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like colemans shrinking arm, it has now also affected dexter
is it just from training for too long?
inevitable?
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When Victor Richard was on RX radio he said; why not call Ronnies "nerve damage" by its real name..,,namely a microstroke. Victors father is o doctor, and Vic has read psychology, and is an educated/informad person overall, so I think he could very well be bullseye on this one. Ronnie also seems to sludder quite a bit whenever he tries to talk, wich concurrs with the above.
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When Victor Richard was on RX radio he said; why not call Ronnies "nerve damage" by its real name..,,namely a microstroke. Victors father is o doctor, and Vic has read psychology, and is an educated/informad person overall, so I think he could very well be bullseye on this one. Ronnie also seems to sludder quite a bit whenever he tries to talk, wich concurrs with the above.
Why bring up Victor Richards?
Why not just state that it could be a microstroke, and then explaining what a microstroke is.
Who cares if Vic read psychology / is an educated / informed person overall?
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Why bring up Victor Richards?
Why not just state that it could be a microstroke, and then explaining what a microstroke is.
Who cares if Vic read psychology / is an educated / informed person overall?
Why not he is a bodybuilder!
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i think it is simply from training too long.
little injuries lead to it i think.
Not training too long. Its the constant pounding on the body that he went through. Ignoring pains in the neck and low back. He is probably experiencing neurogenic atrophy. Want a great example of what this looks like? Look up pics of the wrestler Paul Orndorph and his right arm.
The amount of shit Ronnie is/was on allows him to keep more muscle. I do not think all his problems are due to the dreaded Palumboism disease
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i thought palumboism was just a combination of the hgh insuline gut and atrophy in the limbs brought on by mysterious neural factors
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A guy down the block has that. His one arm, delt and trap on one side is atrophied. He said it was from nerve damage. He is in his late 40's and has been lifting weights for his whole life.
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like colemans shrinking arm, it has now also affected dexter
is it just from training for too long?
inevitable?
. Training for too long causes wear and tear, that leads to injuries... Working out around injuries sooner or later will lead you to nerve damage ... Atrophy to muscles.
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When Victor Richard was on RX radio he said; why not call Ronnies "nerve damage" by its real name..,,namely a microstroke. Victors father is o doctor, and Vic has read psychology, and is an educated/informad person overall, so I think he could very well be bullseye on this one. Ronnie also seems to sludder quite a bit whenever he tries to talk, wich concurrs with the above.
Do you mean a TIA aka mini-stroke?
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Do you mean a TIA aka mini-stroke?
possible i just copy plastered this from another forum
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always training heavy, beyond functional strength was never meant for the human body.
most athletes who does strength and conditioning year in and year out doesn't ever encounter this problem. even older athletes. it's because they train for function, not as heavy as possible every single workout.
bodybuilders basically does everything wrong and bad for their bodies. Lot's of heavy machine workouts, low reps, very high protein diet etc. this shit was just put in place by the bodybuilding supplement industry to make more money and sell equipment. some people fail to see what most industries are willing to do and say to extract more money out of their customers.
the best thing I ever done is to work out with mostly dumbbells and higher reps and never worry about protein. I probably get no more than 100g per day at the most.
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possible i just copy plastered this from another forum
Understood, then that wouldn't fit, unless the person had paralysis, then that wouldn't even be a TIA. TIA symptoms resolve.
Possibly injury to a joint preventing training of that muscle group? Could be nerve damage or perhaps ones body being in a catabolic state leading to muscle wasting in the limbs? Kovacs, Palumbo etc...
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whats a bit worrysome,is my left biceps i cant flex properly anymore since some while.
same for other areas.
i guess this is how it starts.
most shocking was one time after something went wrong on benchpress, i couldnt flex my left chest and left traps at all, it was as if theyre not there.
not sure whatg it is, but even longer recovery times dont seem to help.
maybe half year off training would fix this, i know when i go off everything, diet and training aND All, i come back and everything feels fresh and feel the muscles better.
Could be, but be aware that for the most part it could have always been more prone to that.
My left side doesn't feel as responsive as my right though it's stronger and faster.
My left leg is thinner and has always been like that, one of the reasons is that it's longer.
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a lot of people are stronger at left hand bicep curls even tho they're right handed
mysteries of life
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Nerve damage from lifting is real. I trained for bodybuilding and powerlifting meets for around 25 years. I am now 39 and only casually lift anymore. Kids, work, house etc. I always trained heavy... 6 rep failures were my weapon of choice even while dieting. Had local success at bodybuilding, but national success in powerlifting.
Did one cycle in my life at 17 and realized the amount of drugs needed for bodybuilding success, and switched to powerlifting and natural bodybuilding... still always lifted heavy...and now...
