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Title: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: BFG on November 09, 2012, 04:00:58 AM
Many bodybuilders believe the key to growth is through exotic drug combinations. This is simply not true. With the exception of the last 8 or so weeks of contest prep, there is very little reason to use drugs like trenbolone, masteron, winstrol, anavar, halotestin, etc. If your goal is to gain as much size as possible it boils down to 3 simple components:

1) Lots of food
2) Heavy training
3) Lots of testosterone, nandralone, dianabol, anadrol, growth hormone and insulin

There is simply no need for elaborate combinations of 6 different anabolic steroids in varying doses to become huge. For example, a simple an effective protocol that will transform anyone into a "mass monster" would be:

2,000mg testosterone
1,000mg nandralone
100mg dbol
10iu hGH
15iu insulin first thing AM, and post workout

There is never a reason to go below 1,000mg testosterone except for health reasons. 600mg-800mg's of nandralone is a good baseline year round, use varying amounts of the phenyl propionate ester to blast an additional 400-600mg's of nandralone off and on as the decanoate ester is simply too slow for well timed "blasts" when staying on year long in a "blast and cruise" protocol.

Dianabol and Anadrol are extremely beneficial. These two drugs provide a level of muscle fullness, weight gain and strength (remember, progressive overload is the key to growth so the heavier you lift, the bigger you will get - up to a point, anyway) that proves invaluable. Dbol/Drol is best taken in one large dose pre workout, on non-workout days you can take a much smaller dose (or none at all) and stagger the difference to allow for larger dosages on workout days. For example:

Monday - 100mg dbol preworkout
Tuesday - 100mg dbol pre workout
Wednesday - rest no dbol
Thursday - 100mg dbol pre workout
Friday - 100mg dbol pre workout
Sat and Sun - Rest no dbol

This typically allows the user to reap all the positive benefits of higher doses at the most important time (during the workout) while avoiding a lot of the negative side effects that come with daily doses of such quantities.

Take growth hormone only on workout days, in an entire dose post workout. Even if you can only afford 5iu's of real growth hormone per week, take the total amount you would use weekly and divide it in one larger shot post workout, only on workout days. Use insulin everyday, first thing in the morning before breakfast. On training days, use insulin pre workout - timing dependent on the time of insulin used. 10g carbs per 1iu is a good starting place for insulin but it is not the be all and end all, many people are fine with 6-7g per 1iu and then some require 14-15g per 1iu. The more GH you use, the more insulin your body can tolerate with less carbs, this is part of the reason GH keeps you leaner when using insulin. Remember, insulin increases nutrient shuttling it does NOT shuttle 100 percent of the nutrients into the muscles. When you add IGF to the equation, it causes the exact opposite effect of GH: you can now tolerate much less insulin and need much more carbs. The best combination is all 3: IGF, hGH and insulin.

Sermorelin is another effective peptide that many guys are discovering has true benefits. it is very easy to get prescribed to sermorelin, pretty much any anti-aging doc will do it as it is far less regulated in its uses than GH. Sermorelin WILL keep you leaner, hungrier and have a synergistic muscle building effect with the anabolics as well as with other peptides like GH and IGF. The best way to use sermorelin is basically the opposite of GH: instead of one large dose, take sermorelin everyday, 3-5 times per day in the "saturation dose" each time.  

So, far the bodybuilder looking to build some serious size we now have:
2,000mg testosterone
1,000mg nandralone
100mg dbol pre workout, workout days only
10iu GH postworkout, workout days only
15iu insulin every morning
15iu insulin pre workout
1mg sermorelin 3-5x per day, everyday
120mcg IGF-1 pre workout pinned in muscles to be trained



Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: Archer77 on November 09, 2012, 04:23:29 AM
What does 1000-2000mg of test even feel like?  I ran 500 and I felt like king of the world. Can't even imagine 2000mg


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: nevertrustanyone on November 09, 2012, 04:57:33 AM
fuck off


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: Smokincrazy on November 09, 2012, 05:12:28 AM
That's clueless garbage.  1000mg of Deca all the time.  ::). Yep run that


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: BigCyp on November 09, 2012, 05:16:31 AM
I run 2000mg of bathtub test, and then I take it all out the bath, photograph it for getbig and run a bath


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: Bam-bam on November 09, 2012, 05:20:17 AM
"Dbol/Drol is best taken in one large dose pre workout"

whats the theory behind that? Assuming the muscle is recovering for not only hours but days after the stimulus, it would make sense to keep the drugs level high for a long period after the workout session, no?


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: Bam-bam on November 09, 2012, 05:20:53 AM
fuck to whoever moved this thread

aparently only open homossexualism is allowed at the main forum board


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: whitewidow on November 09, 2012, 05:22:20 AM
OK now post this in the correct section . Are you trying to be the new GH15? first off you can get huge off way less Test,deca, dbol and anadrol. ven th HGH is high unless you are using chinese. 6-8IU's of serostim is like taking 14-16IU's of HGH. I believe todays bodybuilders do not train as hard as the old school pros. some people can get by off way less depending on their genetics. Hell I gained 40lbs this year just off a small dose of 250-500mg of Test E a week and some USA HGH- 4 IU's a day.

most important thing was my diet and training.I would not suggest anybody using that much test! I am sure people use that much but it is over-kill. It also depends on the ester though. some esters you do need higher doses.mainly the fast acting esters such as prop, suspension or sust. those are usually shot daily. I do like stacking dbol with anadrol. alot of people do not agree with 2 orals but those two compounds together work magic.


