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http://www.complex.com/sports/2012/09/the-50-most-infamous-criminals-in-sports-history/sally-mcneil (http://www.complex.com/sports/2012/09/the-50-most-infamous-criminals-in-sports-history/sally-mcneil)
Criminal History: Murder
Time Behind Bars: 17+ years
If ever there was a PSA to keep kids off of steroids, it's Sally "Killer Sally" McNeil. After taking up bodybuilding, McNeil became a menace purportedly pulling a gun on her ex-husband, dropping a 70 lbs. weight on his car from a balcony, and was subdued with pepper spray during a physical altercation with police officers. Later that year, she beat a woman severely at a competition because she suspected she was "sleeping wit her husband."
On Valentine's Day of 1995 the violence turned deadly when she pulled a shotgun on her then-husband and murdered him in cold blood. To date, McNeil has claimed no wrongdoing and has painted her husband as an abuser. McNeil recently celebrated her 50th birthday in a California prison for women
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strange that more than half of the 50 list is made by football players, honestly I didn't know that.
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Medford must have sent a card
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I remember that case at the time, she blew his guts out from behind and then half his face with a 12 gauge when he was on his hands and knees.
He was still alive when the cops came and when she accused him of attacking her he shook his head to the cop with no bottom jaw.
Shocking case.
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So Coach is wrong. According to the popular lay press, bodybuilding is now in fact a sport. Took a murder to clarify, but there we have it!
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I remember that case at the time, she blew his guts out from behind and then half his face with a 12 gauge when he was on his hands and knees.
He was still alive when the cops came and when she accused him of attacking her he shook his head to the cop with no bottom jaw.
Shocking case.
u serious UK?
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u serious UK?
Yep. When the cops came in, they found her at the stove, purportedly cooking food with Ray lying in the kitchen in a pool of his own guts missing his jaw. She's a sociopath, no doubt.
I think the cop said something along the lines of "I don't know how he (Ray) said it with his jaw blown off, but when we asked him, he said no."
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yep, true story.
I will try and find some links.
It was reported in an interview she did with Flex magazine at the time
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this is some scary shit
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What does she look like at 50?
Still muscular?
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Medford must have sent a card
Is it you Amy?.... :o
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meddy will be partying tonight... on her lonesome :'(
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Trained with Sally and Ray at Camp Pendleton ...... he was a damn nice guy.... she had her usual female moods and jealousy..... but this took it to another level..
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Valentine's Day 1995 was not going well for Sally and Ray McNeil.
Not that either expected love poems and roses.
Both bodybuilders and ex-Marines, the couple's awful eight-year marriage was wearing out, ground down by vanity, jealousy and muscular machismo.
Yet Sally seethed that evening when Ray was late in showing up at their apartment in Oceanside, Calif., north of San Diego.
She was spoiling for a fight when he finally arrived after 10 p.m.
Shantina and John, Sally's preteen children from another marriage, cowered in their bedroom as the combat commenced. The kids knew the drill.
As a prosecutor later said of the marriage, "That's what they did - they hit each other."
And neither was the sort to surrender.
Ray McNeil, 29, was a buff 256-pounder who was named Mr. California in 1991. Sally, a 34-year-old ripped blonde, had won the U.S. Armed Services Physique Championship twice in the late '80s.
But this confrontation would be different. It would be their last.
As Ray stood at the kitchen stove cooking chicken, Sally asked him to explain where he had been.
After some shouting, Shantina, 11, said she heard a "gurgling" sound, as though her mother was being choked.
Sally went to a closet, removed a 12-gauge shotgun from its case and chambered a shell. She walked back to the kitchen and pulled the trigger.
The shot blew a hole through Ray's six-pack abs. He fell to his knees, and his wife loaded a second shell and shot him in the jaw.
She then called 911. In the background, Ray could be heard moaning, "Why, oh god, why?"
Shantina ran to a neighbor's apartment, hollering, "Oh my God! My mom shot my dad!" As Sally waited for police, the neighbor overheard her say, "I just wanted him to leave me alone."
Ray McNeil was still alive and conscious when police arrived. As he listened to Sally tell cops that he had choked her, the bodybuilder tossed his bloody head from side to side and uttered a firm "No!"
He was declared dead two hours later, and Sally was charged with murder, causing a sensation in the insular world of bodybuilding.
Ray McNeil, a native Jamaican, was among the top 20 professionals in the nation in his weight class.
