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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: bigmc on January 07, 2013, 01:05:15 PM
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after much consideration im going to break it down like this
6 weeks of var starting 60mg per week up to 100mg a week last week
2 weeks off
turinabol 50mg a week 6 weeks 2 weeks off
dbol 50mg a week 6 weeks 2 weeks off
reapeat the above
4 weeks off
start again
im not looking to change my size just hang on to where im at
im 6 ft 3 my weight fluctuates between 240lbs lean and 270 bulked
by lean i mean six pack but not ripped
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sounds like a recipe for disaster... why no injectable base?
i can see someone doing a long ass 6-8 week oral cycle with a base.... but then also getting off the orals for two months.. ur basically saying two weeks off, then another 6, two weeks off then another 6... not smart
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Your doing this All year? Even with breaks in between it seems harsh on the liver. I personally wouldn't ever run a cycle like this.
Why no injects?
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you'll drop this idea once you start shitting yellow, blistered lips, ...
and do some liver enzymes tests regularly
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You wouldn't be the first person to try this and won't be the last. I know guys who have used Dbol for over a year straight and they were fine. I'm not a big fan of this idea, but if you are set on doing it at least get blood work done to make sure your liver is healthy enough to do this. Get some Liv52 and run it on the weeks you are not taking orals.
A lot of people don't realize that while this might not be the best route, it was very common to run orals for extended periods like this back in the 60's and 70's.
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You wouldn't be the first person to try this and won't be the last. I know guys who have used Dbol for over a year straight and they were fine. I'm not a big fan of this idea, but if you are set on doing it at least get blood work done to make sure your liver is healthy enough to do this. Get some Liv52 and run it on the weeks you are not taking orals.
A lot of people don't realize that while this might not be the best route, it was very common to run orals for extended periods like this back in the 60's and 70's.
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thanks for the sensible answer
i might put longer breaks in
i just got sick of being a pin cushion
my understanding is that anavar and to a lesser extent turinabol arent that harsh on the liver
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You wouldn't be the first person to try this and won't be the last. I know guys who have used Dbol for over a year straight and they were fine. I'm not a big fan of this idea, but if you are set on doing it at least get blood work done to make sure your liver is healthy enough to do this. Get some Liv52 and run it on the weeks you are not taking orals.
A lot of people don't realize that while this might not be the best route, it was very common to run orals for extended periods like this back in the 60's and 70's.
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ya but most of those guys would run 10-20mg max ed and mostly 10mg to be quite frank from the reading ive done. Which is more or less like a trt replacement.
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ya but most of those guys would run 10-20mg max ed and mostly 10mg to be quite frank from the reading ive done. Which is more or less like a trt replacement.
i might half the doses
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i still dont see why u wouldnt inject test or something :-/
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Im with the guys here, orals are hard on the body because of the filtration they go through before they hit the blood.
Your going to gain more out of injects than orals.
Orals have their place dont get me wrong here. Just not a year worth.
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i still dont see why u wouldnt inject test or something :-/
i have kids
i dont want needles in the house etc
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ya but most of those guys would run 10-20mg max ed and mostly 10mg to be quite frank from the reading ive done. Which is more or less like a trt replacement.
Not quite, but i agree with your premise.
The guys back in the 60's and 70's ate Dbol by the handful, i know this for a fact as i know guys who were there.
I'm not saying it's a good idea, but people need to be told the truth about dangers and exaggerations by people who wanted to change what really went on back then. Most of the old school guys like to down play the role steroids took back then to make that era seem more honorable and clean; when in reality they were all mega dosing steroids just like they do today. There are many top amateurs that have admitted to taking 200-300mg of Dbol per day and claiming it wasn't a big deal.
Again, I'm not saying it's a good idea, but it takes a shit load of orals for an extended period to harm your liver. Alcohol is far more devastating to your organs and people drink it every day for years before they see any health issues.
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You dont want needles in the house but pills are fine? No disrespect intended here bro, just put your needles high up in your bed room closet or somewhere the kids cant get to them. They don't get into the kitchen knives do they? Also take an empty liquid laundry detergent bottle and put the used needles in there, so the kids dont have access to the used pins either.
