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Title: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: outby43 on December 07, 2012, 12:38:42 AM
I read he owes a lot of cash in back taxes and is selling memorabilia.  Then I saw this..LOL  I will always be a Ric Flair fan but this is outrageous.

http://www.ricflair.com/online-store?page=shop.browse&category_id=18

You could probably catch him at a bar and buy him a beer and get way more conversation.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Montague on December 07, 2012, 04:27:11 AM
Isn't Flair going through divorce #4?
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: nasht5 on December 07, 2012, 08:11:58 AM
yes flair is on divorce #4. he cheated on her and embarrased her... um,...... she knew what he was when she meet him. I don't blame ric one bit.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: funk51 on December 07, 2012, 09:02:52 AM
I read he owes a lot of cash in back taxes and is selling memorabilia.  Then I saw this..LOL  I will always be a Ric Flair fan but this is outrageous.

http://www.ricflair.com/online-store?page=shop.browse&category_id=18

You could probably catch him at a bar and buy him a beer and get way more conversation.
five minutes of wooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooo for how much.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: funk51 on December 07, 2012, 09:05:08 AM
next he'll be selling tickets for rides on space mountain. just two years ago he was selling autographs and photo ops in philly for 50 bucks.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Montague on December 07, 2012, 06:31:35 PM
When Flair first joined the Federation it was one of the best times of my life. Then when he teamed with Perfect to me it couldn't have gotten any better! But then it was all down hill from there. I think the guy did a great job but he's not one of the all time greats. The guy never carried the Federation. I continually hear about his days in the other wrestling organizations and how great he was. So if he was that great, was he past his prime once he joined the Federation?


Just because you never followed anything beyond it, the world of pro-wrestling was much bigger than the WWF, and there will always be many fans to whom Flair is and will always be an all-time great. He never carried the Fed because he wasn't there long enough.

Jim Herd was WCW president at the time. He didn't like Flair, who was the WCW "franchise" at the time; he was their booker and main star. Herd was the former CEO of Pizza Hut - no wrestling background. Anyway, Herd fired Flair as booker and replaced him with Ole Anderson.
Business tanked.

Shortly after that, Flair stopped appearing at WCW shows because his contract was up and a new one had not been agreed on. In those days, it was still customary for the champion to place a $25,000 deposit on the title while they held it for "insurance" purposes. Flair's contract expired while he was champ and he never received his deposit. Technically, he was still champion, that belt was his, and that's how it ended up on Vince's TV until the lawyers got involved and the old man had to stop showing it; something about a trademark infringement I think.

If Flair was past his prime at the time, Vince would not have scooped him up so fast. Ric left the Fed once the situation in WCW was ironed out.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Hulkster on December 07, 2012, 07:13:54 PM
he may have been past his prime but he and Savage had one HELL of a great match at WM8
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: OLE BIG on December 08, 2012, 09:57:11 AM
When Flair first joined the Federation it was one of the best times of my life. Then when he teamed with Perfect to me it couldn't have gotten any better! But then it was all down hill from there. I think the guy did a great job but he's not one of the all time greats. The guy never carried the Federation. I continually hear about his days in the other wrestling organizations and how great he was. So if he was that great, was he past his prime once he joined the Federation?

You are correct there. He is THE all time great.

If you polled 500 professional wrestlers from down the years, he would be considered the best by a wide majority.  When you have the respect from your peers as being the best, how can one argue that?
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Chadwick The Beta on December 08, 2012, 11:44:37 AM
When Flair first joined the Federation it was one of the best times of my life. Then when he teamed with Perfect to me it couldn't have gotten any better! But then it was all down hill from there. I think the guy did a great job but he's not one of the all time greats. The guy never carried the Federation. I continually hear about his days in the other wrestling organizations and how great he was. So if he was that great, was he past his prime once he joined the Federation?

you've sniffed way too many celebrities' panties
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Montague on December 08, 2012, 03:21:52 PM
you've sniffed way too many celebrities' panties


Seriously, Timmy has cooked for some rather famous people. Being a semi-buffed preparer of godly dishes, I suspect he's tagged some venereal diseased celeb clam in parts of the Hamptons.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: The Showstoppa on December 11, 2012, 03:08:37 PM
Anyone who attempts to make an argument that Flair isn't "one of the all-time greats" is certifiable.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: littleguns on December 15, 2012, 04:41:14 AM
Never saw the attraction for Flair. I think he had great matches because of the people he had in the ring with him, he always says his best matches were with Steamboat..Boom!

