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Title: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: BikiniSlut on November 14, 2012, 03:14:24 PM
In your opinion...health wise and for fat loss?
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 14, 2012, 03:17:03 PM
I would guess sugar, but that is based on absolutely nothing but a guess.
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Post by: Papper on November 14, 2012, 03:17:14 PM
sugar - the white death

first step imo in losing weight is to cut out (added) sugar
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Marty Champions on November 14, 2012, 03:17:31 PM
neither is bad

the only food that seems bad is heme-iron containing foods bad for liver and kidneys

all foods are fine

all foods are going to effect your bloodsugars, so just burn them off with activity

alchol is bad for liver


thats about it
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: claymore on November 14, 2012, 03:29:12 PM
Sugar
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Post by: chris-a on November 14, 2012, 03:38:08 PM
sugar. x 100,000,000
if sugar was introduced now, be banned instantly, it fails a load of food additive tests...
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Nicademus on November 14, 2012, 03:44:35 PM
Sugar.
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Post by: Man of Steel on November 14, 2012, 04:14:18 PM
80s said fat, 90s said sugar, 00s said fat and sugar, 10s say everything is bad
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Post by: Moen on November 14, 2012, 04:54:22 PM
Without 1 doubt, saturated fats.
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Hulkotron on November 14, 2012, 04:56:53 PM
neither is bad

the only food that seems bad is heme-iron containing foods bad for liver and kidneys

all foods are fine

all foods are going to effect your bloodsugars, so just burn them off with activity

alchol is bad for liver


thats about it

"Nautilus" = Not Ill Less
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Marty Champions on November 14, 2012, 04:59:12 PM
"Nautilus" = Not Ill Less

Naut ill us= Not Ill us
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Roger Bacon on November 14, 2012, 05:15:57 PM
Sugar, no question

I think more and more studies are showing that all fats can be beneficial, and that sugar is like poison.

Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Moen on November 14, 2012, 05:20:14 PM
The body runs on sugar, why would it be poison? It even produces it if not present in sufficient quantities.
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: calfzilla on November 14, 2012, 05:40:35 PM
Sugar.  Saturated fat not bad, trans fat is however. 
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Roger Bacon on November 14, 2012, 05:46:00 PM
The body runs on sugar, why would it be poison? It even produces it if not present in sufficient quantities.

I'm sorry, I'm talking about simple/refined sugar.
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: booty on November 14, 2012, 05:56:51 PM
Simple refined sugar is bad. 
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Post by: Moen on November 14, 2012, 06:11:45 PM
I've yet to see 1 (university educated) nutritionist or sports nutritionist advise saturated fat over even simple sugars. Of course you don't want to eat too many of your carbs in the form of refined sugars (because of them being empty calories and the blood sugar drop, no other reasons)  but I and they still consider them harmless. But nothing is really harmful as long as you are not overeating/fat.

Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: booty on November 14, 2012, 06:12:40 PM
I like those glucose jelly beans though.   :P
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Post by: Natural Man on November 14, 2012, 06:19:13 PM
what about everything is bad if abused?  ::)
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Post by: booty on November 14, 2012, 06:24:38 PM
what about everything is bad if abused?  ::)
Very true.  There has been some studies done, which suggest that simple refined sugars accelerate aging though. 
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Natural Man on November 14, 2012, 06:25:29 PM
Very true.  There has been some studies done, which suggest that simple refined sugars accelerate aging though. 
shut your mouth you whore.
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: booty on November 14, 2012, 06:29:39 PM
shut your mouth you whore.
Go suck a dick.
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Post by: Hypertrophy on November 14, 2012, 06:51:39 PM
Booty is right on. Glycation is a mechanism where sugars combine with protein and skin loses its elasticity and internal organs become rigid. So much for  "calorie is a calorie"
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: BikiniSlut on November 14, 2012, 06:54:54 PM
I have a sweet tooth which I keep under control but I'm going to try cutting out all simple refined sugars completely. The only sugar ill get everwill  be from fruit and greek yogurt and dairy like cottage cheese. On and off season. I'm curious as to what difference this will make. I see no reason for these simple white sugars ever. However I'm sure ill be withdrawing for awhile.
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Post by: cephissus on November 14, 2012, 06:59:23 PM
LOL uberman, great contribution to this thread.
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Post by: tbombz on November 14, 2012, 09:51:29 PM
well, both can be fine in moderation, both are bad in excess, however because saturated fat intake is so strongly correlated with heart disease and a host of other diseases when total calorie intake is high enough, im gonna have to go with saturated fat.
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: ChevChelios on November 15, 2012, 12:48:22 AM
i'd rather do anything than taking nutritional advice from tbomz... ::)
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: tbombz on November 15, 2012, 12:51:19 AM
Lol I had to do class on research and I chose heart disease cuz there's such an abundance of research on it.   
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: dj181 on November 15, 2012, 12:56:08 AM
"Nautilus" = Not Ill Less

so are you saying that nautilus is good or bad?

btw, how's your bench?
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: BigCyp on November 15, 2012, 02:04:09 AM
Sugar (not 'sugars' ie fruits) imo is the first thing that has to go when you're doing ANY form of a BB of fitness diet.

