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Title: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on January 10, 2013, 10:02:05 PM
???


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Kwon_2 on January 10, 2013, 10:03:20 PM
Too many blacks and muslims, causing unrest in the country.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: tommywishbone on January 10, 2013, 10:06:36 PM
Too many crumpets?


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: tu_holmes on January 10, 2013, 10:07:45 PM
Not enough guns to kill people who attempt to harm them.

If I have a knife and I know you can't shoot me, then odds are, I'm gonna be much more brash.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 10, 2013, 10:12:55 PM
Not enough guns to kill people who attempt to harm them.

If I have a knife and I know you can't shoot me, then odds are, I'm gonna be much more brash.

It absolutely boggles my mind.  I can't imagine a society where you're at the mercy of criminals.  It's insanity


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: tu_holmes on January 10, 2013, 10:25:54 PM
It absolutely boggles my mind.  I can't imagine a society where you're at the mercy of criminals.  It's insanity

I don't understand how people do not realize that fear is what keeps criminals at bay... Now of course, some just lose their shit and they are crazy and they go out killing people.

But if you are lets say a rapist, the idea of dying certainly will keep you from doing something you shouldn't do.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: garebear on January 10, 2013, 10:32:34 PM
Probably video games.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: mass243 on January 10, 2013, 10:41:50 PM
I don't understand how people do not realize that fear is what keeps criminals at bay... Now of course, some just lose their shit and they are crazy and they go out killing people.

But if you are lets say a rapist, the idea of dying certainly will keep you from doing something you shouldn't do.



wouldn't want to get in this..... But isn't USA more violent and more criminal than basically any of these  "EU-countries" despite the supposed fear planted in criminals ?
I mean in America there is death penalty which doesn't exist in any other normal country, people have plenty of guns, overall punishments are much harder, more people sit in prisons etc.

wikip gives for example following murder-rates:

USA 4.8
Denmark 0.9
Finland 2.2     (shameful figure but warrior-blood from Volga still sits in us somewhat)
Norway 0.6
Sweden 1.0
UK 1.2
Greece 1.5
Italy 0.9
Portugal 1.2
Spain 0.8
Germany 0.8
Netherlands 1.1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country

You can see that US is on whole different planet.
Of course these are murder rates but I recall other crimes follow pretty much the same statistics.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: tu_holmes on January 10, 2013, 10:43:06 PM

wouldn't want to get in this..... But isn't USA more violent and more criminal than basically any of these  "EU-countries" despite the supposed fear planted in criminals ?

wikip gives for example following murder-rates:

USA 4.8
Denmark 0.9
Finland 2.2     (shameful figure but Badass-blood from Volga still sits in us somewhat)
Norway 0.6
Sweden 1.0
UK 1.2
Greece 1.5
Italy 0.9
Portugal 1.2
Spain 0.8
Germany 0.8
Netherlands 1.1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country

You can see that US is on whole different planet.
Of course these are murder rates but I recall other crimes follow pretty much the same statistics.


No it's not... You are looking at homicide.

In all over VIOLENCE, including strong armed robbery and rape, the UK is the 2nd most violent country in the world.



Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: tommywishbone on January 10, 2013, 10:44:36 PM
Don't forget about the 100,000+ we murdered in Iraq, or was that Iran, or Afghanistan? 



Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: mass243 on January 10, 2013, 10:49:58 PM

No it's not... You are looking at homicide.

In all over VIOLENCE, including strong armed robbery and rape, the UK is the 2nd most violent country in the world.


Really?
Didn't know this, must admit that.


Only thing I found quick was this map which claims to show countries with highest reported "crime rates" and indeed it puts UK in 2nd (not specifying the crimes though)
(http://www.mapsofworld.com/images/world-top-ten-countries/countries-with-highest-reported-crime-rates.jpg)


The problem being it shows "reported crimes". In African countries or in many Asian countries, not ever speaking of South-American countries there probably are not systems to report crimes or at least to keep record of them.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: tu_holmes on January 10, 2013, 10:54:21 PM

Really?
Didn't know this, must admit that.


Only thing I found quick was this map which claims to show countries with highest reported "crime rates"
(http://www.mapsofworld.com/images/world-top-ten-countries/countries-with-highest-reported-crime-rates.jpg)

Crime rates are also not accurate... They include things like petty larceny and shoplifting.

Again, not violent crime.



Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: dj181 on January 11, 2013, 12:29:38 AM
coz they want to be like america

they also have plenty of fatasses there, just like america :-X :-X :-X


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: BigCyp on January 11, 2013, 01:40:55 AM
I'll bring the rate down this afternoon and get back to you guys


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Griffith on January 11, 2013, 01:47:03 AM
The UK is the type of country where people will call the police to 'report' any stupid incident.

I've been here for years and feel super safe, never felt threatened or in any type of danger.

Most violent 'crime' are knife stabbings from teenagers against each other and who think they gangsters. Most are of carribean/african descent.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: BigCyp on January 11, 2013, 02:28:26 AM
I once saw around 10 black 18-20 year olds standing at the bottom of our road, I walked over and said "What are you doing" they said "practicing for the olympics". I went back to my house and reassured my wife that she had nothing to fear from these athletes.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Griffith on January 11, 2013, 03:19:41 AM

No it's not... You are looking at homicide.

In all over VIOLENCE, including strong armed robbery and rape, the UK is the 2nd most violent country in the world.



Completely ridiculous.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: tu_holmes on January 11, 2013, 03:21:09 AM
no theres no way, no way in hell that the uk beats brazil and the like

mexico?

the whole of africa?

Read 'em and weap.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html


I do correct myself... It's second in the EU and more than the US.

I was incorrect about the world.

My apologies.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: tu_holmes on January 11, 2013, 03:30:40 AM
no problem.

but even second in eu dont mean much, europe has worse countries.

i been to many places in europe and the uk feels safe.

if one has seen london, hes seen it all.

spain is more safe maybe on paper, but every house at any beach is gated,lol.

serbia is kinda safe too, but its bc ppl know the cops will transform you into a cripple just for fun.

its all relative.



There is actually some other stuff that's been brought out and even makes it more violent than most countries, even those in Africa, but I'd have to do a lot more research and I'm not doing that right this minute.

The UK's violent crime average is 3.5 times the US... 350%!!!!


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Griffith on January 11, 2013, 04:04:42 AM
Read 'em and weap.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html


I do correct myself... It's second in the EU and more than the US.

I was incorrect about the world.

My apologies.


What a fucking joke!

I'm FROM South Africa.

Some of you people live in such sheltered lives you don't even know what real danger is hahhaha

UK is a living PARADISE compared, a UTOPIA in comparison where I can actually walk around in the streets and even at 2AM without a single person bothering me.

You people are so spoiled, you have no idea how LUCKY you are to have grown up in such good countries.

Unless you from Brazil or Colombia or something, you completely clueless!


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Irongrip400 on January 11, 2013, 04:17:07 AM
Pakis and the like


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: _bruce_ on January 11, 2013, 04:40:10 AM
What a fucking joke!

I'm FROM South Africa.

Some of you people live in such sheltered lives you don't even know what real danger is hahhaha

UK is a living PARADISE compared, a UTOPIA in comparison where I can actually walk around in the streets and even at 2AM without a single person bothering me.

You people are so spoiled, you have no idea how LUCKY you are to have grown up in such good countries.

Unless you from Brazil or Colombia or something, you completely clueless!

Is leaving the country an option for you? I watched some youtube clips where south africanians, of course whiteoids, talked a little bit about the conditions of living and it seems immensely shitty. Also met an Austrian who lived there for a few years and after some gun incidents involving the school that his children attended he packed his bags and left to never return.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Dicki_Nurmom on January 11, 2013, 04:42:14 AM
teeth and big noses


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Griffith on January 11, 2013, 04:55:34 AM
Is leaving the country an option for you? I watched some youtube clips where south africanians, of course whiteoids, talked a little bit about the conditions of living and it seems immensely shitty. Also met an Austrian who lived there for a few years and after some gun incidents involving the school that his children attended he packed his bags and left to never return.

Yes, luckily for me I have left. I consider myself very fortunate.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: onetoughrepublican on January 11, 2013, 04:57:36 AM
britain got its ass wuuped because its a bunch of liberal pussys atheyists


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: _bruce_ on January 11, 2013, 05:28:34 AM
Yes, luckily for me I have left. I consider myself very fortunate.