I think he is the biggest mark for himself and has never once come out of character. Toss up between bigger mark..Flair or Piper...
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: funk51 on December 15, 2012, 12:18:34 PM
in related news flair says he'll never wrestle again because of what happened to jerry lawler.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Karl Kox on December 16, 2012, 11:26:27 AM
 It seems like I read somewhere that he sold his NWA belt andTriple Hbought it back for him.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Montague on December 17, 2012, 04:41:53 AM
I think he is the biggest mark for himself and has never once come out of character. Toss up between bigger mark..Flair or Piper...


Ha-ha!! Before my eyes reached the end of your post, I thought of Piper. Add Bret Hart to the list, too.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Montague on December 17, 2012, 04:43:09 AM
There was definitely an attraction for him but it died out fast. Flair always makes reference to past Superstars about how great they were and how current Superstars couldn't "lace their boots" or "carry their jock strap". John Cena just carried the Federation for ten years strong. Earned hundreds of millions of dollars. Ask my nephews, 5th and 6th graders who Ric Flair is. Flairs not even close to the same league as Bret, 3:16, the Rock, John Cena, VKM, or Hulkamania. Here's just a comparison. Who's was a better all around entertainer? Flair or Edge? Soooooooo many guys did so much more for the show then Flair ever did. Timmy doesn't care about the locker room.  


It's all relative. Cena, Rock, etc. are the best of what there is right now, which is not as high a caliber as the best of Flair's generation (the one during Ric's peak). Being the top guy today is like being the valedictorian of summer school. Being the biggest and shiniest turd is nothing to brag about; you're still a piece of crap.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: The Showstoppa on December 17, 2012, 02:57:28 PM
Never saw the attraction for Flair. I think he had great matches because of the people he had in the ring with him, he always says his best matches were with Steamboat..Boom!

I think he is the biggest mark for himself and has never once come out of character. Toss up between bigger mark..Flair or Piper...

Not sure if this is a serious post, but if so the reason Flair "never came out of character" is because he wasn't "playing" one.  He was exactly the same guy out of the ring as in it, good or bad.

And REALLY don't get the lack of respect for Flair in this thread.  Sad state of what has become of wrestling fan's "knowledge" these days.   :-\
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Montague on December 17, 2012, 03:16:54 PM
Not sure if this is a serious post, but if so the reason Flair "never came out of character" is because he wasn't "playing" one.  He was exactly the same guy out of the ring as in it, good or bad.

And REALLY don't get the lack of respect for Flair in this thread.  Sad state of what has become of wrestling fan's "knowledge" these days.   :-\


S,

You ever run into Nature Boy around town?
It sounds like outside the ring/locker room, there are people who LOVE him, while others want to kick the shit out of him.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: The Showstoppa on December 17, 2012, 07:48:20 PM

S,

You ever run into Nature Boy around town?
It sounds like outside the ring/locker room, there are people who LOVE him, while others want to kick the shit out of him.

I've ran into Flair a few times out a bars, etc...  but OLE BIG could probably share a few stories about him, if he wants to, that are better than mine.

Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Montague on December 19, 2012, 01:24:33 PM
And REALLY don't get the lack of respect for Flair in this thread.  Sad state of what has become of wrestling fan's "knowledge" these days.   :-\


I suspect it boils down to a matter of taste/preference, or ignorance.

      preference: everyone is entitled to an opinion.
      ignorance: not everyone witnessed the Nature Boy during his Mid-Atlantic peak.

Hell, Hogan is considered one of the biggest things in wrestling, yet you mercilessly rag on him here.
And, I'm sure there are many who would criticize my own relentless criticism of Dusty Rhodes.

It's all good in the end.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: The Showstoppa on December 19, 2012, 04:46:03 PM

I suspect it bols down to a matter of taste/preference, or ignorance.

      preference: everyone is entitled to an opinion.
      ignorance: not everyone witnessed the Nature Boy during his Mid-Atlantic peak.

Hell, Hogan is considered one of the biggest things in wrestling, yet you mercilessly rag on him here.
And, I'm sure there are many who would criticize my own relentless criticism of Dusty Rhodes.

It's all good in the end.

Flair has crapped turds that could cut better promos and out wrestle Hogan and Dusty...  ;D
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Montague on December 19, 2012, 05:03:06 PM
Flair has crapped turds that could cut better promos and out wrestle Hogan and Dusty...  ;D


Couldn't agree more!
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: OLE BIG on December 22, 2012, 12:02:38 PM
Not sure if this is a serious post, but if so the reason Flair "never came out of character" is because he wasn't "playing" one.  He was exactly the same guy out of the ring as in it, good or bad.

