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Title: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Donny on December 12, 2012, 12:31:16 PM
I believe this to be the most efficient form of pull-up and superior to chin-ups wide grip. My reason for this is the greater shoulder retraction, therefore more lat engagement.


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: WOOO on December 12, 2012, 06:49:57 PM
fair enough


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Donny on December 13, 2012, 06:06:01 AM
check this out...


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: D.O.U.P on December 13, 2012, 06:49:17 PM
I have been doing neutral grip pull-ups and sternum pull ups for two years now.

I used to do lat pull and my back sucked.

Now Its WAY better.

Full range pull ups WORK.


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: WOOO on December 13, 2012, 07:12:04 PM
check this out...

that looks awesome... i'm subbing it for bent over rows on saturday!


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: jpm101 on December 13, 2012, 09:35:58 PM
That close grip, pull to the lower rig box, is excellent. Using a pair of lat handles or inter lacing the fingers together. Seem gymnast doing a form of these using a bar or a pair of rings, in regular training.

Rope climbing (free form...feet held out to 90 degrees..pure upper body strength) is not included much in BB'ing workouts. A very overlooked exercise for building lats and larger biceps.  Probably the liability of injury, if a person was to fall or otherwise get hurt, in the present commercial gyms's, spa's, physical Fitness Centers, etc..or what ever you want to call those less than serious training places.

Negative one arm chins also have a place with serious lat training.   Good Luck.


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Donny on December 15, 2012, 10:12:07 AM
That close grip, pull to the lower rig box, is excellent. Using a pair of lat handles or inter lacing the fingers together. Seem gymnast doing a form of these using a bar or a pair of rings, in regular training.

Rope climbing (free form...feet held out to 90 degrees..pure upper body strength) is not included much in BB'ing workouts. A very overlooked exercise for building lats and larger biceps.  Probably the liability of injury, if a person was to fall or otherwise get hurt, in the present commercial gyms's, spa's, physical Fitness Centers, etc..or what ever you want to call those less than serious training places.

Negative one arm chins also have a place with serious lat training.   Good Luck.
yes rope climbing just using the arms is a good workout. Used a lot more by the Military( or at least at my time). I like it.


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: WOOO on December 15, 2012, 01:49:10 PM
That close grip, pull to the lower rig box, is excellent. Using a pair of lat handles or inter lacing the fingers together. Seem gymnast doing a form of these using a bar or a pair of rings, in regular training.

Rope climbing (free form...feet held out to 90 degrees..pure upper body strength) is not included much in BB'ing workouts. A very overlooked exercise for building lats and larger biceps.  Probably the liability of injury, if a person was to fall or otherwise get hurt, in the present commercial gyms's, spa's, physical Fitness Centers, etc..or what ever you want to call those less than serious training places.

Negative one arm chins also have a place with serious lat training.   Good Luck.

have tried these a few times... one of those moves that i needed to practice to feel comfortable doing


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Donny on December 15, 2012, 02:31:33 PM
one arm chins are for me for people who want to show off in the Gym. Only saw it once in the Gym and for good reason.. not practicable for most people and is a lot of stress on the shoulder and bicep tendon..in short risky and why do it? It was used in the Golden days by Jack la lane and other muscle beach guys like Steve reeves while posing and having fun.


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Donny on December 16, 2012, 03:01:55 AM
A good read easy to understand:
http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=a00031


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: jpm101 on December 27, 2012, 10:58:11 AM
The one arm chin can be an exceptional movement. Insuring equal development in strength and development  to both side of the body. Not quite sure why it might be judged a "show off" movements..but than again, to each his own.

Have some of the older gentlemen doing negative versions of one arm chins. Beginning with the free hand grasping the wrist of the working hand. After awhile they hold the free hand behind the back when doing slow negatives. Usually 7 reps and above. Best done on a gymnastic ring or a above handle that will turn with the wrist. The usually try at a negative rep is zero. After a bit of training, the reps and strength can increase very well. I work with some older golfers , and weight training seems to help with their game very well indeed.

I think that with older persons, they would do well to pay attention to such exercises a chins and dips. Insuring a balance push/pull strength. Just my experience in this. Giving them one legged step-ups and Bulgarian squats also seems to give benefit not only to leg/hip strength but also balance.   Good Luck.


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Donny on December 27, 2012, 11:34:34 AM
The one arm chin can be an exceptional movement. Insuring equal development in strength and development  to both side of the body. Not quite sure why it might be judged a "show off" movements..but than again, to each his own.

