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Title: How to get contest shredded for anyone - discussion
Post by: OTHstrong on January 12, 2013, 04:05:10 PM
SIMPLE- HOW TO GET CONTEST SHREDDED FOR ANYONE.

All these trainers and coaches make me sick acting like if it's some rocket science shit they are giving away, I have no problem with PT or coaches, they are good for motivation and guidance but where my problem lies is when they mislead their clients into thinking this shit is rocket science.

If you are on HRT or juice then listen up.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + low carbs (green veg allowed) and 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get anyone into single digits.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + No carbs (green veg and others allowed)+ 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get you to contest bodyfat levels.


Forget the calorie counting Bull Shit, forget the complicated dietary metabolism Bull Shit, forget the rocket science, all garbage, don't spend money on some expert trying to act like it is Calculus or physics. What I wrote above will get ANYONE from point A to point B (contest shape) period.




THE LIST


OK, here are your protein sources;

Egg whites
Chicken breast
lean Turkey
Cod
Haddock
Salmon
Tuna
Talipia
Shrimp
Liver
Protein shake ( find one with less then 4 grams of carbs per serving)

Now the following protein sources are kept to once a day;

Lean steak
Lean ground beef
Lean roast beef
Veal

In general I do not consider certain vegetable source to be carbs, cause your metabolism process them without any storage of fat, in other words the calories do not convert to fat

Here are your vegetable source;

Asparagus
Broccoli/purple sprouting broccoli
Cabbage
Cucumber
Onion
Spinach
Romaine lettuce
Tomatoes
Green Peppers

 Now the following vegetables should be kept to a minimum;

Celery
Carrots
Mushrooms
Peas

Dietary fats can come from flax oil or a supplement, I do not recommend they come from nuts or sees. From experience it is very easy to go crazy eating from nuts and seeds and can sabotage your diet.

Diet drinks are allowed, they have zero calories anyway.


Keep your veg. to one serving per meal.








ECA to fuel workouts on no carbs

12 weeks maximum use only


The way ECA works is it gives you more energy on less carbs, so say you take 32mg of ephedrine and you have ate 300 grams of carbs, the energy you get from the ECA will NOT be that great, if you ate 200 grams of carbs then the additional energy you get from it ECA will be more, and if you ate 100 grams it will be more yet. On 0 carbs the energy increase is the greatest on ECA. It is almost as if the carbs diminish it's potency.

So it is amazing on a no carb diet. But the problem is people do not know how to use ECA in a maximum beneficial manner so they do not get proper results. First mistake is they take it daily and periodically, huge mistake, your receptors get used to the stimulants fast so before you know it you have to keep upping the dose to achieve the same levels of energy it produces.

This is how I use it, only on training days and prior to a workout to start off with, I will take 32mg of ephedrine, 200mg caffeine, and 80mg aspirin 20 minutes before a workout and I am on a no carb diet and the energy from the ECA is NO different from that of having eaten tons of carbs, I swear absolutely no different in energy levels at all, still cranking 400 on the bench for reps no problem.

By only using it when I need it I will not tap out my receptors that quickly and at around the 3 week mark I will take 48mg of ephedrine instead of 32 cause by this point I will need more to achieve the same results.

at the 5 week mark I am up 64 mg at one time and 300mg of caffeine, the aspirin always stays at 80mg cause the body does not adapt to aspirin ( at least not noticeably). Now every 4 workouts I up the ephedrine by 8mg and when I get to the 96mg of ephedrine I add another 100 mg of caffeine. Remember up to this point your primary reason to have used ECA is as a stimulant for your workout and of course there are other secondary benefits as well.

At week six I take 8mg of ephedrine when I wake up and 8mg at launch, at week 7 I take 16mg of ephedrine when I wake up and 16mg at launch, at week 8 I take 24mg of ephedrine when I wake up and so on and so on. Now the primary reason for the ECA in the morning and at launch is for fat burning and to suppress appetite, while your pre-workout ECA still remains as a stimulant.



Incorporating clen on a no carb diet

TWO ways to do this, one requires you change your diet every two weeks and the other allows you to keep the same diet, however, your ECA protocol has to be changed.

Protocol one; Ok you are running on zero carbs so ECA is a must, and NO CARB diet has to include a stimulant such as ECA no matter what so since ECA and Clen together is rather hard on your heart, so I propose you take clen for 2 weeks and then ECA for 2 weeks, Clen for 2 weeks and then ECA for 2 weeks etc.

The 2 weeks you are on clen you will not have ECA to fuel your workout so you must take in carb pre-workout, but we are talking 100-150 grams of carbs daily. So your diet will be a no carb diet for 2 weeks (ECA) then a low carb diet for 2 weeks (Clen) etc. Plain and simple.


Protocol two; This one is a little harder so DO NOT do it if you are feeling to much anxiety, BE CAREFUL.

As mentioned earlier in the thread that on a NO CARB diet one must take ECA for 2 different reasons- reason #1 to stimulate your workout and reason #2- to stimulate fat burning and appetite suppressant.

 Once you start taking Clen drop reason #2, I repeat drop taking ECA multiple times per day as a fat burner and an appetite suppressant. Now the reason is your fat burning will come from Clen and it is already doing a good job so ECA for fat burning is NOT necessary, also there are NO synergistic affect anyway. Now you still need to take ECA as a stimulant pre-workout, this is a must to fuel your workout. At this point nothing changes in your diet, still a no carb diet with Clen as your main source of fat-lose tool and ECA as your main source of stimulant to duel your workout.

CONCLUSION; Do not ask me which one is better, it is not anyones call but yours, this could be hard on your system so make sure you dot all i's and cross all your t's before you make a mistake that can hurt you.

Now as far as dosage, again Clen reactions vary from person to person so I do not know what would be to much or to little for anyone, but I will say this though; start at 20mcg and work your way up, add a little every 2 days until you reach what you like. If you do protocol 2 since you are on ECA as well I would not recommend you ever cross 100 mcg daily and that is a lot. Most people stick to 40-60.




ADDRESSING THE CHEAT/CARB DAY[/[/i][/u]
If you are on low carbs no need for this


On a no carb diet most people use the weekly approach for a carb up day. I do not use this approach.

What I do is simple, I pick intervals in body weight throughtout the course of my journey and once every interval is met I have a cheat day.

Here is an example; start the diet at 250lb and I end up at 205lb so I pick all my cheat days in advance like this;

244 lb
239 lb
234 lb
229 lb
225 lb
221 lb
217 lb
214 lb
211 lb
208 lb
205 lb

Every time I hit my next weight goal I have a carb up day. The carb up day is 300-350 grams of carbs and it does not matter if the carbs are from complex sources or simple sources cause you are way depleted anyway, you will burn it all regardless.

Now notice how the first interval is 6lb and the last one is only 3 lb, well that is because at the beginning you lose lots of weight fast and then as you approach less bodyfat your weight lost slow down. weigh yourself on empty stomach first thing in the morning


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 12, 2013, 04:06:54 PM
SIMPLE- HOW TO GET CONTEST SHREDDED FOR ANYONE.

All these trainers and coaches make me sick acting like if it's some rocket science shit they are giving away, I have no problem with PT or coaches, they are good for motivation and guidance but where my problem lies is when they mislead their clients into thinking this shit is rocket science.

If you are on HRT or juice then listen up.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + low carbs (green veg allowed) and 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get anyone into single digits.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + No carbs (green veg allowed)+ 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get you to contest bodyfat levels.


Forget the calorie counting Bull Shit, forget the complicated dietary metabolism Bull Shit, forget the rocket science, all garbage, don't spend money on some expert trying to act like it is Calculus or physics. What I wrote above will get ANYONE from point A to point B (contest shape) period.

I will elaborate on a list of foods you can eat in part 2


Thank you!

I feel horrible for the fat fuckers I see everyday that are being misled by personal trainers.

These fat people would be so much better off if they would just limit themselves to 1500 calories per day.  Trying to eat six small meals, and all that garbage is just too much for them.



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Wiggs on January 12, 2013, 04:11:19 PM
SIMPLE- HOW TO GET CONTEST SHREDDED FOR ANYONE.

All these trainers and coaches make me sick acting like if it's some rocket science shit they are giving away, I have no problem with PT or coaches, they are good for motivation and guidance but where my problem lies is when they mislead their clients into thinking this shit is rocket science.

If you are on HRT or juice then listen up.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + low carbs (green veg allowed) and 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get anyone into single digits.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + No carbs (green veg allowed)+ 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get you to contest bodyfat levels.


Forget the calorie counting Bull Shit, forget the complicated dietary metabolism Bull Shit, forget the rocket science, all garbage, don't spend money on some expert trying to act like it is Calculus or physics. What I wrote above will get ANYONE from point A to point B (contest shape) period.

I will elaborate on a list of foods you can eat in part 2


While you're correct. I believe when you get to National level and IFBB level it does indeed become a science and needs to be broken down the way BFG breaks it down in his posts.

BTW, carb cycling would be more ideal than no carbs. You'll already have low energy from dieting why make it worse the whole diet. Carbs keep you full and strong. It all depends where you're starting of course, if you're a fatass, yes, you'll have to suffer. If not, you can diet with carbs. It's been happening for over 30 years and still today.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: cephissus on January 12, 2013, 04:12:42 PM
could you give a detailed example of a meal plan for one day?

or just a bunch of examples of meals?  i never understood how people eat without carbs.  i can look at a list of foods all day, but how do you put it together into something edible?  i can't imagine just stuffing my face with flavorless meat over and over all day.

i'm thinking about trying something like this, since I would like to be a bit leaner, especially as i get older.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 12, 2013, 04:28:22 PM
While you're correct. I believe when you get to National level and IFBB level it does indeed become a science and needs to be broken down the way BFG breaks it down in his posts.

BTW, carb cycling would be more ideal than no carbs. You'll already have low energy from dieting why make it worse the whole diet. Carbs keep you full and strong. It all depends where you're starting of course, if you're a fatass, yes, you'll have to suffer. If not, you can diet with carbs. It's been happening for over 30 years and still today.
The programs involved at the pro level are due to hormones, combinations of hormones but most importantly bringing gh and insulin into the picture makes it a bit more complicated but if you do not do gh or insulin, no need AT ALL to make it more complicated then what I wrote above.

As for carb cycling, well that is a watered down version of what I wrote. What I wrote is the fastest and most efficient way humanly possible, there is simply no such a thing as a faster way to get to contest shape while maintaining all your muscle, sorry but there just is NOT.

Energy is not a problem on no carbs, I aim for a certain feeling and use Caffeine and ephedrine to obtain this feeling and if it gets bad I simply use more until I am fully energized for the gym, never have less energy this way. Still 8 weeks into no carbs can still preacher curl 205 for reps and deadlift 500 for 10 no problem.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 12, 2013, 04:29:13 PM
could you give a detailed example of a meal plan for one day?

or just a bunch of examples of meals?  i never understood how people eat without carbs.  i can look at a list of foods all day, but how do you put it together into something edible?  i can't imagine just stuffing my face with flavorless meat over and over all day.

i'm thinking about trying something like this, since I would like to be a bit leaner, especially as i get older.
Will write a list and some meals in a couple days, part 2  8)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Van_Bilderass on January 12, 2013, 04:40:44 PM
While you're correct. I believe when you get to National level and IFBB level it does indeed become a science and needs to be broken down the way BFG breaks it down in his posts.

More like voodoo than science. They obviously do enough things right to look like they do
but it has little to do with science.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: cephissus on January 12, 2013, 04:42:46 PM
Will write a list and some meals in a couple days, part 2  8)

Thanks, I'll hold you to it!


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 12, 2013, 04:45:43 PM
Thanks, I'll hold you to it!
;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 12, 2013, 04:51:32 PM
Quote
Unlimited foods from "protein only sources"
So if I eat 15,000 calories of protein a day I will get ripped?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Marty Champions on January 12, 2013, 04:54:19 PM
thats bullshit i remember eating 400 grams of protien and nothing else, i made it as high as 900 grams of protien and nothing else, it didnt do shit


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: HTexan on January 12, 2013, 04:56:02 PM
I got an simpler one. Stop eating so much.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 12, 2013, 05:00:01 PM
So if I eat 15,000 calories of protein a day I will get ripped?
I have been around bro, been getting people to contest shape forever and many have challenged this and they come back and say, "you know your right after 3lb of chicken breast I was ready to throw up. Your body can not and will not allow this much.

What happens if you eat to much protein you will have the runs. Think about it, 3 pounds of chicken breast is a measly 1300 calories. Eat 5 lb and it will not be absorbed, will come out the other end, it is impossible to over eat in calories on protein only.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 12, 2013, 05:01:10 PM
thats bullshit i remember eating 400 grams of protien and nothing else, i made it as high as 900 grams of protien and nothing else, it didnt do shit
??? it didn't do what? exactly? don't understand your statement, please elaborate


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: cephissus on January 12, 2013, 05:08:43 PM
can you eat like this year round?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 12, 2013, 05:14:11 PM
can you eat like this year round?
You don't need to cause you will be shredded in no time, I drop 50lb in 10 weeks and end up contest shredded. The beauty of this is there is no such a thing as a plateau, you will simply keep losing fat every single day until there is no fat left.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 12, 2013, 05:18:37 PM
Quote
What happens if you eat to much protein you will have the runs.
I would have thought constipation.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Wiggs on January 12, 2013, 05:21:07 PM
While your correct. If there's no rush. It's better to have balance and have a mixture of protein, complex carbs and "good" fats. I would be hungry all the time with all that protein.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: cephissus on January 12, 2013, 05:23:05 PM
You don't need to cause you will be shredded in no time, I drop 50lb in 10 weeks and end up contest shredded. The beauty of this is there is no such a thing as a plateau, you will simply keep losing fat every single day until there is no fat left.

right now i'm pretty lean maybe 10%+, say i want to get down to 8% with your diet.  can i do that and just stay there?  i have all the size i'm ever going to have (not much) so might as well be as lean as possible.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 12, 2013, 05:24:22 PM
I used to diet on moderate carbs/protein and low fats and it worked for me, last year I dieted on this new high protein regime and lost a load of muscle and was fucked and hypo all the time.

Not for me.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: arce1988 on January 12, 2013, 05:26:48 PM
 OTH is right     I can eat all of the steak chicken and fish until I explode   and I still get ripped     start adding in those carbs and every thing will turn to shit


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 12, 2013, 05:30:02 PM
I would have thought constipation.
Protein only gives you rock hard shits but your body has a limited amounts of digestive enzymes which pulls all the calories out of the foods and and your stomach process it and what is not processed in your stomach is then processed in either your intestinal walls or your liver.

 When the digestive enzymes are insufficient from to much protein intake there will be a surplus of protein that will not be broken down digestively so will just be rejected by your digestive system and processed in the form of diarrhea where the majority of the calories will not even be absorbed.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 12, 2013, 05:30:30 PM
OTH is right     I can eat all of the steak chicken and fish until I explode   and I still get ripped     start adding in those carbs and every thing will turn to shit

This, Carbs will fuck you up and make you an estrogen bomb


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: outby43 on January 12, 2013, 05:31:45 PM
OTH is right     I can eat all of the steak chicken and fish until I explode   and I still get ripped     start adding in those carbs and every thing will turn to shit

x2  (bad)Carbs fuck me up but they are like a drug to me.  When my feet start getting numb I quit them for a while.. ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: arce1988 on January 12, 2013, 05:32:35 PM
  Just the way it is


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Conker on January 12, 2013, 05:33:19 PM
I have been around bro, been getting people to contest shape forever and many have challenged this and they come back and say, "you know your right after 3lb of chicken breast I was ready to throw up. Your body can not and will not allow this much.

What happens if you eat to much protein you will have the runs. Think about it, 3 pounds of chicken breast is a measly 1300 calories. Eat 5 lb and it will not be absorbed, will come out the other end, it is impossible to over eat in calories on protein only.

Very much agree with this, there is obviously more than one way to skin a cat, but I think there will be very few people that could eat enough clean protein a day that would stop them losing weight.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: outby43 on January 12, 2013, 05:35:42 PM
This, Carbs will fuck you up and make you an estrogen bomb

 ;D awesome


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 12, 2013, 05:39:16 PM
right now i'm pretty lean maybe 10%+, say i want to get down to 8% with your diet.  can i do that and just stay there?  i have all the size i'm ever going to have (not much) so might as well be as lean as possible.
Drop the carbs till you get to your desired bodyfat levels then slowly add carbs until you feel a balance of carbs that will keep you at those levels of bodyfat.

For example,

 say you went from 10% to 7% in 3 weeks on no carbs (might only take 2 weeks) then add 50 grams of carbs day 1, then add another 50 day 2, then another 50 day 3 etc.. until you start to blur out, once you noticed this slight blur then cut the last 50 grams you added on and that should do the trick, maybe 150 grams will maintain you at 7-8%, some would need more or some would need less.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 12, 2013, 05:41:03 PM
OTH is right     I can eat all of the steak chicken and fish until I explode   and I still get ripped     start adding in those carbs and every thing will turn to shit
8) someone understand  ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: arce1988 on January 12, 2013, 05:42:17 PM
  That is how to add and keep the carbs, OTH

  great thread


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: cephissus on January 12, 2013, 10:55:47 PM
Groink, arce, anyone else who agrees... what do you actually eat?

I eat lots of bread, rice, pasta, drink milk, etc. what am I going to replace all this with?  Just meat, meat and more meat? What else has little or no carbs?

I remember simplyhuge posted his diet once... looked awful, just tupperwares full of meatslabs...  :-X

How do you prepare and flavor your meals?  Doesn't it take a long time to cook so much meat?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: The True Adonis on January 12, 2013, 11:34:14 PM
SIMPLE- HOW TO GET CONTEST SHREDDED FOR ANYONE.

All these trainers and coaches make me sick acting like if it's some rocket science shit they are giving away, I have no problem with PT or coaches, they are good for motivation and guidance but where my problem lies is when they mislead their clients into thinking this shit is rocket science.

