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Title: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: The True Adonis on November 07, 2012, 07:35:38 AM
Ever since the rise of the Internet their levels of delusion have equally took an upswing.  From blatantly false Chain Mails that make no sense, False News Stories, Confirmation Bias, stifled Comprehension from basic online news articles to the walling themselves from all reality.

The only hope they can have is for more of them to physically die off in order to cleanse their party.  It may take decades, but its their only hope as they will not magically grow a new brain to interpret data or their very surroundings.


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 07, 2012, 07:36:39 AM
They are the dinosaur that didn't evolve, and I believe that this was their Swan Song.


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: The True Adonis on November 07, 2012, 07:39:17 AM
They are the dinosaur that didn't evolve, and I believe that this was their Swan Song.
I think its going to take 2-4 more elections before the useless ones die for the most part.  By 5 elections all of the useless ones should be gone.


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: Hulkotron on November 07, 2012, 07:41:41 AM
Ever since the rise of the Internet their levels of delusion have equally took an upswing.  From blatantly false Chain Mails that make no sense, False News Stories, Confirmation Bias, stifled Comprehension from basic online news articles to the walling themselves from all reality.

The only hope they can have is for more of them to physically die off in order to cleanse their party.  It may take decades, but its their only hope as they will not magically grow a new brain to interpret data or their very surroundings.

David Axelrod had a good quote yesterday, something along the lines of "Our strategy was based on cold hard data-based facts, theirs was based on a mystical faith."


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: Rami on November 07, 2012, 07:48:19 AM
And the base of republican voters are elderly people now, so the republican party will probably be replaced by independents or the green party, and maybe the two party system will be history all together


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: Tito24 on November 07, 2012, 07:48:43 AM
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Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: dr.chimps on November 07, 2012, 07:50:33 AM
They're just giving people what they want to hear. If you have an audience of credulous, non-thinkers can you blame them?   :-\


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: RustyTrenbolona on November 07, 2012, 07:53:41 AM
“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.”
― Alexis de Tocqueville


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 07, 2012, 07:54:40 AM
“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.”
― Alexis de Tocqueville

Democracy in America...


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: MCWAY on November 07, 2012, 07:56:15 AM
The problem with the Republicans isn't the internet. It's the infighting of the party, as is usually the case with a loss.

It's the Tea Party vs. the moderates.

The moderates are saying the Tea Party took the GOP too far to the right and wouldn't compromise.

The Tea Party is saying basically that, without them, they wouldn't have won the House in the first place.

As far as presidential candidates go, George Will of ABC made a great point. The musical chairs that was being played in the GOP primary was all done to keep the "inevitable" from happening: Mitt Romney winning the nomination.

Go back to last year and who was almost literally the flavor of the month.

August: Bachmann
September: Perry
October: Cain
November:Gingrich
December/January: Santorum

The Tea Party did not want Romney, because they feared that another moderate would lose to Obama.

And, that's the crux of the fight. They're going to say: WE TOLD YOU SO. We backed another mushy moderate and LOST. NO MORE!!

In fact, last night (or earlier this morning), I told you about a press release from the Tea Party News Network.

It's worse in the House and Senate races. Whenever a Tea Party guy/girl loses to an establishment/moderate Republican, usually they back that moderate in their race against the Democrat.

But, whenever a Tea Party candidate beats an establishment type, that type takes his/her ball and goes home or does everything to undermine the Tea Party candidate, ensuring he/she loses. We saw that in 2010; we've seen it in 2012.


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: RustyTrenbolona on November 07, 2012, 07:57:20 AM
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”
― Alexis de Tocqueville


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: The True Adonis on November 07, 2012, 07:59:20 AM
The problem with the Republicans isn't the internet. It's the infighting of the party, as is usually the case with a loss.

It's the Tea Party vs. the moderates.

The moderates are saying the Tea Party took the GOP too far to the right and wouldn't compromise.

