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Title: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Straw Man on December 22, 2012, 11:05:51 AM
oh wait, they actually did have an armed guard

I guess in order to be safe we'll need one at every entrance, every floor and in every class room

and also every movie theater, shopping mall, barber shop, etc.....

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Pages/DEPUTIES_TEXT.htm



Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: 24KT on December 22, 2012, 11:21:00 AM
Ontario's reaction to the tragedy in Connecticut was to approve renovations that will ensure all entrances & exits are locked during the school day, and that all visitors to the school must be recorded on closed circuit cameras and buzzed in by school officials.

While I recognize this is merely a political diversion to focus attention away from McGuinty's current issued with school boards all over the province, it seems to be a more effective solution than actually putting firearms in the school.

Who is to say one of these power-tripping rent-a-cops (most likely rejected from the military/police force, and living out their fantasies) won't go postal one day?


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Straw Man on December 22, 2012, 11:22:02 AM
Ontario's reaction to the tragedy in Connecticut was to approve renovations that will ensure all entrances & exits are locked during the school day, and that all visitors to the school must be recorded on closed circuit cameras and buzzed in by school officials.

While I recognize this is merely a political diversion to focus attention away from McGuinty's current issued with school boards all over the province, it seems to be a more effective solution than actually putting firearms in the school.

Who is to say one of these power-tripping rent-a-cops (most likely rejected from the military/police force, and living out their fantasies) won't go postal one day?

After Zimmerman serves his time I'm sure he'll be available for the job


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: 24KT on December 22, 2012, 11:28:22 AM
After Zimmerman serves his time I'm sure he'll be available for the job

Straw I would laugh at that joke.... except, I don't think you're joking, ...and I don't think the scenario is at all far fetched.  :'( :'(


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Straw Man on December 22, 2012, 11:31:23 AM
Straw I would laugh at that joke.... except, I don't think you're joking, ...and I don't think the scenario is at all far fetched.  :'( :'(
what could go wrong with a few hundred thousand wanna be cops in our schools




Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 22, 2012, 11:33:53 AM
After Zimmerman serves his time I'm sure he'll be available for the job

We need to clone Zimm and send the clones on the NYC subway, compton, chicago, detroit, etc to clean up the filth.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: 240 is Back on December 22, 2012, 11:43:01 AM
elementary schools need one cop.

1-2 for middle schools, depending upon the size.

2-3 for high schools, depending upon size.

I've taught at every level from K to adult, and schools need a cop, it's that simple.  high schools already have cops, as do most middle schools.  You can't break up a fight in high school - kids are stronger than the teachers sometimes.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Slapper on December 22, 2012, 11:44:43 AM
That's exactly what I keep telling people: If you had a guard (not a cop, I don't want a fucking cop anywhere near my kid!) with a gun at school, any schmoe that tries to pull a Newtown-style stunt is going to think twice.

The Connecticut massacre would've turned out a lot different if the killer had gone in knowing that he was going to have to defend himself too.

And key employees of the schools need to be trained on how to use a taser gun and on how to put their necks on the line for the kids.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Straw Man on December 22, 2012, 11:58:14 AM
That's exactly what I keep telling people: If you had a guard (not a cop, I don't want a fucking cop anywhere near my kid!) with a gun at school, any schmoe that tries to pull a Newtown-style stunt is going to think twice.

The Connecticut massacre would've turned out a lot different if the killer had gone in knowing that he was going to have to defend himself too.

And key employees of the schools need to be trained on how to use a taser gun and on how to put their necks on the line for the kids.

he killed himself so why would he be deterred by a guard

the guard at Columbine didn't deter those two shooters but then they also killed themselves


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: 24KT on December 22, 2012, 12:04:03 PM
elementary schools need one cop.

1-2 for middle schools, depending upon the size.

2-3 for high schools, depending upon size.

I've taught at every level from K to adult, and schools need a cop, it's that simple.  high schools already have cops, as do most middle schools.  You can't break up a fight in high school - kids are stronger than the teachers sometimes.

OMG!!!  I can't even see the roughest highschool in one of our toughest neighbourhoods being in need of a cop. What are American schools like?!  :o :o  :o :o


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Slapper on December 22, 2012, 12:15:26 PM
he killed himself so why would he be deterred by a guard[...]

Because his goal was to kill as many kids as possible, and a guard is, at the very least, an obstacle.

Whether he decides to kill himself at the end or not is inconsequential. 


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: 24KT on December 22, 2012, 01:06:03 PM
That's exactly what I keep telling people: If you had a guard (not a cop, I don't want a fucking cop anywhere near my kid!) with a gun at school, any schmoe that tries to pull a Newtown-style stunt is going to think twice.

The Connecticut massacre would've turned out a lot different if the killer had gone in knowing that he was going to have to defend himself too.

Ya, ...he would have gone in with even MORE fire power, ...or would have determined how to get past the only line of defense leaving everyone else as sitting ducks thinking their rent-a-cop was protecting them.

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And key employees of the schools need to be trained on how to use a taser gun and on how to put their necks on the line for the kids.

Come on. At the rate they are paid, do you really think they are going to put their lives on the line? Key employees of schools usually have families that THEY want to go home to. I don't think they will be putting their lives on the line to protect other people's kids... no matter how fond they are of them, ...regardless of the narrative the MSM wants to spin.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Straw Man on December 22, 2012, 02:22:07 PM
Because his goal was to kill as many kids as possible, and a guard is, at the very least, an obstacle.

Whether he decides to kill himself at the end or not is inconsequential.  

the guard wasn't much of an obstacle at Columbine and if the shooter never intends to leave the scene alive then it's not any deterrence either


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Slapper on December 22, 2012, 04:07:29 PM
the guard wasn't much of an obstacle at Columbine and if the shooter never intends to leave the scene alive then it's not any deterrence either

Let me put it to you this way:

The local parking enforcer in my town is a nasty unarmed guard I tell to fuck off when he Riverdances on my last nerve.

The local cop has a gun and when he asks me to pull down my pants I do it.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: magikusar on December 22, 2012, 04:16:05 PM
Guard would have shot the madmen.



Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Al Doggity on December 22, 2012, 04:21:23 PM
Guard would have shot the madmen.



Why didn't he?


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: 24KT on December 22, 2012, 04:38:34 PM
Let me put it to you this way:

The local parking enforcer in my town is a nasty unarmed guard I tell to fuck off when he Riverdances on my last nerve.

The local cop has a gun and when he asks me to pull down my pants I do it.

That's only because you would gladly rather be sodomized than die.
The Dylan Kleibold's and Adam Lanza's of this world don't care about dying. They're looking to go out in a blaze of so called "glory".


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Slapper on December 22, 2012, 05:20:29 PM
That's only because you would gladly rather be sodomized than die.
The Dylan Kleibold's and Adam Lanza's of this world don't care about dying. They're looking to go out in a blaze of so called "glory".

And I don't care that they want to kill themselves, it's the "and the people around him" part that I have an issue with.

And an armed guard would take care of that issue for me.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: doison on December 22, 2012, 05:49:03 PM
If guns are illegal, there will be no crime. 

Why can't people see this?


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: AbrahamG on December 22, 2012, 05:56:35 PM
oh wait, they actually did have an armed guard

I guess in order to be safe we'll need one at every entrance, every floor and in every class room

and also every movie theater, shopping mall, barber shop, etc.....

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Pages/DEPUTIES_TEXT.htm



Didn't they actually have two?


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: 24KT on December 22, 2012, 06:40:53 PM
And I don't care that they want to kill themselves, it's the "and the people around him" part that I have an issue with.

And an armed guard would take care of that issue for me.

OK, I'll humour you. Let's say the armed guard is he buffer between school kids and he next awkward psychologically imbalanced kid. Now who protects the school kids from the armed guards?

The problem is people are responding as though there is a need to take care of the weapons he used. It's like allopathic 'so called' medicine. People are responding to the symptoms, and not the cause.

