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Title: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Ross Erstling on January 07, 2013, 12:28:17 PM
Evolution of life has occured here on planet Earth, that is an incontrovertible scientific fact. The fossil record does not lie. However, the MECHANISM of action–meaning, HOW evolution took place, has not been adequately excplained. Natural Selection is true, and plays a large role in the evolution of life, but it certainly isn’t the whole picture. It would take an absolute leap of FAITH for me to believe that something as complex and intricately functioning as the BRAIN arose simply from random mutations and the subtle pressures of natural selection. As a true scientist and philosopher, I don’t make leaps of faith, but rather, I believe in the EVIDENCE, and simply can not accept that Natural Selection is the SOLE cause for ALL of the magnificent and incredible diversity and variation of life here on Earth. Information theory prohibits such a misplaced and unreasonable belief.

Information, as a law, must always come from an intelligent source such as a computer or a brain. Each and every one of the TRILLIONS of cells in our bodies has been programmed with brilliant mathematical instructions encoded in our DNA. The BRAIN, and all of life on earth, have been intricately and precisely developed, as the most powerful and brilliant TECHNOLOGY of our natural universe. WE as human beings are literally, as heinously complex carbon-based life forms, highly advanced organic TECHNOLOGICAL beings that have even created our OWN technologies, much in our own images. Perhaps our purpose is to continue to PRODUCE, to develop ever more complex technologies that eventually enable us to unlock the full potential of our own DNA(genetic information technology). All of life on earth is highly advanced organic technology, based on the brilliant mathematics of DNA. From the smallest bacterium to the largest fish in the sea, all of life has been progammed by an unmistakably intelligent source, far superior to that of human beings. It is plainly obvious that LIFE, as a complex form of natural organic technology, could not arise simply from random mutations. It is just not possible, and as I scientist, I just can’t believe that.

DOGMATISM exists even among the scientific community, something that I can now see as I have grown older, smarter, and wiser. I will be offering my hypothesis for how life and it’s astounding diversity and variation arose here on earth, using the new sciences of Systems Theory, Chaos and Complexity, Emergent Properties, Quantum Consciousness, Cynamics, and Sacred Geometrical Mathematics.

“Anyone who becomes seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that there is a spirit manifest in the laws of of the Universe, a spirit vastly superior to that of man.”-Albert Einstein
 
“As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.”-”The FOUNDER of Quantum Physics, Max Planck:


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: snx on January 07, 2013, 12:34:00 PM
Yeah. You're an agnostic.

Go sell crazy somewhere else. We're all topped up here.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Kwon_2 on January 07, 2013, 12:36:44 PM
Too busy congratulating Goodrum on his new studio to care.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Anglo on January 07, 2013, 12:37:36 PM
well put Ross


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 07, 2013, 12:44:56 PM
Evolution of life has occured here on planet Earth, that is an incontrovertible scientific fact. The fossil record does not lie. However, the MECHANISM of action–meaning, HOW evolution took place, has not been adequately excplained. Natural Selection is true, and plays a large role in the evolution of life, but it certainly isn’t the whole picture. It would take an absolute leap of FAITH for me to believe that something as complex and intricately functioning as the BRAIN arose simply from random mutations and the subtle pressures of natural selection. As a true scientist and philosopher, I don’t make leaps of faith, but rather, I believe in the EVIDENCE, and simply can not accept that Natural Selection is the SOLE cause for ALL of the magnificent and incredible diversity and variation of life here on Earth. Information theory prohibits such a misplaced and unreasonable belief.

Information, as a law, must always come from an intelligent source such as a computer or a brain. Each and every one of the TRILLIONS of cells in our bodies has been programmed with brilliant mathematical instructions encoded in our DNA. The BRAIN, and all of life on earth, have been intricately and precisely developed, as the most powerful and brilliant TECHNOLOGY of our natural universe. WE as human beings are literally, as heinously complex carbon-based life forms, highly advanced organic TECHNOLOGICAL beings that have even created our OWN technologies, much in our own images. Perhaps our purpose is to continue to PRODUCE, to develop ever more complex technologies that eventually enable us to unlock the full potential of our own DNA(genetic information technology). All of life on earth is highly advanced organic technology, based on the brilliant mathematics of DNA. From the smallest bacterium to the largest fish in the sea, all of life has been progammed by an unmistakably intelligent source, far superior to that of human beings. It is plainly obvious that LIFE, as a complex form of natural organic technology, could not arise simply from random mutations. It is just not possible, and as I scientist, I just can’t believe that.

DOGMATISM exists even among the scientific community, something that I can now see as I have grown older, smarter, and wiser. I will be offering my hypothesis for how life and it’s astounding diversity and variation arose here on earth, using the new sciences of Systems Theory, Chaos and Complexity, Emergent Properties, Quantum Consciousness, Cynamics, and Sacred Geometrical Mathematics.

“Anyone who becomes seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that there is a spirit manifest in the laws of of the Universe, a spirit vastly superior to that of man.”-Albert Einstein
 
“As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.”-”The FOUNDER of Quantum Physics, Max Planck:


 ::)



Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: tbombz on January 07, 2013, 12:48:30 PM
::)


why are you rolling your eyes at a post that talks about scientific evidence of a creator?

oh wait, i know, because you believe in a 3 thousand year old earth and think anything to the contrary is blasphemous.

drop the faith in man made religious dogma, dude!


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Necrosis on January 07, 2013, 12:55:52 PM
Evolution of life has occured here on planet Earth, that is an incontrovertible scientific fact. The fossil record does not lie. However, the MECHANISM of action–meaning, HOW evolution took place, has not been adequately excplained. Natural Selection is true, and plays a large role in the evolution of life, but it certainly isn’t the whole picture. It would take an absolute leap of FAITH for me to believe that something as complex and intricately functioning as the BRAIN arose simply from random mutations and the subtle pressures of natural selection. As a true scientist and philosopher, I don’t make leaps of faith, but rather, I believe in the EVIDENCE, and simply can not accept that Natural Selection is the SOLE cause for ALL of the magnificent and incredible diversity and variation of life here on Earth. Information theory prohibits such a misplaced and unreasonable belief.

Information, as a law, must always come from an intelligent source such as a computer or a brain. Each and every one of the TRILLIONS of cells in our bodies has been programmed with brilliant mathematical instructions encoded in our DNA. The BRAIN, and all of life on earth, have been intricately and precisely developed, as the most powerful and brilliant TECHNOLOGY of our natural universe. WE as human beings are literally, as heinously complex carbon-based life forms, highly advanced organic TECHNOLOGICAL beings that have even created our OWN technologies, much in our own images. Perhaps our purpose is to continue to PRODUCE, to develop ever more complex technologies that eventually enable us to unlock the full potential of our own DNA(genetic information technology). All of life on earth is highly advanced organic technology, based on the brilliant mathematics of DNA. From the smallest bacterium to the largest fish in the sea, all of life has been progammed by an unmistakably intelligent source, far superior to that of human beings. It is plainly obvious that LIFE, as a complex form of natural organic technology, could not arise simply from random mutations. It is just not possible, and as I scientist, I just can’t believe that.

DOGMATISM exists even among the scientific community, something that I can now see as I have grown older, smarter, and wiser. I will be offering my hypothesis for how life and it’s astounding diversity and variation arose here on earth, using the new sciences of Systems Theory, Chaos and Complexity, Emergent Properties, Quantum Consciousness, Cynamics, and Sacred Geometrical Mathematics.

“Anyone who becomes seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that there is a spirit manifest in the laws of of the Universe, a spirit vastly superior to that of man.”-Albert Einstein
 
“As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.”-”The FOUNDER of Quantum Physics, Max Planck:


 Information theory does not support your assertions, also , this argument that information can only come from an intelligent mind is actually a creationist argument regarding DNA. Natural selection is not the only mechanism of change, nor random mutation, perhaps read some biology?


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: tbombz on January 07, 2013, 01:01:01 PM
necrosis - biology does not explain how information is developed.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: syntaxmachine on January 07, 2013, 01:07:53 PM

However, the MECHANISM of action–meaning, HOW evolution took place, has not been adequately excplained. Natural Selection is true, and plays a large role in the evolution of life, but it certainly isn’t the whole picture.


Natural selection has been explained sufficiently well, and since it is the primary driver of evolution, the "how" of evolution has, for the most part, been explained. There exists no mystery either at the core of evolution nor at the periphery (since the peripheral processes, e.g., genetic drift, are at least somewhat understood as well).

It would take an absolute leap of FAITH for me to believe that something as complex and intricately functioning as the BRAIN arose simply from random mutations and the subtle pressures of natural selection. As a true scientist and philosopher, I don’t make leaps of faith, but rather, I believe in the EVIDENCE, and simply can not accept that Natural Selection is the SOLE cause for ALL of the magnificent and incredible diversity and variation of life here on Earth. Information theory prohibits such a misplaced and unreasonable belief.

Who is claiming as much? The dominant school of thought regarding these matters is "adaptationism," which can be defined one of several ways. The only definitions I'm aware of that anybody adheres to entail the majority of our biological properties being adaptations (i.e., having been naturally selected). Nobody says natural selection accounts for all such properties. Darwin himself recognized that there were almost certainly other biological processes at work in shaping evolutionary change. Perhaps you can produce some quotes or paraphrases of actual biologists arguing that natural selection is the sole driver of evolution?

The adaptationists have a decent argument as far as the brain is concerned, since they most often subscribe to the notion of massive modularity -- the idea that the brain is comprised of specialized modules performing specific cognitive tasks and functioning as independent input/output systems. It's easy to see how this thesis can be explained via natural selection: brains grew more complex as specialized module after specialized module accrued over time. Obviously, the explanation needs to be vastly more in-depth than that; I'm simply telling you its general form.

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Information, as a law, must always come from an intelligent source such as a computer or a brain.

Which law reflects this, and of which science? Or did you just stipulate that this is a law right here and now? I've never heard any such thing. The information encoded in our DNA molecules came neither from brains nor computers, and there's no indication at all that any intelligence whatever is necessary to account for its genesis.

Each and every one of the TRILLIONS of cells in our bodies has been programmed with brilliant mathematical instructions encoded in our DNA.

Well, there aren't literally mathematical structures inside of our cells, so I'm not sure what you mean by this. Is the mathematics there in the matter itself or is that just our minds overlaying such structure onto what we see? Maybe it's just an imposition of our own.

The BRAIN, and all of life on earth, have been intricately and precisely developed, as the most powerful and brilliant TECHNOLOGY of our natural universe.

It gets the job done, but I wouldn't tout its horn too much: there is an endless list of built-in errors, tendencies toward failure, and inefficiencies. These are better explained by the thesis that the brain was evolved naturally, not designed by a magical intelligence (unless you are intent on insulting that intelligence).

Perhaps our purpose is to continue to PRODUCE, to develop ever more complex technologies that eventually enable us to unlock the full potential of our own DNA(genetic information technology).

Uh-oh, is this an extended intro to an ad for a product of some kind?  ???

all of life has been progammed by an unmistakably intelligent source, far superior to that of human beings. It is plainly obvious that LIFE, as a complex form of natural organic technology, could not arise simply from random mutations. It is just not possible, and as I scientist, I just can’t believe that.

Almost all scientists in the relevant specialties disagree. What is "plainly obvious" (which translates to "what my intuitions tell me to be the case") often isn't what is actually true. There's nothing "plainly obvious" about most scientific facts because they involve invented technical notions of which we can have no intuitions in the first place. Your gut has no role to play here bra. In what sense are you a scientist, if I might ask?

DOGMATISM exists even among the scientific community, something that I can now see as I have grown older, smarter, and wiser. I will be offering my hypothesis for how life and it’s astounding diversity and variation arose here on earth, using the new sciences of Systems Theory, Chaos and Complexity, Emergent Properties, Quantum Consciousness, Cynamics, and Sacred Geometrical Mathematics.

Maybe it depends on your definition of "new," but most will say none of these endeavors are new at all. I have no clue what Cynamics is, and Sacred Geometrical Mathematics is obviously bullshit since it has "sacred" in its name.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: snx on January 07, 2013, 01:14:37 PM
Syntaxmachine displaying an exercise in systematic ownage.

A thing of beauty when done correctly. Particularly against a post reeking of hubris and self-importance.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Ross Erstling on January 07, 2013, 01:16:26 PM
I'm on my phone while eating, and although I will respond to your post when I can, I can say with certainty that if you aren't familiar with cynamics, the study of sound vibrational frequencies on the behavior of matter, you are no scientist at all and don't have a fully comprehensive view of the universe.  Perhaps you know a thing or two about biology, but that doesn't mean you've investigated every branch of science as rigorously and a thoroughly as I have.  To be continued ..


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 07, 2013, 01:16:39 PM
Getbig....a fucking BODYBUILDING board where members think they know the origins of life...hahahahaahaaa, you can't make this shit up


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Ross Erstling on January 07, 2013, 01:22:49 PM
While you're at it, look up fractal geometry and patterns in nature.  Do you even know what fibonacci numbers are?


