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Title: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 16, 2012, 09:50:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBPCB1Gd-yU


Title: Re: Fuck Israhell
Post by: a_ahmed on November 16, 2012, 09:52:14 AM
IsraSHIT attacked and broke a truce, they planned this months ahead already.

The guy they assasinated even was the one negotiating truce and peace even. Backstabbing fuckers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ayD_rm1Vls

Also the escalation began when israeli soldiers killed a child on nov 8, then palestinians killed israeli soldiers.

Then they assasinated the guy who was negotiating peace, killing alongside children and others, then as of today they have started their 'operation'.

People are dying left and right.

Fuck israshit

4 years ago israel ALSO broke a truce by bombing a police station in gaza.

The western media is completely ignoring these facts. Fuck them too


Title: Re: Fuck Israhell
Post by: a_ahmed on November 16, 2012, 09:53:26 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pBOpUbEtJY


Title: Re: &^&% Israhell
Post by: a_ahmed on November 16, 2012, 09:55:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgl0JnE4B_4


Title: Re: Fu*k Israhell
Post by: a_ahmed on November 16, 2012, 09:57:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTOP1wL1lSk


Title: Re: Fu*k Israhell
Post by: a_ahmed on November 16, 2012, 10:00:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_ebBT9K4S0


Title: Re: Fu*k Israhell
Post by: War-Horse on November 16, 2012, 10:01:05 AM
The other side of the story is "Israel had 100's of bombs flying into their territory and warned them about it, then israel struck...and since then 100's of bombs have continued to hit israel"

Here in the west we dont know what to believe.  It sure gets old tho.


Title: Re: Fu*k Israhell
Post by: a_ahmed on November 16, 2012, 10:04:36 AM
Hamas retaliated. The guy that was killed was a hamas chief that was negotiating peace and was preventing conflict in fact. Ironic. Nov 8th israelis killed a palestinian child and palestinians killed back israeli soldiers. Then israel assasinated hamas chief who was negotiating peace.

They planned this months ahead. It's their plan

Nov 29th palestinians were to go to UN to ask for statehood. Israel is just stealing more land as usual and buying time.

They already threatened to take over gaza before.

4 years ago, the same thing happened there was a peace, hamas upheld it, israel broke it. Israel bombed a police station in gaza. Hamas responded. Israel then started operation cast lead ALSO planned months before as was proven later.

They killed 1500 civillians.


Title: Re: Fu*k Israhell
Post by: a_ahmed on November 16, 2012, 11:30:35 AM
Fucking scum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8VbtRk5ufo


Title: Re: Fu*k Israhell
Post by: a_ahmed on November 16, 2012, 11:31:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZEK5uzHUzk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDpO8p5dUcA


Title: Re: Fu*k Israhell
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 11:38:19 AM
if israel was nuked I would go drinking :)

I think Un should march in and remove all nukes.

USA owns it since its built on USA welfare money.

So just make it a protectorate, then sell it back to arabs for profit at the trillion or so we gave israel in foriegn aid over the years.



Title: Re: Fu*k Israhell
Post by: a_ahmed on November 16, 2012, 12:35:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SkN6PB8IOg


Title: Re: Fu*k Israhell
Post by: littledumbells on November 16, 2012, 12:51:05 PM
 I could really give 2 shits achmed. If they did not have Israel to keep them occupied they would be involved in a religious civil war like the other 90% of ragheads in teh mid east. Look at it this way, in a twisted way israel is saving them from themselves


Title: Re: Fu*k Israhell
Post by: 24KT on November 16, 2012, 02:48:27 PM
You can easily recognize the motives of the combatants by the very targets themselves.

When you one takes out what are essentially the stabilizing forces of the infrastructure, clearly stability is NOT the goal.


Title: Re: Fu*k Israhell
Post by: 24KT on November 16, 2012, 02:56:21 PM
I could really give 2 shits achmed. If they did not have Israel to keep them occupied they would be involved in a religious civil war like the other 90% of ragheads in teh mid east. Look at it this way, in a twisted way israel is saving them from themselves

When will you give 2 shits? When US soldiers start dying, ...if israel is successful in drawing the US into the conflict?, ...or when you are taxed up the wazuuu in order to pay for all the aid money and military equipment the USA sends to Israel in order to maintain their illegal occupation and genocide against an unarmed civilian population?

The only reason religious civil wars are taking place is because of foreign interventionism (that YOU pay for btw) that props up dictators in order to suppress & dominate civilians.


Title: Re: Fu*k Israhell
Post by: littledumbells on November 16, 2012, 03:38:34 PM
When will you give 2 shits? When US soldiers start dying, ...if israel is successful in drawing the US into the conflict?, ...or when you are taxed up the wazuuu in order to pay for all the aid money and military equipment the USA sends to Israel in order to maintain their illegal occupation and genocide against an unarmed civilian population?

The only reason religious civil wars are taking place is because of foreign interventionism (that YOU pay for btw) that props up dictators in order to suppress & dominate civilians.

  When the ragheads decide to enter this century then I'll take notice, otherwise I dont give a shit


Title: Re: Fu*k Israhell
Post by: 24KT on November 16, 2012, 03:43:40 PM
  When the ragheads decide to enter this century then I'll take notice, otherwise I dont give a shit

You should, ...because you're stuck paying for it whether you like it or not.

When the ability to kill Palestinians is more important to you, than a better standard of living for Americans in America, ...you gotta know that someone else owns what little is left of your mind. Turn off the TV, and other forms of MSM and try to fire up the last few brain cells you have left.


Title: Re: Fu*k Israhell
Post by: a_ahmed on November 16, 2012, 03:59:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vU67u9i9-Y


Title: Re: Fu*k Israhell
Post by: Montague on November 16, 2012, 04:13:38 PM
When will you give 2 shits? When US soldiers start dying, ...if israel is successful in drawing the US into the conflict?, ...or when you are taxed up the wazuuu in order to pay for all the aid money and military equipment the USA sends to Israel in order to maintain their illegal occupation and genocide against an unarmed civilian population?

The only reason religious civil wars are taking place is because of foreign interventionism (that YOU pay for btw) that props up dictators in order to suppress & dominate civilians.

You should, ...because you're stuck paying for it whether you like it or not.

When the ability to kill Palestinians is more important to you, than a better standard of living for Americans in America, ...you gotta know that someone else owns what little is left of your mind. Turn off the TV, and other forms of MSM and try to fire up the last few brain cells you have left.


So, you're telling our friend why he, as an American, should oppose Israeli intervention. You are Canadian. What's your beef with what happens over there?


Title: Re: Fu*k Israhell
Post by: Roger Bacon on November 16, 2012, 05:12:07 PM
Believe it or not, but freaky Christian extremists in the US are getting excited about this.  :-X



Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Ron on November 17, 2012, 08:55:43 AM
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Hamas retaliated. The guy that was killed was a hamas chief that was negotiating peace and was preventing conflict in fact. Ironic. Nov 8th israelis killed a palestinian child and palestinians killed back israeli soldiers. Then israel assasinated hamas chief who was negotiating peace.

Really.  Biggest crap I have heard yet.  Hamas wants peace?  Get real.  This was the guy that ordered 200 missiles into Israel and kept sending missiles into Israel even had they warned, over and over and over again, they would fire back.  

This was the guy that killed soliders and captured Galit for five years.  This was the guy that kills innocent Palestinians and calls them Israeli collaborators when they even suggest to have peace with Israel.  This was the guy that swore no peace and only one thing - the destruction of Israel.

Well, good riddance.


Now, this guy, if he really wanted to negotiate, would of stopped the weeklong missle strikes into Israel and not have placed children next to Hamas' building that houses weapons.  

Pathetic.

Even the Palestinians want Hamas to go, and they privately say say, but one word in public, and they or their families are killed.

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They attacked and broke a truce, they planned this months ahead already.

Really, which of the 200 missiles that entered Israel before they went after the high commands of Hamas was in the 'truce' months before.   Which of the tunnels that smuggled in Iranian made missiles illegally were part of the truce that wasn't violated.

Get it into your head.  The Palestinian people want peace.  BUT... Hamas does not.  They want one thing, the destruction of Israel, and put their children in the way as martyrs.  Really pathetic.

As Golda Meir said 30+ years ago...  “Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.”





Title: Re: Fu*k Israhell
Post by: 24KT on November 17, 2012, 09:26:58 AM

So, you're telling our friend why he, as an American, should oppose Israeli intervention. You are Canadian. What's your beef with what happens over there?

I'm a human being


Title: Re: Fu*k Israhell
Post by: Ron on November 17, 2012, 09:53:16 AM
I'm a human being

Who doesn't care until the missile and rockets and gunfire start hitting your city.  But then again, its all safe up there, so you have the freedom of complaining and never understanding.



Title: Re: Fu*k Israhell
Post by: Thick Nick on November 17, 2012, 10:02:38 AM
Who doesn't care until the missile and rockets and gunfire start hitting your city.  But then again, its all safe up there, so you have the freedom of complaining and never understanding.



I love Ron. Ahmed... Fuck those warmonger perma victim instigators devil worshipers. I hope Israel kills every last one of them. It will save this world so much trouble, and future trouble because of the monsters they are breeding.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: War-Horse on November 17, 2012, 10:50:15 AM
Ron setting the story straight. 8)

Why wouldnt hamas expect retaliation when 100's of missiles were raining down on Israel. Im actually Impressed Israel had the mercy it did......considering higher tech rockets were hitting Jerusalum.

And It angers me to NO END when the muslims store ammunition in hospitals and school yards....letting little children in harms way....What kind of gawd damn religion is that!!!............Dont even get me started.


Title: Re: Fu*k Israhell
Post by: Montague on November 17, 2012, 01:49:13 PM
I'm a human being


Yes, but why do you constantly side only with the Arab victims when both sides suffer senseless and innocent casualties?


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 17, 2012, 04:45:07 PM
^Obviously because they are the witness and media always skews the facts to be pro-israel.

Both 4 years ago and this new war, israel is the one who broke the truce.

Ron, hamas is the democratically elected government of palestine, the people voted for it. Israel didn't like democracy so they pounded gaza, blocked of food, construction supplies, created more check points and so on and so forth. That's the reality on the ground. Hamas is the one building schools, hospitals, places of worship, factories, policing gaza, etc..

The guy they assasinated negotiated peace and kept things under control this is a fact, they assasinated him. Israel is a backstabbing double crossing ho who doesn't want peace.

When palestinians defend themselves they are terrorists, when israel attacks others they are 'defending themselves'.

Israel attacks everyone in the region, no one says a peep. Sudan was bombed recently by Israel. Is there an international outrage no? Israel attacked Lebanon. Israel bombed Syria. Does anyon remember these things? I do because I pay attention.

Israel gets away with kidnapping, assassinations so its not surprising they don't give a shit if they kill thousands of palestinian children.

They even have a plan on how to starve gazans, gazans are under siege and occupation, and the majority of the million+ living there are children.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2VKZNYb-yY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIPYLuU-jUA


Title: Re: Fu*k Israhell
Post by: 24KT on November 17, 2012, 07:12:00 PM
Who doesn't care until the missile and rockets and gunfire start hitting your city.  But then again, its all safe up there, so you have the freedom of complaining and never understanding.


You know Ron, I was originally going to respond with I am a human being who cares about the loss of innocent lives wherever they occur... I was even going to include the fact that I have a close friend whose sons studied at the University of Tel Aviv, and currently have many Israeli friends throughout Israel INCLUDING Tel Aviv. I was also going to mention how many members of my own family have been put in harms way as a result of being members of the US military whose orders are sometimes dictated by the priorities of Israel, versus the priorities of their own country, ...but in the end, I didn't think it was necessary. Being a human being should have been enough.

To say I don't care is a specious argument. You need to direct that to those who are cheering the violence which is clearly a political distraction away from the growing Israeli protests against the austerity measures Netanyahu proposes for Israel,

Those who cheer this sort of thing, are the same ones who cheered when thousands of Americans were sent to die in Iraq over non-existent WMD's. They are the ones who sleep safely in their beds at night, not caring about a disgusting cycle of violence that threatens the lives of innocent Palestinians and Jews alike, ...and threatens to drag the entire world into the fray.

Maybe you should stop getting your information from the AIPAC filtered & controlled media sources of the west, and start talking to actual people who live in Israel. Maybe you could read some of the Jewish Daily's like Haaretz if you want an accurate picture of what is actually taking place inside Israel, and inside Gaza. You won't find it in the western press.


Title: Re: Fu*k Israhell
Post by: garebear on November 17, 2012, 07:17:38 PM
I love Ron. Ahmed... Fuck those warmonger perma victim bulker instigators devil worshipers. I hope Israel kills every last one of them. It will save this world so much trouble, and future trouble because of the monsters they are breeding.
Fixed.


Title: Re: Fu*k Israhell
Post by: War-Horse on November 17, 2012, 07:20:47 PM
You know Ron, I was originally going to respond with I am a human being who cares about the loss of innocent lives wherever they occur... I was even going to include the fact that I have a close friend whose sons studied at the University of Tel Aviv, and currently have many Israeli friends throughout Israel INCLUDING Tel Aviv. I was also going to mention how many members of my own family have been put in harms way as a result of being members of the US military whose orders are sometimes dictated by the priorities of Israel, versus the priorities of their own country, ...but in the end, I didn't think it was necessary. Being a human being should have been enough.

To say I don't care is a specious argument. You need to direct that to those who are cheering the violence which is clearly a political distraction away from the growing Israeli protests against the austerity measures Netanyahu proposes for Israel,

Those who cheer this sort of thing, are the same ones who cheered when thousands of Americans were sent to die in Iraq over non-existent WMD's. They are the ones who sleep safely in their beds at night, not caring about a disgusting cycle of violence that threatens the lives of innocent Palestinians and Jews alike, ...and threatens to drag the entire world into the fray.

Maybe you should stop getting your information from the AIPAC filtered & controlled media sources of the west, and start talking to actual people who live in Israel. Maybe you could read some of the Jewish Daily's like Haaretz if you want an accurate picture of what is actually taking place inside Israel, and inside Gaza. You won't find it in the western press.


Meltdown.  ;D


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Thick Nick on November 17, 2012, 07:24:37 PM
Ahmed you post videos of these sick pedo terrorists like they are helping your arguments or something. You are the most brain washed person I have ever seen... one who at some point can probably convinced to do violence in the name of being a good Muslim.

The videos make you look even crazier... and the only person here who thinks Israel instigates these battles is you. And I love the contradiction... Hamas is ok because they were elected in right? But there are hundreds of posts by you claiming thier ideology is not really Islam. So which is it? Ok because elected or not ok cause they are "fake Muslims" according to you.


Title: Re: Fu*k Israhell
Post by: 24KT on November 17, 2012, 07:26:52 PM

Yes, but why do you constantly side only with the Arab victims when both sides suffer senseless and innocent casualties?

I side with the victims PERIOD! Some are Jewish, most are Arab.
Zionism is not the victim, it is an aggressive policy of genocide.
The victims are the State of Israel, it's inhabitants, and the Palestinians.

Do not allow yourself to confuse Zionism with Judaism, or psycopathic Israeli politicians with the State of Israel. That is the trick & the trap that the zionists use in order to gain support. As if those against Zionism are anti-semitic or don't care about Jews. They try to get you to believe that if you criticize the policies of the state, you automatically hate or don't care about the citizens of that state, when in fact just the opposite is true. Lack of caring results in indifference, not criticism.

As crazed as 333 was during the height of his insanity, criticizing the POTUS, can any one of you assume his constant and often times irrational critiques of the POTUS was because he hated America, and didn't care about America, or the impact on America he perceived certain policies to have?


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: garebear on November 17, 2012, 07:28:26 PM
Both sides are brainwashed nutjobs.

I hope they completely wipe each other out and only the rational people of Earth are left. The rest are deadweight.

We will rebuild.



Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: 24KT on November 17, 2012, 07:54:34 PM
Both sides are brainwashed nutjobs.

I hope they completely wipe each other out and only the rational people of Earth are left. The rest are deadweight.

We will rebuild.


Are you sure about that? Are you sure the Palestinians are brainwashed nutjobs?
Mind you, we're not talking about Talibani from Afghanistan, we're talking about Palestinians in Gaza; a people that have been living under a brutal military occupation for 30+ years. A people who have had their homes systematically bulldozed, their lands taken, their fields, crops, and livestock destroyed... who basically live in a giant prison camp, and who are being slaughtered & starved while the rest of the world turns a blind eye.

