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Title: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: tommywishbone on November 13, 2012, 11:39:08 PM
My friend, " This photo (the one below) was taken in October, 1980. Ed Conners flew myself, Bob Reis, and Charles down for this picture. I believe it was just for a Gold's Gym promo-memrobilia shot. It was a fun day. The thing I remember most about this day was Mike and Ray Mentzer's 2/12 hour back workout with Denny Miloy at the same time they were promoting "The Heavy Duty training philosophy". This was basically 20 minutes tops per bodypart, forced and negative reps/ super intense- like 3 movements max- 2 sets each. Let's just say the workout they performed that afternoon, wasn't exactly like the book. I actually teased Mike about this in early 91' when he guest posed for us in the Nor Cal. I remember, he looked at me and said it was just a break in their normal routine. I don't think he appreciated my inquiry.


My friend, "It was a fun afternoon. They couldn't get Lou off Santa Monica Blvd. talking to passer bys. The Mentzer's had just finished a 2 1/2 hour back workout after having heavily promoted their new " Heavy Duty Training Principles" book, which was 20 minutes per bodypart with forced and negative reps. Short and sweet/ very intense. Those days were the best. Ken Waller was an animal. I wish Casey Viator was in the pic. He was the first guy I ever saw training there, and he was a beast. 365 smith machine inclines slow and controlled."


Also: "This was Santa Monica Gold's. The Mecca. 2nd and Santa Monica. Robert Blake owned the building next to the old Pussycat theater. I never saw Baretta down there though. They must have been current on their rent. "


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: 240 is Back on November 13, 2012, 11:39:58 PM
The Mentzer's had just finished a 2 1/2 hour back workout after having heavily promoted their new " Heavy Duty Training Principles" book, which was 20 minutes per bodypart with forced and negative reps.

those books really make it look so appealing.  they make great sense scientifically.


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: Wiggs on November 13, 2012, 11:48:12 PM
Cool pic man.  The good ol' days.  Wish I was old enough then.


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: BigCyp on November 14, 2012, 12:09:49 AM
The Mentzer bros always have that dense look to the muscle, most other pros in the pic look very bloofy


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: dj181 on November 14, 2012, 12:16:33 AM
Mentzer=surname of Germanic orgin TOPS


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: nevertrustanyone on November 14, 2012, 12:23:13 AM
Cool pic man.  The good ol' days.  Wish I was old enough then.
back then guys like you had to use a separate bath room  ;D


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: bigjim on November 14, 2012, 01:44:13 AM
My friend, " This photo (the one below) was taken in October, 1980. Ed Conners flew myself, Bob Reis, and Charles down for this picture. I believe it was just for a Gold's Gym promo-memrobilia shot. It was a fun day. The thing I remember most about this day was Mike and Ray Mentzer's 2/12 hour back workout with Denny Miloy at the same time they were promoting "The Heavy Duty training philosophy". This was basically 20 minutes tops per bodypart, forced and negative reps/ super intense- like 3 movements max- 2 sets each. Let's just say the workout they performed that afternoon, wasn't exactly like the book. I actually teased Mike about this in early 91' when he guest posed for us in the Nor Cal. I remember, he looked at me and said it was just a break in their normal routine. I don't think he appreciated my inquiry.


My friend, "It was a fun afternoon. They couldn't get Lou off Santa Monica Blvd. talking to passer bys. The Mentzer's had just finished a 2 1/2 hour back workout after having heavily promoted their new " Heavy Duty Training Principles" book, which was 20 minutes per bodypart with forced and negative reps. Short and sweet/ very intense. Those days were the best. Ken Waller was an animal. I wish Casey Viator was in the pic. He was the first guy I ever saw training there, and he was a beast. 365 smith machine inclines slow and controlled."


Also: "This was Santa Monica Gold's. The Mecca. 2nd and Santa Monica. Robert Blake owned the building next to the old Pussycat theater. I never saw Baretta down there though. They must have been current on their rent. "

See Arnold has moved on to make his millions and left all the weirdos behind. Just isnt the same without him as the central focal point


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: hazbin on November 14, 2012, 03:55:57 AM
My friend, " This photo (the one below) was taken in October, 1980. Ed Conners flew myself, Bob Reis, and Charles down for this picture. I believe it was just for a Gold's Gym promo-memrobilia shot. It was a fun day. The thing I remember most about this day was Mike and Ray Mentzer's 2/12 hour back workout with Denny Miloy at the same time they were promoting "The Heavy Duty training philosophy". This was basically 20 minutes tops per bodypart, forced and negative reps/ super intense- like 3 movements max- 2 sets each. Let's just say the workout they performed that afternoon, wasn't exactly like the book. I actually teased Mike about this in early 91' when he guest posed for us in the Nor Cal. I remember, he looked at me and said it was just a break in their normal routine. I don't think he appreciated my inquiry.


