com/evdunn.jpg)
If those last two digits are 12, and the form was real, then the recently released long form can't be, the numbers should match.
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2d8l8b8.jpg)
Do real birth certificates bear embossed seals? Lets examine an example.
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http://islamexposed.blogspot.com/2011/05/obamination-birth-certificate-that-ain.html (http://islamexposed.blogspot.com/2011/05/obamination-birth-certificate-that-ain.html)
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(http://www.black-and-right.com/wp-content/uploads/obamawajirap-150x166.jpg)
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Every thread should have at least 1 picture of bobby sly in it
Lest we forget...
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The old lady is the mother of the twins who were born in 1961 use your brains people.
Quad, you cannot compare a copy made in 1966 (as clearly stated on the twins certificates) to one made in 2011 (Obama) since they obviously use different technologies to make the said copies.
Only a recent copy of a 1961 certificate from the same hospital would be a valid comparison. You ever hear of the scientific method?
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If you look at the large scan of the document you can make-out the seal. Scans don't produce a raised seal but you can make it out in this large photo on the bottom left.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
Ha, I can see it using iPad good work!
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Again, I will ask you - how do you explain the existence of newspapers from 1961 documenting Obama's birth?
that's easy, NWO decided on obama's birth(IN KENYA!) that it would further their agenda if he were to one day become president. wheels were set in motion, strings were pulled, documents were invented etc etc...
hence the birth certificate and false newspaper reports of his Hawaii birth. quite simple really
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Fak you fakking moron.
Sue Nordyke's birth certificate is on display, the largest and clearest image of it is in this Scribid file:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/17772843/NBC-Nordyke-Birth-Certificate-Photos (http://www.scribd.com/doc/17772843/NBC-Nordyke-Birth-Certificate-Photos)
Note that the document appears to be copied from a microfiche record, which explains the white text on black background. The embossed seal is barely visible.
It's a photostat of the microfiche. There's no embossed seal. There's only the light/shadow artifacts that the original seal created when the original document was photographed.
Obama's purported certificates are defective: they lack the state seal with which the real certificates are embossed. Both have been altered, which would invalidate the genuine document.
No. They don't "lack" the State seal. The best you can say is that the State seal isn't clearly visible in the digitized copy of the document. Of course the original seal isn't there in a modern reproduction of microfiche-archived facsimile of the original. That's why when the modern document is prepared it's stamped (and perhaps sealed) accordingly. Obama's long-form birth certificate includes the proper stamp, a fact that numerous officials from the Hawaii Depatment of Health have attested to.
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If you look at the large scan of the document you can make-out the seal. Scans don't produce a raised seal but you can make it out in this large photo on the bottom left.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
You absolutely can. You are right.
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The seal will be visible on a microfiche. So if there is no seal then I guess Hawaii in fact does not have his birth certificate as well. You can't have it both ways. If there is missing information then they obviously did not offer up the original as they indicated. If you say they don't have the original then how can they prove he was born in that hospital??
How will the seal be "visible" on microfiche? Do you even know what microfiche is? It's a miniaturized negative. It's a 2-dimensional representation of a 3-dimensional object dumbass. At best what would be visible would be light/shadow variations caused by the raised paper during the conversion process. But the intensity of such variations would depend on a number of factors, including how well the seal was embossed in the original document to begin with. Therefore, any facsimile of the microfiche would not include a raised component. Just some shadowing, whose intensity would differ.
There's no missing information. Authorized representatives of the State of Hawaii have repeatedly stated that they have the necessary records, and they are satisfied as to their authenticity. Ultimately, their opinion on the subject carries more weight than yours, and either of the documents that Obama released are acceptable, under the law, as proof of his birth and citizenship.
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No you can't. Look at the image above your post. Where is it?
Look at the image in full-size. Not shrunk down you dumbass.
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1. The Certificate # has been obliterated. Why would Obama obliterate it? It discloses nothing, it serves only as confirmation. A forgery could be discovered by revelation of a real certificate bearing the same number. Also, if the real certification of Obama's birth was revealed, and the numbers did not match, the forgery would be exposed.
