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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Roger Bacon on December 04, 2012, 07:43:31 PM
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I only had one good teacher in my Public School career. :-X
The rest were dumber than the students, or just didn't give a fuck.
Show on Frontline about this right now.
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its not an easy answer because many things factor into it:
Parents
home life
culture (music, role models, TV etc.)
the teachers
money put into schools
curriculum
Class size
over sized admin
etc.
Frankly i think Parents and home life have the biggest influence.
I have quite a few good teachers and only a few bad ones. but that quite some time ago. My son, 21, had some good teachers
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Unions and Liberals
Case closed.
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Parents.
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Unions and a classroom that is more concerned with making everyone feel special as opposed to actually teaching them anything useful.
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I'm just wondering if the teachers are lazy, and ignorant in most school districts, or just mine?
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Because students are taught what to think and not how to think.
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Get a teaching degree, take a comparatively low paying job teaching for a few years and then come back an tell everyone what is wrong with education.
Just so you know, teachers nationwide made an average starting salary of approximately $34,537 as of November 2010. The average classroom size for elementary school is approximately 30 students. This includes a percentage of ELL students and students with learning and emotional disabilities who are on an IEP. High school classroom sizes are larger and growing as schools close and teachers are laid off. No child left behind requirements mean that all students regardless of any learning challenges, such as ELL students and those on an IEP count in the schools "report card" meaning that these students are tested the same as all other students and often bring the schools test score results down depending on their percentage as compared to other non-challenged students.
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It is difficulty of curriculum that is tied to funding. The more students fail, the less funding the school obtains. Lots of students are graduating high school on low reading levels and basic mathematical skills and are ultimately ill-prepared to enter college or the military, much less compete with their peers on a global scale. Students in some Third World nations without access to even a quarter to what students in even the poorest US districts get run circles around their US counterparts.
The solutions? Here ya go!
- CHALLENGE the student, irregardless of their income level, race, religion, locality, etc......on a scale that is compatible with what children around the world are learning.
- If a student fails, they fail....have them repeat the grade. If a person is in their mid 20s when they graduate, so be it.
- Funding should be static, not performance-based.
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Unions and Liberals
Case closed.
Disinterested parents who think school is a glorified baby sitter has a lot to do with it too.
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Because students are taught what to think and not how to think.
Good one. I think there's a lot of truth in that.
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ACLU writes the rules and laws for the PS systems....take it from there.
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It is difficulty of curriculum that is tied to funding. The more students fail, the less funding the school obtains. Lots of students are graduating high school on low reading levels and basic mathematical skills and are ultimately ill-prepared to enter college or the military, much less compete with their peers on a global scale. Students in some Third World nations without access to even a quarter to what students in even the poorest US districts get run circles around their US counterparts.
The solutions? Here ya go!
- CHALLENGE the student, irregardless
regardless of their income level, race, religion, locality, etc......on a scale that is compatible with what children around the world are learning.
It is difficult for teachers to challenge every student individually when they have 30 or more students in a class.
- If a student fails, they fail....have them repeat the grade.
It is all about credits in high school. Students can fail a semester or grade if they are in elementary school. In high school, they would have to fail several key classes to repeat the grade or semester.
If a person is in their mid 20s when they graduate, so be it.
Oregon law states that a student can be as old as 19 when their last public school year begins. This would mean that no regular student can be older then 20 years in public High School. I believe there are some variances for special needs students.
- Funding should be static, not performance-based.
Are you speaking about funding per student? Special needs students are more expensive to educate therefore funding is adjusted for them. Provisions within the No Child Left Behind act, allow for schools losing their accreditation, if a percentage of students fall below certain achievement levels. This is measured via testing all students, including special needs students and ELL students.
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ACLU writes the rules and laws for the PS systems....take it from there.
It's not quite like that, coach. You don't see a lot of social engineering in elementary through high school. The curriculum is actually quite bland and fact oriented. Now college is where you see a lot of governmental social engineering. Students are forced to take classes they wouldn't otherwise take in hopes of "broadening" their intellect and experiences. This should not be the domain of the state. The state has no business trying to make someone a better person.
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ACLU writes the rules and laws for the PS systems....take it from there.
Do you have proof of this? I spent 30 years working in education. I am not aware that the ACLU writes the rules and laws for education. I believe the Department of Education is responsible for this. It is possible, however, that the Dept. of Ed is required to comply with certain laws which could affect student and staff civil liberties.
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Take a look at Finland, which has the best schools in the world. They do everything pretty much the exact opposite of how we do it.
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Do you have proof of this? I spent 30 years working in education. I am not aware that the ACLU writes the rules and laws for education. I believe the Department of Education is responsible for this. It is possible, however, that the Dept. of Ed is required to comply with certain laws which could affect student and staff civil liberties.
You gotta remember you are talking to someone who believes OBama was born in Kenya and is a current coke addict. Also, in 2008 he believed that if a Dem was elected president an American City would get nuked by terrorists.
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Do you have proof of this? I spent 30 years working in education. I am not aware that the ACLU writes the rules and laws for education. I believe the Department of Education is responsible for this. It is possible, however, that the Dept. of Ed is required to comply with certain laws which could affect student and staff civil liberties.
I'm an S&C coach at two public schools in two different districts in separate counties. The paperwork I had to fill out, Lives scans (which I 100% agree with and also use for our trainers) physical, etc are all a request and written by the ACLU, I had asked one of the teachers about this (a tenured teacher) and I was told the ACLU basically controls PS systems at least here in Cali.
This is what we have to go through. If a kid wants to play football (roughly $1400) for the season and his parents cannot afford it, it's up to other parents on the team (Boosters) to pick up the tab for that kid. In a lot cases, when a teacher turns in a requisition (in this case I needed a room for 30min a week) it usually takes about two weeks for approval. This particular room was not being used. red tape red tape red tape. They make almost everything a hassle.
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Do you have proof of this? I spent 30 years working in education. I am not aware that the ACLU writes the rules and laws for education. I believe the Department of Education is responsible for this. It is possible, however, that the Dept. of Ed is required to comply with certain laws which could affect student and staff civil liberties.
you were a janitor at a school, not to give you shit b/c i dont judge a person on their worth by their job but to say you worked in education b/c you were a janitor at a school is stretching the truth.
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you were a janitor at a school, not to give you shit b/c i dont judge a person on their worth by their job but to say you worked in education b/c you were a janitor at a school is stretching the truth.
Wait, what? I thought he was a teacher?
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I also need to add that my wife is a credentialed teacher. Although she doesn't teach (we have tutoring for our athletes who need it. We provide that for free) She was also told when she was student teaching about the ACLU being part of PS system.
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Its summed up nicely liek this: If everyone gets the same, why get outa bed in morning?
socialism fails because no reason to produce
none
crony capitalism is simply socialism
real capitalism si bring something good and dont force anyone to trade, then only get money if the good you bring to trade is good value
repeat
people dont get how far ahead we could be of current sad state of affairs fi we let this be the rule
ask yourself why are other parts fo world so poor?
because you take from the producer
you never allow capital buildup that leads to higher wages
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I'm an S&C coach at two public schools in two different districts in separate counties. The paperwork I had to fill out, Lives scans (which I 100% agree with and also use for our trainers) physical, etc are all a request and written by the ACLU, I had asked one of the teachers about this (a tenured teacher) and I was told the ACLU basically controls PS systems at least here in Cali.