My friend, "It was a fun afternoon. They couldn't get Lou off Santa Monica Blvd. talking to passer bys. The Mentzer's had just finished a 2 1/2 hour back workout after having heavily promoted their new " Heavy Duty Training Principles" book, which was 20 minutes per bodypart with forced and negative reps. Short and sweet/ very intense. Those days were the best. Ken Waller was an animal. I wish Casey Viator was in the pic. He was the first guy I ever saw training there, and he was a beast. 365 smith machine inclines slow and controlled."


Also: "This was Santa Monica Gold's. The Mecca. 2nd and Santa Monica. Robert Blake owned the building next to the old Pussycat theater. I never saw Baretta down there though. They must have been current on their rent. "

do you have the biggest neck in that pic? ;D


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: Borracho on November 14, 2012, 04:01:13 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=447910.0;attach=492012;image)

Amazing how all these guys had their hair and look like respectable human beings..


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: oldtimer1 on November 14, 2012, 06:47:42 AM
I keep hearing from various guys that watched Mentzer and Viator train. They said Viator trained with a lot of volume yet all you hear from the high intensity crowd is about HIT. Mentzer is the same thing. Mentzer wasn't a volume guy but he was seen lifting with more sets than what he wrote about. Maybe it was warm up sets? I know Yates use to warm up sometimes with a couple of easy sets prior to his one work set.


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: gracie bjj on November 14, 2012, 06:54:57 AM
very good time in bodybuilding back then, guys did it cause they loved it-not cause of the money


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: dj181 on November 14, 2012, 06:56:09 AM
I keep hearing from various guys that watched Mentzer and Viator train. They said Viator trained with a lot of volume yet all you hear from the high intensity crowd is about HIT. Mentzer is the same thing. Mentzer wasn't a volume guy but he was seen lifting with more sets than what he wrote about. Maybe it was warm up sets? I know Yates use to warm up sometimes with a couple of easy sets prior to his one work set.

he trained with less volume than others at that time

later he found out that even less volume and frequency were required for best possible results through training his clients (who were mostly natties) throughout the 1990's


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on November 14, 2012, 06:57:14 AM
he trained with less volume than others at that time

later he found out that even less volume and frequency were required for best possible results through training his clients (who were mostly natties) throughout the 1990's

Can you tell me what routine Mentzer had for natties?  Anything online?


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: dj181 on November 14, 2012, 07:02:42 AM
Can you tell me what routine Mentzer had for natties?  Anything online?

he had 3 routines

the 1st was 3 times a week on a push/pull/legs split

the 2nd was once every 4 days on a chest+back/legs/delts+arms/legs split

the 3rd was once a week: 1st workout dips and deads and 2nd workout 7 days later chins or pulldowns and squats

here's a good site where you can find lots of his work
 
http://www.highintensity.net/Forums/Forums.asp


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on November 14, 2012, 07:05:27 AM
Nice, thanks dj  :)


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: _bruce_ on November 14, 2012, 07:06:49 AM
Waller looks enormous though the Mentzers' compact look beats all.


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: oldtimer1 on November 14, 2012, 07:07:43 AM
he trained with less volume than others at that time

later he found out that even less volume and frequency were required for best possible results through training his clients (who were mostly natties) throughout the 1990's

I followed everything he wrote and I still have a album of almost every article that came out that he wrote. I have the first article ever featured on Mike Mentzer. In the 70's I trained according to what he wrote. His training changed through his competitive years. He first used a whole body routine using a lot of Nautilus but with some conventional equipment. Then he went to a four day a week routine. He split his body in half training body parts twice a week. The split was on day one: legs, chest and triceps. Day two was back, delt and biceps. Usually training Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday though he didn't believe in using the days of the week.  From there he went to three days a week using the same split.  A body part got hit once or twice a week on a rotation. The routines he came out with when he retired was something he never did when he competed. It was really convenient to see clients once a week for 20 minutes.