Saturated fat is not too evil in reasonable amounts as long as you are within your calorie limits and the diet is clean everywhere else
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Moen on November 15, 2012, 03:46:20 AM
Sugar (not 'sugars' ie fruits) imo is the first thing that has to go when you're doing ANY form of a BB of fitness diet.

Saturated fat is not too evil in reasonable amounts as long as you are within your calorie limits and the diet is clean everywhere else

Why?

I'm sure the daily Vitargo/Karbolyn drinks containing pure sugar that people drink post workout are not harmful at all. The daily steak they eat a few hours later on the other hand ...

(of course 1 steak a day isn't going to be harmful but you get the point)
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Archer77 on November 15, 2012, 03:56:23 AM
Why?

I'm sure the daily Vitargo/Karbolyn drinks containing pure sugar that people drink post workout are not harmful at all. The daily steak they eat a few hours later on the other hand ...

(of course 1 steak a day isn't going to be harmful but you get the point)

Read Gary Taubes. Taubes books are pretty enlightening.  It is interesting how fats behave/are processed in the presence of excessive carbohydrates.  The theory that a calorie is a calorie is not exactly true.   Fats, proteins and carbohydrates are all processed differently by the body.
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Moen on November 15, 2012, 03:58:23 AM
Gary Taubes is considered a major quack. He's also not an educated nutritionist so I would never take any of his advise if I were you.
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Moen on November 15, 2012, 04:15:17 AM
Great book by an actual nutritional scientist:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Advanced-Sports-Nutrition-2nd-Dan-Benardot/dp/1450401619 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Advanced-Sports-Nutrition-2nd-Dan-Benardot/dp/1450401619)
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Archer77 on November 15, 2012, 04:15:26 AM
Gary Taubes is considered a major quack. He's also not an educated nutritionist so I would never take any of his advise if I were you.


The book is really a dissection of nutritional studies, recommendations and conventional medical wisdom on diet. Taubes isn't coming up with his own theories on eating and it is in no way a diet book.  I would read it before you form any judgement.  From the tone of your reply I get the impression you have a false impression of what his books are about.

Great book by an actual nutritional scientist:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Advanced-Sports-Nutrition-2nd-Dan-Benardot/dp/1450401619 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Advanced-Sports-Nutrition-2nd-Dan-Benardot/dp/1450401619)

This books is sports specific and not really relevant to what Taubes writes about.  I will give the book you suggested a read.
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: dj181 on November 15, 2012, 04:17:52 AM
sugar is worse with regards to "health"

but as far as "looks" are concerned, "diet" means nearly nothing, it's ALL in the training
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Moen on November 15, 2012, 04:18:19 AM

The book is really a dissection of nutritional studies, recommendations and conventional medical wisdom on diet. Taubes isn't coming up with his own theories on eating and it is in no way a diet book.  I would read it before you form any judgement.  From the tone of your reply I get the impression you have a false impression of what his books are about.

In that case I will look into them. But still, there are nutritional scientists providing information, why not just listen to them? I hope no one thinks they all have an agenda and are providing false information?
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Moen on November 15, 2012, 04:19:37 AM
sugar is worse with regards to "health"

Why?  ;D
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Archer77 on November 15, 2012, 04:20:06 AM
In that case I will look into them. But still, there are nutritional scientists providing information, why not just listen to them? I hope no one thinks they all have an agenda and are providing false information?

Ill do the same with the book you suggested.  I appreciate the suggestion.
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Moen on November 15, 2012, 04:22:51 AM
Ill do the same with the book you suggested.  I appreciate the suggestion.

Which Taubes' book do you recommend? So basically the only thing he does is look for flaws in studies? Then why the fuck is everyone saying he has his own diet recommendations and promotes a low carb diet?  :P
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: dj181 on November 15, 2012, 04:23:01 AM
Why?  ;D

because sugar has almost ZERO nutrutional (sp?) value, while saturated fat has some value
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Moen on November 15, 2012, 05:40:49 AM
because sugar has almost ZERO nutrutional (sp?) value, while saturated fat has some value


The foods that contain the saturated fat yes but the fat itself? Take deep frying oil for instance which is pure saturated fat.

(http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_612/13083411143suAGm.jpg)

What does it have that is beneficial for you apart from energy?
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Moen on November 15, 2012, 05:47:19 AM
Let's re-phrase the question:

Who here would rather drink 500 kcals of saturated fat in the form of deep frying oil each day (made into a drink that tastes ok, if that is possible haha), and who would rather drink 500 kcals of any of the commercial sports drinks containing only pure sugar each day?

Disregarding the taste, I'd be 100% sure my health would not be negatively impacted by the 500 kcals of sports drinks, while it probably would be negatively impacted by the 500 kcals of deep frying oil.