How would you respond if the US came under brutal military occupation?
You can't go into someone else's home, steal from them, and kill their children, then claim self defense, ...and you cannot claim a victim of aggression is a nutjob simply for defending him/herself from aggression.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: garebear on November 17, 2012, 08:21:58 PM
Are you sure about that? Are you sure the Palestinians are brainwashed nutjobs?
Mind you, we're not talking about Talibani from Afghanistan, we're talking about Palestinians in Gaza; a people that have been living under a brutal military occupation for 30+ years. A people who have had their homes systematically bulldozed, their lands taken, their fields, crops, and livestock destroyed... who basically live in a giant prison camp, and who are being slaughtered & starved while the rest of the world turns a blind eye.

How would you respond if the US came under brutal military occupation?
You can't go into someone else's home, steal from them, and kill their children, then claim self defense, ...and you cannot claim a victim of aggression is a nutjob simply for defending him/herself from aggression.
They are brainwashed because they are religious.

Someone told them that land was "holy" and they quit thinking immediately.

Yes, both sides are brainwashed.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: OzmO on November 17, 2012, 08:24:27 PM
99.999% of people in the world and 100% of people on GB don't know the whole story there.   All of what I have seen here mostly is just arguing from a side.  


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: garebear on November 17, 2012, 08:32:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2Dzt_Tp5VE


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: 24KT on November 17, 2012, 08:49:31 PM
They are brainwashed because they are religious.

Someone told them that land was "holy" and they quit thinking immediately.

Yes, both sides are brainwashed.

To whom are you referring?  The secular atheist Jews who founded Zionism, or their followers?

I know you're not referring to the Palestinians forced to live in the refugee camps because their homes have been bulldozed, or simply taken away from them and given to a settler family.

Perhaps you're referring to the Palestinians forced to live in wall off compounds under constant fear that the bulldozers will soon be paying them a visit. These people are not fighting for religion, ...they are fighting for their very lives.

You never did answer my question. What would you do if America came under a similarly brutal oppressive occupation?


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 17, 2012, 09:32:53 PM
Just like last time they banned journalists! Sick bastards! Last time the only real coverage was from PressTV who were inside Gaza. And now it's pretty much freelance journalists who were in Gaza. Of course western media organizations in particular in the UK have put their greatest effort to ban such mediums, including presstv. RT has people on the inside. Just like last time PressTV came under fire from Israeli troops. RT journalists were targetted as well.

As usual Israel's response is it was an 'accident' or 'unintentional' fucking sick bastards

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Israel’s assault on Gaza: the lie of who started it exposed


(http://muslimvillage.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/121115-military-orders-600x400.jpg)
Israeli soldiers display a military order to a cameraman in southern Israel attempting to film Gaza, 15 November. Israel has banned journalists from entering the Gaza Strip to cover its military operation there. (Oren Ziv / ActiveStills)


Israel has again attacked Gaza. In its aerial and ground assault that began on Saturday, November 10th, at least 7 Palestinians have been killed, 5 of them civilians, 3 of whom were children. Up to 52 others, including 6 women and 12 children, have been wounded.

As in every vicious military offensive Israel carries out in Gaza, the dominant narrative is that it is a response to rocket fire from Gaza into southern Israel. This is how it’s being reported in the US, and this is how virtually every American understands it.

And it’s a lie.

It’s true that on Saturday, prior to the expanded Israeli bombardment, the military wing of the Popular Front For the Liberation of Palestine shot an anti-tank missile at an Israeli Defense Forces vehicle near the Gaza border, wounding four Israeli soldiers. But what prompted the firing of the anti-tank missile?

First, on Monday, November 5th, Israeli forces shot and killed 23 year old Ahmad Nabhani when he “approached the border fence with Israel.” According to at least one account, Nabhani was mentally challenged.

Then, on Thursday, November 8th, the Israeli Occupation Forces – eight tanks and four bulldozers, to be exact – invaded southern Gaza, shooting and killing a 13-year old boy. Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (via):

   According to investigations conducted by PCHR, at approximately 16:30 on Thursday, as a result of the indiscriminate shooting by IOF military vehicles that had moved into the ‘Abassan village, 13-year-old Ahmed Younis Khader Abu Daqqa was seriously wounded by a bullet to the abdomen. At the time he was shot, Ahmed had been playing football with his friends in front of his family’s house, located nearly 1,200 meters away from the area where the IOF were present.

So, even if honest observers brush to the side the cruel and inhumane Israeli blockade on Gaza and refuse to let it influence the equation of exactly which side started this flare up of violence, it is clear Israel started this latest clash. And in response to the response, Israel has waged a harsh, disproportionate military assault.

This would be a simple thing to understand if, for example, Western media bothered to ask the other side what happened. Palestinian news media immediately reported that the anti-tank missile Israel was supposedly responding to was admitted to by the Popular Resistance Committees, who described it as “revenge” for preceding Israeli violence on Gaza. But that basic task of honest journalism is apparently out of the question.

Every single Israeli incursion or attack on Gaza is accompanied by the same narrative: Israel fairly responded to unprovoked Palestinian rocket fire. The last major war on Gaza, Operation Cast Lead in December ’08-January ’09, also carried this narrative. Israel committed war crimes in that one-sided conflict, targeting and killing hundreds of civilians, using indiscriminate weapons, and intentionally destroying civilian infrastructure. It has become an accepted fact – even among critics of Israel – that the offensive was a response to Hamas rocket fire. The rocket fire did indeed occur immediately before the assault, but it was in response to Israel’s breaking of the six-month cease-fire, which even Israeli officials in WikiLeaks cables admitted Hamas had kept to.



Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Shockwave on November 17, 2012, 10:01:28 PM
99.999% of people in the world and 100% of people on GB don't know the whole story there.   All of what I have seen here mostly is just arguing from a side.  
Boom.
Still fun to get people riled up over it though.
On this board, all you have to do is make a post about Israel kicking ass to start a 5 page shit slinging bitch fest.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: trapz101 on November 17, 2012, 10:05:38 PM
fuck this shit i'm converting to buddhism  ;D


Title: Re: Fu*k Israhell
Post by: andreisdaman on November 17, 2012, 10:49:44 PM
Hamas retaliated. The guy that was killed was a hamas chief that was negotiating peace and was preventing conflict in fact. Ironic. Nov 8th israelis killed a palestinian child and palestinians killed back israeli soldiers. Then israel assasinated hamas chief who was negotiating peace.

They planned this months ahead. It's their plan

Nov 29th palestinians were to go to UN to ask for statehood. Israel is just stealing more land as usual and buying time.

They already threatened to take over gaza before.

4 years ago, the same thing happened there was a peace, hamas upheld it, israel broke it. Israel bombed a police station in gaza. Hamas responded. Israel then started operation cast lead ALSO planned months before as was proven later.

They killed 1500 civillians.

are you delusional or what?????????????????????????????????????????


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: andreisdaman on November 17, 2012, 10:53:03 PM
Really.  Biggest crap I have heard yet.  Hamas wants peace?  Get real.  This was the guy that ordered 200 missiles into Israel and kept sending missiles into Israel even had they warned, over and over and over again, they would fire back.  

This was the guy that killed soliders and captured Galit for five years.  This was the guy that kills innocent Palestinians and calls them Israeli collaborators when they even suggest to have peace with Israel.  This was the guy that swore no peace and only one thing - the destruction of Israel.

Well, good riddance.


Now, this guy, if he really wanted to negotiate, would of stopped the weeklong missle strikes into Israel and not have placed children next to Hamas' building that houses weapons.  

Pathetic.

Even the Palestinians want Hamas to go, and they privately say say, but one word in public, and they or their families are killed.

Really, which of the 200 missiles that entered Israel before they went after the high commands of Hamas was in the 'truce' months before.   Which of the tunnels that smuggled in Iranian made missiles illegally were part of the truce that wasn't violated.

Get it into your head.  The Palestinian people want peace.  BUT... Hamas does not.  They want one thing, the destruction of Israel, and put their children in the way as martyrs.  Really pathetic.

As Golda Meir said 30+ years ago...  “Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.”





wow...I've never seen Ron so pissed off.....I wish he would post on different topics more often so we can know his mindset on different issues


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: headhuntersix on November 18, 2012, 12:54:29 AM
Another good day for the jews...I hope they steam roll the damm ragheads into the Med.....


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Heywood on November 18, 2012, 01:00:01 AM
Hamas is a terrorist organization.  When 1/5 of your population has to sit in bomb shelters all day, you have the right to start dropping a few bombs on your terrorist neighbors.




Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: garebear on November 18, 2012, 01:10:02 AM
Hamas is a terrorist organization.  When 1/5 of your population has to sit in bomb shelters all day, you have the right to start dropping a few bombs on your terrorist neighbors.



You realize that anybody can call anybody a "terrorist", right?



Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: headhuntersix on November 18, 2012, 03:51:17 AM
I missed individual Israel's blowing up pizza joints and suicide bombing buses.....Hamas is getting everything that they deserve.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Heywood on November 18, 2012, 04:07:23 AM
You realize that anybody can call anybody a "terrorist", right?



I'm going to go with the instigators who are lobing hundreds of missiles into cities and towns.  The Israelis gave up Gaza to the Palestinians in hopes of peace.  They got Hamas instead.




Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: outby43 on November 18, 2012, 04:13:03 AM
With Gaza being somewhat isolated, how do they manage to get so many rockets?  Are they made there or smuggled in?   Seems to me like Israeli intelligence should know everything that goes on in that shit hole.

Also, since living conditions are shit and there really is no economy or jobs it would make logical sense for Israel to go in there and just overtake them kick out Hamas and show the savages that there is a better life with a rebuilt Gaza operated by Israel on the condition that troops will always be there for the foreseeable future not for intimidation but for peace.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: tbombz on November 18, 2012, 04:14:44 AM
Hard not to feel that you'd prefer isreal to "win".  When their opponent is usually using god as an excuse for violence. Something that's just totly unacceptable no matter how righteous your cause is.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Heywood on November 18, 2012, 05:01:19 AM
With Gaza being somewhat isolated, how do they manage to get so many rockets?  Are they made there or smuggled in?   Seems to me like Israeli intelligence should know everything that goes on in that shit hole.

Presumably, Hamas is a proxy for Iran, which funds the people in Gaza.  Israel tries to inspect cargo, and catches shit when it does.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 18, 2012, 08:09:46 AM
lol except hamas is anything but Irani. Hamas is sunni and Iran is shia, they support hizbullah which is shia.

Just like with the iraq/afghanistan wars, lies are perpetrated to tie 'every group' with every country of target interest.

Hamas has nothing to do with Iran. It's a muslim resistance movement one of many. The majority of movements in Palestine are indeed resistance movements trying to defend Palestinians from the Israeli onslaught.

Despite beginning as a resistance movement to the israeli occpuation, hamas became a government, they build schools, factories, homes, places of worship, and other infrastructure as best as they can under the circumstances.

likewise with hizbullah in lebanon. They are the ones not only resisting israeli oppression but have done the same becoming a government movement that leads the people. Both are supported by the natives as they offer infrastructure/governance and defense.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 18, 2012, 08:13:40 AM
I'm going to go with the instigators who are lobing hundreds of missiles into cities and towns.  The Israelis gave up Gaza to the Palestinians in hopes of peace.  They got Hamas instead.




What a load of hunk of shit. "Israelis" didn't exist. Period. Israel didn't exist until 1948. Palestinians were forced to give up their land, because they are under military occupation. Israeli didn't give up SHIT, they took everything and keep taking everything little by little every day.

Hopes of peace. What a load of shit. That's why Israeli day in day out bulldozes Palestinian homes, steals land and builds israeli 'settlements' until they take over each area little by little.

almost every year israel approves thousands upon thousands of 'settlements'.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Shockwave on November 18, 2012, 08:18:04 AM
What a load of hunk of shit. "Israelis" didn't exist. Period. Israel didn't exist until 1948. Palestinians were forced to give up their land, because they are under military occupation. Israeli didn't give up SHIT, they took everything and keep taking everything little by little every day.

Hopes of peace. What a load of shit. That's why Israeli day in day out bulldozes Palestinian homes, steals land and builds israeli 'settlements' until they take over each area little by little.

almost every year israel approves thousands upon thousands of 'settlements'.
Lol, you're right, the Jews never lived in what is now Israel, not ever. Good point.  ::)


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 18, 2012, 08:48:30 AM
No what most people believe is that in order to be peace despite what Israelis did and even keep doing, Muslims and Christians being forgiving to Israelis. It would begin with Israelis STOPPING doing what they've kept doing. The israelis DONT want peace. Why? Because they keep doing what they are doing and every time 'talks' take place, it is only to buy time not authentic peace.

Constantly breaking truce, constantly killing palestinians, jailing, humiliating, even women and children. Israel has Palestinian children in jails, pregnant women in jails.

After all they are told that non-jews are worth less than animals, you can listen to IDF shitheads bragging about that plenty of youtube videos of them not giving a shit.


As in the last war Journalists are banned from entering gaza. Why? To cover up the truth!

And as the last war, journalists are TARGETTED by Israelis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JMIVGnuiRc

PressTV and RT the only channels covering the conflict have been bombed. "Accident" as usual


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Shockwave on November 18, 2012, 08:50:36 AM
Stop skewing things I say.

There was no israel. Jews lived peacefully under Muslim rule for thousand+ years. Israel as an entity never existed the way it is being propagated. The Jewish kingdoms existed what like 2000-3000 years ago?

Jews were in the minority but due to mass immigrations from Europe and Russia their population became larger. Hundreds of thousands almost each year kept come in. It was a planned project to take the land over. Still though the Muslim and Christian population was larger but it went down briefly by forced refugees having to flee under the occupation.
So because Israel never existed the way it does today, means that they should just put down their weapons and surrender to the merciful Muslims that just want their land back so that they can peacefully coexist with the Jews again?
Lol, what a load of shit. There is no way you can believe the shit you're spewing.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: OzmO on November 18, 2012, 08:59:34 AM
Ahmed,

Read the rules.

NO personal insults, attacks, name calling etc.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Montague on November 18, 2012, 08:59:54 AM
It's amusing what an ignorant and evil dickhead you are.

Quote
Not allowed: "Abusive Ad-Hominem", meaning: No insults, name calling, or personal attacks what so ever or Blatant baiting/bagering to get a angry response

Failure to follow the above rule will lead to a ban.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 18, 2012, 09:01:17 AM
bullshit, all the islamophobe trash on here gets away with slander and insults of Muslims. I don't see you deleting that. I get name called too. I would sure hope you uphold those standards when those you 'disagree' with do it.

Hypocrite dbl standard. Only when you see fit huh? Ozmo you've attacked Muslims and called us names several times before.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Fury on November 18, 2012, 09:02:58 AM
Got to tip my hat to the Iranians and their strategy for their puppet dogs in Hamas.

- Obama gets re-elected - the Eurotrashes don't even wait to start talking about escalating their support of the Syrian rebels.
- Hamas, out of nowhere, picks that week to start launching hundreds of rockets into Israel after being nearly silent since they got the shit kicked out of them in the last Israeli offensive.
- Whole world stops looking at Syria and all plans of rebel assistance get put on the back burner as all eyes and focus turn to Israel/Gaza.

Bravo, little Hamas lapdogs. Making your Iranian masters proud!




One has to ask what they hope to accomplish with those rockets? Clearly they're hoping for an Israeli response that gets Fakestinians killed as they "conveniently" love launching said rockets near hospitals, schools and various other places that make for good media fodder.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: OzmO on November 18, 2012, 09:03:47 AM
bullshit, all the islamophobe trash on here gets away with slander and insults of Muslims. I don't see you deleting that. I get name called too. I would sure hope you uphold those standards when those you 'disagree' with do it.

Hypocrite dbl standard. Only when you see fit huh? Ozmo you've attacked Muslims and called us names several times before.

Look at the date of the rule change.  They have been stickied since last week.  When the rule was added



Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Fury on November 18, 2012, 09:07:12 AM
bullshit, all the islamophobe trash on here gets away with slander and insults of Muslims. I don't see you deleting that. I get name called too. I would sure hope you uphold those standards when those you 'disagree' with do it.

Hypocrite dbl standard. Only when you see fit huh? Ozmo you've attacked Muslims and called us names several times before.

Mohammedan meltdown.

Here's a question for you, Mohammedan. You advocate non-Muslims paying the jizya. Why would anyone pay an inferior group of people for "protection" they can't provide? The non-Muslim is superior to muslims in every single way.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: freespirit on November 18, 2012, 10:36:39 AM
Ron setting the story straight. 8)


No he did not.  ::)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv2P_DgGIVE


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: mogulgangi on November 18, 2012, 10:40:44 AM
bullshit, all the islamophobe trash on here gets away with slander and insults of Muslims. I don't see you deleting that. I get name called too. I would sure hope you uphold those standards when those you 'disagree' with do it.