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: gracie bjj on November 14, 2012, 07:07:52 AM
i ordered the heavy duty mentezer pamphlets back in 79 or 80, i wish i still had them. that type of training really hurt my joints n ligaments though


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: BIG AL MCKECHNIE on November 14, 2012, 07:11:16 AM
My friend, " This photo (the one below) was taken in October, 1980. Ed Conners flew myself, Bob Reis, and Charles down for this picture.

Are you in this picture? Where's Bob Reis?  My old friend Richard Slaney is in the pic. He was married to Mary Decker sometime early 80's.


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: dj181 on November 14, 2012, 07:24:00 AM
I followed everything he wrote and I still have a album of almost every article that came out that he wrote. I have the first article ever featured on Mike Mentzer. In the 70's I trained according to what he wrote. His training changed through his competitive years. He first used a whole body routine using a lot of Nautilus but with some conventional equipment. Then he went to a four day a week routine. He split his body in half training body parts twice a week. The split was on day one: legs, chest and triceps. Day two was back, delt and biceps. Usually training Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday though he didn't believe in using the days of the week.  From there he went to three days a week using the same split.  A body part got hit once or twice a week on a rotation. The routines he came out with when he retired was something he never did when he competed. It was really convenient to see clients once a week for 20 minutes.

no offense dude, coz i like you

but think about it... if he was a greedy fucking asshole then he woudn't train clients so infrequently, since he would make much more $$$ from them if he trained them much more frequently

one session every 5 to 7 days wouldn't put as much dough in his pocket as say 4 sessions a week, right?


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: dj181 on November 14, 2012, 07:27:25 AM
and as a side note, he went too far IMO, as training only once a week or less, WILL NOT allow one to achieve and maintain very high level of fitness

i'd much rather be like a fit athlete who can run a mile in under 6 min than some big toady guy who loses his breath after climbing a flight of stairs :D :D :D


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: ob205 on November 14, 2012, 09:08:45 AM
I followed everything he wrote and I still have a album of almost every article that came out that he wrote. I have the first article ever featured on Mike Mentzer. 

Do you have these scanned?  Any chance I could have a copy?

Yes, Mentzer went to far, the routine in the original Heavy Duty 3x a week push/pull/legs is great and very good for naturals.  Not forever, but for 6-12 months, you can make excellent gains. 

Also in the OP it states he was guest posing in 1991, that had to be a typo and more like 81 instead.  No way mentzer was in any kind of shape in 1991.


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: Palpatine Q on November 14, 2012, 09:10:59 AM
and as a side note, he went too far IMO, as training only once a week or less, WILL NOT allow one to achieve and maintain very high level of fitness

i'd much rather be like a fit athlete who can run a mile in under 6 min than some big toady guy who loses his breath after climbing a flight of stairs :D :D :D


Didn't you say you were gonna post new pics today to back up your claims that you are in peak shape again....only with "bigger delts and wider lats" ?

you must look really good


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: CalvinH on November 14, 2012, 09:39:17 AM

Didn't you say you were gonna post new pics today to back up your claims that you are in peak shape again....only with "bigger delts and wider lats" ?

you must look really good


Did he really say he was going to post new pics!?


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: R.A.M. on November 14, 2012, 10:21:16 AM
Did everyone in that picture owe Louie $20..  ???


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: Donny on November 14, 2012, 10:30:02 AM
and as a side note, he went too far IMO, as training only once a week or less, WILL NOT allow one to achieve and maintain very high level of fitness

i'd much rather be like a fit athlete who can run a mile in under 6 min than some big toady guy who loses his breath after climbing a flight of stairs :D :D :D
i like that..."big toady guy"...  ;D


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: Palpatine Q on November 14, 2012, 10:36:17 AM

Did he really say he was going to post new pics!?



YUP



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allright fellas, i'll post up some recent pics on weds

and this "ladies man" thing is a wish but the funny thing is a few women actually do kinda fall for me from time to time, but truth be told anyone could have women fall for them, you just have to be her type

and for moen, the blue jacket without the hoodie is the most boss IMO









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thanks man, but that pics old ;D

anyways, i like this this again execpt i'm white as a sheet lol

also, i'm a tad bit bigger now, but i kept the same goddamn proportions >:( >:( >:( ie. my torso crushes my arms :'( :'( :'( basically i'm looking like this but with better delts and wider upper lats


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: tommywishbone on November 14, 2012, 11:20:45 AM
do you have the biggest neck in that pic? ;D

 :D Negative HB. I think the biggest neck is far left, David Paul, one of the Barbarians. I am not in that picture.