Have some of the older gentlemen doing negative versions of one arm chins. Beginning with the free hand grasping the wrist of the working hand. After awhile they hold the free hand behind the back when doing slow negatives. Usually 7 reps and above. Best done on a gymnastic ring or a above handle that will turn with the wrist. The usually try at a negative rep is zero. After a bit of training, the reps and strength can increase very well. I work with some older golfers , and weight training seems to help with their game very well indeed.

I think that with older persons, they would do well to pay attention to such exercises a chins and dips. Insuring a balance push/pull strength. Just my experience in this. Giving them one legged step-ups and Bulgarian squats also seems to give benefit not only to leg/hip strength but also balance.   Good Luck.
well you must have some very robust seniors where you train. I would never show a senior this and i have NEVER seen it done from a senior. If anything i would use a pull down apparatus or Hammer strength machine where you can use one arm(safer and controlled). One arm chins are for people with above average strength and training experience.I bet most fit guys here would struggle with it so i find it absurd to say seniors do it under your supervision.


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Donny on December 27, 2012, 11:46:01 AM
aside from the injury risks itīs not an exercise for older trainers who mostly are in the gym to help with joint problems by building strength. Itīs a bit like sending your Grandmother in the squat rack. Hanging from one arm with negative reps is an enormous strain on the soft structures. why do you think itīs so loved in the Heavy Duty system(it works but for fit people) .. negatives are very dangerous for an untrained or older person. we have diffrent opinions i think but thatīs how it is.


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: jpm101 on December 27, 2012, 12:32:04 PM
Donny: Guessing you are within the British Isles?  Explaining that in Southern California, the attitudes and active life style might be quite different. We have sunshine most of the year. Outdoor actives and a athletic attitude are held with people well into their 70's out here. Some 55 t0 65 years old women are still very attractive. Hot & MILF would be the term used, quite often, when referring to them.

The term "senior"  and "older gentleman" may pertain to a different way of looking at things. 55 year of age would be considered senior in America. "Old Gentleman" and "senior" are not always interchangeable. Older might be consider with those reaching the mid 40's or even 70's, depending of their physical activity and health.

One arm chins are not always for people with exceptional strength. Even women have been know to include this movement into their workout schemes. The human body have wonderful adapting methods, even in older age, to become stronger and add muscle mass. Studies include men in their late 80's to 90's improving through well planned training.

The rewards of negative chins are very clear. And at most any age. So feel free to surmount your own theories and methods and I will continue to do the same from my point of view and experience.  Good Luck.


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: WOOO on December 27, 2012, 12:48:43 PM
Donny: Guessing you are within the British Isles?  Explaining that in Southern California, the attitudes and active life style might be quite different. We have sunshine most of the year. Outdoor actives and a athletic attitude are held with people well into their 70's out here. Some 55 t0 65 years old women are still very attractive. Hot & MILF would be the term used, quite often, when referring to them.

i need a sugar mama out there


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Donny on December 27, 2012, 01:21:10 PM
Donny: Guessing you are within the British Isles?  Explaining that in Southern California, the attitudes and active life style might be quite different. We have sunshine most of the year. Outdoor actives and a athletic attitude are held with people well into their 70's out here. Some 55 t0 65 years old women are still very attractive. Hot & MILF would be the term used, quite often, when referring to them.

The term "senior"  and "older gentleman" may pertain to a different way of looking at things. 55 year of age would be considered senior in America. "Old Gentleman" and "senior" are not always interchangeable. Older might be consider with those reaching the mid 40's or even 70's, depending of their physical activity and health.

One arm chins are not always for people with exceptional strength. Even women have been know to include this movement into their workout schemes. The human body have wonderful adapting methods, even in older age, to become stronger and add muscle mass. Studies include men in their late 80's to 90's improving through well planned training.

The rewards of negative chins are very clear. And at most any age. So feel free to surmount your own theories and methods and I will continue to do the same from my point of view and experience.  Good Luck.
your saying that the sun and conditions make these "seniors" chin like a king..my god man read what you are writing. I am in germany and i have seen some old guys train who were gymnasts and who could chin the bar and do some gymnastics but you are now trying to talk your way out by saying in the UK or Europe the sun makes a difference!! Jeez .


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Donny on December 27, 2012, 01:30:32 PM
one arm chins do not need exceptional strength?  ??? old ladies can do them? A bodybuilder like Ripitupbaby yes ,, you must be the "secret trainer for eternal youth"


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: jpm101 on December 27, 2012, 01:35:21 PM
Donny: Compose yourself, take a little time and come up with a better response.  Or are there only special hours the mental clinic will allow you to use the patients living room computers?  Good Luck.