If you are on HRT or juice then listen up.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + low carbs (green veg allowed) and 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get anyone into single digits.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + No carbs (green veg allowed)+ 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get you to contest bodyfat levels.


Forget the calorie counting Bull Shit, forget the complicated dietary metabolism Bull Shit, forget the rocket science, all garbage, don't spend money on some expert trying to act like it is Calculus or physics. What I wrote above will get ANYONE from point A to point B (contest shape) period.

I will elaborate on a list of foods you can eat in part 2

So I can eat 10,000 calories of Steak and Eggs every day with Carrots and be ripped.  This is good news.  :o  :o  :o


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: The True Adonis on January 12, 2013, 11:37:04 PM
This whole thread is hilarious and full of stupidity.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: BikiniSlut on January 12, 2013, 11:45:09 PM
What the original poster is forgetting to tell us is that his two "amazing" plans can be VERY difficult for some to do. It's hard to feel satiety.

I can also lose 50 pounds in ten weeks by throwing up after every meal.  ::) Not all that comfortable but it works and I can get shredded.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 12, 2013, 11:55:16 PM
Not all that comfortable but it works and I can get shredded.

lol


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: arce1988 on January 13, 2013, 12:08:09 AM
  I just eat steak chicken and fish   with clean water    easy to get ripped this way once you get to the point where you eat just to live    no fun in it      bland life   but you look great 


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: BikiniSlut on January 13, 2013, 12:19:41 AM
  I just eat steak chicken and fish  with clean water    easy to get ripped this way once you get to the point where you eat just to live    no fun in it      bland life   but you look great 

Lol....as opposed to what? Sewer water?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 13, 2013, 12:21:18 AM
Lol....as opposed to what? Sewer water?

ahhh fuck haha!!


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: arce1988 on January 13, 2013, 12:40:58 AM
  You know BS (B Slut)      good water    fiji


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 13, 2013, 12:42:50 AM
  You know BS       good water    fiji

I use to only drink distilled, now I'm drinking that brita filtered water.  The good filter that gets medication, pesticides, and all that stuff.

Is there really a difference in Fiji, and Evian? 


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: arce1988 on January 13, 2013, 12:43:56 AM
  I just like the taste of Fiji


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 13, 2013, 12:44:30 AM
  I just like the taste of Fiji

I do to, but I don't know why.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: arce1988 on January 13, 2013, 12:45:32 AM
  I really like it    it seems to me that it tastes clean and feels clean    just in my mind?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: outby43 on January 13, 2013, 12:46:04 AM
  I just like the taste of Fiji

clean water isn't supposed to have a taste


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 13, 2013, 12:47:10 AM
clean water isn't supposed to have a taste

It does taste good, unless the expensiveness just makes us think it's good?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: arce1988 on January 13, 2013, 12:48:03 AM
  I know   to ME, I do NOT like the taste in my mouth from the others like Dasani, etc.,    Fiji feels clean and good


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: arce1988 on January 13, 2013, 12:48:51 AM
Psychosomatic?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: WillGrant on January 13, 2013, 12:50:48 AM
Psychosomatic?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmin5WkOuPw


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 01:00:33 AM
What the original poster is forgetting to tell us is that his two "amazing" plans can be VERY difficult for some to do. It's hard to feel satiety.

I can also lose 50 pounds in ten weeks by throwing up after every meal.  ::) Not all that comfortable but it works and I can get shredded.
WHAT  ???

Cry me a fucken river, nothing in life is easy, you want results, man the fuck up and pay for them. You ain't getting contest lean without discomfort that's for damn sure.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 01:01:21 AM
So I can eat 10,000 calories of Steak and Eggs every day with Carrots and be ripped.  This is good news.  :o  :o  :o
Already addressed this on page one, pay attention.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: BikiniSlut on January 13, 2013, 01:02:28 AM
Psychosomatic?

No. I feel the same way about aquafina.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: hangclean on January 13, 2013, 01:09:32 AM
I looked much better and actually got more shredded when dieting with carbs.  I would only use this diet if i was behind in my prep.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 01:13:29 AM
ECA to fuel workouts on no carbs

12 weeks maximum use only


The way ECA works is it gives you more energy on less carbs, so say you take 32mg of ephedrine and you have ate 300 grams of carbs, the energy you get from the ECA will NOT be that great, if you ate 200 grams of carbs then the additional energy you get from it ECA will be more, and if you ate 100 grams it will be more yet. On 0 carbs the energy increase is the greatest on ECA. It is almost as if the carbs diminish it's potency.

So it is amazing on a no carb diet. But the problem is people do not know how to use ECA in a maximum beneficial manner so they do not get proper results. First mistake is they take it daily and periodically, huge mistake, your receptors get used to the stimulants fast so before you know it you have to keep upping the dose to achieve the same levels of energy it produces.

This is how I use it, only on training days and prior to a workout to start off with, I will take 32mg of ephedrine, 200mg caffeine, and 80mg aspirin 20 minutes before a workout and I am on a no carb diet and the energy from the ECA is NO different from that of having eaten tons of carbs, I swear absolutely no different in energy levels at all, still cranking 400 on the bench for reps no problem.

By only using it when I need it I will not tap out my receptors that quickly and at around the 3 week mark I will take 48mg of ephedrine instead of 32 cause by this point I will need more to achieve the same results.

at the 5 week mark I am up 64 mg at one time and 300mg of caffeine, the aspirin always stays at 80mg cause the body does not adapt to aspirin ( at least not noticeably). Now every 4 workouts I up the ephedrine by 8mg and when I get to the 96mg of ephedrine I add another 100 mg of caffeine. Remember up to this point your primary reason to have used ECA is as a stimulant for your workout and of course there are other secondary benefits as well.

At week six I take 8mg of ephedrine when I wake up and 8mg at launch, at week 7 I take 16mg of ephedrine when I wake up and 16mg at launch, at week 8 I take 24mg of ephedrine when I wake up and so on and so on. Now the primary reason for the ECA in the morning and at launch is for fat burning and to suppress appetite, while your pre-workout ECA still remains as a stimulant.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: outby43 on January 13, 2013, 01:45:22 AM
Those are some odd mg amounts.  All I have ever used is 25/50/75/100mg doses.  How do you divide it out like that?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 01:51:17 AM
Those are some odd mg amounts.  All I have ever used is 25/50/75/100mg doses.  How do you divide it out like that?
Since ephedrine has been band in most places due to legal issues, it can only be sold in 8mg pills as a nasal decongestant by law, at least here in Canada. 8mg are better anyway as they allow for easier use.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: The True Adonis on January 13, 2013, 01:53:43 AM
Already addressed this on page one, pay attention.
???

Can I or can I not eat 10,000 calories daily of Protein and not get fat?  Its a yes or no question.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: BikiniSlut on January 13, 2013, 01:58:38 AM
???

Can I or can I not eat 10,000 calories daily of Protein and not get fat?  Its a yes or no question.

Lolz at TA exposing the stupidity behind this thread.

But yet it's an enjoyable thread nonetheless.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 02:04:05 AM
???

Can I or can I not eat 10,000 calories daily of Protein and not get fat?  Its a yes or no question.
If you want to be fucken fool, go right ahead.  Why should I address a retard? The body has a limit on how much protein it can process, the limited amount of digestive enzymes will not allow to eat that amount. So your question is not a valid question.

Here is a question for you, do you think protein can turn into fat?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 02:05:30 AM
Lolz at TA exposing the stupidity behind this thread.

But yet it's an enjoyable thread nonetheless.
TA has never been as shredded as I have and neither have you so good luck with your ignorant comments, BTW did you get my comment to your previous post?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 13, 2013, 02:07:05 AM
4am nutrition battle

lets get ready to rumble


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 02:09:34 AM
Quote
Here is a question for you, do you think protein can turn into fat?
Its excess calories that turn into fat, it doesn't matter if its carbs protein or fats.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dj181 on January 13, 2013, 02:25:10 AM
thats bullshit i remember eating 400 grams of protien and nothing else, i made it as high as 900 grams of protien and nothing else, it didnt do shit

agreed.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 02:27:16 AM
Its excess calories that turn into fat, it doesn't matter if its carbs protein or fats.
I don't believe that, you can if you want, I know 99% of people believe that but I certainly do not.

Let's be practical here. 3 lb of chicken breast is 1300 calories, I really do not recommand you eat more protein then this, but in the few cases I have seen where people do eat more protein then this like myself there is no difference in the pace I lose fat at. I eat up to 5 lb of chicken breast daily leading up to contest shape and drop fat at 4lb per week and I have tried to eat protein from morning to night daily in enormous amounts and still drop fat incredibly fast. Without the carbs the fat is coming off regardless of the amount of "protein only" you try to eat because your body simply can not eat enormous amounts of protein daily, not caloric wise.

5 pounds of chicken breast 2200 calories

150 boiled egg whites 2200 calories

You can eat more protein daily then this^^^? WOW you guys are truly amazing,  Come on now gentleman stop playing stupid here.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 02:54:40 AM
Protein and carbs have around 4 calories per gram, fat has 9.
Excess calories cause you to get fat, to lose fat you must increase calorie expenditure , so reducing fat is the sensible option as you can eat twice as much food and still lose fat.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Conker on January 13, 2013, 03:10:59 AM
I looked much better and actually got more shredded when dieting with carbs.  I would only use this diet if i was behind in my prep.

I don't think the OP is trying to say what he is suggesting is the only way to achieve goals set out, but is a foolproof, simple way without having to bother with any fancy, complex diets or counting calories.

I definitely agree , I have probably never been below 10% since a teen, but when I have tried what he is suggesting I have dropped BF quick but have stopped at 10%.
TBH I reckon a lot of people could possibly even add one unlimited clean carb source, like maybe brown rice or oats, and still lose BF pretty quickly unless already very lean, as I have found it is pretty difficult to consume enough food from totally clean sources per day to not drop BF.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 03:25:42 AM
the reason the ops diet will work isn't anything to do with protein or carbs, he says himself you cant eat enough protein in the amounts to not lose weight, so its the reduction in calories that causes the weight loss, so as long as you are in a calorie deficit you will lose weight.
Just eating protein may be fine if you don't have a normal life, some people need to drive cars and work and not be fearful of slipping into a hypoglycaemic state.

To eliminate carbs completely is moronic to say the least.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: outby43 on January 13, 2013, 03:32:15 AM
Since ephedrine has been band in most places due to legal issues, it can only be sold in 8mg pills as a nasal decongestant by law, at least here in Canada. 8mg are better anyway as they allow for easier use.

wow that sucks.  in the US it's still available with the 25mg dosage.  For now anyway.  ::)

You are spot on with the protein and it has been proven over and over.  Not sure why TA and others are being stubborn. 

No Carbs = automatic Calorie reduction (provided it is lean sources).  I have done it many times.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 03:39:15 AM
wow that sucks.  in the US it's still available with the 25mg dosage.  For now anyway.  ::)

You are spot on with the protein and it has been proven over and over.  Not sure why TA and others are being stubborn. 

No Carbs = automatic Calorie reduction (provided it is lean sources).  I have done it many times.
Ya it's suck but 8mg does the trick.

, you know TA and BS are just playing devils advocate, not sure why they would call the thread stupid when the results are striated glutes, oh well, just 2 idiots that's all :P ,... lol :)

See the 2 ding dongs are taking the term ''unlimited protein'' to extreme measures, when in reality no one will consume more the 5 pounds of chicken breast daily which only adds up to 2200 calories or no one will consume more the 150 boiled egg whites daily which also only adds up to 2200 calories.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Conker on January 13, 2013, 03:39:28 AM
the reason the ops diet will work isn't anything to do with protein or carbs, he says himself you cant eat enough protein in the amounts to not lose weight, so its the reduction in calories that causes the weight loss, so as long as you are in a calorie deficit you will lose weight.
Just eating protein may be fine if you don't have a normal life, some people need to drive cars and work and not be fearful of slipping into a hypoglycaemic state.

To eliminate carbs completely is moronic to say the least.

Well I've been down to 40 or 50 g carbs per day and never suffered from hypoglycaemia never even seemed to suffer from lack of energy TBH, and I know plenty of people who have been on full keto(zero carb) diets  and have never heard them complain of hypoglycaemia. I think the mainstream have conditioned us to believe that we need to consume carbs or our bodies will grind to a halt, in practice it's not the case.



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 03:43:28 AM
Quote
No Carbs = automatic Calorie reduction (provided it is lean sources).  I have done it many times.
Reduction in calories = automatic calorie reduction.

 ::)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 03:44:06 AM
the reason the ops diet will work isn't anything to do with protein or carbs, he says himself you cant eat enough protein in the amounts to not lose weight, so its the reduction in calories that causes the weight loss, so as long as you are in a calorie deficit you will lose weight.
Just eating protein may be fine if you don't have a normal life, some people need to drive cars and work and not be fearful of slipping into a hypoglycaemic state.

To eliminate carbs completely is moronic to say the least.
Look bro don't be stupid I put for single digits low carbs, that is for your average joe. Now for contest shreddedness I said no carbs  so cut the BS about having a normal life, WTF, I will write what I wrote to bikinslut... with all due respect bro....

WHAT 

Cry me a fucken river, nothing in life is easy, you want results, man the fuck up and pay for them. You ain't getting contest lean without discomfort that's for damn sure.

OH BTW so moronic eh..... have you ever been this lean?




Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 03:45:22 AM
Quote
you know TA and BS are just playing devils advocate, not sure why they would call the thread stupid when the results are striated glutes, oh well, just 2 idiots that's all
are you saying you cant get striated glutes eating moderate protein and carbs?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 03:50:01 AM
are you saying you cant get striated glutes eating moderate protein and carbs?
Like Conker said bro, pay attention- there are many ways to skin a cat, but this is a for sure, straight forward and by far the most efficient way, but most importantly does not require no voodoo mambo jumbo rocket science Bullshit and works for anyone.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: lilhawk1 on January 13, 2013, 03:51:47 AM
No carbs is absolutely not needed to get in contest shape.  I know plenty of people, including myself that have done so time and time again while eating plenty of carbs.  I also know plenty of people, actually almost all of them that try and contest diet with low carbs or no carbs and are small, flat, and still holding onto fat come contest day.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: The True Adonis on January 13, 2013, 03:56:54 AM
If you want to be fucken fool, go right ahead.  Why should I address a retard? The body has a limit on how much protein it can process, the limited amount of digestive enzymes will not allow to eat that amount. So your question is not a valid question.

Here is a question for you, do you think protein can turn into fat?
So I can eat 10,000 calories a day in Protein and become shredded?  ???  Is this what you are saying?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 03:58:22 AM
No carbs is absolutely not needed to get in contest shape.  I know plenty of people, including myself that have done so time and time again while eating plenty of carbs.  I also know plenty of people, actually almost all of them that try and contest diet with low carbs or no carbs and are small, flat, and still holding onto fat come contest day.
Of course, cause they don't go far enough obviously. You can be flat for the entire 12 weeks leading to a contest and a few carb meals will blow you the fuck up.

Here is a pic 10 weeks no carbs and brought a few hundred grams of carbs and muscles balloon beyond belief, you don't go no carbs till the day of the show, duh... obviously you carb load for 3 days


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 04:00:21 AM
Quote
OH BTW so moronic eh..... have you ever been this lean?

Yes of course.
And thats the best you have ever looked?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 04:01:46 AM
Quote
I also know plenty of people, actually almost all of them that try and contest diet with low carbs or no carbs and are small, flat, and still holding onto fat come contest day.
This.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 04:02:31 AM
So I can eat 10,000 calories a day in Protein and become shredded?  ???  Is this what you are saying?
No stupid, I am saying you can eat as much protein out of protein only foods as your body will allow you too and still get peeled because it won't be that much (caloric wise) anyways. Fuck you are one stupid kid.

Look; 5 pounds of chicken breast = 2200 calories

         150 hard boiled egg whites = 2200 calories

 :-*


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 04:04:44 AM
Yes of course.
And thats the best you have ever looked?

NOPE



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 04:06:06 AM
So if I eat 1500 calories of protein and 800 calories of carbs and 200 calories of fat I will get shredded glutes if my BMR is 3000 cals?

PS thats a reduction of 500 cals pet day equating to 3,500 cals per week. = lb of fat per week lost.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 04:07:36 AM
TBH mate I think you blow your own trumpet a bit too loud, those pics although good do not show fantastic condition.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: The True Adonis on January 13, 2013, 04:09:54 AM
Look bro don't be stupid I put for single digits low carbs, that is for your average joe. Now for contest shreddedness I said no carbs  so cut the BS about having a normal life, WTF, I will write what I wrote to bikinslut... with all due respect bro....

WHAT  

Cry me a fucken river, nothing in life is easy, you want results, man the fuck up and pay for them. You ain't getting contest lean without discomfort that's for damn sure.

OH BTW so moronic eh..... have you ever been this lean?



::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=329841.0;attach=373712;image)


(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=454675.0;attach=500130;image)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 04:12:39 AM
So if I eat 1500 calories of protein and 800 calories of carbs and 200 calories of fat I will get shredded glutes if my BMR is 3000 cals?

PS thats a reduction of 500 cals pet day equating to 3,500 cals per week. = lb of fat per week lost.
See how complicated you make it sound, why? more mambo jumbo rocket science.

TBH mate I think you blow your own trumpet a bit too loud, those pics although good do not show fantastic condition.
I admit, did not nail my best condition there as a heavyweight. My best condition ever was at 184lb, 6 years ago where I measure 3 % bodyfat with calipers.



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Conker on January 13, 2013, 04:14:15 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=454675.0;attach=500128;image)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=329841.0;attach=373712;image)




TBF you do look pretty decent TA but OTH on these pics is far bigger and much leaner, different league TBH


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 04:14:26 AM
Quote
See how complicated you make it sound, why? more mambo jumbo rocket science.
Complicated????
Fuckin lol.........how the fuck do you manage to put your shoes on the right feet in the morning?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: The True Adonis on January 13, 2013, 04:15:32 AM
No stupid, I am saying you can eat as much protein out of protein only foods as your body will allow you too and still get peeled because it won't be that much (caloric wise) anyways. Fuck you are one stupid kid.

