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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: magikusar on November 25, 2012, 09:49:39 PM
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Did Dorian do 1 set only?
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yes
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No, no he did not.
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Usually.
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I quite sure that he may have done more or less than 1 set.
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Just make sure to keep your abs tight at all times and "grow into the show."
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He did only 1 set to failure. After he did 2 to 3 "warm up" sets that inexplicably didn't count.
Like most Heavy Duty bodybuilders this was all after he built the bulk of his musculature using the volume method and vast amounts of anabolic steroids.
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He was never a volume trainer. He did use one set to failure. One work set. Yes, he warmed up to that one set to failure with heavy weights. The warm up wasn't a work set. Do you think anyone would take 415 lbs. in the incline press without warming up?
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He was never a volume trainer. He did use one set to failure. One work set. Yes, he warmed up to that one set to failure with heavy weights. The warm up wasn't a work set. Do you think anyone would take 415 lbs. in the incline press without warming up?
Methinks that the working set and non-working set line is bullshit. Just because you don't take a particular set to failure doesn't mean you didn't do the set.
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dorian like most pros trained very differently at the beginning of his career than he did towards the end...
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no, he did only half sets
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For his last two Olympias all he did was one set of barbell rows to failure every 3 months. Before that he was doing one set per month but he discovered that he was still overtraining.
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For his last two Olympias all he did was one set of barbell rows to failure every 3 months. Before that he was doing one set per month but he discovered that he was still overtraining.
I heard on the inter-web that he just looked at the weights and that was enough to stimulate hypertrophy
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every set you were able to rack the weights without assistance is not failure ::)
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Methinks that the working set and non-working set line is bullshit. Just because you don't take a particular set to failure doesn't mean you didn't do the set.
nah thats not quite right,,, its a different mentality, all joking aside you just breeze through the warm ups then go hell for leather on the last one
until you try it for your self youl never understand, and if you do it propperly you wouldnt feel the need to do another few sets
you also have to have perfect piston like form and the will to force extra reps out
its not the only way to train tho, just another way to skin a cat
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I heard on the inter-web that he just looked at the weights and that was enough to stimulate hypertrophy
That was true for a time, but later I heard him say that the only way to really make the muscles grow was to just think about the weights. He said that actually looking at them could lead to overtraining as well. By the time he mastered this technique he was getting close to retirement though. It's very advanced so regular bodybuilders wouldn't get it.
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i heard a rummer he sneezed whitest deep in thought about performing a set and tore his biceps off the bone
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i heard a rummer he sneezed whitest deep in thought about performing a set and tore his biceps off the bone
That's actually true. I know a guy whose freind's roommate was there when it happened.
Dorian was fucking intense!
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Just make sure to keep your abs tight at all times and "grow into the show."
Dont forget the yams.
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when i saw dorian at the gym i was training at doing chest in 93 he did
warm up-135
warm up-225
then a somewhat working set with-315
then a harder set with -365
then an all out set with -405
he pretty much used that system for all his chest exercises that day
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Sometimes
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for Dorian, his warm up sets didn't count; and for Jay, his warm up sets are feel sets. that's why they're bodybuilding pioneers.
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Did Dorian do 1 set only?
It's not so much about volume more than it is reaching a "threshold". Dorian performed multiple sets to enable a generation of intensity leading up to the final most important one. Once having achieved this desired state with the proper "dose" of exercise, a trainee will know that they have had enough of both volume and intensity- to adequately stimulate muscle growth..
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no he didnt.go watch his training video, he calls shoulder press with 2 and 3 plates warmup ::)
his warmup blows 99percent of the ppls entire training regimes out of the water
he pyramided the weight up while going lower in reps that is all
he actually kept the reps about the same for each set as he added weight... He did not over warmup as such.
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nah thats not quite right,,, its a different mentality, all joking aside you just breeze through the warm ups then go hell for leather on the last one
until you try it for your self youl never understand, and if you do it propperly you wouldnt feel the need to do another few sets
you also have to have perfect piston like form and the will to force extra reps out
its not the only way to train tho, just another way to skin a cat
Good Post
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He only did warm-up sets when he had to (first exercise for each bodypart). Warm-ups are a necessary evil for HIT trainers, especially when you're as strong as Dorian.
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From what I saw from his video, he pyramided his weight and worked up to a failure set. But isnt this what most bodybuilders do? Most bodybuilders do not go to failure every single set. So how is what he did any different than other lifters? ??? ???
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Of course he did warm up sets. So did Mentzer. Jones was the one who didn't suggest doing warmup sets. These guys who could squat 550 lbs for reps didn't go into that cold. Note. If you can squat 600, 315 isn't shit. 405 is heavy but usually far from failure.
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He's full of shit. He did 4-5 "warm up" sets that for most people would be heavy working sets, then one last full set with spotters and negatives etc... but those warm ups were real sets.
