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Title: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: anabolichalo on December 26, 2012, 09:16:56 AM
what to do about this?

http://imageshack.us/scaled/landing/14/dsc04395yg.jpg

the green rubber band was wrapped around the twisting thing to open close

it was in close position

was like this from former owner

probably this thing has been burning for a while but I only noticed now

tried to turn it off


but noticed it was already in the off position (closed)




Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: Irongrip400 on December 26, 2012, 09:25:30 AM
Geez, you're on hot water radiators?  Where do you live? If its your house, convert to central heat/air. If not, call your landlord and get him to correct it.


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: anabolichalo on December 26, 2012, 09:26:09 AM
Geez, you're on hot water radiators?  Where do you live? If its your house, convert to central heat/air. If not, call your landlord and get him to correct it.
in an appartment i bought

it was cheap and pretty old



Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: Slik on December 26, 2012, 04:25:22 PM
Geez, you're on hot water radiators?  Where do you live? If its your house, convert to central heat/air. If not, call your landlord and get him to correct it.
radiant heaters r one of the cleanest most efficient ways to heat a home.  Maybe because u associate them with old houses u think they are out dated.  Maybe outdated fashion wise for some but not outdated efficiency wise.


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: BIG ACH on December 26, 2012, 05:06:03 PM
Switch or valve is probably on regardless of what the knob is telling you.  The knob could be broken and just turning with no effect.
Another thing could be that the valve is just leaking.

Trying to think who you could call for something like this.... maybe a local hvac company or as odd as it sounds , a plumbing company.  Or you can try to mess Around with it yourself, but I'm sure you've already tried that.

P.s. radiators really are awesome for warming! 


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: littledumbells on December 26, 2012, 06:15:04 PM
in an appartment i bought

it was cheap and pretty old



  Did you have an inspection done prior to closing?


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: Marty Champions on December 26, 2012, 06:17:21 PM
do some internet searches and post your results if you can figure it out, its always fascinating learning how things like this can be fixed , you can help others =good karma on you


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: Tapeworm on December 26, 2012, 06:45:43 PM
The plastic knob is probably reamed out and isn't grabbing the valve stem.  I'd try to remove the plastic knob to expose the stem and see if you can operate the valve with pliers, vice grips, wrench, etc.  Then you'll know if you need an entirely new valve or just a stem key.  
  
Take care not to fuck up the stem by turning it with a loose fitting wrench and shearing off the corners.  If it's fighting you, don't force it or you could create a much bigger problem.  

Don't continue to force the plastic cap off to one side with shims in an effort to get purchase.  This will stress the stem and packings and may cause a leak.

I think Diablo Blanco is a heating/plumbing guy so maybe you two can get together and talk about hairy ass cracks.


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: Natural Man on December 26, 2012, 07:15:23 PM
in an appartment i bought m renting.
it is shitty and old.
fixed.


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: Natural Man on December 26, 2012, 07:17:05 PM
radiant heaters r one of the cleanest most efficient ways to heat a home.  Maybe because u associate them with old houses u think they are out dated.  Maybe outdated fashion wise for some but not outdated efficiency wise.
they require a oil/fioul/fuel furnace to work most of the time in old buildings/houses...not effective at all especially considering the coming oil shortages/high prices.  Nothing is cheaper than a modern efficient furnace that uses heating wood and / or electrical baseboard heating . Pulsed hot air when it works with electricity is average economically speaking (fan consumes a lot of electricity so do the diodes), when its oil again it s shitty; consume tons of energy to make that huge fan turn and oil is getting expensive. Also house/flat insulation /isolation are important and work hand in hand with heating system.; you have to have good quality windows and ventilation systems.  


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: The True Adonis on December 26, 2012, 07:24:43 PM
they require a oil/fioul/fuel furnace to work most of the time in old buildings/houses...not effective at all especially considering the coming oil shortages/high prices.  Nothing is cheaper than a modern efficient furnace that uses heating wood and / or electricity. Pulsed hot air when it works with electricity is average, when its oil it s shitty; consume tons of energy to make that huge fan turn. Also house/flat insulation /isolation are important and work hand in hand with heating system.; you have to have good quality windows and ventilation systems. 
::)

Electric heat is the most inefficient by far.  Natural Gas is the best in my opinion.