Good to know that you're secure and left the shithole.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: BB on January 11, 2013, 07:37:30 AM

Really?
Didn't know this, must admit that.


Only thing I found quick was this map which claims to show countries with highest reported "crime rates" and indeed it puts UK in 2nd (not specifying the crimes though)
(http://www.mapsofworld.com/images/world-top-ten-countries/countries-with-highest-reported-crime-rates.jpg)

.


That chart doesn't seem to be adjusted for population. The US is 5 times larger than Britain in population. 300,000,000 vs 60,000,000.




Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: dr.chimps on January 11, 2013, 07:43:50 AM
Yobs, chavs and wide boys.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: dj181 on January 11, 2013, 07:47:12 AM
you can be damn sure that it ain't the WASP's doing this shit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTU2Y0VFH0E


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: BB on January 11, 2013, 07:49:40 AM


wikip gives for example following murder-rates:

USA 4.8
Denmark 0.9
Finland 2.2     (shameful figure but warrior-blood from Volga still sits in us somewhat)
Norway 0.6
Sweden 1.0
UK 1.2
Greece 1.5
Italy 0.9
Portugal 1.2
Spain 0.8
Germany 0.8
Netherlands 1.1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country

You can see that US is on whole different planet.
Of course these are murder rates but I recall other crimes follow pretty much the same statistics.

Our murder rate is high due to black on black violence, with in turn is usually tied to the gang and drug trade. Our country publishes the FBI UCR where you can look at crime trends - Among Whites, it's in the low 2's. Among Latins, it's just a tad higher. Among Blacks it's always in the low to mid 6's. Sad but true.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: syntaxmachine on January 11, 2013, 07:53:36 AM
I once saw around 10 black 18-20 year olds standing at the bottom of our road, I walked over and said "What are you doing" they said "practicing for the olympics". I went back to my house and reassured my wife that she had nothing to fear from these athletes.

That's right Cyp, and the occasional gunshots you hear at night are those jocks starting their practice races. Nothing to worry about.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Nails on January 11, 2013, 08:10:43 AM
shitty weather


(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcojqrzOs41qzg72uo1_500.jpg)


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: dr.chimps on January 11, 2013, 08:26:54 AM
shitty weather


(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcojqrzOs41qzg72uo1_500.jpg)
Ha! Come for the weather. Stay for the food.        ;D


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: BILL ANVIL on January 11, 2013, 08:30:40 AM
It absolutely boggles my mind.  I can't imagine a society where you're at the mercy of criminals.  It's insanity

come to canada where criminals have more rights than the obedient lol


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on January 11, 2013, 08:34:07 AM
lots of brown and black skinned people.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: BB on January 11, 2013, 08:52:21 AM
yeah i hear that often, its the gangangers.



but that doesnt make them go away.

in brazil most shootings,too, are done by criminals, no shit, eh.

blacks and gang culture are result from american history, its part of the society.




I'm just pointing it out because foreigners try to make it out like the US is some spectacularly violent country when a huge percentage of all the violent crime is limited to a small segment of society, which on average will never cross into "regular" society. Does it suck for the normal people that are stuck in those areas? Sure, but that is a societal problem confined to those areas, until they embrace the fact that they are fucking it up for themselves and others, nothing will happen.

All the increased policing, gun control, community centers, etc.... will do little to correct that.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on January 11, 2013, 11:43:26 AM
I posted this eons ago to shut up Raymondo


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Emmortal on January 11, 2013, 12:27:37 PM
You can look at the most recent data here, under Assaults, the UK has a far higher rate of violent crime than the US, even if you exclude Ireland, Scotland and Whales.

http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/statistics/crime.html


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Griffith on January 11, 2013, 12:32:58 PM
I posted this eons ago to shut up Raymondo

There is NO way South Africa is THIRD on that list.

No-one really bothers to REPORT crimes and violence to the police as it is a waste of time.

On the other hand, in the UK they will report every single small nuisance and totally bombard the police with 'reports'.

Some countries also do even bother to properly file or keep records such as the third one on that list which is one ofa the most dangerous country outside of a war-zone.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Conker on January 11, 2013, 12:33:42 PM
"The comparison of violent crime statistics between countries is usually problematic, due to the way different countries classify crime.[2] Valid comparisons require that similar offences between jurisdictions be compared. Often this is not possible because crime statistics aggregate equivalent offences in such different ways that make it difficult or impossible to obtain a valid comparison."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_crime


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: airosol on January 11, 2013, 12:39:06 PM
not entirely accurate


jimmy savile accounted for 45.5% of all those rapes


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: tu_holmes on January 11, 2013, 12:43:52 PM
There is NO way South Africa is THIRD on that list.

No-one really bothers to REPORT crimes and violence to the police as it is a waste of time.

On the other hand, in the UK they will report every single small nuisance and totally bombard the police with 'reports'.

Some countries also do even bother to properly file or keep records such as the third one on that list which is one ofa the most dangerous country outside of a war-zone.

Well, if you have something to show us that would change our minds, I'd be open to it, but for now... I'm going with that list.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: mass243 on January 11, 2013, 12:44:44 PM
not entirely accurate

jimmy savile accounted for 45.5% of all those rapes


 :-X

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BktFcnAScQk/UH1HLSxUqaI/AAAAAAAACYg/CgQg1cmMiy0/s1600/savile.jpg)


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Conker on January 11, 2013, 12:56:16 PM
"The presentation of large amounts of reported crime data in the same format, as is the case with the various country results reported on this web site, raises questions about the possibility of comparing reported crime levels in different countries. In fact, experts generally regard cross-country comparisons of crime statistics as being characterized by methodological difficulties for the following three reasons:

Different definitions for specific crime types in different countries: The category in which any incident of victimization is recorded relies on the legal definition of crime in any country. Should that definition be different, and indeed this is often the case, comparisons will not in fact be made of exactly the same crime type. This is particularly the case in crimes that require some discretion from a police officer or relevant authority when they are identified. For example, the definitional difference between serious or common assault in different legal jurisdictions may be different, and this will be reflected in the total number of incidents recorded.

Different levels of reporting and traditions of policing: Different societies across the globe have been shown to have different levels of reporting of criminal incidents. This relates closely to levels of development in any society, most clearly reflected in accessibility to the police. Thus factors such as the number of police stations or telephones in any society impact upon reporting levels. The level of insurance coverage in any community is also a key indicator of the likelihood of citizens approaching the police as their claim for compensation may require such notification. In addition, in societies where the police are or have been mistrusted by the population, most specifically during periods of authoritarian rule, reporting levels are likely to be lower than in cases where the police are regarded as important members of the community.

Different social, economic and political contexts: Comparing crime data from societies that are fundamentally different may ignore key issues present in the society that impact upon levels of reporting. For example, different social norms in some societies may make it almost impossible for women to report cases of rape or sexual abuse, while in others, women are encouraged to come forward.

These factors, while alerting the reader to the potential pitfalls of comparisons, apply more to some crimes than others. In selected cases, most notably homicide, country to country comparisons are safer, although may still be subject to the drawbacks outlined above. In the case of some categories of violent crime - such as rape or assault - country to country comparisons may simply be unreliable and misleading.

http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/Compiling-and-comparing-International-Crime-Statistics.html

Murder rate figs are safest and most reliable way to compare how violent different countries are.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Griffith on January 11, 2013, 01:48:35 PM
Well, if you have something to show us that would change our minds, I'd be open to it, but for now... I'm going with that list.

I'm not even going to bother.

I've lived in both countries.....as I said, the UK is a PARADISE in comparison in terms of safety.

Being able to walk in the streets at night and just walk in the streets in general is like a dream come true!!!

You people have no idea how lucky you are and how much you take for granted!


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Rajkapoor on January 11, 2013, 02:20:49 PM
Pakis and the like
you are part of the problem Mr.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: BILL ANVIL on January 11, 2013, 02:31:15 PM
how can south africa be that low. its a shithole and im betting that same number on there is the amount of crime not reported. 250 cops are killed there alone every year for fuck sakes.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: MikMaq on January 11, 2013, 02:36:58 PM
Lol some fucking stupid folk in this thread, as I'm sure I said about a month ago, those brit stats are based on reported crimes, and the way their grouped.


You guys are the definition of fucking stupid, your actually putting effort into these posts while, being so fucking oblivious to the obvious. If you seriously think violent crime is anywhere, possible, ever, approaching the issues in SA, you must be living in the 13 th century or some shit because your beyond retarded.