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: tommywishbone on November 14, 2012, 11:22:45 AM
Are you in this picture? Where's Bob Reis?  My old friend Richard Slaney is in the pic. He was married to Mary Decker sometime early 80's.

There is a thread here on GB where EVERY cat in the photo is named. I'll try and find it and post it here. I am not in that picture Big Al. I was competing in powerlifting at that time and not training at Gold's.


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: Big N on November 14, 2012, 11:23:16 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=447910.0;attach=492012;image)

Amazing how all these guys had their hair and look like respectable human beings..

Lol good point. Anybody can explain this maybe?


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: CalvinH on November 14, 2012, 11:35:32 AM


YUP












Well this should be good :)


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: tommywishbone on November 14, 2012, 11:37:02 AM
UPDATE STRAIGHT FROM GRYMKO

1  Charlie Leek (went to jail for cocaine)
2 Bill Grants girlfriend
3 This girl was a gym groupie. Went out with Waller and a few others.
4 Ken Waller
5
6 Andreas Cahling
7 Rita Brown (Who later married Don Ross)
8 Lisa Lyons
9 Lou Ferrigno
10 Dan Franklin (trained with Ferrigno)
11 Mike Mentzer
12 Ray Mentzer
13 Bob Jakowitz
14 Bill Grant
15 David Paul
16 Eric Stienlick
17 Claudia Wilborn
18 She was Tomís fiancť but was having a fling with Eric S. (everyone was afraid to tell Tom) and I think they ended up getting married. Eric was a writer for Ironman and Weider and Tomís training partner.
19 Tom Platz
20 Stacey Bentley
21 Chris Dickerson
22 Dave Mastorakis, personal; who was personal training Jane Fonda at the time of this pic.
23 Ron Tuefel
24 Mike Torcia
25
26 Dave Billows (worked at the front desk)
27 Mike Clancy
28 Peter Paul
29 Nick Martino (owned Gold's with Pete later died just before they moved to the Hampton site and then Tim got involved)
30 Manual Perry
31 Bill Reynolds (deceased)
32 Denny Malloy (Mike and Rayís training partner now deceased)
33 Kent Kuhen
34 Jon Loyd (an excellent BB and owner of Gold's Northridge)
35 Jim Usach
36 Bob Reis
37 Bob Greeney
38 Joe Nasario
39 Bob Brooley
40
41 Ed Connors
42 Renee Haxby
43 Pete Grymkowski
44 Tim Kimber
 
 
 
 


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: Figo on November 14, 2012, 01:39:02 PM
So Platz's gf was cheating on him with his training partner, and everyone knew except him!?

That's fucked up


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: hazbin on November 14, 2012, 02:03:36 PM
So Platz's gf was cheating on him with his training partner, and everyone knew except him!?

That's fucked up


that's how it usually goes.   his bro's wanna save him the pain, but end up causing him a ton of pain and embarrassment.


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: arce1988 on November 14, 2012, 02:28:46 PM
  Awesome pic


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on November 14, 2012, 04:37:51 PM
The Mentzer bros always have that dense look to the muscle, most other pros in the pic look very bloofy

Yup, genetics. They wanted people to think it was the way they trained.lol


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: Knooger on November 14, 2012, 04:45:47 PM
Did everyone in that picture owe Louie $20..  ???

You do too for looking at the picture.


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: dj181 on November 14, 2012, 04:56:15 PM
You do too for looking at the picture.

my mom actually took 4 pics of louie at a hotel in columbus during last year's arnold classic for free ;D

he was there with arnold and others to see zane and his band perform a few tunes

a friend of my mom's is very good friends with one of zane's bandmates, so that's how my mom got the hook-up, and she actually spoke with zane for quite awhile that night :)


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: Hulkotron on November 14, 2012, 05:16:48 PM
Nautilus = Not Ill Less = careful with these machines.


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: SweetDaddySiki on November 14, 2012, 05:29:02 PM
That's an awesome pic!


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: jaejonna on November 14, 2012, 06:16:06 PM
Mentzer such a whiney bitch


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: Pet shop boys on November 14, 2012, 06:23:58 PM
Cool pic man.  The good ol' days.  Wish I was old enough then.


Old enough for what?  to go buy the mag when it was on the shelves??



WOOOSSSSHHHHHHHHHHH


Title: Re: 1980 Golds and a Mentzer story
Post by: Viking11 on November 14, 2012, 06:28:26 PM
Mentzers views evolved with experience. What's wrong with that?