This is what we have to go through. If a kid wants to play football (roughly $1400) for the season and his parents cannot afford it, it's up to other parents on the team (Boosters) to pick up the tab for that kid. In a lot cases, when a teacher turns in a requisition (in this case I needed a room for 30min a week) it usually takes about two weeks for approval. This particular room was not being used. red tape red tape red tape. They make almost everything a hassle.
Well I must admit that I am not familiar with how these things work with team sports so much as with other aspects of education. But as for paperwork, there is a lot of it regardless of where you are in any government job.
My former position was actually in buildings and maintenance for a large school district, you'd be surprised at the the "red tape" involved in these areas too. I came to believe that asbestos abatement was something of a racket with huge proceeds going to companies who do this work. If there was one tiny piece of asbestos anywhere in a building, no matter how well contained, it required annual inspections by outside personal. Every year all maintenance staff was require to attend asbestos classes taught by OSHA personnel. I also purchased a lot of cleaning products. You might find this hard to believe, but these products had to be so safe that one could literally drink them and not get sick....and yet they needed to clean things too. Don't even get me started on quaternary disinfectants.
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of course
socialism is all about grabbing un earned cash
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I also need to add that my wife is a credentialed teacher. Although she doesn't teach (we have tutoring for our athletes who need it. We provide that for free) She was also told when she was student teaching about the ACLU being part of PS system.
I think you misunderstood me. I was not saying that the ACLU doesn't influence the law, including laws written by the Department of Education. I just don't agree that "the ACLU writes the rules and laws for the PS systems," as you suggested. You tell me I am splitting hairs here, but I think there is a distinct difference.
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you were a janitor at a school, not to give you shit b/c i dont judge a person on their worth by their job but to say you worked in education b/c you were a janitor at a school is stretching the truth.
I don't know about the school system with which you are familiar, but in the district were I worked everyone there "worked in education." We all had to abide by the same morals clause and were expected to model behavior to students. To say I was (just) a janitor would be stretching the truth in a different direction. I was responsible for over 85 employees and millions of dollars in products and equipment. I was the onsite project manager for several multi-million dollar remodels at various buildings in the district. In addition, I was our Union President, a position where I represented the interests of over 1,000 classified employees who held a variety of educational positions in negotiations with their supervisors, HR and at the bargaining table. Indirectly, you are judging me without really knowing me or what my work entailed. Incidentally, there was and is no job classification titled "janitor" in the district.
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What Is the U.S. Department of Education?
The U.S. Department of Education is the agency of the federal government that establishes policy for, administers and coordinates most federal assistance to education. It assists the president in executing his education policies for the nation and in implementing laws enacted by Congress. The Department's mission is to serve America's students-to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by fostering educational excellence and ensuring equal access.
When Congress created the Department in 1979, it declared these purposes:
1. to strengthen the Federal commitment to ensuring access to equal educational opportunity for every individual;
2. to supplement and complement the efforts of States, the local school systems and other instrumentalities of the States, the private sector, public and private educational institutions, public and private nonprofit educational research institutions, community-based organizations, parents, and students to improve the quality of education;
3. to encourage the increased involvement of the public, parents, and students in Federal education programs;
4. to promote improvements in the quality and usefulness of education through federally supported research, evaluation, and sharing of information;
5. to improve the coordination of Federal education programs;
6. to improve the management and efficiency of Federal education activities, especially with respect to the process, procedures, and administrative structures for the dispersal of Federal funds, as well as the reduction of unnecessary and duplicative burdens and constraints, including unnecessary paperwork, on the recipients of Federal funds; and
7. to increase the accountability of Federal education programs to the President, the Congress and the public. (Section 102, Public Law 96-88)
For more: http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/focus/what_pg2.html#whatis
The ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) is not a government agency and has no power to enact laws.
https://www.aclu.org/secure/sem-get-updates-fight-freedom?ms=gad_SEM_Google_Search-Evergreen-ACLU%20Brand_ACLU%20General%20Terms_american%20civil%20liberties%20union%20aclu_b_14322395782
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No need for F'ed DOE.
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For more: http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/focus/what_pg2.html#whatis
The ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) is not a government agency and has no power to enact laws.
https://www.aclu.org/secure/sem-get-updates-fight-freedom?ms=gad_SEM_Google_Search-Evergreen-ACLU%20Brand_ACLU%20General%20Terms_american%20civil%20liberties%20union%20aclu_b_14322395782
They wrote the rules.
Here's another reason why the PS system is screwed. They lie and indoctrinate our kids...
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/05/california-teachers-union-video-shows-rich-man-urinating-on-poor-to-make-case/%20?test=latestnews
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Get a teaching degree, take a comparatively low paying job teaching for a few years and then come back an tell everyone what is wrong with education.
I have a teaching degree and I taught about 7 years :)
Honestly, schools are nothing more than a reflection of society.
People aren't reading newspapers, they're skimming facebook walls.
People aren't spending time in libraries, they're googling quick answers to questions.
People can't count, they use their calculators or apps.
People communicate in fragments/blurbs on cell phones. They don't read books, they don't ponder philosophy. They absorb 100x the info every day what people did 50 years ago, and they register less of it as a result.
People don't give a crap, and when they have kids, they don't give a crap. And when those kids grow up to be teachers, some of them don't give a crap.
Schools aren't failing - society is failing. It's that simple. School, police departments, private sectors, lemonade stands, grocery stores... customer service and quality is down on everything you see.
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They wrote the rules.
If by they, you mean the ACLU, you are wrong. The ACLU may lobby for changes in the law, but they have no power to actually enact them. What they are is a watchdog of the law and of people's civil liberties. Is the ACLU a powerful organization? Absolutely! Regardless of how powerful and influential they are, they must abide by the laws just like the rest of us.
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They wrote the rules.
Here's another reason why the PS system is screwed. They lie and indoctrinate our kids...
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/05/california-teachers-union-video-shows-rich-man-urinating-on-poor-to-make-case/%20?test=latestnews
Right on Coach.
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Right on Coach.
Please check your PM's brother
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They wrote the rules.
Here's another reason why the PS system is screwed. They lie and indoctrinate our kids...
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/05/california-teachers-union-video-shows-rich-man-urinating-on-poor-to-make-case/%20?test=latestnews
The video is in poor taste and does not reflect well on the California teachers union, which supposedly endorsed it. Politics is often an ugly business and political pundits frequently cross the line, which is unfortunate.
There is nothing in this video that is designed to "indoctrinate our kids," rather, it appears to be geared towards politicians who are usually adults, although that is hard to tell with them sometimes.
Poor behavior by any adult whether they be a certified teacher or not is not in the best interest of children. Children learn from adults. I hate to think some are learning how to behave from Getbig.
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If by they, you mean the ACLU, you are wrong. The ACLU may lobby for changes in the law, but they have no power to actually enact them. What they are is a watchdog of the law and of people's civil liberties. Is the ACLU a powerful organization? Absolutely! Regardless of how powerful and influential they are, they must abide by the laws just like the rest of us.