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: BFG on November 09, 2012, 05:30:54 AM
OK now post this in the correct section . Are you trying to be the new GH15? first off you can get huge off way less Test,deca, dbol and anadrol. ven th HGH is high unless you are using chinese. 6-8IU's of serostim is like taking 14-16IU's of HGH. I believe todays bodybuilders do not train as hard as the old school pros. some people can get by off way less depending on their genetics. Hell I gained 40lbs this year just off a small dose of 250-500mg of Test E a week and some USA HGH- 4 IU's a day.

most important thing was my diet and training.I would not suggest anybody using that much test! I am sure people use that much but it is over-kill. It also depends on the ester though. some esters you do need higher doses.mainly the fast acting esters such as prop, suspension or sust. those are usually shot daily. I do like stacking dbol with anadrol. alot of people do not agree with 2 orals but those two compounds together work magic.

1) "gh15" gave horrendous drug advice. One of the initial reasons I registered on this board was to attempt to set the record straight about the nonsense he was suggesting.

2) Do you honestly believe you can reach pro size with hard training, good diet and 500mg's of test?


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: trapz101 on November 09, 2012, 05:50:48 AM
bfg could you please post something that is more suitable for gym rats?not those pro levels stack


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: The.Giant on November 09, 2012, 06:55:33 AM
OK now post this in the correct section . Are you trying to be the new GH15? first off you can get huge off way less Test,deca, dbol and anadrol. ven th HGH is high unless you are using chinese. 6-8IU's of serostim is like taking 14-16IU's of HGH. I believe todays bodybuilders do not train as hard as the old school pros. some people can get by off way less depending on their genetics. Hell I gained 40lbs this year just off a small dose of 250-500mg of Test E a week and some USA HGH- 4 IU's a day.

most important thing was my diet and training.I would not suggest anybody using that much test! I am sure people use that much but it is over-kill. It also depends on the ester though. some esters you do need higher doses.mainly the fast acting esters such as prop, suspension or sust. those are usually shot daily. I do like stacking dbol with anadrol. alot of people do not agree with 2 orals but those two compounds together work magic.

So, you're clearly a "USA HGH" dealer.


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: darkrid3r on November 09, 2012, 07:38:02 AM
I run 1000mg test a week and going to start 2IU gh here shortly. Learning how to eat, Learning how to manipulate your body via the foods you eat is more important than the drugs, they are just a bonus IMO.

Year 1 255 pounds at 36% body fat (yup i was a fat fucker), running 500mg as most noobs would stepped on stage at 196 (yup still too fat, should have been 176). Ran tren\winny\anavar pre-contest

year 2-3 and part of 4 231 pounds held for the whole time, getting leaner and bigger each year. I plan to step on stage again at 196 come June 2013. Running 750-1000mg for this whole time doctor monitored.

Its all about diet and cardio, drugs help. I would agree here 100% that you dont need 4-5-6 combinations of steroids. If you cant grow on 500mg week you have bigger issues like diet training and rest.

I will blast up to 2000mg for 10 weeks, then come back down to 1000-750 for the off season.


Would also concur 100% that the trainers of today dont train as hard as the pros of the past, why? They are on more drugs which blows them up quicker.
But let me tell you, there is a huge difference between a blown up gym rat, and a bodybuilder. We all know the skin, the vascular look, the huge ripped monster with 6-8 pack abs year round.

Why do I wear head phones, so the fuck tards wont bother me and ask me what or how much drugs i'm taking. They don't get the fact that you have to eat right, they want the short cut.


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: bench123 on November 09, 2012, 11:02:02 PM
how about something for the guys that just want to be big not pro size


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: jacked_unit on November 09, 2012, 11:48:07 PM
Cheers for the info BFG i really enjoy reading your posts,

i agree with bench123 and trapz101 that it would be great to hear from you about diet and drugs for someone who is not a pro level but just wanting to win a small city competition.  Could you lay out a 16 week plan for something like this?


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: whitewidow on November 10, 2012, 03:32:03 AM
I run 1000mg test a week and going to start 2IU gh here shortly. Learning how to eat, Learning how to manipulate your body via the foods you eat is more important than the drugs, they are just a bonus IMO.

Year 1 255 pounds at 36% body fat (yup i was a fat fucker), running 500mg as most noobs would stepped on stage at 196 (yup still too fat, should have been 176). Ran tren\winny\anavar pre-contest

year 2-3 and part of 4 231 pounds held for the whole time, getting leaner and bigger each year. I plan to step on stage again at 196 come June 2013. Running 750-1000mg for this whole time doctor monitored.

Its all about diet and cardio, drugs help. I would agree here 100% that you dont need 4-5-6 combinations of steroids. If you cant grow on 500mg week you have bigger issues like diet training and rest.