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: DeltsaForce on January 07, 2013, 01:24:55 PM
lol, this guido tool is nothing without his slumlord father's money.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The True Adonis on January 07, 2013, 01:24:59 PM
Erstling just proving that he is indeed a moron of the highest order.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Kwon_2 on January 07, 2013, 01:30:08 PM
why are you rolling your eyes at a post that talks about scientific evidence of a creator?

oh wait, i know, because you believe in a 3 thousand year old earth and think anything to the contrary is blasphemous.

drop the faith in man made religious dogma, dude!

 ::)


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Ross Erstling on January 07, 2013, 01:33:39 PM
suggest you also study the evolution of the COSMOS. Structures that aren't subject to the containment earth share the same geometrical patterns of structures here on earth. Look up the number Phi and how the 1.16 number appears over and over again im nature.  Point is, there are other forces at work, besides natural selection..these forces act uniformly, everywhere in the universe.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Voice of Doom on January 07, 2013, 01:36:41 PM
I stopped read after this, "Information, as a law, must always come from an intelligent source such as a computer or a brain"

"Information" is not a "law".  "Information is the creation of coherency out of random data.  As such, "information" is determined by the receiver not the transmitter of data signals.  Any 1st year physics student would know that.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The True Adonis on January 07, 2013, 01:37:38 PM
End of thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgtBNlYZ80g


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The True Adonis on January 07, 2013, 01:41:12 PM
End of Thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKlyoNoKK6E


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: dr.chimps on January 07, 2013, 01:41:43 PM
I'm on my phone while eating, and although I will respond to your post when I can, I can say with certainty that if you aren't familiar with cynamics, the study of sound vibrational frequencies on the behavior of matter, you are no scientist at all and don't have a fully comprehensive view of the universe.  Perhaps you know a thing or two about biology, but that doesn't mean you've investigated every branch of science as rigorously and a thoroughly as I have.  To be continued ..


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Ross Erstling on January 07, 2013, 01:43:16 PM
I stopped read after this, "Information, as a law, must always come from an intelligent source such as a computer or a brain"

"Information" is not a "law".  "Information is the creation of coherency out of random data.  As such, "information" is determined by the receiver not the transmitter of data signals.  Any 1st year physics student would know that.

INFORMATION THEORY; Classical information and Quantum Information

BITS and QUIBITS

Do you even know what you're talking about? lol


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The True Adonis on January 07, 2013, 01:45:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDF8nAd0pbk


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Ross Erstling on January 07, 2013, 01:48:52 PM
By the way, I first read the Selfish Gene and The Blind Watchmaker, both by Richard Dawkins, when I was only 18 years old.  Science is my life. I read Hawking's Brief History of Time that same year..


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The True Adonis on January 07, 2013, 01:52:15 PM
By the way, I first read the Selfish Gene and The Blind Watchmaker, both by Richard Dawkins, when I was only 18 years old.  Science is my life. I read Hawking's Brief History of Time that same year..
Obviously you did not grasp either. You would have NEVER made this thread if you had understood it.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: King Shizzo on January 07, 2013, 01:55:26 PM
None of this scientific mumbo jumbo, will get me to believe that everything once came from a sigle-celled organism.  We humans like to think we have a grasp on it all.  We have no clue.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: syntaxmachine on January 07, 2013, 02:01:42 PM
While you're at it, look up fractal geometry and patterns in nature.  Do you even know what fibonacci numbers are?

Yes, I love fibonacci bread. It's good stuff, especially when dabbed in a light, sharp olive oil.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on January 07, 2013, 02:06:16 PM
Obviously you did not grasp either. You would have NEVER made this thread if you had understood it.

Ouch someone just got burned lol


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on January 07, 2013, 02:09:16 PM
Ross Erstling's nose showed up to start this thread yesterday


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: syntaxmachine on January 07, 2013, 02:13:50 PM
INFORMATION THEORY; Classical information and Quantum Information

BITS and QUIBITS

Do you even know what you're talking about? lol

QUARKS

UNIVERSAL GRAMMAR and LANGUAGE FACULTY

PRINCIPLES and PARAMETERS

MAYANS

I can play this game too bra, but what's it got to do with evolution via natural selection?


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Voice of Doom on January 07, 2013, 02:15:46 PM
INFORMATION THEORY; Classical information and Quantum Information

BITS and QUIBITS

Do you even know what you're talking about? lol

Yes I do.  Information theory is all about 'signal processing'.  Processing........not creation.......processin g...get it?


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Ross Erstling on January 07, 2013, 02:17:29 PM
Any way you cut the cake we are back to square 1...

Even if natural selection was solely responsible for evolution of life on earth, HOW IS THE PROCESS OF EVOLUTION EVEN POSSIBLE!?  The LAWS OF PHYSICS!  And how are the laws of physics so precisely tuned for life and intelligence??

Listen--LIFE and INTELLIGENCE are not just possible..they are INEVITABLE!  In THIS UNIVERSE, with these SPECIFIC LAWS OF PHYSICS and FORCES of the Universe (Electromagnetism, Gravity, Strong and Weak Nuclear), given enough time, LIFE AND INTELLIGENCE WILL ALWAYS EMERGE!  THE UINVERSE IS INTELLIGENT and LEARNED how to create OBSERVERS--which is why it needs us in the first place; in order to collapse the WAVE FUNCTION! :)


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 07, 2013, 02:19:02 PM
Any way you cut the cake we are back to square 1...

Even if natural selection was solely responsible for evolution of life on earth, HOW IS THE PROCESS OF EVOLUTION EVEN POSSIBLE!?  The LAWS OF PHYSCIS!  And how are the laws of physics so precisely tuned for life and intelligence??

Listen--LIFE and INTELLIGENCE are not just possible..they are INEVITABLE!  In THIS UNIVERSE, with these SPECIFIC LAWS OF PHYSICS and FORCES of the Universe (Electromagnetism, Gravity, Strong and Weak Nuclear), given enough time, LIFE AND INTELLIGENCE WILL ALWAYS EMERGE!  THE UINVERSE IS INTELLIGENT and LEARNED how to create OBSERVERS--which is why it needs us in the first place; in order to collapse the WAVE FUNCTION! :)


so when does the other shoe drop and you pitch some crappy new product ?


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Ross Erstling on January 07, 2013, 02:19:43 PM

so when does the other shoe drop and you pitch some crappy new product ?
This is just a fun thread that I started, not pushing any products today. :)

For that matter, I usually don't..


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: syntaxmachine on January 07, 2013, 02:21:18 PM
Any way you cut the cake we are back to square 1...

Even if natural selection was solely responsible for evolution of life on earth, HOW IS THE PROCESS OF EVOLUTION EVEN POSSIBLE!?  The LAWS OF PHYSICS!  And how are the laws of physics so precisely tuned for life and intelligence??

Listen--LIFE and INTELLIGENCE are not just possible..they are INEVITABLE!  In THIS UNIVERSE, with these SPECIFIC LAWS OF PHYSICS and FORCES of the Universe (Electromagnetism, Gravity, Strong and Weak Nuclear), given enough time, LIFE AND INTELLIGENCE WILL ALWAYS EMERGE!  THE UINVERSE IS INTELLIGENT and LEARNED how to create OBSERVERS--which is why it needs us in the first place; in order to collapse the WAVE FUNCTION! :)

I think it's great that you enjoy reading and are apparently making a genuine effort to understand some (all?) aspects of the universe. I also understand the desire to deploy information one has just learned (since "when I was 18" clearly means "10 minutes ago on MY PLANE," 'my plane' being capitalized to emphasize your obvious and inherent superiority plus 150 IQ); I'd be lying if I didn't sate that desire with friends and even on here, sometimes.

But the fact is that you haven't really deployed the information here; you've simply listed a bunch of concepts and authors in a very name-droppy fashion. Until you present you Grand Theory of Everything, it isn't apparent that you understand much at all.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Ross Erstling on January 07, 2013, 02:23:55 PM
Obviously you did not grasp either. You would have NEVER made this thread if you had understood it.

Actually, I was a zealous Darwinist for many years, but in light of new SCIENCE, we all must progress..


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Ross Erstling on January 07, 2013, 02:25:21 PM
Oh, and while I'm at it..

It's not JUST the specific laws of physics and the FORCES of the Universe...it is their PRECISE VALUES! :)  if you altered, say, gravity, by the tinest fraction imaginable, the universe would either fly apart of collapse on itself..


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The True Adonis on January 07, 2013, 02:27:12 PM
Oh, and while I'm at it..

It's not JUST the specific laws of physics and the FORCES of the Universe...it is their PRECISE VALUES! :)  if you altered, say, gravity, by the tinest fraction imaginable, the universe would either fly apart of collapse on itself..
No it wouldn`t.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The True Adonis on January 07, 2013, 02:30:15 PM
http://www.nasa.gov/audience/foreducators/topnav/materials/listbytype/Different_Gravity.html


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Kahn.N.Singh on January 07, 2013, 02:37:45 PM
Yeah. You're an agnostic.

I think Mr. Erstling is an anosognosic, i.e., he does not know that he does not know what the f.u.c.k. he's talking about.

Moreover, Erstling,


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Ross Erstling on January 07, 2013, 02:37:52 PM
And to emphasize again, Natural Selection is TRUE and did play a ROLE in evolution of life on earth, but it isn't the sole mechanism.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Ross Erstling on January 07, 2013, 02:39:30 PM
http://www.nasa.gov/audience/foreducators/topnav/materials/listbytype/Different_Gravity.html

LOLLL!!!!

Went RIGHT over your head!

The graviton, the communicator particle of the gravitational force, has a quanitfiable value.  AS DOES the Electromagnetic force, and the strong and weak nuclear forces.

Man, I should have posted this somewhere else, I grossly overestimated the intelligence of get biggers..


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: arce1988 on January 07, 2013, 02:39:42 PM
Getbig....a fucking BODYBUILDING board where members think they know the origins of life...hahahahaahaaa, you can't make this shit up.




 :D


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: syntaxmachine on January 07, 2013, 02:46:29 PM
And to emphasize again, Natural Selection is TRUE and did play a ROLE in evolution of life on earth, but it isn't the sole mechanism.

This claim is trivially true. The one you need to substantiate -- the one you've claimed and implied repeatedly -- is that some scientist on the planet believes that natural selection was the sole driver of evolution. So, please go find a single scientist who says as much, then we can sort out the other claims you've made.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: arce1988 on January 07, 2013, 02:48:10 PM
 There are some very smart brains here on GBF, Ross.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on January 07, 2013, 02:48:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XswfEzKE0UQ


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The True Adonis on January 07, 2013, 02:51:32 PM
Evolution of life has occured here on planet Earth, that is an incontrovertible scientific fact. The fossil record does not lie. However, the MECHANISM of action–meaning, HOW evolution took place, has not been adequately excplained. Natural Selection is true, and plays a large role in the evolution of life, but it certainly isn’t the whole picture. It would take an absolute leap of FAITH for me to believe that something as complex and intricately functioning as the BRAIN arose simply from random mutations and the subtle pressures of natural selection. As a true scientist and philosopher, I don’t make leaps of faith, but rather, I believe in the EVIDENCE, and simply can not accept that Natural Selection is the SOLE cause for ALL of the magnificent and incredible diversity and variation of life here on Earth. Information theory prohibits such a misplaced and unreasonable belief.

Information, as a law, must always come from an intelligent source such as a computer or a brain. Each and every one of the TRILLIONS of cells in our bodies has been programmed with brilliant mathematical instructions encoded in our DNA. The BRAIN, and all of life on earth, have been intricately and precisely developed, as the most powerful and brilliant TECHNOLOGY of our natural universe. WE as human beings are literally, as heinously complex carbon-based life forms, highly advanced organic TECHNOLOGICAL beings that have even created our OWN technologies, much in our own images. Perhaps our purpose is to continue to PRODUCE, to develop ever more complex technologies that eventually enable us to unlock the full potential of our own DNA(genetic information technology). All of life on earth is highly advanced organic technology, based on the brilliant mathematics of DNA. From the smallest bacterium to the largest fish in the sea, all of life has been progammed by an unmistakably intelligent source, far superior to that of human beings. It is plainly obvious that LIFE, as a complex form of natural organic technology, could not arise simply from random mutations. It is just not possible, and as I scientist, I just can’t believe that.

DOGMATISM exists even among the scientific community, something that I can now see as I have grown older, smarter, and wiser. I will be offering my hypothesis for how life and it’s astounding diversity and variation arose here on earth, using the new sciences of Systems Theory, Chaos and Complexity, Emergent Properties, Quantum Consciousness, Cynamics, and Sacred Geometrical Mathematics.

“Anyone who becomes seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that there is a spirit manifest in the laws of of the Universe, a spirit vastly superior to that of man.”-Albert Einstein
 
“As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.”-”The FOUNDER of Quantum Physics, Max Planck:


Only a moron would make such a statement.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Ross Erstling on January 07, 2013, 03:00:04 PM
Anyone who thinks that the Universe, and all of the life and intelligence within it, is just a random accident, has more faith than Moses on the holy mountain lol. 