And REALLY don't get the lack of respect for Flair in this thread.  Sad state of what has become of wrestling fan's "knowledge" these days.   :-\

I would love to add to this,  but can't.  And I think that is partially what made him great.  All he did was go on camera and be himself.  I guarantee you if you ran into him in Charlotte right now, he would be custom fit from head to toe.  I have seen him in the gym and he dresses better there than most do going all out.  Big difference in being a mark for yourself and just being yourself.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: OLE BIG on December 22, 2012, 12:03:51 PM
I've ran into Flair a few times out a bars, etc...  but OLE BIG could probably share a few stories about him, if he wants to, that are better than mine.



I have a few.  I will back here later and tell them.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Montague on December 22, 2012, 12:31:50 PM
I have a few.  I will back here later and tell them.


I look forward to these.
You have some of the best stories on the board. My favorite is the one with Hennig and your golf resort.

O.B.: What do you do when you miss the gum?

C.H.: I don't miss.


GOLD!!!
 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: nasht5 on December 22, 2012, 03:55:36 PM

I suspect it bols down to a matter of taste/preference, or ignorance.

      preference: everyone is entitled to an opinion.
      ignorance: not everyone witnessed the Nature Boy during his Mid-Atlantic peak.
Hell, Hogan is considered one of the biggest things in wrestling, yet you mercilessly rag on him here.
And, I'm sure there are many who would criticize my own relentless criticism of Dusty Rhodes.

It's all good in the end.

it must be true that people who don't give ric the respect he deserves for being a better wrestler/entertainer than EVERYBODY else must be due to the fact that they don't know their wrestling history. I'm 42, i watched it all since 1977. The greatest in my life is ric flair. Hogan, Austin, rock, macho, just about everyone else is beneath them.

Just like the greatest tag team is LOD. I enjoyed many other teams but Hawk & Animal are the best.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Montague on December 22, 2012, 04:17:20 PM
it must be true that people who don't give ric the respect he deserves for being a better wrestler/entertainer than EVERYBODY else must be due to the fact that they don't know their wrestling history. I'm 42, i watched it all since 1977. The greatest in my life is ric flair. Hogan, Austin, rock, macho, just about everyone else is beneath them.

Just like the greatest tag team is LOD. I enjoyed many other teams but Hawk & Animal are the best.


I suspect that there are very few Mid-Atlantic fans who feel any differently.
But, ignorance is no fault of the possessor. We cannot control what we are fed. Fans who grew up in the NY market had little choice in so far as their main programming offerings.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: outby43 on December 22, 2012, 05:12:31 PM
looking forward to the stories OB
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: littleguns on December 23, 2012, 05:25:12 AM
Not sure if this is a serious post, but if so the reason Flair "never came out of character" is because he wasn't "playing" one.  He was exactly the same guy out of the ring as in it, good or bad.

And REALLY don't get the lack of respect for Flair in this thread.  Sad state of what has become of wrestling fan's "knowledge" these days.   :-\

It was real, but again just my opinion. I started watching in the early 80's so caught Flair on TBS with Horsemen. I would take an Arn Anderson or a Rick Rude over Flair any day.

I do agree with another poster in here that rosters were sooo much deeper than they are now. Back then they had a ton of midcarders that could be pushed at any minute and not be crammed down your throat. Now a days someone goes down and they are scrambling to find find the next great thing. Ryback is OK, he is gettting crammed down our throats and come this time next year, he will be an after thought.


Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: OLE BIG on December 29, 2012, 09:04:56 AM
The first time I met Flair was after a card in my high school gymnasium.  I was around six years old.  We knew the wrestlers all stopped at a certain gas station on the way out of town.  Myself, my mother and cousin left the matches and went there.  Sure enough, pretty much all of them stopped.  I got my picture taken with Flair and Valentine who were together.  Mulligan and, I think Wahoo were there as well.  I was so crazy about meeting him, I can't remember all of them.  All were friendly, and looking back, Flair was very friendly to my mother.  He was lucky my dad wasn't there, or old Natch might have had a bad night.

I also got my picture taken with him a few times in the Civic Center of a bigger town.  He was always polite and friendly.  It was also there that I saw Valentine take care of a guy that was trying to get at Flair.  Not a good night for him.

About twenty years later, Stoppa, myself and another friend started going to every Nitro we could.  I had had that picture blown up and kept it all this time.  I wanted Flair to sign it.  We found quite a few of the wrestlers in Jock's And Jill's in Atlanta one night.  Flair had a big entourage with him and a guy basically keeping people away.  I was going to try and get to him and the guy stopped me.  I told him I just wanted him to sign my picture and showed it to him.  He said "Oh my gosh.  Nature Boy, you have to see this."