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Donny on December 27, 2012, 01:42:33 PM
Donny: Compose yourself, take a little time and come up with a better response.  Or are there only special hours the mental clinic will allow you to use the patients living room computers?  Good Luck.
oh JPM is getting upset because he has made a fool of himself...


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Donny on December 27, 2012, 01:46:52 PM
you wrote advice that anyone who works in a gym would not give.. and please do not think i am a weekend trainer with a ball because i am not.


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: WOOO on December 28, 2012, 03:31:00 AM
gents...

i think if you both re-read each others' posts you will see value in both perspectives...

remember that the reason for rhetoric is that everything is perception and perceptions differ individually...


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Donny on December 28, 2012, 04:07:27 AM
gents...

i think if you both re-read each others' posts you will see value in both perspectives...

remember that the reason for rhetoric is that everything is perception and perceptions differ individually...
Yes Wooo you are correct. lets all be friends again... ;D


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: DD Holland on December 28, 2012, 11:57:00 AM
I have seen way to many fail videos on youtube to want to try this one!

I'd get proper equipment not a doorway perch.


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: kimo on January 10, 2013, 07:45:31 AM
this chin up was pionnered by vince .gironda . yes a great move .


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: WOOO on January 10, 2013, 06:20:58 PM
this chin up was pionnered by vince .gironda . yes a great move .


dude

we've been doing chin ups since we were monkeys... literally...

vince gironda did not pioneer anything


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: jpm101 on January 10, 2013, 07:33:48 PM
Though a master at adapting and using different approaches to exercises  and training style, Gironda wasn't the first, by any means, to use the sternum (for a better name) chin. Gymnastic use a form of this, with bar or ring work.  Probably the ancient Greeks and Romans used similar styles. And the Sumer's before them.

If wanting an exceptional chin movement, on a bar or rings, that learn the Muscle Up. Get your pull and push exercise in one movement, while building strength.......a very functional exercise.  A somewhat basic exercise for most gymnast.  Some have even added extra weight to the movement. Been told elite military training does include this form of training. Seen well trained women athletics do these, as a regular part of workouts. Good Luck.



Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: WOOO on January 10, 2013, 07:38:29 PM
Though a master at adapting and using different approaches to exercises  and training style, Gironda wasn't the first, by any means, to use the sternum (for a better name) chin. Gymnastic use a form of this, with bar or ring work.  Probably the ancient Greeks and Romans used similar styles. And the Sumer's before them.

If wanting an exceptional chin movement, on a bar or rings, that learn the Muscle Up. Get your pull and push exercise in one movement, while building strength.......a very functional exercise.  A somewhat basic exercise for most gymnast.  Some have even added extra weight to the movement. Been told elite military training does include this form of training. Seen well trained women athletics do these, as a regular part of workouts. Good Luck.




i love doing muscleups at least once per week... i still remember the day when i completed my first one at a bodyweight of 265... is was an unreal feeling

now they are way easier but no less satisfying... when i do them t home i have to stoop just a bit at the top to not bang my head on the ceiling :)


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: jpm101 on January 10, 2013, 07:54:45 PM
WOOO..you be the man!!!

Last time I tried them was my junior year in college ( believe). A very overlooked exercise. Good Luck.


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: WOOO on January 10, 2013, 08:11:15 PM
WOOO..you be the man!!!

Last time I tried them was my junior year in college ( believe). A very overlooked exercise. Good Luck.

hit it tomorrow dude... i kinda of do a 'kipping' muscle up these days... ultimately, the point is to get up there!


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Donny on January 11, 2013, 03:21:12 AM
hit it tomorrow dude... i kinda of do a 'kipping' muscle up these days... ultimately, the point is to get up there!
got to admit itīs easier for us smaller guys... ;)


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: WOOO on January 11, 2013, 05:01:32 AM
got to admit itīs easier for us smaller guys... ;)


yeah... the only time i get jealous of shorter/lighter men is when i'm doing a ballistic bodyweight movement


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: jpm101 on January 12, 2013, 09:58:21 AM
Kipping would be a good thing for any BB'er to learn, also hits the total ab wall extremely hard. Straight muscle up's can prove to be a bit more of a challenge for most. Some misguided people  might think that kip's are cheating. But than again, in BB'ing it's not cheating if it works. Include rope climbing (legs out 90 degrees to the body) in that type workout...superior upper body work.

