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Title: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: Karl Kox on November 19, 2012, 06:25:21 PM
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Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: Alex23 on November 19, 2012, 06:44:57 PM
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Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: Karl Kox on November 19, 2012, 06:54:24 PM
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Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: tu_holmes on November 19, 2012, 07:09:41 PM
Jim Cornett, Bobby Heenan, Jimmy Hart, JJ Dillon, Sensational Sheri, and Captain Lou Albano.

That's my top 6 in no particular order.


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: Alex23 on November 19, 2012, 07:18:07 PM
Jim Cornett, Bobby Heenan, Jimmy Hart, JJ Dillon, Sensational Sheri, and Captain Lou Albano.

That's my top 6 in no particular order.

Pretty solid line up. I would add Shane McMahon.. not sure why but he always gave his 110% wearing his track pants.

Don't hate I'm a fan of the 90's.


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: tu_holmes on November 19, 2012, 07:18:53 PM
Pretty solid line up. I would add Shane McMahon.. not sure why but he always gave his 110% wearing his track pants.

Don't hate I'm a fan of the 90's.

Shane earned mad respect whenever he wrestled in my mind... He would do ANYTHING to make the audience happy.

I do appreciate that kind of work ethic.


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: Alex23 on November 19, 2012, 07:26:44 PM
Shane earned mad respect whenever he wrestled in my mind... He would do ANYTHING to make the audience happy.

I do appreciate that kind of work ethic.

especially considering where he comes from; yea it's the family business but he could be handling board meetings or make a clean cut no sweat appearance. Instead, decided to eat the dog food and pile up the bruises.

Only in fucking America. Gotta love and appreciate this country before it's too late.


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: tu_holmes on November 19, 2012, 07:28:43 PM
especially considering where he comes from; yea it's the family business but he could be handling board meetings or make a clean cut no sweat appearance. Instead, decided to eat the dog food and pile up the bruises.

Only in fucking America. Gotta love and appreciate this country before it's too late.

Agreed... too many people don't appreciate the gift that has been bestowed upon them.


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: funk51 on November 20, 2012, 08:54:32 AM
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wild red berry, the grand wizer, freddie blassie, lou albano, jimmy hart. ???


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: Montague on November 20, 2012, 09:31:50 AM
Heenan will always be my favorite.
Had storyline credibility, being a wrestler himself.
Was funny and entertaining.
Was an excellent mouthpiece for guys who couldn't talk.
Took better bumps in the match than some of the guys he managed.
Bobby was also the third in command of the WWF at one point, until I think it was George Scott who started a thinly-veiled petition to do away with the position.

Sherri possessed many of the above qualities, and her work with Savage was hilarious. As a bonus, she always looked very edible in those outfits she wore. Larry Zyszko was a lucky guy.

Albano & Blassie are, of course, excellent picks.
Add Fuji to the list. He was great with Muraco, the Moondogs, and Demolition later on.



Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: Montague on November 20, 2012, 09:40:11 AM
Jim Cornette has a great mind for the business and contributed a lot of valuable input during his stints in WWF and TNA. I never cared for his on-air character, though.

As for Shane, I honestly believe he took all those crazy bumps in anticipation of heading the ship one day, and felt it would provide him some "street cred" with his roster. From what Paul Heyman has said, it sounds like little sister is tough to do business with. Add one more player (and three letters) to the equation, and I think maybe Shane O'Mac saw the writing on the wall and bailed for greener pastures.


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: vascsurgeon on November 24, 2012, 12:41:17 PM
Arnold Skolaand (spelling) Bruno's "manager"  ;) lol


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: OLE BIG on November 25, 2012, 08:33:03 AM
Jim Cornette has a great mind for the business and contributed a lot of valuable input during his stints in WWF and TNA. I never cared for his on-air character, though.