I just pulled some of my paperwork from last year from a school I coach at in the Charter Oak school district. At the bottom of two pieces, it clearly states "Prepared by the American Civil Liberties Union of California (ACLU). Even my son's coach (A Christian conservative) complains about them and the red tape. Sorry dude, don't know what to tell ya!
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The video is in poor taste and does not reflect well on the California teachers union, which supposedly endorsed it. Politics is often an ugly business and political pundits frequently cross the line, which is unfortunate.
There is nothing in this video that is designed to "indoctrinate our kids," rather, it appears to be geared towards politicians who are usually adults, although that is hard to tell with them sometimes.
Poor behavior by any adult whether they be a certified teacher or not is not in the best interest of children. Children learn from adults. I hate to think some are learning how to behave from Getbig.
Telling impressionable kids that rich people are evil is blatant indoctrination anyway you define it. You have kids who's parents are rich now thinking 'daddy is bad" because he is rich. You have kids that will grow up thinking it's wrong to be wealthy, how wrong is that? Seriously, what the hell is the matter with you people? Settling for the status quo might be your thing but to kill a kids dreams who might be surrounded by people who know what it's like to earn what ever their heart desires is flat out WRONG. Did anyone bother to ask Ed Asner how much he has made? He's filthy rich. Gimme a freaking break!
This kind of indoctrination does nothing but promote a lazy society.
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can you guys really look around at any grocery store and tell us you're getting the same level of service as you did 20 years ago?
(on average - not talking exceptions, we're talking about overall quality of service that you see places)
any gas station?
any movie theater?
any police man?
Think about any place you visit on a daily basis - the quality of employee and serivce you got 20 years ago, versus today.
private or public, it doesn't matter. Schools are just like everyone else. The guy at the gas station used to pump your gas and ask you if you needed anything. Today, you pump your own and the 1 dude working is texting his mistress while you wait in line for him to get to the counter.
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can you guys really look around at any grocery store and tell us you're getting the same level of service as you did 20 years ago?
(on average - not talking exceptions, we're talking about overall quality of service that you see places)
any gas station?
any movie theater?
any police man?
Think about any place you visit on a daily basis - the quality of employee and serivce you got 20 years ago, versus today.
private or public, it doesn't matter. Schools are just like everyone else. The guy at the gas station used to pump your gas and ask you if you needed anything. Today, you pump your own and the 1 dude working is texting his mistress while you wait in line for him to get to the counter.
Teachers and Civil service HAVE to be held at a higher standard. You cannot lump them in with a gas station or movie theater. Being a teacher or civil servant, you should know what you're in for before even considering it. If you consider being a teacher in the PS system, you know approximately what your salary is going to be and you SHOULD realize that you're not doing it for the money but to actually help kids. If you can't realize that, then you're in the wrong business.
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Teachers and Civil service HAVE to be held at a higher standard. You cannot lump them in with a gas station or movie theater. Being a teacher or civil servant, you should know what you're in for before even considering it. If you consider being a teacher in the PS system, you know approximately what your salary is going to be and you SHOULD realize that you're not doing it for the money but to actually help kids. If you can't realize that, then you're in the wrong business.
they're made up of the same people that work in every other industry.
I believe that people - in general, as a whole, on average - have stopped caring, have stopped paying attention, have stopped reading books, have stopped caring about customer service. Things like smartphones and all the meds they're on...
I'm 36. I spent a lot of years in college, i spent 7 years teaching, and i have teachers in my family... i'm very honest about what I saw, experienced, etc. I was VERY VERY frustrated as a teacher, with the casual-ass nature of MOST of the other teachers. showing up late, talking during training, just basically not caring.
I believe nothing will change as long as the PEOPLE being pumped into the college system are lazy, low attention span, low-info, immature, etc.
And the only way to change those people is to change standards - move it up to REQUIRING masters to teach. But you have to bump up their salary then, as well. We can barely pay for the teachers we have now. Add 30% to every salary for the masters, ouch.
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best thing is let teachers sell thier services to the public
:)
any socialist stuff like now is jsut going to be messy crapfest
no reason to do well at all
no reason to perform
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they're made up of the same people that work in every other industry.
I believe that people - in general, as a whole, on average - have stopped caring, have stopped paying attention, have stopped reading books, have stopped caring about customer service. Things like smartphones and all the meds they're on...
I'm 36. I spent a lot of years in college, i spent 7 years teaching, and i have teachers in my family... i'm very honest about what I saw, experienced, etc. I was VERY VERY frustrated as a teacher, with the casual-ass nature of MOST of the other teachers. showing up late, talking during training, just basically not caring.
I believe nothing will change as long as the PEOPLE being pumped into the college system are lazy, low attention span, low-info, immature, etc.
And the only way to change those people is to change standards - move it up to REQUIRING masters to teach. But you have to bump up their salary then, as well. We can barely pay for the teachers we have now. Add 30% to every salary for the masters, ouch.
Funny you say that some teachers have quit caring. In some cases it's true and sad. I have a friend who teaches in the Santa Ana school district here in cali and the in that particular school, the graduation rate is below 60%. I went there to help the FB coaches with their strength program, went to see the training facility and to say the least, it was abysmal, no upholstery on the benches, just the wood, a few benches, a rickety squat rack and some DB's. I asked why this gym was like this and if the district was lacking funds. He said (his words) "the district has plenty of money to help but they literally don't care because of the graduation rate". in other words, they have given up on those kids. Since it's primarily hispanic, they don't really have a boosters club because of the lack of disposable income. Sad.
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Funny you say that some teachers have quit caring. In some cases it's true and sad. I have a friend who teaches in the Santa Ana school district here in cali and the in that particular school, the graduation rate is below 60%. I went there to help the FB coaches with their strength program, went to see the training facility and to say the least, it was abysmal, no upholstery on the benches, just the wood, a few benches, a rickety squat rack and some DB's. I asked why this gym was like this and if the district was lacking funds. He said (his words) "the district has plenty of money to help but they literally don't care because of the graduation rate". in other words, they have given up on those kids. Since it's primarily hispanic, they don't really have a boosters club because of the lack of disposable income. Sad.
They CAN get better teachers. They CAN have better standards. But they have to pay MORE money in order to get higher quality candidates.
I have an MBA, I have 7 years teaching experience, I have some real world experience - I was an excellent teacher back in 2004/2005 when I left, and I'd be a stellar teacher today. But would I want to work 45 to 50 hours a week for $35,000? Get up at 6 am, deal with all that stress, being away from home 10 hours a day, driving to work, wearing a tie, and dealing with all that stress? I work in my undies, I'm on getbig at 12;52 am :) I plan on sleeping in tomorrow. Work a while, then have fun.
Now, if a guy like me, MBA and lots of experience, was offered $127k a year to teach... you bet I'd do it! And I'd do a stellar job. Wear a tie, work 55 hours, and my students would be VERY prepared for real life. It'd take a LOT of work for a high quality candidate like me - worth it at 127k, but not worth it at 35,000.
If they want to change the system, then teachers need to be paid a lot more to get better candidates. Won't happen.