Always thought any older BB'er should include some form of pull up & dips in training. Never know when you might have to use that extra strength to get out of a situation not planned. Accident or emergency where you have to pull or push  yourself out of harms way. Getting out of a stuck elevator & pulling up to the overhead escape door, pushing out of a crashed car, climbing up a steep embankment while using a rescue rope, etc, etc..etc..  This would include women, to a certain degree. Good Luck.


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: jpm101 on January 12, 2013, 10:37:24 AM
Doing muscle up's or kip's on a pair of rings give a whole new feel to the movements. Some will go into a crucifix/iron cross, as the body is lowered. Or just into the crucifix from the bottom position.

Try doing dips, either wide out or close, while on a pair of rings. Even butterfly's with lower ring hanging straps, and feet usually on a bench. Great pec movement.  Good Luck.


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: kimo on January 12, 2013, 06:57:24 PM
sternum chin were pioneered by vince


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Montague on January 12, 2013, 07:06:54 PM
Even butterfly's with lower ring hanging straps, and feet usually on a bench. Great pec movement.  Good Luck.


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Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: jpm101 on January 13, 2013, 10:34:41 AM
Montague:  Yes, I was thinking about Gironda, with the ring fly's in mine. Thank you.

Can do  floor fly's, or reverse face down fly's  (so many different names for the same exercises/training systems in BB'ing or lifting..west coast, east coast and all points between) with a pair of DB's. Just loosen the outside collars so the plates can act as rollers and extend out to the sides. Keeps tension on the pecs throughout. Something like you can do with a Ab roller. As it becomes easier, place the feet on a bench, chair or whatever.

Not designed for really heavy weight, a DB fly can become more like a wide DB press with more of a arm bend. Which you will have do do with extreme weights, else the bicep become over strained/stretched, begging for a tear. Good Luck.


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Montague on January 13, 2013, 12:43:32 PM
Montague:  Yes, I was thinking about Gironda, with the ring fly's in mine. Thank you.


No problem.

You turned me onto Vince's & Scott's ideas several years ago, and have given me lots of other good advice since I became a member here. So, I thank you, as well!


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Donny on January 13, 2013, 12:50:44 PM
Well the thread Was about back Training ... ???


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Montague on January 13, 2013, 12:57:12 PM
Well the thread Was about back Training ... ???


Yes, it was.
 ;D


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Donny on January 13, 2013, 01:05:34 PM

Yes, it was.
 ;D
mate i just can't be botherd to read Jpms long drawn out boring posts about escaping out of an elevator ::) and other rubbish. he bores the shit out me. why is he rambling about Greeks and all that?? he writes like we know nothing about training.. or escaping out a car? is the guy on drugs ??


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Montague on January 13, 2013, 01:32:52 PM
mate i just can't be botherd to read Jpms long drawn out boring posts about escaping out of an elevator ::) and other rubbish. he bores the shit out me. why is he rambling about Greeks and all that?? he writes like we know nothing about training.. or escaping out a car? is the guy on drugs ??


You're both good dudes.
Don't take this shit too seriously.
 8)


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Donny on January 13, 2013, 01:37:51 PM
 8)


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: WOOO on January 13, 2013, 04:19:06 PM
when i start to feel like the stable one on this board i get scared...  :-\ ;D


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: jpm101 on January 13, 2013, 05:29:58 PM
Hmmmmmm.........well I have no problem with Donny expressing himself anyway he wants. Don't care for any of my stuff...than perhaps don't bother to read any of it, seems like a option for him.

Not sure why all the anger, or maybe unhappiness in his personal life, coming from him in my direction...but he can flame away at me all he wants.  It is the internet after all. Sure if we met in person, there could be common ground between us (notice I'm using the Sun Tzu approach here). I'll buy the first round at a nice little beach bar on PCH.

Donny is encouraged to take this up with the mods, or Ron himself, if the vile, disturbing and insulting post of mine upset him so much.   Good Luck.


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: WOOO on January 13, 2013, 05:46:56 PM
Hmmmmmm.........well I have no problem with Donny expressing himself anyway he wants. Don't care for any of my stuff...than perhaps don't bother to read any of it, seems like a option for him.

Not sure why all the anger, or maybe unhappiness in his personal life, coming from him in my direction...but he can flame away at me all he wants.  It is the internet after all. Sure if we met in person, there could be common ground between us (notice I'm using the Sun Tzu approach here). I'll buy the first round at a nice little beach bar on PCH.