I don't think the problem was all the guns he had access to. Those guns were legal, simply stolen. Implementing gun control for this is like restricting vehicular control, judiciously determining who can own an SUV or not because some nutcase decided to steal one and tear through the grounds of Disneyland, plowing through groups of children on their way to meet Mickey.

I think mention of the mind bending medication he was on is conspicuously absent from the media reports. Why are people not addressing that? Wasn't the Virginia Tech shooter hopped up on meds as well?  What do these pharmaceutical companies put in their concoctions that so frequently result in guys going postal.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 22, 2012, 07:11:19 PM
he killed himself so why would he be deterred by a guard

the guard at Columbine didn't deter those two shooters but then they also killed themselves

laws banning certain types of guns wouldnt have detered them either but your hell bent on that...


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Straw Man on December 22, 2012, 07:23:14 PM
laws banning certain types of guns wouldnt have detered them either but your hell bent on that...

LOL @ hell bent

I've lost count of how many times I've said that I would prefer to see things like high capacity clips and certain guns banned NOT BECAUSE THEY WOULD PREVENT THESE THING FROM HAPPENING BUT BECAUSE THEY WOULD LESSEN THE AMOUNT OF DEATH AND INJURY

If the shooter in AZ had to reload @ 10 shots instead of 31 there would be a lot less injured and dead people

I'm not sure how much more clear I can make that


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 22, 2012, 07:32:10 PM
laws banning certain types of guns wouldnt have detered them either but your hell bent on that...
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LOL @ hell bent

I've lost count of how many times I've said that I would prefer to see things like high capacity clips and certain guns banned NOT BECAUSE THEY WOULD PREVENT THESE THING FROM HAPPENING BUT BECAUSE THEY WOULD LESSEN THE AMOUNT OF DEATH AND INJURY

If the shooter in AZ had to reload @ 10 shots instead of 31 there would be a lot less injured and dead people

I'm not sure how much more clear I can make that
Im not quite sure how much clearer I can make it either. Even if you limit the production of high cap magazines there are still millions of them in circulation now...

Even if you can get those out of circulation it is not difficult to train yourself to be quite proficient in changing magazines. The guy in arizona was carrying his magazines in his pocket supposedly....

The two biggest massacres in US history were committed with fertilizer and box cutters and a plane.

Taking guns away wont stop this maniacs, why are you not calling for a gun ban in afghanistan if you think it will work so well?


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 22, 2012, 07:33:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-6jXQ3FE4o
You think you would have enough time with this guys mag change straw?


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 22, 2012, 07:35:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksZqzPWm7VQ
how about this guy?


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 22, 2012, 07:36:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z67PNOuj93w

surely you would have enough time to bum rush this guy....


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 22, 2012, 07:39:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcHUZuyQjH8




Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 22, 2012, 07:40:33 PM
Now we can continue to rant and rave about the instrument these sociopaths are using or we can address the fact that they are sociopaths and deal with the root problem.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 22, 2012, 07:43:07 PM
A guy w a shotgun and 50 shells of 4 buck would have probably killed more people given the circumstances and time frame 


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Straw Man on December 22, 2012, 07:53:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-6jXQ3FE4o
You think you would have enough time with this guys mag change straw?

the shooter in AZ was only stopped when he was trying to reload

All the videos of guys under NO STRESS and who practice fast clip changes don't change that FACT

I guess if he were a professional soldier or a gun nut who practiced a lot he could have done it faster

how many of these shooting incidents involve people like that?

Aren't all these shooters usually crazy fucks and not rational, well trained people ?


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Straw Man on December 22, 2012, 07:56:09 PM
A guy w a shotgun and 50 shells of 4 buck would have probably killed more people given the circumstances and time frame 

what's the highest capacity shotgun ?

I'm guessing a lot less than 50 shells


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 22, 2012, 08:00:06 PM
what's the highest capacity shotgun ?

I'm guessing a lot less than 50 shells


I have a Saiga 12, Mossbeeg 500, Remi 870, as well as a Benelli 12 Guage. 

To be honest - were i going into a war zone or trying to go in for the kill, the Remi 870 pump action is what im going in with.   6 shots in the tube.   However, each shot of 4 buck into a crowd would do serious damage. 

Mossberg is great weapon as is the bennelli   The Saiga jams sometimes but its a semi auto.   



Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 22, 2012, 08:02:15 PM
the shooter in AZ was only stopped when he was trying to reload

All the videos of guys under NO STRESS and who practice fast clip changes don't change that FACT

I guess if he were a professional soldier or a gun nut who practiced a lot he could have done it faster

how many of these shooting incidents involve people like that?

Aren't all these shooters usually crazy fucks and not rational, well trained people ?
he was also carrying his extra mags in his pockets not in any case designed for easy access.

The reason ppl had enough time to jump him is b/c he dropped the magazine!!!

Youre proposed law is easy to get around and does not address the problem.

Do you not understand that?

YOURE NOT ADDRESSING THE PROBLEM!!!


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Straw Man on December 22, 2012, 08:14:20 PM
he was also carrying his extra mags in his pockets not in any case designed for easy access.

The reason ppl had enough time to jump him is b/c he dropped the magazine!!!

Youre proposed law is easy to get around and does not address the problem.

Do you not understand that?

YOURE NOT ADDRESSING THE PROBLEM!!!

do you understand that he was only stopped when he was trying to reload

YES or NO?


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 22, 2012, 08:21:35 PM
do you understand that he was only stopped when he was trying to reload

YES or NO?
absolutely, do you understand how easy it easy to practice and fast you can change a magazine when you have practiced it?

do you understand that he was carrying his magazine in his pants pocket and not in a case specifically designed for quick and easy access?

MOST IMPORTANTLY!!!

do you understand that guns arent whats causing these maniacs to do these things and that limiting or even banning all guns wont stop these ppl from killing others?

Do you understand youre not addressing the problem?


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 22, 2012, 08:25:07 PM
absolutely, do you understand how easy it easy to practice and fast you can change a magazine when you have practiced it?

do you understand that he was carrying his magazine in his pants pocket and not in a case specifically designed for quick and easy access?

MOST IMPORTANTLY!!!

do you understand that guns arent whats causing these maniacs to do these things and that limiting or even banning all guns wont stop these ppl from killing others?

Do you understand youre not addressing the problem?

In all honesty - I consider my pistol grip Mossberg 500 pistol grip 12 guage my most deadly weapon.  I haqve AR, AK, .308 sniper rifle, glocks, benelli, berettas, walthers, etc, 

But you know what 12 guage 00 buck and im filled with shells - thats hell right there


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: 240 is Back on December 22, 2012, 08:31:16 PM
coke vs pepsi.

9 mm vs 45.

dorian vs ronnie.

the debate continues


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 22, 2012, 08:32:49 PM
coke vs pepsi.

9 mm vs 45.

dorian vs ronnie.

the debate continues

for me - its best to have all of the above.   The only gun i still want i dont have is the SA SOCOM .308 Scout .  Its like 2,000 but i got to get it 
s


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Straw Man on December 22, 2012, 08:33:17 PM
absolutely, do you understand how easy it easy to practice and fast you can change a magazine when you have practiced it?

do you understand that he was carrying his magazine in his pants pocket and not in a case specifically designed for quick and easy access?

MOST IMPORTANTLY!!!

do you understand that guns arent whats causing these maniacs to do these things and that limiting or even banning all guns wont stop these ppl from killing others?