Guns escalate violence it's a fucking fact, well established one.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 11, 2013, 02:37:53 PM
Because most of their women are goddamn ugly


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Emmortal on January 11, 2013, 02:42:06 PM
Because most of their women are goddamn ugly

I report an assault any time one of those horse faced c*nts look in my direction.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Dr Dutch on January 11, 2013, 02:44:13 PM
Because most of their women are goddamn ugly
X2 but they got the biggest boobs of all countries...


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: arce1988 on January 11, 2013, 10:33:29 PM
  I love boobs


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: pedro01 on January 11, 2013, 11:26:14 PM

No it's not... You are looking at homicide.

In all over VIOLENCE, including strong armed robbery and rape, the UK is the 2nd most violent country in the world.



lol....

That is ridiculous. So which 3rd world hell hole is number 1 in the world? Do you think that UK residents should move to a safer country such as Somalia, South Africa, Nigeria?????


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: tu_holmes on January 11, 2013, 11:39:00 PM
lol....

That is ridiculous. So which 3rd world hell hole is number 1 in the world? Do you think that UK residents should move to a safer country such as Somalia, South Africa, Nigeria?????

You get higher in the thread yet, or you care to keep rehashing something we've already gone over?


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: dj181 on January 12, 2013, 12:45:57 AM
Because most of their women are goddamn ugly

even uglier that dutch girls ???


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: smoothasf on January 12, 2013, 01:03:06 AM
violent lol I . I could go out all . right every night and not have any trouble. it is far from violent. the reports are all from the same council estates reporting when they have a little scrap with each other 10 Times a day. usually two druggy friends scrapping over the 1.20 the other took.
violent crimes against regular folk is non existent.
burglary and car crime a different story.
I live in one of the roughest town's in the most violent (apparently) part of the UK.  I've got a 3000 push bike in the shed no one has ever tried to steal.  even though I'm surrounded by jobless drug dealers who fight each other all the time they have never even looked at me funny.
all bs


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 12, 2013, 03:34:10 AM
even uglier that dutch girls ???

Yes, our cows look more healthy


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: closeline on January 12, 2013, 03:55:19 AM
???

Genetics?


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Conker on January 12, 2013, 04:02:07 AM
You get higher in the thread yet, or you care to keep rehashing something we've already gone over?


I have posted two bits of info one from the UN website that states that these crime figs from different countries are very unreliable for the use of country to country comparison, due to the different way each country classifies certain crimes and compiles their figs.

The UN website claims that homicide figs are one of the safer for drawing accurate comparisons as there is very little difference how different countries classify this crime.

You can see straight away from the fact that South Africa is apparently less violent than the UK that any comparisons on those figs are completely flawed. Only an utter moron would believe that the UK is more violent than the SA.

If one country has a much higher murder rate than another you can bet your bottom dollar it will also be an all round more violent country. The US has a far, far higher murder rate than the UK.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 12, 2013, 04:03:47 AM
X2 but they got the biggest boobs of all countries...

And big asses as well  :-\


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Tito24 on January 12, 2013, 04:36:13 AM
its quite a myth britains women are ugly, when i was there i saw a lot of hot ones


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 12, 2013, 04:42:26 AM
I'm glad to hear that you liked their drugs, Tito  ;D


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Tito24 on January 12, 2013, 04:49:54 AM
i didnt do drugs there unfortunately, i was there with people who were not that freedom loving.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 12, 2013, 07:29:10 AM
Lol some fucking stupid folk in this thread, as I'm sure I said about a month ago, those brit stats are based on reported crimes, and the way their grouped.


You guys are the definition of fucking stupid, your actually putting effort into these posts while, being so fucking oblivious to the obvious. If you seriously think violent crime is anywhere, possible, ever, approaching the issues in SA, you must be living in the 13 th century or some shit because your beyond retarded.

Guns escalate violence it's a fucking fact, well established one.

You're in no position to make fun of anyone you ignorant fucking douche.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 12, 2013, 07:33:54 AM

I have posted two bits of info one from the UN website that states that these crime figs from different countries are very unreliable for the use of country to country comparison, due to the different way each country classifies certain crimes and compiles their figs.

The UN website claims that homicide figs are one of the safer for drawing accurate comparisons as there is very little difference how different countries classify this crime.

You can see straight away from the fact that South Africa is apparently less violent than the UK that any comparisons on those figs are completely flawed. Only an utter moron would believe that the UK is more violent than the SA.

If one country has a much higher murder rate than another you can bet your bottom dollar it will also be an all round more violent country. The US has a far, far higher murder rate than the UK.


Our US figures are severely skewed by things like organized crime, and gangs, (criminals killing criminals), our boarder with Mexico, etc...

Larger and more diverse than the countries being compared.  Something like comparing a small town to the big city.  

Guns are banned in Russia and Brazil and they're homicide rate is much higher.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: dj181 on January 12, 2013, 07:40:45 AM
Yes, our cows look more healthy

truth be told, lots of dutchie girls have really pretty faces, but just don't look too long or hard at their asses coz then you're in for a major disappointment :'( :'( :'(

its quite a myth britains women are ugly, when i was there i saw a lot of hot ones

those "hot ones" that you noticed were probably polkas and not real brit girls


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 12, 2013, 07:57:26 AM
truth be told, lots of dutchie girls have really pretty faces, but just don't look too long or hard at their asses coz then you're in for a major disappointment :'( :'( :'(


On first sight they do have pretty faces, but their eyes indicate their inner coldness, which isn't a typical Dutch fenomen, it's a Middle-Northern Europe thing.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Conker on January 12, 2013, 08:09:19 AM
Our US figures are severely skewed by things like organized crime, and gangs, (criminals killing criminals), our boarder with Mexico, etc...

Larger and more diverse than the countries being compared.  Something like comparing a small town to the big city.  

Guns are banned in Russia and Brazil and they're homicide rate is much higher.


I never mentioned guns but I would guess Brazil and Russia are overall more violent countries than the US, but I would also bet your murder rate would be much more in line with western europe if you had similar gun control laws.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: mass243 on January 12, 2013, 08:16:45 AM

I never mentioned guns but I would guess Brazil and Russia are overall more violent countries than the US, but I would also bet your murder rate would be much more in line with western europe if you had similar gun control laws.


Plus Russians hunt with arrows because guns are banned   ;D  ::)

Plus presence of North Caucasus with islamist militants doesn't have anything to do with those Russian figures - which are btw about twice the rate of USA whereas USA has around 4-times the rate of EU-countries.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 12, 2013, 08:19:01 AM

I never mentioned guns

I know, I just thought I would throw that in.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: tu_holmes on January 12, 2013, 08:59:51 AM

I have posted two bits of info one from the UN website that states that these crime figs from different countries are very unreliable for the use of country to country comparison, due to the different way each country classifies certain crimes and compiles their figs.

The UN website claims that homicide figs are one of the safer for drawing accurate comparisons as there is very little difference how different countries classify this crime.

You can see straight away from the fact that South Africa is apparently less violent than the UK that any comparisons on those figs are completely flawed. Only an utter moron would believe that the UK is more violent than the SA.

If one country has a much higher murder rate than another you can bet your bottom dollar it will also be an all round more violent country. The US has a far, far higher murder rate than the UK.


That's a simplistic idea at best... All violence is not murder.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Rome on January 12, 2013, 09:28:41 AM
The chickens came home to roost, plain and simple. Poor minorities who's countries have been completely fucked up by hundreds of years of British colonialism came to the U.K for a better life.

Poor people are the one's that commit the most crimes even in countries that are homogenous. Any "liberal guilt" the British may have causing them to deal with the problem less severely is well deserved.