Look; 5 pounds of chicken breast = 2200 calories

         150 hard boiled egg whites = 2200 calories

 :-*
Can I eat 10,000 calories of Chicken Breast or Egg Whites and get shredded?



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: The True Adonis on January 13, 2013, 04:16:14 AM
[imghttp://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=454675.0;attach=500128;image]http://[/img]

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=329841.0;attach=373712;image)




TBF you do look pretty decent TA but OTH on these pics is far bigger and much leaner, different league TBH
He uses drugs, I have never in my life.  Also, he is not much leaner at all in the upper body.



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 04:16:46 AM
[imghttp://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=454675.0;attach=500128;image]http://[/img]

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=329841.0;attach=373712;image)




TBF you do look pretty decent TA but OTH on these pics is far bigger and much leaner, different league TBH
Actually TA looks pretty good, lol, although he is holding his breath so hard it looks like his head is going to pop off  ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Conker on January 13, 2013, 04:17:28 AM
He uses drugs, I have never in my life.  Also, he is not much leaner at all in the upper body.

He is way leaner, look above, I posted the pics together now.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 04:18:11 AM
Can I eat 10,000 calories of Chicken Breast or Egg Whites and get shredded?


You can eat 700 egg whites bro?  :o :o :o


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: The True Adonis on January 13, 2013, 04:18:31 AM
He is way leaner, look above, I posted the pics together now.
No he isn`t.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=454675.0;attach=500130;image)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: The True Adonis on January 13, 2013, 04:19:46 AM
You can eat 700 egg whites bro?  :o :o :o
Put in a food Processor and ground to a liquid consistency, easily.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Conker on January 13, 2013, 04:21:53 AM
No he isn`t.



LOL you are posting the pics where his upper body is obscured and you have a top on! Look at the pics I posted they are the best comparison, and you can see the difference in hardness as he is a lot leaner.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 04:24:13 AM
conker
The photos you used show TA has more chest definition than OTH.

Not the best choice to try and prove your point.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: The True Adonis on January 13, 2013, 04:24:50 AM

LOL you are posting the pics where his upper body is obscured and you have a top on! Look at the pics I posted they are the best comparison, and you can see the difference in hardness as he is a lot leaner.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=454675.0;attach=500130;image)


He Doesn`t even have any veins showing in his shoulders and barely in his arms despite being on drugs.  I, with zero drugs, am clearly leaner here, top or not.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 04:25:31 AM
No he isn`t.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=454675.0;attach=500130;image)
Bro, lol, that is 20lb away from contest that pic, 5 weeks out at 225, figures you picked my fatest pic  :D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Conker on January 13, 2013, 04:29:59 AM
conker
The photos you used show TA has more chest definition than OTH.

Not the best choice to try and prove your point.


They are by far the best 2 pics of either to use for comparison, pretty much same angle , look at the massive difference in hardness in the mid section, and TA has his arms raised which makes mid section look leaner.

There is no comparison TBH.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 04:33:29 AM
Top pic 5'9,.  215 a few years ago, bottom pic a lot smaller at 184- 3% bodyfat 6 years ago  8)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Conker on January 13, 2013, 04:43:36 AM
TBH mate I think you blow your own trumpet a bit too loud, those pics although good do not show fantastic condition.


(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=454675.0;attach=500128;image)

Not wanting to sound like a homo lol, but you don't think that looks like fantastic condition?!

I'd love to see your pics mate, as you I'm guessing you must be pretty elite!




Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: outby43 on January 13, 2013, 04:43:49 AM
Reduction in calories = automatic calorie reduction.

 ::)

you fucking do not get it.  This is the simple approach to get shredded.  No calorie counting because you cannot eat that much protein to even gain fat. Yes TA,  I know hypothetically you could but it is not realistic.  Of course there are other ways but even a fucking retard can understand what OTH is saying.  Or maybe not..lol.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 04:46:01 AM
you fucking do not get it.  This is the simple approach to get shredded.  No calorie counting because you cannot eat that much protein to even gain fat. Yes TA,  I know hypothetically you could but it is not realistic.  Of course there are other ways but even a fucking retard can understand what OTH is saying.  Or maybe not..lol.
Amen brother, thanks, I really do not understand how anyone can argue this thread, it is mind boggling  ???


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: booty on January 13, 2013, 04:47:35 AM
I can no longer get boiled egg whites down, which is a shame because they are an excellent source of protein as well as very low calories. 


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 04:47:35 AM

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=454675.0;attach=500128;image)

Not wanting to sound like a homo lol, but you don't think that looks like fantastic condition?!

I'd love to see your pics mate, as you I'm guessing you must be pretty elite!



Even if he doesn't think this is good condition, this picture below is even leaner


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 04:49:36 AM
I can no longer get boiled egg whites down, which is a shame because they are an excellent source of protein as well as very low calories. 
Well TA claims he can eat 700 of them every day  :D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: The True Adonis on January 13, 2013, 04:50:09 AM

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=454675.0;attach=500128;image)

Not wanting to sound like a homo lol, but you don't think that looks like fantastic condition?!

I'd love to see your pics mate, as you I'm guessing you must be pretty elite!



THIS is Fantastic Conditioning.  By Naturals.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=270291.0;attach=309792;image)
(http://thisiswhyyourejacked.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Alberto-Nunez2.jpg)

(http://cdn.simplyshredded.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/DSC00864.jpg)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: bigmc on January 13, 2013, 05:38:02 AM
THIS is Fantastic Conditioning.  By Naturals.

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Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: daddy8ball on January 13, 2013, 05:56:02 AM
Can someone post a reasonable 1 day diet consisting of 10,000 calories consisting of no carbs and only protien?

I'm assuming these calories will be divided up into meals.

Can we breakdown the individual meals and the calorie count in each? I remember reading in Flex(?) years ago Dorian ridiculing those who said they were eating 10K calories a day. Dorian said unless you were delivering the food via IV and parked on the toilet, it just wasn't practicle and bordering on impossible.



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 06:03:24 AM
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Not wanting to sound like a homo lol, but you don't think that looks like fantastic condition?!

I'd love to see your pics mate, as you I'm guessing you must be pretty elite!
No I don't think its fantastic condition and no I wasn't an elite competitor, I competed at area and national level back in the mid nineties.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 06:09:40 AM
Right, lets gat back on track
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SIMPLE- HOW TO GET CONTEST SHREDDED FOR ANYONE.
Burn more calories than you take in.

Sorted.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: bebop396 on January 13, 2013, 07:13:21 AM
Keep in mind that OTH said this is a diet for people on Juice....


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Conker on January 13, 2013, 07:27:13 AM
No I don't think its fantastic condition and no I wasn't an elite competitor, I competed at area and national level back in the mid nineties.

Well as I said if you don't rate that as fantastic condition I would love to see 1 or 2 of your pics in comp condition.

As the OP said it's not the only way to diet, but it's a very simple way that doesn't even require the need for any calorie counting. I have gone 40-50g carbs per day while not counting any other macros and managed to maintain LBM and drop BF% quickly and don't find it hard to fit into a normal ED life of working/training etc.

Different strokes for different folks but what he's saying definitely works and many would probably find far more straightforward and manageable than a lot of the fancy, complex diets chucked around.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 09:09:33 AM
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Well as I said if you don't rate that as fantastic condition I would love to see 1 or 2 of your pics in comp condition.
His level of conditioning is what should be achieved by anyone before getting onstage, its good, but it isnt fantastic.
I achieved that level of conditioning back in 95/96.
I might put some photos up if I can manage to get my head off them.   ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: local hero on January 13, 2013, 09:20:16 AM
i dont see what the big deal is,,, he's laid out a pretty easy works everytime guide right there... for all the carb lovers, you have to do the extra work on cardio


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: deceiver on January 13, 2013, 09:56:38 AM
I call this "OTS-galeniko principles" and I'm getting into shape in record time.

Hammer the drugs and starve on protein, fats and limited carbs. Simple and fucking effective. Combine that with eating few big meals, some carb cycling, fasting and it's perfect.

Thank you guys.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Borracho on January 13, 2013, 09:59:07 AM
How the hell do I add muscle with zero fat ....that's what I wanna know


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 10:04:56 AM
I call this "OTS-galeniko principles" and I'm getting into shape in record time.

Hammer the drugs and starve on protein, fats and limited carbs. Simple and fucking effective. Combine that with eating few big meals, some carb cycling, fasting and it's perfect.

Thank you guys.
Great summary, thank you sir

i dont see what the big deal is,,, he's laid out a pretty easy works everytime guide right there... for all the carb lovers, you have to do the extra work on cardio
Good call  ;)



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 10:09:02 AM
No I don't think its fantastic condition and no I wasn't an elite competitor, I competed at area and national level back in the mid nineties.
At the top of the page, in my BDB I am 3% bodyfat, if you notice my striations in my glutes are showing and I am not even flexing my glutes, so if you have been more ripped then that we would like to see cause talk is cheap around here in case you haven't notice. I mean TA derailed the thread but at least he posted pics, your turn big guy. ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: thelamefalsehood on January 13, 2013, 10:15:44 AM
OTH, good thread bro, simple and effective. What about "refeed" days for carbs? Do you ever incorporate them, or just say F it and stay no carb for the duration? Low carb/no carb diets don't bother me, but I do enjoy a weekly carb day to feel like a normal person.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 10:27:35 AM
OTH, good thread bro, simple and effective. What about "refeed" days for carbs? Do you ever incorporate them, or just say F it and stay no carb for the duration? Low carb/no carb diets don't bother me, but I do enjoy a weekly carb day to feel like a normal person.
Hey, thanks for the compliment.
Yes, I am going out for lunch but will address carb up days when I come back. Once a week is fine, however I take a slightly different approach and choose my carb days based on progress, I will explain when I come back.  :)



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: deceiver on January 13, 2013, 11:21:06 AM
Can I eat 10,000 calories of Chicken Breast or Egg Whites and get shredded?



You would end up vomiting like stupid and this amount could actually harm kidneys or other body organs. With health problems like this you cannot get shredded, so answer is:

NO.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 11:46:56 AM
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for all the carb lovers, you have to do the extra work on cardio
No you don't, you have to eat less calories than you burn, cardio isn't required if you eat less food.

Thats the whole crux of this thread for me, it doesn't matter what quantities of protein/carbs/fat you eat as long as you are in a calorie deficit.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: bigmc on January 13, 2013, 11:56:38 AM
How the hell do I add muscle with zero fat ....that's what I wanna know

take a shit load of tren


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 11:57:10 AM
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At the top of the page, in my BDB I am 3% bodyfat, if you notice my striations in my glutes are showing and I am not even flexing my glutes, so if you have been more ripped then that we would like to see cause talk is cheap around here in case you haven't notice. I mean TA derailed the thread but at least he posted pics, your turn big guy.
If you go back through the thread my comment on your condition came prior to your addition of the small photo.
By the way, did you diet the same way for all the photos?
If so why cant you get in the same condition as you did earlier in your career?
If not, why not?

Oh and you added this photo to show us your "condition" and when criticised on it you claimed 20lbs overweight???
Why did you post a photo of you being overweight to add weight to your argument?

Your condition in the small photo looks great, I dont know why you cant replicate it bearing in mind you have solved the worlds solution to diet.

Your diet will work, but its not for the reason you think.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Metabolic on January 13, 2013, 12:00:00 PM
No bullshit and you support ketogenic diets as if they had any sort of metabolical advantage? At least quote TKD or something (which is complicated to follow sooo...)

 ::)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Wiggs on January 13, 2013, 12:09:37 PM
If time is not an issue, why would you voluntarily remove carbs from your diet? You'll be hungry, you'll be crankier, you'll be flat, small and lack energy. Yes, you can take appetite suppressants, weed and pain pills and stuff for energy. It's about balance. This approach is anything but. If you are behind or starting at a really high BF level, yes, you'll need to go this route, but as I've said, barring that time isn't an issue, this is anything but an ideal approach and you'll feel and look like shit the majority of this plan. There's no reason for this. Natural or enhanced. Keep your bodyfat levels at a reasonable level year around and there will not be a need to suffer while dieting.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 12:13:00 PM
If you go back through the thread my comment on your condition came prior to your addition of the small photo.
By the way, did you diet the same way for all the photos?
If so why cant you get in the same condition as you did earlier in your career?
If not, why not?

Oh and you added this photo to show us your "condition" and when criticised on it you claimed 20lbs overweight???
Why did you post a photo of you being overweight to add weight to your argument?

Your condition in the small photo looks great, I dont know why you cant replicate it bearing in mind you have solved the worlds solution to diet.

Your diet will work, but its not for the reason you think.
What reasons do I think? WTF, you are reading into this to hard bro, relax, take a breath, I wrote an effective way to diet, did not give reasons why the fat comes off, that is over complicating the issues, just follow these guidlines and get shredded.

Not for reasons I think,so you can read my mind? and why the fuck does that matter anyway, bro results are all that count.

As for my picture at my leanest and why I have reached the level again, well simple, everyone is telling you you're shredded so you think that it is far enough but it is not, at least I can admit it, will not make that mistake next time I get peeled. And yes I diet this way always, easy, effective,and efficient,plain and simple.

The pic of me not being lean is to show you that you can still retain fulness on a no carb diet, that pic was taken after carb loading.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: snx on January 13, 2013, 12:19:17 PM
I'm not interested in having OTH explain why it works. Who cares? If you try it, you know it works, and that's all that really matters. It worked perfectly for me my last show. Here's what I ate, every day, like clockwork. Just stopped caring about what I ate (this is not how I eat normally, by the way):

Meal one: 8 egg whites, 1 piece of fat-free cheese slice, as many tomatoes or lettuce as I want
Meal two: 50g of protein from whey protein shake in water
Meal three: 8 oz of chicken breast baked, as much lettuce or green peppers as I want
Meal four: same as meal two
Meal five: same as meal three
Meal six: same as meal two

Dropped 50lbs (yes, I got real fat in the off-season) in 20 weeks.

Those who can't, teach. Those who can, win.

Questions for OTH:

1. do you put spices on the chicken and egg whites? Or is it just plain?
2. do you let yourself eat red meat on the plan (lean stuff, like eye of round, or flank, etc...), or just fish/egg whites/chicken breast?
3. you believe cheat meals are ok once or twice per week? Or you just gun hard on your body until show day?







Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: deceiver on January 13, 2013, 12:20:33 PM
If time is not an issue, why would you voluntarily remove carbs from your diet? You'll be hungry, you'll be crankier, you'll be flat, small and lack energy. Yes, you can take appetite suppressants, weed and pain pills and stuff for energy. It's about balance. This approach is anything but. If you are behind or starting at a really high BF level, yes, you'll need to go this route, but as I've said, barring that time isn't an issue, this is anything but an ideal approach and you'll feel and look like shit the majority of this plan. There's no reason for this. Natural or enhanced. Keep your bodyfat levels at a reasonable level year around and there will not be a need to suffer while dieting.

You were fatter in "contest condition" than I am not giving fuck about that and doing powerlifting therefore your argument is invalid.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 12:21:06 PM
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If time is not an issue, why would you voluntarily remove carbs from your diet? You'll be hungry, you'll be crankier, you'll be flat, small and lack energy. Yes, you can take appetite suppressants, weed and pain pills and stuff for energy. It's about balance. This approach is anything but. If you are behind or starting at a really high BF level, yes, you'll need to go this route, but as I've said, barring that time isn't an issue, this is anything but an ideal approach and you'll feel and look like shit the majority of this plan. There's no reason for this. Natural or enhanced. Keep your bodyfat levels at a reasonable level year around and there will not be a need to suffer while dieting.
Nice post wiggs

OTH has a simple solution to you being worn out from the lack of carbs
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This is how I use it, only on training days and prior to a workout to start off with, I will take 32mg of ephedrine, 200mg caffeine, and 80mg aspirin 20 minutes before a workout
lol


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 12:21:24 PM
If time is not an issue, why would you voluntarily remove carbs from your diet? You'll be hungry, you'll be crankier, you'll be flat, small and lack energy. Yes, you can take appetite suppressants, weed and pain pills and stuff for energy. It's about balance. This approach is anything but. If you are behind or starting at a really high BF level, yes, you'll need to go this route, but as I've said, barring that time isn't an issue, this is anything but an ideal approach and you'll feel and look like shit the majority of this plan. There's no reason for this. Natural or enhanced. Keep your bodyfat levels at a reasonable level year around and there will not be a need to suffer while dieting.
Let me tell you something about getting people into contest shape as I have been doing so for over 6 years, the first question people ask, always 19 out of 20 times is how fast can I get shredded. No one gives a fuck of what you suggest above because it always about time, no one wants to waste time.

Hey if you have time then get the fuck off the thread, don't read it and don't do it, but for the ones that are always wanting to get in shape by this time and that time then listen to me. Another thing you should know from someone with my experience is that without a time factor all motivation is lost, this is coming from experience, trust me once a person feel they can not get ripped by a certain deadline they give up. All momentum is lost and their morale is gone.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 12:23:52 PM
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trust me once a person feel they can not get ripped by a certain deadline they give up.
Have you ever had anyone give up because they couldn't think straight and were physically fucked and shaking like a shitting dog due to all the ephedrine and zero carbs?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 12:26:05 PM
Nice post wiggs

OTH has a simple solution to you being worn out from the lack of carbslol
Very simple,no difference at all in any of my lifts in the gym on no carbs cause ECA solves that issue. You can laugh all you want but I am putting up 500 pound deadlifts for 10 reps, 90lb dumbell curls, 400 on the bench for reps, triceps extentions with 2 plate all on no carbs, ZERO, ZIP, NADA. My workouts are the same with or with out carbs.,


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 12:27:10 PM
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I am putting up 500 pound deadlifts for 10 reps, 90lb dumbell curls, 400 on the bench for reps, triceps extentions with 2 plate all on no carbs,
Its how you look on stage that counts mate, you didnt say you were a powerlifter.