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: arce1988 on January 07, 2013, 03:01:43 PM
  Ross, what did it? Can you name it?


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The True Adonis on January 07, 2013, 03:04:27 PM
Anyone who thinks that the Universe, and all of the life and intelligence within it, is just a random accident, has more faith than Moses on the holy mountain lol. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pL5vzIMAhs


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Ross Erstling on January 07, 2013, 03:07:08 PM
The Universe is intelligent, and has created matter, life, and intelligence.  Is it that hard to believe?  How do you think HUMANS developed intelligence?  Is it not possible that the Universe itself posesses some kind of intelligence and consciousness?  WHAT THE HELL PROGRAMMED THIS UNIVERSE!? LOL


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The True Adonis on January 07, 2013, 03:11:47 PM
The Universe is intelligent, and has created matter, life, and intelligence.  Is it that hard to believe?  How do you think HUMANS developed intelligence?  Is it not possible that the Universe itself posesses some kind of intelligence and consciousness?  WHAT THE HELL PROGRAMMED THIS UNIVERSE!? LOL
Now you are really showing your stupidity.  Best to have this thread deleted.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: arce1988 on January 07, 2013, 03:13:05 PM
  Ross, Neil is far smarter than you. Agree?


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Lord Humungous on January 07, 2013, 03:14:55 PM
So I guess the point is that Ross and Adam are gay lovers that ram cucumbers up each others asses?? or did I miss something??  ::)


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Ross Erstling on January 07, 2013, 03:16:07 PM
  Ross, Neil is far smarter than you. Agree?
LOL

There is incontrovertible evidence that the UNIVERSE ITSELF is intelligent and conscious.  Matter is derived from consciousness, learn the NEW science of Quantum Cognition.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Ross Erstling on January 07, 2013, 03:17:15 PM
LOL

There is incontrovertible evidence that the UNIVERSE ITSELF is intelligent and conscious.  Matter is derived from consciousness, learn the NEW science of Quantum Cognition.

in fact, the oscilating universe model suggests that the universe has expanded and collapsed an almost INFINITE number of times, until evetually LEARNING how to create a stable universe with life and intelligence.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The True Adonis on January 07, 2013, 03:17:52 PM
LOL

There is incontrovertible evidence that the UNIVERSE ITSELF is intelligent and conscious.  Matter is derived from consciousness, learn the NEW science of Quantum Cognition.
Post the evidence. 


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: arce1988 on January 07, 2013, 03:17:57 PM
  Ross... you are smart. You have a point. Neil is smart. He has a point. Look at his analogy of 99.99% and tell me what you think.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: 99 Bananas on January 07, 2013, 03:25:08 PM
When you cease to cherish opinions all you will know is truth.

How do you know what you know is true? Who has the authority to say anything other than the is-ness itself?


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: arce1988 on January 07, 2013, 03:28:57 PM
http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2012/08/10/the-10-smartest-people-alive-today/


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: syntaxmachine on January 07, 2013, 03:43:12 PM
Ross? Have you landed your plane and reached a PC yet? We've yet to receive a single answer to the basicmost questions asked of your claims, nor seen anything of your Grand Theory of Everything.

This claim is trivially true. The one you need to substantiate -- the one you've claimed and implied repeatedly -- is that some scientist on the planet believes that natural selection was the sole driver of evolution. So, please go find a single scientist who says as much, then we can sort out the other claims you've made.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: OneMoreRep on January 07, 2013, 03:58:06 PM
Evolution of life has occured

I stopped reading after the incontrovertible misspelling of "occurred" occurred.

"1"


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: arce1988 on January 07, 2013, 04:01:33 PM
 Typo?


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The True Adonis on January 07, 2013, 04:05:18 PM
Typo?
Maybe it was a random "occurerence".  :D


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: arce1988 on January 07, 2013, 04:07:02 PM
  :D


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on January 07, 2013, 04:08:16 PM
LOL

There is incontrovertible evidence that the UNIVERSE ITSELF is intelligent and conscious.  Matter is derived from consciousness, learn the NEW science of Quantum Cognition.

Some also say that there's no evidence to show that the Universe isn't just a hologram


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: dr.chimps on January 07, 2013, 04:09:24 PM
Someone give Prof. Erstling a standing eight. He's out on his feet.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: haider on January 07, 2013, 04:26:42 PM
Evolution of life has occured here on planet Earth, that is an incontrovertible scientific fact. The fossil record does not lie. However, the MECHANISM of action–meaning, HOW evolution took place, has not been adequately excplained. Natural Selection is true, and plays a large role in the evolution of life, but it certainly isn’t the whole picture. It would take an absolute leap of FAITH for me to believe that something as complex and intricately functioning as the BRAIN arose simply from random mutations and the subtle pressures of natural selection. As a true scientist and philosopher, I don’t make leaps of faith, but rather, I believe in the EVIDENCE, and simply can not accept that Natural Selection is the SOLE cause for ALL of the magnificent and incredible diversity and variation of life here on Earth. Information theory prohibits such a misplaced and unreasonable belief.

that's where I stopped reading  :-\

Is there proof that you even have a bachelors?


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Ross Erstling on January 07, 2013, 04:28:41 PM
Some also say that there's no evidence to show that the Universe isn't just a hologram
Yess, the holographic universe..Prettu amazing..


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The True Adonis on January 07, 2013, 04:33:56 PM
Ross "Ace" Hanlon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wM8RREueMQ


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Ross Erstling on January 07, 2013, 05:31:54 PM
As intelligent as humans are as a species, we can not create a living organism.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: SF1900 on January 07, 2013, 05:34:17 PM
lol @ Ross Erstling actually believing what he types.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Emmortal on January 07, 2013, 05:36:48 PM
I always have a chuckle when I read this guys posts.  He tried selling snake oil on OLM and was banned and now he comes here looking to peddle his thoughts on the cosmic universe.

How interesting  ::)


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The True Adonis on January 07, 2013, 05:40:22 PM
As intelligent as humans are as a species, we can not create a living organism.
::)
Tell us how you created magical supplements that allow one to make gains of steroid users Naturally.  Wait, that didn`t happen either.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: TrueGrit on January 07, 2013, 06:43:16 PM
We've evolved into beady, too -close -together -eyed, hook nosed , parental assistance dependent wankers that take a lot of drugs and always seem to have a greasy, shiny film on our faces.


Fucking great, Ross


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: haider on January 07, 2013, 06:50:15 PM
On second thought I think we got trolled HARD in thia thread  ;D


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The True Adonis on January 07, 2013, 07:02:05 PM
On second thought I think we got trolled HARD in thia thread  ;D
No.  He has pulled this nonsense in the past.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: haider on January 07, 2013, 08:01:59 PM
No.  He has pulled this nonsense in the past.
Its the way he's writing. For example, repeatedly refering to himself as a scientist, and claiming he has 'thoroughly researched' science. No way he actually believws that. Honestly reminds me of another gimmick bit i cant quite put my finger on it.

Good job Ross on getting a rise out of the getbig intellectual elite.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Ross Erstling on January 07, 2013, 08:18:58 PM
What am I, 5 years old?  This is no gimmick, here is the post from my BLOG: www.rosserstling.wordpre ss.com


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: haider on January 07, 2013, 08:24:58 PM
What am I, 5 years old?  This is no gimmick, here is the post from my BLOG: www.rosserstling.wordpre ss.com
:-\


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Twaddle on January 07, 2013, 08:25:24 PM
What am I, 5 years old?  This is no gimmick, here is the post from my BLOG: www.rosserstling.wordpre ss.com

(http://imageshack.us/a/img651/2710/tumblrlla8qrweao1qc236o.jpg)


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: haider on January 07, 2013, 08:31:34 PM
What am I, 5 years old?  This is no gimmick, here is the post from my BLOG: www.rosserstling.wordpre ss.com
how the fuck do you call yourself a 'true scientist' and 'philosopher'?

what the fuck have you achieved in these areas that would prove you as such  ???

I don't know what the point of your rants is honestly.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: haider on January 07, 2013, 08:34:15 PM
Alien Technology Based On UNKNOWN ELEMENTS
by Ross Erstling
Posted: December 22, 2012 in Science   

An advanced alien species coming from another distant planet would have technology that is not based on our known chemistry, as the planet from which they came would have a much different composition and spectrum of ELEMENTS. Perhaps, they themselves are not even carbon-based life forms. Therefore, we would expect not to see “space ships” constructed of earthly metals, but rather, “vehicles” that are comprised of entirely different elements, some of which may be completely UNKNOWN. This would explain the odd color lights that we see in the footage..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFRKJ6PZZ3c



'Unknown elements'  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: mr.turbo on January 07, 2013, 08:47:25 PM
(http://www.dweebist.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/gravitron.png)

did somebody say gravitron?


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Ross Erstling on January 07, 2013, 10:09:38 PM
how the fuck do you call yourself a 'true scientist' and 'philosopher'?

what the fuck have you achieved in these areas that would prove you as such  ???

I don't know what the point of your rants is honestly.

A "true scientist" has nothing to do with what you've accomplished, but rather, what you have learned.  The word "philosopher" simply means "lover of wisdom", which I am.

The POINT of my rant was simply to have some intelligent discourse, which I happen to enjoy.



Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: SF1900 on January 07, 2013, 10:13:09 PM
A "true scientist" has nothing to do with what you've accomplished, but rather, what you have learned.  The word "philosopher" simply means "lover of wisdom", which I am.

The POINT of my rant was simply to have some intelligent discourse, which I happen to enjoy.



Basically, what you're saying is that youre not smart enough to contribute anything to the scientific field, so you just say you're a true scientist because you have read "Science Fair Projects for Dummies."

(http://images.betterworldbooks.com/076/Science-Fair-Projects-for-Dummies-9780764554605.jpg)


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Vince B on January 07, 2013, 11:05:45 PM
As intelligent as humans are as a species, we can not create a living organism.

....but the intelligent and educated among us can recognize and expose the pseudo-intellects and outright nonsense peddlers who believe all manner of nonsense.

Ross joins the unfortunate mess that was Wiggs a la Dec 21, 2012. Stop with this bullshit about the Universe being intelligent and conscious. Once you accept

this nonsense you literally can believe anything at all. Listen to Adonis and Syntax and shake your sorry head hard to help clear the rubbish therein.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: MP on January 07, 2013, 11:18:47 PM
Tough guy, where's that bench vid you promised us?

Quote from: Ross Erstling
I'll do a bench video this week, legs I did yesterday.  STAY TUNED!

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=346991.msg4908175#msg4908175


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: slicksta on January 07, 2013, 11:43:01 PM
fixed

A "true scientist" has nothing to do with what you've accomplished, but rather, what you have learned.  The word "philosopher" simply means "lover of cock", which I am.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Vince B on January 08, 2013, 12:16:22 AM
Ross and others here should read "Darwin's Dangerous Idea". Evolution is a scientific theory. As such it is accepted by most scientists and sciences. Natural selection is a physical process. Variations occur through natural processes and some get selected if they have some benefit that helps in an environment.

If you insist that other mechanisms are behind the complexity we find in life then list them. It is no explanation whatsoever to suggest an higher intelligence is behind things. That is the stuff of magic and we wouldn't have the technology that we enjoy today unless scientists asked the right questions about the universe. Not everything is known and that goes for evolution. Evolution remains a scientific theory. Lots of gaps remain and perhaps we will never have a complete explanation. However, the process is something that more is known about as time goes on. There are no sky cranes needed to help evolution. If the conditions are right and enough time elapses then life can evolve and via natural selection we can have different species. It doesn't mean that we would get the same species if life evolved again on earth after a mass extinction. Nor would we likely get similar species if life evolves elsewhere in the universe. At the moment there is no evidence that intelligent life or any life whatever exists elsewhere in the universe. The distances between the stars is so vast that interstellar travel seems almost impossible.

Please refrain from thinking that one is informed and educated via the internet. It is possible to learn things but without a grounding in learning it is possible to end up believing utter nonsense. Wiggs was a nincompoop and many of us told him so before the event that didn't occur. There was no need to say anything at all to him afterwards.

Wiggs and Erstling are not idiots or morons but reasonably intelligent guys who were led astray by bullshitters on the internet. People believe all manner of stuff that isn't true so it is nothing to be ashamed of. Believing something from the bottom of your hearts is no guarantee that it is true. What is sad is that these people do not have the vocabulary to sift the sense from the crap one reads online. Go get a real education and try to peddle your nonsense to professors at a recognized university.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Necrosis on January 08, 2013, 05:08:09 AM
Wow I didn't realize this moron believed in the 2012 shit.

The fucking Mayans believed that the earth rested on the backs of four turtles of different colors, yet one would believe they could predict the future, something we cannot do. Also, this predictive power seemed to abscond when Herman Cortes invaded them and ended that shitty sacrificial society. Seems like they were pretty advanced to me.