As for Shane, I honestly believe he took all those crazy bumps in anticipation of heading the ship one day, and felt it would provide him some "street cred" with his roster. From what Paul Heyman has said, it sounds like little sister is tough to do business with. Add one more player (and three letters) to the equation, and I think maybe Shane O'Mac saw the writing on the wall and bailed for greener pastures.


Really?  I think he was great in the old NWA days at least.  His tennis racket and always talking about "momma." 

Off the top of my head, J.J. Dillion, Paul Ellering, and maybe Paul Jones.  I liked Heenan with Bockwinkle, but hated everything he did in WCW and WWWF.


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: gmflex on November 26, 2012, 09:39:58 PM
Skandar Akbar..

Devastation incorporated...
 ;D

Back in the wccw days.. I thought he was the most evil person in the wrestling
Business ...



Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: polychronopolous on November 26, 2012, 11:55:55 PM
Skandar Akbar..

Devastation incorporated...
 ;D

Back in the wccw days.. I thought he was the most evil person in the wrestling
Business ...




Absolutely! And to top it all off he could throw fireballs too!

Just off the top of my head I would have to go Bobby the brain, Paul Heyman, Percy Pringle and Skandar Akbar for my 4


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: Montague on November 27, 2012, 04:23:21 AM
Absolutely! And to top it all off he could throw fireballs too!

Just off the top of my head I would have to go Bobby the brain, Paul Heyman, Percy Pringle and Skandar Akbar for my 4


Did you like Pringle's "Paul Bearer" gimmick?


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: tu_holmes on November 27, 2012, 10:12:05 AM

Did you like Pringle's "Paul Bearer" gimmick?

I personally HATED it... Oooohhhh yeeeesssss...

Carrying around a damn Urn.

::)


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: polychronopolous on November 27, 2012, 04:18:09 PM

Did you like Pringle's "Paul Bearer" gimmick?

I know alot of fans are completely against gimmicks of any sort. Hell, wasnt it Ole Anderson or one of those guys who had a little power who blacklisted a few of the simpler gimmicks from their business? I could be competely wrong on that by the way, just thought I read it somewhere.

Personally I liked alot of the gimmicks if they were well done and while I think Percy's best work was in the WCCW and prior, I always got a kick out of the Paul Bearer gimmick. Although it was cheesy as hell, William Moody always had that fantastic ability as a physical comedian that he left me in stitches most times I watched Paul Bearer.

Bobby the Brain for his quick wit. Percy/Bearer for the comedy. Heyman for his ability to sell himself as a complete slimeball. And Skandar for the massive amount of heat he drew and part nostalgia in that I can remember being about 5 years old and thinking he was the scariest guy in all of wrestling.


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: tu_holmes on November 27, 2012, 05:31:55 PM
Skandar Akbar..

Devastation incorporated...
 ;D

Back in the wccw days.. I thought he was the most evil person in the wrestling
Business ...


I had almost forgot about him... Damn... He WAS amazing.



Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: Powerlift66 on November 28, 2012, 08:42:29 AM
Captain Lou, Grand Wizard, Gary Hart, Bobby Heenan


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: Obvious Gimmick on November 28, 2012, 04:56:57 PM
classy freddie blasie.


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: Montague on November 28, 2012, 05:22:06 PM
I personally HATED it... Oooohhhh yeeeesssss...

Carrying around a damn Urn.

::)


It was pure cheese, but it was in line with that era of wrestling.

I never cared for the whole Undertaker gimmick. In fact, my little asshole buddies and I were in grade school at the time and used to make fun of it, comparing that horrible purple ring gear to Disney's Darkwing Duck - complete with the hat, cape, gloves and boots.

But, for what was originally such a tacky gimmick, I think that Mark Calloway did with it the most that anyone ever could have.


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: tu_holmes on November 29, 2012, 09:17:34 AM

It was pure cheese, but it was in line with that era of wrestling.

I never cared for the whole Undertaker gimmick. In fact, my little asshole buddies and I were in grade school at the time and used to make fun of it, comparing that horrible purple ring gear to Disney's Darkwing Duck - complete with the hat, cape, gloves and boots.

