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Title: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: tonymctones on December 25, 2012, 01:42:43 PM
You know from ppls houses like the ones that libtard news paper posted...

http://news.yahoo.com/ambushed-ny-firemen-shot-dead-two-police-killed-015312529.html

"As a convicted felon, Spengler could not legally own guns, but The New York Times reported there had been recent gun thefts in the county, citing local authorities."

"The gunman, William Spengler, 62, shot and killed himself in an ensuing gunfight with police. He had spent 17 years in prison for beating his 92-year-old grandmother to death with a hammer in 1981, authorities said."

"I still have to get ready to see how much of the neighborhood I can burn down and do what I like doing best, killing people," Pickering read from the gunman's statement.

yea, guns are the problem ::)






Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Straw Man on December 25, 2012, 04:38:10 PM
I wonder why he didn't use a bathtub or a car to kill those two fireman



Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 25, 2012, 04:56:33 PM
I wonder why he didn't use a bathtub or a car to kill those two fireman




He murdered his sister as well.   He should never have been out on parole.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Al Doggity on December 25, 2012, 05:08:56 PM

He murdered his sister as well.   He should never have been out on parole.

She should have been educated on whether or not he was taking his medications. That is the source of the problem.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: whork on December 25, 2012, 07:43:07 PM
You know from ppls houses like the ones that libtard news paper posted...

http://news.yahoo.com/ambushed-ny-firemen-shot-dead-two-police-killed-015312529.html

"As a convicted felon, Spengler could not legally own guns, but The New York Times reported there had been recent gun thefts in the county, citing local authorities."

"The gunman, William Spengler, 62, shot and killed himself in an ensuing gunfight with police. He had spent 17 years in prison for beating his 92-year-old grandmother to death with a hammer in 1981, authorities said."

"I still have to get ready to see how much of the neighborhood I can burn down and do what I like doing best, killing people," Pickering read from the gunman's statement.

yea, guns are the problem ::)






Mad people with guns is the problem.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 25, 2012, 07:43:59 PM
Mad people with guns is the problem.

Obama to blame.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: WOOO on December 25, 2012, 08:03:17 PM
Obama to blame.

 ::)


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: whork on December 25, 2012, 08:18:36 PM
Obama to blame.

Of course.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: tonymctones on December 25, 2012, 08:48:44 PM
Mad people with guns is the problem.
so without guns this mad person wouldnt have been mad anymore?



Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: tonymctones on December 25, 2012, 08:49:27 PM
She should have been educated on whether or not he was taking his medications. That is the source of the problem.
If only we had laws that prevented this man from owning guns, that would have prevented this.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: WOOO on December 25, 2012, 08:50:21 PM
so without guns this mad person wouldnt have been mad anymore?



no

without guns he would have thrown shit pies at them

they would have been dirty but alive

guns ARE a big part of the americant problem


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: tonymctones on December 25, 2012, 09:01:06 PM
no

without guns he would have thrown shit pies at them

they would have been dirty but alive

guns ARE a big part of the americant problem
"I still have to get ready to see how much of the neighborhood I can burn down and do what I like doing best, killing people," Pickering read from the gunman's statement.
Read that quote from the mad man, does he mention guns in that statement?

or does he simply say "killing people"

what you idealogues dont seem to understand is these ppl are going to kill others one way or the other....

Once again guns are not the problem


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: andreisdaman on December 25, 2012, 09:04:47 PM
If only we had laws that prevented this man from owning guns, that would have prevented this.

YES


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: tonymctones on December 25, 2012, 09:17:19 PM
YES
LMFAO you moron he is a felon and legally not allowed to own a gun but he had stolen guns.

Fat lot of good those laws did right?

Get this through your head, CRIMINALS DONT FOLLOW LAWS!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: avxo on December 26, 2012, 12:08:24 AM
no

without guns he would have thrown shit pies at them

they would have been dirty but alive

Correction: they may have been alive. Mad people have no qualms about devising ways of killing in the absence of guns. There's many "options" available, and that's just in the "cleaning" aisle of the grocery store... there's no need to even bother with the hardware store that's a couple of blocks further down.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: WOOO on December 26, 2012, 05:00:23 AM
LMFAO you moron he is a felon and legally not allowed to own a gun but he had stolen guns.