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You dont want needles in the house but pills are fine? No disrespect intended here bro, just put your needles high up in your bed room closet or somewhere the kids cant get to them. They don't get into the kitchen knives do they? Also take an empty liquid laundry detergent bottle and put the used needles in there, so the kids dont have access to the used pins either.
good idea^^
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You dont want needles in the house but pills are fine? No disrespect intended here bro, just put your needles high up in your bed room closet or somewhere the kids cant get to them. They don't get into the kitchen knives do they? Also take an empty liquid laundry detergent bottle and put the used needles in there, so the kids dont have access to the used pins either.
thats a moot point, every household in america has many pills in the cabinets that are far more damaging than orals that kids can access. the fact is that there really isnt as much evidence to indicate the dangers of orals to make them out as bad as everyone says they are. in fact i would suggest will many of the designers coming out since the 2000's many have pretty much done exactly what the op suggested and have stayed on those orals for extended time will no more ill effect than any of us who use combinations of delivery routes.
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You dont want needles in the house but pills are fine? No disrespect intended here bro, just put your needles high up in your bed room closet or somewhere the kids cant get to them. They don't get into the kitchen knives do they? Also take an empty liquid laundry detergent bottle and put the used needles in there, so the kids dont have access to the used pins either.
lol what she said.
You don't take out knives out of the house because kids could get hurt with knives. You teach the kids to stay away, not touch, keep the knives high etc...
I have a medicine cabinet with all my supplements, medicines, steroids, etc... It's off limits. If kids run about in the house they are not dumb enough to go through high up closets anyways.
A pill rolling around the floor is more likely to be more harmful with a kid thinking 'oooh pretty candy' lol. Especially if it's pink or blue.
Back on topic, orals year round is a dumb idea in my opinion. I like orals, don't get me wrong, but... if I do an oral cycle.. i'd have to take 2 months clean off and I run year round heavy support supplements, anti-oxidants, etc... Taking two weeks, then on, two weeks, then on, etc... sounds like a disaster in the making... yes you'll get results but end up like the stories of guys who were on and on and on and then lost all their gains cause they had to go to hospital.
I have no idea how the old school bbers did it. Iron livers I guess.
Also, here in Canada, we get over the counter hazzard plastic containers for disposable needles (insulin pins, test injection pins, etc...). Get that, and put them safely there then dispose in local pharmacy.
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Ya, there's no way 50 mg per week of anything is worth it. I'm assuming you mean per day.
Is there even good, real Tbol out there these days? That's the question. Watered down Dbol likely.
Keep an eye on enzymes, but I don't see a problem running an oral year round. Personally, I'd stick to 1. Anavar first choice and second real Tbol.
50-75mg per day of Anavar year round would be lean and mean.
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I still love injections...has a nice placebo effect on me. Damn, if I could crush up orals and snort them I'd probably feel like ronnie coleman in the gym.
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dbol was 50 a day obviously ;D
to the people trying to give me a moral lesson i keep the orals at work
and i dont drink
the orals liver thing is mostly bro science
the ony people i know that have had problems have run massive dosages of both orals and injectibles
if you have anything that proves otherwise please post a link
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the orals liver thing is mostly bro science
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As I said, disaster about to happen.
I knew of one guy who did 100mg anavar for 6 months. He ended up in hospital with liver failure.
Good luck!
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As I said, disaster about to happen.
I knew of one guy who did 100mg anavar for 6 months. He ended up in hospital with liver failure.
Good luck!
no you dont
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Okay I'm tuned in for the failure, it's your life. ::) When I hopped on trt, to get back in shape quick I went on 500mg test, 6 weeks or was it 7 weeks of hdrol at 100mg, then took two three week break, tried epistane for a week it killed my joints, went off, got on boladrol for 4-5 weeks, then took a bit off, then pulsed boladrol preworkout. Did blood work and my doctor wanted to take me to hospital to get liver examined.
I'm fine. I don't drink obviously. However for someone to say liver enzymes are bro science, you have to be a full blown retard. I am saying this not out of any other reason but your own well being.
Took full two+ months off and was still scared to visit doc.
Sure I gained 30lbs but... :)
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this may seem like a dumb question, but are there any injects which effect the liver like orals do(live toxic/kidney toxic?)
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All injects elevate enzymes too even testosterone, just not that much. Tren can elevate enzymes quite a bit and ppl don't realize it... also affects kidney. Anything that drains u from the inside will also affect kidney... and more than likely liver, hence the need to drink tons of water generally speaking... Deca elevates enzymes too more than test.