But, for what was originally such a tacky gimmick, I think that Mark Calloway did with it the most that anyone ever could have.

I've never really liked the Undertaker at all.

8 moves.... Really "phenomenal" ::)

I do agree that if anyone else had been that gimmick it would have died as fast as Isaac Yankem.


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: OLE BIG on November 29, 2012, 09:47:44 AM

It was pure cheese, but it was in line with that era of wrestling.

I never cared for the whole Undertaker gimmick. In fact, my little asshole buddies and I were in grade school at the time and used to make fun of it, comparing that horrible purple ring gear to Disney's Darkwing Duck - complete with the hat, cape, gloves and boots.

But, for what was originally such a tacky gimmick, I think that Mark Calloway did with it the most that anyone ever could have.

Boy, am I with you on that one.  To me, that gimmick epitomized all that was wrong with wrestling in that era.


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: Montague on November 29, 2012, 11:58:55 AM
Boy, am I with you on that one.  To me, that gimmick epitomized all that was wrong with wrestling in that era.


That was most of the WWF roster (which was then imitated by WCW to a large extent)
Duke "The Dumpster,"
Adam Bomb,
Doink and Dink,
Skinner,
Repo Man,
The Survivor Series Turkey...

Granted, some of those guys were good workers, like Matt Borne and Steve Keirn; they just had stupid gimmicks that were no fault of theirs. Undertaker seemed to be the forerunner to a lot of those. On his debut night, the old man really wanted to build him up and gave strict orders to the locker room that Taker was not to leave his feet.
How's that for a push?

Taker is the only Federation gimmick from that era to endure this long. He's gone through many revisions and variations, but he's always been the Undertaker, and everyone behind that character - from Calloway himself, to his opponents, the bookers, Vince, and anyone else involved in any way - deserves much credit to the character's longevity.


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: OLE BIG on November 30, 2012, 09:56:05 AM

That was most of the WWF roster (which was then imitated by WCW to a large extent)
Duke "The Dumpster,"
Adam Bomb,
Doink and Dink,
Skinner,
Repo Man,
The Survivor Series Turkey...

Granted, some of those guys were good workers, like Matt Borne and Steve Keirn; they just had stupid gimmicks that were no fault of theirs. Undertaker seemed to be the forerunner to a lot of those. On his debut night, the old man really wanted to build him up and gave strict orders to the locker room that Taker was not to leave his feet.

Oh for sure.  I don't understand it, but it certainly has stayed around.

And who would have thought Kane would have basically done the same thing?
How's that for a push?

Taker is the only Federation gimmick from that era to endure this long. He's gone through many revisions and variations, but he's always been the Undertaker, and everyone behind that character - from Calloway himself, to his opponents, the bookers, Vince, and anyone else involved in any way - deserves much credit to the character's longevity.



Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: littleguns on December 15, 2012, 04:47:09 AM
I think a Manager should have "range", Ellering was good but only had LOD and Snake for a short time.

Heenan - no brainer, had a stable, Hennig, Bundy, Studd, Flair and the list goes on
Albano - gotta love him, had a number of great wrestlers; Muraco, Samoans then later Bulldogs etc
Gary Hart - loved the obscurity, Muta, Missing link etc
Jimmy Hart - Personally I didn't like him but you do have to love his jackets, megaphone etc.


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: The Showstoppa on December 19, 2012, 12:15:32 PM
I think a Manager should have "range", Ellering was good but only had LOD and Snake for a short time.

Heenan - no brainer, had a stable, Hennig, Bundy, Studd, Flair and the list goes on
Albano - gotta love him, had a number of great wrestlers; Muraco, Samoans then later Bulldogs etc
Gary Hart - loved the obscurity, Muta, Missing link etc
Jimmy Hart - Personally I didn't like him but you do have to love his jackets, megaphone etc.