(Sorry for the long set up) I have tingling hands/forearms feet/lower legs. I been through every test there is for illness, deficiencies, you name it. All normal. Neurologist blame neck and lower back nerve damage from the years of lifting. In my case no atrophy yet... more of a constant inconvienience. Like permanent carpel tunnel.
I still function ok just use Tylenol when I have a really rough day. Moral of the story is even with competitive success, heavy lifting (I mean correct lifting too not cheats etc) is not good for you long term. In case if I had continued drug use along with my style of lifting... I prolly would be all shriveled and hurting even worse.
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Nerve damage from lifting is real. I trained for bodybuilding and powerlifting meets for around 25 years. I am now 39 and only casually lift anymore. Kids, work, house etc. I always trained heavy... 6 rep failures were my weapon of choice even while dieting. Had local success at bodybuilding, but national success in powerlifting.
Did one cycle in my life at 17 and realized the amount of drugs needed for bodybuilding success, and switched to powerlifting and natural bodybuilding... still always lifted heavy...and now...
(Sorry for the long set up) I have tingling hands/forearms feet/lower legs. I been through every test there is for illness, deficiencies, you name it. All normal. Neurologist blame neck and lower back nerve damage from the years of lifting. In my case no atrophy yet... more of a constant inconvienience. Like permanent carpel tunnel.
I still function ok just use Tylenol when I have a really rough day. Moral of the story is even with competitive success, heavy lifting (I mean correct lifting too not cheats etc) is not good for you long term. In case if I had continued drug use along with my style of lifting... I prolly would be all shriveled and hurting even worse.
Agree 100% with this, and galeniko.
I had the same thing...lots of powerlifting led to a neck problem (from bridging on the bench press), which caused some nerve damage to the right side shoulder internal and external rotators. Next thing you know, my shoulder is unstable, then it gets hurt because it's unstable because my rotators couldn't fire properly. It was just 100lb dumbell warm-ups, but they did me in. I tried like crazy to rehab it, strengthen rotators, build it back up...nothing. I'd do 30 minutes of activation, foam rolling, stretching, all kinds of crazy stuff...nothing. I was spending more time warming up than I was lifting. It was getting stupid and out of control. I just looked at myself one day and said..."what the fuck are you doing?". I'm not going to win a national meet, and even if I did, I'd probably permantely fuck myself up doing it. I just don't have the genetics, but I suspect most don't.
I can't go above a certain weight when lifting now. Too risky.
Now I lift like a girl, I'm slowly building up my right side to get better symmetry with the left side, and it's working slowly but surely, but it'll never come back. I live with what I've done to my body every time I look in the mirror. But I will never powerlift again. I missed it a lot at first. But now it's fading away, and I'm moving on to other things. Lots of reps, light weights...the body actually looks a lot better. I'm way weaker, but I actually LOOK stronger, to the average person.
Honestly...heavy weights are stupid. Unless you just want to lift for a few years, get good, then give it all up. But if you want to lift long-term, you should really try to lay off the heavy weights. The risk is not worth the reward.
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It is not normal to lie on a bench and squeeze yourself between it and a 300 pound barbell week after week.
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When Victor Richard was on RX radio he said; why not call Ronnies "nerve damage" by its real name..,,namely a microstroke. Victors father is o doctor, and Vic has read psychology, and is an educated/informad person overall, so I think he could very well be bullseye on this one. Ronnie also seems to sludder quite a bit whenever he tries to talk, wich concurrs with the above.
you mean studder interesting point though.
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you mean studder interesting point though.
ah, yes, "studder".... very helpful. thanks.
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:(
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looking forward to his 2013 comeback. philsulina and kaj better watch out.
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if you look at a lot of people, you can see imbalances from one side of their body to the other. Faces aren't symmetrical on one side. I've seen girls with boobs that weren't quite identical.
Now, you inject a person with minor imbalances with enough growth hormone - you're growing bone, muscle, goodness knows what else... then you diet this person down and prance them around nekkid in posing trunks... you're going to see inconsistencies in development.
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The fact is , if he was still in good shape and able to compete he would have been in this show, especially for $75,000.
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To hell in a handbasket in a New York minute.
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i am 100% certain Ronnie used a lot of synthol back in the day.
As for the nerve damage the drugs and heavy training, the human body isn't designed to tolerate either for sustained periods.
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The fact is , if he was still in good shape and able to compete he would have been in this show, especially for $75,000.
He would also be a BSN athlete and have all his cars at his house.....
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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if you look at a lot of people, you can see imbalances from one side of their body to the other. Faces aren't symmetrical on one side. I've seen girls with boobs that weren't quite identical.
Now, you inject a person with minor imbalances with enough growth hormone - you're growing bone, muscle, goodness knows what else... then you diet this person down and prance them around nekkid in posing trunks... you're going to see inconsistencies in development.
You should be a lawyer.