Do you understand youre not addressing the problem?

yes, guns are not CAUSING these people to commit mass murder

they are ALLOWING them to do it

we can't stop it

I think we can agree on that

if so, we can proceed to the strategy that we can find ways to limit their ability to kill

regardless of whether the shooter in AZ dropped his magazine HE STILL HAD TO STOP AND RELOAD





Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 22, 2012, 08:35:34 PM
yes, guns are not CAUSING these people to commit mass murder

they are ALLOWING them to do it

we can't stop it

I think we can agree on that

if so, we can proceed to the strategy that we can find ways to limit their ability to kill

regardless of whether the shooter in AZ dropped his magazine HE STILL HAD TO STOP AND RELOAD






Go read about Gacy , Dahmer, Gein, Berkowitz, Menendez, etc.   I truly believe Lanza was no different than a serial killer 


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Straw Man on December 22, 2012, 08:36:21 PM

Go read about Gacy , Dahmer, Gein, Berkowitz, Menendez, etc.   I truly believe Lanza was no different than a serial killer 

that's because you're a moron and apparently the dumbest lawyer in the world


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 22, 2012, 08:40:01 PM
yes, guns are not CAUSING these people to commit mass murder

they are ALLOWING them to do it

we can't stop it

I think we can agree on that

if so, we can proceed to the strategy that we can find ways to limit their ability to kill

regardless of whether the shooter in AZ dropped his magazine HE STILL HAD TO STOP AND RELOAD
Do you realize you are not addressing the cause of these attacks?

Again the two worst mass murders in US history were done without guns. You realize that if you actually address the problem then you might stop the attacks all together?


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 22, 2012, 08:42:06 PM
that's because you're a moron and apparently the dumbest lawyer in the world

So the guns caused him to go into that school? 

I have 5x the guns n my safe that Lanza's mom had and thousands of rounds of ammo and am not a threat to any one - yet you think this dude committed these crimes why? 


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Straw Man on December 22, 2012, 08:43:56 PM
Do you realize you are not addressing the cause of these attacks?

Again the two worst mass murders in US history were done without guns. You realize that if you actually address the problem then you might stop the attacks all together?

the cause is undiagnosed mental illness

if you have a solution to that then spill it

until then we have to find ways to lessen the ability to commit mass murder in 30 seconds


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Straw Man on December 22, 2012, 08:44:41 PM
So the guns caused him to go into that school? 

I have 5x the guns n my safe that Lanza's mom had and thousands of rounds of ammo and am not a threat to any one - yet you think this dude committed these crimes why? 

no

we've already established you're a moron

why do you keep offering more proof


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 22, 2012, 08:46:07 PM
the cause is undiagnosed mental illness

if you have a solution to that then spill it

until then we have to find ways to lessen the ability to commit mass murder in 30 seconds


This freak could have gotten a 5 gallon cannister of gas, a molotov cocktail, a pipe bomb, etc and done just as much harm 


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 22, 2012, 08:51:23 PM
the cause is undiagnosed mental illness

if you have a solution to that then spill it

until then we have to find ways to lessen the ability to commit mass murder in 30 seconds

You seem to be unable to understand that these crazies will always find a way to inflict as much death as possible. If it isnt a gun it will be some other medium like a bomb that they use.

How about investing in training and education on spotting the signs of mental illness and addressing it?

Your reaction is understandable but its a knee jerk reaction that will ultimately prove to be futile b/c it doesnt address the main underlying cause.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Straw Man on December 22, 2012, 08:55:42 PM
You seem to be unable to understand that these crazies will always find a way to inflict as much death as possible. If it isnt a gun it will be some other medium like a bomb that they use.

How about investing in training and education on spotting the signs of mental illness and addressing it?

Your reaction is understandable but its a knee jerk reaction that will ultimately prove to be futile b/c it doesnt address the main underlying cause.

I totally understand that

I don't think we can stop these guys and I don't think limiting their ability to kill is a bad thing

I'm guessing you think not having access to a 30 round clip is a worse thing than making those inaccessible to EVERYONE except LE


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 22, 2012, 08:58:48 PM
I totally understand that

I don't think we can stop these guys and I don't think limiting their ability to kill is a bad thing

I'm guessing you think not having access to a 30 round clip is a worse thing than making those inaccessible to EVERYONE except LE


Would not have mattered.   10 - 10 rounds clips is just as deadly. 

From what I gather - the mother is mostly to blame here along w this psychotic nut 


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Straw Man on December 22, 2012, 09:08:14 PM
Would not have mattered.   10 - 10 rounds clips is just as deadly. 

From what I gather - the mother is mostly to blame here along w this psychotic nut 

except he has to stop and reload

then factor in the human element and the fact that the person is CRAZY


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 22, 2012, 09:11:26 PM
except he has to stop and reload

then factor in the human element and the fact that the person is CRAZY

Correct - so he pulls out the handgun instead and starts blasting like VA Tech instead - you can stop crazy unless you shoot him 


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: 240 is Back on December 22, 2012, 09:12:04 PM
This freak could have gotten a 5 gallon cannister of gas, a molotov cocktail, a pipe bomb, etc and done just as much harm  

Correct.  I thought he left the rifle in the car, that it was twin handguns (both of which will remain legal) that were used for the shooting?

He could have thrown molotov cocktails, or just lit rubbing alcohol with lighters, and done way more harm to more people.  

Guns aren't the problem - the problem is 3 groups....
1) crazy douchebags out to kill
2) liberal idiots who blame guns for everything
3) far-right idiots who are itching for trigger time.



Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 22, 2012, 09:12:21 PM
I totally understand that

I don't think we can stop these guys and I don't think limiting their ability to kill is a bad thing

I'm guessing you think not having access to a 30 round clip is a worse thing than making those inaccessible to EVERYONE except LE
again with the magazine capacity thing, look I understand the reasoning behind your view point but you really must know its not realistic. A person who wants to commit acts like these often times plan their attacks. If they are going to plan their attacks do you not think they will practice changing out magazines?

Do you think you would have time to bum rush any of those guys in the videos I posted?

Or they could simply use multiple guns like they did at columbine and when one gun was empty just drop it and move on to the next one....

Ppl will find away around whatever laws you create. That doesnt mean we shouldnt put in place laws to stop these things from happening but they should be focused on the cause not the medium.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Straw Man on December 22, 2012, 09:17:48 PM
again with the magazine capacity thing, look I understand the reasoning behind your view point but you really must know its not realistic. A person who wants to commit acts like these often times plan their attacks. If they are going to plan their attacks do you not think they will practice changing out magazines?

Do you think you would have time to bum rush any of those guys in the videos I posted?

Or they could simply use multiple guns like they did at columbine and when one gun was empty just drop it and move on to the next one....

Ppl will find away around whatever laws you create. That doesnt mean we shouldnt put in place laws to stop these things from happening but they should be focused on the cause not the medium.


the examples I'm pointing to actually happened

how much more realistic do you need?


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 22, 2012, 09:25:54 PM
the examples I'm pointing to actually happened

how much more realistic do you need?
and I can point to many others where they were able to change mags or used multiple guns so they didnt have to change mags.

Like I said, its very easy to get around...The example your using is the exception to the rule not the rule.

Do you not see from the videos I posted how quickly someone can change a magazine when they practice it and have the proper equipment?

Youre pointing out one example there are many examples where it wouldnt have made a difference at all.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Al Doggity on December 22, 2012, 09:32:09 PM
How about investing in training and education on spotting the signs of mental illness and addressing it?

You've  posted this in other threads. What do you mean by "addressing" it?


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 22, 2012, 09:33:27 PM
You've  posted this in other threads. What do you mean by "addressing" it?


PT and beat the living shit of these slackers unil they are set strsight. 

PT, situps, pushups, negatives, dips 


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Al Doggity on December 22, 2012, 09:41:19 PM

PT and beat the living shit of these slackers unil they are set strsight.  

PT, situps, pushups, negatives, dips  

No, seriously. Do you feel the same way as McTones?

 I've been busy with Christmas and work stuff and haven't been able to add much more than a line or two to these threads, but I've tried to keep up with the comments. I noticed the thread McTones started calling out Libs on what gun control measures we'd enact. I've seen him post in multiple threads that "addressing" the mental illness would be a better solution.  What kind of "addressing" does he think would be better than gun control?


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 22, 2012, 09:41:54 PM
You've  posted this in other threads. What do you mean by "addressing" it?
depends on the type of mental illness and severity of it.

But for the sake of keeping this discussion going identifying the disorder. Educating the person, their family, educators, handlers etc on their condition. Making sure that those individual have proper pschiatric treatment, supervision and medicating them if necessary


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 22, 2012, 09:43:27 PM
No, seriously. Do you feel the same way as McTones?