I will blast up to 2000mg for 10 weeks, then come back down to 1000-750 for the off season.


Would also concur 100% that the trainers of today dont train as hard as the pros of the past, why? They are on more drugs which blows them up quicker.
But let me tell you, there is a huge difference between a blown up gym rat, and a bodybuilder. We all know the skin, the vascular look, the huge ripped monster with 6-8 pack abs year round.

Why do I wear head phones, so the fuck tards wont bother me and ask me what or how much drugs i'm taking. They don't get the fact that you have to eat right, they want the short cut.

good post. I agree with everything. if you cannot gain off 500mg a week something is wrong with your training or diet. I think todays bodybuilders are a bit lazy.


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: whitewidow on November 10, 2012, 03:40:42 AM
1) "gh15" gave horrendous drug advice. One of the initial reasons I registered on this board was to attempt to set the record straight about the nonsense he was suggesting.

2) Do you honestly believe you can reach pro size with hard training, good diet and 500mg's of test?

1. well I agree GH15's advice seemed to be just for people looking to get pro size. I agree his advice was not to helpful and dangerous.

2. No I dont think you can go pro with just taking 500mg of test. But  you can go pro using way less then 2,000mg of test. everybody who is trying to go pro is going to have to include HGH and insulin and also take alot of time learning on how to use the combo in a correct manner so you get the synergestic effect of both the HGH and insulin. I think alot of people over-complicate things! It is pretty simple! people make the drug use sound way to complicated.

I think todays pros are a tad lazy and rely on way more drugs then pro's of the past. Genetics, hard work, and diet are just as important as someones drug use. the drug use is the easy part. you can buy steroids and HGH but you cannot buy genetics.


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: BFG on November 10, 2012, 06:46:22 AM
1. well I agree GH15's advice seemed to be just for people looking to get pro size. I agree his advice was not to helpful and dangerous.

2. No I dont think you can go pro with just taking 500mg of test. But  you can go pro using way less then 2,000mg of test. everybody who is trying to go pro is going to have to include HGH and insulin and also take alot of time learning on how to use the combo in a correct manner so you get the synergestic effect of both the HGH and insulin. I think alot of people over-complicate things! It is pretty simple! people make the drug use sound way to complicated.

I think todays pros are a tad lazy and rely on way more drugs then pro's of the past. Genetics, hard work, and diet are just as important as someones drug use. the drug use is the easy part. you can buy steroids and HGH but you cannot buy genetics.

I have stated in previous posts that bodybuilding is a contest of genetics. Regardless, you cannot go pro on 2,000mg or less of gear today (or in this decade...or in the 90s...or in the 80s...) - rather, no one has competed yet with such a genetic response that he could go pro on 2,000mg or less of gear.

The reality of competing at the top level today is you need a lot of anabolic steroids, a lot of growth hormone and a lot of insulin and the best genetics.

It isn't helpful to tell people that 500mg's is what one should be gaining off of no matter what. Its wrong.


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: whitewidow on November 10, 2012, 08:41:43 AM
I have stated in previous posts that bodybuilding is a contest of genetics. Regardless, you cannot go pro on 2,000mg or less of gear today (or in this decade...or in the 90s...or in the 80s...) - rather, no one has competed yet with such a genetic response that he could go pro on 2,000mg or less of gear.

The reality of competing at the top level today is you need a lot of anabolic steroids, a lot of growth hormone and a lot of insulin and the best genetics.

It isn't helpful to tell people that 500mg's is what one should be gaining off of no matter what. Its wrong.

Read all the posts about guys asking for a cycle that is meant for just a gym-rat! Not everybody is itching to inject themselves 10 times a day.On the other hand I agree it would take over 2,000mg of gear but not just Test! also I think 500mg of just test is perfectly fine if you are using other compounds. If you have human grade Test No reason using more then 500mg-750mg a week stacked with whatever other steroids you are taking to bulk plus your HGH and slin. All I am saying if you have good genetics you will gain off of a cycle just using 500mg of Test and 1,500 mg of other compounds but not all Test.

It does also depend on what test ester you use. some Test like suspension you have to shoot everyday,same with  Test prop and sust-IMO. Those Test esters have to be shot everyday.

But a long acting Test like Test E you can shoot just 2-3 times a week depending on the mg amount. I would never base a cycle on more then 750mg of test. If you decide to bulk for 14-16 weeks and have some great genetics you will gain using 500-750mg of Test E per week,600mg of deca per week, 700mg of primo enanthate and 50mg of dbol everyday and 50mg of anadrol pre-workout on training days only, plus your HGH and insulin and possibly a anchillery if needed, If you have great genetics and know how to train and diet you will gain some solid muscle off a stack like that.

