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Title: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 11, 2012, 03:05:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_F3oev06i0


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 03:20:27 PM
I am all for hand guns for this reason.

talk yes

freedom to assault people no way


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 11, 2012, 04:05:40 PM
I guess they want to ruin that state even further.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: War-Horse on December 11, 2012, 04:15:45 PM
I shouldnt laugh when old guys throw haymaker punches but i do... ;D

Probably threw his back out and trying to hide it.

The youtube guy is an antagonizer im sure.  He waits to film at the last moments..


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 11, 2012, 07:07:09 PM
I shouldnt laugh when old guys throw haymaker punches but i do... ;D

Probably threw his back out and trying to hide it.

The youtube guy is an antagonizer im sure.  He waits to film at the last moments..

So, you're going to sit there and actually tell me unions didn't ruin that state the same way they're ruining the country? Hahahahahahahahaha!


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: tonymctones on December 11, 2012, 07:13:55 PM
I shouldnt laugh when old guys throw haymaker punches but i do... ;D

Probably threw his back out and trying to hide it.

The youtube guy is an antagonizer im sure.  He waits to film at the last moments..
yup that makes it all ok...


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: OzmO on December 11, 2012, 07:22:27 PM
Unions have certainly gotten too powerful, but i would hate to think what it would be like without them.

1920


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: WOOO on December 11, 2012, 07:35:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_F3oev06i0


more guns, lower taxes and a white president would have prevented this....

american'ts


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: CARTEL on December 11, 2012, 07:43:12 PM
These guys are obviously Tea-Partiers.

Unions don't act like that.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: War-Horse on December 13, 2012, 11:39:52 AM
So, you're going to sit there and actually tell me unions didn't ruin that state the same way they're ruining the country? Hahahahahahahahaha!


If unions hadnt been setup. Then youd be training a pre-teen softball team 13 hrs a day for no money.......oh wait thats what you do anyway.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 13, 2012, 11:41:52 AM

If unions hadnt been setup. Then youd be training a pre-teen softball team 13 hrs a day for no money.......oh wait thats what you do anyway.

What the hell are you talking about? ???


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: War-Horse on December 13, 2012, 11:43:05 AM
What the hell are you talking about? ???


Your sad work conditions. :'(


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 13, 2012, 11:55:16 AM

Your sad work conditions. :'(

What about my work conditions? I'm considered an outside contractor. I'm not part of a teachers union but, along with my staff, had to do all of the required paper work to coach on campus. I get paid through boosters. Between baseball and football we get an agreed rate per athlete. We train approximately 160 athletes an average of three times per week for just one school.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Necrosis on December 13, 2012, 11:56:01 AM
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/tea-partiers-stage-fake-union-thug-ev

ya 33


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Straw Man on December 13, 2012, 12:00:35 PM
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/tea-partiers-stage-fake-union-thug-ev

ya 33


yep, also funny how 333 was constantly suggesting violence was an appropriate response to people who didn't vote the way he liked yet he's the first one to post this nonsense and piss and moan about "thugs"


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 13, 2012, 12:05:08 PM
yep, also funny how 333 was constantly suggesting violence was an appropriate response to people who didn't vote the way he liked yet he's the first one to post this nonsense and piss and moan about "thugs"

So Jimmy Hoffa was a hoax? Jesus, put up a link and you think thats the be all to end all ::) Are you trying to say the Union idiots don't try to intimidate? Fuck em'. What the hell do you think "right to work" means anyway??


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: War-Horse on December 13, 2012, 12:07:41 PM
What about my work conditions? I'm considered an outside contractor. I'm not part of a teachers union but, along with my staff, had to do all of the required paper work to coach on campus. I get paid through boosters. Between baseball and football we get an agreed rate per athlete. We train approximately 160 athletes an average of three times per week for just one school.


LOL.  My point is that without unions from the 1930's we'd still have low wages and long hours......and this means the middle class wouldnt have been the consumers they needed to be to grow the economy and contibute to other business's success.......ie: going out to eat, buying TV's...etc


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: War-Horse on December 13, 2012, 12:11:00 PM
So Jimmy Hoffa was a hoax? Jesus, put up a link and you think thats the be all to end all ::) Are you trying to say the Union idiots don't try to intimidate? Fuck em'. What the hell do you think "right to work" means anyway??