We walked over and Flair loved it.  He signed it and asked me when/where it was taken, and was amazed I had kept it so long.  I told him he didn't have enough money to buy it.  Again, he was very cordial.

After that, I had a buddy that was a wheel in Turner's organization.  He would always get us great tickets and find out where the wrestlers were staying and we would stay there.  The hotel would always have a bar and was always a Marriot, Turner must have had a contract with them.  We would just hang out in the bar "with" them.

I saw Flair many times, and pretty much everyone who was in WCW at the time.  My final count for Nitros was about 15 I think.

 
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Montague on December 29, 2012, 01:56:40 PM
The first time I met Flair was after a card in my high school gymnasium.  I was around six years old.  We knew the wrestlers all stopped at a certain gas station on the way out of town.  Myself, my mother and cousin left the matches and went there.  Sure enough, pretty much all of them stopped.  I got my picture taken with Flair and Valentine who were together.  Mulligan and, I think Wahoo were there as well.  I was so crazy about meeting him, I can't remember all of them.  All were friendly, and looking back, Flair was very friendly to my mother.  He was lucky my dad wasn't there, or old Natch might have had a bad night.

I also got my picture taken with him a few times in the Civic Center of a bigger town.  He was always polite and friendly.  It was also there that I saw Valentine take care of a guy that was trying to get at Flair.  Not a good night for him.

About twenty years later, Stoppa, myself and another friend started going to every Nitro we could.  I had had that picture blown up and kept it all this time.  I wanted Flair to sign it.  We found quite a few of the wrestlers in Jock's And Jill's in Atlanta one night.  Flair had a big entourage with him and a guy basically keeping people away.  I was going to try and get to him and the guy stopped me.  I told him I just wanted him to sign my picture and showed it to him.  He said "Oh my gosh.  Nature Boy, you have to see this."

We walked over and Flair loved it.  He signed it and asked me when/where it was taken, and was amazed I had kept it so long.  I told him he didn't have enough money to buy it.  Again, he was very cordial.

After that, I had a buddy that was a wheel in Turner's organization.  He would always get us great tickets and find out where the wrestlers were staying and we would stay there.  The hotel would always have a bar and was always a Marriot, Turner must have had a contract with them.  We would just hang out in the bar "with" them.

I saw Flair many times, and pretty much everyone who was in WCW at the time.  My final count for Nitros was about 15 I think.


That's great, man!

Thanks for sharing!!
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: The Showstoppa on January 04, 2013, 10:25:35 AM
OLE BIG, care to share the one about the almost 8-man tag match with you, TB, KL and SM vs Flair, Eddie, Benoit and ?

I'm actually not so sure your team would have lost unless TB got tagged in.....haha  ;D
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Montague on August 25, 2013, 10:03:11 AM
OLE BIG, care to share the one about the almost 8-man tag match with you, TB, KL and SM vs Flair, Eddie, Benoit and ?

I'm actually not so sure your team would have lost unless TB got tagged in.....haha  ;D


BUMP!!!
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on August 26, 2013, 10:33:44 PM
In this week's Steve Austin show podcast, Flair is the guest.

One of the more amazing things Flair said was that he wrestled Steamboat 1500 times. :o
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Montague on August 28, 2013, 01:55:04 AM
In this week's Steve Austin show podcast, Flair is the guest.

One of the more amazing things Flair said was that he wrestled Steamboat 1500 times. :o


Flair may be speaking somewhat in hyperbole, but those guys did work a lot more back then. Flair and Ricky were working matches together in the 70's. That number may not be too far off.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: The Showstoppa on August 28, 2013, 04:26:26 AM

Flair may be speaking somewhat in hyperbole, but those guys did work a lot more back then. Flair and Ricky were working matches together in the 70's. That number may not be too far off.

I am sure at the height of the fued they were wrestling 6 or 7 times a week for months. 
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Submissionfytr on August 28, 2013, 04:44:52 AM
Flair is definately the greatest wrestler of all time, hands down.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on August 28, 2013, 06:19:05 AM
He also said, during his title runs, he was spending 10k a month on clothes because he didn't want to wear the same thing on television twice.

If you think in inflation adjusted terms, that's some serious money.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Montague on August 28, 2013, 09:37:23 AM
He also said, during his title runs, he was spending 10k a month on clothes because he didn't want to wear the same thing on television twice.

If you think in inflation adjusted terms, that's some serious money.


I can't remember who said it, but I'd heard that the Crockett's compensated him for at least some of those threads.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on August 28, 2013, 09:57:17 AM

I can't remember who said it, but I'd heard that the Crockett's compensated him for at least some of those threads.