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I just pulled some of my paperwork from last year from a school I coach at in the Charter Oak school district. At the bottom of two pieces, it clearly states "Prepared by the American Civil Liberties Union of California (ACLU). Even my son's coach (A Christian conservative) complains about them and the red tape. Sorry dude, don't know what to tell ya!
Was your "paperwork" law? The fact that you have paperwork which may have been published by the ACLU changes nothing I said. The ACLU cannot pass laws, they are not a government agency and they are not Congress. The ACLU can however print literature reminding folks of the laws as the pertain to civil liberties.
The laws enacted by Congress which enforce civil liberties may indeed result in "red tape" for everyone having to comply with said laws. However since the ACLU does not either create or enact those laws, your criticism is clearly misdirected.
If the ACLU feels someones civil liberties according the the law are violated, they can and do take it to court for resolution. A person or an organization can be sued by the ACLU. You can also sue the ACLU if you believe they have violated the law.
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They CAN get better teachers. They CAN have better standards. But they have to pay MORE money in order to get higher quality candidates.
I have an MBA, I have 7 years teaching experience, I have some real world experience - I was an excellent teacher back in 2004/2005 when I left, and I'd be a stellar teacher today. But would I want to work 45 to 50 hours a week for $35,000? Get up at 6 am, deal with all that stress, being away from home 10 hours a day, driving to work, wearing a tie, and dealing with all that stress? I work in my undies, I'm on getbig at 12;52 am :) I plan on sleeping in tomorrow. Work a while, then have fun.
Now, if a guy like me, MBA and lots of experience, was offered $127k a year to teach... you bet I'd do it! And I'd do a stellar job. Wear a tie, work 55 hours, and my students would be VERY prepared for real life. It'd take a LOT of work for a high quality candidate like me - worth it at 127k, but not worth it at 35,000.
If they want to change the system, then teachers need to be paid a lot more to get better candidates. Won't happen.
I wish you had been my fucking teacher, in every grade. Like Mr. Feeny
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Telling impressionable kids that rich people are evil is blatant indoctrination anyway you define it. You have kids who's parents are rich now thinking 'daddy is bad" because he is rich. You have kids that will grow up thinking it's wrong to be wealthy, how wrong is that? Seriously, what the hell is the matter with you people? Settling for the status quo might be your thing but to kill a kids dreams who might be surrounded by people who know what it's like to earn what ever their heart desires is flat out WRONG. Did anyone bother to ask Ed Asner how much he has made? He's filthy rich. Gimme a freaking break!
This kind of indoctrination does nothing but promote a lazy society.
Nothing in the FOX news article you linked proves this video was directed or was shown to kids. As is usual with the media they are relying on the power of suggestion and the fact most people don't bother forming their own opinions based solely on the facts. This not to say if it aired on network television, youngsters would not see it, because they very well could.
I am surprised that you work in a school setting and you don't know that in most school districts a teacher or in your case a coach taking a political stance by showing kids a video such as this, could be grounds for dismissal.
Just so I have a better picture of what you do, what sport or sports do you coach? Are you contracted to coach for the season by the district or are you an actual employee? What are your credentials. In other words, are you a certified staff or "ad hoc" staff?
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I wish you had been my fucking teacher, in every grade. Like Mr. Feeny
remember shows like 'saved by the bell'? They had the same school staff from 5th grade until college.
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remember shows like 'saved by the bell'? They had the same school staff from 5th grade until college.
haha yeah, TV use to be awesome
I always pictured Middle School and High School to be like Saved By The Bell. It was a complete let down lol
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haha yeah, TV use to be awesome
I always pictured Middle School and High School to be like Saved By The Bell. It was a complete let down lol
yep, every girl would be tiff amber thiessen or jesse from showgirls. it wasn't at all like that.
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can you guys really look around at any grocery store and tell us you're getting the same level of service as you did 20 years ago?
(on average - not talking exceptions, we're talking about overall quality of service that you see places)
any gas station?
any movie theater?
any police man?
Think about any place you visit on a daily basis - the quality of employee and serivce you got 20 years ago, versus today.
private or public, it doesn't matter. Schools are just like everyone else. The guy at the gas station used to pump your gas and ask you if you needed anything. Today, you pump your own and the 1 dude working is texting his mistress while you wait in line for him to get to the counter.
Believe it or not, competition for business between service stations in my neighborhood is pretty high (so are the gas prices, unfortunately). I live in Oregon, so it goes without saying that I don't pump my own gas. Often if the station isn't full with customers, the attendant will offer to wash my window.
When I was a kid, I briefly worked at a Standard Oil gas station. We were trained to always check the air pressure, water, oil and clean the windows, but then we were also expected to sell oil to the customers and put it in. These days, folks are expected to check their own oil, buy it off the shelf and put it in the car. Cars also don't burn oil like they used to.
Customer service has changed a lot. It is not all the employees fault when it is under par. Some employers deal in volume and could care less about customer service, thus instructing their employees to process the customer as expediently as possible.
Have you noticed that Sears has no clerks aside from those who work in big ticket departments. If you want to pay for merchandize, you line up at one of a couple of check out stations, often manned by one cashier who barely speaks or understands English.
In contrast, I was shopping with a friend who was looking for a specific clothing item at J.C. Penny's and asked for assistance from a clerk who proceeded to almost run through the store pulling sweaters and tops of the racks. Within a few minutes, she came back to us with about a half dozen items she thought might work. Needless to say, I was impressed. Unfortunately, nothing was right for my friend so she ended up buying what she needed at Macy's.
Customer service is sometimes reciprocal. When my wife and I eat out, which is often, we don't hesitate to let servers know when we think they are doing a great job and not just by tipping them accordingly. Even in semi fast food restaurants like Shari's the staff treats us like we the king and queen or at least their good friends. Anna who works at Shari's sometimes sits down with us an chats while we decide what to order. At another restaurant, when our favorite server was leaving her job because she was moving, on her last day we took her a plant for her new home. Sadly, none of the other servers have lived up to the high standards she set.
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haha yeah, TV use to be awesome
I always pictured Middle School and High School to be like Saved By The Bell. It was a complete let down lol
At least you remember what your middle school experience was like. It has been so long since I was in middle school, I barely remember it. I have a couple of grade school and high school memories....some good and some less so.
I only remember three of my teachers. When I was in the 3rd grade, I lived in Michigan with cousins who had a farm. At the edge of their farm was a one room brick school house staffed by one teacher for about twenty of us kids who ranged in age and grade level. She was like our daytime mom who did everything from teaching us our lessons to making sure we ate our lunch and bandaging our skinned knees after recess which she'd also monitor. In high school, I very much enjoyed my drama teacher Robert Ely and my art teacher who submitted some of my art work to Art Center in Los Angeles, CA, which resulted in my getting a special summer scholarship there.
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They CAN get better teachers. They CAN have better standards. But they have to pay MORE money in order to get higher quality candidates.