This whole thread is absurd, it basically is Ross saying, life is too complex for me to understand it can't be via natural selection. People with woman's/haider brains often say things like this.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: avxo on January 08, 2013, 05:12:10 AM
Evolution of life has occured here on planet Earth, that is an incontrovertible scientific fact. The fossil record does not lie. However, the MECHANISM of action–meaning, HOW evolution took place, has not been adequately excplained. Natural Selection is true, and plays a large role in the evolution of life, but it certainly isn’t the whole picture. It would take an absolute leap of FAITH for me to believe that something as complex and intricately functioning as the BRAIN arose simply from random mutations and the subtle pressures of natural selection. As a true scientist and philosopher, I don’t make leaps of faith, but rather, I believe in the EVIDENCE, and simply can not accept that Natural Selection is the SOLE cause for ALL of the magnificent and incredible diversity and variation of life here on Earth. Information theory prohibits such a misplaced and unreasonable belief.

Information, as a law, must always come from an intelligent source such as a computer or a brain. Each and every one of the TRILLIONS of cells in our bodies has been programmed with brilliant mathematical instructions encoded in our DNA. The BRAIN, and all of life on earth, have been intricately and precisely developed, as the most powerful and brilliant TECHNOLOGY of our natural universe. WE as human beings are literally, as heinously complex carbon-based life forms, highly advanced organic TECHNOLOGICAL beings that have even created our OWN technologies, much in our own images. Perhaps our purpose is to continue to PRODUCE, to develop ever more complex technologies that eventually enable us to unlock the full potential of our own DNA(genetic information technology). All of life on earth is highly advanced organic technology, based on the brilliant mathematics of DNA. From the smallest bacterium to the largest fish in the sea, all of life has been progammed by an unmistakably intelligent source, far superior to that of human beings. It is plainly obvious that LIFE, as a complex form of natural organic technology, could not arise simply from random mutations. It is just not possible, and as I scientist, I just can’t believe that.

DOGMATISM exists even among the scientific community, something that I can now see as I have grown older, smarter, and wiser. I will be offering my hypothesis for how life and it’s astounding diversity and variation arose here on earth, using the new sciences of Systems Theory, Chaos and Complexity, Emergent Properties, Quantum Consciousness, Cynamics, and Sacred Geometrical Mathematics.

“Anyone who becomes seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that there is a spirit manifest in the laws of of the Universe, a spirit vastly superior to that of man.”-Albert Einstein
 
“As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.”-”The FOUNDER of Quantum Physics, Max Planck:


You type this nonsense and claim to be a "true scientist" in the same post? You've got balls, I'll give you that.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: mr.turbo on January 08, 2013, 06:01:15 AM
Mr earthling,

have you been dabbling in the psychoactive powders hmmm???

bizarre behavior. careful son!


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Voice of Doom on January 08, 2013, 07:40:40 AM
We've evolved into beady, too -close -together -eyed, hook nosed , parental assistance dependent wankers that take a lot of drugs and always seem to have a greasy, shiny film on our faces.


Fucking great, Ross

Brutal   ;D


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Ross Erstling on January 08, 2013, 08:07:50 AM
Ross and others here should read "Darwin's Dangerous Idea". Evolution is a scientific theory. As such it is accepted by most scientists and sciences. Natural selection is a physical process. Variations occur through natural processes and some get selected if they have some benefit that helps in an environment.

If you insist that other mechanisms are behind the complexity we find in life then list them. It is no explanation whatsoever to suggest an higher intelligence is behind things. That is the stuff of magic and we wouldn't have the technology that we enjoy today unless scientists asked the right questions about the universe. Not everything is known and that goes for evolution. Evolution remains a scientific theory. Lots of gaps remain and perhaps we will never have a complete explanation. However, the process is something that more is known about as time goes on. There are no sky cranes needed to help evolution. If the conditions are right and enough time elapses then life can evolve and via natural selection we can have different species. It doesn't mean that we would get the same species if life evolved again on earth after a mass extinction. Nor would we likely get similar species if life evolves elsewhere in the universe. At the moment there is no evidence that intelligent life or any life whatever exists elsewhere in the universe. The distances between the stars is so vast that interstellar travel seems almost impossible.

Please refrain from thinking that one is informed and educated via the internet. It is possible to learn things but without a grounding in learning it is possible to end up believing utter nonsense. Wiggs was a nincompoop and many of us told him so before the event that didn't occur. There was no need to say anything at all to him afterwards.

Wiggs and Erstling are not idiots or morons but reasonably intelligent guys who were led astray by bullshitters on the internet. People believe all manner of stuff that isn't true so it is nothing to be ashamed of. Believing something from the bottom of your hearts is no guarantee that it is true. What is sad is that these people do not have the vocabulary to sift the sense from the crap one reads online. Go get a real education and try to peddle your nonsense to professors at a recognized university.

I will say it again, I was hooked on SCIENCE way before I became interested in BODYBUILDING.  I will also say, I never thought in a MILLION years that I would eventually come to disbelieve that Natural Selection was the sole force of Evolution on earth.  However, after reading some new and interesting materials on Chaos and Complexity Theory, Information Theory(Quantum and classical),Quantum Conciousness, and Fractal Geometry, I had an epiphany, and can no longer accept the DOGMA.  I expect to get heat, I mean after all, I am challenging one of the most accepted scientific theories of all time.  But hey, when Einstein FLIPPED Newtonian Physics upside down, everyone called him "stupid" and "crazy".

NATURAL SELECTION, as a mechanism of action for evolution, has many fundamental scientific and philosophical problems.  MANY modern scientists are challenging the Darwin dogma, I encourage you to conduct your own research, ie, GOOGLE! :)


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: haider on January 08, 2013, 08:15:35 AM
I will say it again, I was hooked on SCIENCE way before I became interested in BODYBUILDING.  I will also say, I never thought in a MILLION years that I would eventually come to disbelieve that Natural Selection was the sole force of Evolution on earth.  However, after reading some new and interesting materials on Chaos and Complexity Theory, Information Theory(Quantum and classical),Quantum Conciousness, and Fractal Geometry, I had an epiphany, and can no longer accept the DOGMA.  I expect to get heat, I mean after all, I am challenging one of the most accepted scientific theories of all time.  But hey, when Einstein FLIPPED Newtonian Physics upside down, everyone called him "stupid" and "crazy".

NATURAL SELECTION, as a mechanism of action for evolution, has many fundamental scientific and philosophical problems.  MANY modern scientists are challenging the Darwin dogma, I encourage you to conduct your own research, ie, GOOGLE! :)
LOL now this asshole is comparing himself to Einstein  ;D if you aint joking u sure are living upto the guido stereotype with your inflated sense of self and lack of self awareness.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Ross Erstling on January 08, 2013, 08:19:55 AM
LOL now this asshole is comparing himself to Einstein  ;D if you aint joking u sure are living upto the guido stereotype with your inflated sense of self and lack of self awareness.

Listen, it may be hard to believe, but little old Ross Erstling has an IQ score that places him in the 99.7th percentile.  YES. :)

I am certainly NOT a "guido", check my blog and you can get an idea of who I am for yourself.

I am not comparing myself to Einstein--just using him as an analogy.  TRUTH is often first rejected, often vehemently, before accepted.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: PJim on January 08, 2013, 08:29:44 AM
The Universe is intelligent, and has created matter, life, and intelligence.  Is it that hard to believe?  How do you think HUMANS developed intelligence?  Is it not possible that the Universe itself posesses some kind of intelligence and consciousness?  WHAT THE HELL PROGRAMMED THIS UNIVERSE!? LOL

Ross, let me blow your nose for you, I'm closer.
Anyway...
We ARE The Universe you cretin. As Sagan poignantly pointed out, "We are a way for the universe to know itself". We aren't separate from it. Stop applying living values such as "intelligence" to The Universe as a whole when part of it seems very complicated to you.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Ross Erstling on January 08, 2013, 08:33:24 AM
Ross, let me blow your nose for you, I'm closer.
Anyway...
We ARE The Universe you cretin. As Sagan poignantly pointed out, "We are a way for the universe to know itself". We aren't separate from it. Stop applying living values such as "intelligence" to The Universe as a whole when part of it seems very complicated to you.

Intelligence is not a "living quality", this is what Quantum Physics has revealed! :)


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Vince B on January 08, 2013, 08:40:43 AM
Listen, it may be hard to believe, but little old Ross Erstling has an IQ score that places him in the 99.7th percentile.  YES. :)


99.7 = 142. Claiming high IQ on Getbig = foolishness.

Yes, Ross, scientific theories can be mistaken and most can be improved. I see no evidence that you have improved the theory of evolution. All that jargon you use shows you use Google it doesn't prove scholarship.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Kahn.N.Singh on January 08, 2013, 08:42:40 AM
I will say it again, I was hooked on SCIENCE way before I became interested in BODYBUILDING.  I will also say, I never thought in a MILLION years that I would eventually come to disbelieve that Natural Selection was the sole force of Evolution on earth.  However, after reading some new and interesting materials on Chaos and Complexity Theory, Information Theory(Quantum and classical),Quantum Conciousness, and Fractal Geometry, I had an epiphany, and can no longer accept the DOGMA.  I expect to get heat, I mean after all, I am challenging one of the most accepted scientific theories of all time.  But hey, when Einstein FLIPPED Newtonian Physics upside down, everyone called him "stupid" and "crazy".

NATURAL SELECTION, as a mechanism of action for evolution, has many fundamental scientific and philosophical problems.  MANY modern scientists are challenging the Darwin dogma, I encourage you to conduct your own research, ie, GOOGLE! :)

Although it's not my main area of research, I've done work in complex dynamical systems theory and have had it cited by a respected philosopher of science in his published research. I presently have a paper in my inbox that I've been asked to read from a well-known researcher in emergence theory. Without giving too much away, it deals with nonlinearity, fractals, complexity, and absentials. I haven't read it closely because I'm busy with other stuff, but I was flattered that he sent it to me for some input. I've read what you've written here at the Getbig Institute for Advanced Studies, and I feel qualified to say:

1. You're challenging squat. My guess is that you're merely reading "pop science" versions of serious reserch.
2. You're not presenting an iota of original research.
3. Hahahahahahah to you and Einstein.

I'm with haider and some others on this: I hope for your sake that you're just fucking around.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Necrosis on January 08, 2013, 08:43:11 AM
Intelligence is not a "living quality", this is what Quantum Physics has revealed! :)

no it has not, what are you talking about specifically, you keep mentioning theories but never expand, sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about. Intelligence, sentience requires a brain, we know this because intelligence and sentience decreases on a scale as brain structure, neural connections decrease. Quantum physics has stated no such thing, collapsing of the wave function does not prove anything but wave/particle duality and quantum entanglement if that is what you are getting at is well described.

this is what you sound like " through reading things like quantum loop gravity, supersymmetry and new state of lattice water it's obvious natural selection doesn't account for everything." meanwhile you mention stupid ideas like the holographic universe (terrible fucking book).


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: syntaxmachine on January 08, 2013, 08:54:44 AM
I will say it again, I was hooked on SCIENCE way before I became interested in BODYBUILDING.  I will also say, I never thought in a MILLION years that I would eventually come to disbelieve that Natural Selection was the sole force of Evolution on earth.  However, after reading some new and interesting materials on Chaos and Complexity Theory, Information Theory(Quantum and classical),Quantum Conciousness, and Fractal Geometry, I had an epiphany, and can no longer accept the DOGMA.  I expect to get heat, I mean after all, I am challenging one of the most accepted scientific theories of all time.  But hey, when Einstein FLIPPED Newtonian Physics upside down, everyone called him "stupid" and "crazy".

NATURAL SELECTION, as a mechanism of action for evolution, has many fundamental scientific and philosophical problems.  MANY modern scientists are challenging the Darwin dogma, I encourage you to conduct your own research, ie, GOOGLE! :)

1. You seem confused about the nature of what you're trying to assert: asserting that natural selection isn't the sole driver of evolution isn't the same as asserting that it is somehow flawed and thus susceptible to 'challenge'; these are two entirely different propositions you are conflating.

2. It's a tired strategy to attack positions nobody holds, but an all too common move all the same (hence its having its own linguistic coinage, the 'straw man fallacy.'). You've yet to establish that any reputed expert on the planet believes that natural selection is the sole driver of evolution, yet this is the supposed dogma you are challenging.

3. Speaking of your challenge, you've yet to make it. Blithely and confusedly equivocating between two assertions (see 1.) and then randomly uttering a string of technical terms ("Fibonacci," "fine-tuning," "Mayans," "guido") does not constitute a challenge to anything; it isn't even a coherent sequence of communication.

I am certainly NOT a "guido", check my blog and you can get an idea of who I am for yourself.

I took a gander at the blog and, in conjunction with your posts here, its content evinces someone who -- while apparently having a genuine interest in the material at hand -- has vastly overrated their own cognitive capacities (i.e., the Dunning-Kruger effect on steroids...er) and simultaneously lacks the skill to thrash out an actual, coherent argument for others to evaluate.

Then again, if the IQ claims are accurate then you already know this and are just having a laugh. Do grace us with your magical theory if you've got the time, though.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Twaddle on January 08, 2013, 08:54:52 AM
Ross = The New SMM   :D


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Ross Erstling on January 08, 2013, 09:13:07 AM
1. You seem confused about the nature of what you're trying to assert: asserting that natural selection isn't the sole driver of evolution isn't the same as asserting that it is somehow flawed and thus susceptible to 'challenge'; these are two entirely different propositions you are conflating.