3. The document declares that it is invalidated by any alteration. That includes obliterating the serial number.
These two, combined, the only argument that can be made against this particular document. I'm unsure what purpose obscuring the number serves, but at any rate, even if the number wasn't obscured, you still wouldn't accept the document, so it's largely an academic issue.
2. The embossed seal of the State Health Department is not present. Only a few indecipherable characters, which appear to be inverted numbers, appear where it should be.
I don't know if an embossed seal is required. The live certification of birth that I ordered doesn't have one. Instead it's printed on paper that has intaglio printing and other security features built into it. Everyone, from the DMV to the Department of State happily accept it as prima facie evidence of my birth and citizenship.
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My mother's ORIGINAL birth certificate from the State she was born in is not accepted by the Federal Government at this time.
She has to go get a paper reprint... It will look nothing like the one she had issued in the late 40s I'd wager.
This is the dumbest thing for people to worry about EVER.
^ this...
im a completely unbiased, un corrupted observer to this debate and to me its obvious that quadzilla has taken information from other's sites grasping at straws to try and discredit the document.
and he believes them so is vehemently "certain" in his own mind that its a conspiracy.
On the other hand, avxo has built a hard to argue counter point, focusing on facts, credible expert testimony (not some dodgy blog or conspiracist site) and logic.
Finally, who cares?..
and for everyone else who doesnt really care or consider it moot at best..the reason why the US is struggling is not because of the government, but because of the culture and its people.
the same thing happens over and over..US people (in the majority, not entirety) want better things for their lives, but arent willing to compromise in order to get them.
the greater good, overall, can be had if its society is willing to take half a step back in order to move 2 forward...but many dont want to take that half step back.
its not a US thing exclusively, its human...but in the US's case its entrenched.
If you dont want Obama, many countries in the world would welcome his leadership and brilliance.
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If you dont want Obama, many countries in the world would welcome his leadership and brilliance.
Oh god... ::)
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apply your own logic and my comment will make sense.
hint: try applying some of that objectivity you have displayed in this thread.
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On the other hand, avxo has built a hard to argue counter point, focusing on facts, credible expert testimony (not some dodgy blog or conspiracist site) and logic.
What facts and which expert testimony? There are many many people that believe it is a conspiracy. People conspire all the time. It is not something that never happens. I love how conspiracy theories are always labeled as fringe and not to be taken serious. As if nobody conspires against anybody on this planet. Conspiring is what humans do lol! Even in the animal kingdom there is a lot of conspiring going on.
Fact is there is no seal on Obama's document when two other certificates from the same hospital on the same day does have it! That's the fact that has not been explained. And then we are told to look for a seal that is not visible on the Obama certificate lol!
Finally, who cares?..
The fact that you don't care explain why you do not want to accept the fraud. You don't think it is an issue if the President of the USA is lying about where he was born? WOW! If he lies about that what else is he not lying about? I am stunned that you could think it does not matter that they could willfully be committing fraud. If this is a lie then they have also tampered with government documents. This is an offense that no normal citizen of most countries can get away with. Do you want someone like this in a position of power commanding the largest nuclear arsenal in the World???
and for everyone else who doesnt really care or consider it moot at best..the reason why the US is struggling is not because of the government, but because of the culture and its people.
the same thing happens over and over..US people (in the majority, not entirety) want better things for their lives, but arent willing to compromise in order to get them.
The government is not the only one responsible. The people have a hand in it as well. Yes, the citizens wanted cheap products and wanted a new product every few years. However don't consider the government completely innocent. The perpetual wars is costing a lot of money. I met a military guy that is retired in his 50s who told me he is receiving almost $6000 a month in pension which the tax payer is paying for. And this guy was not a top guy. But this is small change compared with the cost of maintaining the arsenal and equipment.
And is it not the government that allowed the creation of the Federal Reserve? Did the public vote on the creation of this entity that issues currency and may not be audited? Why did the government not prevent the creation of the Federal Reserve?
If you dont want Obama, many countries in the world would welcome his leadership and brilliance.
lol!
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Jay Leno is Obama mom?
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Obama's slut mother?
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