 I've been busy with Christmas and work stuff and haven't been able to add much more than a line or two to these threads, but I've tried to keep up with the comments. I noticed the thread McTones started calling out Libs on what gun control measures we'd enact. I've seen him post in multiple threads that "addressing" the mental illness would be a better solution.  What kind of "addressing" does he think would be better than gun control?
so you think that getting rid of guns will stop these crazies?

why are you not yelling for a gun ban in afghanistan?

guns arent the problem, you know that right?


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 22, 2012, 09:44:09 PM
No, seriously. Do you feel the same way as McTones?

 I've been busy with Christmas and work stuff and haven't been able to add much more than a line or two to these threads, but I've tried to keep up with the comments. I noticed the thread McTones started calling out Libs on what gun control measures we'd enact. I've seen him post in multiple threads that "addressing" the mental illness would be a better solution.  What kind of "addressing" does he think would be better than gun control?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TNhS81w4bM


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: 240 is Back on December 22, 2012, 09:45:21 PM
it's tricky here....

we can beat the shit out of people who are crazy.
we can lock them up or give them lobotamies..

but that's not republican thinking, live and let live, stay out of peoples lives... that's kinda a nanny state thinking.
I dont claim to know what the solution is, but I know more govt paperwork limiting peoples freedoms isn't something ron paul would like, and sounds like something obama woudl love.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 22, 2012, 09:47:08 PM
it's tricky here....

we can beat the shit out of people who are crazy.
we can lock them up or give them lobotamies..

but that's not republican thinking, live and let live, stay out of peoples lives... that's kinda a nanny state thinking.
I dont claim to know what the solution is, but I know more govt paperwork limiting peoples freedoms isn't something ron paul would like, and sounds like something obama woudl love.
I dont see educating ppl on how to identify and deal with mental illness is limiting ppls freedoms.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Al Doggity on December 22, 2012, 09:53:36 PM
I dont see educating ppl on how to identify and deal with mental illness is limiting ppls freedoms.

How do you think people should deal with mental illness that would be a better solution than gun control?


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Al Doggity on December 22, 2012, 09:55:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TNhS81w4bM

Didn't one of the cadets end up blowing his commanding officer's brains out, then committing suicide? What point are trying to make that I'm missing?


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: 240 is Back on December 22, 2012, 10:08:00 PM
I dont see educating ppl on how to identify and deal with mental illness is limiting ppls freedoms.


I quoted 333386.  he didn't say anything about "educating" people.  :)  Rather,

PT and beat the living shit of these slackers unil they are set strsight. 

PT, situps, pushups, negatives, dips 

To me, a govt that will beat the shit out of people and force them to exercise sounds like a michelle obama wet dream.   Ron Paul wouldn't force people with medical conditions to do pushups, nor beat them physically. 


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: AbrahamG on December 22, 2012, 10:20:34 PM
Time to end this thread once and for all.
GUNS ARE FOR PUSSIES!


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: headhuntersix on December 23, 2012, 01:57:52 AM
I have a Saiga 12, Mossbeeg 500, Remi 870, as well as a Benelli 12 Guage. 

To be honest - were i going into a war zone or trying to go in for the kill, the Remi 870 pump action is what im going in with.   6 shots in the tube.   However, each shot of 4 buck into a crowd would do serious damage. 

Mossberg is great weapon as is the bennelli   The Saiga jams sometimes but its a semi auto.   



 I like my Bennelli.....don't shoot it enough but it looks cool as hell. 

Tommy...post of the year with all the vids.....besides if you ban high capacity mags like 15 rnd 9mms....the rest of us will buy bigger 10 rnd handguns....libs are idiots.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: headhuntersix on December 23, 2012, 01:59:46 AM
Time to end this thread once and for all.
GUNS ARE FOR PUSSIES!


You're a pussy....how about that.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 23, 2012, 05:37:42 AM
How do you think people should deal with mental illness that would be a better solution than gun control?
depends on the type of mental illness and severity of it.

But for the sake of keeping this discussion going identifying the disorder. Educating the person, their family, educators, handlers etc on their condition. Making sure that those individual have proper pschiatric treatment, supervision and medicating them if necessary
did you miss this post?


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Straw Man on December 23, 2012, 01:18:55 PM
and I can point to many others where they were able to change mags or used multiple guns so they didnt have to change mags.

Like I said, its very easy to get around...The example your using is the exception to the rule not the rule.

Do you not see from the videos I posted how quickly someone can change a magazine when they practice it and have the proper equipment?

Youre pointing out one example there are many examples where it wouldnt have made a difference at all.

I think I've said this a few times already. There is a difference between a sane person who has a lot of experience with guns, who practices how to change a magazine quickly and then videos himself doing it under absolutely NO STRESS and then posts the best video of himself on the web......

AND

and insane person with little or no experience with guns who has finally has a mental breakdown and decides to kill a bunch of people and then proceeds to do so with all the stress, pandemonium and chaos of an actual shooting

even the trained person could fuck up under those circumstance much less the untrained person who is mentally ill

I'd rather increase the odds of survival in favor of the innocent victims






Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: AbrahamG on December 23, 2012, 05:14:50 PM

You're a pussy....how about that.

Ouch, I must have hit a nerve.  Now go and powder your vagina.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 23, 2012, 05:54:35 PM
I think I've said this a few times already. There is a difference between a sane person who has a lot of experience with guns, who practices how to change a magazine quickly and then videos himself doing it under absolutely NO STRESS and then posts the best video of himself on the web......

AND

and insane person with little or no experience with guns who has finally has a mental breakdown and decides to kill a bunch of people and then proceeds to do so with all the stress, pandemonium and chaos of an actual shooting

even the trained person could fuck up under those circumstance much less the untrained person who is mentally ill

I'd rather increase the odds of survival in favor of the innocent victims
so its your contention these attacks are spontaneous and not pre planned?

Id rather increase the chance or survival as well but by addressing the problem as the source...Not by taking away the medium of choice at the moment leaving these individuals to simply choose another medium....



Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Straw Man on December 23, 2012, 06:57:46 PM
so its your contention these attacks are spontaneous and not pre planned?
I never said that

go back and read my post

I think everything I've said (and repeated at least a few times) is very clear

Don't turn into McWay on me
Id rather increase the chance or survival as well but by addressing the problem as the source...Not by taking away the medium of choice at the moment leaving these individuals to simply choose another medium....

fine by me

the shooter in CO had a 100 round drum magazine

I'd prefer if that wasn't available for the next nut job


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: 240 is Back on December 23, 2012, 07:37:46 PM
the shooter in CO had a 100 round drum magazine

I'd prefer if that wasn't available for the next nut job


33 and tony,

are you okay with ANY limit on magazine size?  Are you okay with a 200 round handgun magazine, if it would work efficiently?


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tbombz on December 23, 2012, 08:03:38 PM
OMG!!!  I can't even see the roughest highschool in one of our toughest neighbourhoods being in need of a cop. What are American schools like?!  :o :o  :o :o
american kids are gangster as shit. last year at the high school i went to  this girl strabbed another girl in the stomach in the hallway and theres was a huge pool of blood on the ground and everything. the school recently put up a giant steel fence all around its borders, partly cuz of that incident. we had lots of stabbings when i was in high school, but they would happen after school at a nearby park where the mexicans would go for their fights. we always had lots of fights and when they happened they were a festival/celebration/entertainmen for the rest of us. i remember one year me and my friend got called into the deans office because the schools security camera had caught us on tape instigating a fight  between two kids and once it started we were both jumping up and down excited and my friend was giving high-5's to everybody. funny shit (at the time).   long story short...   we have a ton of violence. kids here glorify the hell out of it and actively seek out confrontation.   its like that old saying "I wish a motha fucka would.."  <- thats the mentality for alot of kids (praying somebody would disrespect them or give any reason to punch them in the face)

another story from when i was in high school.. this kid in me p.e. class always got picked on by everybody... one day after school while waiting for the bus he said something stupid to this guy who is in our class and who hated him..  kid got knocked out with a single punch and while laying on the cement unconscious in front of hundreds of other kids the guy who knocked him out unzipped his pants, pulled out his dick, and pissed all over the kids face and body.  ;D  for the rest of that year everybody would always say shit like "GOT PEED ON!!" and "smells like piss!" whenever hed come around.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Al Doggity on December 23, 2012, 08:35:07 PM
Yeah... I missed your earlier reply.
so you think that getting rid of guns will stop these crazies?

why are you not yelling for a gun ban in afghanistan?

guns arent the problem, you know that right?