Hell I gained a little more then 40lbs just using 250-500mg of Test E and 4IU's of serostim. all legit from the pharmacy. the key was my diet! I ate alot of everything! I used a calorie is a calorie mike mentzer method. My BF% did go up from 6% to 12% but 42 lbs is a huge amount of weight to gain in 13 months


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: darkrid3r on November 10, 2012, 09:18:33 AM
Read all the posts about guys asking for a cycle that is meant for just a gym-rat! Not everybody is itching to inject themselves 10 times a day.On the other hand I agree it would take over 2,000mg of gear but not just Test! also I think 500mg of just test is perfectly fine if you are using other compounds. If you have human grade Test No reason using more then 500mg-750mg a week stacked with whatever other steroids you are taking to bulk plus your HGH and slin. All I am saying if you have good genetics you will gain off of a cycle just using 500mg of Test and 1,500 mg of other compounds but not all Test.

It does also depend on what test ester you use. some Test like suspension you have to shoot everyday,same with  Test prop and sust-IMO. Those Test esters have to be shot everyday.

But a long acting Test like Test E you can shoot just 2-3 times a week depending on the mg amount. I would never base a cycle on more then 750mg of test. If you decide to bulk for 14-16 weeks and have some great genetics you will gain using 500-750mg of Test E per week,600mg of deca per week, 700mg of primo enanthate and 50mg of dbol everyday and 50mg of anadrol pre-workout on training days only, plus your HGH and insulin and possibly a anchillery if needed, If you have great genetics and know how to train and diet you will gain some solid muscle off a stack like that.

Hell I gained a little more then 40lbs just using 250-500mg of Test E and 4IU's of serostim. all legit from the pharmacy. the key was my diet! I ate alot of everything! I used a calorie is a calorie mike mentzer method. My BF% did go up from 6% to 12% but 42 lbs is a huge amount of weight to gain in 13 months

I would have to agree with most of this, I have run my test up to 2g week and its nasty sides suck ass.
For me personally its better around 750 with other compounds that dont cause acne etc. HGH, SLIN, non aromatizing test.

I would also agree that you need 2g + of gear to even break into the pros, my coach wants me on 3g week. Im not ready for that yet. I dont want to die, I just want to do a few shows and have fun.

Most gym rats can deal with 500mg week, some tren, eq, sust, test e/c/p whatever. But you start talking GH and they gloss over. In most cases they dont even know what the fuck there putting in their bodies, "oh one mill of sust and 2 ml deca" yeah but whats the dose, "oh im not sure, the dealer told me to take it"

Like fuck pull your head out of your ass.

Diet and training for gym rats 101: learn what you put in your body, do a little research, and chart and log everything. Stop bugging me asking me what im taking if your not willing to listen to my advice :)


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: whitewidow on November 10, 2012, 10:48:46 AM
I would have to agree with most of this, I have run my test up to 2g week and its nasty sides suck ass.
For me personally its better around 750 with other compounds that dont cause acne etc. HGH, SLIN, non aromatizing test.

I would also agree that you need 2g + of gear to even break into the pros, my coach wants me on 3g week. Im not ready for that yet. I dont want to die, I just want to do a few shows and have fun.

Most gym rats can deal with 500mg week, some tren, eq, sust, test e/c/p whatever. But you start talking GH and they gloss over. In most cases they dont even know what the fuck there putting in their bodies, "oh one mill of sust and 2 ml deca" yeah but whats the dose, "oh im not sure, the dealer told me to take it"

Like fuck pull your head out of your ass.

Diet and training for gym rats 101: learn what you put in your body, do a little research, and chart and log everything. Stop bugging me asking me what im taking if your not willing to listen to my advice :)

I agree it really depends on ones goal. some guys on here are real advanced and want to compete,but the majority of guys on here just want a safe gymrat cycle. the guys who are using heavy know what they are doing so there is no need to preach to them. I have seen all these so called pro cycle and most of them are just made up! talk to alot of pros and you will find out they really don't use as much as people on the boards claim they do. But there are the few exceptions and those are usually the pro with shit genetics who does not train as hard as the others and has a shitty diet.


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: Overload on November 10, 2012, 12:46:12 PM
What does 1000-2000mg of test even feel like?  I ran 500 and I felt like king of the world. Can't even imagine 2000mg

It made me very lethargic.

I've ran 5g's of combined AAS before and it's more common than people think. I'm not saying it's a good idea, but i was at my biggest and strongest by a long shot during this time.

I was on about 3g's of combined AAS earlier this year and i felt great. 900mg of Deca works wonders and a lot of people don't understand that what BFG is posting is about as accurate as it gets for upper level body builders. I know guys who use 3000mg of Test a week off and on for years, these guys happen to be the biggest guys i've ever met in person besides a few Pro's.

Just my .02


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Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: OTHstrong on November 10, 2012, 03:52:17 PM
Cmon WW you know the big dogs are on some heavy ass test bro. I am friends with a lot of pros bro and one of my close friends (ifbb) takes 500mg test per day bro, people don't want to believe it but, we are talking the top 100 people on the planet, fucken right they are mega dosing on test and yes it is necessary.


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: Archer77 on November 10, 2012, 04:10:53 PM
It made me very lethargic.

I've ran 5g's of combined AAS before and it's more common than people think. I'm not saying it's a good idea, but i was at my biggest and strongest by a long shot during this time.

I was on about 3g's of combined AAS earlier this year and i felt great. 900mg of Deca works wonders and a lot of people don't understand that what BFG is posting is about as accurate as it gets for upper level body builders. I know guys who use 3000mg of Test a week off and on for years, these guys happen to be the biggest guys i've ever met in person besides a few Pro's.