The Tea Party is saying basically that, without them, they wouldn't have won the House in the first place.

As far as presidential candidates go, George Will of ABC made a great point. The musical chairs that was being played in the GOP primary was all done to keep the "inevitable" from happening: Mitt Romney winning the nomination.

Go back to last year and who was almost literally the flavor of the month.

August: Bachmann
September: Perry
October: Cain
November:Gingrich
December/January: Santorum

The Tea Party did not want Romney, because they feared that another moderate would lose to Obama.

And, that's the crux of the fight. They're going to say: WE TOLD YOU SO. We backed another mushy moderate and LOST. NO MORE!!

In fact, last night (or earlier this morning), I told you about a press release from the Tea Party News Network.
The Tea Party is precisely what destroyed the party.  They not only are kicking out old school Republicans who actually had decent things to say, they are kicking out reason for a social agenda that reeks of the 1950s.

Why would anyone vote for people who think women should be forced Trans-Vaginal Probes so they can see their fetus after they were raped?

The Tea Party are mental cowards and deserve to lose every single time.


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: nefario on November 07, 2012, 08:08:39 AM
The Tea Party is precisely what destroyed the party.  They not only are kicking out old school Republicans who actually had decent things to say, they are kicking out reason for a social agenda that reeks of the 1950s.

Why would anyone vote for people who think women should be forced Trans-Vaginal Probes so they can see their fetus after they were raped?

The Tea Party are mental cowards and deserve to lose every single time.

Yes, I agree with this, and I doubt the GOP can self-correct. I've said it before....the Tea Party started as a thinly guised money saving opportunity for the Kochs, but it's taken on a life of its own. The fact that Romney couldn't stand up and unequivocally denounce those pre-historic comments about abortion showed that he'd probably remain in the hip pocket of the fringe. All he had to do...all he had to do...was move to the center-right immediately after the somewhat prolonged primary season, and come completely clean about his tax history, for better of worse. The far right and Bible thumpers would have stuck with him as the lesser of two evils, and he could have gone after independents, women and latino voters.


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on November 07, 2012, 08:09:08 AM
When Mitt Romney is your best option there are a lot of problems that need fixing.


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: Tito24 on November 07, 2012, 08:12:26 AM
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Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: Roger Bacon on November 07, 2012, 08:56:40 AM
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”
― Alexis de Tocqueville

YES^


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: MCWAY on November 07, 2012, 09:15:35 AM
The Tea Party is precisely what destroyed the party.  They not only are kicking out old school Republicans who actually had decent things to say, they are kicking out reason for a social agenda that reeks of the 1950s.

Why would anyone vote for people who think women should be forced Trans-Vaginal Probes so they can see their fetus after they were raped?

The Tea Party are mental cowards and deserve to lose every single time.

Without the Tea Party, the GOP doesn't win the House in 2010.

Romney will simply be viewed, I think, as the John Kerry of the GOP: The guy the base didn't really want but the establishment thought was the most "presidential".

Go back 8 years. When Bush got re-elected, did the Dems compromise or go to the center? NOPE!!

They went far-left, blocking Bush at every turn and really chop-blocking him, when they took Congress.

The Tea Party will do the same, only to the right. Their argument will be the GOP ran another mushy moderate; he got the lips slapped off his face; we got creamed; and we're stuck with Obama for another four years.

SO......TO HELL WITH COMPROMISE AND REACHING ACROSS THE AISLE!!! We need true conservatives.

Chris Hayes of MSNBC made the point, after Maddow commented about the GOP losing two Senate seats, that the messages keep getting mixed, because of the electorate that shows up on general election years vs. off-election years (or midterms).

Basically, in general election years, they're "less white and more liberal"; in off-years, they're more white and more conservative.


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: The True Adonis on November 07, 2012, 09:16:48 AM
Without the Tea Party, the GOP doesn't win the House in 2010.