Why are you not screaming about mental health policy in Afghanistan? I live in America. Whatever interest I have in American gun policy is PRACTICAL, not theorectical. And I'm not "screaming for a gun ban", I'm supporting rational gun control.
depends on the type of mental illness and severity of it.

But for the sake of keeping this discussion going identifying the disorder. Educating the person, their family, educators, handlers etc on their condition. Making sure that those individual have proper pschiatric treatment, supervision and medicating them if necessary


What does this even mean? I mean, I'm all for responsible mental health policy and our society can do better, but in a practical sense, what does this mean in regards to gun violence? "Educating people" and "making sure they have proper psychiatric treatment"? This is like a  gun control advocate saying "making sure only responsible citizens have guns". Most of these shooters managed their lives on  day to day basis. Are you advocating legislation to put someone in charge of them?  This is more a nice idea, than  a realistic way to bureaucratically deal with mental illness.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Al Doggity on December 23, 2012, 08:39:25 PM
Do you realize you are not addressing the cause of these attacks?

Again the two worst mass murders in US history were done without guns. You realize that if you actually address the problem then you might stop the attacks all together?


Why do you keep repeating this? Is your point that there are things that can be deadlier than guns? 
Following the world trade attacks, anything that could be remotely used as a weapon was banned on a plane, anyone who had the faintest ties to anything middle eastern was flagged and everyone had to go through tedious security checks. How do you figure this is attacking the problem at the source. That is more akin to stringent gun control than "addressing the problem".

But if you want to make the argument that steps were taken to "address the root of the problem", fine, I won't argue with you. Both steps were taken; preventative and reactionary. So, why so insistent that an either/or approach is the only option? From what we know, there's a possibility Lanza's spree was set off when he found out that his mother was considering committing him after he'd become too difficult to handle on her own. So, it looks like "addressing the root of the problem" was not the way to go in this situation. And who knows if there's any gun control policy that could have prevented it?  What  situations like this require is that we learn from them and prepare to do better in the future. No law or policy is enacted with the intention  that it will be 100% fool-proof and never violated. The intention is always to do the best in mitigating worst-case scenarios based on what we've seen happen in the past.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 24, 2012, 06:08:08 AM
Yeah... I missed your earlier reply.
Why are you not screaming about mental health policy in Afghanistan? I live in America. Whatever interest I have in American gun policy is PRACTICAL, not theorectical. And I'm not "screaming for a gun ban", I'm supporting rational gun control.

What does this even mean? I mean, I'm all for responsible mental health policy and our society can do better, but in a practical sense, what does this mean in regards to gun violence? "Educating people" and "making sure they have proper psychiatric treatment"? This is like a  gun control advocate saying "making sure only responsible citizens have guns". Most of these shooters managed their lives on  day to day basis. Are you advocating legislation to put someone in charge of them?  This is more a nice idea, than  a realistic way to bureaucratically deal with mental illness.
Ive asked many times what rational controls you want and how they would prevent the incidents your using to push them and have not received an answer...

Many of these ppl commiting these crimes didnt receive proper medical care. Likely they didnt even know they were mentally ill in the first place. Likely their parents, friends and educators didnt know they were mentally ill. Im not suggesting they have a 24/7 handler but making sure they get the proper treatment whether its education, therapy, medication etc. IS ADDRESSING THE PROBLEM!!!!!



Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Radical Plato on December 24, 2012, 06:13:53 AM
The Nutters are just pissed because one of their own went and shot up a school full of kids.  The Shooter wasn't mentally ill, he was just another ANGRY Gun Nutter.  Another solution is too just lock up all the ANGRY GUN Nutters, this could have a serious impact, but it may reduce the GETBIG members significantly. (Cue the angry Gun Nutters in 3....2.....1....)


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 24, 2012, 06:16:55 AM
(Cue the angry Gun Nutters in 3....2.....1....)
so...your another jagson gimmick!!!!

The Nutters are just pissed because one of their own went and shot up a school full of kids.  The Shooter wasn't mentally ill, he was just another ANGRY Gun Nutter.  Another solution is too just lock up all the ANGRY GUN Nutters, this could have a serious impact, but it may reduce the GETBIG members significantly.
This guy wasnt a gun nut, he didnt even own a gun...

His mother was worried about his mental state as were others as well.

He certainly was angry though, must have been all those lowd scawy guns around him that made him go off right E-Kunt?


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Radical Plato on December 24, 2012, 06:22:12 AM
so...your another jagson gimmick!!!!
This guy wasnt a gun nut, he didnt even own a gun...

His mother was worried about his mental state as were others as well.

He certainly was angry though, must have been all those lowd scawy guns around him that made him go off right E-Kunt?

Of Course he was a Gun Nutter, his mother has been quoted as saying he was a keen beginner enthusiast, how could he not be, being raised with a Gun Nutter as a Mother.  He knew enough to "jungle tape" his .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle for efficient killing.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 24, 2012, 06:25:35 AM
Of Course he was a Gun Nutter, his mother has been quoted as saying he was a keen beginner enthusiast, how could he not be, being raised with a Gun Nutter as a Mother.
First what does his mother liking guns have to do with him?

Second LOL nice lie, please cite your source as there is nothing on the net the seems to back up your assertion


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Radical Plato on December 24, 2012, 06:26:32 AM
First what does his mother liking guns have to do with him?

Second LOL nice lie, please cite your source as there is nothing on the net the seems to back up your assertion
He knew enough to "jungle tape" his .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle for efficient killing.  Hardly the domain of those who aren't particularly interested in guns!


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 24, 2012, 06:34:39 AM
He knew enough to "jungle tape" his .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle for efficient killing.  Hardly the domain of those who aren't particularly interested in guns!
so your admitting you made up that statement then, yea?

right b/c ppl never do that in movies, tv shows, video games(which we know he played)...

He didnt "jungle tape" his gun you retard he taped his magazines together.

Have you ever shot a gun?


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Radical Plato on December 24, 2012, 06:49:40 AM
so your admitting you made up that statement then, yea?

right b/c ppl never do that in movies, tv shows, video games(which we know he played)...

He didnt "jungle tape" his gun you retard he taped his magazines together.

Have you ever shot a gun?

"jungle taping," meaning he taped two ammo cartridges to the side of the gun so he wouldn't have to pause to reload. He also used frangible ammunition" which fragments upon impact and is used to cause the most possible damage to a victim, he was also wearing military gear, a bulletproof vest and mask, this kid knew what he was doing, hardly some inexperienced marksmen picking up a gun in anger, this was someone, who was being raised by your typical extremist gun nut, who regularly practised and knew about guns from an enthusiasts point of view. According to Nancy Lanza's sister-in-law, she was a gun enthusiast and owned at least a dozen firearms. She often took her two sons to a local shooting range. Nancy Lanza's former landscaper and occasional drinking buddy Dan Holmes has described her relationship with guns as that of "an enthusiast," so much so that she "wanted to pass it on to her kids."  She sure did, she created the uber Gun Nutter!  CBS News' Pat Milton reports source briefed on the investigation said Nancy Lanza was demanding of her children, she pressed him to high standards and even pressed her sons to measure up at the shooting range where she taught them to shoot.  According to Dr. H. Wayne Carver, Connecticut’s chief medical examiner.  “He must have been a good shot,” These are devastating sets of injuries.”  Nancys friends told NBC's Today Show that "Guns require a lot of respect," he added. "She really tried to instill that responsibility within him and he took to it. He loved being careful with them, he made it a source of pride." - Yep, sounds like the classic Gun Nutter to me


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 24, 2012, 06:56:39 AM
"jungle taping," meaning he taped two ammo cartridges to the side of the gun so he wouldn't have to pause to reload. He also used frangible ammunition" which fragments upon impact and is used to cause the most possible damage to a victim, this kid knew what he was doing, hardly some inexperienced marksmen picking up a gun in anger, this was someone, who was being raised by your typical extremist gun nut, who regularly practised and knew about guns from an enthusiasts point of view.  Nancy Lanza's former landscaper and occasional drinking buddy Dan Holmes has described her relationship with guns as that of "an enthusiast," so much so that she "wanted to pass it on to her kids."  She sure did, she created the uber Gun Nutter!
LMFAO he would still have to pause to reload, again have you ever shot a gun???