Coach, did a dumbell fall on your head??   Hes not saying that there isnt violence in a union.  Hes noting the 2 faced approach of 33333 lack of character......


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: magikusar on December 13, 2012, 12:11:46 PM

LOL.  My point is that without unions from the 1930's we'd still have low wages and long hours......and this means the middle class wouldnt have been the consumers they needed to be to grow the economy and contibute to other business's success.......ie: going out to eat, buying TV's...etc

wrong

unions hurt wages by wanting people t not get educated and get paid over market

unions did not make wages rise

witness henry ford

wags rise when productivity of worker rises due to capital accumulation

read some basic austrain economics, which is economics, and put down the political science aka keynes bs

if you still read marx, ive got bad news


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: War-Horse on December 13, 2012, 12:21:52 PM
wrong

unions hurt wages by wanting people t not get educated and get paid over market

unions did not make wages rise

witness henry ford

wags rise when productivity of worker rises due to capital accumulation

read some basic austrain economics, which is economics, and put down the political science aka keynes bs

if you still read marx, ive got bad news


Henry fords productivity and sales skyrocketed after 1941 when the union was accepted.   I have many books on Henry Ford. He was a genius.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Straw Man on December 13, 2012, 03:31:36 PM
Who would have ever guessed that Fox News would lie to it's viewers?

We know there are profoundly stupid people in the teabag party, some of whom have apparently dedicated their life to posting lies on this board so I don't really expect honestly or even intelligence from them but come on ...... Fox News I expected better from you

Quote
"Unfortunately for Mr. Crowder, a look at the video broadcast on the Sean Hannity show appears to show quite clearly that he left out an important section of the footage when he put together his edit. A section of the Fox News broadcast preserved by the Web site Mediaite shows that Mr. Hannity’s producers at Fox News started the clip five seconds earlier than Mr. Crowder did. What the extra footage reveals is the man who punched Mr. Crowder being knocked to the ground seconds before and then getting up and taking a swing at the comedian."

http://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/3008/update_questions_raised_on_fox_news_contributor_steve_crowder_s_lansing_fight_video


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 13, 2012, 03:33:19 PM
Who would have ever guessed that Fox News would lie to it's viewers?

We know there are profoundly stupid people in the teabag party, some of whom have apparently dedicated their life to posting lies on this board so I don't really expect honestly or even intelligence from them but come on ...... Fox News I expected better from you

http://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/3008/update_questions_raised_on_fox_news_contributor_steve_crowder_s_lansing_fight_video

did crowder put the guy on the ground.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Straw Man on December 13, 2012, 03:36:49 PM
did crowder put the guy on the ground.

does Crowder (a comedian) have a history of doing shit like this

was the tearing down of the tent phony

did Fox news edit and lie

and on and on it goes

if someone incites violence and then complains about it he is a world class pussy and so are the people who promote it


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 13, 2012, 03:39:01 PM
does Crowder (a comedian) have a history of doing shit like this

was the tearing down of the tent phony

did Fox news edit and lie

and on and on it goes

if someone incites violence and then complains about it he is a world class pussy and so are the people who promote it

Did other networks report it? CNN, MSNBC, etc? if so, what version of a video did they edit?


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Straw Man on December 13, 2012, 03:53:27 PM
Did other networks report it? CNN, MSNBC, etc? if so, what version of a video did they edit?

If Crowder was truly assaulted then we know, being the pathetic attention whore that he is, that he will press charges

If he doesn't press charges then we know he is a fraud, pussy and pathetic liar......not that any of those things would disqualify him from being on FAUX NEWS.

someone has got to keep the right dumb and scared and he's obviously the man for the job


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Straw Man on December 13, 2012, 03:53:59 PM
did crowder put the guy on the ground.

he doesn't deny it

http://www.newshounds.us/steven_crowder_doesn_t_deny_pushing_to_the_ground_the_man_who_later_punched_him_12122012


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 13, 2012, 04:00:58 PM
he doesn't deny it

http://www.newshounds.us/steven_crowder_doesn_t_deny_pushing_to_the_ground_the_man_who_later_punched_him_12122012

If Crowder shoved the guy to the ground - then he should have gotten punched, dont disagree. 