2. It's a tired strategy to attack positions nobody holds, but an all too common move all the same (hence its having its own linguistic coinage, the 'straw man fallacy.'). You've yet to establish that any reputed expert on the planet believes that natural selection is the sole driver of evolution, yet this is the supposed dogma you are challenging.

3. Speaking of your challenge, you've yet to make it. Blithely and confusedly equivocating between two assertions (see 1.) and then randomly uttering a string of technical terms ("Fibonacci," "fine-tuning," "Mayans," "guido") does not constitute a challenge to anything; it isn't even a coherent sequence of communication.

I took a gander at the blog and, in conjunction with your posts here, its content evinces someone who -- while apparently having a genuine interest in the material at hand -- has vastly overrated their own cognitive capacities (i.e., the Dunning-Kruger effect on steroids...er) and simultaneously lacks the skill to thrash out an actual, coherent argument for others to evaluate.

Then again, if the IQ claims are accurate then you already know this and are just having a laugh. Do grace us with your magical theory if you've got the time, though.

This wasn't intended to be a thesis, it was merely a thought provoking post.  Of course I have a much more thorough and coherent theory of the MULTIVERSE, but it wold require that my audience have at least a fundamental understanding of Quantum Physics, Classical Physics, EMERGENT PROPERTIES, fractal gemoetry, and THE BRAIN.

(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/36072_459004271984_592112_n.jpg)


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: dr.chimps on January 08, 2013, 09:16:05 AM
This wasn't intended to be a thesis, it was merely a thought provoking post.  Of course I have a much more thorough and coherent theory of the MULTIVERSE, but it wold require that my audience have at least a fundamental understanding of Quantum Physics, Classical Physics, EMERGENT PROPERTIES, fractal gemoetry, and THE BRAIN.

(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/36072_459004271984_592112_n.jpg)
Please let us know in what periodical/journal your next article will be published. Thanks in advance.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: lovemonkey on January 08, 2013, 09:18:13 AM
Well I guess the only thing we can take from this thread is that having a supposedly high IQ doesn't prevent you from being a douchedick moron.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Kahn.N.Singh on January 08, 2013, 09:37:38 AM
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/36072_459004271984_592112_n.jpg)

Why did you have to undergo a psychological evaluation? Were you institutionalized? Was the WISC-III part of your psychosocial report?

In any case, you seem to have been a very bright boy (the WISC is for kids). But, based on the content of your posts and career moves (opportunities?), you seem to have regressed (perhaps you've undergone a "regression toward the mean").

It's also telling that you want to defend your "intelligence" on a BB board. I suspect that you can get over having a bodypart dismissed as weak or inadequate easier than having your intelligence dismissed as deficient or stupid.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: TrueGrit on January 08, 2013, 09:46:36 AM
This wasn't intended to be a thesis, it was merely a thought provoking post.  Of course I have a much more thorough and coherent theory of the MULTIVERSE, but it wold require that my audience have at least a fundamental understanding of Quantum Physics, Classical Physics, EMERGENT PROPERTIES, fractal gemoetry, and THE BRAIN.

(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/36072_459004271984_592112_n.jpg)


I'll admit, I know nothing of it.  :'(


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Vince B on January 08, 2013, 06:43:12 PM
Only on Getbig would one feel compelled to post supporting documents!  


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: arce1988 on January 09, 2013, 03:01:43 PM
Chapter 5 of the Tao Te Ching begins with the lines "Heaven and Earth are heartless / treating creatures like straw dogs".


Su Ch'e commentary on this verse explains: "Heaven and Earth are not partial. They do not kill living things out of cruelty or give them birth out of kindness. We do the same when we make straw dogs to use in sacrifices. We dress them up and put them on the altar, but not because we love them. And when the ceremony is over, we throw them into the street, but not because we hate them."


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: SF1900 on January 09, 2013, 07:17:59 PM
So, basically Ross Erstling posts the KNOWLEDGE of other people, while calling himself a true scientist lol.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: haider on January 09, 2013, 07:19:15 PM
So, basically Ross Erstling posts the KNOWLEDGE of other people, while calling himself a true scientist lol.
guido wanker


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: SF1900 on January 09, 2013, 07:20:39 PM
guido wanker

Pretty much. Even if has a genius IQ, what does that mean? He has not done anything useful with it, except start a supplement company out of his dads warehouse. No real contribution to society.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: arce1988 on January 09, 2013, 07:21:02 PM
  Stanford Binet  ;)      and I will be happy


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: haider on January 09, 2013, 07:21:58 PM
Pretty much. Even if has a genius IQ, what does that mean? He has not done anything useful with it, except start a supplement company out of his dads warehouse. No real contribution to society.
who knows what standardized test he took. if it was normalized to other guidos it doesn't mean much does it  ???


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: SF1900 on January 09, 2013, 07:23:41 PM
who knows what standardized test he took. if it was normalized to other guidos it doesn't mean much does it  ???

He posted the results above. ITs from the WISC - III, a very standardized test.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: haider on January 09, 2013, 07:24:47 PM
He posted the results above. ITs from the WISC - III, a very standardized test.
ok i missed it  ;D


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: haider on January 09, 2013, 07:26:31 PM
ok i missed it  ;D
he doesn't mention what age he took it at. It's possible for children to have high IQs with specialised training at an early age, but they fall back to average as they get older.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: SF1900 on January 09, 2013, 07:27:02 PM
ok i missed it  ;D

 ;D ;D

Even so, what he has he done with his genius, except start a supplement company, and post the knowledge of others on GB?  ::) ::) :-\ :-\


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: lovemonkey on January 09, 2013, 07:27:40 PM
What good does a supercomputer do if the only software it can run is Minesweeper?


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: haider on January 09, 2013, 07:32:10 PM
What good does a supercomputer do if the only software it can run is Minesweeper?
are you saying he's autistic?  :D

;D ;D

Even so, what he has he done with his genius, except start a supplement company, and post the knowledge of others on GB?  ::) ::) :-\ :-\
I hate commenting on people's intelligence (because its not nice, and who am I to tell someone what they are capable of) but he's putting it out there himself. He just hasn't shown us anything here that's too noteworthy. Not to ofcourse say that he can't, just that he hasn't.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: SF1900 on January 09, 2013, 07:35:18 PM
are you saying he's autistic?  :D
I hate commenting on people's intelligence (because its not nice, and who am I to tell someone what they are capable of) but he's putting it out there himself. He just hasn't shown us anything here that's too noteworthy. Not to ofcourse say that he can't, just that he hasn't.

He will just keep posting the same stuff over and over again. Not an original thought in that pea brain.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Ropo on January 09, 2013, 09:47:07 PM
Evolution of life has occured here on planet Earth, that is an incontrovertible scientific fact. The fossil record does not lie. However, the MECHANISM of action–meaning, HOW evolution took place, has not been adequately excplained. Natural Selection is true, and plays a large role in the evolution of life, but it certainly isn’t the whole picture. It would take an absolute leap of FAITH for me to believe that something as complex and intricately functioning as the BRAIN arose simply from random mutations and the subtle pressures of natural selection. As a true scientist and philosopher, I don’t make leaps of faith, but rather, I believe in the EVIDENCE, and simply can not accept that Natural Selection is the SOLE cause for ALL of the magnificent and incredible diversity and variation of life here on Earth. Information theory prohibits such a misplaced and unreasonable belief.

Information, as a law, must always come from an intelligent source such as a computer or a brain. Each and every one of the TRILLIONS of cells in our bodies has been programmed with brilliant mathematical instructions encoded in our DNA. The BRAIN, and all of life on earth, have been intricately and precisely developed, as the most powerful and brilliant TECHNOLOGY of our natural universe. WE as human beings are literally, as heinously complex carbon-based life forms, highly advanced organic TECHNOLOGICAL beings that have even created our OWN technologies, much in our own images. Perhaps our purpose is to continue to PRODUCE, to develop ever more complex technologies that eventually enable us to unlock the full potential of our own DNA(genetic information technology). All of life on earth is highly advanced organic technology, based on the brilliant mathematics of DNA. From the smallest bacterium to the largest fish in the sea, all of life has been progammed by an unmistakably intelligent source, far superior to that of human beings. It is plainly obvious that LIFE, as a complex form of natural organic technology, could not arise simply from random mutations. It is just not possible, and as I scientist, I just can’t believe that.

DOGMATISM exists even among the scientific community, something that I can now see as I have grown older, smarter, and wiser. I will be offering my hypothesis for how life and it’s astounding diversity and variation arose here on earth, using the new sciences of Systems Theory, Chaos and Complexity, Emergent Properties, Quantum Consciousness, Cynamics, and Sacred Geometrical Mathematics.

“Anyone who becomes seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that there is a spirit manifest in the laws of of the Universe, a spirit vastly superior to that of man.”-Albert Einstein
 
“As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.”-”The FOUNDER of Quantum Physics, Max Planck:


How nice. You have found some pseudo scientist mumbo jumbo bullshit, and now you think that you have a brains? You haven't, instead of that you have found how they sell even the silliest bullshit theories to the stupid people. Conspiracy theories are all the same, they give you some unproved claims and and loads of bullshit, and because you are unable to think it through with your own brains, you believe every word of that pile of shit. Evolution is proved, natural selection is proved, they have been in the moon, and the 9/11 isn't an inside job. Wake up, you moron, that all is bullshit. 


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Natural Man on January 10, 2013, 04:53:10 AM
MAN THE SOCIAL ANIMAL

Man, the human animal, must satisfy certain natural basic needs in order to survive. He must eat, drink, excrete, sleep, maintain adequate health and procreate. These needs constitute the innate nature of man.

But Man cannot live alone—he must enter into relationship with his fellows if he is to develop and maintain adequate mental and physical health. We know that this dependency of man on others is exhibited in the continuum of the life process, with the parent-offspring relationship and with his existence within the womb and during infancy. The organism is dependent upon the maternal organism for the satisfaction of its needs. This satisfaction is the result of biological co-operation between the embryo, or the infant, and the maternal organism. The maternal organism, too, can only exist so long as the cells and tissues which comprise it act in co-operation one with the other. An individual cannot live if, among other functions, the heart does not pump blood to circulate through the body or the lungs do not supply oxygen, or blood does not reach the brain. Food must be broken down and digested so that the ingredients necessary to replace worn tissue and the supply of vitamin and mineral needs to the body is assured—the whole process of co-operation within the individual. Man's life can only continue so long as his bodily function are co-operative — in short, where there is biological harmony.

The above brief look at man as an individual leads us to examine him as a social being — one who lives in a group, subject to the demands and pressures of modern society. The nature of this society is based upon economic conflict. That is, the strivings of one class, (the capitalist class) to maintain and extend its economic supremacy and control over the working class by virtue of its ownership of all the means of wealth production. Man, as a member of the working class, is something less than a man — he is a commodity to be bought and sold on the labour market, just as is a pound of sugar, a loaf of bread or a tube of toothpaste.

Inherent in this capitalist society is conflict between its component classes — the working class and the capitalist class. Concurrently with this is the existence of conflict between worker and worker, between capitalist and capitalist, whether individual, group or national capitalist. This conflict expresses itself in many forms. The struggle of the worker to obtain higher pay, lowered hours of work, improved conditions, or at best, the maintenance of his present conditions of life. For the capitalist class this conflict expresses itself in price-cutting, trade rivalries, search for markets, new methods of production, tariffs, Common Markets, preferred trade agreements, sanction, embargoes and, finally, force of arms — war. But this constant state of war in every human activities is in the nature of everything that exists and lives. Some people are fit for life while others aren't, and disapear if they cannot settle for a compromise. Individuals fight to find a place, and keep it, they're all fighting against younger or older people, people from the opposite sex in a marital relationship, fighting with their colleagues who are never friends, but always opponents, and against their own kids will to overpower them.

This struggle is the direct outcome of the economic basis of capitalist society, that is, the ownership of the means of life by a small minority and the consequent enslavement of the majority, the working class, a society whose existence is dependent upon the production of commodities for sale and profit, a society where competition, aggressiveness and rugged individualism are lauded and exalted as the finest of virtues. This conflict is apparent in the misery surrounding us, in the unemployed, the hunger amidst abundance, the anxiety over losing one's job, in industrial strife, in criminality, prostitution and its attendant evils, in nationalism, war, etc.