I'm starting to like Ronnie's current "shape"
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=451057.0;attach=495718;image)
Oh Boy .
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Would you rather have arms like 48-yo Ronnie or Big Dan Hill?
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Before
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After
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I would bet in some cases, nerve trauma from the constant injection of small bodyparts is what leads to the disappearance of calves, bis etc
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I would bet in some cases, nerve trauma from the constant injection of small bodyparts is what leads to the disappearance of calves, bis etc
Imagine the amount of needles Coleman stuck into his body.
probably 10 a day, 3650 a year, *20 years = 73000 injections. At least this much.
Insulin about 3-4 times a day, Gh about 3-4 times a day, winny twice a day, tren, test, equ, etc.... Insane.
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I have permanent neck nerve damage from 3 slipped discs and severe spinal stenosis(spinal cord constriction at the neck) and what is going on with Ronnie and Paloboism(the atrophied limbs portion) in general is indeed nerve damage. Ive noticed atrophy in my shoulders and one arm as well as definite strength decreases in my upper body movements. Nothing has changed over the years with the exception of the nerve damage and spinal cord bruising which was verified on an MRI. Pay attention to your body. When you get those tingling hands and numbness, that's not good, your body is telling you something. I had my neck fused and need a posterior laminectomy(bone removal on backside of neck) so the spinal cord has some room. All this can be attributed to 20 plus years of over the top heavy training.
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always training heavy, beyond functional strength was never meant for the human body.
most athletes who does strength and conditioning year in and year out doesn't ever encounter this problem. even older athletes. it's because they train for function, not as heavy as possible every single workout.
bodybuilders basically does everything wrong and bad for their bodies. Lot's of heavy machine workouts, low reps, very high protein diet etc. this shit was just put in place by the bodybuilding supplement industry to make more money and sell equipment. some people fail to see what most industries are willing to do and say to extract more money out of their customers.
the best thing I ever done is to work out with mostly dumbbells and higher reps and never worry about protein. I probably get no more than 100g per day at the most.
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Depends on how much muscle pain you have after your workouts, or what they call "Delayed onset muscle soreness" (D.O.M.S). I was barely getting 150g and my weight is 230lb at 6ft, so I was going thru hell. I found out the hard way I needed more eggs and shakes, and supplemental glutamine. Now, I can work out with less than a third of the soreness.
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Its from years of heavy lifting, I have had disc replacement and nerve damage. My discs were reduced in height due to firstly compression injuries from Rugby, then years of heavy lifting. Before teh surgery I lost my right side from the nerve being clamp from vertebrae, where the disc height had been worn down, this effected my whole right side much in the way Ronnie left side has gone, four years on, its still not corrected, it did improve, but I would never be able to grow evenly again, real issue with my back as uneven lat mass can cause spinal issue due to the lack off evenness. I notice the symptoms in so many bodybuilders Jays going that way as well, first thing to go is the triceps, its a bitch and theres no coming back from it.
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A guy down the block has that. His one arm, delt and trap on one side is atrophied. He said it was from nerve damage. He is in his late 40's and has been lifting weights for his whole life.
I know a guy in his early 40's at my gym who's muscles started to atrophy quite noticeably in the span of 1 year. All those years of heavy lifting, it's like something in the body sad enough is enough. First it was his forearms, then his upper arms, then legs. He's a smaller version of his former muscular self.
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Looks like most everyone on this thread suffers from poor genetics given all the permanent injuries. :-\
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Oh Boy .
As a former Mr Olympia, I would be embarrassed to be in front of people looking like that. I'd be pulling the Tom Prince look, wearing double shirts, baggy pants, etc.
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Looks like most everyone on this thread suffers from poor genetics given all the permanent injuries. :-\
You definitely suffer from it given your face, height, bone structure, etc. :-\
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Thoracic outlet syndrome.
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You definitely suffer from it given your face, height, bone structure, etc. :-\
Wrong.
You look awful and are nothing but an injured mess. I hope this helps.
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Wrong.
You look awful and are nothing but an injured mess. I hope this helps.
The proof, as they say, is in the pudding... or in this case in the numerous pictures of yourself that you have kindly provided. I support you and your jezebel in your decision not to procreate.
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The proof, as they say, is in the pudding... or in this case in the numerous pictures of yourself that you have kindly provided. I support you and your jezebel in your decision not to procreate.
You have one of the worst physiques on the board. What is your excuse for this travesty?
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great, I have 2 blown discs and nerve entrapment in my shoulder that makes it hard to flex my left arm.
So by the time I'm 50 apparently I'll have 12" arms and a 48" gut no matter how many drugs I take. :-\
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Why is everyone so broken down?
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You have one of the worst physiques on the board. What is your excuse for this travesty?
is it true you spent eons underground, in thrall to a ring of power?
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Micro Stroke?
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Thoracic outlet syndrome.