That's pretty ironic, considering how much Flair would insult the Crockett's wardrobes ;)
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Karl Kox on August 28, 2013, 11:20:43 AM
In this week's Steve Austin show podcast, Flair is the guest.

One of the more amazing things Flair said was that he wrestled Steamboat 1500 times. :o

That was a good show.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: The Showstoppa on August 28, 2013, 11:59:02 AM
That's pretty ironic, considering how much Flair would insult the Crockett's wardrobes ;)

Love that clip where he insults Shiavones suit. 
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on August 28, 2013, 12:14:29 PM
That was a good show.

I was half asleep while listening, but I believe Jim Ross mentioned your dad when going through the names of talent who worked for Bill Watts in Mid-South.

The Kevin Nash Interview is a good listen, as well. I'm impressed with Austin's ability as a broadcaster, and interviewer. He's a total natural at it.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Montague on August 28, 2013, 03:34:53 PM
I was half asleep while listening, but I believe Jim Ross mentioned your dad when going through the names of talent who worked for Bill Watts in Mid-South.

The Kevin Nash Interview is a good listen, as well. I'm impressed with Austin's ability as a broadcaster, and interviewer. He's a total natural at it.


Where can you listen to these?
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on August 28, 2013, 05:53:38 PM

Where can you listen to these?

On this page:

http://podcastone.com/Steve-Austin-Show (http://podcastone.com/Steve-Austin-Show)

Or from a podcast app.
 
Listening to the show, you can see why his "Stone Cold" character went over, so well. It's pretty much him.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Montague on August 29, 2013, 01:41:39 AM
On this page:

http://podcastone.com/Steve-Austin-Show (http://podcastone.com/Steve-Austin-Show)

Or from a podcast app.
 
Listening to the show, you can see why his "Stone Cold" character went over, so well. It's pretty much him.


Thanks!

And, part of the Attitude Era's beauty is that they moved away from the cheesy assigned/forced characters to ones that were basically more extensions of the wrestlers' real personalities.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Karl Kox on August 29, 2013, 05:16:50 AM
At first Austins Podcast was hard for me to listen to. It sounded like he was yelling all the time but I've moved past that and really enjoy them.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on August 29, 2013, 06:14:49 AM
At first Austins Podcast was hard for me to listen to. It sounded like he was yelling all the time but I've moved past that and really enjoy them.

Yeah, I guess he felt he had to be his character, which is him turned up to "11." Now, he's realizing he can turn it down a few notches.

The show is still new. It just started this this past April.

Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Painlayer69 on September 18, 2013, 06:40:19 AM
I read he owes a lot of cash in back taxes and is selling memorabilia.  Then I saw this..LOL  I will always be a Ric Flair fan but this is outrageous.

http://www.ricflair.com/online-store?page=shop.browse&category_id=18

You could probably catch him at a bar and buy him a beer and get way more conversation.

What a POS, Never personally liked Flair myself. Kinda like Hogan in certain ways Example neither one could ever bump for shit, Hella story teller tho.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: The Showstoppa on September 18, 2013, 11:52:51 AM
What a POS, Never personally liked Flair myself. Kinda like Hogan in certain ways Example neither one could ever bump for shit, Hella story teller tho.

I take back what I said in the other thread about you and OLE BIG.  Those are fighting words. 
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Montague on September 18, 2013, 02:50:01 PM
What a POS, Never personally liked Flair myself. Kinda like Hogan in certain ways Example neither one could ever bump for shit, Hella story teller tho.


Only God can save you now, friend!!

 :o :o ;D
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Painlayer69 on September 20, 2013, 11:17:44 AM
When Flair first joined the Federation it was one of the best times of my life. Then when he teamed with Perfect to me it couldn't have gotten any better! But then it was all down hill from there. I think the guy did a great job but he's not one of the all time greats. The guy never carried the Federation. I continually hear about his days in the other wrestling organizations and how great he was. So if he was that great, was he past his prime once he joined the Federation?

To be honest man Flair imo never had a prime, He could never bump for shit, Constantly had better athletes than him putting him over when it should have been vice versa...... I have never been able to stand flair, And now he's selling phone calls? WTF Flair?
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Painlayer69 on September 20, 2013, 11:19:40 AM

Only God can save you now, friend!!

 :o :o ;D

LMAO ive just never understood why people mark out for flair....Sure he could tell a story in the ring but otherwise he was shit
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Montague on September 20, 2013, 03:02:16 PM
Sure he could tell a story in the ring...


THAT'S the most important aspect!

And, he did it among the best of anyone else in the business with the skills he had. It didn't matter if he couldn't or wouldn't take bigger bumps; he didn't have to. There are guys who did crazier shit, but it never had anywhere near the meaning of Flair's ring work.