This condition exists because man's social organization is built upon a division based upon private property and its relationships, with its consequent innate conflicts and antagonisms. This malady is as easily curable as a tooth-ache from a decayed tooth—remove it and the pain ceases. Remove the private property basis from our society and replace it with common ownership in the means of life and we will enjoy a society which is socially in harmony with man's biological necessity. Biologically man can live only by co-operation economically and socially he will be forced to cooperate if he is to survive. This condition exists because man is an animal and this nature will never change, as a result this struggle inside the human specie will never stop; there will always be people richer, stronger, than others who will be frustrated while at the same time will have the strong desire to become like the people at the top of the pyramid. Basically noone is innocent as we are all by all means necessary and in our hands, fighting to insure a better survival for ourselves at the expense of others. The game and its rules will never change, as they are the same in the vegetal and animal world, everything that lives, exists, is submitted to these rules. Sometimes in the animal world, human specie included, individuals who cannot or do not want to play the game anymore kill themselves, which ultimately benefits those who will stay, unless their survival was dependant of the individual who remove, withdraw himself from the game. We are all dependant of someone else, of others as everything is interdependant. Most people accept this life as long as they have a satisfaction they can envision. Life is made of suffering to obtain a reward; the average man and suffer all day long fighting for his survival against other life forms, thinking about how he ll sit in his couch in the evening , to watch television while eating. Some people are also able to go through an unsatisfying, frustrating life that see them being submitted to people who torture them, because they are at the same preparing a better life for their offsprings; they are basically sacrifying their own hapiness for the planned hapiness of their offsprings later: they cannot dominate in their own life, but are making sure they do everything right so their offsprings will be able to dominate others later. Again, our inner animal nature is revealed here; hapiness is domination, you are happy when you can dominate, or when you can envision your own offspring dominating others. You are unhappy when you cannot dominate, or when you are submitted in vain with little or no reward (hope to produce an offspring that will dominate such making your existence not completely "useless"). Needless to say most atheists do not believe in having offsprings anymore and only live to satisfy themselves first and foremost, at all costs, not caring about the future generations, they only exist for themselves and everything they do or think is justified cause their own survival is the only thing that matters to them. Religious people live by the same rules, but they want their kids to dominate once adults, so it gives a meaning to their own existence and their daily struggle for survival; I am sacrifying myself so my kid will be able to dominate others. Wether you want to dominate or want your offspring to dominate, the point of life is essentially always the same; domination, as domination is hapiness.

People who think alike stick together, but even in their cooperative realtionship, there is always someone who dominates while the other is dominated. In friendship, in marital relationships, in school, at work, in the family. A follower follows willingly hoping to one day take the place of his, her, master, and learning his, her strategies of survival daily while taking note of his, her mistakes at the same time. We are machines that calculate how to adapt and survive, our brains are calculators that impregnate themselves with all surroungding strategies of survival we re exposed to just like sponge. In our free time and at night our brain selects, rearange, manages all these informations. A healthy brains allows its owner to dominate.

Poorly educated people produce an ever growing unskilled workforce that will be ressources for the higher social classes that will use them to produce goods they will sell, most of the time to the very same people who work for them. Poor people can climb the ladder by concurrencing each others until only one survives at the expense of others. Basically each human being is constantly at war with everyone else, every individual having something others dont have. They can either cooperate, dominate or submit each others in their daily interactions until a balance is found that will benefit to the group as a whole. Peace of mind is found when the individual can find a place that satisfies him in the big picture. The only way for someone who starts at the bottom of the pit to get at the top is to walk on other people's heads. It is easier to do so when the person at the top who select people below him shares common traits and affinities with you in the first place; a Boss wants people like him to help, second him, and will make someone's life he finds too different a misery until this person doesn't threaten his place, survival. Basically a patron can only manage people who submit to him and think alike, and will never be nice to someone who doesnt submit to him. He can tho tolerate them tho in order to torture them as a daily guilty pleasure while knowing full well he has them by the balls paying them their salary.  


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Griffith on January 10, 2013, 05:11:57 AM
Human beings are ANIMALS.

Our only goal is to SURVIVE and REPRODUCE.

Everything else focuses on the above two concepts. That is it.

Anything else you tell yourself is part of a coping defence mechanism in your mind, a part of your EGO, the conscious and self-aware part of your existence, a DELUSION which helps you cope with the 'reality'.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Natural Man on January 10, 2013, 05:23:15 AM
Human beings are ANIMALS.

Our only goal is to SURVIVE and REPRODUCE.

Everything else focuses on the above two concepts. That is it.

Anything else you tell yourself is part of a coping defence mechanism in your mind, a part of your EGO, the conscious and self-aware part of your existence, a DELUSION which helps you cope with the 'reality'.
This is how the whole thing has been designed by God for believers, or by "nature" for atheists. We have no control over it, we do not even choose to be in the game, the only option left is to understand the rules, use them to dominate , be happy, if we fail to understand them or refuse to play the game, we're condemned to suffering. In fact, an happy human being is happy because even if he's dominated in some aspects of his existence, he still has other parts of his life where he dominates. The irony is not one individual on earth dominates everyone in everything he does, so every single human being fails at something even if he seems to succeed at everything. The lesson to be learned here is ; find someone to dominate, and an occupation where you excel and dominate others, and you will be happy. The choice of a life partner and an occupation being the two most important choices a human being faces during his existence, as everything else is conditionned by them.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: dj181 on January 10, 2013, 05:46:12 AM
according to Mike Mentzer, man's achievement of his own personal goals is the key to his happiness and success in life

and he also claimed that we are currently living not just in a dark age, but in a black hole


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Griffith on January 10, 2013, 05:50:16 AM
This is how the whole thing has been designed by God for believers, or by "nature" for atheists. We have no control over it, we do not even choose to be in the game, the only option left is to understand the rules, use them to dominate , be happy, if we fail to understand them or refuse to play the game, we're condemned to suffering. In fact, an happy human being is happy because even if he's dominated in some aspects of his existence, he still has other parts of his life where he dominates. The irony is not one individual on earth dominates everyone in everything he does, so every single human being fails at something even if he seems to succeed at everything. The lesson to be learned here is ; find someone to dominate, and an occupation where you excel and dominate others, and you will be happy. The choice of a life partner and an occupation being the two most important choices a human being faces during his existence, as everything else is conditionned by them.

But to DOMINATE is soothing a part of the EGO, part of the DELUSION and the ILLUSION.

It is part of a NEUROSIS, where the person has to keep reliving these sensations in order to give them VALIDATION and quell their neurosis and the conflict of their ego.

It is a symptom of WEAKNESS.

To keep showing that one needs to dominate, to get a constant thrill the perceived weakness over another and to hold a feeling of 'power' is in fact a symptom of the narcissist; a sociopath or even a psychopath.

The reason for this is that their UNCONSCIOUS mind is telling them they are WEAK while their conscious mind does not know it, and this is why they act the way they do. It is a symptom of neurosis and conflict within their ego.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Natural Man on January 10, 2013, 07:03:15 AM
But to DOMINATE is soothing a part of the EGO, part of the DELUSION and the ILLUSION.

It is part of a NEUROSIS, where the person has to keep reliving these sensations in order to give them VALIDATION and quell their neurosis and the conflict of their ego.

It is a symptom of WEAKNESS.

To keep showing that one needs to dominate, to get a constant thrill the perceived weakness over another and to hold a feeling of 'power' is in fact a symptom of the narcissist; a sociopath or even a psychopath.

The reason for this is that their UNCONSCIOUS mind is telling them they are WEAK while their conscious mind does not know it, and this is why they act the way they do. It is a symptom of neurosis and conflict within their ego.

Huh? Domination has nothing to do with an ego or anything, these are false human made concepts, but the reality that underlies everything is animal, not philosophical.
Groink will  show off his steroids biceps to feel better about his failed family, his education/occupation, he needs to dominate in at least one aspect of his existence or life would have no point if it was only about suffering and being belittled by other people for his weaknesses.
In fact we all try to compensate our shortcomings with something, we all have, represent, a main strategy of survival which is a combination of both inherited and acquired strategies of survival. A human being is a complex system of strategies of survival and it defines his, her "character", the "individual, person" he, she is. If the system is complex, its purpose is easy to understand; survival. Survival underlies all life processes ar work. Survival underlies everything that exists. As mentionned earlier, as a human, hapiness is caracterized by the capacity to dominate instead of being dominate, there are alpha males and females -thinking alike and sticking together- just like there are alpha males and females in other animal species reigning over weaker, slower members of their group. Being alpha in the human specie is correlated with having a lot of money/power/opporunities, this is the system we created to apply natural selection in our specie; you either play the game or you dont. If you are forced to play by the rules, but are in a position of submission, then you produce an offspring hoping it will raise above your own condition, which gives a meaning to your "failed" existence. In fact the only genuinely happy people in the human species are those who: are smarter, richer, and have an offspring that will succeed them. They have all the necessary ingredients for the recipe of hapiness. Still they can lose it all just like everyone else. They are also models everyone else below their position tries to emulate.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: dj181 on January 10, 2013, 07:07:11 AM
i'm not so sure about this domination thing, i think it's more about being "free"

whatever being "free" means exactly, i don't know...


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Natural Man on January 10, 2013, 07:15:25 AM
i'm not so sure about this domination thing, i think it's more about being "free"

whatever being "free" means exactly, i don't know...

"freedom" ...

to dominate ... instead of being dominated. Look around yourself; everyone thinks he s better than you , you think you re better than everyone else, you can feel good either cooperating, giving, teaching or submiting others. We all barely tolerate, pretend to tolerate others. We are in fact all calculating each others weaknesses and strenghts and thinking "you might have this, but you dont have that" to make ourselves feel better about our own existence, this is what goes on in our minds all the time.
 Sounds a bit cynical but that's the reality.
We all constantly compensate for what we dont have by looking at what others dont have and we have.
This is the purpose of our brain btw. Those who have it all (looks, money, health, enjoyable occupation, envious attention from everyone else) are the real gods in the atheist society. Not all rich, famous people have it all, you see some of them have a nervous breakdown once in a while, or not being satisfied by one apect of their lives... But there are some people who simply might not care about what you consider they re lacking. Those ones are the happiest ones: rich fat dude dating models because of the money.
 You want to be free = you dont want to be forced to be submitted to someone else power over your life, you dont want someone else to submit you in order to earn a salary he gives you, a salary that allows you to buy the things you enjoy. This is why people created the "money leads the (human) world /is the only god" motto. In the human specie you can survive doing things that you dont want , like, to do. It doesnt exist in other animal species; in other animal species you are forced to kill or get killed. In the human specie you need to earn money to survive, animals dont care about money; you either kill or get killed. Well in fact, it's the same in the human specie; you kill yourself earning money and even if you have the money , you re killing yourself if you earn it not doing what you like / dominating others. This is why again the logical conclusion is that only people who are at the top of the pyramid can be truly happy , because they dominate unilaterally and dont have to care about money.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: dj181 on January 10, 2013, 07:24:49 AM
"freedom" ...

to dominate ... instead of being dominated. Look around yourself; everyone thinks he s better than you , you think you re better than everyone else, you can feel good either cooperating, giving, teaching or submiting others. We all barely tolerate, pretend to tolerate others. We are in fact all calculating each others weaknesses and strenghts and thinking "you might have this, but you dont have that" to make ourselves feel better about our own existence, this is what goes on in our minds all the time.
 Sounds a bit cynical but that's the reality.
We all constantly compensate for what we dont have by looking at what others dont have and we have.
This is the purpose of our brain btw. Those who have it all (looks, money, health, enjoyable occupation, envious attention from everyone else) are the real gods in the atheist society. Not all rich, famous people have it all, you see some of them have a nervous breakdown once in a while, or not being satisfied by one apect of their lives... But there are some people who simply might not care about what you consider they re lacking. Those ones are the happiest ones: rich fat dude dating models because of the money.
 You want to be free = you dont want to be forced to be submitted to someone else power over your life, you dont want someone else to submit you in order to earn a salary he gives you, a salary that allows you to buy the things you enjoy. This is why people created the "money leads the (human) world /is the only god" motto. In the human specie you can survive doing things that you dont want , like, to do. It doesnt exist in other animal species; in other animal species you are forced to kill or get killed. In the human specie you need to earn money to survive, animals dont care about money; you either kill or get killed. Well in fact, it's the same in the human specie; you kill yourself earning money and even if you have the money , you re killing yourself if you earn it not doing what you like / dominating others. This is why again the logical conclusion is that only people who are at the top of the pyramid can be truly happy , because they dominate unilaterally and dont have to care about money.

i hear what you're saying, but Christ himself said... "and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free"

still not sure if this truth that He was/is talking about is to dominate others...

and btw, Christ himself said that He is/was a servant, so do servants dominate?


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Natural Man on January 10, 2013, 07:35:23 AM
i hear what you're saying, but Christ himself said... "and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free"

still not sure if this truth that He was/is talking about is to dominate others...

and btw, Christ himself said that He is/was a servant, so do servants dominate?
Dominate them the benevolent way probably, instead of crushing them unfairly. But it's pretty to tough to tell when someone dominate being benevolent or malvolent; the person below him who thinks he s getting badly treated might be right or wrong. In the end, the dominating person wether he is benevolent or malvolent, is the one laughing; he doesnt have to worry about his own survival. Fact is in life we all spend a lot of time trying to find people who think just like we do, and learn ot ignore those who dont. There is no point living with people who dont think alike as it is a constant pain in the ass -that most people who are not at the top of the pyramid have to deal with daily-. The point of life in the human specie is to not being forced to deal daily with people you dont like, and if you are forced to, to dominate them.