Also , running on empty whist taking stimulants is a recipe for disaster, good luck.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 12:28:28 PM
Have you ever had anyone give up because they couldn't think straight and were physically fucked and shaking like a shitting dog due to all the ephedrine and zero carbs?
Again I will write to you what I wrote earlier and what I wrote to bikinislut, read below......


WHAT  

Cry me a fucken river, nothing in life is easy, you want results, man the fuck up and pay for them. You ain't getting contest lean without discomfort that's for damn sure.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 12:29:50 PM
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Again I will write to you what I wrote earlier and what I wrote to bikinislut, read below......


WHAT 

Cry me a fucken river, nothing in life is easy, you want results, man the fuck up and pay for them. You ain't getting contest lean without discomfort that's for damn sure.
try again
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Have you ever had anyone give up because they couldn't think straight and were physically fucked and shaking like a shitting dog due to all the ephedrine and zero carbs?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 12:32:35 PM
Its how you look on stage that counts mate, you didnt say you were a powerlifter.

Also , running on empty whist taking stimulants is a recipe for disaster, good luck.
Are you fucken retarded or something? This was in response to your dumb comment on not having fuel for your workouts. Look at my lifts, obviously my workouts are doing just fine, that was my point dumbass.

 Now are you done making a fool out of yourself and derailing this thread, do you not see all these people saying this approach works awesome. So if you don't mind I would like to continuing helping people reach their goals around here without any more retarded post, but hey it's a free world, do what you want but you are looking real stupid here.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 12:33:17 PM
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Have you ever had anyone give up because they couldn't think straight and were physically fucked and shaking like a shitting dog due to all the ephedrine and zero carbs?
Try again.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 12:33:30 PM
try again
Answer is NO


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Conker on January 13, 2013, 12:33:42 PM
Have you ever had anyone give up because they couldn't think straight and were physically fucked and shaking like a shitting dog due to all the ephedrine and zero carbs?

Serious question

So do you think on a low/zero carb diet, it's the lack of "carbs" that would make you not be able to "think straight" or the lack of overall calories?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 12:36:19 PM
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So do you think on a low/zero carb diet, it's the lack of "carbs" that would make you not be able to "think straight" or the lack of overall calories?
Lack of carbs.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Conker on January 13, 2013, 12:39:30 PM
Lack of carbs.


So for example sake are you saying you will have more energy(be able to think straighter) if you eat a diet of 2500cals containing carbs than you will on a 2500cal diet with no carbs?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 12:41:01 PM
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Answer is NO
Wow!!!
You have been helping and advising people for 6 years and not one has stopped taking your advice due to the fact that your system wasnt working for them?????
Now bearing in mind you have been advising people of this diet for 6 years it takes me back to your earlier comment when you commented on not getting in the same condition as your "best picture" and why haven't you replicated that condition?

let me remind you of this before you answer
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Cry me a fucken river, nothing in life is easy, you want results, man the fuck up and pay for them. You ain't getting contest lean without discomfort that's for damn sure.

Well?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 12:42:07 PM
I'm not interested in having OTH explain why it works. Who cares? If you try it, you know it works, and that's all that really matters. It worked perfectly for me my last show. Here's what I ate, every day, like clockwork. Just stopped caring about what I ate (this is not how I eat normally, by the way):

Meal one: 8 egg whites, 1 piece of fat-free cheese slice, as many tomatoes or lettuce as I want
Meal two: 50g of protein from whey protein shake in water
Meal three: 8 oz of chicken breast baked, as much lettuce or green peppers as I want
Meal four: same as meal two
Meal five: same as meal three
Meal six: same as meal two

Dropped 50lbs (yes, I got real fat in the off-season) in 20 weeks.

Those who can't, teach. Those who can, win.

Questions for OTH:

1. do you put spices on the chicken and egg whites? Or is it just plain?
2. do you let yourself eat red meat on the plan (lean stuff, like eye of round, or flank, etc...), or just fish/egg whites/chicken breast?
3. you believe cheat meals are ok once or twice per week? Or you just gun hard on your body until show day?







Sorry trying to answer a question around here is hard since UKjeff has a hard on for me and won't get off my nuts.

Anyway, yes I put spices, as long as it is zero calories the ski is the limit. Sometimes I use 5 calories per serving dressing as well to add flavor, but I don't go overboard with this.

Now the protein only sources are exactly that "protein only" so if I do eat a steak or any type of red meat the fat involved comes off my 40 grams of fat per day daily limit.

And yes there are cheat days, I will address them in post of there own to explain how I use them in a couple minutes.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 12:42:13 PM
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So for example sake are you saying you will have more energy(be able to think straighter) if you eat a diet of 2500cals containing carbs than you will on a 2500cal diet with no carbs?
Yes.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Disgusted on January 13, 2013, 12:43:45 PM
There are many ways to get ripped and I prefer the no carb route. Going the hihg or "higher" carb route will still get you there but you will have to count your calories more and keep a good record of what you are eating.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 12:43:56 PM
Wow!!!
You have been helping and advising people for 6 years and not one has stopped taking your advice due to the fact that your system wasnt working for them?????
Now bearing in mind you have been advising people of this diet for 6 years it takes me back to your earlier comment when you commented on not getting in the same condition as your "best picture" and why haven't you replicated that condition?

let me remind you of this before you answer
Well?
I never said no one has stopped, stop putting words in my mouth


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: cephissus on January 13, 2013, 12:44:32 PM
so, is this diet viable for people who don't care about getting into "contest condition" but just maintaining high singles bf year round?

???

if so, please show a sample of ACTUAL meals that you could eat year round.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 12:46:32 PM
There are many ways to get ripped and I prefer the no carb route. Going the hig or "higher" carb route will still get you there but you will have to count your calories more and keep a good record of what you are eating.
agree^^


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Disgusted on January 13, 2013, 12:49:02 PM
Started using the no carb diet back around 1980. You def have to watch how much fat you eat. Fish chicken turkey and throw in a steak or two a day. You actually don't even need the veggies unless you diet is real low in fat then you need them for fiber to stay regular.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 12:51:55 PM
so, is this diet viable for people who don't care about getting into "contest condition" but just maintaining high singles bf year round?

???

if so, please show a sample of ACTUAL meals that you could eat year round.
If you don't care for contest conditioning then go low carbs, that will get you into single digits. Meals will come soon bro, I promise  ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Wiggs on January 13, 2013, 12:52:59 PM
Let me tell you something about getting people into contest shape as I have been doing so for over 6 years, the first question people ask, always 19 out of 20 times is how fast can I get shredded. No one gives a fuck of what you suggest above because it always about time, no one wants to waste time.

Hey if you have time then get the fuck off the thread, don't read it and don't do it, but for the ones that are always wanting to get in shape by this time and that time then listen to me. Another thing you should know from someone with my experience is that without a time factor all motivation is lost, this is coming from experience, trust me once a person feel they can not get ripped by a certain deadline they give up. All momentum is lost and their morale is gone.

Well that's why 19 out of 20 people look like shit is because they don't plan properly and rush things. Had they, they'd not need to use an extreme plan, and that's exactly what it is, extreme. Not balanced. Does it get results? Yes, of course, but in the process you'll feel like and look like shit. You can get in shape by this time and that time without doing what you do. Quite easily actually and feel great while doing it. As I've stated, don't start out with such high BF levels, or they will have to resort to your plan. 50 lbs in 10 weeks sounds really healthy ::) There's no need for that. This isn't 1998. Their motivation wouldn't be shot if an accurate timeline was given for them. But because people want instant gratification, they'll take risks and go to extremes and 2 months after their show, they're fatasses again. Great job. While being balanced, you get everything you need and there are no extreme, unhealthy weight gains or loss. What you prescribe, steroids or not is anything but healthy or ideal in the long run.  


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 12:54:24 PM
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I never said no one has stopped, stop putting words in my mouth
You said no one had given up, whats the difference?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 12:54:33 PM
Started using the no carb diet back around 1980. You def have to watch how much fat you eat. Fish chicken turkey and throw in a steak or two a day. You actually don't even need the veggies unless you diet is real low in fat then you need them for fiber to stay regular.
Yes my preference is capping the fat at 40 grams, of course give or take then going with the green Veg. instead of high fats (100+grams)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 12:55:53 PM
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Well that's why 19 out of 20 people look like shit is because they don't plan properly and rush things. Had they, they'd not need to use an extreme plan, and that's exactly what it is, extreme. Not balanced. Does it get results? Yes, of course, but in the process you'll feel like and look like shit. You can get in shape by this time and that time without doing what you do. Quite easily actually and feel great while doing it. As I've stated, don't start out with such high BF levels, or they will have to resort to your plan. 50 lbs in 10 weeks sounds real healthy  There's no need for that. This isn't 1998. If their motivation wouldn't be shot if an accurate timeline was given for them. But because people want instant gratification, they'll take risks and go to extremes and 2 months after their show, their fatasses again. Great job. While being balanced, you get everything you need and there are no extreme unhealthy weight gains or loss. What you prescribe steroids or not is anything but healthy in the long run.
another sensible post.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 12:59:17 PM
You said no one had given up, whats the difference?
You stated specific reasons for them giving up and no one has given up based on reasons you stated. People give up all the time cause they are hungry and can not deal with the will it takes to continue, for those who are like that, I am sorry but CRY MY A FUCKEN RIVER.

 Now please kindly fuck off, some serious people here that enjoy my advise and I am actually making a difference in there life so I need to address them, don't have time for you.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 01:00:17 PM
Avoid dropping 50lbs for a show by staying lean in the off-season, you can look great for 95% of the year and spot on for contests with little stress to your system and internal organs.

Or

Get yourself so far out of shape you have to go zero carbs for 12 weeks dropping 50lbs in bodyweight and look good for two weeks of the year.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 01:02:21 PM
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Now please kindly fuck off, some serious people here that enjoy my advise and I am actually making a difference in there life so I need to address them, don't have time for you.
I will when you answer this
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Now bearing in mind you have been advising people of this diet for 6 years it takes me back to your earlier comment when you commented on not getting in the same condition as your "best picture" and why haven't you replicated that condition?
PS I now know why you picked "onetimehard"  ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 01:03:20 PM
Wiggs, sorry bro but you have never seen your abs in your whole life so what can you possibly relate to here bro, I get people shredded everyday and have a feel for what motivates people and what they want, nothing in life is easy, but I have zero tolerance for cry babies.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Conker on January 13, 2013, 01:04:52 PM
Yes.


Fair enough, why do you think you will feel better with more carbs even though overall cals are the same?

And which 2500cal diet(low/zero carb or 'balanced') do you think would see the best/quickest fat loss?

don't want to clog up the thread, but do find differing opinions on this stuff interesting


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Wiggs on January 13, 2013, 01:05:11 PM
You stated specific reasons for them giving up and no one has given up based on reasons you stated. People give up all the time cause they are hungry and can not deal with the will it takes to continue, for those who are like that, I am sorry but CRY MY A FUCKEN RIVER.

 Now please kindly fuck off, some serious people here that enjoy my advise and I am actually making a difference in there life so I need to address them, don't have time for you.

They wouldn't be hungry and give up if they had carbs and a balnced meal plan. There's no need to get belligerent, if your practices were sound, they'd speak for themselves and would be very difficult to argue. As you see, this isn't the case.  We can argue and poke holes in your flawed plan all day. There is no arguing with balance because it is ideal. In the end, yours is extreme and un-ideal and what I and others prescribe is healthy and balanced. There's no arguing against it.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 01:08:27 PM
I will when you answer thisPS I now know why you picked "onetimehard"  ;)
Good then I will answer to get rid of your dumb ass. I have not done a show since 08, but I have still been down to 6-7% bodyfat since several times but with out the incentive of a show never had the need to get to 3%. Will do regionals, provincials and nationals in 2013 if stay injury free.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Wiggs on January 13, 2013, 01:11:42 PM
Wiggs, sorry bro but you have never seen your abs in your whole life so what can you possibly relate to here bro, I get people shredded everyday and have a feel for what motivates people and what they want, nothing in life is easy, but I have zero tolerance for cry babies.

So that's your retort? Let me break down for you like this smartass. Explain Hany Rambod, and alot of other fatass gurus? They've never seen their abs and they'll make you look like a moron so your argument is invalid. Now instead of trying to attack me personally to discredit me, try attacking my ideas....Guess what? You can't cause they aren't flawed.  You're an absolutely horrible debater.

I've seen my abs plenty.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 01:11:58 PM
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Fair enough, why do you think you will feel better with more carbs even though overall cals are the same?

And which 2500cal diet(low/zero carb or 'balanced') do you think would see the best/quickest fat loss?

don't want to clog up the thread, but do find differing opinions on this stuff interesting
If I don't eat enough carbs I get low blood sugar levels and feel like Im 2 steps behind the rest of the world.
I get Hypoglycaemic, which is dangerous if you are operating equipment or driving.
If you dont have work to do and can doss about all day doing fuck all and mainlining on ephedrine I suppose it wouldn't matter that much
Unfortunately for me I have a life.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 01:13:47 PM
They wouldn't be hungry and give up if they had carbs and a balnced meal plan. There's no need to get belligerent, if your practices were sound, they'd speak for themselves and would be very difficult to argue. As you see, this isn't the case.  We can argue and poke holes in your flawed plan all day. There is no arguing with balance because it is ideal. In the end, yours is extreme and un-ideal and what I and others prescribe is healthy and balanced. There's no arguing against it.
HAHAHA this is not the case, oh you don't see my striated glutes on the other page, brother trust me the results speak for themselves.

And you are dead wrong about people giving up on no carbs. From my experience way more people give up on low carb diets then no carb diets. Cause once you taste the carbs they binge and if you are eating carbs daily you are at risk daily. Nothing can be further from the truth, the no carb diets have less people quiting- that is a fact.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 01:14:00 PM
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I have not done a show since 08, but I have still been down to 6-7% bodyfat since several times but with out the incentive of a show never had the need to get to 3%.
All I can say to that is

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Cry me a fucken river, nothing in life is easy, you want results, man the fuck up and pay for them. You ain't getting contest lean without discomfort that's for damn sure.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 01:15:02 PM
So that's your retort? Let me break down for you like this smartass. Explain Hany Rambod, and alot of other fatass gurus? They've never seen their abs and they'll make you look like a moron so your argument is invalid. Now instead of trying to attack me personally to discredit me, try attacking my ideas....Guess what? You can't cause they aren't flawed.  You're an absolutely horrible debater.

I've seen my abs plenty.
Hit a nerve, did I?  :'( ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 01:16:29 PM
Fuck I am arguing with a fat guy and a loser who won't man up and post his pics, fuckman, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH ME  ???   :-[


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 01:16:59 PM
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HAHAHA this is not the case, oh you don't see my striated glutes on the other page, brother trust me the results speak for themselves.
Which you cannot replicate.  ;D

With all your knowledge and all your clients getting shredded and you still struggling to get below 6% maybe its you who needs to man up and get your act together.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 01:18:54 PM
Which you cannot replicate.  ;D

With all your knowledge and all your clients getting shredded and you still struggling to get below 6% maybe its you who needs to man up and get your act together.
-No need to until stage time, it is not necessary, in fact I don't even want to till stage time, now about those pics of yours  ???


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 01:19:26 PM
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Fuck I am arguing with a fat guy and a loser who won't man up and post his pics, fuckman, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH ME
Strange you see it as arguing, I see it as two people finding flaws in your perfect plan.

You dont know anything about me yet you call me a loser?
Maybe I will post my pics............then again.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: deceiver on January 13, 2013, 01:19:32 PM
So that's your retort? Let me break down for you like this smartass. Explain Hany Rambod, and alot of other fatass gurus? They've never seen their abs and they'll make you look like a moron so your argument is invalid. Now instead of trying to attack me personally to discredit me, try attacking my ideas....Guess what? You can't cause they aren't flawed.  You're an absolutely horrible debater.

I've seen my abs plenty.

When? Where? I dare you post 1 pic of your abs with 4pack visible without lighting tricks.

Fuck, I dare you post 1 pic of your arms with single fucking vein on them.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 01:20:24 PM
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No need to until stage time
The battle cry of the never again competitor.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 01:21:01 PM
When? Where? I dare you post 1 pic of your abs with 4pack visible without lighting tricks.

Fuck, I dare you post 1 pic of your arms with single fucking vein on them.
x2 ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: syntaxmachine on January 13, 2013, 01:23:24 PM
You'll be hungry, you'll be crankier, you'll be flat, small and lack energy.

Save the bit about flatness, these claims are all demonstrably false.

I'm not interested in having OTH explain why it works. Who cares? If you try it, you know it works, and that's all that really matters.

1. Ketosis-inducing diets (there aren't many varieties, but there's more than one) have always worked tremendously well for me as far as stripping away bodyfat, maintaining muscle, keeping energy levels stable, and maintaining a modicum of mental function are concerned. I suspect many doubters are "virgins talking about sex," so to speak, never having tried the diet. And that's understandable, given the U.S. government (via the NIH, mostly) demonizes any such approach to dieting to the extreme, an attitude which trickles down into nutritionists' minds across the country.

I also suspect that those who are complaining of having tried such a diet either didn't do it properly and thus never entered ketosis in the first place -- meandering on the border between 'low enough carbs' and 'just a bit too many carbs' -- or otherwise are referring solely to low carb diets, which are different than ketosis-inducing diets (which are essentially zero carb diets).

2. OTH, what sort of cardio regime do you like to implement in conjunction with your diet?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 01:32:27 PM
Wheres OTH?
I think he's nipped off to have some carbs so he can get his argument straight.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Conker on January 13, 2013, 01:33:16 PM
If I don't eat enough carbs I get low blood sugar levels and feel like Im 2 steps behind the rest of the world.
I get Hypoglycaemic, which is dangerous if you are operating equipment or driving.
If you dont have work to do and can doss about all day doing fuck all and mainlining on ephedrine I suppose it wouldn't matter that much
Unfortunately for me I have a life.