Historically, Great Britain has a lot to answer for and if karma does exist things will get worse for them before they get better.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: dj181 on January 12, 2013, 09:29:47 AM
On first sight they do have pretty faces, but their eyes indicate their inner coldness, which isn't a typical Dutch fenomen, it's a Middle-Northern Europe thing.

so does the same thing goes for the danish, swedish, and norway girls?

and if so, then i guess that there wouldn't be a nice "story in their eyes"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgOtLKttDU4


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: _bruce_ on January 12, 2013, 09:31:21 AM
Brits have zero liberal guilt, they just don't say how they feel about certain people among them.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: syntaxmachine on January 12, 2013, 09:32:59 AM
  I love boobs

(http://s2.postimage.org/stcaltdo9/perfect_boobs.jpg)


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 12, 2013, 11:02:10 AM
so does the same thing goes for the danish, swedish, and norway girls?

and if so, then i guess that there wouldn't be a nice "story in their eyes"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgOtLKttDU4

There are always exceptions, but in general yes. I've noticed the same coldness/reserved attitude at Scandinavian women. Compare them with Spanish, Italian or South American women, they have warmth, passion & joie de vivre in their eyes, must be the climate in those countries  8)

(http://www.billboard.com/photos/artist/64106-bebel-gilberto.jpg)


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: dj181 on January 12, 2013, 11:21:22 AM
There are always exceptions, but in general yes. I've noticed the same coldness/reserved attitude at Scandinavian women. Compare them with Spanish, Italian or South American women, they have warmth, passion & joie de vivre in their eyes, must be the climate in those countries  8)

(http://www.billboard.com/photos/artist/64106-bebel-gilberto.jpg)

and don't forget the french mademoiselles ;D :P 8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkbF2Fiea3s


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: quadzilla456 on January 12, 2013, 11:59:33 AM
Lol some fucking stupid folk in this thread, as I'm sure I said about a month ago, those brit stats are based on reported crimes, and the way their grouped.


You guys are the definition of fucking stupid, your actually putting effort into these posts while, being so fucking oblivious to the obvious. If you seriously think violent crime is anywhere, possible, ever, approaching the issues in SA, you must be living in the 13 th century or some shit because your beyond retarded.

Guns escalate violence it's a fucking fact, well established one.
REtard, don't be calling anybody stupid you god damn imbecile. Go play with the dildo in your gimp crate will ya?!! And leave the discussion to grownups!


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Mitch on January 12, 2013, 12:47:26 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2261290/Sixteen-police-injured-water-cannon-plastic-bullet-fired-Belfast-1-000-protestors-clash-escalating-violence-flying-Union-flag.html

Guess the race  ::)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/01/12/article-2261290-16E4FAC9000005DC-653_634x648.jpg)


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Voice of Doom on January 12, 2013, 01:17:54 PM
It absolutely boggles my mind.  I can't imagine a society where you're at the mercy of criminals.  It's insanity

Actually, it's pretty simple.  English men secretly desire the cock.  This causes them to embrace authoritarian nanny states.  Think about it.  The faggy way they talk, their propensity for cross dressing, their uptight caste system that forces them into dominant/submissive role playing.  They havent "won" a war in about 300 years.  Got their asses run ragged by Napolean, beaten by rag tag Americans...twice...got run over by the Germans twice, been chased out of Africa, China and India by people who had NOTHING to fight with.  They havent done shit in the World Cup since the 70s and hey line up in the street to worship "royalty".  ::) 

They're only claim to self respect left in the world are James Bond movies, beating Argentina in the Falklands (HA!), and manipulating the people's wealth through central banking.  Time to put that pissant little island out of their misery!


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 12, 2013, 02:17:06 PM
Actually, it's pretty simple.  English men secretly desire the cock.  This causes them to embrace authoritarian nanny states.  Think about it.  The faggy way they talk, their propensity for cross dressing, their uptight caste system that forces them into dominant/submissive role playing.  They havent "won" a war in about 300 years.  Got their asses run ragged by Napolean, beaten by rag tag Americans...twice...got run over by the Germans twice, been chased out of Africa, China and India by people who had NOTHING to fight with.  They havent done shit in the World Cup since the 70s and hey line up in the street to worship "royalty".  ::) 

They're only claim to self respect left in the world are James Bond movies, beating Argentina in the Falklands (HA!), and manipulating the people's wealth through central banking.  Time to put that pissant little island out of their misery!

hahahah!!!

YES!


BigCyp and James excluded of course!


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: gee38 on January 12, 2013, 02:38:25 PM
still at least we don't let a black guy run the country.



Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: gee38 on January 12, 2013, 02:46:46 PM
now lets look at the US

battered in vietnam- then treated their returning losers like scum

embarassed in afghanistan

melt from the chinese

were laughed out of somalia

got their pants pulled down by bin laden

could only contain the japs by nuking them the cowardly cowboys

only joined wwII when the russians and brits had broken the germans

a black guy muslim in control

and the jews tell you what to do

and are now over-run by spanish speaking people

an obese nation of nothingness- you should be proud.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Voice of Doom on January 12, 2013, 03:30:50 PM
still at least we don't let a black guy run the country.



Worse...you let a woman!  Obama may be black but at least he's a man. 8)


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: bradistani on January 12, 2013, 03:34:03 PM
i dunno about violent, it's pretty fucking depressing though


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Griffith on January 12, 2013, 04:17:01 PM
now lets look at the US

battered in vietnam- then treated their returning losers like scum

embarassed in afghanistan

melt from the chinese

were laughed out of somalia

got their pants pulled down by bin laden

could only contain the japs by nuking them the cowardly cowboys

only joined wwII when the russians and brits had broken the germans

a black guy muslim in control

and the jews tell you what to do

and are now over-run by spanish speaking people

an obese nation of nothingness- you should be proud.

Brutal.

They won't recover.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Method101 on January 12, 2013, 04:21:46 PM
Worse...you let a woman!  Obama may be black but at least he's a man. 8)
;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVd-DGMuHfM


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: BIG AL MCKECHNIE on January 12, 2013, 04:30:51 PM
now lets look at the US

battered in vietnam- then treated their returning losers like scum

embarassed in afghanistan

melt from the chinese

were laughed out of somalia

got their pants pulled down by bin laden

could only contain the japs by nuking them the cowardly cowboys

only joined wwII when the russians and brits had broken the germans

a black guy muslim in control

and the jews tell you what to do

and are now over-run by spanish speaking people

an obese nation of nothingness- you should be proud.

Don't forget they only joined in ww1 2 years after the Brits had already made a huge impact on the Germans on their own.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: BIG AL MCKECHNIE on January 12, 2013, 04:33:17 PM
Worse...you let a woman!  Obama may be black but at least he's a man. 8)

Don't you dare call Maggie Thatcher a woman.
She's more of a man than Obama will ever be.

Mind you, Obams dad was British black Kenyan and his mothers parents are British so I guess he's more British than the typical black American. A bit brighter too I'd venture.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Method101 on January 12, 2013, 04:35:48 PM
Obama is the first half-white president of the USA who was raised by his white family. It's funny to watch the retarded ghetto blacks think he is like their "brother".


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Griffith on January 12, 2013, 04:38:13 PM
Don't forget they only joined in ww1 2 years after the Brits had already made a huge impact on the Germans on their own.


The Soviet Union were probably the biggest contributors to Germany's defeat.

The Germans had better weapons, vehicles (on a technical level) and training but the Soviets could just send waves of cannon fodder to die in suicide attacks while at the same mass-producing cruder tanks and vehicles which were deadly in massed attacks.

Every tank and plane the Germans made were precision made but required much more maintenance, technically better, but if they could produce a hundred, then the Soviets could produce a thousand.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: gee38 on January 12, 2013, 04:40:31 PM
I love how people wanting healthcare is 'socialist'


nope.


its called looking after your people.

we get heston blumenthal. they get man vs food.

we get shakespeare . they get sesame street.

we get the beatles. they get the carpenters.

the only good thing about the US of A is how easy the women are. piece of piss. the blokes must be fucking clueless.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: BIG AL MCKECHNIE on January 12, 2013, 04:42:05 PM
The Soviet Union were probably the biggest contributors to Germany's defeat.

The Germans had better weapons, vehicles (on a technical level) and training but the Soviets could just send waves of cannon fodder to die in suicide attacks while at the same mass-producing cruder tanks and vehicles which were deadly in massed attacks.

Every tank and plane the Germans made were precision made but required much more maintenance, technically better, but if they could produce a hundred, then the Soviets could produce a thousand.
Thats all very true in relation to ww2 but my point was about ww1 when your general perishing or whatever his name was arrived 2 years late to the party.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: gee38 on January 12, 2013, 04:43:42 PM
I agree with the ww2 thing.


if it wasn't for a combo of russians willing to die on the front line and the brutal russian weather it may have been different.


god bless russia.

the only country to be so spineless as to nuke 100,000 plus people, fund the IRA through NORRAID, arm the mujahideen, create bin laden and let israel take the piss now tell us about a 'war on terror'.

you want to see terror?

see a country that whacks its own president- JFK?


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Griffith on January 12, 2013, 04:44:34 PM
Thats all very true in relation to ww2 but my point was about ww1 when your general perishing or whatever his name was arrived 2 years late to the party.