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Straw Man on December 13, 2012, 04:04:19 PM
If Crowder shoved the guy to the ground - then he should have gotten punched, dont disagree.  

now all that's left is for you to condemn both Crowder and Faux News for being frauds and liars and then of course apologize to the board for posting yet another lie or at the very least for being too lazy to find out the truth before posting


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: tbombz on December 14, 2012, 12:04:41 AM
Whether unions have more of a positive or more of a negative effect on economics,  the mechanism required to limit unions is the destroying of feedom itself.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: whork on December 14, 2012, 08:07:55 AM
Isnt banning unions= unconstitutional and a human rights issue.

The freedom to unite isnt that a personal freedom?


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: War-Horse on December 14, 2012, 09:25:29 AM
Ive lost count how many threads 33333 has started that have turned out to be bullshit 1/2 storys.  Almost every thread ends with his getting owned as a liar representing liars.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: MCWAY on December 14, 2012, 10:10:51 AM
did crowder put the guy on the ground.

NO!

Crowder had his back turned, when the guy hit the ground. That guy got up and started swinging at Crowder.

Furthermore, Hannity didn't leave that part out. He showed that video multiple times, with that part being on the broadcast.

Then, there's the matter of the black hot dog vendor, who got his stuff destroyed and called racial slurs. Let's see the left try and justify THAT ONE.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: War-Horse on December 14, 2012, 10:13:05 AM
NO!

Crowder had his back turned, when the guy hit the ground. That guy got up and started swinging at Crowder.

Furthermore, Hannity didn't leave that part out. He showed that video multiple times, with that part being on the broadcast.

Then, there's the matter of the black hot dog vendor, who got his stuff destroyed and called racial slurs. Let's see the left try and justify THAT ONE.


Settle down gloria.  Watch some more of the youtube videos (of the antagonizer) and see what the pattern is.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: MCWAY on December 14, 2012, 10:14:19 AM

Settle down gloria.  Watch some more of the youtube videos (of the antagonizer) and see what the pattern is.

Explain what happened to the hot dog vendor.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: War-Horse on December 14, 2012, 10:15:33 AM
Explain what happened to the hot dog vendor.

Not interested.  I know that rascism exists. Have a nice day.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: MCWAY on December 14, 2012, 10:19:03 AM
Not interested.  I know that rascism exists. Have a nice day.

What a shocker.  ::)

And, it appears you're not interested in the guy who grabs the back of Crowder's jacket and tries to yank him to the ground, AFTER the altercation with the first dude, who hit Crowder in the mouth.

If Crowder was truly assaulted then we know, being the pathetic attention whore that he is, that he will press charges

If he doesn't press charges then we know he is a fraud, pussy and pathetic liar......not that any of those things would disqualify him from being on FAUX NEWS.

someone has got to keep the right dumb and scared and he's obviously the man for the job

So, by that logic, if I punch you in the mouth and crack your grill and you press charges, you're an attention whore. ::)

Besides, Crowder stated that he will press charges, unless that guy meets him in a one-on-one fight, with the winner, getting the charity of his choice a nice donation at the loser's expense.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: MCWAY on December 14, 2012, 10:26:03 AM
Isnt banning unions= unconstitutional and a human rights issue.

The freedom to unite isnt that a personal freedom?

Unions aren't being banned. Forcing people to join them (and pay dues) IS.

If unions were so great, people would be lining up to be a part of them, NOT fleeing them in droves.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: whork on December 14, 2012, 10:45:44 AM
Unions aren't being banned. Forcing people to join them (and pay dues) IS.

If unions were so great, people would be lining up to be a part of them, NOT fleeing them in droves.

So people are forced to join a union now? By law?



Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: MCWAY on December 14, 2012, 10:47:44 AM
So people are forced to join a union now? By law?



The right-to-work law says you CANNOT force someone to join a union and pay due, as a condition of employment.



Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Necrosis on December 14, 2012, 10:49:56 AM
The right-to-work law says you CANNOT force someone to join a union and pay due, as a condition of employment.



ya and you get the benefits of unions without paying. Also, right to work states are worse off everytime this legislation or similar legislation passes.

What valid arguement can you make for it?


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: whork on December 14, 2012, 10:55:21 AM
The right-to-work law says you CANNOT force someone to join a union and pay due, as a condition of employment.



Sounds cool.

So the politicians in the state is concerned about civil rights here.
I dont trust government and i know you dont either.