Just my .02


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Thanks for the info, overload. I suspected some might be taking such high doses but never knew it was so prevalent.  I guess I assumed there was a sort of cap on how much test you could take until you started getting diminishing returns.  What's the differences in gains from 500-1000mg of T in comparison to 3000mg?


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: OTHstrong on November 10, 2012, 04:28:57 PM
Thanks for the info, overload. I suspected some might be taking such high doses but never knew it was so prevalent.  I guess I assumed there was a sort of cap on how much test you could take until you started getting diminishing returns.  What's the differences in gains from 500-1000mg of T in comparison to 3000mg?
it's different for everyone but more test always equals more gains until your body is creating more sides that start interfering in your progress and that is why the gains stop. Basically cause your body can not handle it and for most it is less the 2000mg, but for the genetic freaks that can handle 3000-4000mg of test, believe me they are benefiting from that amount.

I suspect the difference is not in the amount you gain in a short period of time but rather to break through your bodies limits. If 3000 mg of tests has you maxed out at 280 then 4000 might get you to 290. Absolutely no point for someone to start off high.


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: Overload on November 10, 2012, 04:42:59 PM
I concur.

All the guys including myself that used high amounts worked up to it over a period of many years. Some of the guys i know who use these amounts have been using AAS for over 10 years off and on, more time on than off.

There is a point where the sides get out of control, but from what i have personally seen you can deal with it and your body adapts eventually, but not always. Some guys get insane sides while others get nothing. I think this is where a lot of people either up the dosage or realize they need to back off like i did.


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Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: Archer77 on November 10, 2012, 05:38:20 PM
I concur.

All the guys including myself that used high amounts worked up to it over a period of many years. Some of the guys i know who use these amounts have been using AAS for over 10 years off and on, more time on than off.

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This was to be my follow up question.  Thanks Overload/Onetimehard for the responses. 


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: OTHstrong on November 10, 2012, 06:38:00 PM
I concur.

All the guys including myself that used high amounts worked up to it over a period of many years. Some of the guys i know who use these amounts have been using AAS for over 10 years off and on, more time on than off.

There is a point where the sides get out of control, but from what i have personally seen you can deal with it and your body adapts eventually, but not always. Some guys get insane sides while others get nothing. I think this is where a lot of people either up the dosage or realize they need to back off like i did.


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I have been enjoying a lot your post's lately, I almost have never witness you post something I would disagree with.

As for large amounts of test with me it's like I haven't had the opportunity to benefit from it yet cause of all the time off I have had in the last 4 years, but now that I am back in full swing will probably reach 2500mg of test and probably exceed 4 grams of total gear as I plan on heading into new territory this time around and I am 30 years old so I my body has had plenty of experience and can handle it so........
 
here is my advise to everyone, do not up your test unless you are going into new territory, I would suggest the increase in test is only beneficial to those who want to surpass their previous limits and not to simply accomplish something in a specific period of time.


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: njflex on November 10, 2012, 06:45:39 PM
I have been enjoying a lot your post's lately, I almost have never witness you post something I would disagree with.

As for large amounts of test with me it's like I haven't had the opportunity to benefit from it yet cause of all the time off I have had in the last 4 years, but now that I am back in full swing will probably reach 2500mg of test and probably exceed 4 grams of total gear as I plan on heading into new territory this time around and I am 30 years old so I my body has had plenty of experience and can handle it so........
 
here is my advise to everyone, do not up your test unless you are going into new territory, I would suggest the increase in test is only beneficial to those who want to surpass their previous limits and not to simply accomplish something in a specific period of time.
:o,,,will be possible epic my friend,,,


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: whitewidow on November 11, 2012, 05:24:36 AM
Cmon WW you know the big dogs are on some heavy ass test bro. I am friends with a lot of pros bro and one of my close friends (ifbb) takes 500mg test per day bro, people don't want to believe it but, we are talking the top 100 people on the planet, fucken right they are mega dosing on test and yes it is necessary.

Yes but that is for guys who have been using gear for years and want to go pro!after a certain amount it just is going to do more harm in the long run. I of course know bodybuilders who use a few grams of Test a week but it does depends on the ester. Those guys are also risking alot!  people can go pro using just a few grams of anabolics stacked properly with their HGH and insulin. You start feeling like a pin cushion if you are using 5 grams of gear plus HGH and slin. believe it or not guys have gone pro using just a few grams of anabolics and HGH/insulin and a few orals to bulk, then they jump on a few grams of Tren,masteron and lower doses of Test. most of them also lower their HGH dosage as well.
No matter what genetics is going to be the key on how one respods.

I have seen guys make the same gains on 2 grams of anabolics as guys using 5 grams of anabolics. most of the guys using the gram dosages were african american. not trying to be racist but they seem to have the best response I have seen, compared to white males. I saw a african american male make better gains in a month then most white guys made all year! I was amazed. what took some of these guys at my gym 6-12 months to accomplish this african american guy made the same or better gains in 6 weeks. He just had crazy genetics and response to anabolics and HGH/slin. His strength gains were nutts as well as the size he put on!


