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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: a_ahmed on December 06, 2012, 03:52:06 PM
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Okay so... im already on an ai... already doing cardio, using xpel (otc dieuretic -- not harmful like lasix n crazy insane stuff like that its herbal blend it works but works mildly as best as something natural can).
I've bumped up my var and although i feel great while going heavy BP is a serious issue...
I am already taking hawthorn berry... damn i need some other suggestions.
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10 mg Linatil ed (enalapril maleate) it's a safe and effective medication for high blood pressure. I use to take it for years, then about a 18 months ago it fixed it self when i didn't have to stress the way i used to. BP is a VERY serious issue so take it very seriously, it's easy to keep under control but when the damage has been done it's too late. Even Dan Duchaine praised enalapril maleate since it's cheap, effective, safe and even offers some bodybuilding benefits because it works by relaxing the blood vessels.
PS. I think that Universal Nutrition's arbuterol is more effective than X-pel...
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Thanks for the info on universal nutrition's arbuterol. I have only tried xpel but since it worked i kept using it. I guess I'll have to give it a try. Never tried any 'real' diuretics as i am not competing heh and that'd be plain dangerous.
Is this enalapril maleate over the counter?
How about viagra and cialis? I have some lol...
Creatine nitrate? The two together = bad combo? The first time i used var was also when i used c-bol (creatine nitrate) boy did i have EXPLOSIVE painful pumps... cant remember if i had bp issues that time :-/
Nitrates if im not mistaken are used in like blood pressure lowering medications or something?
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Enalapril maleate is an Rx ace-inhibitor, good & safe med.
Don't use viagra with it, cialis is ok, but not at the same time...
Creatine and diuretics isn't a good idea, it might look good on paper, but it's not in real life. Stay away from nitrates as well, unless your doc Rx's them to you for serious heart issues.
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I don't think I want to go to my doc to prescribe me that lol he knows my family and he'll rat out next time that i have blood pressure and family drama ensues.
Normally even on high doses of androgens i get BP under control but the current inclusion of var has caused me issues... using xpel, cardio and hawthorn berry was enough to not have any BP issues even with tren/equi but the var is magical in its own right.
I do have viagra right now.. i can get cialis... so pre workout viagra should lower bp right?
I'd have to ask some sources for enalapril maleate then... dont wana go doc for prescription. I wish my doc was a BBer, would make things alot easier haha... lucky the guys who have such docs :-/
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Losartan
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Losartan
what dosages? I read http://www.medicinenet.com/losartan/article.htm
Also seems to be very dangerous with dieuretics. Even my otc which has potassium seems like a dangerous idea. Would appreciate your input.
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^ Stay away from that combo.
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5-10mg enalapril maleate seems the way to go ed. There is even an equivalent for dogs/cats, lmao but even that requires Rx. Boo... If only I had a pro-BB doctor :D
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well im upping my hawthorny bery dose. I also heard celery seed is good for this. Garlic. So I may get some of that celery seed and garlic extract pills on top of the heightened hawthorn berry... hopefully works.
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They'll end up costing as much (or more) and might help marginally, if even that. No doctor will have a problem with a patient who's actually interested in their own well being. Most people don't give a shit about PB until they get a stroke or something like that.
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Urgh I need to find a local doc that just prescribes shit randomly... is what i need... there was one such doc a long time ago i knew of... he pretty much wanted to refil test for my trt even though i already had it (hilarious) even though my endo was doing that. But no idea where he is now.
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Well yesterday took maybe 3g of hawthorn barry, no preworkout (no caffeine), xpel full dose (4 pill morning, 4 pill afternoon) and i had like no bp issues, my face did go tiny bit red on heavier lifts but i didnt feel like blowing up... however i had NO pumps, no veins and joints were murdered.. shitty workout.
Gotta find balance...
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What are your BP levels like? (in the morning, after working out, at night and at complete rest? Keep a log for a few days and show it to which ever doctor you will (hopefully) visit, also post them here or PM me.
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I go by feel, I can feel it. I haven't actually taken measurments, i do not have a heart rate watch or bp monitor of any kind, anything ud recommend?
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"Going by feel" isn't smart, at all. When i "felt" my bp it was already sky high. I took meds for years, then got rid of a stressful job and now my bp is ideal without meds.
Get yourself a BP-monitor ASAP, (one with a big enough cuff) i'd recommend Omron M6 comfort, get that it's awesome. BP-monitor is the wrong place to try and save money.
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what dosages? I read http://www.medicinenet.com/losartan/article.htm
Also seems to be very dangerous with dieuretics. Even my otc which has potassium seems like a dangerous idea. Would appreciate your input.
50 mg daily for me. It's supposed to be easy on the kidneys as compared to some other bp meds. No knowledge on its interaction with diuretics. Get your bp under control, long term elevated bp is deadly.