There is some other motives behind this, wouldnt you agree?


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: MCWAY on December 14, 2012, 11:02:27 AM
ya and you get the benefits of unions without paying. Also, right to work states are worse off everytime this legislation or similar legislation passes.

What valid arguement can you make for it?

Worse off? Hardly!!


Try employees in right-to-work (RTW) states having up to $4300 more in purchasing power and the top 5 states (in terms of low unemployment) being RTW states, with the state highest in unemployment being forced union states.

History shows that Michigan's citizens will soon be saying that the state's new "Right to Work" law is "a good thing for Michigan," National Right to Work Pres. Mark Mix explains.....


"Indiana, I believe, has led the nation in new private sector job growth since they passed the Right to Work law in February. The economic development department out in Indiana has indicated there have been 90 new deals of companies that have come and said 'we're interested - now that you're in a Right to Work state - to either expand or relocate in your state.' So, it has had a dramatic impact on the economic activity in the state of Indiana."

Mix notes that workers in Right to Work states not only tend to have as much as $4,300 more purchasing power, but also are more likely to have health insurance:

"And if you look at the other 22 Right to Work states, you find when it relates to private sector job growth, when it relates to increase in private sector per-capita purchasing power, or adjusted for cost of living, you find those states are doing much better.

"So, there's lots of data out there that talks about this, including a study from the George Mason Department of Economics. They did a study when, adjusting wages for cost of living, they found workers in Right to Work states have about $2,300 more to spend than workers in forced-unionism states.

"Dr. Barry Poulsen, from the University of Colorado, did a study using a similar study about cost of living. He found that there was a $4,300 advantage in Right to Work states for purchasing power for workers who were in Right to Work states versus states that allowed forced unionism."

"In fact, the percentage of workers covered by healthcare increase dramatically in Right to Work states and decrease in states that don't have Right to Work."

"So the metrics are out there. But most importantly, this is about individual freedom in the workplace."

Studies show that Right to Work states also have lower unemployment due to their more business-friendly environment, Mix says:

"Looking at the Bureau of Census data, and looking at the Bureau of Economic Analysis data, and then looking at some regional think-tanks and economic forecasting statistical aggregators, we find this data.

"It's pretty straight forward. In The Washington Times today (Tuesday), actually, there's a chart where it talks about the lowest states with unemployment. The top five states with the lowest unemployment are Right to Work states. The bottom five are forced-unionism states.

"In the standpoint of places to do business, CNBC ranks the states on the business climate. The top five are Right to Work states, the bottom are non-Right to Work states.



http://cnsnews.com/node/618195

Heck, the auto industry is going south.....LITERALLY, as more car companies are moving to southern right-to-work states.




Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: MCWAY on December 14, 2012, 11:05:52 AM
Sounds cool.

So the politicians in the state is concerned about civil rights here.
I dont trust government and i know you dont either.

There is some other motives behind this, wouldnt you agree?

The motives are obvious: Companies want to save money and employees want to be able to work, without their due going to politicians/causes they don't like.

If unions get out of hand, they want the option of getting non-union workers to continue business.

Obama and the Dems call it "right to work for less". In a way, they're right. But, if a company is struggling and an employees is willing to take a pay cut or fewer hours, to avoid getting whacked altogether, that should be that employee's call, not that of a union.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: whork on December 14, 2012, 11:09:58 AM
The motives are obvious: Companies want to save money and employees want to be able to work, without their due going to politicians/causes they don't like.

If unions get out of hand, they want the option of getting non-union workers to continue business.

Obama and the Dems call it "right to work for less". In a way, they're right. But, if a company is struggling and an employees is willing to take a pay cut or fewer hours, to avoid getting whacked altogether, that should be that employee's call, not that of a union.

What do you mean by "unions getting out of hand" ?


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: War-Horse on December 14, 2012, 11:24:17 AM
So people are forced to join a union now? By law?



No.  Very few jobs in america have labor unions. Most are free-enterprise and set their own standards for wages/benefits. Also only a minor amount of states are "Right to work" states. I think 12 out of 50.
 And their results are not doing as good as mcway has posted.  See link:

http://www.miafscme.org/RTW_overview.htm


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: MCWAY on December 14, 2012, 11:28:23 AM
No.  Very few jobs in america have labor unions. Most are free-enterprise and set their own standards for wages/benefits. Also only a minor amount of states are "Right to work" states. I think 12 out of 50.
 And their results are not doing as good as mcway has posted.  See link:

http://www.miafscme.org/RTW_overview.htm

Michigan just became the 24th state to become "right-to-work". That's just under HALF, hardly a minor amount of states.