Both chemicals in a fair 1 vs 1. (stripped of their carrier foods)

Voting is open  8)
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: dj181 on November 15, 2012, 06:51:24 AM
The foods that contain the saturated fat yes but the fat itself? Take deep frying oil for instance which is pure saturated fat.

(http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_612/13083411143suAGm.jpg)

What does it have that is beneficial for you apart from energy?

it raises test levels
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on November 15, 2012, 06:55:23 AM
Saturdated is not bad.  Hydrogenated oils are the fucking devil.  The body doesn't even know how to use it for fuel.
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: magikusar on November 15, 2012, 07:01:37 AM
i'd rather do anything than taking nutritional advice from tbomz... ::)

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Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
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Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: dj181 on November 15, 2012, 07:15:30 AM
by the way BigC, did The Shitels happen to have any opinions on this topic?
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Post by: Ronnie Rep on November 15, 2012, 08:37:15 AM
Refined sugars!
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Post by: Roger Bacon on November 15, 2012, 08:53:23 AM
I have a sweet tooth which I keep under control but I'm going to try cutting out all simple refined sugars completely. The only sugar ill get everwill  be from fruit and greek yogurt and dairy like cottage cheese. On and off season. I'm curious as to what difference this will make. I see no reason for these simple white sugars ever. However I'm sure ill be withdrawing for awhile.

When I go no carb, or even just cut refined sugar I get an awesome boost.  The skin on my face looks fucking amazing within two days, I have way more energy, no cravings.  Works out really good.

Maybe it's just me, but I can't handle sugar.  

Give it ten years, and we'll all be saying what idiots we were about demonizing fat.
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Post by: Snorlax on November 15, 2012, 09:08:30 AM
Go suck a dick.

Maybe you should lay off the pudding pops booty..oh sorry i was looking at your chest  :D
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Shockwave on November 15, 2012, 09:11:00 AM
Saturated Sugars are the worst.
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Post by: Moen on November 15, 2012, 09:12:06 AM
Saturated Sugars are the worst.

:D
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Moen on November 15, 2012, 09:15:25 AM
body runs on glycogen, not sugar.

all in all, on humanity timescale, all carbs are pretty recent dietary additions for humans.

"Gluconeogenesis (abbreviated GNG) is a metabolic pathway that results in the generation of glucose from non-carbohydrate carbon substrates such as pyruvate, lactate, glycerol, and glucogenic amino acids."
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Moen on November 15, 2012, 09:16:37 AM
the difference between saturad fats and unsaturated fats from looking at them physically is one thing:the saturated are not liquid.



Did you reply to the wrong quote here?
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Roger Bacon on November 15, 2012, 09:23:49 AM
body runs on glycogen, not sugar.

all in all, on humanity timescale, all carbs are pretty recent dietary additions for humans.

Bingo!

One or two million years of eating only meats and greens and suddenly we think potatoes and simple sugar should be part of our diet.
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: dj181 on November 15, 2012, 09:31:09 AM
diets mean everything.everything.

natural or not.

try training with only eating jelly or only beer or only drinking icetea.

it wont be any good

sorry dude, but that's a ridiculous statement, coz who the fuck is just gonna eat just one thing throughout the day? no one
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: CT_Muscle on November 15, 2012, 09:50:00 AM
Let's re-phrase the question:

Who here would rather drink 500 kcals of saturated fat in the form of deep frying oil each day (made into a drink that tastes ok, if that is possible haha), and who would rather drink 500 kcals of any of the commercial sports drinks containing only pure sugar each day?

Disregarding the taste, I'd be 100% sure my health would not be negatively impacted by the 500 kcals of sports drinks, while it probably would be negatively impacted by the 500 kcals of deep frying oil.

Both chemicals in a fair 1 vs 1. (stripped of their carrier foods)

Voting is open  8)

 ::) Tell that to the pancreas and the insulin released into the blood and the ensuing insulin resistance that follows, I'm not even getting into the atherosclerosis that also takes place eventually leading to CHD
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Moen on November 15, 2012, 09:56:17 AM
::) Tell that to the pancreas and the insulin released into the blood and the ensuing insulin resistance that follows, I'm not even getting into the atherosclerosis that also takes place eventually leading to CHD

Athletes must be terribly fucked then!

Unfortunately for you, they aren't.
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Moen on November 15, 2012, 09:57:41 AM
Bingo!

One or two million years of eating only meats and greens and suddenly we think potatoes and simple sugar should be part of our diet.

We found it later so it shouldn't be part of our diet, epic reasoning  ::)
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: snx on November 15, 2012, 10:00:42 AM
Everything in moderation. Including moderation.
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
Post by: Moen on November 15, 2012, 10:03:52 AM
body runs on glycogen, not sugar.

all in all, on humanity timescale, all carbs are pretty recent dietary additions for humans.

Glycogen is a carbohydrate/sugar by the way.
Title: Re: What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
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