Romney will simply be viewed, I think, as the John Kerry of the GOP: The guy the base didn't really want but the establishment thought was the most "presidential".

Go back 8 years. When Bush got re-elected, did the Dems compromise or go to the center? NOPE!!

They went far-left, blocking Bush at every turn and really chop-blocking him, when they took Congress.

The Tea Party will do the same, only to the right. Their argument will be the GOP ran another mushy moderate; he got the lips slapped off his face; we got creamed; and we're stuck with Obama for another four years.

SO......TO HELL WITH COMPROMISE AND REACHING ACROSS THE AISLE!!! We need true conservatives.
Prepare to never win again with that direction.


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: Stark on November 07, 2012, 09:17:42 AM
Without the Tea Party, the GOP doesn't win the House in 2010.

Romney will simply be viewed, I think, as the John Kerry of the GOP: The guy the base didn't really want but the establishment thought was the most "presidential".

Go back 8 years. When Bush got re-elected, did the Dems compromise or go to the center? NOPE!!

They went far-left, blocking Bush at every turn and really chop-blocking him, when they took Congress.

The Tea Party will do the same, only to the right. Their argument will be the GOP ran another mushy moderate; he got the lips slapped off his face; we got creamed; and we're stuck with Obama for another four years.

SO......TO HELL WITH COMPROMISE AND REACHING ACROSS THE AISLE!!! We need true conservatives.

Read an article that said - Obama has six weeks  time to act now - thats as much as the reps will be busy with themself before regrouping, there could be a lot of change happening in the next 2 month.


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: 240 is Back on November 07, 2012, 09:19:00 AM
Ever since the rise of the Internet their levels of delusion have equally took an upswing.  From blatantly false Chain Mails that make no sense, False News Stories, Confirmation Bias, stifled Comprehension from basic online news articles to the walling themselves from all reality.

The only hope they can have is for more of them to physically die off in order to cleanse their party.  It may take decades, but its their only hope as they will not magically grow a new brain to interpret data or their very surroundings.

it's true.  romney can't say what every room wants to hear.  His flip flops were epic and well documented.



Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: MCWAY on November 07, 2012, 09:19:58 AM
Prepare to never win again with that direction.

Republicans said the same thing after 2004's election.

Again, the libs didn't compromise with Bush or the Republicans. They went far left.


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: Stark on November 07, 2012, 09:20:08 AM
it's true.  romney can't say what every room wants to hear.  His flip flops were epic and well documented.




The problem was that the reps sold Romney like a product, like something that can be changed when ever needed - people are not that dumb.


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
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Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: Voice of Doom on November 07, 2012, 09:52:03 AM
For someone who claims to honor the old ways TA...you're not being a very graceful winner.


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: The True Adonis on November 07, 2012, 10:02:49 AM
Republicans said the same thing after 2004's election.

Again, the libs didn't compromise with Bush or the Republicans. They went far left.
Hardly the case.  You see, we are allowed to go further to the left (which really didn`t happen), as progression always comes from being liberal or more liberal.

Going further to the right is not an option as it represents a complete roll back and stagnation of progress.


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: Stark on November 07, 2012, 10:12:08 AM
btw


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: lvtolft on November 07, 2012, 11:56:08 AM
btw
LOL!!!!!


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: Hulkotron on November 07, 2012, 02:28:51 PM
Maybe this result will cause the Republican party to disembark the crazy-train and we can stop treating abortion and immigration laws like they should be important campaign issues.


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: Marty Champions on November 07, 2012, 02:41:49 PM
when is the debt going to go down or does that even matter?

my guess is we can run up as much debt as we want and print as much money as we please provided we make everything here


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: Hulkotron on November 07, 2012, 02:44:31 PM
when is the debt going to go down or does that even matter?

my guess is we can run up as much debt as we want and print as much money as we please provided we make everything here

Yes I don't think we're planning on paying that back Johnny.