You used a link from union site; I used one, citing a RTW official. So, that's a wash. It's all about, in the end, the unemployment numbers, wages, benefits, and costs of living.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: War-Horse on December 14, 2012, 11:37:22 AM
Michigan just became the 24th state to become "right-to-work". That's just under HALF, hardly a minor amount of states.

You used a link from union site; I used one, citing a RTW official. So, that's a wash. It's all about, in the end, the unemployment numbers, wages, benefits, and costs of living.


Yes. I agree. And if im allowed to increase company profits....one way to do that is to lower payroll wages. If im the boss and answer to no one whos to stop me?
  Ill say "Hey Mcway, My shareholders want some dividends this quarter so your going to take a paycut. You can take it or leave it and ill hire someone from this pile of applications i have on my desk"


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: MCWAY on December 14, 2012, 11:41:48 AM

Yes. I agree. And if im allowed to increase company profits....one way to do that is to lower payroll wages. If im the boss and answer to no one whos to stop me?
  Ill say "Hey Mcway, My shareholders want some dividends this quarter so your going to take a paycut. You can take it or leave it and ill hire someone from this pile of applications i have on my desk"

Yet, if that keeps up, then I go to a competitor who will pay me more. Word-of-mouth advertising still works well. When it gets out that a certain competitor of your former boss is paying more for doing the same job, it's exodus time.

Besides, happy employees tend to be productive ones. I've never had my wages cut, when a company was doing well. In fact, I got quite a nice Christmas bonus, when one place where I worked did excellent that particular quarter.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: War-Horse on December 14, 2012, 11:49:01 AM
Yet, if that keeps up, then I go to a competitor who will pay me more. Word-of-mouth advertising still works well. When it gets out that a certain competitor of your former boss is paying more for doing the same job, it's exodus time.

Besides, happy employees tend to be productive ones. I've never had my wages cut, when a company was doing well. In fact, I got quite a nice Christmas bonus, when one place where I worked did excellent that particular quarter.

Right now every company has a hundred applications on the desk. So you are expendable. Until it becomes a "Workers market" where theirs a shortage of workers...then wages will stay low.




Well, then you are depending on the niceness and compassion of upper management. Some like to have a back-up knowing they have a job to go to.


But yes. As an employer I see both sides.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: tbombz on December 14, 2012, 12:42:31 PM
Its the right of every employer to decide what jobs he offers, what wages he offers, and who he hires.    Its the right of every individual to decide how they spend their  money.     Its the right of every employee to decide what job they are willing to work, what wage they are willing to accept, and who they are willing to work for.  Its the right off all individuals to organize and campaign/negotiate for changes in the world they are fit. Whethe employers or employees both are humans with the right to freedom.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: MCWAY on December 14, 2012, 12:47:11 PM
Right now every company has a hundred applications on the desk. So you are expendable. Until it becomes a "Workers market" where theirs a shortage of workers...then wages will stay low.




Well, then you are depending on the niceness and compassion of upper management. Some like to have a back-up knowing they have a job to go to.


But yes. As an employer I see both sides.

I see both sides, but not as an employer. I've been in mid/upper management and dealt with the contracts of certain employees. The amount of money the company has determined if those contracts get renewed and/or upgraded vs. their being reduced or terminated.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Necrosis on December 15, 2012, 05:46:44 AM
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/41332_Another_Breitbart_Fake_Outrage_Bites_the_Dust-_Crowder_Admits_He_Shoved_Union_Members


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Necrosis on December 15, 2012, 05:49:47 AM
Worse off? Hardly!!


Try employees in right-to-work (RTW) states having up to $4300 more in purchasing power and the top 5 states (in terms of low unemployment) being RTW states, with the state highest in unemployment being forced union states.

History shows that Michigan's citizens will soon be saying that the state's new "Right to Work" law is "a good thing for Michigan," National Right to Work Pres. Mark Mix explains.....


