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I turn your idea on its head.
Discuss.
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If Weider principles worked, everyone would be swole by now
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I turn your idea on its head.
Discuss.
the point of socialism is not the acquisition of wealth
socialism works
welcome to canada
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Socialism invariably ends up with everyone being poor because it doesn't capitalize on and even removes the number one thing driving people, egocentrism.
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the point of socialism is not the acquisition of wealth
socialism works
welcome to canada
Exactly! Lol, just stupid.
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Canada is hardly socialistic. North Korea is socialistic.
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If Socialism worked...
There would be a ruling Elite that would never lose its wealth or power.
While people from the working class would never be able to rise to Elite status or achieve wealth by their effort or competence in any given field.
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Canada is hardly socialistic. North Korea is socialistic.
there are degrees of socialism... like anything else...
canada is a socialist/capitalist country with a representative democratic political system
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Come to Austria - everyone's a billionaire thanks to the arabic socialist party aka SPÖ.
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Socialism is regulations on private business. It is not taxation or welfare programs and it is not government ownership of industry.
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Taxation and welfare programs are components of a social welfare state. Government ownership of industry is communism. Socialism is some different than those two things, althou you can mix the three if you want
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Regulations = socialism. ... Not a single modern country that isnt
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Taxation and welfare programs are components of a social welfare state. Government ownership of industry is communism. Socialism is some different than those two things, althou you can mix the three if you want
If I'm not too mistaken, communism's goal is to to be rid of the government. Any stages prior to that goal weren't really supposed to be called "communism", in fact I think the Soviets referred their own state as socialism aiming for communism.
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Socialism is regulations on private business. It is not taxation or welfare programs and it is not government ownership of industry.
socialism is an economic system in which the means of production are socially/co-operatively or state owned and goods and services are provided for direct use rather than for private profit.
regulations on private business are errr...regulations on private business, they exist to some degree in any economic system.
imo a system that balances capitalism and socialism works best. most enterprises are more productive when privately owned. but i believe certain areas like healthcare work better when state or co-operatively owned.
for instance in the US roughly 20% of gdp is spent annually on healthcare and you still have millions of people ineligible for care , whereas in most of europe we spend around half that figure on state run health services and everyone has cover.
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socialism=poor cry babys that needs leg ups.....untill they actually earn a penny by luck toward the end of their lives then they become penny pinching conservatives they despised earlier on in life ;D ;D
the universe will forgive u all :-\
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Communism is government/public ownership of all industry and the abolishion of private property. Marx wasn't clear about what kind of bureaucracy be in place. Socialism is a term used to describe a free market system with regulations to ensure socially responsible behavior in business
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Communism is government/public ownership of all industry and the abolishion of private property. Marx wasn't clear about what kind of bureaucracy be in place. Socialism is a term used to describe a free market system with regulations to ensure socially responsible behavior in business
If you don't mind I'd like to see some source that backs your view. I don't claim to be an expert on this matter but a quick search gave me this for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Communism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Communism)
Communism is a political ideology that seeks to establish a future without social class or formalized state structure....// However, communism as a political goal generally is a conjectured form of future social organization which has never been implemented.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_purpose_of_communism (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_purpose_of_communism)
In its ideal form, social classes cease to exist, there is no coercive governmental structures, and everyone lives in abundance without supervision from a ruling class.
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First minute or so of this clip also brings a different perspective
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socialism=poor cry babys that needs leg ups.....untill they actually earn a penny by luck toward the end of their lives then they become penny pinching conservatives they despised earlier on in life ;D ;D
the universe will forgive u all :-\
I can't stand this partisan bullshit, its all about idealizing a political system when in the end both are rather problematic.
Taxing is always wasteful, yet the rich leech off of society. It's pretty basic problem.
There really shouldn't be private property in an ideal society, and there shouldn't be a wasteful government in the way of productivity.
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I'm posting on my phone.. Read Karl Marx communist manifesto. The essential and single trait of communism is the end of private property and the public ownership of industry. I am not sure but I don't think Marx says anything about government however there would need to be some organized public bureaucracy to rig industry and distribution. What you quoted above, abolishion of hocenment' just sounds like anarchy.
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I'm posting on my phone.. Read Karl Marx communist manifesto. The essential and single trait of communism is the end of private property and the public ownership of industry. I am not sure but I don't think Marx says anything about government however there would need to be some organized public bureaucracy to rig industry and distribution. What you quoted above, abolishion of hocenment' just sounds like anarchy.
Meh I don't care for ideology. Anyhow I think government regulation is the key. Can't stand all this freedom nonsense, so I ain't much of an anarachist.
Our society is run on some narcissistic view that humans can make rational unbiased decisions for themselves, when the reality is they simply can't. If this were so advertising would not exist.
It's either mob rule, or rule by some supposed superior human. In virtually every state in history this has been pretty much the case and neither is any good.