Did he buy the ammo or did his mom?

He got the guns from her, he probably used the ammo she had as well

So again you have that his mom was an gun enthusiast....not that he was....


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Skip8282 on December 24, 2012, 06:58:28 AM
elementary schools need one cop.

1-2 for middle schools, depending upon the size.

2-3 for high schools, depending upon size.

I've taught at every level from K to adult, and schools need a cop, it's that simple.  high schools already have cops, as do most middle schools.  You can't break up a fight in high school - kids are stronger than the teachers sometimes.



I don't see how you can get these numbers.  Even for the elementary...you've got to factor in sick days, vacation time, and since they'll probably be union, personal days, etc.  Just one, would leave you without coverage.

Basically, I just see this as being way way too expensive.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Straw Man on December 24, 2012, 08:01:32 AM
The Nutters are just pissed because one of their own went and shot up a school full of kids.  The Shooter wasn't mentally ill, he was just another ANGRY Gun Nutter.  Another solution is too just lock up all the ANGRY GUN Nutters, this could have a serious impact, but it may reduce the GETBIG members significantly. (Cue the angry Gun Nutters in 3....2.....1....)

reports in the media have people who knew him describe him as  “an organic vegan” with a conservative worldview, he said.
“He was actually politically aware for a teenager,” he said. “… He was always very free-market economics and capitalism, as I think most people are in this country.”

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/17/15976160-new-details-emerge-on-private-lives-of-school-gunman-adam-lanza-and-his-mother?lite

Obviously the mother owned a bunch of guns and she and her son were reported to have practiced shooting together so they would both no doubt be on the side of people who opposed any gun legislation

so....it's not at all unfair to describe the nutjob as "one of their own"



Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 24, 2012, 08:05:18 AM
reports in the media have people who knew him describe him as  “an organic vegan” with a conservative worldview, he said.
“He was actually politically aware for a teenager,” he said. “… He was always very free-market economics and capitalism, as I think most people are in this country.”

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/17/15976160-new-details-emerge-on-private-lives-of-school-gunman-adam-lanza-and-his-mother?lite

Obviously the mother owned a bunch of guns and she and her son were reported to have practiced shooting together so they would both no doubt be on the side of people who opposed any gun legislation

so....it's not at all unfair to describe the nutjob as "one of their own"


LMFAO so again you have nothing...all of a sudden conservatives with a free market opinion are now gun nuts?

hahahaha fuking wow!!!!

so all ppl who own guns are against any gun legislation?

AGAIN FUKING WOW hahahahah


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Straw Man on December 24, 2012, 08:09:24 AM
LMFAO so again you have nothing...all of a sudden conservatives with a free market opinion are now gun nuts?

hahahaha fuking wow!!!!

so all ppl who own guns are against any gun legislation?

AGAIN FUKING WOW hahahahah

great reading comprehension there



Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 24, 2012, 08:11:59 AM
great reading comprehension there


LOL well then why would you even post that paragraph?


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: anabolichalo on December 24, 2012, 08:26:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-6jXQ3FE4o
You think you would have enough time with this guys mag change straw?
what are we supposed to be looking for in this video


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: tonymctones on December 24, 2012, 08:34:46 AM
what are we supposed to be looking for in this video
how quickly he can change his magazine out.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: 240 is Back on December 24, 2012, 08:37:23 AM


I don't see how you can get these numbers.  Even for the elementary...you've got to factor in sick days, vacation time, and since they'll probably be union, personal days, etc.  Just one, would leave you without coverage.

Basically, I just see this as being way way too expensive.

I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree.  I was a teacher from 98 til 04 or 05.  

I can tell you that every school has a few 'roamers' - people with masters degrees making 60k who just kinda bounce around with clipboards helping out and looking busy.  

I can also tell ya that every school has $40,000 computer projecters in about 40 of the classrooms.  Every school has a half-dozen cafeteria workers, a half-dozen custodians, and 18 kids in every class by law now for elementary.

You can move up the kids per class to 20.  You can remove 2 of those smart projectors.  You can find the doggone money.  A cop salary in FL is $40,000.  Let's call it $80k, if you want a guy with a few years and/or you want ot include benefits.  $80k will cover a year of having a trained man with a gun and a badge and a uniform at every school office to be seen.  bad guys will just choose another target.

They already have these cops in middle and high school, just to control the kids lol.  So one add'l paid position in a school that has 90 to 200 employees isn't that big.  These schools have HUGE budgets.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Al Doggity on December 24, 2012, 09:13:41 AM

Many of these ppl commiting these crimes didnt receive proper medical care. Likely they didnt even know they were mentally ill in the first place. Likely their parents, friends and educators didnt know they were mentally ill. Im not suggesting they have a 24/7 handler but making sure they get the proper treatment whether its education, therapy, medication etc. IS ADDRESSING THE PROBLEM!!!!!


Again, what does this mean?? If you are not suggesting a 24/7 handler, how do you make sure someone gets proper treatment? Especially, if, as you just said, they and their family and acquaintances aren't even aware they are mentally ill? In a way that is more effective than gun control?


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Radical Plato on December 24, 2012, 09:23:31 AM
Again, what does this mean?? If you are not suggesting a 24/7 handler, how do you make sure someone gets proper treatment? Especially, if, as you just said, they and their family and acquaintances aren't even aware they are mentally ill? In a way that is more effective than gun control?

The focus on mental illness is misguided, studies show that those with mental illness are less likely to commit violent crime and more likely to be a victim of violent crime.  it's the so called NORMAL people you have to worry about.  The kids who perform these mass shooting are barely indistinguishable from the large majority of their peer group, young people seem weird and abnormal in general to a lot of parents and older folk, hard to tell what's normal and what's not, even for the young kids themselves. The kids who do these shooting are Incredibly RAGE filled, one girl, a 6 year old survivor said the shooter was an incredibly angry man.  And RAGE is the emotion that can cause even well adjusted people to behave in irrational and dangerous ways.  Everybody could do with some Emotional fine tuning, not just those who are mentally ill, society needs to discover ways to CALM their young people down, I don't pretend to know the answers, but focusing on the mentally ill seems to be a cop out and a scapegoat for pro Gun Advocates.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Al Doggity on December 24, 2012, 09:29:53 AM
The focus on mental illness is misguided, studies show that those with mental illness are less likely to commit violent crime and more likely to be a victim of violent crime.  it's the so called NORMAL people you have to worry about.  The kids who perform these mass shooting are barely indistinguishable from the large majority of their peer group, young people seem weird and abnormal in general to a lot of parents and older folk, hard to tell what's normal and what's not, even for the young kids themselves. The kids who do these shooting are Incredibly RAGE filled, one girl, a 6 year old survivor said the shooter was an incredibly angry man.  And RAGE is the emotion that can cause even well adjusted people to behave in irrational and dangerous ways.  Everybody could do with some Emotional fine tuning, not just those who are mentally ill, society needs to discover ways to CALM their young people down, I don't pretend to know the answers, but focusing on the mentally ill seems to be a cop out and a scapegoat for pro Gun Advocates.