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Dorian pyramid shitted his way to the top.
The waste bins outside of Temple Gym reek to tell the tale.
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He's full of shit. He did 4-5 "warm up" sets that for most people would be heavy working sets, then one last full set with spotters and negatives etc... but those warm ups were real sets.
Exactly. All he did was pyramid the weight, which most everyone does!
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I asked Dorian once (on a forum) what %1rm he was using during blast as opposed to layback weeks- his response was that instead of 100% he would go 90. There is no way that he doesn't understand %1rm, yet his answer ignored the parameters of the question and gave an "impressive" answer.
To be fair perhaps giving out such ("detailed"?LOL) info may seem to him like giving away secrets.
Just thought I'd share to illustrate how a guy "known" for being a no-bullshitting truth teller can be less than forth coming.
Oh and then theres the claim that 750 mg test(wk)/500 mg deca(wk)/50 mg D-bol (ed) was his olympia bulking stack....... ::)
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You non believers would understand the Dorian method if it was explained like this. One guy has an incline press max reps for 150lbs at 8 reps. His first warm up is 115 for 6 reps. Second warm up set is 135 for 4 reps. Then he loads his first and only work set for inclines at 150lbs and he pushes to an 8 rep failure.
Lets say Dorian can get 8 reps with 415lbs. His first set is 8 reps with 135lbs. Second 225 for 6. Third for 315 for 4. Then he loads 415 for his one and only failure set with 415LBS for 8 reps. Then his next exercise he might only need one warm up set for that exercise. His third and forth exercise for chest he might not even use a warm up set.
I'm not saying those are the exact weights and reps for Dorian but it illustrates what a warm up is and what one work set to failure is.
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He took triple the recommended dosage of bee pollen post-workout and used strict form.
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I heard on the inter-web that he just looked at the weights and that was enough to stimulate hypertrophy
Later he just started to look at pictures of the weights. But for short periods, so as to not overtrain. Brief intense stares, that's the key
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Dont forget the yams.
Make sure to rinse those fkn yams you savage.
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Later he just started to look at pictures of the weights. But for short periods, so as to not overtrain. Brief intense stares, that's the key
At the end of his career, he just visualized himself lifting the weights. But no more than 1 imaginary set, for no more than 35 seconds. Thats how he made his best gains.
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Mentzer did the same, 2 or 3 "warm-up" sets, then a "working" set to failure
Sure, you can't jump in to a max all-out set to failure with max poundage immediately, but the difference is, in the articles, they'd claim 1 or 2 warm-ups for first bodypart exercise, then the rest of sets for that bodypart would be 1 all-out set.
In reality, people witnessed them doing very traditional 3 or even 4 sets for 2 to 3 exercises per bodypart
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At the end of his career, he just visualized himself lifting the weights. But no more than 1 imaginary set, for no more than 35 seconds. Thats how he made his best gains.
I heard this too
And he apparently forbade people from talking about training around him, so it wouldn't interfere with his recovery
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Rinsed yams (deionized water only, mind you) are one of the keys to a great physique.
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Rinsed yams (deionized water only, mind you) are one of the keys to a great physique.
This guy seems to be on a decent path.
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This guy seems to be on a decent path.
I was going to delete that post as it gives away important secrets but, alas, now it is too late.
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Never, as failure is not in his dictionary!
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Never, as failure is not in his dictionary!
Yes it's important to "do battle" with the weights with maximum intensity and "leave nothing" on the "table".
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i can believe that stack as bulking stack.
he probably upped the dose threefold for competition diet though
is a smart way to keep doses lower during bulking than in a diet.
Agreed Galeniko.
Most guys think the off-season pro boat-loads the gas. But when you're garbaging up on calories and eating freely, you don't want or need tons of shit in you. You just bloat up like a pig and its uncomfortable. Food is pretty anabolic on its own, and when you use a decent amount of gear with a good healthy caloric surplus, you grow fast.
You need the most gear when you cardio/diet to the extremes. That's when you can't afford to count milligrams.
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Here see for yourself.
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its not the only way to train tho, just another way to skin a cat
You took the words right out of my mouth. All of those HIT-style vs. volume debates are such horseshit. For one, there is no simple "HIT or volume," not on an either/or basis. There are so many variations on both that a bunch of people wind up arguing that what one man calls HIT is, in fact, moderate to high volume (and vice-versa).
Second, both are just slightly different means at achieving the same end, albeit the fact that a more volume-oriented approach might work best for Nimrod while low volume, high-intensity shit better suits his pal Bilbo. As Jeff the Great Uncut Everson once said, every bodybuilder has to be his own "scientist" and experiment, experiment, experiment over the course of years.
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Later he just started to look at pictures of the weights. But for short periods, so as to not overtrain. Brief intense stares, that's the key
LOL