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: Tapeworm on December 26, 2012, 07:31:45 PM
Grandfather used to say that wood warms you twice.


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: Irongrip400 on December 26, 2012, 07:53:25 PM
I have a gas pack unit. Shit rolls out heat, when I use it. Usually my shit is not on in winter, I love the cold.


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: BIG ACH on December 26, 2012, 08:02:11 PM
The plastic knob is probably reamed out and isn't grabbing the valve stem.  I'd try to remove the plastic knob to expose the stem and see if you can operate the valve with pliers, vice grips, wrench, etc.  Then you'll know if you need an entirely new valve or just a stem key.  
  
Take care not to fuck up the stem by turning it with a loose fitting wrench and shearing off the corners.  If it's fighting you, don't force it or you could create a much bigger problem.  

Don't continue to force the plastic cap off to one side with shims in an effort to get purchase.  This will stress the stem and packings and may cause a leak.

I think Diablo Blanco is a heating/plumbing guy so maybe you two can get together and talk about hairy ass cracks.

This


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: Powerlift66 on December 27, 2012, 12:54:49 AM
My old (100 year old) house had those radiators... Just replace the knob/regulator, I  ordered a bunch online at one time and replaced most of em..




Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on December 27, 2012, 01:06:48 AM
My old (100 year old) house had those radiators... Just replace the knob/regulator, I  ordered a bunch online at one time and replaced most of em..



Shouldn't have posted your house, very unsafe on a public forum. I just zoomed in to the address and soon, you sir will be receiving an Edible Arrangement.

Merry Christmas.

(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p569/Vincebertolini/b4f11855232c9c973f088bd978edfbcb.jpg)


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: Tapeworm on December 27, 2012, 01:28:39 AM
My old (100 year old) house had those radiators... Just replace the knob/regulator, I  ordered a bunch online at one time and replaced most of em..




Epic dad's teeth grinding while staring into space solitary lawnchair.


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: anabolichalo on December 27, 2012, 03:24:53 AM
fixed.
if i was renting it i would not need to fix this problem by myself


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: anabolichalo on December 27, 2012, 03:26:15 AM
so i should start by removing the white plastic?

no risk i will flood the place with hot water?



Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: Tapeworm on December 27, 2012, 03:49:01 AM
so i should start by removing the white plastic?

no risk i will flood the place with hot water?



1st would be just remove the green shims from under the white plastic cap, then turn the cap to close the valve.  I'm guessing the cap will turn fairly easily without having any effect on the valve's operation.  If that's the case you can then remove the cap to expose the stem and test the valve's operation with vice grips. 

If the cap is really loose it might pull off quite easily.  You won't get any water coming out because the cap is only there to turn the stem and doesn't act as any kind of seal.  As far as I know.  Lol.


If I guessed right you're going to end up having to rig some sort of new cap/stem key, or just keep using a wrench or grips on it.  If you're not into that it might be easier to do as the other guy suggested and just replace the valve as a unit.  Some photos and measurements and a local plumbing shop will probably sell you one for $15? or so.  Presumably dimensions and threads are standard if Powerlift got his valves online, but that would make me a little nervous without checking the specs.


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: Powerlift66 on December 27, 2012, 04:29:04 AM
Shouldn't have posted your house, very unsafe on a public forum. I just zoomed in to the address and soon, you sir will be receiving an Edible Arrangement.

Merry Christmas.

(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p569/Vincebertolini/b4f11855232c9c973f088bd978edfbcb.jpg)

The new owners will appreciate that...


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: chris-a on December 27, 2012, 07:02:24 AM
are you fukking kidding?
this is a bodybuilding forum you boring kunt, just fukk right off with all your shit threads, jesus christ...


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: Henda on December 27, 2012, 07:20:18 AM
Those plastic pieces of shit almost never work properly.
Like many have said already simply take the plastic cap off and close the valve with a pair of mole grips.