Fat lot of good those laws did right?

Get this through your head, CRIMINALS DONT FOLLOW LAWS!!!!!!!!!


if there are NO guns... there are none to steal...

so that could work... absolutely

but if guns were somewhat restricted with better controls changing the culture of a nation over the next few generations it could also work... slowly, but absolutely


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 26, 2012, 05:02:55 AM

if there are NO guns... there are none to steal...

so that could work... absolutely

but if guns were somewhat restricted with better controls changing the culture of a nation over the next few generations it could also work... slowly, but absolutely


Spoken like a true delusional foreigner.   To away. 


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: 240 is Back on December 26, 2012, 07:44:59 AM
they should make stealing a crime.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Shockwave on December 26, 2012, 08:35:06 AM

if there are NO guns... there are none to steal...

Idealistic nonsense sir.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: WOOO on December 26, 2012, 08:39:22 AM
Idealistic nonsense sir.

Japan, England


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Shockwave on December 26, 2012, 08:44:33 AM
Japan, England
Both tiny, isolated islands. Terrible examples.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: blacken700 on December 26, 2012, 08:47:10 AM

if there are NO guns... there are none to steal...

so that could work... absolutely

but if guns were somewhat restricted with better controls changing the culture of a nation over the next few generations it could also work... slowly, but absolutely



that's dumb, there should be  guns every where they should have gum ball machines that spit out guns for a quarter,they should have gun dispensers just like newspapers dispensers put 50 cents in and pull out a gun.if guns where just lying all over the place it would make us much safer


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: whork on December 26, 2012, 08:51:45 AM
so without guns this mad person wouldnt have been mad anymore?



I have no idea how you came to this conclusion.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: WOOO on December 26, 2012, 08:58:47 AM
Both tiny, isolated islands. Terrible examples.

65% of all homicides in US are committed with a gun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence)

Finland
Australia
Chile
Spain
Germany
New Zealand
Ireland
Denmark

are all other good examples where guns are not a common part of society and where murder rates overall (and specifically from guns) are lower


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: whork on December 26, 2012, 09:00:12 AM
so without guns this mad person wouldnt have been mad anymore?



Guns make it easier to kill people especially in those "heath-of- the-moment" situations ( not referring to this case).

More guns available= more deaths. Its that simple.

I wish you would just come out and say that the death people is worth it so you can have your guns. That would be called honesty and people respect that.

Your ridicilous argumentation to convince yourself that your choices is the only right ones is sad.

Own your opinions and actions.

If you think the right to bear guns outweighs the death people, just own it. Its your opinion and nobody can say its wrong. Its a choice and thats your right.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 26, 2012, 09:01:46 AM

Mostly white countries wo turd world migration.   Go figure. 


65% of all homicides in US are committed with a gun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence)

Finland
Australia
Chile
Spain
Germany
New Zealand
Ireland
Denmark

are all other good examples where guns are not a common part of society and where murder rates overall (and specifically from guns) are lower



Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: whork on December 26, 2012, 09:16:44 AM
Mostly white countries wo turd world migration.   Go figure. 



The european countries is full of MUSLIM immigrants so im not sure what you are trying to say here?


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 26, 2012, 09:19:44 AM
The european countries is full of MUSLIM immigrants so im not sure what you are trying to say here?


Our resident scumbags are worse.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: whork on December 26, 2012, 09:43:36 AM

Our resident scumbags are worse.

Who are these scumbags?


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Shockwave on December 26, 2012, 09:48:05 AM
Who are these scumbags?
Hispanic and Black gang's, with honorable mention to the Asian gangs.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 26, 2012, 09:53:34 AM
The european countries is full of MUSLIM immigrants so im not sure what you are trying to say here?

The Muslims are still a small percentage of the population.  (not for long).