I have an MBA, I have 7 years teaching experience, I have some real world experience - I was an excellent teacher back in 2004/2005 when I left, and I'd be a stellar teacher today. But would I want to work 45 to 50 hours a week for $35,000? Get up at 6 am, deal with all that stress, being away from home 10 hours a day, driving to work, wearing a tie, and dealing with all that stress? I work in my undies, I'm on getbig at 12;52 am :) I plan on sleeping in tomorrow. Work a while, then have fun.
Now, if a guy like me, MBA and lots of experience, was offered $127k a year to teach... you bet I'd do it! And I'd do a stellar job. Wear a tie, work 55 hours, and my students would be VERY prepared for real life. It'd take a LOT of work for a high quality candidate like me - worth it at 127k, but not worth it at 35,000.
If they want to change the system, then teachers need to be paid a lot more to get better candidates. Won't happen.
I think the pay is way too high.
esp when factor in health benefits
problem is people think they are entitled to money and promotions without producing anything
education system has 20x the money it needs but its all sucked up with green inflated building prices and phd in education losers who think they deserve 300k salary
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At least you remember what your middle school experience was like. It has been so long since I was in middle school, I barely remember it. I have a couple of grade school and high school memories....some good and some less so.
I only remember three of my teachers. When I was in the 3rd grade, I lived in Michigan with cousins who had a farm. At the edge of their farm was a one room brick school house staffed by one teacher for about twenty of us kids who ranged in age and grade level. She was like our daytime mom who did everything from teaching us our lessons to making sure we ate our lunch and bandaging our skinned knees after recess which she'd also monitor. In high school, I very much enjoyed my drama teacher Robert Ely and my art teacher who submitted some of my art work to Art Center in Los Angeles, CA, which resulted in my getting a special summer scholarship there.
That's cool, my 6th grade teacher was one of the smartest most amazing people I've ever known.
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forget charter schools which are controlled too much by government
try this:
take budget for a 1500 child school
give it to a corp without restriction
say you have to graduate 1500 kids with good grades and help them get job or college entrance
go!
then make reality show of results
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Telling impressionable kids that rich people are evil is blatant indoctrination anyway you define it. You have kids who's parents are rich now thinking 'daddy is bad" because he is rich. You have kids that will grow up thinking it's wrong to be wealthy, how wrong is that? Seriously, what the hell is the matter with you people? Settling for the status quo might be your thing but to kill a kids dreams who might be surrounded by people who know what it's like to earn what ever their heart desires is flat out WRONG. Did anyone bother to ask Ed Asner how much he has made? He's filthy rich. Gimme a freaking break!
This kind of indoctrination does nothing but promote a lazy society.
Well if they fell so bad about being rich why not give their money away?
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Well if they fell so bad about being rich why not give their money away?
Did you read what I wrote? I said they're trying to make the kids feel bad by demonizing their parents. I guarantee that wealthy give away plenty of money. They just don't want it stolen from them...like the government is trying to do. You come off as someone who has no ambition to get ahead financially but rather depend on others to "bail" you out if you get in trouble. You don't get it. The "rich" owe you nothing beyond paying whats legally owed.
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Did you read what I wrote? I said they're trying to make the kids feel bad by demonizing their parents. I guarantee that wealthy give away plenty of money. They just don't want it stolen from them...like the government is trying to do. You come off as someone who has no ambition to get ahead financially but rather depend on others to "bail" you out if you get in trouble. You don't get it. The "rich" owe you nothing beyond paying whats legally owed.
Well if the kids feel bad about the demonizing of their parents they can always comfort themselves with the fact they got dinner that day, some people doesnt.
Your whining on behalf of rich people is sickening.
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Well if the kids feel bad about the demonizing of their parents they can always comfort themselves with the fact they got dinner that day, some people doesnt.
Your whining on behalf of rich people is sickening.
And you making excuses for poor people who DO NOT want to fend for themselves and complain about it repulses me.
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I think the pay is way too high.
esp when factor in health benefits
problem is people think they are entitled to money and promotions without producing anything
education system has 20x the money it needs but its all sucked up with green inflated building prices and phd in education losers who think they deserve 300k salary
in any society, a field will enjoy a quality of employees that matches the pay.
If CEO paid $10k a year, nobody would do it.
Since CEO pays millions a year, you get the smartest, shrewdest, boldest people in society rising to that job.
If McDonalds paid $100k per year, competition would be very high for the job.
The strongest, fastest, smartest, best looking people would apply for the job.
if they cut teacher pay, then quality of teachers will get WORSE.
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And you making excuses for poor people who DO NOT want to fend for themselves and complain about it repulses me.
Where do you see an excuse towards poor people?
Is it your argument that all people who are not rich is that way by choice?
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Performance based pay for teachers
Get rid of teaching for testing
Get rid of no child left behind
Get rid of the Dept of Education
Voucher programs in every state
Get rid of teachers unions
Done.
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in any society, a field will enjoy a quality of employees that matches the pay.
If CEO paid $10k a year, nobody would do it.
Since CEO pays millions a year, you get the smartest, shrewdest, boldest people in society rising to that job.
If McDonalds paid $100k per year, competition would be very high for the job.
The strongest, fastest, smartest, best looking people would apply for the job.
if they cut teacher pay, then quality of teachers will get WORSE.
Thread closed.
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And you making excuses for poor people who DO NOT want to fend for themselves and complain about it repulses me.
It is interesting to ponder the dynamic here. You being a coach, unless you won the lottery, have another job with a high income, come from a wealthy family or your wife makes a lot of money, I suspect you aren't in the top 1%....probably far from it. I have noticed that there seem to be a goodly number of middle and low income folks who seem to want to champion the case for the super wealthy some of whom are hanging on to their money like King Midas. I find this fascinating.
When I was canvassing for political candidates I supported in the election last month, I found it interesting that many of the Republican houses appeared to be at the low end of the financial spectrum for the neighborhood I was in. Some of these homes were littered with broken cars and various other castoffs in the front of the property, with a Romney sign sticking out of the mess or a Romney banner across the front of their house. I don't get it. It seems like a case of the pot calling the kettle black....people who seem to be at poverty's doorstep, complaining about other disadvantaged folks while embracing the propaganda of the rich.
I like to believe I am a "middle of the road" kinda of guy. I usually make every attempt to look at things from various perspectives. This makes sense to me because I am neither wealthy nor poor. I have never received public assistance, although I was broke once when I was 18 years old and had to ask my aunt to help me out (does this count?). When I worked, I made decent money and as a retired person I can pay my bills, what few I have, and still enjoy a few comforts or luxuries, but I am not going to purchase a Jag or take a cruise around the world anytime soon. I have friends and family who are very well off (my aunt was) and I have a sister who is barely scraping by and whose rent I paid this month because she couldn't. I doubt I am unique with regards to personally knowing people from all walks of life, both rich and poor.
There are and probably always have been folk who would rather scam the system or even stand on a freeway on ramp looking pathetic while panhandling for a living. There have always been people who spend much of their lives living in luxury either as a result of their own efforts or those of their forefathers. And there will always be folks that go from wealthy to poor and vice versa. So what I don't really get is how some folks seem to wear blinders when it comes to the rest of the world. They seem to make any attempt to put themselves in others shoes, as it were. Rather they spend a lot of time criticizing others and finding ways to prove their foregone conclusions right. To me that is like sinking in quicksand.