As i mentionned it earlier, we only stick to people who think just like we do, we see no point wasting time being in conflict with our main view of things. Even on a messageboard like getbig you can see people who think alike stick together; people with the same insecurities stick together. An internet messageboard is like your random everyday school's yard, it's especially important for people who have few or no real life friends and use the internet as a way to emulate, simulate this school yard.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: syntaxmachine on January 10, 2013, 10:31:53 PM
Human beings are ANIMALS.

Our only goal is to SURVIVE and REPRODUCE.

Everything else focuses on the above two concepts. That is it.

Anything else you tell yourself is part of a coping defence mechanism in your mind, a part of your EGO, the conscious and self-aware part of your existence, a DELUSION which helps you cope with the 'reality'.

Just because evolution programs us to pursue certain default goals doesn't mean we can't formulate our own, above and beyond the uncaring influence of mindless biological processes.

In fact, this ability seems to be a defining feature of human beings: people can (and often do) achieve goals they deem important in opposition to the basicmost evolutionary goals (e.g., using contraception).

Your thesis is unfalsifiable, since for any human goal G that appears to be in opposition to evolutionary purpose, you will always be able to assert that a person is deluded about their motivations for pursuing G and that the truth lies in their subconscious. Unfalsifiable theses can't be evaluated either way so don't have much merit -- we have no reason to believe they are true (for example, I can say that undetectable invisible gnomes really cause the planets to rotate as they do, but we have no reason to believe the claim because we can't possibly assess it either way).


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: avxo on January 10, 2013, 10:48:58 PM
Just because evolution programs us to pursue certain default goals doesn't mean we can't formulate our own, above and beyond the uncaring influence of mindless biological processes.

In fact, this ability seems to be a defining feature of human beings: people can (and often do) achieve goals they deem important in opposition to the basicmost evolutionary goals (e.g., using contraception).

Your thesis is unfalsifiable, since for any human goal G that appears to be in opposition to evolutionary purpose, you will always be able to assert that a person is deluded about their motivations for pursuing G and that the truth lies in their subconscious. Unfalsifiable theses can't be evaluated either way so don't have much merit -- we have no reason to believe they are true (for example, I can say that undetectable invisible gnomes really cause the planets to rotate as they do, but we have no reason to believe the claim because we can't possibly assess it either way).

I like it when syntaxmachine types out what I wanted to type out and saves me the trouble ;)


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: tommywishbone on January 10, 2013, 10:53:32 PM
ROSS

FROST
JACKFROST
PEATMOSS

SHUT THE FUCK UP


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Griffith on January 11, 2013, 12:32:58 AM
Just because evolution programs us to pursue certain default goals doesn't mean we can't formulate our own, above and beyond the uncaring influence of mindless biological processes.

In fact, this ability seems to be a defining feature of human beings: people can (and often do) achieve goals they deem important in opposition to the basicmost evolutionary goals (e.g., using contraception).

Your thesis is unfalsifiable, since for any human goal G that appears to be in opposition to evolutionary purpose, you will always be able to assert that a person is deluded about their motivations for pursuing G and that the truth lies in their subconscious. Unfalsifiable theses can't be evaluated either way so don't have much merit -- we have no reason to believe they are true (for example, I can say that undetectable invisible gnomes really cause the planets to rotate as they do, but we have no reason to believe the claim because we can't possibly assess it either way).

Dress it up as you want but in the end, all the other 'goals' have the same objectives.

It's just another way for us to tell ourselves there's more 'meaning' just as you're doing right now.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: syntaxmachine on January 11, 2013, 01:27:29 PM
Dress it up as you want but in the end, all the other 'goals' have the same objectives.

It's just another way for us to tell ourselves there's more 'meaning' just as you're doing right now.


Dress it up as you want but in the end, all the planets rotate because of undetectable, invisible gnomes.

Scientific explanations to the contrary are vain efforts to avoid this fact.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: avxo on January 11, 2013, 03:19:44 PM
Dress it up as you want but in the end, all the other 'goals' have the same objectives.

It's just another way for us to tell ourselves there's more 'meaning' just as you're doing right now.


It must suck to live life as Griffith, believing, as  you do, that you are nothing but a robot with no free will and no ability to decide your own fate; only able to do whatever was preprogrammed into you by some mysterious supernatural force.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: King Shizzo on January 11, 2013, 03:31:32 PM
How factual is science? We dont know shit.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Griffith on January 11, 2013, 03:38:09 PM
It must suck to live life as Griffith, believing, as  you do, that you are nothing but a robot with no free will and no ability to decide your own fate; only able to do whatever was preprogrammed into you by some mysterious supernatural force.

Other animals have instincts and so do we.

Every major decision we make is based upon our instinct to survive and reproduce just like any other bacteria or germ that exists.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: avxo on January 11, 2013, 07:00:33 PM
Other animals have instincts and so do we.

What they don't have, however, is a rational faculty.

Every major decision we make is based upon our instinct to survive and reproduce just like any other bacteria or germ that exists.

That's patently untrue - no doubt our instinct for survival is strong and is an important factor in the decisions we make, but we can and do override it all the time. And that is something else that differentiates us from animals: our instincts advise us - they don't control us.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: travisma on January 11, 2013, 08:52:56 PM

What I find amusing is that someone whom is stating he has a high IQ actually posts the Wechsler intelligence test for CHILDREN. This is a reflection of your intelligence as an Adult, in fact it is stated that the scale would be reduced making your ADULT IQ in the vicinity of about 120.... Average at best...





This wasn't intended to be a thesis, it was merely a thought provoking post.  Of course I have a much more thorough and coherent theory of the MULTIVERSE, but it wold require that my audience have at least a fundamental understanding of Quantum Physics, Classical Physics, EMERGENT PROPERTIES, fractal gemoetry, and THE BRAIN.

(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/36072_459004271984_592112_n.jpg)


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The True Adonis on January 11, 2013, 08:56:50 PM
What they don't have, however, is a rational faculty.

That's patently untrue - no doubt our instinct for survival is strong and is an important factor in the decisions we make, but we can and do override it all the time. And that is something else that differentiates us from animals: our instincts advise us - they don't control us.
Total nonsense.  Many animals have rational faculty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTTuiE1_Oe8


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: avxo on January 11, 2013, 09:00:21 PM
This wasn't intended to be a thesis, it was merely a thought provoking post.  Of course I have a much more thorough and coherent theory of the MULTIVERSE, but it wold require that my audience have at least a fundamental understanding of Quantum Physics, Classical Physics, EMERGENT PROPERTIES, fractal gemoetry, and THE BRAIN.

Good news! I have graduate degrees in Computer Science and Mathematics. And, as luck would have it I have done extensive work in computational physics.

Let's dance buttercup!


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: avxo on January 11, 2013, 09:01:16 PM
Total nonsense.  Many animals have rational faculty.

I don't think "rational faculty" means what you think it means.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The True Adonis on January 11, 2013, 09:51:46 PM
I don't think "rational faculty" means what you think it means.
endowed with the faculty of reason/Exercising sound and reasonable judgement with the ability to display abstract thought which lead to abstract solutions.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The True Adonis on January 11, 2013, 09:54:30 PM
I don't think "rational faculty" means what you think it means.
I don`t think you know what you are talking about.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: avxo on January 11, 2013, 11:12:58 PM
endowed with the faculty of reason/Exercising sound and reasonable judgement with the ability to display abstract thought which lead to abstract solutions.

And how many of those traits do non-human animals demonstrate?


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The True Adonis on January 11, 2013, 11:27:33 PM
And how many of those traits do non-human animals demonstrate?
All.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Griffith on January 12, 2013, 01:14:18 AM
What they don't have, however, is a rational faculty.

That's patently untrue - no doubt our instinct for survival is strong and is an important factor in the decisions we make, but we can and do override it all the time. And that is something else that differentiates us from animals: our instincts advise us - they don't control us.

I won't try ruin your delusion, it's merely a defence mechanism that is part of the ego to help you cope with the harshness of reality.

We can 'override' it, but it is still an illusion.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: avxo on January 12, 2013, 12:24:21 PM
All.

Obviously. Dogs routinely teach philosophy and cats, as we all know, are amazing mathematicians and physicists. A little know fact was that Einstein actually got the theories of general and special relativity by looking at the notebooks of his cat while it was on the litter box!


I won't try ruin your delusion, it's merely a defence mechanism that is part of the ego to help you cope with the harshness of reality.

Yes. Of course. Observable facts are delusions... ::) As for coping/defence mechanisms, that's your gig: you posit a world where everything is run on auto-pilot and is out of your control, so that you never have to assume responsibility for anything you do or deal with anything that happens to you.


We can 'override' it, but it is still an illusion.

What is an illusion? If you can can consciously override something it doesn't control you. You assert that our instincts and emotions control us. Clearly they don't. Firefighters run into burning buildings to save strangers. Soldiers risk their lives to save comrades. Both of those acts are counter to the instincts of self-preservation and procreation. And yet people do them. All the time.

Your "theory" is a joke.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The True Adonis on January 12, 2013, 01:32:34 PM
Obviously. Dogs routinely teach philosophy and cats, as we all know, are amazing mathematicians and physicists. A little know fact was that Einstein actually got the theories of general and special relativity by looking at the notebooks of his cat while it was on the litter box!


Yes. Of course. Observable facts are delusions... ::) As for coping/defence mechanisms, that's your gig: you posit a world where everything is run on auto-pilot and is out of your control, so that you never have to assume responsibility for anything you do or deal with anything that happens to you.


What is an illusion? If you can can consciously override something it doesn't control you. You assert that our instincts and emotions control us. Clearly they don't. Firefighters run into burning buildings to save strangers. Soldiers risk their lives to save comrades. Both of those acts are counter to the instincts of self-preservation and procreation. And yet people do them. All the time.

Your "theory" is a joke.
Don`t be a moron.  You pretended to act as if non-humans were incapable of higher thought when this is simply not the case.  Furthermore, the Neanderthal, which was a non-human, had a larger brain than Homo Sapiens and was arguably more intelligent despite being a non-human.  Homo Erectus and Homo Ergaster among others were also tool making non-human species.  I hope this helps.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Griffith on January 12, 2013, 03:11:23 PM
Obviously. Dogs routinely teach philosophy and cats, as we all know, are amazing mathematicians and physicists. A little know fact was that Einstein actually got the theories of general and special relativity by looking at the notebooks of his cat while it was on the litter box!


Yes. Of course. Observable facts are delusions... ::) As for coping/defence mechanisms, that's your gig: you posit a world where everything is run on auto-pilot and is out of your control, so that you never have to assume responsibility for anything you do or deal with anything that happens to you.


What is an illusion? If you can can consciously override something it doesn't control you. You assert that our instincts and emotions control us. Clearly they don't. Firefighters run into burning buildings to save strangers. Soldiers risk their lives to save comrades. Both of those acts are counter to the instincts of self-preservation and procreation. And yet people do them. All the time.

Your "theory" is a joke.

The firefighter and soldier get PAID, it is is their job, they need to do it to SURVIVE.

We have choices and free-will but all decisions are ultimately tied to our SURVIVAL instinct as well as that of REPRODUCTION.

When you go to university to study and earn a degree it is part of the survival instinct, in order to have a better job and live a better life and to have better mate as well.

Humans are ANIMALS, this might be an uncomfortable and bleak reality for some to bear but their survival instincts via the EGO help provide justification, answers and meaning to the world around them.

The development of SPEECH is the clue here to the rapid development of the human mind in comparison to other animals......it allowed for transfer of knowledge as well as a different form of thinking.

We had the ability to think in WORDS.
As a result, this lead to the creating of a different kind of AWARENESS of ourselves in contrast to other animals.....a self-awareness.
How would you organise your thought without words? Not quite the same is it?


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Griffith on January 12, 2013, 03:59:48 PM
Don`t be a moron.  You pretended to act as if non-humans were incapable of higher thought when this is simply not the case.  Furthermore, the Neanderthal, which was a non-human, had a larger brain than Homo Sapiens and was arguably more intelligent despite being a non-human.  Homo Erectus and Homo Ergaster among others were also tool making non-human species.  I hope this helps.

I generally agree with you, but I believe Neanderthals are human, just not Homo Sapiens.

They were able to breed with Homo Sapiens and Caucasians can still have up to 6% Neanderthal DNA.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Wiggs on January 12, 2013, 04:01:59 PM
This thread is full of lies and deceit. Cock Ersling, you are a false profit.

Read and follow the Bible. The truth you seek is within this book. That is all.

JESUS SAVES!


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Natural Man on January 12, 2013, 04:03:47 PM
The firefighter and soldier get PAID, it is is their job, they need to do it to SURVIVE.

We have choices and free-will but all decisions are ultimately tied to our SURVIVAL instinct as well as that of REPRODUCTION.

When you go to university to study and earn a degree it is part of the survival instinct, in order to have a better job and live a better life and to have better mate as well.

Humans are ANIMALS, this might be an uncomfortable and bleak reality for some to bear but their survival instincts via the EGO help provide justification, answers and meaning to the world around them.