In fact when I just got on trt, my endo not only tested my estro and test levels, he also tested my liver enzyme changes! Why do you think he woulda done that hmm! Even test affects lipids! Another fact people neglect.
I hate when I hear ppl nay saying oh its nothing oh no problem oh ill be fine... as someone out there will listen to that advice and get hurt due to reading stupid stuff on the internet.
We're not all made the same, some ppl can get jaundice from a month worth of orals, some may do stupid stuff and turn out fine. I've gone stupid crazy with orals a few times for quick results... is it smart? No... Should everyone do it? No. Did the pros in the past do it? Yes. Do pros do it today, yes. Does everyone turn out fine? No!
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injects arent liver toxic though right?
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They raise enzymes still just not like orals. Tren is that special inject that raises enzymes more than others, but that's why tren is special lol.
oral equivalent injects like dbol, winny, etc... still cause liver stress like the orals, some ppl think taking them through injections is somehow less, its usually stronger and better absorbed but still causes liver enzymes to rocket like the oral equivalent, just because if its chemical structure.
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They raise enzymes still just not like orals. Tren is that special inject that raises enzymes more than others, but that's why tren is special lol.
oral equivalent injects like dbol, winny, etc... still cause liver stress like the orals, some ppl think taking them through injections is somehow less, its usually stronger and better absorbed but still causes liver enzymes to rocket like the oral equivalent, just because if its chemical structure.
thanks brotha 8)
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the orals liver thing is mostly bro science
the ony people i know that have had problems have run massive dosages of both orals and injectibles
if you have anything that proves otherwise please post a link
To some degree. I've ran Dbol @ 50mg for around 6-9 mos (w/other inj) and my enzymes got up there enough to raise the eyebrow of my doc and he said changes need to be made. No massive dosages, very moderate.
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Okay I'm tuned in for the failure, it's your life. ::) When I hopped on trt, to get back in shape quick I went on 500mg test, 6 weeks or was it 7 weeks of hdrol at 100mg, then took two three week break, tried epistane for a week it killed my joints, went off, got on boladrol for 4-5 weeks, then took a bit off, then pulsed boladrol preworkout. Did blood work and my doctor wanted to take me to hospital to get liver examined.
I'm fine. I don't drink obviously. However for someone to say liver enzymes are bro science, you have to be a full blown retard. I am saying this not out of any other reason but your own well being.
Took full two+ months off and was still scared to visit doc.
Sure I gained 30lbs but... :)
calling me a retard wont change my opinion
as long as you only go on in short burst
and take other meds to look after your liver im saying unless you are predisposed to liver problems you will be ok
most steroid stuff on the internet is bro science
if people were having liver problems attributed to steroid use it would be all over the media they love jumping on that band wagon
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Got my bloodwork results earlier...cholestrol is fine but my liver enzyme is 116...when it should be 15-50max. Did 20week cycle mostly injectables with 6weeks of var and the odd bit of dbol pre workout . So it ain't bro science brah
brah science then brah
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Got my bloodwork results earlier...cholestrol is fine but my liver enzyme is 116...when it should be 15-50max. Did 20week cycle mostly injectables with 6weeks of var and the odd bit of dbol pre workout . So it ain't bro science brah
Do you have a baseline test prior to using AAS?
I used 60mg of Dbol for 8 months and my liver values only increased 15%.
Everyone is different.
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Personally would never do it myself, its not just liver issues , but have heard of quite a few getting digestion problems , stomach ulcers from sustained oral use, also orals tend to destroy cholesterol readings far worse than any injectable. All in all I think orals are generally far worse for health.
I think you would probably get away with just a year without too many probs but don't see the point. There are plenty things far more dangerous in the average household than a few needles, I have 2 kids myself , I keep all my stuff in a locked cabinet. Could maybe get a small safe or something(?)
If you don't like injections , just run esters where you can inject once a week, could still run orals alongside at maybe 6 weeks on 6 weeks off.
Anways not trying to preach, just my 2 cents worth GL with whatever you decide , .
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You wouldn't be the first person to try this and won't be the last. I know guys who have used Dbol for over a year straight and they were fine. I'm not a big fan of this idea, but if you are set on doing it at least get blood work done to make sure your liver is healthy enough to do this. Get some Liv52 and run it on the weeks you are not taking orals.