So as to not go completely off topic here, I also find it interesting that some folks who seem to be neither parents of students nor educators are so critical of education and apparently, willing to throw the baby out with the bath water, as it were. Anyone who has worked in a school around students and either as a teacher or in support roles knows there are problems with the system. They also should know that all those problems are not the caused by the public education system or our government. As has been pointed out here, some of the challenges education faces are a direct result of societal changes, such as absentee parents and the tendency for many people and children today to not take responsibility for their own actions. Additionally, there are problems with education which are a direct result of underfunding. I don't agree that the educational system is broken, but I can accept that it is changing and not always for the better. Just remember, for every negative horror story there are many positive tales to tell about successful students and educators.
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You are right on the money with the "crusader for the rich" part.
Why do they do this? Its not logical.
Brainwash?
Or something deeper maybe childhood trauma causing a bizarre Stockholm syndrome effect?
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What you guys miss is that many americans make it on achievement and ability.
Being better than the competition.
out working and out prodcing them
not because of a rich dad
there are zillions of individuals, me included, who simply kick ass and are awesome and enjoy what they do and produce
this is of course despite all the socialist blockage
men of ability exist
most men can do it, but most are too lazy or looking to blame of for exuses
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What you guys miss is that many americans make it on achievement and ability.
Being better than the competition.
out working and out prodcing them
not because of a rich dad
there are zillions of individuals, me included, who simply kick ass and are awesome and enjoy what they do and produce
this is of course despite all the socialist blockage
men of ability exist
most men can do it, but most are too lazy or looking to blame of for exuses
If you are referring to my post, I missed nothing. In fact, I covered all the bases. Maybe you should read it again.
Me too; I kick ass, am awesome and I enjoy what I am doing. The difference is I don't usually see a need to brag about it to a bunch of folks who can't prove or disprove my good fortune. In your case, I am willing to make an exception. :D
Yes that is right, good fortune because a lot of people are awesome and kick ass and yet still struggle financially. Luck is involved in success too.
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???
I only had one good teacher in my Public School career. :-X
The rest were dumber than the students, or just didn't give a fuck.
Show on Frontline about this right now.
Public Schools are failing because the powers that be want them to fail.
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Because students are taught what to think and not how to think.
BINGO!!!
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Public Schools are failing because the powers that be want them to fail.
The powers that be? Who would that be and why would they want schools to fail?
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I think the pay is way too high.
esp when factor in health benefits
problem is people think they are entitled to money and promotions without producing anything
education system has 20x the money it needs but its all sucked up with green inflated building prices and phd in education losers who think they deserve 300k salary
Brilliant! (not really). Many people agree that given the education required to be a teacher and the resulting pay scale, most graduates would be better off using their education towards a position in some other profession and many do. Even in the current financial climate, there is a shortage of qualified teachers. If teachers are so overcompensated, why is it increasingly hard to hire good teachers?
The starting salary for a teacher is about $33,000 a year. Add benefits and the total cost of a teacher to a school district is probably around $44,000. This is hardly big money.
In Oregon school districts have to pass bonds to build schools. In the event you don't know how a bond works, I will explain. A bond is put on the ballot and all the people who live in that district and who are registered to vote, either vote for or against it. If it passes, the bond increases property taxes for the duration of the bond. Bonds are presented with a specific dollar amount and a time frame. Schools are not built or remodeled using money out of operating expenses which come from a combination of property tax and state funding.
Personally, I think you enjoy making outrageous statements to get attention. Unfortunately for you, they usually only serve to example your ignorance on a variety of topics.
Note: The above is not a criticism so much as just me just stating the obvious about you.
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It is interesting to ponder the dynamic here. You being a coach, unless you won the lottery, have another job with a high income, come from a wealthy family or your wife makes a lot of money, I suspect you aren't in the top 1%....probably far from it. I have noticed that there seem to be a goodly number of middle and low income folks who seem to want to champion the case for the super wealthy some of whom are hanging on to their money like King Midas. I find this fascinating.
When I was canvassing for political candidates I supported in the election last month, I found it interesting that many of the Republican houses appeared to be at the low end of the financial spectrum for the neighborhood I was in. Some of these homes were littered with broken cars and various other castoffs in the front of the property, with a Romney sign sticking out of the mess or a Romney banner across the front of their house. I don't get it. It seems like a case of the pot calling the kettle black....people who seem to be at poverty's doorstep, complaining about other disadvantaged folks while embracing the propaganda of the rich.
I like to believe I am a "middle of the road" kinda of guy. I usually make every attempt to look at things from various perspectives. This makes sense to me because I am neither wealthy nor poor. I have never received public assistance, although I was broke once when I was 18 years old and had to ask my aunt to help me out (does this count?). When I worked, I made decent money and as a retired person I can pay my bills, what few I have, and still enjoy a few comforts or luxuries, but I am not going to purchase a Jag or take a cruise around the world anytime soon. I have friends and family who are very well off (my aunt was) and I have a sister who is barely scraping by and whose rent I paid this month because she couldn't. I doubt I am unique with regards to personally knowing people from all walks of life, both rich and poor.
There are and probably always have been folk who would rather scam the system or even stand on a freeway on ramp looking pathetic while panhandling for a living. There have always been people who spend much of their lives living in luxury either as a result of their own efforts or those of their forefathers. And there will always be folks that go from wealthy to poor and vice versa. So what I don't really get is how some folks seem to wear blinders when it comes to the rest of the world. They seem to make any attempt to put themselves in others shoes, as it were. Rather they spend a lot of time criticizing others and finding ways to prove their foregone conclusions right. To me that is like sinking in quicksand.
So as to not go completely off topic here, I also find it interesting that some folks who seem to be neither parents of students nor educators are so critical of education and apparently, willing to throw the baby out with the bath water, as it were. Anyone who has worked in a school around students and either as a teacher or in support roles knows there are problems with the system. They also should know that all those problems are not the caused by the public education system or our government. As has been pointed out here, some of the challenges education faces are a direct result of societal changes, such as absentee parents and the tendency for many people and children today to not take responsibility for their own actions. Additionally, there are problems with education which are a direct result of underfunding. I don't agree that the educational system is broken, but I can accept that it is changing and not always for the better. Just remember, for every negative horror story there are many positive tales to tell about successful students and educators.
1. I did not come from wealth by any stretch of the imagination. Our house hold income was less than average but my mom was great with finances.
2. I am a coach which is part of my business that was started with NOTHING, unless you consider starting a business with $100 something.
3. My other job is a trainer with my wife, she does NOT have another job.
4. As I said in #2. I started my business with nothing, no loans, no savings and a checking account that was in the negative. That $100 was taken from the overdraft money in my checking which was part of the account when I opened it. it wasn't credit over draft that I had to apply for.
5. Taken from #4, I am now in Obama's "1%" with my own home 40 yards from the sand in So. Cal, a second home in Palm Springs, a boat, a couple of cars, my own facility and just transferred my son to a PS from a private (since kindergarten) to play baseball.
Why is this relevant? Because it was done with a purpose to give my son a good, stable life, great education and to never need for the basics but go beyond and wonder where his next meal will come from and to NOT depend on anyone for help (monetary) and to stand on his own two feet.