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: whork on December 26, 2012, 10:18:41 AM
Hispanic and Black gang's, with honorable mention to the Asian gangs.

Thanks.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: avxo on December 27, 2012, 12:02:57 AM
Guns make it easier to kill people especially in those "heath-of- the-moment" situations ( not referring to this case).

So do antique Japanese katana, steak knives, steel pipes, baseball bats, scissors, straight razors, cars, bleach, and fancy super-double-secret karate moves...



Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: andreisdaman on December 27, 2012, 06:22:02 AM
Hispanic and Black gang's, with honorable mention to the Asian gangs.

yes but the vast majority of shootings are not gang-related.....its just normal people with a gripe grabbing a gun and going out and killing rivals, exs-girlfriends, wives, etc...

don't forget all the white guys killing their wives..honorable mention of course ::)


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: andreisdaman on December 27, 2012, 06:23:15 AM
So do antique Japanese katana, steak knives, steel pipes, baseball bats, scissors, straight razors, cars, bleach, and fancy super-double-secret karate moves...



oh yes..I'm sure the police are confiscating these items in the thousands when they do stop and frisks ::)


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: andreisdaman on December 27, 2012, 06:25:12 AM
LMFAO you moron he is a felon and legally not allowed to own a gun but he had stolen guns.

Fat lot of good those laws did right?

Get this through your head, CRIMINALS DONT FOLLOW LAWS!!!!!!!!!

let me remind you of the new rule against name-calling.......since 3333 reminds everyone of same when he needs protection.......if there were gun laws it would cut out a lot of the guns in circulation thus reducing the likelihood of guys being able to obtain illegal guns


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: andreisdaman on December 27, 2012, 06:26:10 AM
Both tiny, isolated islands. Terrible examples.

not tiny at all...making excuses


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: andreisdaman on December 27, 2012, 06:27:10 AM
Guns make it easier to kill people especially in those "heath-of- the-moment" situations ( not referring to this case).

More guns available= more deaths. Its that simple.

I wish you would just come out and say that the death people is worth it so you can have your guns. That would be called honesty and people respect that.

Your ridicilous argumentation to convince yourself that your choices is the only right ones is sad.

Own your opinions and actions.

If you think the right to bear guns outweighs the death people, just own it. Its your opinion and nobody can say its wrong. Its a choice and thats your right.

agreed,..you said it well..case closed.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 27, 2012, 06:34:53 AM
let me remind you of the new rule against name-calling.......since 3333 reminds everyone os same when he needs protection.......if there were gun laws it would cut out a lot of the guns in circulation thus reducing the likelihood of guys being able to obtain illegal guns

Chicago. 


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: littledumbells on December 27, 2012, 07:35:21 AM
no

without guns he would have thrown shit pies at them

they would have been dirty but alive

guns ARE a big part of the americant problem

  No, the problem is the fucked up justice system. The nut case killed a grandparent with a hammer, spent 17 years in prison for it, then was released. He never should have been released. Bastard should have been euthanized like a bad dog.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: garebear on December 27, 2012, 07:40:51 AM
The firemen should have been armed.

There should be a fifty cal on every fire truck.

Dalmatians should be armed.

There should have been armed guards patrolling the streets.

I think it's pretty plain to see that the problem here was not enough guns.



Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Shockwave on December 27, 2012, 09:06:29 AM
not tiny at all...making excuses
Uh, what? Have you looked at a globe? Do so again. The UK and Japan are tiny compared to the US, which actually has borders attached to other land masses. Oh, and they are ISLANDS, surrounded on all sides by large bodies of water.

Small land masses surrounded by water, compared to a GIANT land mass not separated from their neighbors (one of which has uber strict gun laws, but still manages to have daily slaughters involving illegal firearms that make ours look like childs play).