I misread your previous post, thought you meant World War II.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: BIG AL MCKECHNIE on January 12, 2013, 04:45:57 PM
I misread your previous post, thought you meant World War II.

I know, your points about ww2 were well made sir.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 12, 2013, 04:51:49 PM
hahahahahahhahahahahahha hahah!!!!


Too easy, multiple post British meltdown!!!!



Hell of a job Voice of Doom!!!!!


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: gee38 on January 12, 2013, 04:54:12 PM
translation:


'the defence offers no evidence m'lud'

 ;D


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: PJim on January 12, 2013, 05:28:35 PM
I think a fair few of you dumb fucks need to watch George Carlin's rant on national pride


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: tu_holmes on January 12, 2013, 05:43:29 PM


Brutal.

They won't recover.

Obviously.

::)


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Henda on January 12, 2013, 05:44:00 PM
England is a fucking shithole but I wouldnt consider it paticularly violent. Just avoid the scummy run down areas and the paki and nig areas and you are fine.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Voice of Doom on January 12, 2013, 08:53:38 PM
hahahahahahhahahahahahha hahah!!!!


Too easy, multiple post British meltdown!!!!



Hell of a job Voice of Doom!!!!!

No kidding.  Maybe these Brits need to go watch one of their  3 hour dramas of stuffy rich people doing as they're told...while it rains outside.   ::)

 



Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: mass243 on January 13, 2013, 03:38:41 AM

I like Emmerdale from Britain  8)

(http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/2900000/Emmerdale-Wallpaper-emmerdale-2972520-718-574.jpg)


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: GraniteCityDon on January 13, 2013, 04:48:55 AM
Essentially we are an unofficial state of the U.S. and as they say, monkey see, monkey do  ;D


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 13, 2013, 04:54:38 AM
I like Emmerdale from Britain  8)

(http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/2900000/Emmerdale-Wallpaper-emmerdale-2972520-718-574.jpg)

And let's not forget John Cleese  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xnNhzgcWTk


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Immortal_Technique on January 13, 2013, 04:56:03 AM
It absolutely boggles my mind.  I can't imagine a society where you're at the mercy of criminals.  It's insanity

If every thug here had a gun then we'd really be in trouble  :o



Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on January 13, 2013, 05:01:14 AM
UK govt is run by foreign Jews.

you can be damn sure that it ain't the WASP's doing this shit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTU2Y0VFH0E


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Immortal_Technique on January 13, 2013, 05:04:05 AM
UK govt is run by foreign Jews.


???

Haha you've gone wrong



Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on January 13, 2013, 05:05:06 AM
Because most of their women are goddamn ugly

The most beautiful woman I ever knew was English.  Blonde, blue eyes, skin like creamy milk,  perfect features, perfect figure.  She was like a dream come true.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 13, 2013, 05:07:55 AM
The most beautiful woman I ever knew was English.  Blonde, blue eyes, skin like creamy milk,  perfect features, perfect figure.  She was like a dream come true.

Sounds good, any (look-alike)pictures of the broad?


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on January 13, 2013, 05:08:40 AM
There are always exceptions, but in general yes. I've noticed the same coldness/reserved attitude at Scandinavian women. Compare them with Spanish, Italian or South American women, they have warmth, passion & joie de vivre in their eyes, must be the climate in those countries  8)

(http://www.billboard.com/photos/artist/64106-bebel-gilberto.jpg)

Or it could be that they just didn't like you.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on January 13, 2013, 05:10:20 AM
still at least we don't let a black guy run the country.



Problem is your leader is a closet pedophile, or at least pedophile protector.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on January 13, 2013, 05:11:29 AM
Don't you dare call Maggie Thatcher a woman.
She's more of a man than Obama will ever be.

LOLOL


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 13, 2013, 05:15:35 AM
Or it could be that they just didn't like you.

LOL, I get more attention from blondes than brunettes, but I've found out that I prefer a nice brunette with brown or green eyes.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on January 13, 2013, 05:15:53 AM
Sounds good, any (look-alike)pictures of the broad?

No.  Interesting that you say that, because I was only recently thinking how even the top babes you see on the net do not compare.  Just can not compare in facial beauty.

Plus she had a beautiful heart - a real old fashioned "look after her man" type of girl.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on January 13, 2013, 05:17:54 AM
LOL, I get more attention from blondes than brunettes, but I've found out that I prefer a nice brunette with brown or green eyes.

I love brunettes also.  But don't go for the blonde hate.  Besides most "blondes" that the average man talks about are just brunettes with blond hair dye.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 13, 2013, 05:22:23 AM
No.  Interesting that you say that, because I was only recently thinking how even the top babes you see on the net do not compare.  Just can not compare in facial beauty.

Plus she had a beautiful heart - a real old fashioned "look after her man" type of girl.

A woman looks even better, once you appreciate her soul. A 'babe' is just a nice looking girl, not much more than that.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Immortal_Technique on January 13, 2013, 05:30:09 AM
Indeed many Americans have not been to the uk, or outside America, they only know what their tv shows them of ridiculous characters like emily from friends, or that exaggerated cardboard cut-out english woman on the e channel. I have been to America a few times, I had a great time, it's a great country with many fine attributes and I'd love to go back, but i would say the press is anything but 'free'.

outside of America countries with more than 150 years history exist, a truer sense of liberation, education, depth etc do exist. I find Italy, France, Croatia, Germany etc have a philosophical, contemplatative, relaxed way of life on the whole, which has a lot of merit. What America has is tons of cool stuff! In the scheme of culture, the history of literature and art it is a dot, but it does have the coolest films, the coolest music (well arguably England has the most influencial bands ever) but the COOLEST stuff is American. It is shallow but very attractive. Just frustrating that intellectually so many Americans have zero awareness of their place in the world and the history of civilisation.

I attended university with some Americans, they were very good at reciting english literature, intelligent in the sense of remembering things, but in my opinion somewhat lacking in original thought. Pledging allegiance to stuff comes naturally, independent thought, contemplating outside of the box, and overall awareness of the world the us is perhaps slightly behind other cultures, the great European cultures etc. I would never say my country is the greatest, Socrates never said he was the most intelligent, but I'm pretty sure most americans think there is nothing of significance outside of US soil. There can be a 'world series' that only involves the US etc, half mad really, but certainly very COOL.



Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: BIG AL MCKECHNIE on January 13, 2013, 05:50:45 AM
No kidding.  Maybe these Brits need to go watch one of their  3 hour dramas of stuffy rich people doing as they're told...while it rains outside.   ::)


Mr Doom, you do realise that the royal family have no power and are only there to generate income from fat american tourists don't you?

We actually have a government which is voted for by the people in a fair and democratic way. Ordinary people running the country (with a few millionares thrown in). It's the same with all the other true free democracies in the world.

You Americans on the other hand have a fake freedom and democracy which our british grandfathers who wrote the constitution deliberately set up control the minds of the average american. This is why you have low education levels and 99.9 % of you work until you die so that 0.1% make all the money.
The british and rothschilds have been controling your minds since 1776.

USA has no democracy or freedom. You are controlled by the elite. When was the last time you had an ordinary man become president? Anyone can become president as long as they have multi million dollar backing and press manipulation behind them.  Now you have a half black british man placed as your president because we decided that is what you would have for some unknown political reason. To quiten the muslems maybe. And the republican candidate was selected so that obama was sure to get a second term.  This way you pea brained americans would think you had elected him in a democratic way.  :)

And yet the little people like mr Doom think you live in a democracy?    ::) ::) ::)

In a true democracy like the other western countries the citizens do not buy assault rifles to defent agains their own democratically elected government.

In the USA the clever ones do because they realise they are living in a  sham democracy with no true freedom.










Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 13, 2013, 06:11:52 AM
I love brunettes also.  But don't go for the blonde hate.  Besides most "blondes" that the average man talks about are just brunettes with blond hair dye.

No hating here, but I think that blondes are a bit overrated, prob because they look sexy & outgoing. Brunettes tend to look more mysterious, reserved and intelligent.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on January 13, 2013, 06:15:38 AM
No hating here, but I think that blondes are a bit overrated, prob because they look sexy & outgoing. Brunettes tend to look more mysterious, reserved and intelligent.

Well, I think it is not quite that simple. Also remember most so called blondes are artificial blondes (brunettes with hair dye) and they tend to have a certain look that I do not like sexually, but it is a bold standout look.  I think natural blondes + brunettes can be both stunning, and warm/mysterious + intelligent.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Ropo on January 13, 2013, 09:49:00 AM
???