You are who you surround yourself with, if you surround yourself with losers, you're going be a loser. If you surround yourself with success, you'll be successful. I chose to get away from people who brought me down and surrounded my self with successful people who I can learn from. It's all about what you want and doesn't have to be where you come from. I can tell you wealthy people DO give their money away..freely, and a lot of it. Again, there is a difference between giving freely and confiscating it.
BTW, when I started my business, I was also a single father with a 3 year old and not ONCE did I even think of applying for government assistance. Now you know why it fries my ass when people (lazy people) demonize wealthy people. I guaranty everyone of those CEO's, company presidents, small business owners and so on worked their ASSES off to get where they are and one hell of a lot harder than the 9-5er.
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1. I did not come from wealth by any stretch of the imagination. Our house hold income was less than average but my mom was great with finances.
2. I am a coach which is part of my business that was started with NOTHING, unless you consider starting a business with $100 something.
3. My other job is a trainer with my wife, she does NOT have another job.
4. As I said in #2. I started my business with nothing, no loans, no savings and a checking account that was in the negative. That $100 was taken from the overdraft money in my checking which was part of the account when I opened it. it wasn't credit over draft that I had to apply for.
5. Taken from #4, I am now in Obama's "1%" with my own home 40 yards from the sand in So. Cal, a second home in Palm Springs, a boat, a couple of cars, my own facility and just transferred my son to a PS from a private (since kindergarten) to play baseball.
Why is this relevant? Because it was done with a purpose to give my son a good, stable life, great education and to never need for the basics but go beyond and wonder where his next meal will come from and to NOT depend on anyone for help (monetary) and to stand on his own two feet.
You are who you surround yourself with, if you surround yourself with losers, you're going be a loser. If you surround yourself with success, you'll be successful. I chose to get away from people who brought me down and surrounded my self with successful people who I can learn from. It's all about what you want and doesn't have to be where you come from. I can tell you wealthy people DO give their money away..freely, and a lot of it. Again, there is a difference between giving freely and confiscating it.
BTW, when I started my business, I was also a single father with a 3 year old and not ONCE did I even think of applying for government assistance. Now you know why it fries my ass when people (lazy people) demonize wealthy people. I guaranty everyone of those CEO's, company presidents, small business owners and so on worked their ASSES off to get where they are and one hell of a lot harder than the 9-5er.
So I get that you are a self-made man who is luckier than some and is a successful entrepreneur. Obviously with your high income from your business (whatever that is), you don't need a bump from your public school coaching salary, which is probably just small change to you. I am still curious as to what you coach. You did not address this.
My stepfather was the youngest of eleven children. His step-father was a coal miner in Pennsylvania and a drunk. The family relied on charity from the Catholic church to eat much of the time. My stepdad had an 8th grade education. After a stint in the military in the 1940's, he knocked around in Florida working in the food industry, earning a pittance. Eventually, he moved to L.A. where he found work as a house painter. Later he met my mother who suggested he go into business for himself. He was never someone else's employee from that point forward. With lots of ambition and hard work, he was very successful in business. Similar to you, he was a self-made man. So, I get it.
As for being who you surround your self with, you have a point, but that statement is inaccurate. It is more who you identify with that influences your own success. Lots of wealthy people I know donate some of time and money to charitable functions and it doesn't bring them down. If fact, it lifts them up.
It fries my ass too when people are just too lazy to do something to better themselves and then expect a handout. However, I also know people who work hard and still struggle to succeed financially. I also know folks who are very well off who are rather lazy....some are CEO's of companies handed them without them having to work to get there.
I don't demonize folks for being rich, that would be somewhat hypocritical on my part. I do not agree with those who have little of no regard or empathy for others who are less fortunate they are or who have built their success on the backs of others and not of their own accord.
Incidentally, I don't believe President Obama coined the terms top 1% or "we are the 99%." This was the slogan of the Occupy movement in 2011.
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The top 1% who supported the Republican candidate were clearly unsuccessful at getting their Presidential choice elected this time around. As long as we are a democracy where the populous votes for their representatives in State Legislature, in Congress and the President, the candidates supported by the 99% will win. It is the ultimate nonviolent revolutionary tactic. Money buys a lot but it can't buy everything.
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"We want better teachers. But we want to pay them less".
Sorry, doesn't work like that.
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"We want better teachers. But we want to pay them less".
Sorry, doesn't work like that.
Bingo.
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And you making excuses for poor people who DO NOT want to fend for themselves and complain about it repulses me.
What you're not understanding is that working class families are often paying a higher percentage of taxes than the very well off.
You have some dream scenario where everyone is a mooch and doesn't want to work. Just because you've found comfort in this rage doesn't make it true.
This is why I say Republicans have done such a job on you. You are actually arguing FOR the rich paying less taxes than the struggling middle class.
And BTW, in case you didn't realize it, a lot of money that the very rich "give away" is a tax right off that is simply benefiting themselves.
For the love of god, get out of your Fox bubble and pull your head out of your ass.
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"We want better teachers. But we want to pay them less".
Sorry, doesn't work like that.
In general that's true, but since it's public, there has to be a balance. And benefits have to be factored into the overall pay as well.
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What you're not understanding is that working class families are often paying a higher percentage of taxes than the very well off.
You have some dream scenario where everyone is a mooch and doesn't want to work. Just because you've found comfort in this rage doesn't make it true.
This is why I say Republicans have done such a job on you. You are actually arguing FOR the rich paying less taxes than the struggling middle class.
And BTW, in case you didn't realize it, a lot of money that the very rich "give away" is a tax right off that is simply benefiting themselves.
For the love of god, get out of your Fox bubble and pull your head out of your ass.
Seriously, where do you get your info from? It's already been proven that the rich pay twice the effective tax rate as the middleclass. Even my CPA told me ythe same thing. It's a fallacy brought on by left to make you think otherwise. Problem is you believe everything the tell you whether its on on MSNBC or anywhere else. The very people who you listen to are the same people you demonize. Now, back to giving money away, who cares if they take a deduction, its legal and still more than what the rich left give away.
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"We want better teachers. But we want to pay them less".
Sorry, doesn't work like that.
Who want to pay them less? They want more besides their regular increases and if they don't get it they strike and the kids suffer for it. Welcome to the unions. When they decided to become teachers, they knew what they were in for salary wise. If you're doing it for the money and not to care, the you're in the wrong profession. You chose it, quit bitching about it or find another job.
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I don't know about the school system with which you are familiar, but in the district were I worked everyone there "worked in education." We all had to abide by the same morals clause and were expected to model behavior to students. To say I was (just) a janitor would be stretching the truth in a different direction. I was responsible for over 85 employees and millions of dollars in products and equipment. I was the onsite project manager for several multi-million dollar remodels at various buildings in the district. In addition, I was our Union President, a position where I represented the interests of over 1,000 classified employees who held a variety of educational positions in negotiations with their supervisors, HR and at the bargaining table. Indirectly, you are judging me without really knowing me or what my work entailed. Incidentally, there was and is no job classification titled "janitor" in the district.