Undertaker's suicide dive isn't anything spectacular compared with the trampoline acts done by RVD, the Hardee's, Sabu, etc., but Taker gives his spot just as much - if not more - meaning the one night per year he does it.

Ric's work held up then, and continues to hold up today, because of who he is. Somebody new would not likely get the same mileage out of any of Ric's material. That's an impressive accomplishment!
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Painlayer69 on September 20, 2013, 10:13:42 PM

THAT'S the most important aspect!

And, he did it among the best of anyone else in the business with the skills he had. It didn't matter if he couldn't or wouldn't take bigger bumps; he didn't have to. There are guys who did crazier shit, but it never had anywhere near the meaning of Flair's ring work.

Undertaker's suicide dive isn't anything spectacular compared with the trampoline acts done by RVD, the Hardee's, Sabu, etc., but Taker gives his spot just as much - if not more - meaning the one night per year he does it.

Ric's work held up then, and continues to hold up today, because of who he is. Somebody new would not likely get the same mileage out of any of Ric's material. That's an impressive accomplishment!


I know story telling is a VERY important part of being a great Professional Wrestler but i just never seen Ric as one of the greatest of all time, I respect him for what he has done, Still i just cant get the fascination with him......and never will.

If you like him then good for you but he ( For some reason ) has always annoyed the hell outta me....idk man
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: The Showstoppa on September 21, 2013, 06:07:14 PM

I know story telling is a VERY important part of being a great Professional Wrestler but i just never seen Ric as one of the greatest of all time, I respect him for what he has done, Still i just cant get the fascination with him......and never will.

If you like him then good for you but he ( For some reason ) has always annoyed the hell outta me....idk man

Just out of curiosity who is your top 5 all time?
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Montague on September 21, 2013, 06:23:24 PM

I know story telling is a VERY important part of being a great Professional Wrestler but i just never seen Ric as one of the greatest of all time, I respect him for what he has done, Still i just cant get the fascination with him......and never will.

If you like him then good for you but he ( For some reason ) has always annoyed the hell outta me....idk man


I feel similar about Dusty Rhodes.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Painlayer69 on September 21, 2013, 10:09:23 PM

I feel similar about Dusty Rhodes.

Yeah i never got that about him either, I mean its like if you could cut a decent/good promo back then you were pushed....Eh different times indeed
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: The Showstoppa on September 22, 2013, 08:10:03 PM
Yeah i never got that about him either, I mean its like if you could cut a decent/good promo back then you were pushed....Eh different times indeed

Now nobody can cut a decent promo, zero ring psychology and a revolving door on non entertaining turds.  With VERY few exceptions. 
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Painlayer69 on September 22, 2013, 11:23:30 PM
Now nobody can cut a decent promo, zero ring psychology and a revolving door on non entertaining turds.  With VERY few exceptions. 


I totally agree with you here
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: The Showstoppa on September 23, 2013, 09:23:29 AM

I totally agree with you here
I wasnt trying to be an ass earlier.  Actually wpuld like to know who your all time top 5 is. 
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Painlayer69 on September 23, 2013, 11:51:32 AM
I wasnt trying to be an ass earlier.  Actually wpuld like to know who your all time top 5 is. 


np LOL actually didnt even see the question...i must have looked over it sorry bout that, Tough question let me think about that ill get u an answer tonight probably
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: The Showstoppa on September 23, 2013, 04:56:38 PM

np LOL actually didnt even see the question...i must have looked over it sorry bout that, Tough question let me think about that ill get u an answer tonight probably

No prob.  Cool.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Painlayer69 on September 24, 2013, 07:39:10 AM
After much thought my list goes something like this, In no particular order

Randy Savage
Jake Roberts
Curt Hennig
Edge
Shawn Micheals
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Montague on September 24, 2013, 10:21:50 AM
Limiting it to five is tough.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: The Showstoppa on September 24, 2013, 11:02:27 AM
After much thought my list goes something like this, In no particular order

Randy Savage
Jake Roberts
Curt Hennig
Edge
Shawn Micheals

Really like 4/5.  Hennig, HBK and Savage certainly in my top 10. Really dont care about Edge at all. 

It is interesting with Roberts as imo he is very similar to Flair.   Great promos, no big bumps and a master ring psychologist.  I can remember in Mid- Atlantic when he turned heel.  Prior to that he was a half cowboy running around knee lifting everybody.  By far his best work was in Florida with Sullivan. Thats when the darker side emerged.  WWF stuff was weak by comparison. 