Hypocrite dbl standard. Only when you see fit huh? Ozmo you've attacked Muslims and called us names several times before.

Ahmed cut the crap....stop with the out cry of negativity towards Muslims..this isn't about all Muslims..it's about the Muslim groups and terrorist affiliated associations..to say Hamas has nothing to do with Iranians is plain ignorant...you cannot tell me Hamas has sufficient funding for itself by its self governing state..these negative Muslim groups are heavily financed by terrorists ...these financiers maybe or may not care about their cause..you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that Iran does pump in cash to some of these Muslims to protect Irans ideals against Jews and to alsopotentially to use them as front line warfare to their advantage..is Israel always right...no..but Israel must be play the card of bully because of its location in the Middle East..this is a simple maneuver of modern warfare where one cannot show weakness..the moment Israel shows weakness is a chance for a terrorist association or just some scum bags Muslim to do something bad to its people..


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: andreisdaman on November 18, 2012, 11:39:58 AM
fuck this shit i'm converting to buddhism  ;D

I'm already there...beat ya to it


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Fury on November 18, 2012, 01:22:46 PM
Dead Child Hamas Paraded In Front Of Media Was Not Killed By Israel, He Was Killed By One Of Hamas’ Own Rockets

(http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/apgazachild-550x523.jpg)

But there were signs on Saturday that not all the Palestinian casualties have been the result of Israeli air strikes. The highly publicised death of four-year-old Mohammed Sadallah appeared to have been the result of a misfiring home-made rocket, not a bomb dropped by Israel.

The child’s death on Friday figured prominently in media coverage after Hisham Kandil, the Egyptian prime minister, was filmed lifting his dead body out of an ambulance. “The boy, the martyr, whose blood is still on my hands and clothes, is something that we cannot keep silent about,” he said, before promising to defend the Palestinian people.

But experts from the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights who visited the site on Saturday said they believed that the explosion was caused by a Palestinian rocket.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/9685564/Israeli-forces-prepare-for-war-as-troops-mass-on-Gaza-border.html



One has to question what the Fakestinians hope to accomplish by launching rockets around children and other civilians. Couldn't be that they're actually hoping people get killed, could it?  :-X


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 18, 2012, 01:37:45 PM
^Israhell nor its supporters have no credibility. They bar journalists from entering the area, they also target journalists who are reporting the truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSV176FaXG4


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: 24KT on November 18, 2012, 03:13:15 PM
Israeli Minister: “The goal…is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages.”
by: David Harris-Gershon on November 17th, 2012 | 4 Comments »

Interior Minister Eli Yishai, in a moment of disturbing candor, revealed what is for many in Netanyahu’s government the ultimate goal of its escalating military campaign on Gaza:

“The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages. Only then will Israel be calm for forty years.”

Now, part of Yishai’s bombast comes from the fact that, as a known racist and head of the ultra-orthodox Shas party, he’d feel much more comfortable in the Middle Ages himself.

However, his statement reveals an essential truth few Israeli leaders dare to articulate. And that truth is this: the current military throttling of Gaza has less to do with security and more to do with destabilizing Gaza as much as possible.

Put another way, the military campaign is less about destroying Hamas’s weaponry and more about creating a situation in which Hamas remains both militant and strong.

Why?


As I explained in a previous piece:

Israel has engaged in its current, escalating military campaign not to protect Israelis from a militant Hamas, but in order to ensure that Hamas in Gaza remains militant.

Why? The answer is simple and twofold:
  • a) Netanyahu’s government wants a militant Hamas in Gaza; it wants a situation in which Gaza becomes isolated from the West Bank, hoping eventually Greater Israel will be obtained with Gaza becoming a separate entity
  • b) with Israeli elections set for January, electoral motivations are undeniably in play with regard to this sudden military barrage.

Now, nobody is questioning whether Israel should be able to defend itself from rocket attacks on its citizens. But the tactics of bombing hundreds of Hamas strongholds and assassinating Hamas leaders is part of a larger strategy meant to maintain the status quo, not make Israelis safer in the long run.

As Janine Zacharia wisely wrote in Slate:

To be sure, Israel will once again achieve many of its short-term tactical goals, assassinating a handful of Hamas leaders, leveling militant safe houses, and eliminating scores of Hamas military installations or weapon depots. And, in the end, Israel will be no safer, although it will surely be more alone in the world and living in a neighborhood that is less tolerant of its aggressive countermeasures.

It’s time to declare Israel’s policy toward Gaza and Hamas a failure.
This is not an anti-Israel statement. Rather, it is an honest acknowledgment of the facts, which are simply too numerous to avoid.

Which brings us back to Yishai: The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages.

Translated? The goal is not to protect Israelis from rocket fire, but to make Gaza as archaic and poor a place as possible to live. A place where extremism can continue to thrive.

http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/2012/11/17/israeli-minister-the-goal-is-to-send-gaza-back-to-the-middle-ages/


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: 24KT on November 18, 2012, 03:27:16 PM
Israel attacked Gaza knowing truce was in the works

As Israel's attack on the Gaza Strip enters its second day, reports have emerged that it launched the attack in the knowledge that a 'permanent truce' was in the works.

Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz reports:

'Hours before Hamas strongman Ahmed Jabari was assassinated, he received the draft of a permanent truce agreement with Israel, which included mechanisms for maintaining the ceasefire in the case of a flare-up between Israel and the factions in the Gaza Strip. This, according to Israeli peace activist Gershon Baskin, who helped mediate between Israel and Hamas in the deal to release Gilad Shalit and has since then maintained a relationship with Hamas leaders...

Baskin told Haaretz on Thursday that senior officials in Israel knew about his contacts with Hamas and Egyptian intelligence aimed at formulating the permanent truce, but nevertheless approved the assassination.

[...]

"He was in line to die, not an angel and not a righteous man of peace," Baskin said of Jabari and of his feelings in the wake of the killing, “but his assassination also killed the possibility of achieving a truce.' [my emph.]

I have already documented that Israel's attack violated a de facto truce that had succeeded in reducing rockets to virtually zero. As the International Crisis Group's Nathan Thrall put it, Israel's attack

'started after people were already talking about a ceasefire. The front page of Ha'aretz this morning was talking about a ceasefire and there was a lull at four in the afternoon when Jabari’s car was hit.'

It now appears that it also knowingly pre-empted a long-term ceasefire.

This covers the immediate run-up to Israel's attack; for a broader background, see the timeline below:

--

Elsewhere, Israeli academic and peace activist Gershon Baskin described Israel's assassination of Jabari, the leader of Hamas's military wing assassinated yesterday by Israel, as 'total insanity':

'Jaabri was behind enforcing all of the recent ceasefire agreements. He sent his troops out to stop the rockets and was prepared to reach a long term ceasefire. Jaabri was also the main interlocutor of the Egyptian intelligence service in reaching ceasefire understandings. Now who are they supposed to talk to? Who can expect the Egyptians to continue to mitigate our relationship with Gaza? Now the government and people of Israel will face a massive barrage of rockets and they bought the entrance card to Cast Lead II.'

This account is supported by veteran Israeli correspondent Aluf Benn, who describes Jabari as Israel's 'subcontractor' in Gaza.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/15/1161891/-Israeli-newspaper-Israel-attacked-Gaza-knowing-truce-was-in-the-works

Timeline: Israel's Latest Escalation in Gaza

Earlier today it was reported that Israel assassinated the leader of Hamas’ military wing, Ahmed Jabari, breaking a tentative truce with Palestinian fighters that had been in place since Monday. The truce followed an escalation in violence that began last Thursday in which six Palestinian civilians were killed, including three children, and more than fifty others injured.

The IMEU offers the following timeline of the recent violence and a fact sheet on previous Israeli ceasefire violations.

I. TIMELINE: ISRAEL’S LATEST ESCALATION IN GAZA

THURSDAY, 8 NOVEMBER

Following a two-week lull in violence, Israeli soldiers invade Gaza. In the resulting exchange of gunfire with Palestinian fighters, a twelve year-old boy is killed by an Israeli bullet while he plays soccer.

Shortly afterwards, Palestinian fighters blow up a tunnel along the Gaza-Israel frontier, injuring one Israeli soldier.


SATURDAY, 10 NOVEMBER

An anti-tank missile fired by Palestinian fighters wounds four Israeli soldiers driving in a jeep along the Israel-Gaza boundary.

An Israeli artillery shell lands in a soccer field in Gaza killing two children, aged sixteen and seventeen. Later, an Israeli tank fires a shell at a tent where mourners are gathered for a funeral, killing two more civilians and wounding more than two dozen others.
 

SUNDAY, 11 NOVEMBER

One Palestinian civilian is killed and dozens more are wounded in Israeli attacks. Four Israeli civilians are also injured as a result of projectiles launched from Gaza, according to the Israeli government.

During an Israeli government cabinet meeting, Transportation Minister Yisrael Katz urges the government to “cut off the head of the snake… take out the leadership of Hamas in Gaza.” He also calls for a cutting off of water, food, electricity, and fuel shipments to Gaza’s 1.7 million people.
 
MONDAY, 12 NOVEMBER

Palestinian militant factions agree to a truce if Israel ends its attacks.
 
WEDNESDAY, 14 NOVEMBER

Israel breaks two days of calm by assassinating Ahmed Jabari, the head of Hamas' military wing. According to reports, at least eight other Palestinians are killed in Israeli attacks, including at least two children. Palestinian militant groups vow to respond.
 

II. FACT SHEET

- Self-Defense or Provocation?: Israel's History of Breaking Ceasefires - (http://imeu.net/news/article0022250.shtml)

Since Israel’s creation in 1948, Israeli political and military leaders have demonstrated a pattern of repeatedly violating ceasefires with their enemies in order to gain military advantage, for territorial aggrandizement, or to provoke their opponents into carrying out acts of violence that Israel can then exploit politically and/or use to justify military operations already planned.

The following fact sheet provides a brief overview of some of the most high-profile and consequential ceasefire violations committed by the Israeli military over the past six decades.

2012 – On 14 November, two days after Palestinian factions in Gaza agree to a truce following several days of violence, Israel assassinates the leader of Hamas’ military wing, Ahmed Jabari, threatening to escalate the violence once again after a week in which at least six Palestinian civilians are killed and dozens more wounded in Israeli attacks.

2012 - On 9 March, Israel violates an Egyptian-brokered ceasefire and assassinates the head of the Gaza-based Popular Resistance Committees, sparking another round of violence in which at least two-dozen Palestinians are killed, including at least four civilians, and scores more wounded. As usual, Israel claims it is acting in self-defense against an imminent attack being planned by the PRC, while providing no evidence to substantiate the allegation.

Following the assassination, Israeli journalist Zvi Bar’el writes in Haaretz newspaper:

"It is hard to understand what basis there is for the assertion that Israel is not striving to escalate the situation. One could assume that an armed response by the Popular Resistance Committees or Islamic Jihad to Israel’s targeted assassination was taken into account. But did anyone weigh the possibility that the violent reaction could lead to a greater number of Israeli casualties than any terrorist attack that Zuhair al-Qaisi, the secretary-general of the Popular Resistance Committees, could have carried out?

'In the absence of a clear answer to that question, one may assume that those who decided to assassinate al-Qaisi once again relied on the "measured response" strategy, in which an Israeli strike draws a reaction, which draws an Israeli counter-reaction."


Just over two months prior, on the third anniversary of Operation Cast Lead, Israeli army Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz tells Israel’s Army Radio that Israel will need to attack Gaza again soon to restore its power of “deterrence,” and that the assault must be “swift and painful,” concluding, “we will act when the conditions are right."

2011 – On 29 October, Israel breaks a truce that has maintained calm for two months, killing five Islamic Jihad members in Gaza, including a senior commander. The following day, Egypt brokers another truce that Israel proceeds to immediately violate, killing another four IJ members. In the violence, a total of nine Palestinians and one Israeli are killed.

2008 - In November, Israel violates a ceasefire with Hamas and other Gaza-based militant groups that has been in place since June, launching an operation that kills six Hamas members. Militant groups respond by launching rockets into southern Israel, which Israel shortly thereafter uses to justify Operation Cast Lead, its devastating military assault on Gaza beginning on 27 December. Over the next three weeks, the Israeli military kills approximately 1,400 Palestinians, most of them civilians, including more than 300 children. A UN Human Rights Council Fact Finding Mission led by South African jurist Richard Goldstone subsequently concludes that both Israel and Hamas committed war crimes and crimes against humanity during the fighting, a judgment shared by human rights organizations such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.

2002 - On 23 July, hours before a widely-reported ceasefire declared by Hamas and other Palestinian groups is scheduled to come into effect, Israel bombs an apartment building in the middle of the night in the densely populated Gaza Strip in order to assassinate Hamas leader Salah Shehada. Fourteen civilians, including nine children, are also killed in the attack, and fifty others are wounded, leading to a scuttling of the ceasefire and a continuation of violence.

2002 – On 14 January, Israel assassinates Raed Karmi, a militant leader in the Fatah party, following a ceasefire agreed to by all Palestinian militant groups the previous month, leading to its cancellation. Later in January, the first suicide bombing by the Fatah-linked Al-Aqsa Martyr’s Brigade takes place.

2001 – On 23 November, Israel assassinates senior Hamas militant Mahmoud Abu Hanoud. At the time, Hamas was adhering to an agreement made with PLO head Yasser Arafat not to attack targets inside of Israel. Following the killing, respected Israeli military correspondent of the right-leaning Yediot Ahronot newspaper, Alex Fishman, writes in a front-page story: "We again find ourselves preparing with dread for a new mass terrorist attack within the Green Line [Israel's pre-1967 border]… Whoever gave a green light to this act of liquidation knew full well that he is thereby shattering in one blow the gentleman's agreement between Hamas and the Palestinian Authority; under that agreement, Hamas was to avoid in the near future suicide bombings inside the Green Line...” A week later, Hamas responds with bombings in Jerusalem and Haifa.

2001 – On 25 July, as Israeli and Palestinian Authority security officials meet to shore up a six-week-old ceasefire, Israel assassinates a senior Hamas member in Nablus. Nine days later, Hamas responds with a suicide bombing in a Jerusalem pizzeria.

1988 – In April, Israel assassinates senior PLO leader Khalil al-Wazir in Tunisia, even as the Reagan administration is trying to organize an international conference to broker peace between Israelis and Palestinians. The US State Department condemns the murder as an “act of political assassination.” In ensuing protests in the occupied territories, a further seven Palestinians are gunned down by Israeli forces.

1982 – Following Israel’s invasion of Lebanon in June, and after PLO fighters depart Beirut under the terms of a US-brokered ceasefire, Israel violates the terms of the agreement and moves its armed forces into the western part of the city, where the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila are located. Shortly thereafter, Israeli soldiers surround the camps and send in their local Christian Phalangist allies - even though the long and bloody history between Palestinians and Phalangists in Lebanon is well known to the Israelis, and despite the fact that the Phalangists' leader, Bashir Gemayel, has just been assassinated and Palestinians are rumored (incorrectly) to be responsible. Over the next three days, between 800 and 3,500 Palestinian refugees, mostly women and children left behind by the PLO fighters, are butchered by the Phalangists as Israeli soldiers look on. In the wake of the massacre, an Israeli commission of inquiry, the Kahan Commission, deems that Israeli Defense Minister (and future Prime Minister) Ariel Sharon bears "personal responsibility" for the slaughter.

1981-2 – Under Defense Minister Ariel Sharon, Israel repeatedly violates a nine month-old UN-brokered ceasefire with the PLO in Lebanon in an effort to provoke a response that will justify a large-scale invasion of the country that Sharon has been long planning. When PLO restraint fails to provide Sharon with an adequate pretext, he uses the attempted assassination of Israel’s ambassador to England to justify a massive invasion aimed at destroying the PLO – despite the fact that Israeli intelligence officials believe the PLO has nothing to do with the assassination attempt. In the ensuing invasion, more than 17,000 Lebanese are killed.

1973 – Following a ceasefire agreement arranged by the US and the Soviet Union to end the Yom Kippur War, Israel violates the agreement with a “green light” from US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. According to declassified US documents, Kissinger tells the Israelis they can take a “slightly longer" time to adhere to the truce. As a result, Israel launches an attack and surrounds the Egyptian Third Army, causing a major diplomatic crisis between the US and Soviets that pushes the two superpowers to the brink of nuclear war, with the Soviets threatening to intervene to save their Egyptian allies and the US issuing a Defcon III nuclear alert.