Yes but you are one person , I can go very low carbs without the feelings you are talking about and that's with working full time, sometimes pretty long days and training 3-4 times a week on top, and can't say I've heard of many others talking about going hypo on low carb/keto diets...
Once you adapt I would imagine blood sugar levels would be pretty stable on a low carb diet(?)

Just because something doesn't suit you doesn't meant that applies to everyone or even the majority. I don't feel any different on a low carb diet than I do on a more fat restrictive/mod carb diet. I just find it easier to fit in with ED life as don't need to worry about making calculations other than carbs.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 01:33:53 PM
Save the bit about flatness, these claims are all demonstrably false.

1. Ketosis-inducing diets (there aren't many varieties, but there's more than one) have always worked tremendously well for me as far as stripping away bodyfat, maintaining muscle, keeping energy levels stable, and maintaining a modicum of mental function are concerned. I suspect many doubters are "virgins talking about sex," so to speak, never having tried the diet. And that's understandable, given the U.S. government (via the NIH, mostly) demonizes any such approach to dieting to the extreme, an attitude which trickles down into nutritionists' minds across the country.

I also suspect that those who are complaining of having tried such a diet either didn't do it properly and thus never entered ketosis in the first place -- meandering on the border between 'low enough carbs' and 'just a bit too many carbs' -- or otherwise are referring solely to low carb diets, which are different than ketosis-inducing diets (which are essentially zero carb diets).

2. OTH, what sort of cardio regime do you like to implement in conjunction with your diet?
Excellent post.

I usually have people to cardio at least 3 times a week, the goal of course is to reach an hour each time but they can start at 30 min and work their way up.  This is considering they are active throughout the day but if they have an office job or something where they don't move much I will increase it to as much as everyday. Now there are a few that do no cardio at all but they have laborious jobs and burn a lot throughtout the day.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 01:39:07 PM
hers my final go at a weight loss programme

Eat an apple and an orange a day do 3 hours cardio and you will be ripped in 10 weeks.
It's not perfect but it works.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 01:41:18 PM
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I don't feel any different on a low carb diet than I do on a more fat restrictive/mod carb diet. I just find it easier to fit in with ED life as don't need to worry about making calculations other than carbs.
Just because something doesn't suits you doesn't meant that applies to everyone or even the majority.

back at you.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 01:42:01 PM
Yes but you are one person , I can go very low carbs without the feelings you are talking about and that's with working full time, sometimes pretty long days and training 3-4 times a week on top, and can't say I've heard of many others talking about going hypo on low carb/keto diets...
Once you adapt I would imagine blood sugar levels would be pretty stable on a low carb diet(?)

Just because something doesn't suit you doesn't meant that applies to everyone or even the majority. I don't feel any different on a low carb diet than I do on a more fat restrictive/mod carb diet. I just find it easier to fit in with ED life as don't need to worry about making calculations other than carbs.
EXACTLY^^^, how much simpler can it get

  I have zero tolerance for whiners and cry babies. These diets are not a walk in the park and they are not for everyone, although anyone can do it, but they are intended for serious people ready for the challenge not some one who lacks will power.

I own a roofing business and I am on a sloped roof shingling all day sometimes on zero carbs for 12 hours, wtf? there is no excuses, this guy ukjeff is a big baby crying about hypo, that is a fucken cop out for a lack of will power.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Conker on January 13, 2013, 01:44:45 PM
back at you.

LOL there are plenty of people on this thread alone saying it "suits" them , you yourself admitted it works, the only reason I can see your are trying to categorically rubbish it is because you didn't find you got on with it(?)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 01:52:12 PM
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you yourself admitted it works, the only reason I can see your are trying to categorically rubbish it is because you didn't find you got on with it
Rubbish it?
I admitted it works because of the calorie deficit.
if people want to do it fine, its just that it's not the be all and end all the OP suggested.
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What I wrote is the fastest and most efficient way humanly possible, there is simply no such a thing as a faster way to get to contest shape while maintaining all your muscle, sorry but there just is NOT.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 13, 2013, 01:54:16 PM
OneTimehard pwning UKdouche and Wiggs here, with very little effort.



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 01:54:21 PM
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this guy ukjeff is a big baby crying about hypo, that is a fucken cop out for a lack of will power.
Obviously never been hypoglycaemic.

All these fuckin cry baby diabetics, fuck the insulin,all they need is some willpower.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 02:00:11 PM
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OneTimehard pwning UKdouche and Wiggs here, with very little effort.

Lol, its an internet forum, neither of us is right, we both have opinions, its what works for you thats right.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 02:02:33 PM
ADDRESSING THE CHEAT/CARB DAY[/
If you are on low carbs no need for this


On a no carb diet most people use the weekly approach for a carb up day. I do not use this approach.

What I do is simple, I pick intervals in body weight throughtout the course of my journey and once every interval is met I have a cheat day.

Here is an example; start the diet at 250lb and I end up at 205lb so I pick all my cheat days in advance like this;

244 lb
239 lb
234 lb
229 lb
225 lb
221 lb
217 lb
214 lb
211 lb
208 lb
205 lb

Every time I hit my next weight goal I have a carb up day. The carb up day is 300-350 grams of carbs and it does not matter if the carbs are from complex sources or simple sources cause you are way depleted anyway, you will burn it all regardless.

Now notice how the first interval is 6lb and the last one is only 3 lb, well that is because at the beginning you lose lots of weight fast and then as you approach less bodyfat your weight lost slow down. weigh yourself on empty stomach first thing in the morning


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 02:04:20 PM
Why do you have a carb day?

Hey, maybe its the carbs on the carb day that makes the diet work   ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 02:04:38 PM
OneTimehard pwning UKdouche and Wiggs here, with very little effort.


;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: deceiver on January 13, 2013, 02:06:57 PM
So if Groink agrees then out of pure curiosity, what does Groink eat all day long?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Conker on January 13, 2013, 02:16:19 PM
Obviously never been hypoglycaemic.

All these fuckin cry baby diabetics, fuck the insulin,all they need is some willpower.

Well diabetics actually suffer from the opposite of hypoglycaemia - "hyperglycaemia" they only go hypo if they take too much insulin

You probably never gave your body enough time to adapt because I'm certain low carb diets are renowned for stopping blood sugar levels from yo-yoing which a common cause of going hypo. Did you ever actually measure your blood sugar to see how low it was? or was it just the feeling?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: cephissus on January 13, 2013, 02:24:02 PM
so, is this diet viable for people who don't care about getting into "contest condition" but just maintaining high singles bf year round?

???

if so, please show a sample of ACTUAL meals that you could eat year round.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 13, 2013, 02:31:13 PM
So if Groink agrees then out of pure curiosity, what does Groink eat all day long?

I'm on Tren ace, and i eat clean. i don't have a specific diet......i use common sense and I probably eat less than 2500 calories a day on average at a BW of 230.... keeps me around 8%...

and i have no aspirations of getting any leaner, I like the way I look...100% satisfied.

If i wanted to put the hammer down and get to contest levels, i would use OTH method for the simple reason that it's simple. I can't be bothered measuring out carb/fat/protien ratios , reading nutrition labels and worrying about what i'm gonna eat all day and if it's "ok for my diet"....fuck that.

Simplicity for the win.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 02:31:44 PM
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if so, please show a sample of ACTUAL meals that you could eat year round.

Im looking forward to that to, he's already stated that you cant eat enough protein not to lose weight as its impossible, I think he's going to have 250lb guys on around 2300 cals a day.

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Well diabetics actually suffer from the opposite of hypoglycaemia - "hyperglycaemia" they only go hypo if they take too much insulin
They suffer from both, a 5 second Google search would have shown you that.
PS
Hyper = high
Hypo= low.
I know a guy who is diabetic and if he gets his carbs too low he can go into a coma.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 02:33:18 PM
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I can't be bothered measuring out carb/fat/protien ratios , reading nutrition labels and worrying about what i'm gonna eat all day and if it's "ok for my diet"....fuck that.
You dont have to, just measure it out once and then eat the same everyday.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 02:35:50 PM
I'm on Tren ace, and i eat clean. i don't have a specific diet......i use common sense and I probably eat less than 2500 calories a day on average at a BW of 230.... keeps me around 8%...

and i have no aspirations of getting any leaner, I like the way I look...100% satisfied.

If i wanted to put the hammer down and get to contest levels, i would use OTH method for the simple reason that it's simple. I can't be bothered measuring out carb/fat/protien ratios , reading nutrition labels and worrying about what i'm gonna eat all day and if it's "ok for my diet"....fuck that.

Simplicity for the win.
This was my whole agenda right there, what you wrote, keep it simple, No counting, no figuring out macro BS, no second guessing anything just get shredded without losing muscle, DONE.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 02:37:12 PM
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This was my whole agenda right there, what you wrote, keep it simple, No counting, no figuring out macro BS, no second guessing anything just get shredded without losing muscle, DONE.
Which you can do and still eat carbs


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: el numero uno on January 13, 2013, 02:38:16 PM
Some people actually enjoy reading OTH.

Wiggs, you are a fat fuck STFU.

ukjeff, open your own thread and help people there using your methods. You aren't contributing to this thread dumbass you're being annoying.

Just my 2 cents


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 02:39:46 PM
Some people actually enjoy reading OTH.

Wiggs, you are a fat fuck STFU.

ukjeff, open your own thread and help people there using your methods. You aren't contributing to this thread dumbass you're being annoying.

Just my 2 cents
Thank you brother, my intentions are good, this guy has a bruised ego for some reason.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 02:40:42 PM
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Some people actually enjoy reading OTH.
Me included
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Wiggs, you are a fat fuck STFU.
Couldnt comment
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ukjeff, open your own thread and help people there using your methods. You aren't contributing to this thread dumbass you're being annoying.
I dont want to start a thread about basic dieting, its below the members here.
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Just my 2 cents
Just mine as well.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 02:41:34 PM
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Thank you brother, my intentions are good, this guy has a bruised ego for some reason.
Ego?
Lol theres only one ego in this thread


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: BikiniSlut on January 13, 2013, 02:44:54 PM
The only thing I've learned from This thread is that Onetimehard has the biggest ego on this board, and is ALSO the biggest asshole.
BOOM!!!!! :D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Conker on January 13, 2013, 02:48:09 PM
Im looking forward to that to, he's already stated that you cant eat enough protein not to lose weight as its impossible, I think he's going to have 250lb guys on around 2300 cals a day.
They suffer from both, a 5 second Google search would have shown you that.
PS
Hyper = high
Hypo= low.
I know a guy who is diabetic and if he gets his carbs too low he can go into a coma.

I am starting to think you are just clueless.

"Diabetes mellitus, or simply diabetes, is a group of metabolic diseases in which a person has high blood sugar, either because the pancreas does not produce enough insulin, or because cells do not respond to the insulin that is produced"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes_mellitus

Do you even understand what insulin does?

Their bodies do not respond to or produce enough insulin to clear sugar from their blood , that is why they take exogenous insulin to lower their blood sugar , they only go hyper if they take too much exogenous insulin. FACT. They always keep fast carbs around them in case they overdo insulin. He goes into a coma because he got insulin wrong not carbs!

And you never answered did you ever measure your blood sugar when you claim you went hypo on low carbs or was it just a feeling you got?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 02:48:50 PM
THE LIST


[u]OK, here are your protein sources;

Egg whites
Chicken breast
lean Turkey
Cod
Haddock
Salmon
Tuna
Talipia
Shrimp
Liver
Protein shake ( find one with less then 4 grams of carbs per serving)

Now the following protein sources are kept to once a day;

Lean steak
Lean ground beef
Lean roast beef
Veal

In general I do not consider certain vegetable source to be carbs, cause your metabolism process them without any storage of fat, in other words the calories do not convert to fat

Here are your vegetable source;

Asparagus
Broccoli/purple sprouting broccoli
Cabbage
Cucumber
Onion
Spinach
Romaine lettuce
Tomatoes
Green Peppers

 Now the following vegetables should be kept to a minimum;

Celery
Carrots
Mushrooms
Peas

Dietary fats can come from flax oil or a supplement, I do not recommend they come from nuts or sees. From experience it is very easy to go crazy eating from nuts and seeds and can sabotage your diet.

Diet drinks are allowed, they have zero calories anyway.



Keep your veg. to one serving per meal.[/u]


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Wiggs on January 13, 2013, 02:49:06 PM
Hit a nerve, did I?  :'( ;D

No you didn't. And I see you neglected to address anything I said in that post. Because you know it to be true. Your plan works but it's not not the best, healthiest or ideal plan. Personal attacks show, you're avoiding the subject. In addition, carb cycling is what I advocated, not, low carbs, there is a difference.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 02:49:15 PM
"I have got lots of people in shape"
"My way is the best way to diet"
"Look at my pictures, aren't I good"
I
I
I

Ego unchained.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Metabolic on January 13, 2013, 02:51:38 PM
Save the bit about flatness, these claims are all demonstrably false.

1. Ketosis-inducing diets (there aren't many varieties, but there's more than one) have always worked tremendously well for me as far as stripping away bodyfat, maintaining muscle, keeping energy levels stable, and maintaining a modicum of mental function are concerned. I suspect many doubters are "virgins talking about sex," so to speak, never having tried the diet. And that's understandable, given the U.S. government (via the NIH, mostly) demonizes any such approach to dieting to the extreme, an attitude which trickles down into nutritionists' minds across the country.

I also suspect that those who are complaining of having tried such a diet either didn't do it properly and thus never entered ketosis in the first place -- meandering on the border between 'low enough carbs' and 'just a bit too many carbs' -- or otherwise are referring solely to low carb diets, which are different than ketosis-inducing diets (which are essentially zero carb diets).

2. OTH, what sort of cardio regime do you like to implement in conjunction with your diet?

Ill just leave this here for you and anybody else

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/comparing-the-diets-part-1.html
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/comparing-the-diets-part-2.html
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/comparing-the-diets-part-3.html

The only reason why you feel like keto works is because it is a high protein diet (positive nitrogen balance) and protein satiation vs caloric content.  Ketosis has no inherent advantage.

Also, you could read this whole series:

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-hormones-of-bodyweight-regulation-leptin-part-1.html


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: cephissus on January 13, 2013, 02:52:05 PM
Im looking forward to that to, he's already stated that you cant eat enough protein not to lose weight as its impossible, I think he's going to have 250lb guys on around 2300 cals a day.

i'm really interested in what OTH has to say.  i've always dismissed the "zero-carb" crowd before, but I've got my ear open this time.  

so the plan is simple?  great.  BUT, I can't actually EAT some OTH diet principles.  i can only eat actual food.  and not "chicken breast and egg whites" 365 days a year.  if it's for a bodybuilding contest, fine, i understand, you do what you have to do.  but getting into "contest condition" has never interested me for many reasons, one of which is YOU CAN'T MAINTAIN IT!  I'm only interested in getting into the best condition I can maintain year round.

So, again, is the diet you're suggesting good for this purpose, OTH?  And if so, what does an actual day's worth of food look like for you with 0 / low enough carbs to keep bf in the high singles (in other words, everyday, maintainable condition)?  the principles are simple, and that's great.  but i'm having a hard time imagining a simple way of cooking and eating pounds of meat and ??? every day while staying sane.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 02:54:49 PM
No you didn't. And I see you neglected to address anything I said in that post. Because you know it to be true. Your plan works but it's not not the best, healthiest or ideal plan. Personal attacks show, you're avoiding the subject. In addition, carb cycling is what I advocated, not, low carbs, there is a difference.

We are not talking what is healthiest, we are talking what is most efficient there bro. I don't give a crap what you feel is ideal or not, I am writing for those who want to diet efficiently without the hassle of counting calories or having to complicate things further, that's it. If you don't like it don't do it, simple. You are right though maybe I jump the gun a bit by being rude, so I apologize for that Wiggs.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Wiggs on January 13, 2013, 02:54:49 PM
Lets get a couple things straight. What you are any of us for that matter are preaching are not new or groundbreaking things. It goes back to the Keto diet vs. the traditional way and the results speak for themselves. Ask Tony Freeman and a bunch of other pros.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Wiggs on January 13, 2013, 02:57:23 PM
We are not talking what is healthiest, we are talking what is most efficient there bro. I don't give a crap what you feel is ideal or not, I am writing for those who want to diet efficiently without the hassle of counting calories or having to complicate things further, that's it. If you don't like it don't do it, simple. You are right though maybe I jump the gun a bit by being rude, so I apologize for that Wiggs.

I still love you. :-*

 ;) ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: BikiniSlut on January 13, 2013, 02:58:02 PM
We are not talking what is healthiest, we are talking what is most efficient there bro. I don't give a crap what you feel is ideal or not, I am writing for those who want to diet efficiently without the hassle of counting calories or having to complicate things further, that's it. If you don't like it don't do it, simple. You are right though maybe I jump the gun a bit by being rude, so I apologize for that Wiggs.

In that case you may want to seriously look into "binge and purge". It's great...you can eat anything you want!! :D And you can get just as lean just as quick.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 02:58:11 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoglycemia
Quote
Hypoglycemia is less common in non-diabetic persons, but can occur at any age. Among the causes are excessive insulin produced in the body (hyperinsulinemia), inborn error of metabolism, medications and poisons, alcohol, hormone deficiencies, prolonged starvation, alterations of metabolism associated with infection, and organ failure.
Hypoglycemia is treated by restoring the blood glucose level to normal by the ingestion or administration of dextrose or carbohydrate foods.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 03:02:48 PM
The only thing I've learned from This thread is that Onetimehard has the biggest ego on this board, and is ALSO the biggest asshole.
BOOM!!!!! :D
First of all I am the nicest guy in the world and the biggest asshole when someone is rude to me or opposes me negatively so you are not wrong on that point  ;)

Second, ego?, ya I would not be a bodybuilder if I did not have an ego, but there are tons of guys on getbig who look better and I am nothing special in the great picture of things, this I can admit, but I know what I am doing and I will help anyone that needs it. even for free, all they have to do is ask. WHY? cause I love lifting and every aspect of the game and nothing makes me feel better then watching someone change their physique, NOTHING, this is my passion and I am sincere about it that.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 13, 2013, 03:06:26 PM
No you didn't. And I see you neglected to address anything I said in that post. Because you know it to be true. Your plan works but it's not not the best, healthiest or ideal plan. Personal attacks show, you're avoiding the subject. In addition, carb cycling is what I advocated, not, low carbs, there is a difference.