Makes it much, much easier to smuggle things in, like, oh, I don't know, drugs, illegal aliens, and guns,.  ::)

C'mon dude, think.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Shockwave on December 27, 2012, 09:08:07 AM
yes but the vast majority of shootings are not gang-related.....its just normal people with a gripe grabbing a gun and going out and killing rivals, exs-girlfriends, wives, etc...

don't forget all the white guys killing their wives..honorable mention of course ::)
You could be correct on the majority of shooting's not being gang related - but they are generally done by the same types of people in the same areas.
Anyway the point was that Whork was asking who our resident scumbag types were (you know, the ones responsible for the largest portion of crimes in the US), and I answered.

FYI percentage wise, white guys killing their wives isn't even a blip on the radar. Come the fuck on dude.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 27, 2012, 09:23:17 AM
Shots fired at delivery driver for pizza that was too small (MINNEAPOLIS)
fox 9 ^ | 12-26-12 | Mike Durkin
Posted on December 27, 2012, 11:18:00 AM EST by TurboZamboni

A Chicago man has been charged with assault after allegedly shooting at a Minneapolis pizza delivery driver for delivering a pizza that was too small. Demetrius Patterson, 26, is charged with one count of second-degree assault for the Dec. 21 incident. According to the criminal complaint, Patterson answered the door at his girlfriend's apartment on the 2100 block of Russell Ave. N. and began arguing with the 45-year-old driver. The victim told police he didn't want to argue, so he walked toward his car. As the driver walked away with the pizza, Patterson stepped out of the house and fired five to six gunshots. The deliveryman was able to drive-off and was not injured.

(Excerpt) Read more at myfoxtwincities.com ...


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: avxo on December 27, 2012, 04:59:25 PM
oh yes..I'm sure the police are confiscating these items in the thousands when they do stop and frisks ::)

That's irrelevant. All of those things are able to kill, and some are actually much more easily accessible than guns.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Straw Man on December 27, 2012, 05:02:26 PM
That's irrelevant. All of those things are able to kill, and some are actually much more easily accessible than guns.

none are more efficient than guns, especially from less than close range


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: avxo on December 27, 2012, 05:05:29 PM
none are more efficient than guns, especially from less than close range

Debatable, but even if true, so what?


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Straw Man on December 27, 2012, 05:09:56 PM
Debatable, but even if true, so what?

really

pick an item on your list and tell me if, for example, Lanza could have kill 26 people in a matter of minutes without being stopped (hint for the answer to "so what")

baseball bat, straight razor, super secret karate moves (ok - I might give you this one if we're talking about a movie )


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: avxo on December 27, 2012, 05:14:51 PM
really

pick an item on your list and tell me if, for example, Lanza could have kill 26 people in a matter of minutes without being stopped (hint for the answer to "so what")

baseball bat, straight razor, super secret karate moves (ok - I might give you this one if we're talking about a movie )


A pound or so of nails and dry ice... seems pretty damn efficient to me.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Straw Man on December 27, 2012, 05:18:10 PM
A pound or so of nails and dry ice... seems pretty damn efficient to me.

I didn't see that on your list

tell me how the nails and dry ice thing works

just wondering in case I want to go duck hunting


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: whork on December 27, 2012, 05:49:34 PM
A pound or so of nails and dry ice... seems pretty damn efficient to me.

When has there been a mass killing in the US by way of nails and dry ice?


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: garebear on December 27, 2012, 05:52:05 PM
Another reason this happened is because we took god out of firehouses.



Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Skeletor on December 27, 2012, 06:02:51 PM
Another reason this happened is because we took god out of firehouses.



"He works in mysterious ways" / "He has a plan"


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Shockwave on December 27, 2012, 06:46:40 PM
I didn't see that on your list

tell me how the nails and dry ice thing works

just wondering in case I want to go duck hunting
Wow, way to fucking fail at making a sarcastic remark dumbass.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: avxo on December 27, 2012, 06:49:22 PM
When has there been a mass killing in the US by way of nails and dry ice?

And when has there been arson without an accelerant in the last 25 or 50 years? Should we just ban accelerants?

Guns are a tool. Like most tools, they can be used in ways that are right and ways that are wrong. The tools have no say in the matter and are not inherently bad or good. They just are. What people – especially crazy people – use the tools for is a whole 'mother matter.
 