But my point is, how does one even enforce these ideas- on a bureaucratic level- in a way that would be better than gun control?  For instance, in a real world situation,  how would a neighbor of Lanza's have received "education" and the ability to "make sure he was taking his medication", if he required any.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: 24KT on December 31, 2012, 02:53:36 AM

I think mention of the mind bending medication he was on is conspicuously absent from the media reports. Why are people not addressing that? Wasn't the Virginia Tech shooter hopped up on meds as well?  What do these pharmaceutical companies put in their concoctions that so frequently result in guys going postal.

School Shootings and Their Link to Psychotropic Drugs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6zahJJojjY


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: loco on December 31, 2012, 12:35:07 PM
The kind of people taking jobs as armed guards at a school would do so in the hopes they'll never be needed.  If the time does come for them to face armored, heavily armed mass murderers, most of these armed guards will say "The heck with this, I don't get paid enough to die like this."

A real cop or a soldier is a different story.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: 24KT on December 31, 2012, 12:48:33 PM
How do you think people should deal with mental illness that would be a better solution than gun control?

Provide them with safer medications for a start, and certainly not ones that exacerbate the demons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6zahJJojjY


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: 24KT on December 31, 2012, 12:57:18 PM
american kids are gangster as shit. last year at the high school i went to  this girl strabbed another girl in the stomach in the hallway and theres was a huge pool of blood on the ground and everything. ...{post snipped for the sake of brevity}  for the rest of that year everybody would always say shit like "GOT PEED ON!!" and "smells like piss!" whenever hed come around.

Wow, I really wish I hadn't read that. With such brazen examples of depravity... why are people questioning how these things are happening. What kind of a society breeds such sadistic little monsters?


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: 24KT on December 31, 2012, 01:02:11 PM
The Nutters are just pissed because one of their own went and shot up a school full of kids.  The Shooter wasn't mentally ill, he was just another ANGRY Gun Nutter.  Another solution is too just lock up all the ANGRY GUN Nutters, this could have a serious impact, but it may reduce the GETBIG members significantly. (Cue the angry Gun Nutters in 3....2.....1....)

I doubt it would do anything to reduce the membership size here significantly, ...but if the right angry gun-nutter was locked away where he couldn't do any harm to others, ...it might reduce the number of anti-Obama postings big time.  ;D


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: 24KT on December 31, 2012, 01:06:16 PM
Of Course he was a Gun Nutter, his mother has been quoted as saying he was a keen beginner enthusiast, how could he not be, being raised with a Gun Nutter as a Mother.  He knew enough to "jungle tape" his .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle for efficient killing.

The Bushmaster never even made it out of the trunk of Lanza's car.

Too many discrepancies, flat out inaccuracies, and back pedaling to believe anything about the official story other than a lot of children were murdered, ...and alot of adults are looking to exploit their slaughter for their own agenda.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Shockwave on December 31, 2012, 01:34:40 PM
The Bushmaster never even made it out of the trunk of Lanza's car.

Too many discrepancies, flat out inaccuracies, and back pedaling to believe anything about the official story other than a lot of children were murdered, ...and alot of adults are looking to exploit their slaughter for their own agenda.
Agree. And lol at the "jungle taping" comment, more sensationalism and fear mongering... There is a reason no military units tape magazines together.

Taping mags together is shit they do in movies to look cool.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: blacken700 on December 31, 2012, 01:51:21 PM
The Bushmaster never even made it out of the trunk of Lanza's car.

Too many discrepancies, flat out inaccuracies, and back pedaling to believe anything about the official story other than a lot of children were murdered, ...and alot of adults are looking to exploit their slaughter for their own agenda.

he did use that bushmaster in the school


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: 24KT on December 31, 2012, 02:04:03 PM
he did use that bushmaster in the school

No he didn't blacken.

The media reported he did after getting the memo.
Same with the medical examiner. All spoke of handguns. It wasn't until afterwards the medical examiner came on board to say he had examined the bodies and they were killed with the bushmaster.

Except the Sheriff reported finding the bushmaster in the trunk of the vehicle after it was all over. There is even video ape of him retrieving the weapon. It never left the car, ...but like the mayor of Chicago says "Never let a crisis go to waste" and the memo went out, ...and Adam Lanza became the lone gunman, and the Bushmaster became the weapon that did the deed.

Things are becoming so blatant these days, I wouldn't have been surprised if a spokesperson issued a statement saying the murder weapon was a tax cut for the top 1%. Anything to fit the agenda.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: blacken700 on December 31, 2012, 02:08:40 PM
CNN) -- Adam Lanza brought three weapons inside Sandy Hook Elementary school on December 14 and left a fourth in his car, police said. Those weapons were a Bushmaster AR-15 rifle and two handguns -- a Glock 10 mm and a Sig Sauer 9 mm.
 
In the car he left a shotgun, about which police have offered no details. Lanza used one of the handguns to take his own life, although police haven't said whether the gun was the Glock or the Sig Sauer.
 
In fact many details remain unknown about the weapons Lanza used that day to kill 20 children, his own mother, six other adults and then himself. Here's what is known so far:
 
Bushmaster AR-15 rifle
The primary weapon used in the attack was a "Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon," said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance. The rifle is a Bushmaster version of a widely made AR-15, the civilian version of the M-16 rifle used by the U.S. military. The original M-16 patent ran out years ago, and now the AR-15 is manufactured by several gunmakers. Unlike the military version, the AR-15 is a semiautomatic, firing one bullet per squeeze of the trigger. But like the M-16, ammunition is loaded through a magazine. In the school shooting, police say Lanza's rifle used numerous 30-round magazines.
 
An AR-15 is usually capable of firing a rate of 45 rounds per minute in semiautomatic mode.
 
Police didn't offer details about the specific model of the rifle Lanza used. A typical Bushmaster rifle, such as the M4 model, comes with a 30-round magazine but can use magazines of various capacities from five to 40 rounds. An M4 weighs about 6 ½ pounds and retails for about $1,300.
 
Under the 1994 federal ban on such weapons, buying some variants of new AR-15s was against the law. The ban expired in 2004.
 
Bushmaster is the No. 1 supplier of AR-15 rifles in the United States, according to the company website.
 
Their weapons are used by more than 100 police departments and by the militaries of 50 nations, according to Bushmaster. Private citizens use them for "hunting, recreation, competition and home defense and security," the website says.
 
Gun control: 'This one feels different'
 
Glock 10 mm handgun
 







Conn. Police: We have to be sensitive







Investigation to be 'long, painstaking'







Australia's reaction to mass shootings
Police haven't said what kind of Glock 10 mm handgun Lanza used. But Glock lists two types on its website, including the Glock 20 and Glock 29.
 
Lanza had "multiple magazines" for the Glock, Vance said. Such magazines are widely available.
 
The Glock 20 model has a 15-round magazine. Glock describes it as an ideal weapon for hunting because of its larger bullets, referred to as the ammunition's caliber.
 
The Glock 20 measures nearly 8 ¼ inches long and weighs about 2 ½ pounds when loaded, according to Glock's website.
 
Guns and Ammo magazine said of Glocks: "They point naturally, their triggers aren't too heavy ... but most importantly of all, they're reliable."
 
Sig Sauer 9 mm handgun
 
The other handgun police said Lanza had with him during the school massacre was a Sig Sauer. Authorities didn't say what kind, but possibilities include the P226, P229 or P250, P290, and if it was an older pistol, possibly the P220. The 9 mm P220 is no longer sold in the United States
 
Like the Glock, Lanza's Sig Sauer also allowed a high-capacity magazine, Vance said. Lanza used "multiple magazines" that are widely available to feed ammunition to the Sig Sauer, Vance said. Sig Sauer makes 9 mm pistol magazines with a maximum capacity of 20 bullets.
 
And like the Glock, Vance said the Sig Sauer handgun was a semiautomatic.
 
The P226 has a 15-round magazine, measures 7 ¾ inches and costs about $1,142, according to Sig Sauer's website. They can be found cheaper at some gun shops.
 