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: LATS on November 11, 2012, 10:34:52 PM
Well. Been around quite a while. I know many that use that much and many that don't.. We have to assume many will lie in regards to usage also.. But I can tell ya from my experience yes high dosages ofmtestnwork great.. But my pecker will not work for,shit whe I go above 400 Mgs or so of test.. I can run aromasin ect and still have issues.. Gotta watch that E2 levels..lol


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: Van_Bilderass on November 12, 2012, 06:11:05 AM
BFG and others say gh15's advice is dangerous, yet gh5 has said one shouldn't need more than a couple of grams of steroids to turn pro, when used in conjunction with a good dose of GH, I think he said like 10iu of HG growth.

And then you look at BFG's stacks.

Who is giving "dangerous" advice here? If gh15 is lying and BFG is right, then gh15 is minimizing the drug doses needed. Who would have thought, gh15 recommending too few drugs.  ::)



Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: Overload on November 12, 2012, 10:46:26 AM
BFG and others say gh15's advice is dangerous, yet gh5 has said one shouldn't need more than a couple of grams of steroids to turn pro, when used in conjunction with a good dose of GH, I think he said like 10iu of HG growth.

And then you look at BFG's stacks.

Who is giving "dangerous" advice here? If gh15 is lying and BFG is right, then gh15 is minimizing the drug doses needed. Who would have thought, gh15 recommending too few drugs.  ::)

The difference is that BFG has actually done what he preaches and people know he's a legit competitor. The other is a gimmick who changes his protocols every 2 weeks and has never competed on a body building stage.

Both protocol's are not good for your health.


8)


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: BFG on November 12, 2012, 01:52:19 PM
BFG and others say gh15's advice is dangerous, yet gh5 has said one shouldn't need more than a couple of grams of steroids to turn pro, when used in conjunction with a good dose of GH, I think he said like 10iu of HG growth.

And then you look at BFG's stacks.

Who is giving "dangerous" advice here? If gh15 is lying and BFG is right, then gh15 is minimizing the drug doses needed. Who would have thought, gh15 recommending too few drugs.  ::)



I never said gh15's advice was dangerous, I said it was nonsensical and simply incorrect. His drug protocols and diet advice on how to achieve pro size were plain wrong.

I have regularly stated there is nothing healthy about bodybuilding. Chances are if one's goal is "health" he or she wouldn't be sticking a needle 1.5 inches into their body to inject an oil laced with heavy metal contaminants from china that is probably produced in the bathtub of a random gym rat.


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: OTHstrong on November 12, 2012, 02:55:57 PM
BFG and others say gh15's advice is dangerous, yet gh5 has said one shouldn't need more than a couple of grams of steroids to turn pro, when used in conjunction with a good dose of GH, I think he said like 10iu of HG growth.

And then you look at BFG's stacks.

Who is giving "dangerous" advice here? If gh15 is lying and BFG is right, then gh15 is minimizing the drug doses needed. Who would have thought, gh15 recommending too few drugs.  ::)


Bro ''giving dangerous advise'' is not the point here and never has been really, people want to know what people do at the top levels and BFG is only stating what he has witnessed is necessary to get to these levels, if some clown claims it could be done with 1 third the gear BFG is stating then that's his stupidity for being so naive, in the meantime I appreciate BFG insight.

Gh15 is just a google king and read a few books on anabolics, nothing more. Not one thing he ever said taught me anything I did not already know or nothing anyone can learn from reading a steroid book. He is not a pro, we dedicated a 50 page thread on him showing us his pro card and he did not deliver, some one with an ego like his would have showed us the card in a heart beat.


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: Van_Bilderass on November 12, 2012, 04:54:12 PM
The difference is that BFG has actually done what he preaches and people know he's a legit competitor.

So you know who BFG is? How do you know? His style looks very similar to "Gavin Kane" to me.
Don't know if it's him, just noticed the similarity.

At first he said he's the guru, then he said it's his friend who showed all these written down cycles to him.




Not one thing he ever said taught me anything I did not already know or nothing anyone can learn from reading a steroid book.

And what have you learned from BFG? If you're a competitor or involved in the sport the answer is: nothing. BFG's cycles are exactly the type you would find in a steroid manual. gh15's cycles didn't resemble anything I've read about and they weren't presented in a way you would read about in a book. Show me which book says you can re-use needles dozens of times no problem. :D

gh15 couldn't prove he was a pro. Let's see BFG prove he's "real", and not just another drug dealer playing guru on the net.


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: OTHstrong on November 12, 2012, 05:02:05 PM
So you know who BFG is? How do you know? His style looks very similar to "Gavin Kane" to me.
Don't know if it's him, just noticed the similarity.

At first he said he's the guru, then he said it's his friend who showed all these written down cycles to him.




And what have you learned from BFG? If you're a competitor or involved in the sport the answer is: nothing. BFG's cycles are exactly the type you would find in a steroid manual. gh15's cycles didn't resemble anything I've read about and they weren't presented in a way you would read about in a book. Show me which book says you can re-use needles dozens of times no problem. :D

gh15 couldn't prove he was a pro. Let's see BFG prove he's "real", and not just another drug dealer playing guru on the net.
First of all, I have learned a few things from him, second he owns a big site, a valuable one at that, does not need to come here for some petty financial gain, like brokeass15, who nickle and dimes and scams, just all around scum.