I think what OTH  is saying is that he's followed this diet himself and gotten very lean, and has gotten other people in great shape as well.  You haven't been lean in your life and are just talking about stuff you read online ....how would you know what works and what doesn't ?



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 03:07:14 PM
I still love you. :-*

 ;) ;D
Now I am really feeling bad bro, haha my bad wiggs, love you too, (no homo)  :D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 03:07:40 PM
Quote
You are right though maybe I jump the gun a bit by being rude, so I apologize for that Wiggs and ukjeff

fixed.   :)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 03:08:11 PM
In that case you may want to seriously look into "binge and purge". It's great...you can eat anything you want!! :D And you can get just as lean just as quick.
I will look it up.  :)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: arce1988 on January 13, 2013, 03:08:56 PM
You ain't getting contest lean without discomfort that's for damn sure.

  Boom


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 03:09:33 PM
Quote
I will look it up.
Its "throw" it up


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 03:10:23 PM
fixed.   :)
Alright I will swallow my pride and say sorry to you too, SORRY. ;)
Wow how did I become the bad guy in all this  ??? :) 8)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 03:11:11 PM
Quote
You ain't getting contest lean without discomfort that's for damn sure.

  Boom
great, and lets make sure its as bad as possible, after all the guy who wins the trophy is the one who's suffered the most.  :)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 03:11:43 PM
Its "throw" it up
What  ???  I say something nice to BS and she trolls me, shame on you BS  >:(

You ain't getting contest lean without discomfort that's for damn sure.

  Boom
lol, booooom  ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 13, 2013, 03:12:13 PM
great, and lets make sure its as bad as possible, after all the guy who wins the trophy is the one who's suffered the most.  :)

speaking of which where's your contest pics ?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 03:12:22 PM
Quote
Alright I will swallow my pride and say sorry to you too, SORRY.
Wow how did I become the bad guy in all this    

No need to say sorry, its just the internet, I dont actually exist you know, Im a spambot.   8)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 03:14:04 PM
Quote
speaking of which where's your contest pics ?
I cant post them it will ID me, I cant photoshop.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 13, 2013, 03:15:12 PM
No need to say sorry, its just the internet, I dont actually exist you know, Im a spambot.   8)

No what you are is a smartass who is attached to OTH's nuts.

his diet will work, you have admitted it yourself but that isn't stopping you from being a dickhead and whining about it for two days now


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 13, 2013, 03:17:09 PM
I cant post them it will ID me, I cant photoshop.

just black out your face, it's child's play...or crop it out,..every computer on earth has these programs and a 7 year old can do it.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 03:20:03 PM
No what you are is a smartass who is attached to OTH's nuts.

his diet will work, you have admitted it yourself but that isn't stopping you from being a dickhead and whining about it for two days now
Wow Groink, I forgot how hard you can hit at times.  :D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: arce1988 on January 13, 2013, 03:20:10 PM
  There Are NONE So Blind As Those Who Will NOT See.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 13, 2013, 03:24:22 PM
Wow Groink, I forgot how hard you can hit at times.  :D

He's being a jerk. plain and simple. you never said you are the world's authority on dieting...and this guy has been busting your balls for two days for no reason, and he's still at it even after you backed off and chilled.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 03:24:45 PM
(http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/7226/eeejg.jpg)

has that worked?
edit, oh yes, it has.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Conker on January 13, 2013, 03:25:17 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoglycemia

I know what the f@ck hypoglycaemia is!

But you stated that diabetes is the suffering from high and low blood sugar levels, which is rubbish, their condition makes them suffer from  "hyperglycaemia" high blood sugar, caused by their own insulation production/response being inadequate to clear sugar from their blood.

When/if they get "hypoglycaemia" it is a side effect of their medication -taking too much exogenous insulin

Mate if you do not even understand the basics of how insulin regulates blood sugar, you really have no place arguing about anything diet related.

Oh, and you still never answered whether or not you actually measured your blood sugar level?...You probably wasn't hypo at all just being a gaylord ;D



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 13, 2013, 03:27:30 PM
(http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/7226/eeejg.jpg)

has that worked?
edit, oh yes, it has.

great build.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 03:28:18 PM
Quote
Oh, and you still never answered whether or not you actually measured your blood sugar level?...You probably wasn't hypo at all just being a gaylord
No I havent measured my levels but I get the symptoms

Symptoms you may have when your blood sugar gets too low include:

Double vision or blurry vision

Fast or pounding heartbeat

Feeling cranky or acting aggressive

Hunger

Shaking or trembling

Sweating

Unclear thinking


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dustin on January 13, 2013, 03:29:11 PM
I do intermittent fasting which is basically just skipping breakfast and pushing my meals back as far as I can stave hunger/hypoglycemia. Nothing fancy. That time spent fasting, I'm burning fat and improving my insulin sensitivity. I pig out in the evening and that's all.

When I want to get REALLY shredded I just cut back the carbs as much as I can tolerate. That's it... under 8% bodyfat and the only cardio I do is actually cardiovascular exercise, none of that bodybuilder cardio bullshit. I do a little extra walking for my warm up and a little bit of HIT for heart health if you want to count that. I also can't believe that people far for this shit. It's on a billion websites on the internet and people still scratch their head when it comes to losing fat... I don't get it.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 03:29:38 PM
oh and the photo was from 96, the most competitive era in bodybuilding


lol


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: arce1988 on January 13, 2013, 03:30:09 PM
  Just needs some legs


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on January 13, 2013, 03:30:54 PM
You can 700 egg whites?

Put in a food Processor and ground to a liquid consistency, easily.


 ::)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 03:35:12 PM
Quote
Just needs some legs
They were in proportion to the rest of my physique

(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/183/wwwhe.jpg)
Taken the day after the first one.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 03:35:44 PM
You can 700 egg whites?


 ::)
LMAO  ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 03:37:09 PM
(http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/7226/eeejg.jpg)

has that worked?
edit, oh yes, it has.
Great build but 12 hours to search for your best pic bro :o


kidding,, lol


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 13, 2013, 03:37:38 PM
They were in proportion to the rest of my physique

(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/183/wwwhe.jpg)
Taken the day after the first one.

I would say you needed arms more than anything. but you had an excellent physique, props


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: arce1988 on January 13, 2013, 03:38:06 PM
  Second pic is your best    good physique


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 03:38:13 PM
Quote
Great build but 12 hours to search for your best pic bro
I have loads of pics


I only look good in 2 of them.  ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 03:40:24 PM
Bis are still a shit bodypart for me, (Dan Hill syndrome)
Tris are alright


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Conker on January 13, 2013, 03:49:58 PM
No I havent measured my levels but I get the symptoms

Symptoms you may have when your blood sugar gets too low include:

Double vision or blurry vision

Fast or pounding heartbeat

Feeling cranky or acting aggressive

Hunger

Shaking or trembling

Sweating

Unclear thinking

Fair play, looked better than I ever have, bit Frank Zane esque, but I still doubt your blood sugar actually dropped into "hypo" range and you were probably just being a gaylord ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: syntaxmachine on January 13, 2013, 03:50:50 PM
THE LIST


]OK, here are your protein sources;

Egg whites
Chicken breast
lean Turkey
Cod
Haddock
Salmon
Tuna
Talipia
Shrimp
Liver
Protein shake ( find one with less then 4 grams of carbs per serving)


Forgot one bro.

Straight-from-the-tap infusions (unlimited amount per day)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: arce1988 on January 13, 2013, 03:51:21 PM
(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/183/wwwhe.jpg)


  damn good


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 03:53:47 PM
Quote
but I still doubt your blood sugar actually dropped into "hypo" range and you were probably just being a gaylord
lol
Quote
bit Frank Zane esque
And thats a bad thing?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 03:59:07 PM
Quote
Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + low carbs (green veg allowed) and 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get anyone into single digits.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + No carbs (green veg and others allowed)+ 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get you to contest bodyfat levels.

On second thoughts, I might give this a go.  :)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Conker on January 13, 2013, 04:00:09 PM
lolAnd thats a bad thing?

Of course it's not, it was a compliment! However being a bit of a gaylord....  8)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Nomad on January 13, 2013, 04:00:14 PM
I don't believe that, you can if you want, I know 99% of people believe that but I certainly do not.

Let's be practical here. 3 lb of chicken breast is 1300 calories, I really do not recommand you eat more protein then this, but in the few cases I have seen where people do eat more protein then this like myself there is no difference in the pace I lose fat at. I eat up to 5 lb of chicken breast daily leading up to contest shape and drop fat at 4lb per week and I have tried to eat protein from morning to night daily in enormous amounts and still drop fat incredibly fast. Without the carbs the fat is coming off regardless of the amount of "protein only" you try to eat because your body simply can not eat enormous amounts of protein daily, not caloric wise.

5 pounds of chicken breast 2200 calories

150 boiled egg whites 2200 calories

You can eat more protein daily then this^^^? WOW you guys are truly amazing,  Come on now gentleman stop playing stupid here.

Dude,..I just ate a 0.80 lb ribeye after shooting some ghrp6 and I already feel full. Have no idea how people would chow down 2lbs of chicken or meat a day.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 04:02:08 PM
Quote
Dude,..I just ate a 0.80 lb ribeye after shooting some ghrp6 and I already feel full. Have no idea how people would chow down 2lbs of chicken or meat a day.
Dude, thats why it works, you cant eat enough food and starve the fat/muscle off.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 04:04:59 PM
Quote
However being a bit of a gaylord.
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvju8n9K1L1qk52jj.gif)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Bobby on January 13, 2013, 04:05:06 PM
Dude, thats why it works, you cant eat enough food and starve the fat/muscle off.

what approach did u use for the contest the pics are from?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 04:06:22 PM
Moderate carbs and protein and low fat.
I dieted for 10 weeks, I only ever went 10lbs over my contest weight offseason


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: syntaxmachine on January 13, 2013, 04:23:02 PM
Ill just leave this here for you and anybody else

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/comparing-the-diets-part-1.html
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/comparing-the-diets-part-2.html
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/comparing-the-diets-part-3.html

The only reason why you feel like keto works is because it is a high protein diet (positive nitrogen balance) and protein satiation vs caloric content.  Ketosis has no inherent advantage.


Nothing in the series posted contradicts the research out there indicating that low carb/ketogenic diets strip fat and preserve muscle better than other diets on a short-term basis, the subject of this thread. Nor does any of it contradict the notion that ketosis has inherent advantages; Lyle's chart in the final post of the series indicates that keto diets (he outlines three types) are superior to other diets (high carb, low fat and mod carb, mod fat) for people who are carb addicts and who have stubborn fat deposits. Lyle's point is that despite each diet having inherent advantages, neither is the "best" independent of context.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/comparing-the-diets-part-4.html (http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/comparing-the-diets-part-4.html)

Also, I'm not sure how you could possibly stipulate from your chair over there what criteria I used to determine whether keto was effective or not. The fact is, I used specific subjective (satiety, energy levels, performance on certain cognitive tasks -- tasks I do all the time so I can tell the difference between diets) and objective measures (weight lost, rate of weight loss, body fat %, strength in the gym) to determine the diet's effectiveness.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: BikiniSlut on January 13, 2013, 04:35:43 PM
They were in proportion to the rest of my physique

(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/183/wwwhe.jpg)
Taken the day after the first one.
\
Fantastic.....best physique in this thread. Not to big, not to small, not disgustingly lean....almost perfection.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Metabolic on January 13, 2013, 04:59:53 PM
Nothing in the series posted contradicts the research out there indicating that low carb/ketogenic diets strip fat and preserve muscle better than other diets on a short-term basis, the subject of this thread. Nor does any of it contradict the notion that ketosis has inherent advantages; Lyle's chart in the final post of the series indicates that keto diets (he outlines three types) are superior to other diets (high carb, low fat and mod carb, mod fat) for people who are carb addicts and who have stubborn fat deposits. Lyle's point is that despite each diet having inherent advantages, neither is the "best" independent of context.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/comparing-the-diets-part-4.html (http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/comparing-the-diets-part-4.html)

Also, I'm not sure how you could possibly stipulate from your chair over there what criteria I used to determine whether keto was effective or not. The fact is, I used specific subjective (satiety, energy levels, performance on certain cognitive tasks -- tasks I do all the time so I can tell the difference between diets) and objective measures (weight lost, rate of weight loss, body fat %, strength in the gym) to determine the diet's effectiveness.

That is insulin resistance/sensitivity and is not of concern to anybody that isnt morbidly obese (in gross terms).

I also did Keto, I know the diet, it had ZERO advantages, "science" supports my personal experience because body weight is NOT dependant on the type of macronutrients but ON ENERGY DEFICITS CREATED THROUGH CALORIC RESTRICTIONS (and hormones of course, but for the sake of this argument Im thinking a normally functioning individual).  At most, you can say high protein diets are marginally better because of what I already exposed, other than that, Keto is a fad.

Also, there is an article in Lyles site about the correlation between fat and carbohydrate consumption and fat and carbohydrate storage depending on the amount of intake of each.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Wiggs on January 13, 2013, 05:03:06 PM
They were in proportion to the rest of my physique

(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/183/wwwhe.jpg)
Taken the day after the first one.

Awesome physique.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Conker on January 13, 2013, 05:07:19 PM
Dude, thats why it works, you cant eat enough food and starve the fat/muscle off.

Just out of interest mate, what fed/class did you compete in , how did you do at national level?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: syntaxmachine on January 13, 2013, 05:56:56 PM
That is insulin resistance/sensitivity and is not of concern to anybody that isnt morbidly obese (in gross terms).

First of all, it's worth noting that this is a revised claim you're making. First you said ketosis has no inherent advantages; now you're saying these advantages are not notable except for morbidly obese persons.

Lyle and I disagree. I disagree because despite being a non-obese person, being in ketosis prevented me from getting severe urges to eat carbohydrates, something that always happens to me on low/moderate carbohydrate diets. Lyle files this under an inherent advantage of ketosis for "carb addicted" people. My experience fits into his explanations perfectly.

Lyle disagrees as well: in his review of a study on ketosis vs low-carb diets, Lyle states that "extreme carbohydrate restriction tends to help with stubborn lower body fat mobilization," something I already pointed out. I don't think it's fair to interpret that as only applying to morbidly obese persons; Lyle seems pretty clear that this is a widespread advantage for people who have certain stubborn body fat deposits, not just the obese.

In short, it's clear that the inherent advantages to ketosis mentioned by Lyle won't just affect obese persons; they will be enjoyed by most people with the specific characteristics listed.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/ketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-have-no-metabolic-advantage-over-nonketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-research-review.html (http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/ketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-have-no-metabolic-advantage-over-nonketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-research-review.html)

Finally, I think it is telling that for his "Rapid Fat Loss Handbook," Lyle prescribes a ketogenic diet. He describes the diet as a "nearly all protein affairs, with little to no dietary fat" and as "the safest and sanest way to lose fat quickly without sacrificing health (or muscle mass)."

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/the-rapid-fat-loss-handbook (http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/the-rapid-fat-loss-handbook)

I'm not sure why you're attempting to cite the author of "The Ketogenic Diet" for evidence that ketogenic diets have no inherent advantages over other sorts.

At most, you can say high protein diets are marginally better because of what I already exposed, other than that, Keto is a fad.

So even if we deny keto's inherent benefits (which I just argued can't be denied), it is liable to be better than other diets in virtue of its higher protein content, albeit "marginally" so. Combine this with the fact that ketosis does in fact have inherent benefits (as Lyle, I, and many competitors who serve as guinea pigs can attest) plus the scientific research indicating that low carb/keto diets result in the most favorable body composition changes in the short term, and it seems fair to say ketosis has significant, not marginal, benefits.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: cephissus on January 13, 2013, 06:04:16 PM
wiigs, please fuck off with the carbs cycling bullshit.

low energy on no carbs, what kinda bullshit is that?

the energy comes from the gear when doing this.

comeon, my strongest lifts were done while being on no carbs.

is gear a critical factor here?  what if no gear?

and why isn't anyone answering my question: is this type of eating viable for maintaining year-round condition in the high singles?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Metabolic on January 13, 2013, 06:08:08 PM
First of all, it's worth noting that this is a revised claim you're making. First you said ketosis has no inherent advantages; now you're saying these advantages are not notable except for morbidly obese persons.

Lyle and I disagree. I disagree because despite being a non-obese person, being in ketosis prevented me from getting severe urges to eat carbohydrates, something that always happens to me on low/moderate carbohydrate diets. Lyle files this under an inherent advantage of ketosis for "carb addicted" people. My experience fits into his explanations perfectly.

Lyle disagrees as well: in his review of a study on ketosis vs low-carb diets, Lyle states that "extreme carbohydrate restriction tends to help with stubborn lower body fat mobilization," something I already pointed out. I don't think it's fair to interpret that as only applying to morbidly obese persons; Lyle seems pretty clear that this is a widespread advantage for people who have certain stubborn body fat deposits, not just the obese.

In short, it's clear that the inherent advantages to ketosis mentioned by Lyle won't just affect obese persons; they will be enjoyed by most people with the specific characteristics listed.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/ketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-have-no-metabolic-advantage-over-nonketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-research-review.html (http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/ketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-have-no-metabolic-advantage-over-nonketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-research-review.html)

Finally, I think it is telling that for his "Rapid Fat Loss Handbook," Lyle prescribes a ketogenic diet. He describes the diet as a "nearly all protein affairs, with little to no dietary fat" and as "the safest and sanest way to lose fat quickly without sacrificing health (or muscle mass)."

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/the-rapid-fat-loss-handbook (http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/the-rapid-fat-loss-handbook)

I'm not sure why you're attempting to cite the author of "The Ketogenic Diet" for evidence that ketogenic diets have no inherent advantages over other sorts.