Are you, perhaps, familiar with Prohibition? With prohibition a group of nutjobs that belogned to the Temperance Movement advocated that if only alcohol – a vile and tempting mistress which seduced men against their will wasn't available then things would just be wonderful and the curse of booze (also awkward dancing and drunken sex with women who are ugly) would be listen and our society would no longer be burdened by it...

And you must know how wonderfully that turned our.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Straw Man on December 27, 2012, 06:50:43 PM
Wow, way to fucking fail at making a sarcastic remark dumbass.

maybe avxo got the reference

Can you elaborate on why rocket launchers are OK but chemical or biological weapons aren't? How will you go duck huntin'?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqt-6N7pPjY




Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: avxo on December 27, 2012, 06:53:25 PM
maybe avxo got the reference

;D


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Shockwave on December 27, 2012, 06:53:42 PM
maybe avxo got the reference

Eh.. my bad. I guess thats what I get for only reading the last couple posts.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Straw Man on December 27, 2012, 06:56:04 PM
Eh.. my bad. I guess thats what I get for only reading the last couple posts.

no worries

that post wasn't even from this thread


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: garebear on December 28, 2012, 03:14:45 AM
And when has there been arson without an accelerant in the last 25 or 50 years? Should we just ban accelerants?

Guns are a tool. Like most tools, they can be used in ways that are right and ways that are wrong. The tools have no say in the matter and are not inherently bad or good. They just are. What people – especially crazy people – use the tools for is a whole 'mother matter.
 
Are you, perhaps, familiar with Prohibition? With prohibition a group of nutjobs that belogned to the Temperance Movement advocated that if only alcohol – a vile and tempting mistress which seduced men against their will wasn't available then things would just be wonderful and the curse of booze (also awkward dancing and drunken sex with women who are ugly) would be listen and our society would no longer be burdened by it...

And you must know how wonderfully that turned our.
Interesting point, but what about this scenario (I know it's happened in America before)

A man gets pissed at his ex wife for child support, custody, alimony, etc. He really hates the wife's entire family for screwing him over and decides, in the heat of the moment to kill them all.

Now, the members of the family are not all in the same house, but at different houses around town, so he will have to drive different places to kill them. Would setting them on fire be simply another tool in his murder bag (if you will) at this point? Or doesn't a gun make it much easie for him to do this?

I imagine it would be difficult to get a person to stand still and set them on fire, so it would probably take some time to accomplish it. Maybe you would have to beat them into submission or tie them up. Anyway, by the time, let's say, the first two have been set on fire, wouldn't the others have time to be alerted and take precautionary measures?

In this instance, is fire an equal tool to the gun? Or does the gun offer advantages in the method of killing?


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: George Whorewell on December 28, 2012, 04:28:54 AM
So the solution is for the United States to return to the stone age. Swords, clubs, knives and 2x4's will be the preferred choice of murderers.

Oh and also, don't forget incendiary devices such as molotov cocktails-- TNT, and explosives that can be made with household items.

The 911 hijackers had boxcutters. How much death, murder and mayhem was accomplished by a handful of savages without a gun?

How about mass poisonings?

The possibilities are endless.


To my liberal brethren who think taking legal guns away from law abiding citizens is a good idea-- How would that curb the criminal gun violence with illegal firearms, the overwhelming number of black on black homicides (which make up the lion share of gun deaths in America) or somehow make the general public safer? 






Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 28, 2012, 08:23:46 AM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-chicago-2012-homicide-toll-20121228,0,5456581.story


Time to ban guns in Obama's home town - oh wait . . . . . .


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 28, 2012, 08:39:40 AM
 :D


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: avxo on December 28, 2012, 11:41:58 AM
Interesting point, but what about this scenario (I know it's happened in America before)

A man gets pissed at his ex wife for child support, custody, alimony, etc. He really hates the wife's entire family for screwing him over and decides, in the heat of the moment to kill them all.