The development of SPEECH is the clue here to the rapid development of the human mind in comparison to other animals......it allowed for transfer of knowledge as well as a different form of thinking.

We had the ability to think in WORDS.
As a result, this lead to the creating of a different kind of AWARENESS of ourselves in contrast to other animals.....a self-awareness.
How would you organise your thought without words? Not quite the same is it?
Exactly. But deep inside we re not doing more than what the average animal or plant does: survivng, until we can reproduce, teach our offspring how to survive facing the competition, repeat. Being successful doing so makes a human feel happy, being unsuccessful makes him unhappy. Nothing is disinterested, everything that happen serves a purpose, and the purpose is always the same; survival of a life form.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Natural Man on January 12, 2013, 04:10:13 PM
This thread is full of lies and deceit. Cock Ersling, you are a false profit.

Read and follow the Bible. The truth you seek is within this book. That is all.

JESUS SAVES!
God and His son explain to their creation, the human animal, how to preserve and perpetuate life by making sound , balanced, wise (life preserving/encouraging) choices. Basically the Bible doesnt negate the fact we are animals, in fact it tells us we are animals who must control themselves in order to defend life and make it continue -especially considering we are way more powerful than other animal species which allows us to either create or destroy life-. The point of the whole experience and process is to create a new God, or new gods. The only way for life to survive and for human to evolve to become perfect , is to better yourself and each others as much as possible through a deep understanding of love which requires fidelity, loyalty, to God's words, to your wife, to your family, and to those who made the choice to live the same way as you, submitted to God themselves. These people will be selected simply because they believe, while others will disapear in their own sins. Nothing that is evil is done by God, but by humans who are sinning. But it's not God's will. He leaves us the choice to either listen to him or to sin. If men sin, it's their fault, not His, as he is incapable of doing wrong, being perfect , almighty and eternal which we miserable humans, arent.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Wiggs on January 12, 2013, 04:12:21 PM
God and His son explain to their creation, the human animal, how to preserve and perpetuate life by making sound , balanced, wise choices. Basically the Bible doesnt negate the fact we are animals, in fact it tells us we are animals who must control themselves in order to defend life and make it continue -especially considering we are way more powerful than other animal species which allows us to either create or destroy life-. The point of the whole experience and process is to create a new God, or new gods. The only way for life to survive and for human to evolve to become perfect , is to better yourself and each others as much as possible through a deep understanding of love which requires fidelity, loyalty, to God's words, to your wife, to your family, and to those who made the choice to live the same way as you, submitted to God themselves. These people will be selected simply because they believe, while others will disapear in their own sins. Nothing that is evil is done by God, but by humans who are sinning. But it's not God's will. Still he leaves us the choice to either listen to him or to sin.

Amen.................... ...asshole.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The True Adonis on January 12, 2013, 10:32:29 PM
I generally agree with you, but I believe Neanderthals are human, just not Homo Sapiens.

They were able to breed with Homo Sapiens and Caucasians can still have up to 6% Neanderthal DNA.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/aug/14/study-doubt-human-neanderthal-interbreeding


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: tbombz on January 12, 2013, 11:06:57 PM
God and His son explain to their creation, the human animal, how to preserve and perpetuate life by making sound , balanced, wise (life preserving/encouraging) choices. Basically the Bible doesnt negate the fact we are animals, in fact it tells us we are animals who must control themselves in order to defend life and make it continue -especially considering we are way more powerful than other animal species which allows us to either create or destroy life-. The point of the whole experience and process is to create a new God, or new gods. The only way for life to survive and for human to evolve to become perfect , is to better yourself and each others as much as possible through a deep understanding of love which requires fidelity, loyalty, to God's words, to your wife, to your family, and to those who made the choice to live the same way as you, submitted to God themselves. These people will be selected simply because they believe, while others will disapear in their own sins. Nothing that is evil is done by God, but by humans who are sinning. But it's not God's will. He leaves us the choice to either listen to him or to sin. If men sin, it's their fault, not His, as he is incapable of doing wrong, being perfect , almighty and eternal which we miserable humans, arent.
your a smart dude. youd be alot smarter if you didnt connect god with religion.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Griffith on January 13, 2013, 01:17:32 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/aug/14/study-doubt-human-neanderthal-interbreeding

Interesting article.

This represents a different theory, but I think the more commonly held one is still that they interbred and were human.
Either way, interesting stuff.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Kwon_2 on January 13, 2013, 02:58:29 AM
How Johnny Falcon would have towered over the rest if he would have been a Dinosaur
(http://0.tqn.com/d/dinosaurs/1/0/8/5/-/-/therizino.jpg)

Dj181 as a Dinosaur
(http://dli.ro/storage/poze/2012/03/15/tanystropheus-o-reptila-preistorica-cu-o-constructie-disproportionata-a-corpului/Reptila-preistorica-Tanystropheus-3.jpg)

Method101 as a Dinosaur
(http://0.tqn.com/d/dinosaurs/1/0/c/L/-/-/carnotaurusDB.jpg)

Big_Ach
(http://0.tqn.com/d/dinosaurs/1/0/l/-/-/-/suchomimus.jpg)

CHaos
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Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: PJim on January 13, 2013, 03:00:53 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/aug/14/study-doubt-human-neanderthal-interbreeding
My favourite newspaper  :)


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Natural Man on January 13, 2013, 07:54:12 AM
your a smart dude. youd be alot smarter if you didnt connect god with religion.
I dont care about sounding smart contrary to you or true anus and others, I care about being right, about truth whatever the cost. That's the big difference.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Metabolic on January 13, 2013, 10:34:14 AM
All of you people talking about "science" and "the scientists" need to retake some intro to philosophy classes, there is no such thing as "the science" or "the scientists"* and any discussion about the institution of science and its legitimacy is inherently flawed.

That said, you did not make any point, just asserted a serious of dubious observations.


*This is actually huge right now, philosophy of science/epistemology, refer to Kuhn, Lakatos, Feyerabend, Gadamer.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The True Adonis on January 13, 2013, 10:36:35 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=454644.0;attach=500070;image)


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: haider on January 13, 2013, 10:38:40 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=454644.0;attach=500070;image)
;D

would be even funnier if someone did a more realistic photoshop. That face is beyond hilarious!


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: Archer77 on January 13, 2013, 10:42:10 AM
I dont care about sounding smart contrary to you or true anus and others, I care about being right, about truth whatever the cost. That's the big difference.

You have a severe case of confirmation bias.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: NotSure on January 13, 2013, 10:42:37 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=454644.0;attach=500070;image)
Angry little snub nosed bastard isn't he?


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: DKlent on January 13, 2013, 03:30:05 PM
Evolution of life has occured here on planet Earth, that is an incontrovertible scientific fact. The fossil record does not lie. However, the MECHANISM of action–meaning, HOW evolution took place, has not been adequately excplained. Natural Selection is true, and plays a large role in the evolution of life, but it certainly isn’t the whole picture. It would take an absolute leap of FAITH for me to believe that something as complex and intricately functioning as the BRAIN arose simply from random mutations and the subtle pressures of natural selection. As a true scientist and philosopher, I don’t make leaps of faith, but rather, I believe in the EVIDENCE, and simply can not accept that Natural Selection is the SOLE cause for ALL of the magnificent and incredible diversity and variation of life here on Earth. Information theory prohibits such a misplaced and unreasonable belief.

Just because you can't imagine it happening doesn't mean that it didn't happen that way.

Information, as a law, must always come from an intelligent source such as a computer or a brain. Each and every one of the TRILLIONS of cells in our bodies has been programmed with brilliant mathematical instructions encoded in our DNA. The BRAIN, and all of life on earth, have been intricately and precisely developed, as the most powerful and brilliant TECHNOLOGY of our natural universe. WE as human beings are literally, as heinously complex carbon-based life forms, highly advanced organic TECHNOLOGICAL beings that have even created our OWN technologies, much in our own images. Perhaps our purpose is to continue to PRODUCE, to develop ever more complex technologies that eventually enable us to unlock the full potential of our own DNA(genetic information technology). All of life on earth is highly advanced organic technology, based on the brilliant mathematics of DNA. From the smallest bacterium to the largest fish in the sea, all of life has been progammed by an unmistakably intelligent source, far superior to that of human beings. It is plainly obvious that LIFE, as a complex form of natural organic technology, could not arise simply from random mutations. It is just not possible, and as I scientist, I just can’t believe that.

Define "Information".

DOGMATISM exists even among the scientific community, something that I can now see as I have grown older, smarter, and wiser. I will be offering my hypothesis for how life and it’s astounding diversity and variation arose here on earth, using the new sciences of Systems Theory, Chaos and Complexity, Emergent Properties, Quantum Consciousness, Cynamics, and Sacred Geometrical Mathematics.

“Anyone who becomes seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that there is a spirit manifest in the laws of of the Universe, a spirit vastly superior to that of man.”-Albert Einstein

The only source I can find for Einstein saying this is on your own blog.
 


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The True Adonis on January 13, 2013, 03:32:30 PM
Angry little snub nosed bastard isn't he?
I believe his daddy played patty cake one too many times with his short bread.  He has been molested and still cannot come to terms with it.


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: avxo on January 13, 2013, 06:50:04 PM
Don`t be a moron.

You should repeat that 100 time front of the mirror every morning. In time it may help.


You pretended to act as if non-humans were incapable of higher thought when this is simply not the case.[/quote

I said that non-human animals we know about lack the faculty of reason. They do.


Furthermore, the Neanderthal, which was a non-human, had a larger brain than Homo Sapiens and was arguably more intelligent despite being a non-human.

I'm sorry. Are you really equating intelligence with brain size? Really?


Homo Erectus and Homo Ergaster among others were also tool making non-human species.

Right and?


I hope this helps.

Well, I wouldn't go that far...


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: tbombz on January 14, 2013, 12:07:25 PM
I dont care about sounding smart contrary to you or true anus and others, I care about being right, about truth whatever the cost. That's the big difference.
being right=being smart..   when you always connect god to religion, your not right..  maybe there is a religion that was divinely sent, or maybe there is a religion whose creator(s) somehow managed to accurately describe god's will..    but its not necessarily true and i think if you use good logic to evaluate the subject you come to the opinion that religions are blasphemous and the existence and nature of god are a complete mystery, probably fully intended to be that way by god himself... only accessible through life experience and not something tangible that can be written on paper , etc....      when you stop connecting god to religion , thats when , i think, youll finally be on the path to real truth  ;)  (if it even exists  ;) )


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: John on February 01, 2013, 07:01:30 PM
Evolution of life has occured here on planet Earth, that is an incontrovertible scientific fact. The fossil record does not lie. However, the MECHANISM of action–meaning, HOW evolution took place, has not been adequately excplained. Natural Selection is true, and plays a large role in the evolution of life, but it certainly isn’t the whole picture. It would take an absolute leap of FAITH for me to believe that something as complex and intricately functioning as the BRAIN arose simply from random mutations and the subtle pressures of natural selection. As a true scientist and philosopher, I don’t make leaps of faith, but rather, I believe in the EVIDENCE, and simply can not accept that Natural Selection is the SOLE cause for ALL of the magnificent and incredible diversity and variation of life here on Earth. Information theory prohibits such a misplaced and unreasonable belief.

Information, as a law, must always come from an intelligent source such as a computer or a brain. Each and every one of the TRILLIONS of cells in our bodies has been programmed with brilliant mathematical instructions encoded in our DNA. The BRAIN, and all of life on earth, have been intricately and precisely developed, as the most powerful and brilliant TECHNOLOGY of our natural universe. WE as human beings are literally, as heinously complex carbon-based life forms, highly advanced organic TECHNOLOGICAL beings that have even created our OWN technologies, much in our own images. Perhaps our purpose is to continue to PRODUCE, to develop ever more complex technologies that eventually enable us to unlock the full potential of our own DNA(genetic information technology). All of life on earth is highly advanced organic technology, based on the brilliant mathematics of DNA. From the smallest bacterium to the largest fish in the sea, all of life has been progammed by an unmistakably intelligent source, far superior to that of human beings. It is plainly obvious that LIFE, as a complex form of natural organic technology, could not arise simply from random mutations. It is just not possible, and as I scientist, I just can’t believe that.

DOGMATISM exists even among the scientific community, something that I can now see as I have grown older, smarter, and wiser. I will be offering my hypothesis for how life and it’s astounding diversity and variation arose here on earth, using the new sciences of Systems Theory, Chaos and Complexity, Emergent Properties, Quantum Consciousness, Cynamics, and Sacred Geometrical Mathematics.

“Anyone who becomes seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that there is a spirit manifest in the laws of of the Universe, a spirit vastly superior to that of man.”-Albert Einstein
 
“As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.”-”The FOUNDER of Quantum Physics, Max Planck:


http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evolution%20Hoax/4000.htm


Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: John on February 01, 2013, 07:04:11 PM
Yeah. You're an agnostic.

Go sell crazy somewhere else. We're all topped up here.

This And....





Title: Re: EVOLUTION is fact, but Natural Selection is FLAWED!
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on February 01, 2013, 07:07:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I1EBiYKdDk