So even if we deny keto's inherent benefits (which I just argued can't be denied), it is liable to be better than other diets in virtue of its higher protein content, albeit "marginally" so. Combine this with the fact that ketosis does in fact have inherent benefits (as Lyle, I, and many competitors who serve as guinea pigs can attest) plus the scientific research indicating that low carb/keto diets result in the most favorable body composition changes in the short term, and it seems fair to say ketosis has significant, not marginal, benefits.
As you stated, its only marginally better in specific situations for people with specific conditions, in general, they are not.  I wasnt being clear, but yes, in general they are no better, except for the specific (rather uncommon situations).

Also, Lyle discusses a lot of topics, his Ultimate Diet is also a specification of his standard views, which he knows most people wont even be able to follow either way.  But I dont know if this is relevant.

The "vast" scientific evidence points in many directions, theres studies defending both sides and thats the worst part of this discussion, tons of contradicting evidence.

His rapid fat loss book is about protein, not really a ketogenic diet, but an extension of his 2x grams of protein per pound of bw in caloric restriction, which leads to the final point.

Fat loss occurs naturally only when in energy deficit be it through carb less diets or other diets.  That is the final point to this, and the advantages of high protein diets can be obtained withour being ketogenic, just lowering carbs and fats for more proteins in the diet, thats all you need to do.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: booty on January 13, 2013, 06:19:04 PM
Awesome physique.
X 2     Great work ukjeff. 


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 13, 2013, 06:25:33 PM
wiigs, please fuck off with the carbs cycling bullshit.

low energy on no carbs, what kinda bullshit is that?

the energy comes from the gear when doing this.

comeon, my strongest lifts were done while being on no carbs.

Wiggs Idea of Carb Cycling is eating an entire pizza every three days  ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: arce1988 on January 13, 2013, 06:29:52 PM
 :D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: cephissus on January 13, 2013, 06:33:03 PM
ofc you can, i do pretty much this deiting year round and im very very lean year round.
 
i allow myself very regular meals whener i want once im at my leanest, and just eat clean most of the time.

feeling full of energy and mentaly saturated, no problem at all.

i could even get way with more frequent cheating and stay sub 10% all year, but i prefer to not.

yes, i think peds are kind off essential for this.

this would probably even work better than whatever wiggs thinks will work(how would he know he hasnt been to the lean levels talked about here,hes cool guy and all, though).
yeah, just to give general idea on this, a whole pizza every 3 days will be no problem if once is very lean already and eats like suggested in op otherwise.

can you give an example of what you actually eat in an average day?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Mjolnir on January 13, 2013, 06:34:23 PM
is gear a critical factor here?  what if no gear?

and why isn't anyone answering my question: is this type of eating viable for maintaining year-round condition in the high singles?

I do the diet on no gear and it works as intended.  All I can ask the naysayers to do is TRY it and see how you go it's simple but not easy.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: The True Adonis on January 13, 2013, 06:35:09 PM
Wiggs Idea of Carb Cycling is eating an entire pizza every three days  ;D
Wiggs Idea of "Carb Cycling" is riding his moped to the liquor store on his lunch break every other day or until the Assistant Manager at Orange Julius notices.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 13, 2013, 06:36:38 PM
Wiggs Idea of "Carb Cycling" is riding his moped to the liquor store on his lunch break every other day or until the Assistant Manager at Orange Julius notices.

LOL


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 06:41:38 PM
is gear a critical factor here?  what if no gear?

and why isn't anyone answering my question: is this type of eating viable for maintaining year-round condition in the high singles?
Look bro getting to where you want is the tough part, hence do it the way I outlined now as for maintaining say 8% will be easier then getting there, you can take several approaches; daily low carbs or simply have a couple days no carbs followed by 1 day of carbs.

Actually believe this or not but having 2 no carb days and eating a whole pizza every 3 days will probably still keep you in single digits like galeniko said.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: cephissus on January 13, 2013, 06:48:40 PM
i never had a problem staying at 10% maybe even less.  i've always been quite lean.  however, carbs have always been a big part of my diet, along with pretty much everyone else in the US.  i never really ate "bodybuilding foods" exclusively; i've mostly counted calories and kept my macronutrient ratios within typical "bodybuilding" ranges.

since several people in this thread claim you can eat no or low carb diets year round, i want to know what you ACTUALLY DO eat year round.  i hate thinking up stuff to eat in the first place, but when you eliminate carbs from the process all i can envision is plate after plate of meat...  how do you prepare that, how do you make it tolerable?  i can't just eat lbs of plain meat and egg whites day in and day out.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: arce1988 on January 13, 2013, 06:58:16 PM
well, theres no easy way to get shredded.

hunger will be your shadow.

satiety from veggies and water will be as good as it gets.


Boom


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 13, 2013, 06:59:43 PM
i never had a problem staying at 10% maybe even less.  i've always been quite lean.  however, carbs have always been a big part of my diet, along with pretty much everyone else in the US.  i never really ate "bodybuilding foods" exclusively; i've mostly counted calories and kept my macronutrient ratios within typical "bodybuilding" ranges.

since several people in this thread claim you can eat no or low carb diets year round, i want to know what you ACTUALLY DO eat year round.  i hate thinking up stuff to eat in the first place, but when you eliminate carbs from the process all i can envision is plate after plate of meat...  how do you prepare that, how do you make it tolerable?  i can't just eat lbs of plain meat and egg whites day in and day out.

if you have no problem staying sub 10 i wouldn't worry about it dude.

I approve this diet on the simplicity factor...If I'm dieting , and not getting the results I want and i'm eating rice, potatoes, granola , Oats, waxy maize, etc...along with my lean protein, green veggies and limited fat intake..now i don't know what to blame. am i holding water from sodium somewhere, is my body storing excess carbs as fat? am i having a reaction to something?..is it a combination of these things?  too many variables


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 07:01:35 PM
i never had a problem staying at 10% maybe even less.  i've always been quite lean.  however, carbs have always been a big part of my diet... along with pretty much everyone else in the US.  i never really ate "bodybuilding foods" exclusively; i've mostly counted calories and kept my macronutrient ratios within typical "bodybuilding" ranges.

since several people in this thread claim you can eat no or low carb diets year round, i want to know what you ACTUALLY DO eat year round.  i hate thinking up stuff to eat in the first place, but when you eliminate carbs from the process all i can envision is plate after plate of meat...  how do you prepare that, how do you make it tolerable?  i can't just eat lbs of plain meat and egg whites day in and day out.
We owe you some no carb meals  :)

My favorite; Take a giant topper wear, Cut up 1lb of chicken breast, a full tomato and some romaine lettuce, green peppers and some cucumbers, splash some ms dash and hit up 2 table spoons of 5 calorie per serving dressing, close the lid, shake and you have 2 wonderful meals  ;)

Take talipia fish with some lemon and some asparugus and some diet ginger ale

Hard boiled egg whites mixed with very lean ground beef and brocoli, tastes awesome bro

Shrimp kebobs with green peppers and mushrooms

Turkey breast and green beans

Chicken breast and brocoli with cottage chees.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: arce1988 on January 13, 2013, 07:03:30 PM
  OTH that is great   but it becomes too $    I wish I could eat Kobe Beef and Jumbo Shrimp all day long   but not in this economy


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: arce1988 on January 13, 2013, 07:06:05 PM
  Long life to you Galeniko


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: flinstones1 on January 13, 2013, 07:09:03 PM
 OTH that is great   but it becomes too $    I wish I could eat Kobe Beef and Jumbo Shrimp all day long   but not in this economy

12 eggs per day- $1.50
1 pound of beef - $5.00
1 pound of fish -  $7.00 (you can find flounder or cod for 7.00 a pound and use cheap cuts for steak)



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 07:09:44 PM
isnt it cute when women look for that non existant easy way out? ;D

thx for that, i could need some alternatives in my rather pale diet :D
Hey no problem, love the kebob with just veggies and meat, it plays a tricks on you, if it was on a plate I don't like it but when it's a kebob it's tastes better psycologically, lol I swear  :D

 OTH that is great   but it becomes too $    I wish I could eat Kobe Beef and Jumbo Shrimp all day long   but not in this economy
Yes can get pricey but it's worth it, remember only 10 weeks right :)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: cephissus on January 13, 2013, 07:11:30 PM
thanks for the examples, OTH and gal.  how do you guys prepare meat... in the frying pan, oven, or barbecue?  how much at once?  how long do you store it for?

these days i usually buy about 2 lbs at once, fry it in a pan, and then store in tupperware.  that lasts me two days.  kind of a pain, even this small quantity.

galeniko, what vegetables do you eat, and how do you prepare them?  i couldn't imagine eating 3-5 lbs each day... i barely eat them at all because all i can think of is broccoli, which you have to boil, takes forever, total pain imo.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 07:11:46 PM
12 eggs per day- $1.50
1 pound of beef - $5.00
1 pound of fish -  $7.00 (you can find flounder or cod for 7.00 a pound and use cheap cuts for steak)


;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: arce1988 on January 13, 2013, 07:12:19 PM
 Yep  trust me  I love to spend 100 per day on food   the good old days   eat clean and be happy because of the way you can eat on that kind of budget   :)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: flinstones1 on January 13, 2013, 07:24:43 PM
Ive never had the balls to get shredded. I just dont give a fuck....of course im scared deep down and dont have the balls to suffer but with time i just stopped caring.

f your not competing whats the point to be that lean? loose 20 pounds of tissue that took your 10 months to build ....look stringy in clothes......sex dive go to shit.....be my guest you homos.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: njflex on January 13, 2013, 07:39:08 PM
cool thread,,good info,good pics,,,been on both ends of the spectrum keeping a lean build for training and everyday life and staying in shape,,and did some show's in 90's and learned what it means to suffer,dry out to the point your lips are chapped,skin feels like it hurts when ur posing but all for the sake of a trophy and 90 seconds of pleasure posing to a bad song choice,,,


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: AVBG on January 13, 2013, 07:40:36 PM
Great thread! This works!


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: cephissus on January 13, 2013, 07:45:53 PM
i do it cheap way, using deep frozen veggies 2lbs a pack.cooked with nothing i just put them into the pan frozen, then some pepper and salt and the meat that i previously cooked.annd 10minutes later,the meal is done and frankly, it tastes much better than many meals at the chinese restaraunt.

i prepare about 6lbs meat every couple days, and kkeep it in fridge and just warm it up with the frozen veggies.

when im in a hurry i just have a can of green beans with couple chicken breasts and pepper on it.

its really not as bad as ppl think, i look forward to my meals.

sometimes i put yoghurt on them or cottage cheese.

thanks!

so when you make the 6 lbs.  do you fry it? or what?

the problem i have with cooking chicken (which is what i mostly eat) is it's quite nasty if undercooked, so i have to make sure it's fully cooked.  easiest way to do this, i've found, is medium heat and thin slices (if you put the heat too high, the whole thing turns out awful; if it's too thick, it can take FOREVER to cook).  you can buy thin sliced chicken breast, or sometimes i cut up from a larger breast by hand, but then i can only fit about 1lb of meat (cut into these thin strips) into the pan at once.  so i have to cook it one lb at a time, which takes forever!


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 07:46:42 PM
Great thread! This works!
:)awesome thanks

cool thread,,good info,good pics,,,been on both ends of the spectrum keeping a lean build for training and everyday life and staying in shape,,and did some show's in 90's and learned what it means to suffer,dry out to the point your lips are chapped,skin feels like it hurts when ur posing but all for the sake of a trophy and 90 seconds of pleasure posing to a bad song choice,,,
Always good posts NJ  8)

but when very lean and entering the beach, there will be this sudden silence and wetting of bikinis.

when out clubbing and very lean and in tank top, there will be these female stares "right here right now" which they cant help themselves to hide.

lighter bodyweight means leaner face, another extra for the whores.

also not so fast gassing out, out of breath.

as for the sex drive, thats nothing that bit hrt and cialis wont fix.

 8)
LMAO, so true^^^^  ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: snx on January 13, 2013, 07:51:31 PM
As to Arce, who asked about $$. Where I live, I've been able to buy pork tenderloin for about $3/lb. It has less fat than boneless skinless chicken breast. So when I see those prices, I stock up like a bandit.

Cooking it is easy:

Mix together a bunch of spices (pepper, pepper flakes, rosemary, basil, oregano, marjoram, chives, salt, worcester sauce). Rub the spice rub on the meat. Wrap the meat loosely in tinfoil. Put on bbq on lowest heat, on the top rack (where you usually cook the buns), and let it sit until you reach 150 degrees in the middle. Don't put the pork on direct heat...there's no fat in it, so it wants to dry out very easily. Done perfectly.  Usually add onions and carrots to the wrap, and you get all your veggies too.

When I'm feeling very frisky for good food, I pair it with this:

Mix up some fat-free plain greek yogurt, dill, lemon juice, garlic and shredded cucumber...homemade tzatziki (sp?). It's basically just protein, and the tiniest bit of carbs. You don't need more than a 1/4 cup with your meal, so it doesn't add much except protein to the meal.

You have no idea how often I turn to this meal when dieting. At least 2-3 days worth. I always love it. No carbs (except the onions and carrots, and a bit of yogurt).

Know what else helps? Those little packets of powdered gravy, that you add water to. You'd be surprised how few calories there are in those things. I'm not saying go hog wild on them...but maybe when you need it, break out a little gravy and add to the chicken. It's good.

But I'm going to remember the galeniko quote which is epic: when dieting, hunger will be your shadow!

Also, try this in morning on your egg whites only breakfast: try melting a slice of kraft fat-free cheese slice on your egg whites. Has 5g protein, 1g carbs, no fat. So basically, it's like another big egg white. And it really helps the egg whites taste good. That, or salsa, which I eat a lot of when dieting for a show (no cals pretty much, and makes everything taste better).



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: njflex on January 13, 2013, 07:51:40 PM
hamdullah has always looked like a skinned cat,,,but at 50 he is as big as his prime and same or close razor condition... :o....  8),,,


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 07:55:29 PM
Dude,..I just ate a 0.80 lb ribeye after shooting some ghrp6 and I already feel full. Have no idea how people would chow down 2lbs of chicken or meat a day.
That is precisely my point brother, thank you for keeping it real.

See fellows, this is exactly what I am talking about when I say eat unlimited amount of protein.  Eat protein till you drop every day and guess what? it won't amount to much at all.

A rule of thumb for chicken breast (of course depends how cooked) on averag a gram of chicken breast = 1 calorie

1 kilo of chicken breast is enormous amounts of protein and that is only 1000 calories.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: cephissus on January 13, 2013, 07:55:38 PM
As to Arce, who asked about $$. Where I live, I've been able to buy pork tenderloin for about $3/lb. It has less fat than boneless skinless chicken breast. So when I see those prices, I stock up like a bandit.

Cooking it is easy:

Mix together a bunch of spices (pepper, pepper flakes, rosemary, basil, oregano, marjoram, chives, salt, worcester sauce). Rub the spice rub on the meat. Wrap the meat loosely in tinfoil. Put on bbq on lowest heat, on the top rack (where you usually cook the buns), and let it sit until you reach 150 degrees in the middle. Don't put the pork on direct heat...there's no fat in it, so it wants to dry out very easily. Done perfectly.  Usually add onions and carrots to the wrap, and you get all your veggies too.

When I'm feeling very frisky for good food, I pair it with this:

Mix up some fat-free plain greek yogurt, dill, lemon juice, garlic and shredded cucumber...homemade tzatziki (sp?). It's basically just protein, and the tiniest bit of carbs. You don't need more than a 1/4 cup with your meal, so it doesn't add much except protein to the meal.

You have no idea how often I turn to this meal when dieting. At least 2-3 days worth. I always love it. No carbs (except the onions and carrots, and a bit of yogurt).

Know what else helps? Those little packets of powdered gravy, that you add water to. You'd be surprised how few calories there are in those things. I'm not saying go hog wild on them...but maybe when you need it, break out a little gravy and add to the chicken. It's good.

But I'm going to remember the galeniko quote which is epic: when dieting, hunger will be your shadow!

Also, try this in morning on your egg whites only breakfast: try melting a slice of kraft fat-free cheese slice on your egg whites. Has 5g protein, 1g carbs, no fat. So basically, it's like another big egg white. And it really helps the egg whites taste good. That, or salsa, which I eat a lot of when dieting for a show (no cals pretty much, and makes everything taste better).



:o

great post!

can you use the same spices on chicken?  i'm not a big user of pork loin.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 07:57:19 PM
thanks!

so when you make the 6 lbs.  do you fry it? or what?

the problem i have with cooking chicken (which is what i mostly eat) is it's quite nasty if undercooked, so i have to make sure it's fully cooked.  easiest way to do this, i've found, is medium heat and thin slices (if you put the heat too high, the whole thing turns out awful; if it's too thick, it can take FOREVER to cook).  you can buy thin sliced chicken breast, or sometimes i cut up from a larger breast by hand, but then i can only fit about 1lb of meat (cut into these thin strips) into the pan at once.  so i have to cook it one lb at a time, which takes forever!
I boil my chicken breast and that way it ain't so dry either and weighs more. A better filler I find. Try it


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 07:59:51 PM
As to Arce, who asked about $$. Where I live, I've been able to buy pork tenderloin for about $3/lb. It has less fat than boneless skinless chicken breast. So when I see those prices, I stock up like a bandit.

Cooking it is easy:

Mix together a bunch of spices (pepper, pepper flakes, rosemary, basil, oregano, marjoram, chives, salt, worcester sauce). Rub the spice rub on the meat. Wrap the meat loosely in tinfoil. Put on bbq on lowest heat, on the top rack (where you usually cook the buns), and let it sit until you reach 150 degrees in the middle. Don't put the pork on direct heat...there's no fat in it, so it wants to dry out very easily. Done perfectly.  Usually add onions and carrots to the wrap, and you get all your veggies too.

When I'm feeling very frisky for good food, I pair it with this:

Mix up some fat-free plain greek yogurt, dill, lemon juice, garlic and shredded cucumber...homemade tzatziki (sp?). It's basically just protein, and the tiniest bit of carbs. You don't need more than a 1/4 cup with your meal, so it doesn't add much except protein to the meal.