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: Van_Bilderass on November 12, 2012, 05:09:09 PM
First of all, I have learned a few things from him, second he owns a big site, a valuable one at that, does not need to come here for some petty financial gain, like brokeass15, who nickle and dimes and scams, just all around scum.

Do you know who it is? You don't have to tell me who, just tell me if you know.

BFG also said that it's well known who gh15 is. BFG, who is gh15? Or is it a secret you can't talk about? :D

hes just some guy that works in the bodybuilding industry. Never placed in a show beyond junior nationals, and that was a long time ago.

Amazing that others haven't figured it out then and dropped the name here. I can't remember anyone pointing at someone in the industry who used to be a low-level competitor.


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: OTHstrong on November 12, 2012, 05:25:02 PM
Do you know who it is? You don't have to tell me who, just tell me if you know.

BFG also said that it's well known who gh15 is. BFG, who is gh15? Or is it a secret you can't talk about? :D

Amazing that others haven't figured it out then and dropped the name here. I can't remember anyone pointing at someone in the industry who used to be a low-level competitor.

I don't have to know his identity to know he is a valuable person on a valuable site( his site) who many respect, including IFBB pros.

GH15 is the laughing stock of bodybuilding, I practically live at bodybuilding shows so I am on stage at hundreds of them and I am back stage a lot, as my job requires me to do so, with the competitors and I swear on God's green earth bro, mark my words, I will die right now if I am lying but the general view is he is a clown and a scam artist, yes back stage at all the major shows he is talked about in group discussions and he is mocked, ridiculed and laughed at big time, he is the bodybuilding cult's Peewee Herman, a laughing stock. His rep is such as a loser, egomaniac, bullshitter from hell and biggest scammer in the industry, wake the fuck up bro.

Oh and before you start saying he is mighty and great cause he is popular and talked about and he is inside people's head, lmao OK, the most popular person in the US was Mr. Campton with his end of the world prophesy, he to was popular and talked ABOUT, LOL


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: Van_Bilderass on November 12, 2012, 05:39:23 PM
I don't have to know his identity to know he is a valuable person on a valuable site( his site) who many respect, including IFBB pros.

GH15 is the laughing stock of bodybuilding, I practically live at bodybuilding shows so I am on stage at hundreds of them and I am back stage a lot, as my job requires me to do so, with the competitors and I swear on God's green earth bro, mark my words, I will die right now if I am lying but the general view is he is a clown and a scam artist, yes back stage at all the major shows he is talked about in group discussions and he is mocked, ridiculed and laughed at big time, he is the bodybuilding cult's Peewee Herman, a laughing stock. His rep is such as a loser, egomaniac, bullshitter from hell and biggest scammer in the industry, wake the fuck up bro.

Oh and before you start saying he is mighty and great cause he is popular and talked about and he is inside people's head, lmao OK, the most popular person in the US was Mr. Campton with his end of the world prophesy, he to was popular and talked ABOUT, LOL

I don't give a shit who respects who, it doesn't matter to me.

I just said gh15 couldn't prove who he was, but now I'm asking if BFG can do it since people say he's definitely legit. I'm simply curious as to who BFG is and if his claimed contest placings and other credentials are legit. I want to know if there's a connection to "Gavin Kane" or any other keyboard warrior we have seen.
And since he also claims to know who gh15 is maybe he could drop the name... I mean why not?


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: OTHstrong on November 12, 2012, 05:46:32 PM
Oh my bad then, I thought you were one of the elves  :-\


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: a_ahmed on November 12, 2012, 05:49:38 PM
lol @ pewee herman haha


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: whitewidow on November 13, 2012, 04:52:01 AM
I think it really is genetics based. every bodybuilder who is going to compete or wants to go pro is going to have to use top notch drugs and some with sweet genetics can get by with HGH 6-8IU's, Insulin, and a mix of 2,000mg of Test,Deca,primo, 50mg dbol,50mg anadrol for the first 4-6 weeks

then some use double that but have weaker genetics and shitty diet habits and training habits. The best scenario I can give is the african american guy I know who used HGH/slin  anf 2grams of anabolics and these other white guys used 4-5grams of anabolic and HGH/insulin at higher levels and this african american guy with crazy genetics blew them away! He started his cycle 4 months before these white guys and when they were 6 months in the african american guy looed better and he was only 6-8 weeks in! Plus he was lifting heavier weights then any of the white guys megadosing. So response to hormones is #1 second comes the quality of steroids and HGH you are using.



Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: darkrid3r on November 13, 2012, 09:16:19 AM
I think were getting a little off topic here. ITs not about who posted what, who is better than whom, who is getting talked about and what not.

Its about safe steroid use, from the ground to the top pros. Its all different for everyone.

Here is my 2 cents, and im going to leave it at this.....

1-5 years, not over 2 grams combined. WHY? They barely know how to diet let alone what drugs to take
Diet, Training, Rest, Drugs.