"Indiana, I believe, has led the nation in new private sector job growth since they passed the Right to Work law in February. The economic development department out in Indiana has indicated there have been 90 new deals of companies that have come and said 'we're interested - now that you're in a Right to Work state - to either expand or relocate in your state.' So, it has had a dramatic impact on the economic activity in the state of Indiana."

Mix notes that workers in Right to Work states not only tend to have as much as $4,300 more purchasing power, but also are more likely to have health insurance:

"And if you look at the other 22 Right to Work states, you find when it relates to private sector job growth, when it relates to increase in private sector per-capita purchasing power, or adjusted for cost of living, you find those states are doing much better.

"So, there's lots of data out there that talks about this, including a study from the George Mason Department of Economics. They did a study when, adjusting wages for cost of living, they found workers in Right to Work states have about $2,300 more to spend than workers in forced-unionism states.

"Dr. Barry Poulsen, from the University of Colorado, did a study using a similar study about cost of living. He found that there was a $4,300 advantage in Right to Work states for purchasing power for workers who were in Right to Work states versus states that allowed forced unionism."

"In fact, the percentage of workers covered by healthcare increase dramatically in Right to Work states and decrease in states that don't have Right to Work."

"So the metrics are out there. But most importantly, this is about individual freedom in the workplace."

Studies show that Right to Work states also have lower unemployment due to their more business-friendly environment, Mix says:

"Looking at the Bureau of Census data, and looking at the Bureau of Economic Analysis data, and then looking at some regional think-tanks and economic forecasting statistical aggregators, we find this data.

"It's pretty straight forward. In The Washington Times today (Tuesday), actually, there's a chart where it talks about the lowest states with unemployment. The top five states with the lowest unemployment are Right to Work states. The bottom five are forced-unionism states.

"In the standpoint of places to do business, CNBC ranks the states on the business climate. The top five are Right to Work states, the bottom are non-Right to Work states.



http://cnsnews.com/node/618195

Heck, the auto industry is going south.....LITERALLY, as more car companies are moving to southern right-to-work states.




why do you think they are moving south? wouldn't be lower costs due to lower wages.UE is lower because the wages are lower, more people can be hired, this isn't raising the standard of living. In fact it is lowering it.

Wages are lower in RTW, more accidents, poorer education, less benefits.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: tonymctones on December 15, 2012, 08:53:36 AM
why do you think they are moving south? wouldn't be lower costs due to lower wages.UE is lower because the wages are lower, more people can be hired, this isn't raising the standard of living. In fact it is lowering it.

Wages are lower in RTW, more accidents, poorer education, less benefits.
Cost of living is generally lower in areas you described as well I wonder of anyone has ever done a study taking into account cost of living?


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Necrosis on December 15, 2012, 10:51:37 AM
Cost of living is generally lower in areas you described as well I wonder of anyone has ever done a study taking into account cost of living?

not sure but we know that wages go down in those states so that is peripheral point. what it does indicate is that RTW states have lower wages, which makes sense.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: MCWAY on December 15, 2012, 05:53:39 PM
not sure but we know that wages go down in those states so that is peripheral point. what it does indicate is that RTW states have lower wages, which makes sense.

Wages go down. But, your dollar goes further in RTW states. That's why I mentioned the $4300 in purchasing power. Not to mention, many of these RTW states have NO STATE TAXES (i.e. Florida, Texas). So, more of that money is going in the pockets of the workers, instead of state governments' coffers.

That's why military members tend to either change their home of record to places like Texas or Florida, once they get stationed there. Or, if they are from those areas originally, they keep that state as their home of record. Even if they get stationed somewhere with high state taxes like Maryland or Connecticut, as long as a state like Texas or Florida is their home of record, their incomes aren't taxed at the rates of where their current duty stations are located.



Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: AbrahamG on December 15, 2012, 05:56:59 PM
I live in Michigan.  I hope when someone at a Ford, GM or Chrysler plant decides NOT to pay their dues and accept all the benefits that they are made an example of and beaten within an inch of their life or worse.  The only good republican is a DEAD republican.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: MCWAY on December 15, 2012, 05:58:05 PM
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/41332_Another_Breitbart_Fake_Outrage_Bites_the_Dust-_Crowder_Admits_He_Shoved_Union_Members

What bites the dust is this ridiculous claim. If the union members are destroying the tent, with people inside of them who could get injured, THEY (not Crowder) are the aggressors. The folks for Americans for Prosperity got the license/permit to be in that spot. Do these folks at "littlegreenfootballs" really expect for people to just stand by and let a tent, filled with equipment, collapse on them without trying to defend themselves from those destroying their property?