Sally, who grew up in Allentown, Penn., was an amateur bodybuilder, but she used her physique to earn money in niche muscle sports, including female submission wrestling and a semi-erotic amusement known as apartment wrestling, in which men pay to grapple with muscular women.
She used the nickname "Killer Sally" in those enterprises.
It fit, said her first husband, Anthony Lowden.
He said his ex-wife had become "unhinged" after taking up bodybuilding.
"As sure as Ray McNeil lies dead, it could've been me," Lowden told the San Diego Union-Tribune.
She had been arrested in 1990 for pulling a pistol on Lowden and shattering his car windows with a crowbar. Days later, she had a violent fight with McNeil and dropped a 70-pound weight on his car from a balcony as he was leaving her. Also in 1990, she was sprayed with Mace after she fought with police officers who were called to investigate the wellbeing of her children.
In yet another incident that year, she was barred from bodybuilding competitions for a year after pummeling a woman spectator she suspected of sleeping with her husband.
And during a 1993 visit to her hometown, she assaulted a police officer who was called to a bar when she went "berserk" after a bouncer ordered her to stop dancing on a table.
"This was not an isolated incident of violence," prosecutor Dan Goldstein said of the slaying. He called her "aggressive by nature."
Elevated aggression is a trademark of "roid rage," of course, and abuse of anabolic steroids is endemic to bodybuilding.
Blood tests revealed that both Sally and Ray were on steroids at the time of the homicide. She tested positive for Deca-Durabolin, the same substance allegedly used by baseball star Roger Clemens.
Ray McNeil's body had five different kinds of steroids.
At trial a year after the slaying, defense attorney Bill Rafael portrayed Sally McNeil as a battered wife and victim of 'roid rage.
"The issue in this case is Sally McNeil's right to use force in an honest and reasonable manner against her abuser," he said, "in order to stop the beatings, the rapes, the sodomies, the tortures."
Prosecutor Goldstein countered, "The defendant is anything but a battered wife. She is one of the most violent persons I have ever prosecuted."
The jury convicted McNeil of second-degree murder. Sentenced to 19 years to life, she is still imprisoned today, nearly 14 years later, at the state slammer for women in Chowchilla.
In a recent interview with bodybuilding writer Leigh Penman, Sally McNeil talked tough and accepted no blame.
She portrayed her dead husband as a steroid-popping philanderer who began beating her on the third day of their marriage and never stopped.
McNeil did not reflect on her own history of violence and steroid use.
As her 50th birthday approaches, she has no definitive parole date. She said she bides her time working out.
"Killer Sally" McNeil crowed, "I am still a lean, mean fighting machine."
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/tale-killer-sally-12-gauge-husband-article-1.435829#ixzz2pGNAGZiG
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the prisons should release anyone that can bench press twice their body weight.
anyone with that kinda work ethic is going to behave on the outside, no doubt
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I have the Flex Mag with the full interviews they did with her. It must have been that 101/2 inch dick she said he had that drove her crazy hahaha!
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(http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/do%20want/grand/do-want-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-411.gif)(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=452020.0;attach=496481;image)
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In a recent interview with bodybuilding writer Leigh Penman, Sally McNeil talked tough and accepted no blame.
She portrayed her dead husband as a steroid-popping philanderer who began beating her on the third day of their marriage and never stopped.
McNeil did not reflect on her own history of violence and steroid use.
As her 50th birthday approaches, she has no definitive parole date. She said she bides her time working out.
"Killer Sally" McNeil crowed, "I am still a lean, mean fighting machine."
(http://www.rxmuscle.com/images/stories/women/SallyMc/SallyMcNiel0001.jpg)
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Valentine's Day 1995 was not going well for Sally and Ray McNeil.
Not that either expected love poems and roses.
Both bodybuilders and ex-Marines, the couple's awful eight-year marriage was wearing out, ground down by vanity, jealousy and muscular machismo.
Yet Sally seethed that evening when Ray was late in showing up at their apartment in Oceanside, Calif., north of San Diego.
She was spoiling for a fight when he finally arrived after 10 p.m.
Shantina and John, Sally's preteen children from another marriage, cowered in their bedroom as the combat commenced. The kids knew the drill.
As a prosecutor later said of the marriage, "That's what they did - they hit each other."
And neither was the sort to surrender.