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: K-1 on December 27, 2012, 07:28:30 AM
up the dose


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: anabolichalo on December 27, 2012, 08:08:11 AM
ok i took the plastic off and there is this little pin that can be pressed in but pushed back out

so i taped it up in the "in" position

let's see if it cools down now


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: anabolichalo on December 27, 2012, 08:08:53 AM
are you fukking kidding?
this is a bodybuilding forum you boring kunt, just fukk right off with all your shit threads, jesus christ...
bodybuilding is nothing but peds and shmoes


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: anabolichalo on December 27, 2012, 11:00:27 AM
despite that i took off the plastic cap and secured the little pin in the "in" position the heater is still hot


fuck

i'm gonna need a plumber $$$$$$$$$$$$


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: Henda on December 27, 2012, 11:04:41 AM
The valves are a couple of quid from a builders merchant and a 5 minute job with a few spanners and some ptfe tape. Or you could pay a plummer his call out fee plus an hours labour plus parts....


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: Tapeworm on December 27, 2012, 04:57:05 PM
ok i took the plastic off and there is this little pin that can be pressed in but pushed back out

so i taped it up in the "in" position

let's see if it cools down now

Huh.  A poppy pin?   ???  Well, I thought it would be rotational.  Most metering and isolation valves are.  You're on your own, kid. 


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: anabolichalo on December 27, 2012, 04:59:44 PM
Huh.  A poppy pin?   ???  Well, I thought it would be rotational.  Most metering and isolation valves are.  You're on your own, kid. 
MY GOD!

i emailed a frend whose dad is a heaterfixing specialist

he says the poppy pin thingy has to be OUT not IN for the heater to be off

so i removed the tape contraption and pulled it out

and now the heater is cold


the more you know


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: Tapeworm on December 27, 2012, 05:04:16 PM
Yes, just as I suspected.


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: anabolichalo on December 27, 2012, 05:07:22 PM
i'm so relieved

they always say plumbers are thieves that charge obscene amounts for not doing shit


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: Tapeworm on December 27, 2012, 05:20:38 PM
relieved


A little valve humor there.


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: Primemuscle on December 27, 2012, 05:22:19 PM
::)

Electric heat is the most inefficient by far.  Natural Gas is the best in my opinion.

I just finished reading the winter 2013 edition of Fine Homebuilding - Energy Smart Homes. There is a article that covers the latest in heating. In super energy efficient homes, electric heat is the most temperature adjustable. Gas forced air runs hot and cold as opposed to providing a constant temperature. Radiant heat is efficient and exceptionally clean. It is a good choice for folks prone to allergies. The addition of an air to air heat exchanger keeps the air in you place fresh.

Our house has gas forced air. Having been built in the late 70's with lots of vaulted ceilings and a fair amount of glass, it is not the most energy efficient house. I installed a 98% efficient furnace that cycles both the fan and the flame according to how much heat is needed about 5 years ago. Never-the-less, our gas bill averages about $150 a month in the winter and our electric bill almost doubles because the fan is running a lot of the time. We also have gas hot water, but we cook with electric.

In an effort to conserve energy, I am gradually switching over to LED lighting wherever possible. We replaced all the windows in the house several years back with energy efficient ones. That was a killer expense since we have 30 windows in our house.


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 27, 2012, 05:23:54 PM
::)

Electric heat is the most inefficient by far.  Natural Gas is the best in my opinion.

I like Natural Gas/Forced Air more, and it's cheaper where I live but I believe electric heat is 100% efficient.


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: The True Adonis on December 27, 2012, 05:24:33 PM
I just finished reading the winter 2013 edition of Fine Homebuilding - Energy Smart Homes. There is a article that covers the latest in heating. In super energy efficient homes, electric heat is the most temperature adjustable. Gas forced air runs hot and cold as opposed to providing a constant temperature. Radiant heat is efficient and exceptionally clean. It is a good choice for folks prone to allergies. The addition of an air to air heat exchanger keeps the air in you place fresh.