The Handguns magazine website says of the P226: "Adopted by the [Navy] SEALs nonetheless, it has proven to be durable, reliable, accurate and adaptable. What it has not had a reputation for is compactness."


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Shockwave on December 31, 2012, 02:54:19 PM
CNN) -- Adam Lanza brought three weapons inside Sandy Hook Elementary school on December 14 and left a fourth in his car, police said. Those weapons were a Bushmaster AR-15 rifle and two handguns -- a Glock 10 mm and a Sig Sauer 9 mm.
 
In the car he left a shotgun, about which police have offered no details. Lanza used one of the handguns to take his own life, although police haven't said whether the gun was the Glock or the Sig Sauer.
 
In fact many details remain unknown about the weapons Lanza used that day to kill 20 children, his own mother, six other adults and then himself. Here's what is known so far:
 
Bushmaster AR-15 rifle
The primary weapon used in the attack was a "Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon," said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance. The rifle is a Bushmaster version of a widely made AR-15, the civilian version of the M-16 rifle used by the U.S. military. The original M-16 patent ran out years ago, and now the AR-15 is manufactured by several gunmakers. Unlike the military version, the AR-15 is a semiautomatic, firing one bullet per squeeze of the trigger. But like the M-16, ammunition is loaded through a magazine. In the school shooting, police say Lanza's rifle used numerous 30-round magazines.
 
An AR-15 is usually capable of firing a rate of 45 rounds per minute in semiautomatic mode.
 
Police didn't offer details about the specific model of the rifle Lanza used. A typical Bushmaster rifle, such as the M4 model, comes with a 30-round magazine but can use magazines of various capacities from five to 40 rounds. An M4 weighs about 6 ½ pounds and retails for about $1,300.
 
Under the 1994 federal ban on such weapons, buying some variants of new AR-15s was against the law. The ban expired in 2004.
 
Bushmaster is the No. 1 supplier of AR-15 rifles in the United States, according to the company website.
 
Their weapons are used by more than 100 police departments and by the militaries of 50 nations, according to Bushmaster. Private citizens use them for "hunting, recreation, competition and home defense and security," the website says.
 
Gun control: 'This one feels different'
 
Glock 10 mm handgun
 







Conn. Police: We have to be sensitive







Investigation to be 'long, painstaking'







Australia's reaction to mass shootings
Police haven't said what kind of Glock 10 mm handgun Lanza used. But Glock lists two types on its website, including the Glock 20 and Glock 29.
 
Lanza had "multiple magazines" for the Glock, Vance said. Such magazines are widely available.
 
The Glock 20 model has a 15-round magazine. Glock describes it as an ideal weapon for hunting because of its larger bullets, referred to as the ammunition's caliber.
 
The Glock 20 measures nearly 8 ¼ inches long and weighs about 2 ½ pounds when loaded, according to Glock's website.
 
Guns and Ammo magazine said of Glocks: "They point naturally, their triggers aren't too heavy ... but most importantly of all, they're reliable."
 
Sig Sauer 9 mm handgun
 
The other handgun police said Lanza had with him during the school massacre was a Sig Sauer. Authorities didn't say what kind, but possibilities include the P226, P229 or P250, P290, and if it was an older pistol, possibly the P220. The 9 mm P220 is no longer sold in the United States
 
Like the Glock, Lanza's Sig Sauer also allowed a high-capacity magazine, Vance said. Lanza used "multiple magazines" that are widely available to feed ammunition to the Sig Sauer, Vance said. Sig Sauer makes 9 mm pistol magazines with a maximum capacity of 20 bullets.
 
And like the Glock, Vance said the Sig Sauer handgun was a semiautomatic.
 
The P226 has a 15-round magazine, measures 7 ¾ inches and costs about $1,142, according to Sig Sauer's website. They can be found cheaper at some gun shops.
 
The Handguns magazine website says of the P226: "Adopted by the [Navy] SEALs nonetheless, it has proven to be durable, reliable, accurate and adaptable. What it has not had a reputation for is compactness."

Her point, was that originally the AR was reported as being locked in the car... For several days, that was accepted as fact.
All the sudden, when the crusade started, it was reported that he shot up the school with the AR and it was the shotgun that was in the car, even though it makes very little sense.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: blacken700 on December 31, 2012, 03:05:25 PM
i guess i'll go by the police report and state police,but if want to believe what you read on the internet i hear it's all true ;D


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 01, 2013, 06:25:30 AM
Funny gow banks have armed guards yet communist liberals think schools should be cannon fodder for Criminals


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: whork on January 03, 2013, 03:34:15 PM
Funny gow banks have armed guards yet communist liberals think schools should be cannon fodder for Criminals

Yes lib hate kids ::)

But Repub love them. They love guns more though.

Kids lives is not important. Guns is what is important!


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: 24KT on January 03, 2013, 07:11:33 PM
i guess i'll go by the police report and state police,but if want to believe what you read on the internet i hear it's all true ;D

Actually Blacken, I was going by the Police Reports, ...and they have changed their statements, in contradiction to the evidence captured on videotape. That is why I stated the only things we know for certain is that a lot of children are dead, and alot of adults are exploiting this horror for their own particular agenda.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: 24KT on January 03, 2013, 07:14:41 PM
Her point, was that originally the AR was reported as being locked in the car... For several days, that was accepted as fact.
All the sudden, when the crusade started, it was reported that he shot up the school with the AR and it was the shotgun that was in the car, even though it makes very little sense.

HolyCow Shockwave,

This is the first time that someone on Getbig, has clarified my statement for another reader, ...and acually go it right. I'm impressed!  :D


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 03, 2013, 07:34:25 PM
Yes lib hate kids ::)

But Repub love them. They love guns more though.

Kids lives is not important. Guns is what is important!

Liberals do hate kids - they murder millions a year. 


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Straw Man on January 03, 2013, 07:40:41 PM
Liberals do hate kids - they murder millions a year. 

No they don't

you're really racking up the lies today


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 03, 2013, 07:45:15 PM
No they don't

you're really racking up the lies today

Leftist women have millions of abortions a year - liberals love killing their kids.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: 24KT on January 03, 2013, 07:48:44 PM
Leftist women have millions of abortions a year - liberals love killing their kids.

LOL. Republican women have just as many abortions. They just don't talk about it because they're all pretending to be practitioners of abstinence.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: Radical Plato on January 03, 2013, 08:00:03 PM
It's amazing the amount of denial Nutters have to endure so as to prop up their position.  They have to believe that everyone is lying about the gun used, the witnesses are lying, the Police are lying, the medical examiners are lying and on and on it goes.  How sad it must be to get to the point were you have to believe absolutely everyone is lying just to remain in denial.  it is common after any tragedy for details to get muddled, but slowly the facts come out, and the FACTS are the shooter used a Bushmaster XM-15 to kill a bunch of kids in a short amount of time.  Get used to the truth, because it isn't going to change to suit a Nutters agenda.


Title: Re: It's too bad that Columbine High School didn't have an ARMED GUARD
Post by: 24KT on January 03, 2013, 08:14:32 PM
It's amazing the amount of denial Nutters have to for to to prop up their position.  They have to believe that everyone is lying about the gun used, the witnesses are lying, the Police are lying, the medical examiners are lying and on and on it goes.  How sad it must be to get to the point were you have to believe absolutely everyone is lying just to remain in denial.  it is common after any tragedy for details to get muddled, but slowly the facts come out, and the FACTS are the shooter used a Bushmaster XM-15 to kill a bunch of kids in a short amount of time.  Get used to the truth, because it isn't going to change to suit a Nutters agenda.

Dude, I have no agenda here other than the truth.
You remind me of that old saying "Who are you going to believe, me, or your lying eyes?" I can't help it if I notice discrepancies that don't add up. These are facts that I cannot change. If I saw a black car crash into a wall, and police report it, then later claim it was a red truck that went into a lake... I'm gonna have pause.

You are welcome to believe any official line of BS you choose to.
I am welcome to disbelieve any official line of BS I hear.
...and the world will still keep turning.