Throw out Jimmy Hart and you have a solid 3....


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: littleguns on December 23, 2012, 08:44:49 AM
Throw out Jimmy Hart and you have a solid 3....

ok you win. Paul E back in the Dangerous Alliance


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: MCWAY on December 25, 2012, 11:04:07 AM
- Jimmy Hart

- Bobby Heenan

- J.J. Dillon

- Paul Bearer


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: MCWAY on December 25, 2012, 11:09:58 AM

That was most of the WWF roster (which was then imitated by WCW to a large extent)
Duke "The Dumpster,"
Adam Bomb,
Doink and Dink,
Skinner,
Repo Man,
The Survivor Series Turkey...

Granted, some of those guys were good workers, like Matt Borne and Steve Keirn; they just had stupid gimmicks that were no fault of theirs. Undertaker seemed to be the forerunner to a lot of those. On his debut night, the old man really wanted to build him up and gave strict orders to the locker room that Taker was not to leave his feet.
How's that for a push?

Taker is the only Federation gimmick from that era to endure this long. He's gone through many revisions and variations, but he's always been the Undertaker, and everyone behind that character - from Calloway himself, to his opponents, the bookers, Vince, and anyone else involved in any way - deserves much credit to the character's longevity.


Indeed! Part of the Undertaker's longevity was Paul Bearer, which is why I put him on my Rushmore of managers. I believe 'Taker would have gone the way of Adam Bomb or Duke "The Dumpster", had they not replaced Brother Love with Paul Bearer to be the Deadman's manager.

That gave the character its sticking power. Of course, the career-defining moment (in my view) was THIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NrtxpK8w9k



Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: The Showstoppa on December 26, 2012, 07:46:32 AM
ok you win. Paul E back in the Dangerous Alliance

I always thought Hart was pure garbage.  the ONLY reason he was given so much airtime is his relationship with Hogan.  "Yeaaaahhh baaaabbyy"   ::)


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: Man of Steel on January 10, 2013, 11:54:25 AM
Heenan, JHart, Dillon, Cornette


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: Montague on January 10, 2013, 12:37:45 PM
I always thought Hart was pure garbage.  the ONLY reason he was given so much airtime is his relationship with Hogan.  "Yeaaaahhh baaaabbyy"   ::)


What's the back story on this? WWF made their friendship "public knowledge" towards the end of Hogan's stay there in '93. But, how did they hook up?


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: Montague on January 10, 2013, 12:46:13 PM
It's also good to see Sherri's name come up a good bit here. She was sexy and a hard worker, for sure.

Shawn Michaels said he always enjoyed working with her because if anyone took liberties with, or gave him a hard time in the ring, he'd toss them through the ropes and Sherri would lay in with those high heels and stiff the shit out of them on the floor.



Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 16, 2013, 11:36:28 AM
I've never really liked the Undertaker at all.

8 moves.... Really "phenomenal" ::)

I do agree that if anyone else had been that gimmick it would have died as fast as Isaac Yankem.

Thank you!!!  I feel exactly the same way.   I never liked him from day 1 and even now if I have to watch that suicide dive over the top ropes (that he sometimes doesn't even clear) one more time I am going to cry.

The setup for the Walking The Ropes only to jump off with a closed fist to the shoulder?  Pfftt!

And his Hell's Gate submission is beyond stupid.  Last thing you want in a match is to end up on your back with your legs in the air (no homo) with your opponents weight over you and bearing down (no homo x 2).  I never understood why someone just didn't grab his tights and lean forward, he already did all the other work for them by getting into position and off balance.


Title: Re: What would be your Mount Rushmore of wrestling managers?
Post by: The Showstoppa on January 20, 2013, 01:15:51 PM

What's the back story on this? WWF made their friendship "public knowledge" towards the end of Hogan's stay there in '93. But, how did they hook up?


I really don't know, but he was such a Hogan nut hugger and I'm sure stroking Hulks ego was about all it took/takes.