Our house has gas forced air. Having been built in the late 70's with lots of vaulted ceilings and a fair amount of glass, it is not the most energy efficient house. I installed a 98% efficient furnace that cycles both the fan and the flame according to how much heat is needed about 5 years ago. Never-the-less, our gas bill averages about $150 a month in the winter and our electric bill almost doubles because the fan is running a lot of the time. We also have gas hot water, but we cook with electric.

In an effort to conserve energy, I am gradually switching over to LED lighting wherever possible. We replaced all the windows in the house several years back with energy efficient ones. That was a killer expense since we have 30 windows in our house.
Should have kept the wooden windows.  


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: LittleJ on December 27, 2012, 05:28:34 PM
I got shot. What is the safest way to remove the bullet?


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: The True Adonis on December 27, 2012, 05:29:19 PM
I like Natural Gas/Forced Air more, and it's cheaper where I live but I believe electric heat is 100% efficient.
Efficient as far as energy put in, translating directly to heat then I agree it is 100 percent.  However, when it comes to cost or power savings, Natural Gas may be a better option.  Also, I think there are too many variables to have a one solution fits all.

Perhaps electric heat might be decent for a thin walled shitbox code word for "green" and "eco-friendly", but I don`t think its the best for all houses.


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: The True Adonis on December 27, 2012, 05:30:25 PM
I got shot. What is the safest way to remove the bullet?
You might be able to leave it in.  Andrew Jackson left his bullet in as did countless war veterans.


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 27, 2012, 05:33:22 PM
Efficient as far as energy put in, translating directly to heat then I agree it is 100 percent.  However, when it comes to cost or power savings, Natural Gas may be a better option.  Also, I think there are too many variables to have a one solution fits all.

Perhaps electric heat might be decent for a thin walled shitbox code word for "green" and "eco-friendly", but I don`t think its the best for all houses.

Good post, makes sense.  I put electric baseboard heat in a finished attic but I'd really like to eventually get a bigger furnace (I think the A/C unit is big enough already) and get duct work run up there.



Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: The True Adonis on December 27, 2012, 05:37:06 PM
Good post, makes sense.  I put electric baseboard heat in a finished attic but I'd really like to eventually get a bigger furnace (I think the A/C unit is big enough already) and get duct work run up there.


Thats a good idea with the baseboard heat for the meanwhile and you can keep it afterwards installed if you do get a new furnace. 


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: Primemuscle on December 28, 2012, 12:17:39 AM
Should have kept the wooden windows.  

Had they been made of wood, I might have done so. The original windows were anodized aluminum. Most were single pane glass. There was a variety of added aluminum storms windows. The replacement windows are dual pane with argon gas and low E. Not only do they make our home warmer in the winter and cooler in the summer, they insulate for sound transmission from the outside. There was nothing about the old windows that made them valuable.


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: anabolichalo on December 28, 2012, 02:43:58 AM
heh... it's hot again

apparently it just went cold because it was night


so now this pin doesnt matter if it's in or out i think


this heater is going to keep burning no matter what



guess i'm gonna need to hire some scambag plumber


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: Primemuscle on December 28, 2012, 04:36:46 PM
heh... it's hot again

apparently it just went cold because it was night


so now this pin doesnt matter if it's in or out i think


this heater is going to keep burning no matter what



guess i'm gonna need to hire some scambag plumber

You live in an apartment building, right? The reason it went cold at night is because the boilers likely go down at night. It seem obvious that your radiator valve doesn't completely shut off. This is a fairly common problem. Also, even if you could shut the radiator down, there would still be hot water in the pipes. If the boilers are running, you are always going to get some radiant heat. This is one of the issues with large buildings with a single heat source.

My daughter once lived in a very nice town home which was built in the 1940's each group of 6 to 10 units were on a single boiler in a common basement. My daughter who likes the temperature on the cool side, simply opened windows to control the heat. Obviously the thermostat didn't do what it was meant to do. These were radiant hot water baseboard heaters controlled by one thermostat in the dining room of the unit.


Title: Re: heater is hot despite it's closed (in the off position)
Post by: anabolichalo on December 28, 2012, 04:40:01 PM
it's odd tho, my other heaters are cold, they all have a different type of cap

so i guess therein lies the problem

gotta hire my buddies dad to fix this i suppose