1967 - Israel violates the 1949 Armistice Agreement, launching a surprise attack against Egypt and Syria. Despite claims that Israel is acting in self-defense against an impending attack from Egypt, Israeli leaders are well aware that Egypt poses no serious threat. Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of the General Staff of the Israeli army during the war, says in a 1968 interview that "I do not believe that Nasser wanted war. The two divisions he sent into Sinai on 14 May would not have been enough to unleash an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it." And former Prime Minister Menachem Begin later admits that "Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches did not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him."

1956 - Colluding with Britain and France, Israel violates the 1949 Armistice Agreement by invading Egypt and occupying the Sinai Peninsula. Israel only agrees to withdraw following pressure from US President Dwight Eisenhower.

1949 – Immediately after the UN-brokered Armistice Agreement between Israel and its neighbors goes into effect, the armed forces of the newly-created Israeli state begin violating the truce with encroachments into designated demilitarized zones and military attacks that claim numerous civilian casualties.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Montague on November 18, 2012, 03:30:28 PM
You know Jag is pissed when she goes over size 18 font.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: 24KT on November 18, 2012, 04:36:59 PM
You know Jag is pissed when she goes over size 18 font.

LOL  ;D

Hello Montague, how are you this evening?


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Montague on November 18, 2012, 04:40:24 PM
LOL  ;D

Hello Montague, how are you this evening?


Somewhere between bad and well.
Yourself?


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 18, 2012, 04:43:45 PM
“I want to say a word. With this signature the German people and the German armed forces are for better or worse delivered into the victor’s hands. In this war, which has lasted more than five years, they both have achieved and suffered more than perhaps any other people in the world. In this hour I can only express the hope that the victor will treat them with generosity.”


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Montague on November 18, 2012, 04:46:37 PM
“I want to say a word. With this signature the German people and the German armed forces are for better or worse delivered into the victor’s hands. In this war, which has lasted more than five years, they both have achieved and suffered more than perhaps any other people in the world. In this hour I can only express the hope that the victor will treat them with generosity.”



^^The words of Gnrl. Alfred Jodl.
 
I see you're an educated man. Quite a rarity around these parts.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: 24KT on November 18, 2012, 04:47:55 PM

Somewhere between bad and well.
Yourself?

Same.  ;)


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 18, 2012, 06:48:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBrPod6GQAo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1FoFR9Affw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMp0X6PxvC4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqeZoW7C2Ng



Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 18, 2012, 07:35:05 PM
Hah it's funny how much money and effort zionists take. They even pay off duty IDF soldiers to troll internet chat rooms, youtube, blogs, forums, etc... to get their way look what happened to one palestinian activitist's many channels where he posts videos about israeli crimes:

(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/513/censorrabbiscreenshotfr.png)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODGjm1OADoU




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHo-XVe_Tvg


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 18, 2012, 07:45:28 PM

^^The words of Gnrl. Alfred Jodl.
 
I see you're an educated man. Quite a rarity around these parts.

I love World War Two history. Also, I assume your name is taken from Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet? I've been to that balcony in Verona. Chewing gum and locks everywhere.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Montague on November 18, 2012, 07:53:11 PM
Also, I assume your name is taken from Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet?


Ha-ha...it's a good and reasonable guess, but not quite.
The etymology behind my screen name is far more obscure and stupider than that.

Perhaps one day, I'll share the story.
 :)


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 18, 2012, 08:27:18 PM
Four years ago when BBC completely was engulfed by pro-israelism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E21MdXe3BOQ


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 18, 2012, 08:32:11 PM
Supremacist bastards:

Quote
Israel Dep PM Yishai: “We must blow Gaza back to the Middle Ages destroying all the infrastructure including roads & water”

Israel's interior minister has publicly vowed to "send Gaza back to the Middle Ages" as the aerial and naval bombardment of the besieged enclave, as well as the Palestinian rocket barrage against Israel, continued into Sunday.

"The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages," Israeli Interior Minister Eli Yishai, a member of the ultra-orthodox Shas party, said, according to the leading Israeli daily Haaretz. "Only then will Israel be calm for 40 years."

The Orthodox Jewish news site Yeshiva World News also quoted Yishai as saying, "We must blow Gaza back to the Middle Ages, destroying all the infrastructure including roads and water."

There was no calm in Gaza as 'Operation Pillar of Defense,' Israel's air and sea bombardment of the densely populated enclave, entered its fifth straight day on Sunday. Israel has carried out 950 air strikes targeting Palestinian militants who have launched more than 500 rockets into Israel during the course of hostilities.

Reuters reports that the Palestinian death toll stood at 47 going into Sunday morning. Around half of those deaths were civilians, including 12 children. Gaza health officials said that 385 Palestinians have been wounded.

Three Israeli civilians have been killed by Gaza-launched rockets. Another 63 Israelis have been wounded, the New York Times reports.

Hostilities and tensions escalated on Saturday as Israeli forces bombed Hamas government buildings as well as the homes of Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh and a leading Hamas military commander.

Israel also bombed two media centers. One building housing Hamas-run al-Quds TV was hit, wounding three employees. Al-Quds cameraman Khader al-Zahar had one of his legs blown off.

A pair of pre-dawn Israeli attacks on the Jebalya refugee camp also killed a child and wounded at least 12 other people.

Hamas remained defiant in the face of the overwhelming Israeli onslaught, vowing that this is "only the beginning" and claiming that the militant resistance group "is still strong enough to destroy the enemy."

Meanwhile, Israel's cabinet approved the mobilization of as many as 75,000 reserve troops for a possible ground invasion of Gaza. Thousands of these, along with tanks, artillery and other vehicles and equipment, are massing near the Gaza border.

Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi, who called Israel's actions "blatant aggression against humanity," led efforts to broker a truce. Morsi said that "there are some indications that there is a possibility of a cease-fire soon, but we do not yet have firm guarantees."

Israeli officials had no comment about any possible negotiations.



Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 18, 2012, 09:00:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhKg0bcde5w


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: garebear on November 18, 2012, 09:18:37 PM
Ahmed heading into 333386 meltdown mode.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: 24KT on November 19, 2012, 02:19:38 AM
Ahmed heading into 333386 meltdown mode.

He's no where near that at all.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: andreisdaman on November 19, 2012, 07:12:21 AM
He's no where near that at all.

I disagree with you on this one 24KT


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Heywood on November 19, 2012, 07:31:27 AM
Hamas has shot hundreds of missiles into Israel.  Israeli homes are required to have bomb shelters and "safe rooms."   Eventually, they can't live like this and they strike back. 

That's what the terrorists want.  Terrorists don't give a shit if their own people get killed.




Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 19, 2012, 08:23:28 AM
Israeli terrorists at it again killing more Palestinians indiscriminately:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvnMmptzoGo

Literally more than half of the population of the open prison Gaza are CHILDREN. Israelis are psychopaths.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: andreisdaman on November 19, 2012, 08:27:23 AM
Israeli terrorists at it again killing more Palestinians indiscriminately:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvnMmptzoGo

Literally more than half of the population of the open prison Gaza are CHILDREN. Israelis are psychopaths.

and

the terrorists of Hamas are not????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 19, 2012, 08:28:35 AM
Hamas is the democratically elected government of Palestine. That Israel and the US did not agree to therefore they have tried EVERYTING from starving the palestinian people to murdering them to depriving them of basic human rights and trying to destablize palestine while little by little stealing more and more palestinian land.

Look at these blood thirsty psychopaths:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-WaXrF6-LI


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Fury on November 19, 2012, 08:35:51 AM
Anything to distract from the Muslim-on-Muslim violence in Syria that has resulted in 37,000+ Muslims murdered by Muslims in the last 18 months. Haha!



Props to Iran for using their Hamas lapdogs wisely. Shame that Fakestinian civilians have to die in the process.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: pedro01 on November 19, 2012, 08:38:22 AM
Get it into your head.  The Palestinian people want peace.  BUT... Hamas does not.  They want one thing, the destruction of Israel, and put their children in the way as martyrs.  Really pathetic.

As Golda Meir said 30+ years ago...  “Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.”

Indeedy

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/tb9pdvs/IMAG0894.jpg)


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: whork on November 19, 2012, 09:05:28 AM
Hamas has shot hundreds of missiles into Israel.  Israeli homes are required to have bomb shelters and "safe rooms."   Eventually, they can't live like this and they strike back. 

That's what the terrorists want.  Terrorists don't give a shit if their own people get killed.




This!!


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 19, 2012, 09:26:29 AM
Miko Peled, the General's Son. Seattle. Oct. 1, 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOaxAckFCuQ


Israeli General's son, Israeli living in Palestine. Interesting video.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Skip8282 on November 19, 2012, 02:41:33 PM
Israel is technologically superior and, as is usually the case in history, they need to eliminate the tech. inferior trash.  In 20 years these uncivilized apes will be a forgotton footnote in a history book.



Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: whork on November 19, 2012, 02:43:41 PM
Israel is technologically superior and, as is usually the case in history, they need to eliminate the tech. inferior trash.  In 20 years these uncivilized apes will be a forgotton footnote in a history book.



The Palestinians are to Israel what the american native indians are to the US


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: andreisdaman on November 19, 2012, 02:44:48 PM
Israel is technologically superior and, as is usually the case in history, they need to eliminate the tech. inferior trash.  In 20 years these uncivilized apes will be a forgotton footnote in a history book.


[/quote

easy to say but probably not true....unfortunately time is not on the israeli side.....the palestinian and arab population is exploding and the Palestinians will soon outnumber the Israelis badly....they will take over Israel simply through sheer numbers


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: andreisdaman on November 19, 2012, 02:46:06 PM
The Palestinians are to Israel what the american native indians are to the US

I agree with this somewhat....but the Indians don't have missiles raining onto our cities ;)...and if they did it would be bye bye reservation


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: whork on November 19, 2012, 02:49:32 PM
I agree with this somewhat....but the Indians don't have missiles raining onto our cities ;)...and if they did it would be bye bye reservation

True ;)


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 19, 2012, 04:18:52 PM
Gradual and steady slow genocide not 'war':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRkNqRmNweE

More than half of the population of Gaza are CHILDREN!


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Shockwave on November 19, 2012, 04:33:07 PM
Gradual and steady slow genocide not 'war':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRkNqRmNweE

More than half of the population of Gaza are CHILDREN!
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/tb9pdvs/IMAG0894.jpg)


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Fury on November 19, 2012, 05:32:30 PM
Genocide.....except for the fact there are more Fakestinians than ever. For a military that can hit a moving car with a missile and not damage anything else around it these Israelis sure suck at "genocide".

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/tb9pdvs/IMAG0894.jpg)

One has to wonder what Hamas hopes to accomplish by launching rockets from schools, hospitals and crowded civilian areas. It's pretty obvious they're banking on Israel retaliating and killing Fakestinians so then they can go and ham it up for the MSM and cry crocodile tears.



I certainly won't lose sleep over these morons killing each other. I may even have a laugh like I did over Syria and the Al-Qaeda versus Hezbollah fight going on there.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Skip8282 on November 19, 2012, 07:53:23 PM
Israel is technologically superior and, as is usually the case in history, they need to eliminate the tech. inferior trash.  In 20 years these uncivilized apes will be a forgotton footnote in a history book.


[/quote

easy to say but probably not true....unfortunately time is not on the israeli side.....the palestinian and arab population is exploding and the Palestinians will soon outnumber the Israelis badly....they will take over Israel simply through sheer numbers


How can their population numbers be going up Andre?  ahmed is claiming it's genocide.  Surely that would make the numbers go down, lol?


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Shockwave on November 19, 2012, 08:22:59 PM

How can their population numbers be going up Andre?  ahmed is claiming it's genocide.  Surely that would make the numbers go down, lol?
Ahmeds crash course to Islam math -

Commit genocide, population goes up. Lolz.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: andreisdaman on November 19, 2012, 08:32:22 PM

How can their population numbers be going up Andre?  ahmed is claiming it's genocide.  Surely that would make the numbers go down, lol?

LOL....good point sir! ;)


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 19, 2012, 08:59:30 PM
LOL....good point sir! ;)


I'm hopinh those greedy jews drop the hammer


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: andreisdaman on November 19, 2012, 09:10:44 PM

I'm hopinh those greedy jews drop the hammer

you are hilarious...why are they greedy in terms of whats going on in the middle east?


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: James28 on November 19, 2012, 11:24:17 PM
Anything to distract from the Muslim-on-Muslim violence in Syria that has resulted in 37,000+ Muslims murdered by Muslims in the last 18 months. Haha!



Props to Iran for using their Hamas lapdogs wisely. Shame that Fakestinian civilians have to die in the process.

The civilians are a shame yes. But you can never kill enough of the Hamas terrorists. I wish Israel would REALLY step up its efforts. At the moment they're pussying around. Not even trying.



Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: andreisdaman on November 20, 2012, 05:22:29 AM
The civilians are a shame yes. But you can never kill enough of the Hamas terrorists. I wish Israel would REALLY step up its efforts. At the moment they're pussying around. Not even trying.



Hamas are like roaches


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 20, 2012, 06:57:11 AM
Hamas are like roaches


I wish we could set the IDF loose in south Bronx Camden Philly Detroit Compton etc.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: andreisdaman on November 20, 2012, 07:47:25 AM

I wish we could set the IDF loose in south Bronx Camden Philly Detroit Compton etc.

hahahahahaaa.....you made a funny! :)...good one..of course you being from the Bronx , they would kill you as well


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: garebear on November 20, 2012, 08:16:19 AM

I wish we could set the IDF loose in south Bronx Camden Philly Detroit Compton etc.
With or without indirect fire?

I don't think they could hang without it.



Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Donny on November 20, 2012, 08:29:48 AM
The Arabs won´t fuck with these Guys...


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: littledumbells on November 20, 2012, 08:33:12 AM
Ahmeds crash course to Islam math -

Commit genocide, population goes up. Lolz.


    He did say the muzzies invented math. He never said they got it right


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: freespirit on November 20, 2012, 08:56:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfQu5HFZQPY


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 20, 2012, 09:38:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJIs1Owb9jU


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: James28 on November 20, 2012, 09:55:26 AM
Well, you can never kill enough Muslims. As the saying goes off course.

As was said. Israel has a right to defend themselves against these primitive terrorists. An all out war with a complete extermination might be needed.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 20, 2012, 10:23:21 AM
I wonder how XXXXXXXX  you get away with saying what you say on this forum. How racism against blacks is so in the open here.

But anyone speak like that about the US or israel, they are mad terrorist lovers.

It's really fascinating how people on this forum advocate for murder of Muslims and boast about it, including a few that are 'soldiers' (real terrorist scum) and it's all peachy.

But oooh nooooo israelis are defending themselves with chemical weapons, cluster bombs, tanks and f16s.  :'(

Such irony. When I hear the same monsters attacking Islam and Muslims about being 'violent' (load of bs), and then we face the FACTS who is the one STARTING wars. US and Israel!

Sick bastards.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: OzmO on November 20, 2012, 10:30:42 AM
I wonder how XXXXXXXX  you get away with saying what you say on this forum. How racism against blacks is so in the open here.

But anyone speak like that about the US or israel, they are mad terrorist lovers.

It's really fascinating how people on this forum advocate for murder of Muslims and boast about it, including a few that are 'soldiers' (real terrorist scum) and it's all peachy.

But oooh nooooo israelis are defending themselves with chemical weapons, cluster bombs, tanks and f16s.  :'(

Such irony. When I hear the same monsters attacking Islam and Muslims about being 'violent' (load of bs), and then we face the FACTS who is the one STARTING wars. US and Israel!

Sick bastards.

Its not a one sided problem.  this is a result of that, that is a result of this and it can go back for decades. 

Another thing you  can be assured of:  there are elements on both sides that have NO INTEREST in peace.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 20, 2012, 10:48:21 AM
Oh Ozmo you make me blush. You xxxxx that i said scum. But you leave the comment that says "can never kill enough muslims".


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: OzmO on November 20, 2012, 10:53:23 AM
Oh Ozmo you make me blush. You xxxxx that i said scum. But you leave the comment that says "can never kill enough muslims".
'

I make you blush eh?

hmmmm, that makes me wonder..............and you live in Canada  :)


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Shockwave on November 20, 2012, 10:58:20 AM
I wonder how XXXXXXXX  you get away with saying what you say on this forum. How racism against blacks is so in the open here.

It's really fascinating how people on this forum advocate for murder of Muslims and boast about it, including a few that are 'soldiers' (real terrorist scum) and it's all peachy.
There is a difference between tonque in cheek joking, and you, who are completely devoid of a sense of humor. Calm down, relax, it ain't that serious Gloria.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 20, 2012, 10:59:27 AM
There is a difference between tonque in cheek joking, and you, who are completely devoid of a sense of humor. Calm down, relax, it ain't that serious Gloria.