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i just may have a buddy who can hook me up with some lisinopril! Can't get right away but there's hope :D Aah if I was in africa or middle-east I'd just hop over to the pharmacy and get otc lol. If only pharmacies were as liberal here :D
Ideally have to come up with a plan on how to get the doc to prescribe me... my workouts would be that much easier. Sometimes I take longer breaks simply for heart to relax before I hit next set... not healthy I know...
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i just may have a buddy who can hook me up with some lisinopril! Can't get right away but there's hope :D Aah if I was in africa or middle-east I'd just hop over to the pharmacy and get otc lol. If only pharmacies were as liberal here :D
Ideally have to come up with a plan on how to get the doc to prescribe me... my workouts would be that much easier. Sometimes I take longer breaks simply for heart to relax before I hit next set... not healthy I know...
If you have elevated bp there is no reason a doctor wouldn't prescribe it. Lisinopril made me cough when I laid down to go to sleep at night after taking it. Its a common side.
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well im upping my hawthorny bery dose. I also heard celery seed is good for this. Garlic. So I may get some of that celery seed and garlic extract pills on top of the heightened hawthorn berry... hopefully works.
Upping the hawth dose has always worked for me as long as I was taking some kind of AI. If you do not have/use hawthorn berrry EXTRACT i recommend you do difference between that and the actual "berry" is significant.
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Is this the 'extract' or the 'berry' by itself...
https://www.smartpowders.com/p-6669-hawthorn-berry-550-mg-100-caps.aspx
There's this too this one mentions extract.. hard to tell though:
https://www.smartpowders.com/p-6663-hawthorn-extract-300-mg-90-vcapsampreg.aspx
I'm also considering getting:
https://www.smartpowders.com/p-6615-celery-circulation-60-vcapsampreg.aspx
https://www.smartpowders.com/p-6049-garlic-super-odorless-180-caps.aspx
https://www.smartpowders.com/p-6425-grape-seed-100-mg-200-vcaps174.aspx
These are suppose to help with BP and cholesterol right?
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Is this the 'extract' or the 'berry' by itself...
https://www.smartpowders.com/p-6669-hawthorn-berry-550-mg-100-caps.aspx
^^ that would be the berry itself. here is what the NOW brand Hawthorn Extract looks like: http://www.amazon.com/Now-Foods-Hawthorn-Extractract-Veg-capsules/dp/B001395MNC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1355368986&sr=8-1&keywords=hawthorn+extract
There's this too this one mentions extract.. hard to tell though:
https://www.smartpowders.com/p-6663-hawthorn-extract-300-mg-90-vcapsampreg.aspx
^^ that's what you'd want. whether im buying from NOW or some other brand like natures way, etc, they are usually good about putting "extract" on the bottle somewhere easily visible to distinguish.
I'm also considering getting:
https://www.smartpowders.com/p-6615-celery-circulation-60-vcapsampreg.aspx
https://www.smartpowders.com/p-6049-garlic-super-odorless-180-caps.aspx
https://www.smartpowders.com/p-6425-grape-seed-100-mg-200-vcaps174.aspx
These are suppose to help with BP and cholesterol right?
Celery seed is suppose to help, not sure about grape seed and garlic though, although the health benefits they possess is good enough for me to take them if I had the extra money. :(
my number one supps for BP are letro, arimidex, dandelion root extract, hawthorn berry extract. stay on top of these supps and everytime i go in for bp its beautiful. recently had my bp checked and was on test and dbol and it was 120/60
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Thanks Olyu
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or eat absolutely clean at all times.
This and cardio made the biggest difference for me. My BP used to be 160/85 consistantly when i was weighing in the 250's and eating anything i wanted with no cardio. Now i'm using similar AAS doses, but i'm at 130/40 due to eating clean and doing cardio while weighing in the 220's.
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Thanks for the advice fellas well i just got paid todya and ordered hawthorn extract 300mg per pill! Will run 1200mg per day and im sure it will kick ass. hawthorn berry by itself was helping really... but i guess its not ideal.
I think the yohimbine hcl with cardio in the morning is what bloats me the hell out and contributes to the rise in bp.. i do piss all day but from what i read yohimbine bloat doesnt go away until like two weeks from stopping.
I seem to have stabilized some what though :)
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I necu da spustim dozu lol vec gubim snagu kako cutting.. Ali cu probat kombinaciju dieuretic i hawthorn extract, samo tolko da nebudem extremno bez vode, onda me joints kill.
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Just thought I'd add one more thing.
Forskolin. No not foreskin lol. This supplement is mostly used for fat loss/recomp but it also has a 'side effect' of lowering BP... so :)
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You have to be careful with the ace-inhibitors. If you begin to notice a cough or your tongue feels funny on it, stop asap. You can develop something called angioedema a potentially life threatening problem. Best bet is an ace receptor blocker or ARB examples are Cozaar, diovan, Avapro and Benicar. they cost more but are more effective.
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Lisinopril made me cough and killed my libido !!!! BIG time !!