Those union goons have no business, trying to destroy their tent. And NONE OF THIS shows that Crowder shoved the guy that cracked him in the mouth.

Not to mention, there are the little matters of the guy who yanked Crowder to the ground AFTER that fight with the first union goon....AND the black hot dog vendor, who got his merchandise destroyed and called racial slurs.

What do the folks of "littlegreenfootballs" have to say about that?


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: tonymctones on December 15, 2012, 09:13:01 PM
not sure but we know that wages go down in those states so that is peripheral point. what it does indicate is that RTW states have lower wages, which makes sense.
do you really need it explained to you?

if the cost of living is lower then EVERYONE gets paid less regardless of union influence...

you get paid alot more to do the same job in San francisco as opposed to Houston b/c the cost of living is much lower in Houston.

Wow just fuking wow....


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Necrosis on December 16, 2012, 02:24:36 PM
do you really need it explained to you?

if the cost of living is lower then EVERYONE gets paid less regardless of union influence...

you get paid alot more to do the same job in San francisco as opposed to Houston b/c the cost of living is much lower in Houston.

Wow just fuking wow....


holy fuck, relative to before the legislation you ass monkey


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Radical Plato on December 16, 2012, 07:01:30 PM
UNIONS CREATE FAT LAZY RETARDS LIKE THE ONES SEEN IN THIS CLIP, they want to be overpaid for under working, they have ruined first world economies and are responsible for the rapid demise of the first world.  First World productivity is now fucked because of Unions, manufacturers and Business have taken their JOBS elsewhere because the ridiculous demands of UNIONS would have seen them go bankrupt otherwise.  It won't be long now until China is running things, thanks to these fat overpaid lazy Union Fuckups!


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Radical Plato on December 16, 2012, 07:04:46 PM
The right-to-work law says you CANNOT force someone to join a union and pay due, as a condition of employment.


NAIVE POST REPORTED!


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Radical Plato on December 16, 2012, 07:07:40 PM
Unions aren't being banned. Forcing people to join them (and pay dues) IS.

If unions were so great, people would be lining up to be a part of them, NOT fleeing them in droves.
Hear, Hear - If Unions weren't infiltrated by Mobsters and Thugs and actually benefited workers, people would be fighting each other to sign up, but any organisation that uses stand over tactics or threats to get people to join or stay in UNIONS is to be avoided.  Not to mention the high levels of corruption attributed to the majority of UNIONS.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Necrosis on December 18, 2012, 09:10:01 AM
What bites the dust is this ridiculous claim. If the union members are destroying the tent, with people inside of them who could get injured, THEY (not Crowder) are the aggressors. The folks for Americans for Prosperity got the license/permit to be in that spot. Do these folks at "littlegreenfootballs" really expect for people to just stand by and let a tent, filled with equipment, collapse on them without trying to defend themselves from those destroying their property?

Those union goons have no business, trying to destroy their tent. And NONE OF THIS shows that Crowder shoved the guy that cracked him in the mouth.

Not to mention, there are the little matters of the guy who yanked Crowder to the ground AFTER that fight with the first union goon....AND the black hot dog vendor, who got his merchandise destroyed and called racial slurs.

What do the folks of "littlegreenfootballs" have to say about that?

you always go on and on about others demanding things, now you support people who can choose not to pay union dues and received union benefits, it's freeloading at it's finest.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: MCWAY on December 18, 2012, 02:48:06 PM
you always go on and on about others demanding things, now you support people who can choose not to pay union dues and received union benefits, it's freeloading at it's finest.

Many of them DON'T WANT union benefits. They want no association with the unions, whatsoever.

And the benefits they get from work are from THE EMPLOYER, not the union.


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 20, 2012, 12:18:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w_ze-2r9c4


Title: Re: Union Thugs get violent and assault man at rally.
Post by: MCWAY on December 20, 2012, 12:24:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w_ze-2r9c4

So where is all this footage of Crowder, shoving the guy who hit him in the mouth?

And, I'm sure Crowder made up the guy, who yanked his hood while his back was turned.