I think youre on to something here.
My "theory" has always been that this was a result of some form of entrapment neuropathy leading to this. Would love to hear some other docs weigh in on this.
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Its from years of heavy lifting, I have had disc replacement and nerve damage. My discs were reduced in height due to firstly compression injuries from Rugby, then years of heavy lifting. Before teh surgery I lost my right side from the nerve being clamp from vertebrae, where the disc height had been worn down, this effected my whole right side much in the way Ronnie left side has gone, four years on, its still not corrected, it did improve, but I would never be able to grow evenly again, real issue with my back as uneven lat mass can cause spinal issue due to the lack off evenness. I notice the symptoms in so many bodybuilders Jays going that way as well, first thing to go is the triceps, its a bitch and theres no coming back from it.
were you weaker in your right side? did you have a hard time feeling the muscle?
i've wondered for a long time now if this is something i'm afflicted with. how does one go about identifying "nerve damage" through a doctor?
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weakness followed by severe atrophy, firstly go to your doctor, tell him your symptoms, get him to recommend a specialist, specialist will get you to undergo an MRI, from which you will be able to see if your disc injury is severe, badly pinched discs can also cause nerve damage, but usually this can be corrected. My injury like Ronnies was left to late, once the nerve has been impeded for a long period of time,total recovery wont happen, best advice is to get diagnosed as soon as you can and if you need surgery dont put it off.
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I wouldn't be surpised if I developed Multiple Sclerosis (which is a degenerative nerve disorder) from throwing ungodly weights around the gym, squatting ATG 20 reps, and throwing up halfway, and still posting on the G&O in between it all, to be honest
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I had to stop upright row because of left shoulder pain, and after the pain i left sensation in two of my finger in the left hand, and noticeable atrophy on my left upper body.
now it's better but at a time my left upper body was at least 50 % less bigger.
i've got horrible pain in the medium portion of my left traps.
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if you look at a lot of people, you can see imbalances from one side of their body to the other. Faces aren't symmetrical on one side. I've seen girls with boobs that weren't quite identical.
Now, you inject a person with minor imbalances with enough growth hormone - you're growing bone, muscle, goodness knows what else... then you diet this person down and prance them around nekkid in posing trunks... you're going to see inconsistencies in development.
missing a "no homo" disclaimer on this one
no homo
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I think youre on to something here.
My "theory" has always been that this was a result of some form of entrapment neuropathy leading to this. Would love to hear some other docs weigh in on this.
I'm not a doc, but I do have experience with dealing with TOS. I've asked several docs, and in my experience they've initially identified it as carpal tunnel after running me through the 3 or 4 basic test, which did identify a nerve issue. I was pretty sure it wasn't so I looked further. I didn't get to a good ortho (been waiting 6 months) so I did a lot of research, read a lot of boards, and listened to my body and things have been progressing.
Effective stretching, some nerve flossing and trigger point therapy, particularly at the pec/delt insertion and the general area below the anterior delt.(basically the thoracic outlet area) is working for me and I'm getting full feeling to the tips of all my fingers. Overhead movements aggravate the problem; general movements involving the arms can exacerbate the issue over time if not identified and resolved early enough. I'm certain the problem originates in the chest shoulder area with nerves becoming restricted within soft tissue. Those are just some of my observations.
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I'm not a doc, but I do have experience with dealing with TOS. I've asked several docs, and in my experience they've initially identified it as carpal tunnel after running me through the 3 or 4 basic test, which did identify a nerve issue. I was pretty sure it wasn't so I looked further. I didn't get to a good ortho (been waiting 6 months) so I did a lot of research, read a lot of boards, and listened to my body and things have been progressing.
Effective stretching, some nerve flossing and trigger point therapy, particularly at the pec/delt insertion and the general area below the anterior delt.(basically the thoracic outlet area) is working for me and I'm getting full feeling to the tips of all my fingers. Overhead movements aggravate the problem; general movements involving the arms can exacerbate the issue over time if not identified and resolved early enough. I'm certain the problem originates in the chest shoulder area with nerves becoming restricted within soft tissue. Those are just some of my observations.
This makes sense. Since I've been diagnosed, my fingers on my left hand go completely. Numb if I raise my arm above shoulder level (laterally) for more than aa few seconds. In my case it's because the myelin insulation covering my nerves in damaged, but the outcome would be similar to carpal tunnel, in that certain movements restrict signals and cause loss of sensation...
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Thoracic outlet syndrome.
Here is a simple test.
Check your radial pulse with your arm at your side relaxed. Then again: Arm bent like DB press start position and finish position. Then again with arms outstretched like lateral raise only with elbow straight.
See if you lose your pulse or get numbness/tingle in fingers.
Many have this due to pectoral muscle or small space between 1st and second rib.
There is more to it, but that is a very accurate simple test.
Hope this helps.