Im not trying to judge you bro, I actually respect you even though we differ on probably all political and social issues. You seem like a good dude who is responsible and has decently thought out viewpoints.
That fine and dandy but you have to know the impression youre giving when you say "I worked in education" is not that of a maintenance director. It implies you were an educator, not working in maintenance at an educational facility.
dont be ignorant.
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Seriously, where do you get your info from? It's already been proven that the rich pay twice the effective tax rate as the middleclass. Even my CPA told me ythe same thing. It's a fallacy brought on by left to make you think otherwise. Problem is you believe everything the tell you whether its on on MSNBC or anywhere else. The very people who you listen to are the same people you demonize. Now, back to giving money away, who cares if they take a deduction, its legal and still more than what the rich left give away.
I don't watch cable news. None of it.
What was Romney's tax rate on the records he chose to release?
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I don't watch cable news. None of it.
What was Romney's tax rate on the records he chose to release?
Around 14.7%, double what the average person is and along with his other charitable givings it came out to about 40% (something like that) of his income.
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/romney-gave-1000-times-much-charity-year-biden-gave-decade_652977.html
The release of Mitt Romney’s 2011 tax returns shows that he freely gave away more than $4 million to charity last year (about 30 percent of his income). In comparison, when Joe Biden was first running for vice president, his tax returns showed that he had given away just $3,690 to charity over the previous ten years (about 0.2 percent of his income). In other words, Romney gave away a thousand times as much to charity in one year as Biden gave in a decade.
Mitt Romney
That’s despite the fact that the Bidens earned well over $2 million over that decade. In fact, their income was $320,000 in 2008, thereby putting them comfortably over the $250,000-a-year line that marks the entry point for “millionaires and billionaires” in Obama-speak.
Last year, Romney freely gave away more than $10,000 a day to charity — an impressive sum by nearly any standard. Of course, it’s not too hard to beat Biden’s tally. Over the span of that decade, or 3,650 days, he gave away $3,690 — an average of $1.01 a day.
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Around 14.7%, double what the average person is and along with his other charitable givings it came out to about 40% (something like that) of his income.
Some people just don't get it.
I've already explained it to you, but you just don't get it.
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/romney-gave-1000-times-much-charity-year-biden-gave-decade_652977.html
The release of Mitt Romney’s 2011 tax returns shows that he freely gave away more than $4 million to charity last year (about 30 percent of his income). In comparison, when Joe Biden was first running for vice president, his tax returns showed that he had given away just $3,690 to charity over the previous ten years (about 0.2 percent of his income). In other words, Romney gave away a thousand times as much to charity in one year as Biden gave in a decade.
Mitt Romney
That’s despite the fact that the Bidens earned well over $2 million over that decade. In fact, their income was $320,000 in 2008, thereby putting them comfortably over the $250,000-a-year line that marks the entry point for “millionaires and billionaires” in Obama-speak.
Last year, Romney freely gave away more than $10,000 a day to charity — an impressive sum by nearly any standard. Of course, it’s not too hard to beat Biden’s tally. Over the span of that decade, or 3,650 days, he gave away $3,690 — an average of $1.01 a day.
And what does that have to do with anything?
Its there policies that have an effect Romney= +military spending and tax cuts for rich= huge deficit.
Biden not so much.
Im sure Romney is a cool guy in private but unlike you we are not seeking a friend to bond with.
You need to fix that shit if you want to debate politics everything else is irresponsible. And i know you value selfresponsibility so get started.
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In general that's true, but since it's public, there has to be a balance. And benefits have to be factored into the overall pay as well.
You might be surprised to know that when you compare the percentage of people getting benefits in the public and private sector, many of them are equal. One that surprised me was health benefits. What I suspect a lot of people don't understand is that in recent years more and more employees in the public sector don't qualify for benefits such as health insurance or retirement plans because the can't get enough hours. Part time positions in the public sector are ever increasing. A lot of times fulltime positions have be split in to two or more part time positions.
Benefits are factored in when considering pay even when the position doesn't qualify for benefits. The way it is factored in is at the bargaining table. When employee groups bargain wages and benefits they frequently do so on behalf of full time employees instead of factoring in the reduced benefit cost for part time employees.
Unfortunately, nothing is ever as simple as it seems. I worked for a large public school district for about 30 years. When I started most classified employees working there made modest salaries and had good benefits. By the time I retired that hourly wages were still comparatively modest (often somewhat less than for comparable jobs in the private sector), but often the positions were part time ones with no benefits. For those qualifying for benefits, they were paying more out of pocket for their health care.
Currently there is talk of requiring public employees to contribute a larger portion towards their PERS (Public Employees Retirement System). In addition changes to PERS have resulted in large reductions in retirement benefits in recent years. It seems whenever the media wants to example how plush public employees benefits are they site someone who has been in the system, like me, for 30 years and thus was or is able to retire with higher benefits than most present and future retirees will have. The media also will pick someone like this fellow in Oregon who was a university coach and who was paid an enormous salary plus enhanced benefits which resulted in his getting an obscene retirement benefit of $40,000 a month. Of course these examples piss people off. Trust me, my retirement benefit after 30 years isn't even 10% of that figure and yet it is still much better than most retirees are getting.
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Im not trying to judge you bro, I actually respect you even though we differ on probably all political and social issues. You seem like a good dude who is responsible and has decently thought out viewpoints.
That fine and dandy but you have to know the impression youre giving when you say "I worked in education" is not that of a maintenance director. It implies you were an educator, not working in maintenance at an educational facility.
dont be ignorant.
I didn't think you were judging me. I do think you are not well-informed when it comes to school employees and how their jobs are viewed from within. If someone said they worked in the auto industry and their position was that of secretary, would you think they were misleading you or implying they built automobiles?
I am not ignorant. I suspect people who are unfamiliar with how the education works simply don't understand that regardless of one's job in a school district they are expected to be role models to the students. I worked in education. In the traditional sense, I was not an educator at least not in the same way that a classroom teacher is. I did however at times work with students, sometimes one on one.
Don't feel bad. You are hardly alone in thinking all people who work in education are teachers or school principals. At the school district where I worked there are about 1,500 certified (teaching) staff and about 1,000 classified (support) staff. In addition to that there are administrators and exempt employees. Exempt staff are folks whose jobs involve dealing with private and sensitive issues such as HR and some payroll folks as well and secretaries to the top administrators.
You will notice that the media generally focuses on teachers when talking about wages and benefits. This is because they are always the largest group of employees in a school district. This is as it should be. In fact, in my opinion, there could be fewer administrators and more frontline employees such as teachers and educational assistants. The teachers' unions, NEA and AFT and the most powerful unions in education.
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http://www.npr.org/2012/12/07/166745290/school-district-owes-1-billion-on-100-million-loan
Omfg. Typical govt. Thugs.
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One Republican governor things teachers are "little bitches" that "already don't work".
Gov. Susana Martinez, R-N.M.
In candid conversations with her closest political aides that were published Wednesday, Martinez dubs her 2010 Democratic opponent “that little bitch,” complains that teachers “already don’t work … 2 1/2 months out of the year” and exhibits a penchant for punishing political opponents similar to the merciless retribution that landed Gov. Chris Christie’s administration in hot water.