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You guys need to get on the real stuff and stop with the hololistic recommendations.... Hawthorn berry right??!!
DOC
Lift, fuck, make money
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You guys need to get on the real stuff and stop with the hololistic recommendations....
Agreed.
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Galeniko what country are you from???
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Well what are 'herbal' medicines? What are pharmaceutical medicines? The herbal stuff has been used for centuries, the corporate $$$ medicines are in part sometimes better sometimes not, but their ultimate goal is $$$. What I am trying to say is, do not neglect herbal stuff as ultimately the chemicals in them are what deliver the results and the thing is they are just naturally found. Pharmaceuticals use scientists to derive what these chemicals are and synthesize them for profit not because they give a damn.
Not saying for serious BP issues that rx meds are not a good choice, hell no id love to get my hands on some but... you know what im trying to say is the herbal stuff does work maybe just not as aggressively :)
Speaking of which, i have tried viagra, tried forsokolin and garlic extract and they have helped. I also got the hawthorny extract and have been using it higher dosed and its managing the BP. They are working.. just thought I'd share.
As far as the garlic extract lmao it says odorless but DO NOT try to inhale I wanted to puke when i opened the bottle.. i try not to smell when swallowing haha... it was cheap though so meh
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The ultimate goal of nutritional companies that make "herbals" is money too, except they aren't controlled. I know ONE doc (out of many) that is kinda "pro" herbal and the "stack" that he suggested would had easily been 70-200 usd per month. I've tried three different BP meds and the most expensive one was Linatil and i paid 7-10 usd for 100 pills (no insurance and inside EU). So for me it made sense to use something that really works and cost's next to nothing.
Ahmed no offense but it sounds like you are trying to convince yourself and it has been said many times in this thread alone that no doctor will DENY BP meds from you...
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well just to let u know the combination worked so damn well that i actually had low blood pressure today which is just as shitty when trying to squat. I will lower dose as I was worried in the morning i felt high bp but by the time i chopped down hawthorn extract pills i ended up with low bp lol..
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You guys need to get on the real stuff and stop with the hololistic recommendations.... Hawthorn berry right??!!
DOC
Lift, fuck, make money
This! I tried otc supps and they did fuckall. You're playing with your life when it come to hbp.
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Ahmed, whats making you have High BP? the orals?
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You guys need to get on the real stuff and stop with the hololistic recommendations.... Hawthorn berry right??!!
DOC
Lift, fuck, make money
Shut the fuck up dont bash something then promote pharmaceuticals like only pharma products actually work. why would I want your poison pill pharma garbage when hawthorn berry by itself keeps my bp at 120/60?
Oh wait your a "doctor". Now im not surprised.
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The chemicals in medication come from somewhere, some from plants like aspirin. I wouldn't rely on herbal treatments 100% but I wouldn't call them trash either.
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Ahmed, whats making you have High BP? the orals?
ya since i threw in var/tbol.. but hawthorn extract (not berry) has worked perfectly as advertised.
In europe it's quite common for docs to recommend people to try hawthorn extract and aged garlic extract... as it does lower bp except in the most extreme of cases...
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Make sure your var is legit. Sometimes UGs substitute low dose dbol for var.
That being said first thing to do is stop any and all dirty eating like greasy things and junk. That will make a huge difference and add in some cardio. It doesn't have to be the boring treadmill or bicycle. Shoot hoops for 30 mins or jump rope. Look at some of the crossfit conditioning programs that are available free online and do 15-20 minutes of those EOD. Trust me, you will be drenched in sweat.
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lol i stopped eating greasy junk food and junk food in general years ago :)
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Well I gotta say... hawthorn extract at 900-1200mg is working wonders. Forsokolin also has as a side effect bp lowering. Aged garlic extract works too. Combination of these works for cycle style BP.. if u have legit hereditary/etc... bp then prescription meds are the key.
I think where I went wrong in the past was... i used 'hawthorn berry' thinking thats what is recommended.. until i read the difference between the extract and the berry. The extract is working marvelously! Will train legs tomorrow, so hopefully lmao i don't get low bp like last leg day and quite certainly not high bp! :D
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Is this the 'extract' or the 'berry' by itself...
https://www.smartpowders.com/p-6669-hawthorn-berry-550-mg-100-caps.aspx
There's this too this one mentions extract.. hard to tell though:
https://www.smartpowders.com/p-6663-hawthorn-extract-300-mg-90-vcapsampreg.aspx
I'm also considering getting:
https://www.smartpowders.com/p-6615-celery-circulation-60-vcapsampreg.aspx
https://www.smartpowders.com/p-6049-garlic-super-odorless-180-caps.aspx
https://www.smartpowders.com/p-6425-grape-seed-100-mg-200-vcaps174.aspx
These are suppose to help with BP and cholesterol right?
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Also try cooking any meats with FRESH garlic, not only does it taste good, but you're getting the real deal as it is in nature...