OOOH I didn't know! It's joking! To advocate murder of Muslims is humorous! I didn't know!

Such fucking hypocrites. It shows what you truly are. And what a BS mod rule. Double standard much?

You let a comment advocating violence and murder in the open but sensor me saying "you scum"


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: James28 on November 20, 2012, 11:02:00 AM
OOOH I didn't know! It's joking! To advocate murder of Muslims is humorous! I didn't know!

Such fucking hypocrites. It shows what you truly are. And what a BS mod rule. Double standard much?

You let a comment advocating violence and murder in the open but sensor me saying "you scum"

Relax. I wasn't serious. Merely repeating a well known and beloved saying.

Why do you Muzzies get so wound up over everything?

If I say Allah is a goat fucker and enjoys rolling in pig shit, would that offend you? If so, good!

I'm not insulting anyone directly.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Shockwave on November 20, 2012, 11:09:19 AM
OOOH I didn't know! It's joking! To advocate murder of Muslims is humorous! I didn't know!

Such fucking hypocrites. It shows what you truly are. And what a BS mod rule. Double standard much?

You let a comment advocating violence and murder in the open but sensor me saying "you scum"
You're the hypocritical one dude, you get all bent out of shape anytime anyone makes a crack about your kin, but you're the 1st one to call everyone piece of shit murderers and scumbags, wish death upon people, and be dead serious about it.

Calm down, relax, it ain't that serious. Reach between your legs, grab your nuts, realize your a man, stop being such a sensitive XXXXXX, and grow a sense of humor.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: James28 on November 20, 2012, 11:27:30 AM
As I said before. Both sides have a good cause. I just like Israel's cause better  :D

Besides, Hamas are fucking terrorists and detract sympathy from the good and honest Palestinians that just want to get on with life and live as best they can. I've only ever met two Palestinians and both of them are sick to the bone of these Muslim scumbag terrorists that's always plying for sympathy and preferential treatment due to their religion. I'm pleased that the Israelis are showing them the middle finger and following it up with 'bang bang'.

The sooner this diseased religion with its innately good but mind controlled followers are wiped from the annals of human civilization, the sooner we can all learn to live together as a people of all colours. Without all these juvenile hocus pocus medieval bullshit.



Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: James28 on November 20, 2012, 11:29:09 AM
You're the hypocritical one dude, you get all bent out of shape anytime anyone makes a crack about your kin, but you're the 1st one to call everyone piece of shit murderers and scumbags, wish death upon people, and be dead serious about it.

Calm down, relax, it ain't that serious. Reach between your legs, grab your nuts, realize your a man, stop being such a sensitive XXXX, and grow a sense of humor.

He's just your average mind controlled Hajib'd drone. Add the fact that's his little hole is hurting due to Hamas terrorists being pasted and you've got yourself a screaming baby at hand.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: whork on November 20, 2012, 12:05:38 PM
You're the hypocritical one dude, you get all bent out of shape anytime anyone makes a crack about your kin, but you're the 1st one to call everyone piece of shit murderers and scumbags, wish death upon people, and be dead serious about it.

Calm down, relax, it ain't that serious. Reach between your legs, grab your nuts, realize your a man, stop being such a sensitive XXXXX, and grow a sense of humor.

Lol :D


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: James28 on November 20, 2012, 12:12:33 PM

Someone need to explain to me why they all stream here like cockroaches whilst seemingly despise the West.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Shockwave on November 20, 2012, 12:13:52 PM
Someone need to explain to me why they all stream here like cockroaches whilst seemingly despise the West.
I find it funny they leave their home countries only to try and implement the same ideals in their new country.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Donny on November 20, 2012, 12:16:04 PM
I find it funny they leave their home countries only to try and implement the same ideals in their new country.
yeah... and try to pollute  people in our countries.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: bears on November 20, 2012, 12:36:37 PM
You're the hypocritical one dude, you get all bent out of shape anytime anyone makes a crack about your kin, but you're the 1st one to call everyone piece of shit murderers and scumbags, wish death upon people, and be dead serious about it.

Calm down, relax, it ain't that serious. Reach between your legs, grab your nuts, realize your a man, stop being such a sensitiveXXXXXX, and grow a sense of humor.

i have to admit i laughed out loud.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Donny on November 20, 2012, 12:47:37 PM
In Germany you have Turks and Kurds who hate each other...but then again we have here Greeks who hate Turks too. I have lived in Germany since 1985 and i have seen the most vile violence between these people. The Germans have a small Nazi block but are as small as "Stark"..as much use as tits on a fish. The normal boy meets girl does not work with these people. simple as that. I have wrote before i grew up with hatred between catholic and prodistant.  Even then we could mix but with Islam you can not do this. These people are ill.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 20, 2012, 01:56:06 PM
This just in DESPITE a truce. Israel broke the truce AGAIN. WHAT FILTH!

Talking 'peace' with israel is like talking hey I should jump off a cliff.

Israel does not want peace.

Every time a truce or peace is made with Israel they take advantage of the situation buy time and then start bombing Palestinians again. What evil!


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: OzmO on November 20, 2012, 02:12:42 PM
This just in DESPITE a truce. Israel broke the truce AGAIN. WHAT FILTH!

Talking 'peace' with israel is like talking hey I should jump off a cliff.

Israel does not want peace.

Every time a truce or peace is made with Israel they take advantage of the situation buy time and then start bombing Palestinians again. What evil!

Classic, its always the other guy who started it.

Its attitudes like this that won't let peace work.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: littledumbells on November 20, 2012, 02:16:03 PM
Classic, its always the other guy who started it.

Its muslims that won't let peace work.

fixed


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 20, 2012, 02:20:15 PM
Classic, its always the other guy who started it.

Its attitudes like this that won't let peace work.

Uuuh... excuse me?

4 years ago? Who broke the truce. Israel

Two weeks ago who broke the truce? Israel

JUST a truce made, who broke the truce again? Israel

If we look at the HISTORY of making peace and truces with Israel, Israel always brakes the truces and does NOT uphold an honest agreement EVER!

What about the Oslo Accords? Has Israel upheld it's part? NONE, it laughed at it pretty much and continued bulldozing thousands upon thousands of Palestinian homes. Building tens of thousands of settlements since and dividing and stealing Palestinian land.

People sincerely try to be looking the other way and be forgiving but israel ALWAYS breaks any agreement, truce or otherwise.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Donny on November 20, 2012, 02:21:08 PM
Classic, its always the other guy who started it.

Its attitudes like this that won't let peace work.
great post OzmO


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: James28 on November 20, 2012, 03:13:04 PM
The Muslim in this thread conveniently forgets that Hamas fires rockets into Israel pretty much weekly, regardless of truces. If Israel wants to break their end of the bargain once every few years, I'll be cheering them on. I just hope they do a good job of it. My heart really bleeds for innocent civilians that gets trapped in the crossfire, but with Hamas hiding between civilians, in hospitals or wherever there's innocent bystanders, civilian deaths are an unfortunate fact. It just goes to show what disgusting cowards these insects are. No wonder the first world nations do nothing to help Hamas' cause.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 20, 2012, 03:16:45 PM
The Muslim pikey in this thread conveniently forgets that Hamas fires rockets into Israel pretty much weekly, regardless of truces. If Israel wants to break their end of the bargain once every few years, I'll be cheering them on. I just hope they do a good job of it. My heart really bleeds for innocent civilians that gets trapped in the crossfire, but with Hamas hiding between civilians, in hospitals or wherever there's innocent bystanders, civilian deaths are an unfortunate fact. It just goes to show what disgusting cowards these insects are. No wonder the first world nations do nothing to help Hamas' cause.

That's the kind of bullshit that your brain has been pummelled with.

Everytime some israeli spokesperson comes on tv they will mention 500 rockets, 1000 rockets, 2000 rockets, 700 rockets, they just keep pumelling horse shit numbers like they are constantly under attack, near a holocaust, suffering daily.

Load of horse shit to fear monger and DISTORT the truth.

Hamas when they make a seize fire and truce they uphold it. I remember oh.. since 97 when i started paying attention to the situation.. or when arial sharon the 'bulldozer' ruled.. every single time israel broke a truce. And the same horse shit about playing victim is used.

I have a few buddies that went to israel, they have a frickin life, load of bullshit that they are 'constantly in danger'. The ones constantly in danger are palestinians who have various restrictions even if they are in israel. Racism, job issues, discrimination, etc.. and in jerusalem as israel has been anexxing jerusalem little by little. Jerusalem is suppose to be the capital of Palestine! And.. west bank and ESPECIALLY gaza!


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Fury on November 20, 2012, 05:32:58 PM
Why don't you go blow yourself up for the cause then? The whole Muslim world hates the Palestinians (hence keeping them as refugees for going on nigh 50 years now). If it wasn't a non-Muslim holding dominance over them then no Muslim would give a shit (see: Syria).


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Skip8282 on November 20, 2012, 07:41:45 PM
Uuuh... excuse me?

4 years ago? Who broke the truce. Israel

Two weeks ago who broke the truce? Israel

JUST a truce made, who broke the truce again? Israel

If we look at the HISTORY of making peace and truces with Israel, Israel always brakes the truces and does NOT uphold an honest agreement EVER!

What about the Oslo Accords? Has Israel upheld it's part? NONE, it laughed at it pretty much and continued bulldozing thousands upon thousands of Palestinian homes. Building tens of thousands of settlements since and dividing and stealing Palestinian land.

People sincerely try to be looking the other way and be forgiving but israel ALWAYS breaks any agreement, truce or otherwise.



Hmmm...sounds like the Israeli's are fairly successful conquerors.

Now...if we can only get them to finish the job....



Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: garebear on November 20, 2012, 08:09:27 PM
That's the kind of bullshit that your brain has been pummelled with.

Everytime some israeli spokesperson comes on tv they will mention 500 rockets, 1000 rockets, 2000 rockets, 700 rockets, they just keep pumelling horse shit numbers like they are constantly under attack, near a holocaust, suffering daily.

Load of horse shit to fear monger and DISTORT the truth.

Hamas when they make a seize fire and truce they uphold it. I remember oh.. since 97 when i started paying attention to the situation.. or when arial sharon the 'bulldozer' ruled.. every single time israel broke a truce. And the same horse shit about playing victim is used.

I have a few buddies that went to israel, they have a frickin life, load of bullshit that they are 'constantly in danger'. The ones constantly in danger are palestinians who have various restrictions even if they are in israel. Racism, job issues, discrimination, etc.. and in jerusalem as israel has been anexxing jerusalem little by little. Jerusalem is suppose to be the capital of Palestine! And.. west bank and ESPECIALLY gaza!
Serious question. Would you hit it?


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Nirvana on November 20, 2012, 08:34:04 PM
Serious question. Would you hit it?
yes. her face is visible.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: andreisdaman on November 20, 2012, 10:42:07 PM
Why don't you go blow yourself up for the cause then? The whole Muslim world hates the Palestinians (hence keeping them as refugees for going on nigh 50 years now). If it wasn't a non-Muslim holding dominance over them then no Muslim would give a shit (see: Syria).


This is the smartest thing you've ever said....those GED classes are paying off big time!...good job ;)


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: andreisdaman on November 20, 2012, 10:42:52 PM
Serious question. Would you hit it?

of course


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: whork on November 21, 2012, 02:24:27 AM
Why don't you go blow yourself up for the cause then? The whole Muslim world hates the Palestinians (hence keeping them as refugees for going on nigh 50 years now). If it wasn't a non-Muslim holding dominance over them then no Muslim would give a shit (see: Syria).

Post of the day!!


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: 24KT on November 21, 2012, 11:09:03 AM
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I make you blush eh?

hmmmm, that makes me wonder..............and you live in Canada  :)

Oh nooo you don't! I know EXACTLY where you're trying to go with this, and you can turn your tush and start marching in the other direction! lol


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Grape Ape on November 21, 2012, 11:29:37 AM
Oh nooo you don't! I know EXACTLY where you're trying to go with this, and you can turn your tush and start marching in the other direction! lol

Translation:  She wants to see your butt, oz.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 21, 2012, 01:12:09 PM
Serious question. Would you hit it?

With a bat?  ;D


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Fury on November 21, 2012, 01:14:35 PM
Let's look at the disgusting Mohammedans in all their glory:

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_M2ncrqJPOw)



Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 21, 2012, 03:11:19 PM
Long live Palestine! Free free palestine. Nov 29th, the UN vote for Palestine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9obbRoJQ4BM


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 21, 2012, 03:15:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akN_2kWZXnU


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 21, 2012, 03:17:32 PM
(http://desertpeace.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/latruff.jpg?w=477)

(http://desertpeace.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/netanyahu-rabbi-marvin-hier-huffington-post-gaza.gif?w=954&h=674)

(http://desertpeace.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/netanyahu-terrorists-gaza.gif?w=477&h=622)

(http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/gazachildrennetanyahu1.jpg)


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 21, 2012, 03:19:53 PM
Israel's cyber propaganda garbage machine and trash:

http://gizmodo.com/5962492

They pay people to cover up the truth, distribute lies, and spread pro-israeli garbage propaganda. Undermine the palestinian's suffering and exaggerate and lie about israeli 'suffering'.

It's been in effect for quite a long time, but, since last two years or so it's come out in the open that they actually pay people to spread pro-israeli propaganda. Trolling internet forums, chat rooms, youtube, etc...


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 21, 2012, 03:22:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPWi6x8HshM


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 21, 2012, 03:51:38 PM
Dissecting IDF propaganda: The numbers behind the rocket attacks

In this brief study, I examine the many numbers cited by the Israeli military relating to Gaza rocket attacks into Israel.

To begin, Israeli spokespeople frequently remind the world that a million Israeli citizens are within range of Gaza rockets, twelve thousand of which have been fired into Israel in the last twelve years, inflicting thousands of injuries and several dead.

However, we are rarely told exactly how many people have been killed by these rocket attacks.

Counting the dead

Below is a list of all the fatalities of rocket and mortar attacks fired from the Gaza Strip into Israel in the entire history of these attacks. Throughout the years of rocket attacks into Israel, a total of 26 people have been killed altogether.

Fatalities from rocket and mortar attacks in Israel from the Gaza Strip
Date of attack   Name   Age   Location   Weapon
2004.06.28   Mordechai Yosephov   49   Sderot   Qassam
2004.06.28   Afik Ohion Zehavi   4   Sderot   Qassam
2004.09.29   Yuval Abebeh   4   Sderot   Qassam
2004.09.29   Dorit (Masarat) Benisian   2   Sderot   Qassam
2005.01.15   Ayala-Haya Abukasis   17   Sderot   Qassam
2005.07.15   Dana Gelkowitz   22   Moshav Nativ Ha‘asara   Qassam
2006.03.28   Salam Ziadin*    ?   Nahal Oz   Qassam‡
2006.03.28   Khalid Ziadin*   16   Nahal Oz   Qassam‡
2006.11.15   Faina Slutzker   57   Sderot   Qassam
2006.11.21   Yaakov Yaakobov   43   Sderot   Qassam
2007.05.21   Shirel Friedman   32   Sderot   Qassam
2007.05.27   Oshri Oz   36   Sderot   Qassam
2008.02.27   Roni Yihye   47   Sderot   Qassam
2008.05.09   Jimmy Kedoshim   48   Kibbutz Kfar Aza   mortar
2008.05.12   Shuli Katz   70   Moshav Yesha   Qassam
2008.06.05   Amnon Rosenberg   51   Kibbutz Nir-Oz   mortar
2008.12.27   Beber Vaknin   58   Netivot   Qassam
2008.12.29   Lutfi Nasraladin*†   38   IDF base near Nahal Oz   mortar
2008.12.29   Irit Sheetrit   39   Ashdod   Grad
2008.12.29   Hani al Mahdi*   27   Ashkelon   Grad
2010.03.18   Manee Singueanphon*   30   Moshav Nativ Ha‘asara   Qassam
2011.08.20   Yossi Shushan   38   Be’er sheva   Grad
2011.10.29   Moshe Ami   56   Ashkelon   Grad
2012.11.15   Yitzchak Amsalem   24   Kiryat Malachi   rocket
2012.11.15   Mira Sharf   25   Kiryat Malachi   rocket
2012.11.15   Aharon Smadja   49   Kiryat Malachi   rocket

Total fatalities in the history of rocket and mortar attacks
from Gaza into Israel: 26

Operation Cast Lead: December 27, 2008–January 18, 2009
Operation Pillar of Cloud: November 14, 2012–

The shaded rows in the table refer to fatalities sustained during Operation Cast Lead (December 27, 2008–January 18, 2009) and Operation Pillar of Cloud (November 14, 2012–).