Why? Compare time before and after gun ban.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Tapeworm on January 13, 2013, 09:56:21 AM
Alcohol + Football and Scotland.  And immigrants.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Voice of Doom on January 13, 2013, 10:12:58 AM
Mr Doom, you do realise that the royal family have no power and are only there to generate income from fat american tourists don't you?

We actually have a government which is voted for by the people in a fair and democratic way. Ordinary people running the country (with a few millionares thrown in). It's the same with all the other true free democracies in the world.

You Americans on the other hand have a fake freedom and democracy which our british grandfathers who wrote the constitution deliberately set up control the minds of the average american. This is why you have low education levels and 99.9 % of you work until you die so that 0.1% make all the money.
The british and rothschilds have been controling your minds since 1776.

USA has no democracy or freedom. You are controlled by the elite. When was the last time you had an ordinary man become president? Anyone can become president as long as they have multi million dollar backing and press manipulation behind them.  Now you have a half black british man placed as your president because we decided that is what you would have for some unknown political reason. To quiten the muslems maybe. And the republican candidate was selected so that obama was sure to get a second term.  This way you pea brained americans would think you had elected him in a democratic way.  :)

And yet the little people like mr Doom think you live in a democracy?     ::) ::) ::)

In a true democracy like the other western countries the citizens do not buy assault rifles to defent agains their own democratically elected government.

In the USA the clever ones do because they realise they are living in a  sham democracy with no true freedom.


I dont think I live in a democracy...because I don't...I live in a Republic.  I thought the English were supposed to be smart?  Or maybe they substitute pretension for learning.

Oh, and we've had a couple of Presidents arise from the common man.  I think you'll remember one in particular.  His name was Andrew Jackson.  He made his bones at the Battle of New Orleans ending England's second pathetic attempt to constrain free men.  Seriously, when is the last time you guys won a battle...not even a war...just a battle?  Maybe if your armed forces spent more time practicing and less time buggering you'd improve.  Sound advice for your National Football team too.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: dj181 on January 13, 2013, 10:15:28 AM
UK govt is run by foreign Jews.


that fucking figures

why am i not suprised


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: dj181 on January 13, 2013, 10:17:03 AM
A woman looks even better, once you appreciate her soul. A 'babe' is just a nice looking girl, not much more than that.

nice post :)


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Alex23 on January 13, 2013, 10:50:55 AM
First the uk is not part of the eu (god bless their heart)

Second its violent because there's still something worth fighting for, unlike the rest of socioeurotrash.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: mass243 on January 13, 2013, 11:23:21 AM
First the uk is not part of the eu (god bless their heart)

Second its violent because there's still something worth fighting for, unlike the rest of socioeurotrash.


wrong.
UK is part of the EU.






Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: tu_holmes on January 13, 2013, 11:25:31 AM
I dont think I live in a democracy...because I don't...I live in a Republic.  I thought the English were supposed to be smart?  Or maybe they substitute pretension for learning.

Oh, and we've had a couple of Presidents arise from the common man.  I think you'll remember one in particular.  His name was Andrew Jackson.  He made his bones at the Battle of New Orleans ending England's second pathetic attempt to constrain free men.  Seriously, when is the last time you guys won a battle...not even a war...just a battle?  Maybe if your armed forces spent more time practicing and less time buggering you'd improve.  Sound advice for your National Football team too.

I always laugh when people start downing the US system of government.

I'd love for someone to show me a better one... Our Constitutional Republic is the best thing going.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Tapeworm on January 13, 2013, 11:29:14 AM
I always laugh when people start downing the US system of government.

I'd love for someone to show me a better one... Our Constitutional Republic is the best thing going.

Now all the government has to do is adhere to it and we'll be all set.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: mass243 on January 13, 2013, 11:31:19 AM
I always laugh when people start downing the US system of government.

I'd love for someone to show me a better one... Our Constitutional Republic is the best thing going.


No shit talk but honestly, Finnish multiparty parliament and government plus straight popular vote for president, who has limited power, beats American system hands down in democracy.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: tu_holmes on January 13, 2013, 11:42:20 AM

No shit talk but honestly, Finnish multiparty parliament and government plus straight popular vote for president, who has limited power, beats American system hands down in democracy.

I'd have to research a little more... It sounds like they took our idea and modified it slightly.

At one point in time I believe ours was just like that and somehow, over time, we have lost our way.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: mass243 on January 13, 2013, 12:15:06 PM
I'd have to research a little more... It sounds like they took our idea and modified it slightly.

At one point in time I believe ours was just like that and somehow, over time, we have lost our way.

Gotta give you that it's good the term of president is only 4 years in USA.
It's 6 years in Finland although president doesn't have even remotely as much power.

Switzerland might be the most democratic country in the world.
I'm not expert on their system but what I've read it's pretty unique, in a good way. Most laws for example are passed by popular vote and 'head of state' acts only for 1 year.



Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Griffith on January 13, 2013, 12:20:52 PM
I always laugh when people start downing the US system of government.

I'd love for someone to show me a better one... Our Constitutional Republic is the best thing going.

The Romans still called themselves a 'Republic' too right till their dying days in the West haha

When there only two parties, which are virtually identical and two candidates to choose from....not quite ideal.

And when those two groups are basically backed by the same people.....also not quite so ideal.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: tu_holmes on January 13, 2013, 12:29:23 PM
The Romans still called themselves a 'Republic' too right till their dying days in the West haha

When there only two parties, which are virtually identical and two candidates to choose from....not quite ideal.

And when those two groups are basically backed by the same people.....also not quite so ideal.

I don't disagree... The US is not perfect, but again, I think it's the best form of government going.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 13, 2013, 12:29:55 PM
I'm not to familiar with life in Belgium, but I was just randomly comparing US States to European countries and found that Belgium has a higher homicide rate than most US States.  Guns are banned in Belgium.

What's that all about?

Basically, most US States are inline with European countries.  Our gun violence stats are skewed by states that need to workout other issues.  


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: BIG AL MCKECHNIE on January 13, 2013, 12:32:51 PM
I don't disagree... The US is not perfect, but again, I think it's the best form of government going.

So what makes you think that?
Comparing the US system with Australia or Canada or UK or Germany or France.
How is the US system better?
It's a serious question, maybe you are right but what do you base it on?





Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: tu_holmes on January 13, 2013, 12:38:12 PM
So what makes you think that?
Comparing the US system with Australia or Canada or UK or Germany or France.
How is the US system better?
It's a serious question, maybe you are right but what do you base it on?






I like how in our republic, the Presidential office separates the executive and legislative functions... It provides for a greater system of "checks and balances" than the Parliamentary process where the Prime Minister is a part of legislature and and answers to them.

I also like how we vote separately for that office where in the Parliament they appoint the Prime Minister.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 13, 2013, 12:38:50 PM
So what makes you think that?
Comparing the US system with Australia or Canada or UK or Germany or France.
How is the US system better?
It's a serious question, maybe you are right but what do you base it on?

Individual rights, and self determination.

The freedom to completely run your own life, individual sovereignty like no other country.  I like Socialism for Europe, but I have a real problem with our politicians trying to mimic it, that's not who we are.  I want us to continue on the path where people can become rich, or completely fail based on their own life decisions.

I don't think it's a matter of better, or worse.  I just hope a place like the US where you can run your own life without government interference (economically, socially, etc) continues to exist.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 13, 2013, 12:44:44 PM
That's quickly coming to an end though, too many mediocre people have decided they want government to support them like their parents did.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Griffith on January 13, 2013, 01:12:19 PM

I like how in our republic, the Presidential office separates the executive and legislative functions... It provides for a greater system of "checks and balances" than the Parliamentary process where the Prime Minister is a part of legislature and and answers to them.

I also like how we vote separately for that office where in the Parliament they appoint the Prime Minister.

That's how other Republics generally work as well though.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: tu_holmes on January 13, 2013, 02:18:40 PM
That's how other Republics generally work as well though.

He specifically asked me about the US vs. Australian, Canadian, and UK systems.

So that's the difference between ours and theirs that I feel makes us better.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Raymondo on January 13, 2013, 02:22:35 PM
He specifically asked me about the US vs. Australian, Canadian, and UK systems.

So that's the difference between ours and theirs that I feel makes us better.