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I am pro freedom and pro anarchy. Well, a government would be good but only if it was only for military and welfare programs including education and infrastructure thoug the key ingredient would be that it gets its revenue fromFolintset donationz only and donors choose which program thair money goes too
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RAtard sure does like his "Modify" button.. but who doesn't? ;D
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No taxes no coercion. And leave criminal justice up to society to deal with in whatever way they are fit. The market for crime and punishment would balance itself out better than our legal system does
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Do you understand what socialism is?
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Do you understand what socialism is?
its clear from his earlier posts he doesn't. he thinks socialism is some form of private business regulatory system, when in fact socialism is an economic ideology that doesn't believe in private enterprise in the first place.
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the point of socialism is not the acquisition of wealth
socialism works
welcome to canada
your concept of socialism appears to be..... capitalism?
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Capitalism allowed guys like Bill Gates, Ted Turner and Warren Buffet to become extremely rich and powerful. And now these three men(among others) are using their money and power to impose depopulation agenda(agenda 21) on the world. Regardless what you think of the depopulation movement, something just doesn't seem right that men like this would be the ones heading the charge. These people are absolutely cut throat in the business world. A win at all cost attitude.
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I just don't buy the whole redistribution of wealth school of thought. I know most here are reasonably intelligent folks and think that the real reason people are poor is because some robber baron at the top is holding everybody down, but that's not the truth. Some people are not as intelligent and are meant to be ditch diggers/burger flippers etc. It's not pretty, but it is the truth. I get that you may feel sorry for people that you deem underprivileged, but most are there because of their own poor decisions. I get it, but life is just not fair, and you can't restrict/hinder someone else because you don't want a class gap to develop.
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Yea bill gates? The guy spending hundreds of millionz to help save the lives of people in Africa, is trying to depopulate the world
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the point of socialism is not the acquisition of wealth
socialism works
welcome to canada
Exactly, I don't know why people think they ever have to be a billionaire.
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Yea bill gates? The guy spending hundreds of millionz to help save the lives of people in Africa, is trying to depopulate the world
Putting these people on a pedestal because of the amount of money they are spending is dangerous imop
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Exactly, I don't know why people think they ever have to be a billionaire.
They're sociopaths who want to rule the world. When we see a human who weighs 500+ pounds, we see that the person is mentally sick. Can't stop eating etc. No different imop with people who never have enough.
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Its not about the money its about the support of a cause. If your actively putting slot of effort into something, I find it less likely your going to he consciously putting effort into another cause that is coontee productive to the first
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"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
Winston Churchill
Dominique Strauss-Kahn, former IMF head and Socialist Party member seeking France's presidency, was staying at the ritzy Sofitel New York Hotel in NYC when allegations arose that he had sexually assaulted a maid. This socialist was staying at a room that cost nearly $3000 a night. Some socialist.
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the point of socialism is not the acquisition of wealth
socialism works
welcome to canada
Canada doesn't even matter on the map
Hope this helps
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Canada doesn't even matter on the map
Hope this helps
;D Reminds me of that pic that says at the bottom "how Texas sees the rest of the world" and shows Texas, then the rest of the US is labeled as "Canada"
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your concept of socialism appears to be..... capitalism?
moderate socialism allows for capitalism.... with lots of regulation and taxation
Canada doesn't even matter on the map
Hope this helps
we live happier lives than american'ts... that's all that matters
;D Reminds me of that pic that says at the bottom "how Texas sees the rest of the world" and shows Texas, then the rest of the US is labeled as "Canada"
texas is a nice state full of awful people...
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That last clip of Gates is mildly unsettling...
"With the help of new vaccines, health care, and reproductive services, we can lower that (population) by 10-15%" - Straight from Bill Gates' mouth.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
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Canada doesn't even matter on the map
Hope this helps
Lol as if anyone up here cares. When the internet age hit people stopped giving fuck about the states.
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The problem isn't capitalism, it is corporate greed .
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The problem isn't capitalism, it is corporate greed .
Fixed
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moderate socialism allows for capitalism.... with lots of regulation and taxation
we live happier lives than american'ts... that's all that matters
texas is a nice state full of awful people...
Hey don't talk about walker texas ranger that way aka chuck norris >:(
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They're sociopaths who want to rule the world. When we see a human who weighs 500+ pounds, we see that the person is mentally sick. Can't stop eating etc. No different imop with people who never have enough.
I wonder if the 80,000 or so Bill Gates employed would agree? wealth creators are also job creators
Pure socialism is completely at odds with human nature, we are naturally competitive ,socialism takes away the carrot(wealth) to compete. Rather than drag those at the bottom up it drags everyone down to the bottom.
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Good point conker.
Bank executive receives what the media would portray as disproportionate £1m bonus.
He goes home and tells his wife, (who naturally delays her plans to leave him for a few months at least) and she suggests they go out to buy the new bentley continental and £100k diamond necklace she wanted.