Note that of the 26 fatalities from rocket and mortar attacks, more than one out of every four deaths occurred during these two operations, which were ostensibly designed to deter rocket attacks.

For the entire duration of the 2008 Hamas–Israel cease-fire—even after Israel had broken the cease-fire on Nov. 4—not a single person was killed by rocket or mortar fire into Israel. Yet approximately two hours after Israel’s commencement of Operation Cast Lead, one person in Israel was struck and killed by shrapnel from a Qassam rocket. Two days later, three more people were killed in Israel from Gaza rocket and mortar attacks.

And for an entire year before Operation Pillar of Cloud, not a single Israeli was killed by rocket or mortar. Yet approximately sixteen hours after Pillar of Cloud commenced, a rocket from Gaza killed three Israelis.

It was during both military operations that Israel endured the highest number of fatalities from Gaza rockets and mortars in the shortest time spans.

The data is too scant to a draw a more definite conclusion (and it is scant because fatalities are so rare), but one can suspect a pattern:

Rocket fatalities are more likely to happen during major Israel “anti-rocket” operations. Note that I say that fatalities are more likely to happen, rather than fatalities increase. Because fatalities are so rare, when they do happen in a burst, they appear more as instigations rather than incidental progressions.

This disputes the clichéd notion that rocket attacks are “designed to maximize civilian casualties.” Indeed, with such a low fatality rate and with the characteristic imprecision of the weapons, they cannot be expected to inflict a fatality most of the time.

At the same time, armed groups in Gaza are capable of increasing the likelihood of fatalities when prompted.

A verrry slow genocide

If we borrow the IDF’s claim that more than 12,000 rockets have been fired into Israel in the last twelve years (which I dispute later), we get a kill rate of less than 0.217%. Thus in order to secure a single kill, we should expect to fire about 500 rockets. However, if the goal is to specifically kill Jews rather than foreign workers and Palestinian laborers, then it gets harder. Only 21 Jews have been killed by this method, bringing the kill rate down to 0.175%.

If this sounds disturbing or even anti-Semitic, note that I am just testing the argument of the current Israeli ambassador Michael Oren, who, during Operation Cast Lead, co-wrote an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal claiming that the Gaza rockets and mortars were “more than a crude attempt to kill and terrorize civilians—they were expressions of a genocidal intent.”

Yet the statistics demonstrate that it is much less than a “crude attempt to kill.” One can imagine easier ways to kill a random person than to manufacture and fire 500+ homemade rockets.

As for genocide, at the going kill rate, it would require 4,477,714,286 rockets and mortars, and 4,477,714 years to kill all the Jews in Israel. This is assuming that Israel’s Jewish population does not increase. And of course we would need to factor in the limited range of the projectiles, which would require Israel’s non-growing Jewish population to all congregate in the western Negev by the year 4479726 CE, give or take a few years.

But by then, all of Israel’s Jewish population will have already been exterminated by the country’s other violent killer, automotive accidents.

It makes more sense, then, to suppose that there are political rationales for the firing of rockets and mortars.

The IDF’s mysterious deaths

Now that we’ve established that a total of twenty-six people have been killed by high-trajectory weapons from Gaza into Israel, let’s look at some of the numbers that the Israeli military has been peddling.

In keeping up with its social media focus, IDF 2.0 has been distributing infographics through Facebook, Twitter, and an official blog, encouraging subscribers to share the images. One recent infographic makes the following claims about the number of Israeli casualties from rocket attacks:

(http://mondoweiss.net/images/2012/11/IDF-Hamas-rocket-threat-1.jpg)

First, let’s compare the IDF’s fatalities numbers to the numbers that I’ve established:

Number of rocket/mortar fatalities by year, 2006–2011
    IDF claim   Established
2006   9   4
2007   10   2
2008   15   8
2009   2   0
2010   5   1
2011   3   2

For every year listed, the IDF’s rocket fatalities number is higher than what has been established. Could it be due to different interpretations of the figures? We can try to find out by examining the fatalities for each year:

2006
In 2006, at the tail end of the second intifada, there were several Israeli fatalities, including a suicide bombing in Tel Aviv, another suicide bombing in the West Bank, several shootings of soldiers and settlers in the West Bank,  two soldiers killed by sniper fire in separate incidents in the Gaza Strip, and the capture of Gilad Shalit in a Hamas/PRC operation that left two other soldiers dead. However, there were only two people who were killed in Israel by rocket strikes. Another two, a Bedouin father and son, were killed while attempting to move an unexploded Qassam rocket for salvaging. Their deaths are not listed in the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs page as deaths by Palestinian attacks. Nevertheless, I included them in my listing, making four deaths by rockets in 2006.

For 2006, it is unknown how the IDF transformed four rocket fatalities into nine.


2007

In 2007, two Qassam rockets killed two people in Sderot. There was one other incident in Israel that produced fatalities—a suicide bombing that killed three people in a bakery in Eilat. Beyond that, four soldiers were killed by gunfire in the West Bank, one settler was gunned down in a drive-by, another settler was stabbed to death by unknown assailants, and three soldiers were killed in separate gunfights in the Gaza Strip. Altogether, sixteen were killed, only two of whom were by rockets—not ten, as asserted by the IDF. The IDF’s claim is also contradicted by Shin Bet (the Israeli Security Agency), which reported that in 2007, “rocket fire killed two Israeli civilians.”

For 2007, it is unknown how the IDF transformed two fatalities into ten.

2008
In 2008, eight people were killed by rockets and mortars from Gaza. Four were killed in the first half of the year prior to the “tahdiya” ceasefire. As soon as Israel launched Operation Cast Lead, four more people were killed by Gaza rockets and mortars. Yet the IDF graphic claims 15 fatalities. Again, this claim is contradicted by the Shin Bet, which reported that in 2008,


8 people (4 during the final days of December) were killed by high-trajectory fire (rockets and mortars) from the Gaza Strip.

For 2008, it is unknown how the IDF transformed eight fatalities into fifteen.

2009
In 2009, there was one conflict-related civilian death in Israel by Palestinians: A Jewish Israeli taxi driver was strangled to death by three Palestinians as revenge for the IDF killing of a relative. Outside of that, a 16-year old boy in the Bat Ayin settlement was killed by a lone Palestinian with an axe, two police officers were shot to death in the Jordan Valley, a settler near Nablus was shot in a drive-by, and a soldier was killed by an explosive detonation on the Gaza border. No one in Israel was killed by rocket or mortar from Gaza, even though the IDF claims two.

This is corroborated by the Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center (ITIC), which stated that

In the two years since Operation Cast Lead there has been a significant decrease in the number of Israelis killed and wounded by terrorist organizations operating in the Gaza Strip. There have been five deaths, one civilian (a worker from Thailand) killed by a rocket attack [which was in 2010] and four IDF soldiers killed during counterterrorism activities.

At the start of 2009, during Cast Lead, nine IDF soldiers were killed in the Gaza Strip, four of which were by friendly fire. Of the remaining five, one was killed by a mortar round while the other was killed by an anti-tank missile.

2009
In 2009, there was one conflict-related civilian death in Israel by Palestinians: A Jewish Israeli taxi driver was strangled to death by three Palestinians as revenge for the IDF killing of a relative. Outside of that, a 16-year old boy in the Bat Ayin settlement was killed by a lone Palestinian with an axe, two police officers were shot to death in the Jordan Valley, a settler near Nablus was shot in a drive-by, and a soldier was killed by an explosive detonation on the Gaza border. No one in Israel was killed by rocket or mortar from Gaza, even though the IDF claims two.

This is corroborated by the Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center (ITIC), which stated that

In the two years since Operation Cast Lead there has been a significant decrease in the number of Israelis killed and wounded by terrorist organizations operating in the Gaza Strip. There have been five deaths, one civilian (a worker from Thailand) killed by a rocket attack [which was in 2010] and four IDF soldiers killed during counterterrorism activities.

At the start of 2009, during Cast Lead, nine IDF soldiers were killed in the Gaza Strip, four of which were by friendly fire. Of the remaining five, one was killed by a mortar round while the other was killed by an anti-tank missile.

For 2009, there were no deaths in Israel from Gaza rockets or mortars.  The only way to claim two fatalities would be to include the deaths of two soldiers engaged in a military invasion inside the Gaza Strip, which would be misleading for the message being conveyed by the infographic.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: garebear on November 21, 2012, 03:54:08 PM
Ahmed, why do you never post links to your stories?



Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 21, 2012, 03:54:29 PM
2010
The IDF inexplicably attributes five deaths in 2010 to Hamas rockets and mortars. There were either nine or eleven Israeli fatalities relating to the Palestine/Israel conflict in that year, depending on the interpretation: the Shin Bet says there were nine fatalities relating to the conflict, while the Ministry of Foreign Affairs records eleven. Of the eleven fatalities listed by the MFA, two were committed by a Palestinian criminal gang (one strangulation and one stabbing), one was a knifing of an IDF soldier in the West Bank, four settlers were killed by gunfire in their car on a segregated road near Hebron, two soldiers entered the Gaza Strip and were killed in a shootout with Palestinian gunmen, and one police officer was shot to death just south of Hebron. Only one fatality was due to a Qassam rocket.

For 2010, it is unknown how the IDF transformed one fatality into five.

2011
In 2011, there were only two rocket fatalities. The third fatality could be attributed to the April 7, 2011 killing of Daniel Vlific by an anti-tank missile. I explain in the note below why his death is generally not considered a high-trajectory rocket/mortar fatality. However, in this case, the IDF graphic does depict anti-tank missiles as part of the “Hamas Rocket Threat,” so the count of three fatalities can be considered correct. (Note, however, that in another IDF graphic, also entited “Hamas Rocket Threat,” anti-tank missiles are not included, as their limited ranges would undermine the intended message of a far-reaching threat.)

Thus, for 2011, the IDF number is correct if we include an anti-tank missile strike on April 7.

Conclusion
In the infographic, all of the IDF’s fatality numbers are exaggerated, with the exception of the fatality number for 2011.

Wounded by “shock”

The same IDF infographic lists the number of people injured by rocket/mortar attacks. Thus we learn, for example, that in 2008, 611 people were injured by rocket and mortar attacks:

(http://mondoweiss.net/images/2012/11/IDF-Hamas-rocket-threat-1b.jpg)

For obvious reasons, counting the injured requires more subjective assessment than counting the dead. And when it comes to Gazan rockets and mortars, Israeli authorities push the limits of subjectivity.

Gaza rockets have produced so few casualties that in the absence of deaths and serious injuries, Israeli authorities have resorted to detailing how many people were “treated for shock,” which the press has duly noted over the years.

Thus we are treated to shocking reports such as this Nov. 12 Haaretz article, concerning a rocket that landed on the yard of a house in Netivot:

The hit on Netivot left no casualties, but 20 people were treated for shock after the incident. [My emphases here and below]

And here’s the Jerusalem Post on Nov. 15:

MDA [Israeli emergency medical responders] on Wednesday treated a total of 16 people for injury or shock after a bevy of rockets fired from the Gaza Strip struck Israeli territory.

Injury or shock? How many of the 16 were physically injured?

According to MDA, two people were lightly injured in Beersheba, one from shattered glass and the other from falling down the stairs. Fourteen more were treated for shock as well, 12 in Beersheba and two in Sderot.

Though Haaretz may make a distinction between “casualties” and those treated for shock (which confirms that we are talking about acute stress response, rather than, say, hypovolemic or cardiogenic shock), not everybody does so.

The Shin Bet, for instance, claims that rocket attacks in 2007 “lightly injured more than 300 persons, most of whom suffered shock.”

The following year, the Shin Bet reported that out of the supposedly 630 Israelis wounded in “terror attacks” in 2008,

The majority of the wounded in 2008 (about 400 people) were wounded by high-trajectory fire from the Gaza Strip. This data includes victims of shock as a result of high-trajectory fire.

Shin Bet numbers on injuries aren’t available for every year, so let’s just compare the 2007 and 2008 rocket injuries number with the IDF’s:

Number of injuries from Gaza rocket and mortar attacks into Israel
                IDF   Shin Bet
2007     578   more than 300 (most from shock)
2008    611   about 400 (including victims of shock)

How did the IDF come up with more than 200 injuries than the Shin Bet for each year? And are the Shin Bet figures subsets of the IDF figures (meaning the IDF also included hundreds of victims of “shock”), or are they different (meaning the IDF actually found much more than 200 additional injuries per year)?

Regardless, there seems to be some very loose playing with the numbers. Oh, but it gets looser...

Number of rockets and mortars fired into Israel from Gaza

For its latest invasion of Gaza, Israel unveiled a cool new feature that rivals all your iPad apps: the Rocket Counter widget. Now you never have to guess how many rockets have hit Israel. You only have to wonder why the numbers are so damn inconsistent:

(http://mondoweiss.net/images/2012/11/IDF-rocket-counter.png)
According to the IDF Rocket Counter widget, some time between Nov. 15, 2012 (left) and Nov. 16, 2012 (right), Gaza militant groups fired 24 rockets out of the year 2011.

The screenshot on the left shows the widget display on Thursday, November 15. The screenshot on the right shows the widget display a day later. On Thursday, the widget explained that there were 651 rockets that hit Israel in 2011. On Friday, the number changed to 627, despite the fact that the year 2011 is too recent to have made a comeback.

Moreover, supposedly 122 rockets had hit Israel between the time of the screenshots on Thursday and Friday (396–274=122). It would follow, then, that the full 2012 figure of 822 would also increase by 122, giving us a total of 944. Instead it jumped to 1,197, an increase of 375 (1197–822=375). What accounts for the 253-rocket surplus in 2012 and the 24-rocket deficit in 2011?

Part of the explanation may lie in another chart that the IDF has been peddling. The bar chart below, taken from the IDF blog, purports to show the number of rockets fired into Israel from the Gaza Strip.

(http://mondoweiss.net/images/2012/11/IDF-bar-graph.png)

The Rocker Counter widget appeared on the same blog page, and on Thursday, it seemed peculiar that two IDF graphics on a single page gave contradictory reports on how many rockets were fired in 2011. Eventually the widget was perhaps adjusted to conform to the bar chart.

However, it still does not explain why the other widget numbers do not add up. Nor does it explain where the 651 figure came from.

To make matters even more complicated, the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) has long promoted the figures collected by the Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center (ITIC).

Below is a comparison of the number of Gaza rocket and mortar attacks into Israel, accoording to both the IDF and the ITIC.

Number of rocket and mortar attacks from Gaza,
by year, as reported by the IDF and the ITIC


   IDF   ITIC
2001   510   249
2002   661   292
2003   848   420
2004   1528   1157
2005   488   417
2006   1123   968
2007   2427   1536
2008   3278   2471
2009   774   266
2010   231   156
2011   627    n/a
2012   1197+    n/a

Note the wide discrepency for almost every year, with the IDF numbers being significantly higher than the ITIC numbers. We can add to the embarrassment by referring to a page about “The Hamas Terror War Against Israel” on the website of the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which reproduces both the IDF bar chart and rocket numbers as reported by ITIC—contradictory information, presented together in a single page by the Israeli government, in order to explain “The Hamas Terror War Against Israel.”


And then consider a quote by the Israeli ambassador to the US, Michael Oren, in an interview conducted on November 14:

This government has exhibited superhuman restraint: 2,500 rockets since 2009. Last month, 800 rockets. In the last week, 300 rockets. What government in the world wouldn’t have responded with war a long time ago?

No other Israeli agency claims that 800 rockets were fired in October 2012. Shin Bet claims 171 rockets and mortars were fired from Gaza in October.

Conclusion

It can be argued that numbers ultimately don’t matter: One death is a death too many; one rocket is a rocket too many. But if that is the case, why do the IDF and related Israeli agencies need to inflate or fabricate numbers? Why has the numbers game been the cornerstone of Israeli rhetoric about rockets, as depicted in these other recent IDF graphics:

(http://mondoweiss.net/images/2012/11/IDF-zillion-rockets.jpg)

One of the most cynical uses of numbers is in this tweet by IDF spokesperson Maj. Peter Lerner:

(http://mondoweiss.net/images/2012/11/IDF-Lerner-tweet.png)

Perhaps inadvertently hinting at the causality (422 Gaza rockets fired since the start of Operation Pillar of Cloud), Lerner offers a circular argument, suggesting that the IDF military operation in Gaza is a justifiable response to the Gazan response to the operation itself. Operation Pillar of Cloud is necessary to prevent actions—which are a response to the operation—from ever happening. And the fact that it has since happened, justifies having made it happen, to prevent it from happening again.