Donny is encouraged to take this up with the mods, or Ron himself, if the vile, disturbing and insulting post of mine upset him so much.   Good Luck.

JPM, your reign of terror has gone on long enough!!!!

Monty, arrest this man  >:( >:(






 8)


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Montague on January 13, 2013, 05:54:09 PM
JPM, your reign of terror has gone on long enough!!!!

Monty, arrest this man  >:( >:(


LOL!!
Sorry, I'm not a mod on this board.

That is up to Chaos, and you don't want to piss him off. He's fond of altering posts to contain bestiality-laden overtones and then locking the thread so you can't change it. Occasionally, he'll then move said thread to the G&O board for a more thorough bashing.


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Montague on January 13, 2013, 06:05:44 PM
Montague:  Yes, I was thinking about Gironda, with the ring fly's in mine.


Classic pics of Scott & Vince would have been helpful in discussing v-bar dips with PUMPSTER, who I recall emphatically insisted for a time that there even was no such thing. Then, about two years later, he spoke of them as if he'd personally "invented" the method. He went on about what a rare/classic/vintage piece of equipment it was, etc. I laughed my ass off!

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Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: WOOO on January 13, 2013, 06:54:17 PM

Classic pics of Scott & Vince would have been helpful in discussing v-bar dips with PUMPSTER, who I recall emphatically insisted for a time that there even was no such thing. Then, about two years later, he spoke of them as if he'd personally "invented" the method. He went on about what a rare/classic/vintage piece of equipment it was, etc. I laughed my ass off!

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makes my elbows ache just looking at that... never really found a comfortable dip position... i still do regular dips... but i have to be very careful on the eccentric contraction to avoid tweaking my elbows


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Montague on January 13, 2013, 07:48:38 PM

makes my elbows ache just looking at that... never really found a comfortable dip position... i still do regular dips... but i have to be very careful on the eccentric contraction to avoid tweaking my elbows


It helps doing them on v-bars. I tried using a knuckles-in (facing each other) grip on parallel dip bars, but that wrecked my wrists real quick. JPM suggested resting the palms on the butt/end of the handles, with the knuckles angled about 45 degrees to the torso, as they are in Scott's version.
He also recommended using some type of padding to provide grip by giving the palms something to "bite" into, since you really can't close your fingers around the handles. Short sections of pipe insulation work well for me.

I do dips like this regularly and love the feel in my pecs that the flared elbows provide.

If your elbows bother you, consider using a slower negative, especially near the bottom of the movement. This practice often reduces stress and trauma on the soft tissue surrounding joints.



Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Donny on January 13, 2013, 08:49:47 PM
well monty if jpm says to Do it...my advice is don't do it..like his one arm chins.


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Donny on January 13, 2013, 08:56:03 PM
Hmmmmmm.........well I have no problem with Donny expressing himself anyway he wants. Don't care for any of my stuff...than perhaps don't bother to read any of it, seems like a option for him.

Not sure why all the anger, or maybe unhappiness in his personal life, coming from him in my direction...but he can flame away at me all he wants.  It is the internet after all. Sure if we met in person, there could be common ground between us (notice I'm using the Sun Tzu approach here). I'll buy the first round at a nice little beach bar on PCH.

Donny is encouraged to take this up with the mods, or Ron himself, if the vile, disturbing and insulting post of mine upset him so much.   Good Luck.
  ::)


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Montague on January 13, 2013, 08:56:59 PM
well monty if jpm says to Do it...my advice is don't do it..like his one arm chins.


I certainly don't care for all of Vince's ideas, but I've found some of them worth exploring.
To get this thread somewhat back on topic, Scott used to do a type of pull-up in which he only really contracted the scapula. I don't know if he threw that in the seminar to make attendees feel like they were getting something obscure/special, or if he actually used them when competing.

Are you familiar with these, Don?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcxL5upaIcg


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Donny on January 13, 2013, 09:03:29 PM
Yes I have tried them but find them very hard to feel . Looks easy on the video but It's hard to do correctly.


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: Montague on January 13, 2013, 09:15:57 PM
Yes I have tried them but find them very hard to feel . Looks easy on the video but It's hard to do correctly.


Yeah. I've only tried them once, and probably didn't do them correctly because I didn't feel them either. This thread reminded me of them again, though, in thinking of some of the less common older movements and their variations.
That's why I like threads like these.


Title: Re: sternum pull-ups
Post by: WOOO on January 14, 2013, 05:47:23 AM
looks like shoulder impingement hell to me... also... straps? really?