The main difference I think is, you guys have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights. Makes it a bit more difficult for the government to violate your civil rights. A bit, but not too much.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: BILL ANVIL on January 13, 2013, 04:39:04 PM
The main difference I think is, you guys have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights. Makes it a bit more difficult for the government to violate your civil rights. A bit, but not too much.

canadian government has the breach of peace legislation which makes it legal for police to lock people up indefinitely for anything they want. im sure Australia and UK has something similar  ???


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: tu_holmes on January 13, 2013, 05:07:25 PM
The main difference I think is, you guys have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights. Makes it a bit more difficult for the government to violate your civil rights. A bit, but not too much.

The separation of powers is inherently what keeps the breach of civil rights supposedly in check, but of course, lately that hasn't gone so well.

It's very disappointing.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Raymondo on January 13, 2013, 05:10:11 PM
canadian government has the breach of peace legislation which makes it legal for police to lock people up indefinitely for anything they want. im sure Australia and UK has something similar  ???

No, you can't do this here as far as I know, although the last government wanted to institute a forty-day lock-up period for terror suspects, which of course did not pass.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: slate on January 13, 2013, 07:01:31 PM
The separation of powers is inherently what keeps the breach of civil rights supposedly in check, but of course, lately that hasn't gone so well.

It's very disappointing.

the constitution religion is very strong in america. it always amazes me the number of people that  don't think twice about discarding the idea of following the Jewish or Christian bible because they see it as being full of anachronisms but think that a text written more than 200 years ago by a bunch of slave owners in a society that was totally alien to our world is something to be held as sacred

then there are the saints of the religion, the founding fathers and the thousands of bullshit books and hagiographies published every year about these provincial hicks going through the same bullshit stories that sell like hot cakes

and it is all so natural that no one even notices how ridiculous it is. just imagine as an american what you would think if another country came to you with the same story. you'd think these guys must be crazy


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: tu_holmes on January 13, 2013, 07:05:52 PM
the constitution religion is very strong in america. it always amazes me the number of people that  don't think twice about discarding the idea of following the Jewish or Christian bible because they see it as being full of anachronisms but think that a text written more than 200 years ago by a bunch of slave owners in a society that was totally alien to our world is something to be held as sacred

then there are the saints of the religion, the founding fathers and the thousands of bullshit books and hagiographies published every year about these provincial hicks going through the same bullshit stories that sell like hot cakes

and it is all so natural that no one even notices how ridiculous it is. just imagine as an american what you would think if another country came to you with the same story. you'd think these guys must be crazy

So  you're saying that the history of how the US came to be is "crazy".

I see.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 13, 2013, 07:16:26 PM
So  you're saying that the history of how the US came to be is "crazy".

I see.


He's an idiot


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 13, 2013, 07:17:45 PM
the constitution religion is very strong in america. it always amazes me the number of people that  don't think twice about discarding the idea of following the Jewish or Christian bible because they see it as being full of anachronisms but think that a text written more than 200 years ago by a bunch of slave owners in a society that was totally alien to our world is something to be held as sacred

What parts of the Bill of Rights do you disagree with? 


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: syntaxmachine on January 13, 2013, 07:41:55 PM
Individual rights, and self determination.

The freedom to completely run your own life, individual sovereignty like no other country.  I like Socialism for Europe, but I have a real problem with our politicians trying to mimic it, that's not who we are.  I want us to continue on the path where people can become rich, or completely fail based on their own life decisions.

I don't think it's a matter of better, or worse.  I just hope a place like the US where you can run your own life without government interference (economically, socially, etc) continues to exist.

It sounds like you subscribe to some sort of magical fantasy vision of our country.

Economic mobility is greater in Canada and much of Europe than in the United States, median real incomes in our country are lower than 40 years ago, the U.S. government denies rights based on sexual orientation (unlike Canada and much of Europe), has made a definite shift towards authoritarianism with the extension of the Patriot Act and the hardening of enhanced executive power under GWB (e.g., an ever-increasing reliance on executive orders), wages a war against its own population, resulting in the highest incarceration rates on the planet (unlike Europe, which generally takes a treatment-based approach to drugs), has a tandem with elites in the corporate world who yield an unprecedented control over American minds via the television (Americans watch roughly 5 hours a day on average), and its state/local governments are installing cameras on every corner, deploying drones in the sky, and in general importing more and more military tactics back home to control the population.

That's not to say there aren't great things about the country, nor that the problems listed can't be improved upon to varying degrees. But perpetuation of the orgasmic "freedom" fantasy apparent in your post can only do harm to the extent that it inoculates people to the need for change and to the extent that it fosters utterly ridiculous beliefs like the notion that our center-right politicians are implementing anything remotely like socialism.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 13, 2013, 07:46:05 PM
It sounds like you subscribe to some sort of magical fantasy vision of our country.

Economic mobility is greater in Canada and much of Europe than in the United States, median real incomes in our country are lower than 40 years ago, the U.S. government denies rights based on sexual orientation (unlike Canada and much of Europe), has made a definite shift towards authoritarianism with the extension of the Patriot Act and the hardening of enhanced executive power under GWB (e.g., an ever-increasing reliance on executive orders), wages a war against its own population, resulting in the highest incarceration rates on the planet (unlike Europe, which generally takes a treatment-based approach to drugs), has a tandem with elites in the corporate world who yield an unprecedented control over American minds via the television (Americans watch roughly 5 hours a day on average), and its state/local governments are installing cameras on every corner, deploying drones in the sky, and in general importing more and more military tactics back home to control the population.

Unfortunately you're not far off, although that hasn't always been true.

I am a hardline libertarian, I hope we'll move back in that direction


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Maddy on January 13, 2013, 07:53:01 PM

wouldn't want to get in this..... But isn't USA more violent and more criminal than basically any of these  "EU-countries" despite the supposed fear planted in criminals ?
I mean in America there is death penalty which doesn't exist in any other normal country, people have plenty of guns, overall punishments are much harder, more people sit in prisons etc.

wikip gives for example following murder-rates:

USA 4.8
Denmark 0.9
Finland 2.2     (shameful figure but warrior-blood from Volga still sits in us somewhat)
Norway 0.6
Sweden 1.0
UK 1.2
Greece 1.5
Italy 0.9
Portugal 1.2
Spain 0.8
Germany 0.8
Netherlands 1.1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country

You can see that US is on whole different planet.
Of course these are murder rates but I recall other crimes follow pretty much the same statistics.

mass243
has anyone
bothered to point to
you the Russia
is 10.2 that is
2.5 times of the
United States


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: BILL ANVIL on January 13, 2013, 08:39:08 PM
It sounds like you subscribe to some sort of magical fantasy vision of our country.

Economic mobility is greater in Canada and much of Europe than in the United States, median real incomes in our country are lower than 40 years ago, the U.S. government denies rights based on sexual orientation (unlike Canada and much of Europe), has made a definite shift towards authoritarianism with the extension of the Patriot Act and the hardening of enhanced executive power under GWB (e.g., an ever-increasing reliance on executive orders), wages a war against its own population, resulting in the highest incarceration rates on the planet (unlike Europe, which generally takes a treatment-based approach to drugs), has a tandem with elites in the corporate world who yield an unprecedented control over American minds via the television (Americans watch roughly 5 hours a day on average), and its state/local governments are installing cameras on every corner, deploying drones in the sky, and in general importing more and more military tactics back home to control the population.

That's not to say there aren't great things about the country, nor that the problems listed can't be improved upon to varying degrees. But perpetuation of the orgasmic "freedom" fantasy apparent in your post can only do harm to the extent that it inoculates people to the need for change and to the extent that it fosters utterly ridiculous beliefs like the notion that our center-right politicians are implementing anything remotely like socialism.

this is a good post with alot of truth. read ppl


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: JBGRAY on January 13, 2013, 08:54:33 PM
The United States certainly has its share of problems.

One problem that we do not have is that we do not let in hordes of uneducated African and Arab Islamic savages.  Perhaps the pussified white natives of the UK and rest of Western Europe will live in relative comfort of their dummha when they finally allow themselves to be outnumbered.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Voice of Doom on January 13, 2013, 10:07:20 PM
The problems of America come expressly because of the failure of politicians to follow the Constitution.  The Federal Reserve is unconstitutional, IRS is unconstitutional, FEMA is unconstitutional, Homeland Security is unconstitutional, NDAA is unconstitutional, income tax is unconstitutional, fiat currency is unconstitutional, a standing army s unconstitutional, SS is unconstitutional, corporate monopoly is unconstitutional, wars not authorized by Congress are unconstitutional, Federal overstep into rights reserved to the states is unconstitutional, EPA is unconstitutional, FDA is unconstitutional, CIA is unconstitutional, pre-emptive war is unconstitutional, warrantless wire-tapping is unconstitutional, stop and frisk laws are unconstitutional.