The same reasoning applies to this new IDF graphic:

(http://mondoweiss.net/images/2012/11/IDF-three-civilians.png)

After a full year of no Israelis being killed by rocket fire from Gaza, Israel had to invade Gaza, prompting the new killing of three Israeli civilians, which provides retroactive justification for the prompting itself.

Still, this is part of the story. As much as the IDF loves to play with numbers, there are certain numbers that it avoids, such as the numbers behind the artillery fire leveled against Gaza, which rivals the number of rocket attacks from Gaza.

That will be treated in a future post.

Notes on the rocket and mortar fatalities table
Sources include, but are not limited to, the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Israeli Prime Minister’s Office, the Israel Project, the Jerusaelm Post, B’Tselem, and numerous press articles. I made a point of referring to official Israeli and pro-Israeli sources, and then cross-checking them with one another. Some ages and spellings of names vary in press reports.
* Five of the 26 fatalities were non-Jewish: Salam Ziadin, Khalid Ziadin, and Hani al Mahdi were Bedouin; Lutfi Nasraladin was Druze; Manee Singueanphon was a Thai national.
† The only non-civilian fatality in Israel, Sgt.-Major Lutfi Nasraladin was killed in a mortar attack on an IDF military base.
‡ Salam and Khalid Ziadin were killed while handling an unexploded Qassam rocket for salvaging. The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs does not include the Ziadins in its list of “Victims of Palestinian Violence and Terrorism.”

This list does not include:
1. Palestinians killed by rocket or mortar misfire in the Gaza Strip.
2. People killed by Gaza rockets and mortars targeted inside the Gaza Strip. Prior to the so-called Gaza “disengagement,” illegal Israeli settlements within Gaza were targeted by rockets and mortars. They were not aimed inside Israel, and none of the rocket counts that I describe in this article include rockets and mortars that were aimed inside the Gaza Strip. They also do not form part of the rhetoric that rockets and mortars from Gaza constitute an “existential threat” to Israel.
In Gaza settlements and the Erez Industrial Zone, rocket and mortar attacks inflicted eight civilian fatalities: three Israeli Jews, three foreign laborers from Thailand and China, and two Palestinian laborers from Khan Younis.
Additionally there were two IDF fatalities in Gaza settlements, including a soldier killed while on his way to guard duty in Kfar Darom and a soldier killed at an IDF outpost in the Morag settlement.
All other rocket and mortar fatalities within Gaza were directed against IDF soldiers engaged in military operations outside of settlements.
3. One fatality in Israel by anti-tank missile. The rockets-and-mortars rhetoric refers to high-trajectory ordnances deployed with the following qualities: indirect fire, which coupled with a high inaccuracy rate results in nondiscriminatory targeting; a wide range that encompasses significant portions of southern Israel; and a high deployment frequency.
Anti-tank missiles are direct-fire ordnances with a more limited range and have been used infrequently against civilian targets by Gazan armed groups. There has been one civilian fatality from an anti-tank missile fired from the Gaza Strip into Israel (Daniel Viflic, age 16, killed on April 7, 2011, near Kibbutz Sa‘ad, by an anti-tank missile that struck the bus he was riding in). B’Tselem does not include this instance in its count of rocket and mortar fatalities.

http://mondoweiss.net/2012/11/dissecting-idf-propaganda-the-numbers-behind-the-rocket-attacks.html


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: 24KT on November 21, 2012, 04:17:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPWi6x8HshM

The ironic absurdity is, the ancestors and extended families of many in that crowd were themselves the recipients of this same kind of genocidal bloodlust from Europeans.

While the NAZI's chanted, paraded and called for the extermination of the Jews, the rest of the world sat back & turned a blind eye. Now the very descendants of those fortunate enough to have survived that holocaust, are supporting an entirely new holocaust, one in which they are the ones committing the genocide, ...and the world continues to turn a blind eye.

Just as before... American war-profiteers are financing, arming and supporting the brutal genocidal regime committing these crimes against humanity because as Smedly Butler once stated, "War is a racket"... and history repeats...



Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: garebear on November 21, 2012, 04:25:01 PM
The ironic absurdity is, the ancestors and extended families of many in that crowd were themselves the recipients of this same kind of genocidal bloodlust from Europeans.

While the NAZI's chanted, paraded and called for the extermination of the Jews, the rest of the world sat back & turned a blind eye. Now the very descendants of those fortunate enough to have survived that holocaust, are supporting an entirely new holocaust, one in which they are the ones committing the genocide, ...and the world continues to turn a blind eye.

Just as before... American war-profiteers are financing, arming and supporting the brutal genocidal regime committing these crimes against humanity because as Smedly Butler once stated, "War is a racket"... and history repeats...


There's a genocide? How many have been killed?



Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: 24KT on November 21, 2012, 04:26:13 PM
There's a genocide? How many have been killed?


Too many.  :'(


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: garebear on November 21, 2012, 04:29:04 PM
Too many.  :'(
Is this genocide worse than Rwanda?



Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 21, 2012, 04:31:54 PM
Is this genocide worse than Rwanda?



Genocide can be slow or fast. Things like Bosnia, Rwanada, Hitler's war, were fast genocides. What we have here is a slow gradual genocide under the guise of powerful deception where the victim is made out to be the criminal and has no voice, and the criminal is made out to be the victim and has more than a voice, but an absolute dominance over what is said and done.

Do you know how many UN resolutions have been internationally made by various parties in the last several decades? SINCE THE INCEPTION of israel. Even though ironcially it is the league of nations/UN that CREATED israel... from the very start there were UN resolutions AGAINST Israel's crimes, whether it was forced expulsions, land theft, massacres, etc...

Every single UN resolution has been veto'd by the US! Where is the justice??? There is none!

Not to mention the US has been arming and funding like wellfare israelis.

ZIONISM was voted upon as RACISM and it stood as such in front of the UN... UNTIL the 90s when George Bush Sr. FORCEFULLY overturned this UN resolution. THE ONLY UN resolutoin in the history of the UN to be over turned.

What does that tell you???


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 21, 2012, 04:39:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogxeTxD_kZ4


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: 24KT on November 21, 2012, 04:49:47 PM
Is this genocide worse than Rwanda?


All genocides are horrible, but they are what they are, and are easily identified as such. This one on the other hand is unique in that it has been deliberately framed as a defensive action, by the aggressors, in an attempt to deceive the world and gain support for the genocide. It is a genocide, by way of deception. As is most things they do, it is done by way of deception.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: OzmO on November 21, 2012, 04:55:11 PM
It's not a genocide any more than its ww3.

Lol


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: 24KT on November 21, 2012, 04:57:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogxeTxD_kZ4

They always try to distract & deceive you from what is really taking place.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 21, 2012, 05:02:43 PM
Not to take the thread off topic... but everyone should watch the documentary on vanunu.. and how he was kidnapped, tortured, imprisoned, etc... really sad... man is a hero for exposing Israel's nuclear program and nuclear weapons program.

It's interesting how it is Israeli intel that was given to US and Britain to invade Iraq... false evidence.. there was no WMD, and as was found out, Saddam long stopped any nuclear weapons program and any kind of chemical/bio program. Complete farce to make US invade Iraq...

Then the same lies are being played with Iran.. and I don't know how STUPID people can be... but certainly people can be very stupid and are falling for the same lines yet again...


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: 24KT on November 21, 2012, 05:14:00 PM
Not to take the thread off topic... but everyone should watch the documentary on vanunu.. and how he was kidnapped, tortured, imprisoned, etc... really sad... man is a hero for exposing Israel's nuclear program and nuclear weapons program.

It's interesting how it is Israeli intel that was given to US and Britain to invade Iraq... false evidence.. there was no WMD, and as was found out, Saddam long stopped any nuclear weapons program and any kind of chemical/bio program. Complete farce to make US invade Iraq...

Then the same lies are being played with Iran.. and I don't know how STUPID people can be... but certainly people can be very stupid and are falling for the same lines yet again...

Ironically GWB is looking better everyday. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, ...you can't get fooled again". Let's hope anyway.

Everything they do is "By Way of Deception" (which by the way happens to be a great book. If you haven't read it, it is very eye opening)

A Canadian journalist along with a former MOSSAD agent reveal the inner workings of MOSSAD, and a few previous exercises..

When it was first published in 1990, many Jewish organizations tried to get the book banned. They didn't succeed in doing so.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 21, 2012, 05:18:47 PM
Back in 2007... I was telling everyone that Obama will be no better... My wife's family being part african, naturally (idiotically) were pro-obama. I tried to talk sense into them... it was hard... the wife eventually picked pu on what I was talking about when I showed what a liar/hypocrite he is. People don't have a keen eye for detail and get fooled easily by flashy bs poetic speeches.. of course I turned out right :)

I also had quite a few totally brainwashed drones at work.. who had this 'look' in their eyes... about 'hope' with Obama.. I was like what are you guys talking about?!? Snap out of it lol... aaah its madness :)

The difference between democrats and republicans is... democrats will smile at you but back stab you.. republicans will stab you with a straight face. Same shit, different coin, different style, different actors, same agenda and outcome.

The world is a far worse off place since... Bush attacked two countries. Obama attacked five more... and people were magically DEAF.. but Obama pre-elections kept talking about bombing Pakistan.. and he indeed did and does to this day with drones. Thousands of Pakistani women and children have been murdered by Obama's death drone armies...

The world sucks to live in every day that passes and I reckon things will only get worse in the short term  :(

These morons -- in particular US and Israel -- want to start world war 3 and are blood thirsty savages... man...

And our own country has been hijacked by war mongering garbage... Canada was once known for being a peace loving nation internationally, now .. well.. all the american wanabeness is making us sink internationally...

I just remember that sickening speech by Harper where he said he will do anything to defend Israel even if it means destroying Canada's reputation. And it's not surprise he got an 'award' from none other than Henry Kissinger:

(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/1xstUczAzfSKgjdKDwgnbA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD00MTI7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2012-09-27T232812Z_925417398_GM1E89S0KJB01_RTRMADP_3_NEWYORK-HARPER.JPG)

I wonder when this slithering snake Kissinger will outlive his age and stop creeping around.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: 24KT on November 21, 2012, 07:19:45 PM
We may have the "reputation" as a peace loving nation, but as a nation, our hands are in no ways clean. While we've had our PR machines working overtime, we've had our own soldiers covertly fighting mercenary wars all over the globe to destabilize countries, and set up corrupt puppet regimes all over the world, regimes who have no problems dismantling national sovereignty, enslaving the populations, and sending the countries into death spirals of debt.

While we may be regarded as "peacekeepers" the world over, ...the truth is, some of our soldiers are doing some serious shit, and are involved in things that we as a nation supposedly publicly condemn.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: 24KT on November 21, 2012, 07:21:58 PM

I wonder when this slithering snake Kissinger will outlive his age and stop creeping around.

I don't know why, but for many years I had actually thought he was dead.
I can't tell you how disappointed I was when I learned he was actually still alive.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: mogulgangi on November 21, 2012, 08:48:16 PM
What the Elite Hamas forces specialize in..


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: tbombz on November 21, 2012, 09:03:33 PM
Back in 2007... I was telling everyone that Obama will be no better... My wife's family being part african, naturally (idiotically) were pro-obama. I tried to talk sense into them... it was hard... the wife eventually picked pu on what I was talking about when I showed what a liar/hypocrite he is. People don't have a keen eye for detail and get fooled easily by flashy bs poetic speeches.. of course I turned out right :)

I also had quite a few totally brainwashed drones at work.. who had this 'look' in their eyes... about 'hope' with Obama.. I was like what are you guys talking about?!? Snap out of it lol... aaah its madness :)

The difference between democrats and republicans is... democrats will smile at you but back stab you.. republicans will stab you with a straight face. Same shit, different coin, different style, different actors, same agenda and outcome.

The world is a far worse off place since... Bush attacked two countries. Obama attacked five more... and people were magically DEAF.. but Obama pre-elections kept talking about bombing Pakistan.. and he indeed did and does to this day with drones. Thousands of Pakistani women and children have been murdered by Obama's death drone armies...

The world sucks to live in every day that passes and I reckon things will only get worse in the short term  :(

These morons -- in particular US and Israel -- want to start world war 3 and are blood thirsty savages... man...

And our own country has been hijacked by war mongering garbage... Canada was once known for being a peace loving nation internationally, now .. well.. all the american wanabeness is making us sink internationally...

I just remember that sickening speech by Harper where he said he will do anything to defend Israel even if it means destroying Canada's reputation. And it's not surprise he got an 'award' from none other than Henry Kissinger:

(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/1xstUczAzfSKgjdKDwgnbA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD00MTI7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2012-09-27T232812Z_925417398_GM1E89S0KJB01_RTRMADP_3_NEWYORK-HARPER.JPG)

I wonder when this slithering snake Kissinger will outlive his age and stop creeping around.

dude,  the problem is ISLAM. period. what dont you understand about the problem associated with believing a violent man was the messenger of god?


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 22, 2012, 10:11:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSX6MccWW20


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Ron on November 22, 2012, 10:46:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSX6MccWW20

Yes, look at what Hamas did to its own people.  Hamas, the so called leaders of Gaza (who took over Gaza violently by overthrowing Fatah), have destroyed years of hard work by the Palestinian people to build a place to live.  So instead of having good schools, nice places to go to - Hamas decided to put rocket launchers in these places firing missiles, KNOWING that Israel will strike back at these locations because of  their radar they have.

Pathetic. 

What kind of leaders choose to kill their own people? What kind of leaders choose to target a bus of women and children instead of a legitimate military target. Hamas does! And until the Palestinians realize that, oh well.  But wait... they DO realize that.  But anytime one of them speaks out in favor of peace, they got shot, killed, dragged in the streets by Hamas.  The Palestinian people need help... from Hamas. 

I wish that Egypt puts the pressure on Hamas to negotiate.  But alas... wishful thinking.

Once again, blame Israel for the hundreds of rockets Hamas fired... nice...


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Conker on November 22, 2012, 11:15:15 AM
It doesn't matter what Hamas does in its own country or how bad they might be, it does not in anyway alter the fact that Israel is making a complete of mockery of the International Community and it's Laws by moving half a million of its own civilian population into a country that not a single nation on earth supports it right to be in.

Until Israel shows some real indication that it is ready to start complying with international law, it has no place whatsoever to try and claim it's the victim.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: freespirit on November 22, 2012, 11:33:06 AM
 ???


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 22, 2012, 01:30:39 PM
Ron what non-senes. Fatah was bought out by Israelis no one wanted those puppets. Hamas was democratically elected.

Yes Israel and the US don't like Hamas being democratically elected, but what's new? Democracy only goes the 'american way' or in this case 'israeli way'. If you don't like a democratically elected government, bomb the country, install a puppet by force. That's what you want? That's what happens.

Abbas is not the 'president of palesitne'. He is a puppet too everyone knows it. Hello? That's why he is called the 'acting' palestinian authority lol. Both the US and Israel have pushed for him hardcore post elections when Hamas was elected.

However even Abbas has his limits, he will not be an all out traitor and has feelings, but then that does not sit well with either the US or Israel.

US cut funding UN when Palestinians wanted a state?

Wow... such 'heart felt' sincerity for helping the world. Hypocrites.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 22, 2012, 01:34:57 PM
dude,  the problem is ISLAM. period. what dont you understand about the problem associated with believing a violent man was the messenger of god?

(http://api.ning.com/files/Xn6RV5Y50pbFK-4nfM7GdDho7NF3Lm7FDmT9YQonKh4_/orly.jpg)

Last I heard Israelis are the ones bombing the hell out of palestinians christian and muslim indiscriminately while then telling the world "oh it was clearly a terrorist we killed"

I guess that's where some US marines got their tactic of killing Iraqis and carrying AK47s and then saying oh clearly they were terrorists because hey we placed an ak47 next to them!


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 22, 2012, 01:47:00 PM
Because even a person you bribe or try to control if they see their own people being unjustly abused will eventually revert back to his people unless they're a heartless savage:

Abbas congratulates Hamas over victory against Israel

[ 23 November 2012 00:20 ]

Baku-APA. Acting Palestinian Authority chief Mahmoud Abbas has congratulated Hamas over the resistance movement’s victory in the eight-day-long Israeli military onslaught on the blockaded Gaza Strip, APA reports.

"In a telephone conversation, Abu Mazen (Abbas) congratulated Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh on his victory and offered condolences for the martyrs," a Hamas statement said on Thursday.


Abbas also hailed Palestinians’ steadfastness against the recent Israeli aggression.

Egypt announced on Wednesday that the Israeli regime and the Palestinian resistance movement, Hamas, had reached a ceasefire agreement.

On November 14, Israel launched a deadly offensive on the besieged Gaza Strip, which killed more than 160 Palestinians and injured some 1,200 others.