Its funny how we can all overlook issues with "our guys". For example you mentioned the backstage stuff with Flair compared to Hogan, yet HBK is on your list. Who is probably the worst there has ever been.  Lol.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Painlayer69 on September 24, 2013, 11:58:41 AM
Hey i didnt say that HBK was in my top 5 for his personality back stage lol, As for Roberts i always really liked him while growing up especially his stuff with Savage They had some really good matches, unlike flair he could actually bump. I dont care if they ever took huge bumps or anything just if they could bump good at all " Flair never took a decent bump until his late stuff in wwe " As for Edge, He was a very innovative talent one of the best WWE has had in recent memory.....Every title reign was full of classic heel controversy in one way or another accept his win over Ziggler, His promos werent the best but always VERY entertaining.

I dont think i have to explain Savage OR Hennig lol

Rick Rude was a very close top 5 for me i almost listed him but i just remember more from Roberts.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: The Showstoppa on September 24, 2013, 05:45:40 PM
Hey i didnt say that HBK was in my top 5 for his personality back stage lol, As for Roberts i always really liked him while growing up especially his stuff with Savage They had some really good matches, unlike flair he could actually bump. I dont care if they ever took huge bumps or anything just if they could bump good at all " Flair never took a decent bump until his late stuff in wwe " As for Edge, He was a very innovative talent one of the best WWE has had in recent memory.....Every title reign was full of classic heel controversy in one way or another accept his win over Ziggler, His promos werent the best but always VERY entertaining.

I dont think i have to explain Savage OR Hennig lol

Rick Rude was a very close top 5 for me i almost listed him but i just remember more from Roberts.

Really like Rude too.  He was a great tt with Manny Fernandez in the NWA.

I really dont see any difference in the bumps Flair took compared to Roberts.  Flair was routinely press slammed, etc... which at the time was a "big" bump.  He took whatever the finishers were at the time. Not to mention being one of the best juicers ever.  
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Montague on September 24, 2013, 06:38:01 PM
Blond guys always juiced the best.
 :)
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Painlayer69 on September 24, 2013, 06:46:14 PM
Really like Rude too.  He was a great tt with Manny Fernandez in the NWA.

I really dont see any difference in the bumps Flair took compared to Roberts.  Flair was routinely press slammed, etc... which at the time was a "big" bump.  He took whatever the finishers were at the time. Not to mention being one of the best juicers ever.  

idk man i just never saw Flair ever take a decent bump in all the matches ive seen of his.....Maybe i missed something? Just never got him, Maybe its just one of those things that for no reason at all i just cant stand the guy, Besides him being so self absorbed to try and sell phone call recordings doesnt exactly help my image of the guy lol....
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: The Showstoppa on September 24, 2013, 07:17:43 PM
idk man i just never saw Flair ever take a decent bump in all the matches ive seen of his.....Maybe i missed something? Just never got him, Maybe its just one of those things that for no reason at all i just cant stand the guy, Besides him being so self absorbed to try and sell phone call recordings doesnt exactly help my image of the guy lol....

If you are only looking for guys who arent self absorbed you might want a different sport. Lol. 

I  am probably biased because I really dont care about how big a bump someone can take.  To me it isnt who is the best stuntman.  I will take a guy who can tell a story in the ring over everytjing else.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Painlayer69 on September 24, 2013, 09:37:23 PM
I can deal with self absorbed guys in the sport " Steiner " is one of my favorites lol, But i seriously just plain flat out cannot stand Flair and never have been able to....I would say it might be because he's from older days in the sport but there are so many from that time that i like.

And by taking bumps im not saying he cant because he didnt fall 20 feet from a ladder through a table to the floor or anything but ive just never seen him even take a decent bump just from his feet to the canvas. Guys dont get me wrong i RESPECT Flair for what he's done and where he's been but he's just not one of the all time greats in my eyes.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Montague on September 25, 2013, 01:55:35 AM
... ive just never seen him even take a decent bump just from his feet to the canvas.


Not that this is any marker for who makes a "top 5" list, but Flair routinely took slams from the top turnbuckle. It was one of his regular spots.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: The Showstoppa on September 25, 2013, 06:57:47 AM
I can deal with self absorbed guys in the sport " Steiner " is one of my favorites lol, But i seriously just plain flat out cannot stand Flair and never have been able to....I would say it might be because he's from older days in the sport but there are so many from that time that i like.

And by taking bumps im not saying he cant because he didnt fall 20 feet from a ladder through a table to the floor or anything but ive just never seen him even take a decent bump just from his feet to the canvas. Guys dont get me wrong i RESPECT Flair for what he's done and where he's been but he's just not one of the all time greats in my eyes.

Not even a decent bump?  I am really not following. He took every finisher/spot during his era that any other wrestler of that time did. A ton of press slams from Sting, Luger, Warriors, etc...  And I do have to say suffering a broken back and was still willing to do it. 