Now, the members of the family are not all in the same house, but at different houses around town, so he will have to drive different places to kill them. Would setting them on fire be simply another tool in his murder bag (if you will) at this point? Or doesn't a gun make it much easie for him to do this?

I imagine it would be difficult to get a person to stand still and set them on fire, so it would probably take some time to accomplish it. Maybe you would have to beat them into submission or tie them up. Anyway, by the time, let's say, the first two have been set on fire, wouldn't the others have time to be alerted and take precautionary measures?

In this instance, is fire an equal tool to the gun? Or does the gun offer advantages in the method of killing?

Driving around town killing isn't done "in the heat of the moment". It takes a while. Depending on the city one lives in, it may even take quite a while.

I don't think anyone disputes that having a gun can facilitate killing, but the argument that "more people are shot in households with guns than households without guns" is just plain silly.

The person the you describe, who after a fight with his wife goes driving around town decimating her entire family is unhinged. He's crazy and crazy people won't be stopped by laws anymore than criminals will be.

What's worse is that we keep trying to structure our society around the lowest commom denominator: the stupid people, the crazy people and so on. We do this at the expense of those who are neither stupid nor crazy. And that is just wrong.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Straw Man on December 28, 2012, 11:45:02 AM
Driving around town killing isn't done "in the heat of the moment". It takes a while. Depending on the city one lives in, it may even take quite a while.

I don't think anyone disputes that having a gun can facilitate killing, but the argument that "more people are shot in households with guns than households without guns" is just plain silly.

The person the you describe, who after a fight with his wife goes driving around town decimating her entire family is unhinged. He's crazy and crazy people won't be stopped by laws anymore than criminals will be.

What's worse is that we keep trying to structure our society around the lowest commom denominator: the stupid people, the crazy people and so on. We do this at the expense of those who are neither stupid nor crazy. And that is just wrong.

I've heard this before too though I haven't seen any stats though it makes perfect sense that houses with guns are more likely to have a shooting incident (injury or death) than houses without guns


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: avxo on December 28, 2012, 10:32:00 PM
I've heard this before too though I haven't seen any stats though it makes perfect sense that houses with guns are more likely to have a shooting incident (injury or death) than houses without guns

Of course, but whether it makes sense or not is irrelevant: it's still a silly argument in the same way that the argument "someone who doesn't drive is less likely to get a ticket for speeding than someone who does."


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 29, 2012, 07:00:12 AM
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Suspect Shot Dead by Would-Be Robbery Victim: Cops [Thank You, 2nd Amendment]
NBC MIAMI ^ | 12/28/12 I | Edward R Colby
Posted on December 29, 2012, 8:47:56 AM EST by SoFloFreeper

A male suspect was shot and killed by the person he was trying to rob, Miami Gardens Police said.

The suspect was attempting to rob the victim and shot him at least one time, Miami Gardens Police Capt. Ralph Suarez said.

“The victim went to the ground but was able to retrieve his own weapon and shot the offender several times,” Suarez said. “The offender died at the scene,” outside the Rainbow shop at NW 19925 NW 2nd Ave., he said.

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Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: whork on January 03, 2013, 05:41:37 PM
so without guns this mad person wouldnt have been mad anymore?



Sure but he wouldnt shoot anyone.


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: tonymctones on January 03, 2013, 05:52:16 PM
^^^
so they will find other ways to kill ppl...

guns arent the problem, ppl are going to die one way or the other unless the root problem is addressed


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: whork on January 03, 2013, 05:54:00 PM
^^^
so they will find other ways to kill ppl...

guns arent the problem, ppl are going to die one way or the other unless the root problem is addressed

I guess we will all die from old age eventually so why not legalize murder?
We are all gonna die anyway, right?


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: tonymctones on January 03, 2013, 06:29:40 PM
yet another strawman color me shocked ::)


Title: Re: NY Gunman left note declaring plan to kill people...used stolen guns
Post by: avxo on January 03, 2013, 06:52:42 PM
I guess we will all die from old age eventually so why not legalize murder?
We are all gonna die anyway, right?

Such logic...