Ray McNeil, 29, was a buff 256-pounder who was named Mr. California in 1991. Sally, a 34-year-old ripped blonde, had won the U.S. Armed Services Physique Championship twice in the late '80s.
But this confrontation would be different. It would be their last.
As Ray stood at the kitchen stove cooking chicken, Sally asked him to explain where he had been.
After some shouting, Shantina, 11, said she heard a "gurgling" sound, as though her mother was being choked.
Sally went to a closet, removed a 12-gauge shotgun from its case and chambered a shell. She walked back to the kitchen and pulled the trigger.
The shot blew a hole through Ray's six-pack abs. He fell to his knees, and his wife loaded a second shell and shot him in the jaw.
She then called 911. In the background, Ray could be heard moaning, "Why, oh god, why?"
Shantina ran to a neighbor's apartment, hollering, "Oh my God! My mom shot my dad!" As Sally waited for police, the neighbor overheard her say, "I just wanted him to leave me alone."
Ray McNeil was still alive and conscious when police arrived. As he listened to Sally tell cops that he had choked her, the bodybuilder tossed his bloody head from side to side and uttered a firm "No!"
He was declared dead two hours later, and Sally was charged with murder, causing a sensation in the insular world of bodybuilding.
Ray McNeil, a native Jamaican, was among the top 20 professionals in the nation in his weight class.
Sally, who grew up in Allentown, Penn., was an amateur bodybuilder, but she used her physique to earn money in niche muscle sports, including female submission wrestling and a semi-erotic amusement known as apartment wrestling, in which men pay to grapple with muscular women.
She used the nickname "Killer Sally" in those enterprises.
It fit, said her first husband, Anthony Lowden.
He said his ex-wife had become "unhinged" after taking up bodybuilding.
"As sure as Ray McNeil lies dead, it could've been me," Lowden told the San Diego Union-Tribune.
She had been arrested in 1990 for pulling a pistol on Lowden and shattering his car windows with a crowbar. Days later, she had a violent fight with McNeil and dropped a 70-pound weight on his car from a balcony as he was leaving her. Also in 1990, she was sprayed with Mace after she fought with police officers who were called to investigate the wellbeing of her children.
In yet another incident that year, she was barred from bodybuilding competitions for a year after pummeling a woman spectator she suspected of sleeping with her husband.
And during a 1993 visit to her hometown, she assaulted a police officer who was called to a bar when she went "berserk" after a bouncer ordered her to stop dancing on a table.
"This was not an isolated incident of violence," prosecutor Dan Goldstein said of the slaying. He called her "aggressive by nature."
Elevated aggression is a trademark of "roid rage," of course, and abuse of anabolic steroids is endemic to bodybuilding.
Blood tests revealed that both Sally and Ray were on steroids at the time of the homicide. She tested positive for Deca-Durabolin, the same substance allegedly used by baseball star Roger Clemens.
Ray McNeil's body had five different kinds of steroids.
At trial a year after the slaying, defense attorney Bill Rafael portrayed Sally McNeil as a battered wife and victim of 'roid rage.
"The issue in this case is Sally McNeil's right to use force in an honest and reasonable manner against her abuser," he said, "in order to stop the beatings, the rapes, the sodomies, the tortures."
Prosecutor Goldstein countered, "The defendant is anything but a battered wife. She is one of the most violent persons I have ever prosecuted."
The jury convicted McNeil of second-degree murder. Sentenced to 19 years to life, she is still imprisoned today, nearly 14 years later, at the state slammer for women in Chowchilla.
In a recent interview with bodybuilding writer Leigh Penman, Sally McNeil talked tough and accepted no blame.
She portrayed her dead husband as a steroid-popping philanderer who began beating her on the third day of their marriage and never stopped.
McNeil did not reflect on her own history of violence and steroid use.
As her 50th birthday approaches, she has no definitive parole date. She said she bides her time working out.
"Killer Sally" McNeil crowed, "I am still a lean, mean fighting machine."
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/tale-killer-sally-12-gauge-husband-article-1.435829#ixzz2pGNAGZiG
sally mac lived 17 miles from me never knew that till now. happy birthday sally.
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What a fucking nut. She seemed so normal while wrassling in the Motel 6.
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If Rob Bailey keeps pumping his wife full of male hormones, he may just come home late one too many times. DBL is a narcissist for sure...And many narcissists are sociopaths...
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He said his ex-wife had become "unhinged" after taking up bodybuilding.