It is just interesting to me that someone who is obviously a more serious fan would dislike Flair.  One thing I will say is that you are a bit younger than me and most likely only remember Flair after 1990 or so.  His work in the 90's and later was a shadow on the 70's and especially mid 80's.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: funk51 on September 25, 2013, 09:47:12 AM
Not even a decent bump?  I am really not following. He took every finisher/spot during his era that any other wrestler of that time did. A ton of press slams from Sting, Luger, Warriors, etc...  And I do have to say suffering a broken back and was still willing to do it. 

It is just interesting to me that someone who is obviously a more serious fan would dislike Flair.  One thing I will say is that you are a bit younger than me and most likely only remember Flair after 1990 or so.  His work in the 90's and later was a shadow on the 70's and especially mid 80's.
flair was taking that top rope bump till just a few years ago in his TNA stint.jerry  lawler's  recent near death experience is said to have opened ric flair's eyes about future matches.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Painlayer69 on September 25, 2013, 10:27:57 AM
Not even a decent bump?  I am really not following. He took every finisher/spot during his era that any other wrestler of that time did. A ton of press slams from Sting, Luger, Warriors, etc...  And I do have to say suffering a broken back and was still willing to do it. 

It is just interesting to me that someone who is obviously a more serious fan would dislike Flair.  One thing I will say is that you are a bit younger than me and most likely only remember Flair after 1990 or so.  His work in the 90's and later was a shadow on the 70's and especially mid 80's.

I did watch a few matches of his older work recently and i can now say yeah i guess he could take a bump when he wanted to, Just still man idk i just cant seem to like the guy lol, Serious fan for sure hell i even worked in the ring with some indy guys in Michigan for a few years until i broke my back......My entire lifes dream was to become a famous worker but the back just took that away.

Like i said i respect him but just cant like him, Not trying to take anything away from him because he has had a very famous and storied career. Just not a fan
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: The Showstoppa on September 25, 2013, 12:23:23 PM
I did watch a few matches of his older work recently and i can now say yeah i guess he could take a bump when he wanted to, Just still man idk i just cant seem to like the guy lol, Serious fan for sure hell i even worked in the ring with some indy guys in Michigan for a few years until i broke my back......My entire lifes dream was to become a famous worker but the back just took that away.

Like i said i respect him but just cant like him, Not trying to take anything away from him because he has had a very famous and storied career. Just not a fan

Not a problem.  Sucks about your back

Its just rare ti come across a more serious fan who doesnt like Flair. 
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Painlayer69 on September 25, 2013, 06:19:43 PM
Thx man

Yeah i mean i wish i could like him, I have tried in the past to get into liking Flair but just doesnt seem to work..... I do however love the promos that he would cut while in the four horsemen in the 80's " I got the 4 horseman DVD " Awesome collection there but still i would always seem to be drawn more toward tully and arn than i was Ric.

Actually when i spent some time in a promotion up in Michigan there was a little group of us that just couldnt stand him.....Honestly it's weird for me too, For quite awhile i had a fear of saying anything negative about flair around these guys but then we all became pretty close and it just came out one day at one of my buddies house when the promotion for Flair Triple DVD set collection came out. There were guys in the group that thought otherwise but they were even younger than me so all they really knew about the sport is what they had seen growing up in the 90's.

I even had a buddy so young that he thought it was all garbage except the ECW stuff in the late 90's " Hes only about 22 or so now lol. So i guess we just all have different impressions of guys depending on what and more importantly WHEN we saw it.
Title: Re: Is Ric Flair worth it?
Post by: Montague on September 26, 2013, 02:13:18 AM
Thx man

Yeah i mean i wish i could like him, I have tried in the past to get into liking Flair but just doesnt seem to work..... I do however love the promos that he would cut while in the four horsemen in the 80's " I got the 4 horseman DVD " Awesome collection there but still i would always seem to be drawn more toward tully and arn than i was Ric.

Actually when i spent some time in a promotion up in Michigan there was a little group of us that just couldnt stand him.....Honestly it's weird for me too, For quite awhile i had a fear of saying anything negative about flair around these guys but then we all became pretty close and it just came out one day at one of my buddies house when the promotion for Flair Triple DVD set collection came out. There were guys in the group that thought otherwise but they were even younger than me so all they really knew about the sport is what they had seen growing up in the 90's.

I even had a buddy so young that he thought it was all garbage except the ECW stuff in the late 90's " Hes only about 22 or so now lol. So i guess we just all have different impressions of guys depending on what and more importantly WHEN we saw it.



Kids these days...