A lot of people don't realize that while this might not be the best route, it was very common to run orals for extended periods like this back in the 60's and 70's.
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Any reason you recommend taking the Liv52 while off the dbol? Does it interfere with dbol's modes of action by taking it during? I always take milk thistle, betaine, and a couple of other support supps while on orals.
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I have done a low dose dbol 20mg a day for 6 months and I still looked and felt good, but when I went to the doc, my blood pressure was slightly high at 100 and my cholesterol was up also, not terrible..but these are the things you should look for...I also got some bad acid reflux from taking for so long..everything was cool after I stopped..
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This is the most obvious reply here but I think when we're young we can get away with a lot more wrt what we put in our bodies. As the years go on there's only so much it will take before something starts going wrong.
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acid reflux is an issue
i might try primobolan 600mg a week one injection
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It's bro science to 'not take liver supports' while on wtf..
milk thistle, NAC, UDCA (especially UDCA) are a must year round if you want your liver healthy. On and off stay on these especially if you like to use orals.
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Any reason you recommend taking the Liv52 while off the dbol? Does it interfere with dbol's modes of action by taking it during? I always take milk thistle, betaine, and a couple of other support supps while on orals.
No it doesn't hurt anything. I always saw better results using the liver support after i stopped using the orals. Just my personal way of doing things.
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acid reflux is an issue
i might try primobolan 600mg a week one injection
I would go this route. Maybe some Var and Primo.
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I wish i could find AFFORDABLE legit primo200.. the source i 'had' dissapeared, or rather i lost contact with.. although it was STILL expensive..
I wanted to jump on some 600mg primo a week right about now.. but damn it :( My regular source has 100mg but damn thats alot of pinning...
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I wish i could find AFFORDABLE legit primo200.. the source i 'had' dissapeared, or rather i lost contact with.. although it was STILL expensive..
I wanted to jump on some 600mg primo a week right about now.. but damn it :( My regular source has 100mg but damn thats alot of pinning...
oh come on bro, you can pin tren ED but the primo is too much? lol, jk.
But I was reading another board and there was a disscussion about Primo, and I heard Primo can be run without Test since primo isnt very supressive? is this true or a myth?
"Primobolan is also a very popular "bridging" steroid, meaning that bodybuilders sometimes use a steady dose of it in between their regular cycles to keep the body in a more anabolic state that natural, but while not keeping natural testosterone shut down as harshly as some other steroids will do."
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Well anyone saying u can 'bridge' and not be shutdown is full of bro science. Even var shuts you down even 20mg, believe me i had bloodwork to prove it then again i am already set for low-normal test and in need of trt so MAYBE but STILL it killed what little test I had and killed my sperm too. This was in the period of time i got off trt and tried to get wife pregnant, briefly i thought hah var will do nothing.. but yes it did...
So don't listen to any bs of anyone say u wont be shutdown, certain roids shut down harder than others but all exogenous androgens WILL shut your endogenous production to one degree or another. In respect to recovery... some are quicker and easier to recover from (var for instance) vs say tren or deca or superdrol.
Secondly primo is touted as highly anti catabolic and able to produce lean mass even under low caloric situations... so yeah its beneficial in that respect for sure... that was my plan.. to 'bridge' with trt test and some primo as i cant stay on tren ALL the time.
ANd lastly im not pinning tren-a im pinning tren-e twice a week. Never wana do ed injections not even for one week HAH!
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Well anyone saying u can 'bridge' and not be shutdown is full of bro science. Even var shuts you down even 20mg, believe me i had bloodwork to prove it then again i am already set for low-normal test and in need of trt so MAYBE but STILL it killed what little test I had and killed my sperm too. This was in the period of time i got off trt and tried to get wife pregnant, briefly i thought hah var will do nothing.. but yes it did...
So don't listen to any bs of anyone say u wont be shutdown, certain roids shut down harder than others but all exogenous androgens WILL shut your endogenous production to one degree or another. In respect to recovery... some are quicker and easier to recover from (var for instance) vs say tren or deca or superdrol.
Secondly primo is touted as highly anti catabolic and able to produce lean mass even under low caloric situations... so yeah its beneficial in that respect for sure... that was my plan.. to 'bridge' with trt test and some primo as i cant stay on tren ALL the time.
ANd lastly im not pinning tren-a im pinning tren-e twice a week. Never wana do ed injections not even for one week HAH!
thanks