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: Marty Champions on November 07, 2012, 02:49:06 PM
Yes I don't think we're planning on paying that back Johnny.

i think the federal reserve prints 10 million dollars per day so the debt never even matterd at all


probably alot more than 10 million btw


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: The True Adonis on November 07, 2012, 02:56:08 PM
when is the debt going to go down or does that even matter?

my guess is we can run up as much debt as we want and print as much money as we please provided we make everything here
Don`t you worry about that at all my little munchkin, as long as long as we have good liberals in power, we will continue to serve up the heme-iron sandwiches to all of our enemies.


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: RadOncDoc on November 07, 2012, 02:59:56 PM
I think you guys are failing to mention a big issue here in the united states has been the shifting demographic, particularly the increase in Hispanic voters. The recent shift towards dems has more to do with that than a dramatic cultural shift among whites. On average, white voters are still more right of center, and had the racial demographic remained the same as it was say 50 years ago, repubs would still be largely in power. The big issue has been the increasing minority populations voting for dems for totally different reasons than the white libs. There has not been some "cultural enlightenment" as white libs are claiming. Minorities vote for dems because they want free shit; it has nothing to do with abortion, global warming, evolution, gay rights, and all the other issues important to white, urban dems. Hell, the minorities voting for obama are certainly more anti-gay, scientifically illiterate, and at least claim to be more religious than the repub-voting whites.


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: Marty Champions on November 07, 2012, 03:05:14 PM
Don`t you worry about that at all my little munchkin, as long as long as we have good liberals in power, we will continue to serve up the heme-iron sandwiches to all of our enemies.

yes exporting heme-iron sandwiches should be at an all time high

have you cut back on your heme-iron intake since the word has finally gotten out?

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Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: kh300 on November 07, 2012, 07:04:32 PM
I can't wait for 4-more years of near zero economic growth. Being in business development it's practically impossible to find companies that have any money to spend and it's getting worse. Obama just doesn't have the experience for the job and during his first two years even with a democratic super majority they didn't want to work with him. Everyone was blaming the Republicans. I will never buy into Obama's socialist ideological values. It is contrary to capitalism and free enterprise.
With 47% of the country paying little or no taxes and that group is growing every year, it places too much of a burden on the people who work. I'm sick of working for the dead-beats. The 47% is not only old, sick and disabled. There are way too many free-loaders in that group and they just sit back and wait for hand outs. People collecting food stamps used to be able to only use them for food and essentials. Now they can get cash back which allows them to use our tax dollars to buy booze, drugs and for gambling. If you want to have fun, drink, party and gamble.........get a job. Don't ask me for a hand-out. The food stamp program has doubled since Obama took over. Food stamps are not a debit card to some unlimited bank account, although the 47% seems to think it is.


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: MP on November 07, 2012, 07:15:44 PM
I can't wait for 4-more years of near zero economic growth. Being in business development it's practically impossible to find companies that have any money to spend and it's getting worse. Obama just doesn't have the experience for the job and during his first two years even with a democratic super majority they didn't want to work with him. Everyone was blaming the Republicans. I will never buy into Obama's socialist ideological values. It is contrary to capitalism and free enterprise.
With 47% of the country paying little or no taxes and that group is growing every year, it places too much of a burden on the people who work. I'm sick of working for the dead-beats. The 47% is not only old, sick and disabled. There are way too many free-loaders in that group and they just sit back and wait for hand outs. People collecting food stamps used to be able to only use them for food and essentials. Now they can get cash back which allows them to use our tax dollars to buy booze, drugs and for gambling. If you want to have fun, drink, party and gamble.........get a job. Don't ask me for a hand-out. The food stamp program has doubled since Obama took over. Food stamps are not a debit card to some unlimited bank account, although the 47% seems to think it is.

Finally some facts and sense in this thread.


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: magikusar on November 07, 2012, 07:25:50 PM
Ever since the rise of the Internet their levels of delusion have equally took an upswing.  From blatantly false Chain Mails that make no sense, False News Stories, Confirmation Bias, stifled Comprehension from basic online news articles to the walling themselves from all reality.