Palestinian resistance fighters incessantly poured rockets and missiles onto the Israeli cities, killing at least five Israelis, including one soldier, in retaliation for the deadly attacks on Gaza.

Haniyeh, for his part, briefed Abbas of the situation in Gaza after the ceasefire with Israel, and expressed support for the Palestinian bid for achieving Observer State status at the United Nations.

The UN General Assembly is set to vote on November 29 on Palestine's resolution calling for it to be upgraded to Observer State status at the UN.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: 24KT on November 22, 2012, 02:09:28 PM
Hamas, the so called leaders of Gaza (who took over Gaza violently by overthrowing Fatah), have destroyed years of hard work by the Palestinian people to build a place to live.

This is either propaganda, disinformation, a lie, or a mistake.
In any event, it is incorrect. Hamas did not violently overthrow Fatah.
Democratic elections were held, and Hamas was elected to form the government of Gaza. All governments have a military wing, just as the USA government, as well as the Israeli government.

Decades of hard work by the Palestinian people is being destroyed NOT by Hamas, but by Israeli. It was Israel that was bombing Gaza. It was Israel that stated their goal was to bomb Gaza back into the middle ages. It is israel that is destroying civilian infrastructure in Gaza, not Hamas.

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So instead of having good schools, nice places to go to - Hamas decided to put rocket launchers in these places firing missiles, KNOWING that Israel will strike back at these locations because of  their radar they have.

Pathetic.

If one is familiar with the geography of Gaza, they would realize it is a very narrow strip of land approx 20 miles long by approx 3.5 miles  wide in which over 1 million people are cramped. (40km by 7km).

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What kind of leaders choose to kill their own people? What kind of leaders choose to target a bus of women and children instead of a legitimate military target.

That's the question the world has been asking ever since the Zionists stated that 1 cow in Palestine was worth more than 100,000 Jews from Auswichz. It has been asking that since it was disclosed that Israel was doing disgusting medical experiments on Jewish children (orphans)

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And until the Palestinians Israeli citizens realize that, oh well.  But wait... they DO realize that.  But anytime one of them speaks out in favor of peace, they got shot, killed, dragged in the streets or called self-hating Jews by Hamas blood-thirsty Zionists.  The Palestinian people need help... from Hamas psycopathic Zionists.  

I wish that Egypt puts the pressure on Hamas to negotiate.  But alas... wishful thinking.

Once again, blame Israel for the hundreds of rockets Hamas fired... nice...

Hamas has already signalled it's desire & intent to not only negotiate, but to also keep it's agreements. It is israel who has a problem maintaining & adhering to it's own agreements.

No one is blaming Israel for the rockets Hamas has fired in defense of Gaza, people blame Israel for the brutal savagery they employ while stealing land, violating human rights, snubbing their noses at international law, countless UN Resolutions, and their disgusting attempts at ethnic cleansing/genocide in order to steal even more land, and subjugate an entire people.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: _bruce_ on November 22, 2012, 02:30:52 PM
Yes, look at what Hamas did to its own people.  Hamas, the so called leaders of Gaza (who took over Gaza violently by overthrowing Fatah), have destroyed years of hard work by the Palestinian people to build a place to live.  So instead of having good schools, nice places to go to - Hamas decided to put rocket launchers in these places firing missiles, KNOWING that Israel will strike back at these locations because of  their radar they have.

Pathetic. 

What kind of leaders choose to kill their own people? What kind of leaders choose to target a bus of women and children instead of a legitimate military target. Hamas does! And until the Palestinians realize that, oh well.  But wait... they DO realize that.  But anytime one of them speaks out in favor of peace, they got shot, killed, dragged in the streets by Hamas.  The Palestinian people need help... from Hamas. 

I wish that Egypt puts the pressure on Hamas to negotiate.  But alas... wishful thinking.

Once again, blame Israel for the hundreds of rockets Hamas fired.
.. nice...


x2


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 22, 2012, 02:51:04 PM
This is either propaganda, disinformation, a lie, or a mistake.
In any event, it is incorrect. Hamas did not violently overthrow Fatah.
Democratic elections were held, and Hamas was elected to form the government of Gaza. All governments have a military wing, just as the USA government, as well as the Israeli government.

Decades of hard work by the Palestinian people is being destroyed NOT by Hamas, but by Israeli. It was Israel that was bombing Gaza. It was Israel that stated their goal was to bomb Gaza back into the middle ages. It is israel that is destroying civilian infrastructure in Gaza, not Hamas.

If one is familiar with the geography of Gaza, they would realize it is a very narrow strip of land approx 20 miles long by approx 3.5 miles  wide in which over 1 million people are cramped. (40km by 7km).

That's the question the world has been asking ever since the Zionists stated that 1 cow in Palestine was worth more than 100,000 Jews from Auswichz. It has been asking that since it was disclosed that Israel was doing disgusting medical experiments on Jewish children (orphans)

Hamas has already signalled it's desire & intent to not only negotiate, but to also keep it's agreements. It is israel who has a problem maintaining & adhering to it's own agreements.

No one is blaming Israel for the rockets Hamas has fired in defense of Gaza, people blame Israel for the brutal savagery they employ while stealing land, violating human rights, snubbing their noses at international law, countless UN Resolutions, and their disgusting attempts at ethnic cleansing/genocide in order to steal even more land, and subjugate an entire people.

Excellent response


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 22, 2012, 05:37:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNQ4LcMkt14

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nM-i3DFH0M


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: pedro01 on November 22, 2012, 06:02:55 PM
Meanwhile, in Thailand....

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Pattani school director killed on way to funeral

(http://www.nationmultimedia.com/new/2012/11/23/national/images/30194868-01_big.jpg)

A school director was fatally shot near her school as she was driving to a funeral in Pattani's Nong Chik district yesterday.

Nuntana Kaewchan, 51, of Banta Kamcham School was shot in the face and torso. She was taken to a nearby hospital but succumbed to her injuries there.

Police said Nuntana was driving her car to the funeral of a police officer. She was about 100 metres from her school when two men hiding near a fence emerged and sprayed the car with bullets. The gunmen then escaped into the nearby bush.

Five bullet casings from an M16 rifle and 15 spent shells from a 9mm pistol were found at the scene, police said.

After the attacks, Banta Kamcham and other nearby schools abruptly suspended classes. Soldiers escorted teachers and students to prevent more attacks.

Nuntana is the 154th school employee to fall victim to violence in the South.

Yup - Muslims again...


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 23, 2012, 11:14:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfF07HSsfGc


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 23, 2012, 11:24:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShzjYA_c2Ko


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 23, 2012, 11:25:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMFAfQJKlAM


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Shockwave on November 23, 2012, 11:25:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfF07HSsfGc
Looks like they took the hint and got the eff away from the fence.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Grape Ape on November 23, 2012, 11:58:31 AM
Yes, Hamas should be negotiated  with because they, and that region's history is littered with cause for benefit of the doubt.   ::)

Even thought everyone knows the Arabs are animals and can't be reasoned with (this is why every time there's some new "outrage" against the Koran and they start burning embassies, people blame the guys who caused the "outrage"), people figure if they can just get Israel to "knock it off" it'll calm down.

Basically the civilized world is forcing itself to pretend Arab countries aren't filled with shitty little retards who only know how to break shit, kill people, and hate Jews.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Shockwave on November 23, 2012, 11:59:39 AM
Basically the civilized world is forcing itself to pretend Arab countries aren't filled with shitty little retards who only know how to break shit, kill people, and hate Jews.
Fucking lol.
Indeed my friend. Always trying to treat the symptom, not the problem.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 23, 2012, 03:21:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhbPUge83Fs


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: garebear on November 23, 2012, 04:28:47 PM
Ever notice how most people tend to care more for their side than life itself.

You're all a bunch of pathetic morons.

Too bad the adults can't just kill each other off. You no longer deserve to live if you're more interested in your side than human life.



Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Shockwave on November 23, 2012, 05:02:52 PM
Ever notice how most people tend to care more for their side than life itself.

You're all a bunch of pathetic morons.

Too bad the adults can't just kill each other off. You no longer deserve to live if you're more interested in your side than human life.


People die dude. That's life. The one fact you can't escape, is that everyone dies. I don't pretend to shed a tear for every person that dies early or innocently. If that makes me a monster, then so be it.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Roger Bacon on November 23, 2012, 06:36:09 PM
Ever notice how most people tend to care more for their side than life itself.

Did you when you joined the military?


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: freespirit on November 23, 2012, 11:50:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPWi6x8HshM


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: garebear on November 24, 2012, 02:25:09 AM
Did you when you joined the military?
No, I didn't join the military for a 'side'.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: whork on November 24, 2012, 06:21:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfF07HSsfGc

I wish the soldiers had shoot those animals


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 24, 2012, 11:12:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb6IiSUxpgw


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 24, 2012, 11:18:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvL_FphvRos


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 24, 2012, 09:24:14 PM
and anonymous did wreck cyber havoc on israel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q760tsz1Z7M


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Shockwave on November 24, 2012, 09:51:48 PM
and anonymous did wreck cyber havoc on israel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q760tsz1Z7M
Im sure Israel is shaking in their boots.
Seriously, anon can be badasses but I highly doubt they are more than a minor inconvenience.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 25, 2012, 10:41:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0gEANzQcfY


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 26, 2012, 04:54:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb1Y42SS3S4


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 26, 2012, 05:57:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME7OF1h3NQc


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 28, 2012, 03:49:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5drXEXkf9s

Tomorrow is the vote

So far Australia, France and Spain of the once 'opposing nations' will side with Palestine and not the US or Israhell


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 29, 2012, 09:59:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ikuDwicCcw


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 29, 2012, 10:15:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifEGiJ2ZxDM


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 29, 2012, 10:16:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZtaExPEJZA


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Shockwave on November 29, 2012, 11:08:01 AM
I hear Israel is winning.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Thick Nick on November 29, 2012, 11:49:13 AM
Hey Assmed...   In case you forgot, a friendly reminder. Islam is a death cult, Mohammed fucked pigs and little children, Allah is really Satan, and maybe some day... just before you die... someone will bitch slap you with a piece of bacon. Oh yeah and the Koran is great for toilet paper. Hope this helps.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 29, 2012, 01:18:57 PM
Nearly 80 per cent of the 193 member states are expected to vote yes, including 14 EU states plus Norway and Switzerland. Italy this afternoon became the latest major European state to say it would vote yes.

Free free palestine :D


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Shockwave on November 29, 2012, 01:20:26 PM
Nearly 80 per cent of the 193 member states are expected to vote yes, including 14 EU states plus Norway and Switzerland. Italy this afternoon became the latest major European state to say it would vote yes.

Free free palestine :D
Who gives a fuck what the UN thinks?


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 29, 2012, 03:01:17 PM
YES!!!

Israel and the united states must be pissed.

Naturally the whole world voted in the favor of Palestine as it's clear as glass who the victim is and who the aggressor is.

Palestine's status has been upgraded to a state. Israhellis must be fuming.

The assembly voted 138-9 in favour, with 41 nations abstaining.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Shockwave on November 29, 2012, 04:01:46 PM
YES!!!

Israel and the united states must be pissed.

Naturally the whole world voted in the favor of Palestine as it's clear as glass who the victim is and who the aggressor is.

Palestine's status has been upgraded to a state. Israhellis must be fuming.

The assembly voted 138-9 in favour, with 41 nations abstaining.
Lol, like it makes a difference what the UN says. Shit isn't going to change.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 29, 2012, 04:04:52 PM
Well you're right Israelis said the same thing, they will still be killers and land thieves regardless. That's okay this bloodlust fantasy will not last forever.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Shockwave on November 29, 2012, 04:54:58 PM
Well you're right Israelis said the same thing, they will still be killers and land thieves regardless. That's okay this bloodlust fantasy will not last forever.
Lol, you're delusional. That shit isn't going to stop anytime soon.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: tbombz on November 29, 2012, 06:54:31 PM
when your religion promotes violence in the name of god(the "prophet" who started your religion engaged in violence himself), your bound to be involved in lots of war.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 30, 2012, 02:20:30 PM
when your religion promotes violence in the name of god(the "prophet" who started your religion engaged in violence himself), your bound to be involved in lots of war.

You know I found your non-sense so amazing.

I've seen you talk about US army 'doing their job' in afghanistan, etc... but then you talk bsabout how people should not fight NO MATTER WHAT, preaching your own self made 'religion' if people are oppressed that they should 'die and love their enemy' and all that horse shit you've spewed.

I've given you an example of US soldiers raping a 14 year old girl and massacring her whole family next door and then killing the girl afte raping her in turns. You kept your mouth shut when I applied your 'beliefs' to 'love your enemy as they kill you'. I've dug out your hypocricy and ulterior motives out.

Our religion does NOT promote violence, our religion promotes peace, but it also endorses self defence and fighting against oppression.

You don't need to be even educated in religion to know that if you are being oppressed that you should stand up for yourself and defend yourself.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Shockwave on November 30, 2012, 02:22:22 PM
I've seen you talk about US army 'doing their job' in afghanistan, etc... but then you talk bsabout how people should not fight NO MATTER WHAT, preaching your own self made 'religion' if people are oppressed that they should 'die and love their enemy' and all that horse shit you've spewed.
The Military's job IS to fight numbnuts.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 30, 2012, 02:23:54 PM
No he advocates that NO ONE should EVER fight, not even defense. He was advocating that the victim should just let themselves be killed and 'love the killer' as they are being killed. However I caught him talking about US forces fighting and 'doing their job'. The truth surfaces out.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Shockwave on November 30, 2012, 02:26:56 PM
No he advocates that NO ONE should EVER fight, not even defense. He was advocating that the victim should just let themselves be killed and 'love the killer' as they are being killed. However I caught him talking about US forces fighting and 'doing their job'. The truth surfaces out.
XXXXXXXX One is a moral standing the other is not.

Morally and spiritually, he believes no one should fight.

The people that joined the Military are doing their job by fighting, as that IS their job.

Herp fuckin' derp bro.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: a_ahmed on November 30, 2012, 02:29:17 PM
Aaah I see, in the fantasy world vs the real world?

Sorry I call bs hardcore on a person with ulterior motives. Muslims should 'love their killers' and not fight back and die. Brilliant. *sarcasm*

Btw, Palestinians are Christian too. Your mozzlem hating douchebaggery is quite amusing.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: Shockwave on November 30, 2012, 02:49:59 PM
Aaah I see, in the fantasy world vs the real world?

Sorry I call bs hardcore on a person with ulterior motives. Muslims should 'love their killers' and not fight back and die. Brilliant. *sarcasm*

Btw, Palestinians are Christian too. Your mozzlem hating douchebaggery is quite amusing.
What in the hell are you talking about?
You were saying he was contradicting his belief that true believers shouldn't fight by saying that the Army was just doing it's job by fighting. He was not in any way shape or form. Now you're arguing off into lala land about something that was never brought up.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: tbombz on November 30, 2012, 05:17:30 PM
thank you for representing my idea correctly shockwave.  :)

ahmed,  there is a difference between spiritual idealism (religion) and physical pragmatism (rational behavior). 

when you start to speak about god and religion, we are speaking about the realm of spiritual idealism.  in that place, where we talk about the after life and eternal justice/salvation as if we are absolutely certain that they exist, then we no longer view "death" as a bad thing. we no longer view the evils and oppression committed by sinners as something to fight against with violence.  we now view death as the entrance into gods kingdom and thus welcome it with open arms. we now view the behavior of sinners as sorrowful and taking into account god's own handling of the situation (obviously laizzes faire) we should imitate gods actions and let them sin and kill and oppress as they wish. and show them love as they do it


when we start to speak about the physical world, we now enter the realm of pragmatism and self preservation and viewing death as the end of life. in this real, we now see self defense and utilitarianism as righteous and necessary.


do not mix up these two ideaologies.


Title: Re: Israel vs. Hamas
Post by: tbombz on December 01, 2012, 02:47:06 PM
if you wish to know the nature of god, look to the sun.  it shines just as brightly on the murderers as it does on the saints.  if you turn your back and close your eyes and ignore and blaspheme the sun for 20 years, when you decide to turn back around and open your eyes there the sun will be still shining as brightly as ever. if you decide to plot against the sun and cover the entire earth from its brightness, it will continue to shine on as if you were loving it with all your heart.


that being said, consider the difficulties found within defining what violence is acceptable when you adopt the philosophy that violence in self defense and against oppression is acceptable.  what exactly constitutes a threat to your self, what exactly constitutes oppression?  i think youll find that once you adopt this philosophy you will easily be able to rationalize that violence for just about any reason concievable is acceptable.