On the way to the jewelry store, they pop into the travel agents and buy a £10k holiday to barbados.
The bentley salesman is over the moon when they drive off the forecourt with their new £250k car, and he rings his wife to give her the good news that he's reached his commision target this month and has an extra £2000 so they can get the extension to the back of their house.
While the bank executive is getting a well earned BJ from his wife on the driveway, the car salesman is phoning a local builder to get a quote on the building work to his home, they agree a price of £5000 for the work to be done.
1 week later and the work is completed, their new playroom looks lovely and they spend £500 on a new PC for the kids to use in their new space.
The builder goes home and throws £5000 cash on the table, and his wife's eyes light up immediatley. Before she can utter a word, he places his finger over her lip and whispers "Yes sweetheart, that makes £20,000 we can afford the downpayment on our first mortgage with Halifax bank, i'll call the adviser in the morning"
"Why don't we get a takeaway tonight honey, what do you fancy?"
"Let's get indian" she replies.
30 minutes later a young indian appears at the front door with the food, and they generously tip him £20 and tell him to have a drink on them tonight.
Little do they know, he needs that £20 for a better reason than a drink. He finishes his last delivery at around 12:30am and heads home to get a well earned rest, but before he turns out the light to sleep he sends a text to his cousin simply reading "Don't worry about groceries this week, i'll drop some round in the morning my treat".
DONT TELL ME CAPITALISM IS BULLSHIT YOU GREEDY FREELOADING MOTHERFUCKERS.
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That last clip of Gates is mildly unsettling...
"With the help of new vaccines, health care, and reproductive services, we can lower that (population) by 10-15%" - Straight from Bill Gates' mouth.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
There are quite a few Doctors who won't use certain vaccines on their children. Dr. Oz is one of them however he never really comes out and says that. He says he stays out of it and leaves it up to his wife who is against it.
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Good point conker.
Bank executive receives what the media would portray as disproportionate £1m bonus.
He goes home and tells his wife, (who naturally delays her plans to leave him for a few months at least) and she suggests they go out to buy the new bentley continental and £100k diamond necklace she wanted.
On the way to the jewelry store, they pop into the travel agents and buy a £10k holiday to barbados.
The bentley salesman is over the moon when they drive off the forecourt with their new £250k car, and he rings his wife to give her the good news that he's reached his commision target this month and has an extra £2000 so they can get the extension to the back of their house.
While the bank executive is getting a well earned BJ from his wife on the driveway, the car salesman is phoning a local builder to get a quote on the building work to his home, they agree a price of £5000 for the work to be done.
1 week later and the work is completed, their new playroom looks lovely and they spend £500 on a new PC for the kids to use in their new space.
The builder goes home and throws £5000 cash on the table, and his wife's eyes light up immediatley. Before she can utter a word, he places his finger over her lip and whispers "Yes sweetheart, that makes £20,000 we can afford the downpayment on our first mortgage with Halifax bank, i'll call the adviser in the morning"
"Why don't we get a takeaway tonight honey, what do you fancy?"
"Let's get indian" she replies.
30 minutes later a young indian appears at the front door with the food, and they generously tip him £20 and tell him to have a drink on them tonight.
Little do they know, he needs that £20 for a better reason than a drink. He finishes his last delivery at around 12:30am and heads home to get a well earned rest, but before he turns out the light to sleep he sends a text to his cousin simply reading "Don't worry about groceries this week, i'll drop some round in the morning my treat".
DONT TELL ME CAPITALISM IS BULLSHIT YOU GREEDY FREELOADING MOTHERFUCKERS.
What's the endgame of Capitalism?
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Without private property there can be no private life - Benjamin Tucker
Without private property "the people" become the new tyrannt". - Leo Tolstoy
Voluntary association is the only path to freedom. Taxation is force. Government is force.
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Without private property there can be no private life - Benjamin Tucker
Without private property "the people" become the new tyrannt". - Leo Tolstoy
Voluntary association is the only path to freedom. Taxation is force. Government is force.
Ted Turner owns over 2,000,000(million :o) acres of land in America. This is a guy who wants to cut 1/3rd of the population today.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313607,00.html
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Ted Turner owns over 2,000,000(million :o) acres of land in America. This is a guy who wants to cut 1/3rd of the population today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Turner
He also gave 1 Billion dollars to the United Nations years ago. At the time, that was 1/3 his wealth. hmmm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Turner
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the point of socialism is not the acquisition of wealth
socialism works
welcome to canada
un canada is a taxistan without a defense budget to speak of due to its lucky location whos going into debt from its commy med care system
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Socialism is regulations on private business. It is not taxation or welfare programs and it is not government ownership of industry.
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socialism was forced to admit it could never come close to capitalist production so it changed to blood suck offa capitalism or vampirism I guess