We all play with doses, drug types and when to take them, its not the same for everyone. I like to call it bro science, its just a bunch of guys yacking try this, try that blah blah blah. 500mg of test e/c/p is a lot, more than most need to grow. If your running 500 and working on your diet, you can do some very good things. Sure your not going to be pro, but its about learning how to eat and rest and train not the drugs, they are just a bonus for most gym rats. Sure you blow up and get huge on 2g but you loose it when you stop, because you dont know how to eat to maintain your frame, or your stopped cold turkey without your natty test being turned on first. So many things to learn in this first few years its crazy. These guys are paying stupid street prices for gear. Way to high and we all  know it.


5-7 years, these guys are the more serious builders, 500mg test is their minimum, they never go off, they are doctor monitored, diet is on track 80% of the time. 2g is hardly a building phase, they know about good GH, they have access to half decent drugs etc. They have most likely done a few shows and are familiar with the industry as a whole.

10+ These guys also do 500mg week minimum, blast and cruise, these guys know their shit, you know them in the gym when you see them, they will NOT give up any secrets, they wont give you sources etc. If your lucky they will help you with diet but your going to pay them. Dont bother them, they will yell at you in the gym hehe. They have access to most everything either pharma grade or top notch stuff, they dont pay high prices, they dont play the political games and bull shit. They eat, train, rest and do a "LITTLE" of everything hehe. (I know several IFBB pros, most of them are regular joes, some angry and wont give you the time of day unless there is something in it for them which is too bad)


For the most part, 90% of the people on the internet are NOT in category 3, they are in 1, researching, learning and trying to understand the "BRO SCIENCE"

I always tailor any cycle on the side of NOOBISHNESS without big words. The guys in my gym say "1cc of this and 1cc of that" when you ask them how many MG it is they have no fucking clue what they take. "oh the dealer told me to run it this way"
They dont know what an ester is, they dont know what half life means, they dont know anything.
They dont get blood work, they dont eat right "diet coke and a bag of MnMs is my mid morning snack"
They use this as the magic pill. and Their aint one. then they wonder why your shredded all the time, bother you in the gym because their magic protocol is not working.

ME personally as a show level bodybuilder in the amateur field have an obligation to set these people straight, to make them understand that just because you take this stuff does not mean that your going to explode over night, that you have to still put in the work to get there.

no drug will save you from your own mind
no volume of HGH will save you from your own crappy diet

I am not a pro, nor do I ever think I will be, we all like to dream but im also not about to jam 5g of gear in my ass to make it there "yet" muahahhahaha

These people need to understand they need to make it out of 1-5 years first, build a good base, play with diet and training and rest, use a minimum of steroids before they do some harm to themselves and blame the industry for their own stupidity.


Now I have to apologize for a long post, more of a rant than a post.


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: BodyMachine on November 13, 2012, 07:43:10 PM
Not to disagree or derail the thread, but I think it depends on the person and their genetic response to hormones. I've been on 450mg test for at least 5 weeks and prior to that was in the 300-350mg range for months, and honestly the change from the dose increase has been disappointing. It seems some people need large amounts to grow. I'm going to try 600mg test and see how it goes. I've also been on 600mg EQ and about 4iu hgh. Unless my expectations are not realistic, the results kind of make me want to throw the towel in.


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: Van_Bilderass on November 18, 2012, 04:01:19 PM
The difference is that BFG has actually done what he preaches and people know he's a legit competitor.

Bump for Overload. Who are the people who know BFG is a legit competitor? Onetimehard didn't even know.

Who will vouch for him, who will say they know who it is?



I was a top 3 placing national competitor in my twenties. I placed second in my weight class (super heavyweight) a number of times at the national level, effectively just missing an IFBB pro card. I stopped competing because I wanted to raise a family in good health. I am still well immersed in the bodybuilding industry, and while I stopped a couple years ago, I spent nearly a decade giving hormone advice to competitors as a "guru."



So, more than one 2nd place at the nationals? Well known guru? Overload, will you back up these competitive credentials he claims to have?


Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: Overload on November 18, 2012, 05:51:34 PM
I was told who he was by someone credible. I'm not certain it's true, but it makes sense.

I don't vouch for him, but his information is the most accurate i have seen based on what i know and what top level users actually do. I have been around people who do and preach exactly what BFG says and that means something, so i vouch for his information 100%.

If he turns out to be a gimmick like gh15 i will be the first to admit it.


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Title: Re: Testosterone, Trenbolone and other Anabolic Drugs: Correct Use Explained
Post by: Van_Bilderass on November 19, 2012, 04:08:26 PM
I was told who he was by someone credible. I'm not certain it's true, but it makes sense.

I don't vouch for him, but his information is the most accurate i have seen based on what i know and what top level users actually do. I have been around people who do and preach exactly what BFG says and that means something, so i vouch for his information 100%.

If he turns out to be a gimmick like gh15 i will be the first to admit it.


8)

Alright, an honest response. Thanks.

I wish someone would PM me his supposed identity, especially since it's apparently known by many. I just want to know if my hunches are correct. :D