It's pretty simple when you break things down.



Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: mass243 on January 13, 2013, 11:01:14 PM
He's an idiot
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=454528.0;attach=500281;image)



Mad respect for the hard-working.

(http://i46.tinypic.com/2a78jo6.jpg)


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: mass243 on January 13, 2013, 11:47:28 PM
mass243
has anyone
bothered to point to
you the Russia
is 10.2 that is
2.5 times of the
United States


Maddy-son, guess how many times  ;D
Although there's no need... I can confidently say I know plenty of Russia.

The number of murders have been rapidly declining since re-establishment of law and order in the country.
Road is long but it will plummet to level of normal country.
Number of homicides is now lover than at any time since the end of USSR.

(http://i49.tinypic.com/14busux.jpg)


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Wiggs on January 14, 2013, 01:19:55 AM
Lotta redcoats in this thread >:(

Don't thread on me. >:(


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on January 14, 2013, 01:30:56 AM
The redcoats are coming for you, but they are American citizens this time.  One of them is the president.
Lotta redcoats in this thread >:(

Don't thread on me. >:(


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: slate on January 14, 2013, 04:45:24 PM
So  you're saying that the history of how the US came to be is "crazy".

I see.


come on brotha, are u full retard?
obviously i meant some guy from another country showing up at your door telling you a similar story of some white slave owners living in a backwater country having come together to write the greatest constitution in the world some 250 years ago, e.g a brazilian

like a great man once said: "use your fucking imagination"




Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: tu_holmes on January 14, 2013, 04:58:23 PM
come on brotha, are u full retard?
obviously i meant some guy from another country showing up at your door telling you a similar story of some white slave owners living in a backwater country having come together to write the greatest constitution in the world some 250 years ago, e.g a brazilian

like a great man once said: "use your fucking imagination"




I must be "full retard", because I don't understand the point you are trying to make.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 14, 2013, 05:13:26 PM
I must be "full retard", because I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

I read it three times....  I can't decode it... hahaha



Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: slate on January 14, 2013, 05:45:08 PM
I am not surprised tu and PIP -if they are different people- cant get this since you guys can get the  real important stuff

in any case as i am feeling lenient i will re-phrase my point,

however- and this is a crucial point- a big part of the problem of explaining my point to you is that i am arguing that people like you are so 'brainwashed' they cant even conceive of how naif your beliefs are. This of course is going to make it difficult for you to understand my point.

Stop here. Read what I wrote above a couple of times. and then keep reading

OK back on track

what i am trying very hard to do is to make a point by asking you to step outside your box while keeping you in familiar territory so that i dont loose you completely

Imagine a brazilian guy tells you that the constitution brazil approved when they became independent in the 1820s was this fabulous document . so good indeed that even after 200 years the whole thing cant be improved upon and must be followed to the letter. Imagine he then tells you heroic stories about the people that wrote said constitution and how they were extraordinary human beings- A golden golden generation- which they call; say the Independence saints.who despite the fact that they like anyone were products of their time, could write timeless laws, and were so fascinating that justifiably so thousands of books have been produced documenting the smallest aspects of their lives for whivh there is a never ending audience , like biographies of catholic saints

etc etc

How would you react to this guy's story? I suspect you would think: fuck me this guy is like a north korean or a friend of Tom's (yes Cruise- Scientology... capisce?) , who the fuck can believe that; look at brazil's history. look at history in general, things change so fast ,


do you get it now??????????????????????
 


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: tu_holmes on January 14, 2013, 06:56:05 PM
I am not surprised tu and PIP -if they are different people- cant get this since you guys can get the  real important stuff

in any case as i am feeling lenient i will re-phrase my point,

however- and this is a crucial point- a big part of the problem of explaining my point to you is that i am arguing that people like you are so 'brainwashed' they cant even conceive of how naif your beliefs are. This of course is going to make it difficult for you to understand my point.

Stop here. Read what I wrote above a couple of times. and then keep reading

OK back on track

what i am trying very hard to do is to make a point by asking you to step outside your box while keeping you in familiar territory so that i dont loose you completely

Imagine a brazilian guy tells you that the constitution brazil approved when they became independent in the 1820s was this fabulous document . so good indeed that even after 200 years the whole thing cant be improved upon and must be followed to the letter. Imagine he then tells you heroic stories about the people that wrote said constitution and how they were extraordinary human beings- A golden golden generation- which they call; say the Independence saints.who despite the fact that they like anyone were products of their time, could write timeless laws, and were so fascinating that justifiably so thousands of books have been produced documenting the smallest aspects of their lives for whivh there is a never ending audience , like biographies of catholic saints

etc etc

How would you react to this guy's story? I suspect you would think: fuck me this guy is like a north korean or a friend of Tom's (yes Cruise- Scientology... capisce?) , who the fuck can believe that; look at brazil's history. look at history in general, things change so fast ,


do you get it now??????????????????????
 
No... I would certainly not think that.

Mostly because our constitution HAS been changed... That's what amendments do... They change the constitution... There are however some t hings in the constitution that you do not fuck with... specifically when things are written in VERY specific ways.


PS... P-I-P and I are on no level the same person... For you to even entertain such a notion is ridiculous.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: garebear on January 14, 2013, 10:21:08 PM
"Look at me. I was born in this X country and not in Y country!"

Wow! What an accomplishment. You must have worked so hard to be born in X country. We're all super proud of your accomplishment.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 14, 2013, 10:24:30 PM
"Look at me. I was born in this X country and not in Y country!"

Wow! What an accomplishment. You must have worked so hard to be born in X country. We're all super proud of your accomplishment.

You're a product of your parents Garebear.  There actually is a good reason you are who you are, where you are, when you are.



Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: tu_holmes on January 14, 2013, 11:06:00 PM
You're a product of your parents Garebear.  There actually is a good reason you are who you are, where you are, when you are.



Not only that, but many of us feel FORTUNATE that we were born in the US... We certainly don't mind visiting other places, but I'm damn lucky to be a US citizen... To not have been born in the killing fields of Burma, or the slums of India, or the wretched areas of Africa.

Sure, we aren't special for being born here, but that doesn't mean we can't be grateful that we were.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: garebear on January 14, 2013, 11:19:47 PM
Not only that, but many of us feel FORTUNATE that we were born in the US... We certainly don't mind visiting other places, but I'm damn lucky to be a US citizen... To not have been born in the killing fields of Burma, or the slums of India, or the wretched areas of Africa.

Sure, we aren't special for being born here, but that doesn't mean we can't be grateful that we were.
Fair enough.

But a lot of Americans think it gives them the right to look down on other people.

I see it all the time.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 14, 2013, 11:23:59 PM
Fair enough.

But a lot of Americans think it gives them the right to look down on other people.

I see it all the time.

Why are you so sensitive to so called injustice, racism, sexism, homophobia, and general political incorrectness? ???

No offense, I'm sincerely curious?  Maybe we could learn something from you?


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: garebear on January 14, 2013, 11:34:27 PM
Why are you so sensitive to so called injustice, racism, sexism, homophobia, and general political incorrectness? ???

No offense, I'm sincerely curious?  Maybe we could learn something from you?
Actually I recently read an intriguing book that addresses just this question.

Here is a link to it. - http://www.amazon.com/The-Righteous-Mind-Politics-Religion/dp/0307377903

One major point of the book is that liberals will be more outraged over perceived injustice and conservatives will be more outraged over someone cheating the system/ getting a free ride.

A lot of other interesting points in there as well.

I guess your question essentially boils down to a nature vs. nurture question, however. My honest answer to that is that I have no idea, but the truth, as it usually does, probably lies somewhere in the middle.


Title: Re: Why is Britain the most violent country in the EU?
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 14, 2013, 11:36:04 PM
Actually I recently read an intriguing book that addresses just this question.

Here is a link to it. - http://www.amazon.com/The-Righteous-Mind-Politics-Religion/dp/0307377903

One major point of the book is that liberals will be more outraged over perceived injustice and conservatives will be more outraged over someone cheating the system/ getting a free ride.

A lot of other interesting points in there as well.

I guess your question essentially boils down to a nature vs. nurture question, however. My honest answer to that is that I have no idea, but the truth, as it usually does, probably lies somewhere in the middle.

Keep up the good work sir, I'm going to check out the book.  I appreciate it