The only hope they can have is for more of them to physically die off in order to cleanse their party.  It may take decades, but its their only hope as they will not magically grow a new brain to interpret data or their very surroundings.

LOL look in the mirror!!! Socialism has never worked and when we try it, USA will just shittier and shittier.

USA is great because we limited government, but now that is changing, and things are going to hell.



Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: MCWAY on November 07, 2012, 07:27:21 PM
btw

We always go through this. You think all the Democrats who threatened to leave if Bush got re-elected in 2004 actually packed their bags and bailed?


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: Straw Man on November 07, 2012, 07:29:17 PM
I can't wait for 4-more years of near zero economic growth. Being in business development it's practically impossible to find companies that have any money to spend and it's getting worse. Obama just doesn't have the experience for the job and during his first two years even with a democratic super majority they didn't want to work with him. Everyone was blaming the Republicans. I will never buy into Obama's socialist ideological values. It is contrary to capitalism and free enterprise.
With 47% of the country paying little or no taxes and that group is growing every year, it places too much of a burden on the people who work. I'm sick of working for the dead-beats. The 47% is not only old, sick and disabled. There are way too many free-loaders in that group and they just sit back and wait for hand outs. People collecting food stamps used to be able to only use them for food and essentials. Now they can get cash back which allows them to use our tax dollars to buy booze, drugs and for gambling. If you want to have fun, drink, party and gamble.........get a job. Don't ask me for a hand-out. The food stamp program has doubled since Obama took over. Food stamps are not a debit card to some unlimited bank account, although the 47% seems to think it is.

you're in business development and you have no business

there are plenty of thriving and growing business right now

did it ever occur to you that maybe you're not very good at your job?



Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: Fury on November 07, 2012, 07:33:17 PM
you're in business development and you have no business

there are plenty of thriving and growing business right now

did it ever occur to you that maybe you're not very good at your job?



Approximately 60% of S&P500 companies missed their quarter 2 earnings estimates. Lots of "thriving" businesses out there.  ::)




Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: The True Adonis on November 07, 2012, 07:36:33 PM
Approximately 60% of S&P500 companies missed their quarter 2 earnings estimates. Lots of "thriving" businesses out there.  ::)



So what you are saying is you want the government to help the Private Sector.  :o


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: kh300 on November 07, 2012, 07:46:07 PM
you're in business development and you have no business

there are plenty of thriving and growing business right now

did it ever occur to you that maybe you're not very good at your job?



No because business was booming until about '09. I mean booming. Thankfully I just own part of the company and have a regular job.

But ask anyone that is in business development and they will all tell you what a disaster it has become.


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: MP on November 07, 2012, 08:17:26 PM
So what you are saying is you want the government to help the Private Sector.  :o

Yeah ... "help" ... by getting the fuck out of the way!


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: Straw Man on November 07, 2012, 08:22:00 PM
No because business was booming until about '09. I mean booming. Thankfully I just own part of the company and have a regular job.

But ask anyone that is in business development and they will all tell you what a disaster it has become.

do you use your business development techniques in your regular job?


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: kh300 on November 07, 2012, 08:38:30 PM
do you use your business development techniques in your regular job?

Nope. I'm in law enforcement.


Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: Straw Man on November 07, 2012, 08:45:12 PM
Nope. I'm in law enforcement.

so you work full time in LE and you're a part owner in a businss development type of business?




Title: Re: The REAL Problem with Republicans is the Internet.
Post by: kh300 on November 07, 2012, 09:04:02 PM
so you work full time in LE and you're a part owner in a business development type of business?




No. Now I just own batting cages inside a big sports training complex, although I used to have more invested in the training side. The company is a large franchise. Didn't mean to mix that up with business development, I have nothing to do with that. But people in that business are all struggling because most small businesses are dying.