That pretty much sums it up for all of us.
:D Guilty guilty and guilty.
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I`m gonna` send her a birthday cake with a file and a hacksaw in it.
Seriously.
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This makes me sick
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Wow, surprised to see you post on this
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I have the Flex Mag with the full interviews they did with her. It must have been that 101/2 inch dick she said he had that drove her crazy hahaha!
She did the same in the MM mag too. Talked about "have you seen it? It's 10 and a half inches big" and claimed that he regularly raped her with it and bragged about the other women that could take it.
People who knew them saw this coming a mile away.
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He said his ex-wife had become "unhinged" after taking up bodybuilding.
That pretty much sums it up for all of us.
chicken-egg-chicken-egg
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Sally VS Renee Toney (w short hair) or is it Ronnie Coleman?
http://www.wrestle.com/digital/saltar.htm
(http://www.wrestle.com/fpicsn/saltar.jpg)
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39656&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
1993 Mr. O contest...
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I remember reading about this in a Flex magazine when i was a teen. It seems ray and sally were meant to each other.
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I trained at the same gym as these misfits. After she blew him away some Women's group made her bail and she came into the gym wanting to workout. George(owner) told her to get out and she threw a fit and returned with her lawyer threatening to sue. George then told both of them to leave. I saw her shortly after that at the Oceanside farmer's market and she looked like she had never touched a weight. Strange couple, although Ray seemed like a nice guy. I believe it was Valentines day when he was shot. Don't come home late on Valentines day!
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Sally "ice pick" Mcneil had no regret about it....she said it was the Roid that made her do it
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wonder which gym she trained at in allentown pa. ?????? i remember joe meeko's wife also a bodybuilding competitor attacking him several times.third pic is after a cast iron frying pan attack.
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Wow, surprised to see you post on this
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knny! 'sup there been a long time
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If her story was true, she could've killed him barehanded
or with a knife
shotguns are what 1st degree murderers use
because there's no realistic way to defend against it
so, yeah
she was a coward and a killer
and admits no guilt, best proof she's where she belongs
let her rot in prison
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Hey where'd my avatar go?
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He was still alive when the cops came and when she accused him of attacking her he shook his head to the cop with no bottom jaw.
Shocking case.
Holy fuck
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Holy fuck
No shit, pretty gruesome scene it paints in your mind. I wonder what goes through your head knowing you are going to do, that it's imminent, but that you actually have more than a few minutes to think about it. Scary shit.
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around blacks never relax
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In a recent interview with bodybuilding writer Leigh Penman, Sally McNeil talked tough and accepted no blame.
She portrayed her dead husband as a steroid-popping philanderer who began beating her on the third day of their marriage and never stopped.
McNeil did not reflect on her own history of violence and steroid use.
As her 50th birthday approaches, she has no definitive parole date. She said she bides her time working out.
"Killer Sally" McNeil crowed, "I am still a lean, mean fighting machine."
(http://www.rxmuscle.com/images/stories/women/SallyMc/SallyMcNiel0001.jpg)
If that is her at 50 wow.
Such a shame that a nice lady like denise rutkowski can turn into an ugly man at the same age whereas an evil psycho bitch like sally mcneil ages like fine wine.
Prison lifestyle seems ideal for physique and good aging (especially for woman as they don't have to guard their ass 24/7)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=452020.0;attach=496481;image)
I love those bowling ball glutes though. Same ass as Denise Rutkowski.
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If that is her at 50 wow.
Such a shame that a nice lady like denise rutkowski can turn into an ugly man at the same age whereas an evil psycho bitch like sally mcneil ages like fine wine.
Prison lifestyle seems ideal for physique and good aging (especially for woman as they don't have to guard their ass 24/7)
crazy killer eyes
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In a recent interview with bodybuilding writer Leigh Penman, Sally McNeil talked tough and accepted no blame.
She portrayed her dead husband as a steroid-popping philanderer who began beating her on the third day of their marriage and never stopped.
McNeil did not reflect on her own history of violence and steroid use.
As her 50th birthday approaches, she has no definitive parole date. She said she bides her time working out.
"Killer Sally" McNeil crowed, "I am still a lean, mean fighting machine."
(http://www.rxmuscle.com/images/stories/women/SallyMc/SallyMcNiel0001.jpg)
She sounds like a sociopath!
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around blacks never relax
good motto for perpetually fearful little racist cowards