You have no idea how often I turn to this meal when dieting. At least 2-3 days worth. I always love it. No carbs (except the onions and carrots, and a bit of yogurt).

Know what else helps? Those little packets of powdered gravy, that you add water to. You'd be surprised how few calories there are in those things. I'm not saying go hog wild on them...but maybe when you need it, break out a little gravy and add to the chicken. It's good.

But I'm going to remember the galeniko quote which is epic: when dieting, hunger will be your shadow!

Also, try this in morning on your egg whites only breakfast: try melting a slice of kraft fat-free cheese slice on your egg whites. Has 5g protein, 1g carbs, no fat. So basically, it's like another big egg white. And it really helps the egg whites taste good. That, or salsa, which I eat a lot of when dieting for a show (no cals pretty much, and makes everything taste better).


Great post bro, very informative for cephissus ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 13, 2013, 08:01:36 PM
thanks!

so when you make the 6 lbs.  do you fry it? or what?

the problem i have with cooking chicken (which is what i mostly eat) is it's quite nasty if undercooked, so i have to make sure it's fully cooked.  easiest way to do this, i've found, is medium heat and thin slices (if you put the heat too high, the whole thing turns out awful; if it's too thick, it can take FOREVER to cook).  you can buy thin sliced chicken breast, or sometimes i cut up from a larger breast by hand, but then i can only fit about 1lb of meat (cut into these thin strips) into the pan at once.  so i have to cook it one lb at a time, which takes forever!

buy another pan...LOL, your oven can fit two.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 08:02:55 PM
comeon, he has striated glutes and look at the arms details in rear double biceps.

the brachialis is like about to pop out.

here is a guy who also does  low carb dieting.

maybe this is impressive enough for you:

(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/hamdi.png)
Love this guy, he is a freak and honestly one of the greatest bodybuilder of all time,period. WOW.



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: AVBG on January 13, 2013, 08:05:10 PM
refeed days are ok to maintain a low bfat level, i wouldnt do them to get lean, they just make the diet last longer than needed.

oh and i wouldnt recommend whole refeed days, unless maybe for contest prep, frequent single cheat meals are good enough.

I've been eating like this since 2008 and usually do 2-3 refeed meals a week. Always the last meals of the day mostly on wednesdays and sundays.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 08:07:49 PM
refeed days are ok to maintain a low bfat level, i wouldnt do them to get lean, they just make the diet last longer than needed.

oh and i wouldnt recommend whole refeed days, unless maybe for contest prep, frequent single cheat meals are good enough.
I am in agreement and I personal like refeed meals instead of days as well, but for the sake of simplicity and not making this diet too hard  ;)  I did an outline for carb load days but like Galeniko said, carb meals once in a while is a better approach.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 08:08:20 PM
I've been eating like this since 2008 and usually do 2-3 refeed meals a week. Always the last meals of the day mostly on wednesdays and sundays.
Perfect^^^^


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: snx on January 13, 2013, 08:15:21 PM
:o

great post!

can you use the same spices on chicken?  i'm not a big user of pork loin.

Absolutely. I use that spice rub on chicken a lot.

Here's another one I use on chicken that tastes really good (I cook the same way...in the tinfoil with veggies...but you have to cook to a bit higher internal heat with chicken, of course):

A bit of mustard so the spices make a paste
Cumin
Chili powder
cayenne pepper
pepper
salt
tumeric
coriander seeds

I rub the spice on the chicken, add to my tinfoil with onions, carrots, peppers and sometimes broccoli. Delicious. And the tinfoil catches the juice from the chicken, which makes a nice sauce on the veggies.

I also do this one for flank steak, when you're allowed to have some calories from the fat in the steak:

In a ziploc bag, add a big flank steak (trust me...flanks works perfect here), some garlic, some ginger, some soy sauce, a tiny bit of sesame oil (just a bit adds the taste you need) and a bit of orange juice. Let the steak marinate for a few hours.

Then, take the steak out, and put on a fucking killer hot bbq grill on direct heat. 5 minutes, the flip. 4 minutes on the other side, then kill the heat, let the lid stay closed for 3 minutes, then pull it off the grill. Let the meat sit for about 5 mins. Then, take a very sharp knife and just cut very thin slices. You will think you died and went to heaven...it's ridiculously good. When I'm allowing myself a bit of naughty food, I take the marinade that's left over, and put it in a pot and boil the living hell out of it until it reduces to a thick sauce. Then, you spoon a tiny bit of it (not too much...very powerful flavor and it can overpower the good steak you bought) on the meat. You will thank me when you try this. A fellow bb'er passed this recipe along to me, and I'm just paying it forward. I love it. Problem is finding flank steak (not a popular cut in the meat section, so you to go to  the counter and I often forget). And then when you go the counter, you're not getting it cheap. It's about 9-10 bucks/lb, give or take. So it can be a special occasion thing. You can feed this to a vegetarian and they will thank you.






Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: cephissus on January 13, 2013, 08:16:51 PM
buy another pan...LOL, your oven can fit two.

;D

good point

gal, what spices do you use for your chicken?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: cephissus on January 13, 2013, 08:26:43 PM
wow, i love when i get such compliment from women, this always means in real life terms that they want to choke on the sausage.

i dont know the english term, its all german names in the shop here, but i simply buy the whole lot thats available.

yes, one piece of every spice out of the whole shelve.

LOL great strategy... also thanks for the recipes SNX.

I never really spiced my foods much unless I was making something from a recipe, and in that case i'm just mindlessly following instructions.  So, I have a lot to learn in that regard.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 13, 2013, 08:28:29 PM
Hey you guys won't believe this but this is the bomb; Take 10 hard boiled eggs and montreal steak spice, swear you will love it, some green peppers on the side with sugar free tang, BOMB bro.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 13, 2013, 08:32:21 PM
wow, i love when i get such compliment from women, this always means in real life terms that they want to choke on the sausage.

i dont know the english term, its all german names in the shop here, but i simply buy the whole lot thats available.

yes, one piece of every spice out of the whole shelve.

I legit LOLed  ;D. and you are soooooo right it's not even funny.  ;)



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: a_ahmed on January 13, 2013, 09:30:24 PM
comeon, he has striated glutes and look at the arms details in rear double biceps.

the brachialis is like about to pop out.

here is a guy who also does  low carb dieting.

maybe this is impressive enough for you:

(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/hamdi.png)

perfect physique and i mean perfect.

For the haters, screw off, honestly oth has given good advices.

I kind of figured out myself as well that eating a certain amount of protein daily and upping or lowering carbs based on goals is what needs to be done... i just took his encouragement to throw in cardio, and lower my carbs further. I've played around and listened to his advices and with effort come results!

I am looking better all the time, i am tall so i dont want to lose more mass so ive switched from a cut to a recomp, but i will switch back and forth from recomp cut recomp cut (alternating carbs) until i get to my bulk.

I'm looking better all the time and oth's advices are good to go. Others tell me I am getting better looking too. I barely lost strength considering i'm 13lbs lighter now. Once I get into a bulk i'll be stronger than I ever was, its all worth it.

Without some suffering no one can get the results, thats why ppl 'give up'. I am not a giver upper.

:)

I keep my nutrition simple without any actually calculating EXCEPT measuring out the meat and rice in grams. I keep my chicken breast grilled 1kg every day. The brown rice each meal i alternate, but now i dont go beyond 150g, at most 100g, and if i feel no need i even dont eat the brown rice just always eat the salad/veggies.

I also try to always shuvel the carbs pre and intra workout. Seems to work best.

I am continuing to lean and am gradually putting quality mass on.

OTH is a busy guy so he's not watching me step by step or advising me step by step, but whatever he's outlined in this thread he gave to me as well and its great info.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 13, 2013, 11:44:40 PM
Quote
so tell, how near to that do you stay year round with your carb intake?
I am 47 now so I am not as strict with my diet, back then I basically ate what I wanted and didn't go more than 10lbs over my show weight, carbs and all, I just kept an eye on the mirror and if I started smoothing out I cut back a bit.



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: cephissus on January 14, 2013, 12:47:07 AM
i ate prob 8 oz chicken with the cayenne/chili/tumeric etc. seasoning snx posted, plus 1 lb frozen vegetables as galeniko suggested.  i felt like i was eating for an eternity but them felt hungry a half hour later.  i'm holding out tho, and the hunger is going away a bit.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: BigCyp on January 14, 2013, 03:15:37 AM
OP reliving memories of the One Time he got Hard for a contest


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: snx on January 14, 2013, 06:36:24 AM
i ate prob 8 oz chicken with the cayenne/chili/tumeric etc. seasoning snx posted, plus 1 lb frozen vegetables as galeniko suggested.  i felt like i was eating for an eternity but them felt hungry a half hour later.  i'm holding out tho, and the hunger is going away a bit.


How was the taste? Grill it up in the tinfoil wrapped tray?

Forgot to give you an extra secret for the sauce, if you want.

Capture the drippings from the foil boat, and put them in a pot. Then, mix a teaspoon of corn starch with about 1/8 cup of water. Mix it up good, then add to the pot (very important not to add the corn starch directly to the boiling pot...you'll just get lumps of corn starch). Heat it up to a gentle boil. The sauce will thicken up nice, and you'll have a poor man's curry sauce. Again...if you're just starting, you probably don't need fancy sauces. But as the diet drags on, it can provide a tiny bit of relief. 1 tsp of corn starch has 5g of carbs, give or take. But if you grill up enough chicken, it should make enough sauce for 2-3 meals, so negligible carbs. You'll burn them off breathing as you eat your meals!

Again, it's the little things.

Diet is about two things, in my mind: pain, and consistency. The longer you can deal with the hunger pangs and be consistent, the faster you get to your goal. If a bit of guilt-free sauce is the difference between cheating or not cheating, it's worth it in my mind. We all have our breaking point. You know yours, so pull the trigger when you need it. But try to save if for when you're desperate, so you feel like you're treating yourself. That's always a welcome relief from the hunger demons.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: deceiver on January 14, 2013, 07:13:11 AM
i do it cheap way, using deep frozen veggies 2lbs a pack.cooked with nothing i just put them into the pan frozen, then some pepper and salt and the meat that i previously cooked.annd 10minutes later,the meal is done and frankly, it tastes much better than many meals at the chinese restaraunt.

i prepare about 6lbs meat every couple days, and kkeep it in fridge and just warm it up with the frozen veggies.

when im in a hurry i just have a can of green beans with couple chicken breasts and pepper on it.

its really not as bad as ppl think, i look forward to my meals.

sometimes i put yoghurt on them or cottage cheese.
samo to you brother 8)

Same here pretty much. Exactly same approach.

BTW OTS - is adding some AI to 50mg prop eod (I hammer tren, planning to go up to 150mg eod) an overkill? Carbs are low, water intake is fine but I still tend to get bloated in the face and stomach. I am way leaner than this, after spending whole night partying (no alcohol or food, just moving around a lot) I woke up like 10% leaner than I am right now.

I hold like 1-2kg of extra water (compared to natural, not dehydrated).


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: snx on January 14, 2013, 07:24:57 AM
Same here pretty much. Exactly same approach.

BTW OTS - is adding some AI to 50mg prop eod (I hammer tren, planning to go up to 150mg eod) an overkill? Carbs are low, water intake is fine but I still tend to get bloated in the face and stomach. I am way leaner than this, after spending whole night partying (no alcohol or food, just moving around a lot) I woke up like 10% leaner than I am right now.

I hold like 1-2kg of extra water (compared to natural, not dehydrated).

I know this isn't a popular choice, but I found the most effective AI for me was Cytadren. That shit was crazy effective at killing water. My two cents...take about 250 to 500mgs/day for last three weeks before the show, and it's like magic. I can cruise into the show on A-bombs and sustanon and wipe out tons of water with it (I did this once when my source dried up and I had to use what I had on hand). A diazide every hour for the last 24 hrs before the show, and the water is gone.

Just one guys experience on what worked. Most guys don't use Cytadren, from what I've heard.

I don't get up into that 2g/day range where guys are trying to kill cortisol though. That's a whole different ballgame.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: a_ahmed on January 14, 2013, 09:53:41 AM
One tip I give a lot of people is cook all meals for the day at once.

As far as chicken is concerned, I get it grilled (electric grill like a foreman that drips oil/fat down). I use LOTS of cayenne/hot pepper so even if its cold it tastes 'hot' haha... So I divide 250g per two skewers, so for 4 whole meals, that's 1kg of lean chicken breast on skewers. Get em in containers. Takes about half an hour for cutting, marinating, grilling.

For carbs, I steam cook brown rice with garlic and some other stuff, takes only half an hour. I then measure out in containers my intended brown rice in grams. So now a days 150g per meal cooked brown rice.

Veggies, just stack a box full of sliced and diced parcley, tomatoes, onion, and a few other things and mix with vinegar.

The brown rice i was going up to 300g per meal when i was in bulk mode... but i will go now even without any or down to 100g. I started at 300, then 250, then 200 for some time as per OTH telling me to drop them carbs. I am averaging at 150 and 100 per meal now.

Anyways this is the only 'calculating' i do.. so i know i get same amount of meat every day and just up or down the carbs. I never look for calories anymore as I used to (too damn complicated and time consumming). I just kind of found a 'zone' where i know what i need.

Super easy to maintain, super easy to make, etc... etc...


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: njflex on January 14, 2013, 10:31:40 AM
nice thread again,,i pretty much do what is said here day in and out,,,,lot of salad,veggies,, carbs are rice/oats...couple slices good grain bread and lots of good protein,,2 shakes or protein mixed with oats or cereal and then some whey mixed with greek yogurt,,if i was cutting real har i would cut back or reduce some of the additional carbs or milk product,,,


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 14, 2013, 11:30:03 AM
Quote
I get it grilled (electric grill like a foreman that drips oil/fat down)
I used to use a George foreman grill, I didnt lose any weight, I blame the delicious gravy it makes.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on January 14, 2013, 12:08:47 PM
I have been around bro, been getting people to contest shape forever and many have challenged this and they come back and say, "you know your right after 3lb of chicken breast I was ready to throw up. Your body can not and will not allow this much.

What happens if you eat to much protein you will have the runs. Think about it, 3 pounds of chicken breast is a measly 1300 calories. Eat 5 lb and it will not be absorbed, will come out the other end, it is impossible to over eat in calories on protein only.

Haha, seems everything gives you the runs.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on January 14, 2013, 12:21:49 PM
I doubt he was even truly hungry.  The stimilus around is what makes you hungry.  I can eat a big meal and then see a commercial of some juicy burger or pizza then be "hungry"  but it is not hunger. Just cravings.  Usually a little dip or a cup of coffee kills this.


just hold through,man.up the chicken to 15 oz at once, do away with the so and so much protein per meal. 8)


up the frozen vegies amount if needed, but the above meal every couple hours will do.

the hunger after a while, kill it with diet coke or water, or having a walk.itll go away after 30 minutes or so.

if you can manage to be hunrgy for an hour before every meal, youre set.

you know, even eating before hungry will cause fatloss at 10% for me, but waiting will do it faster.

you will feel bit bad for 2-3 days and then sudenly everything will be fine.

you might feel a bit flat at times, but thats part of it.its werid, the leaner i get the less flat i feel.
the bit additional propionate is very good imo.

ai's i never take, thats why i get random watwer retention at times, which comes and goes randomly, but i dont mind that. 8)

i will try letrozole one day, just bc its the strongest one on paper, gotta try that out 8)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: sceagacros on January 14, 2013, 12:24:16 PM
I spent the better part of my lifting years as a natural "perma-bulker" reaching a bloated 20%BF 270lbs at my heaviest. I am 45 years old now with different priorities and I eat very little , take steroids, lift lighter but more volume and frequency and I am a very fit , muscular 200 lbs. I get comments from women all the time now, when I was bigger I got comments from guys. I look good in clothes now where as before I looked "beefy" at best when clothed LOL. Naked? No contest roids+starvation= amazing.....In the interest of full disclosure My goals do not most likely reflect most other getbiggers...


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: arce1988 on January 14, 2013, 03:26:05 PM
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/hamdi.png)


  Still ripped


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 14, 2013, 03:29:49 PM
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/hamdi.png)


  Still ripped

Genetically a very lean, dry person swimming in tren and GH. he probably started out leaner than most people can get.

lucky bastard  ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: arce1988 on January 14, 2013, 03:55:27 PM
  Yep  ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: a_ahmed on January 14, 2013, 06:12:50 PM
galeniko is that you though? I know you posted the pic but you're refering to the guy in the third person lol. Hard to tell your face from the avatar side pic. It APPEARS similar build, and appears similar older grey hair haha


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 14, 2013, 09:25:13 PM
galeniko is that you though? I know you posted the pic but you're refering to the guy in the third person lol. Hard to tell your face from the avatar side pic. It APPEARS similar build, and appears similar older grey hair haha
Actually I can see galeniko looking like that guy if he went ALL OUT. Welcome to the thread Ahmed, you are a proven warrior when it comes to dieting.


So UKjeff and Wiggs played Devils advocate and brought up some valid points and we had some fun debating  ;) .... have come to good terms in this thread, UKjeff has an awesome physique BTW,.............

So the only 2 losers in this entire thread are TA and BikiniSlut, everyone else loves this thread, thanks, will put everything together on the first page tomorrow, also may put some optional juice protocols (mild ones of course) but not sure if this would be inapropriate in this thread, do not want the thread removed, so will skip this if that is the case.

Also will come with more meal plans for cephissus, you know we got your back bro  8)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: BikiniSlut on January 14, 2013, 09:36:28 PM
Actually I can see galeniko looking like that guy if he went ALL OUT. Welcome to the thread Ahmed, you are a proven warrior when it comes to dieting.


So UKjeff and Wiggs played Devils advocate and brought up some valid points and we had some fun debating  ;) .... have come to good terms in this thread, UKjeff has an awesome physique BTW,.............

So the only 2 losers in this entire thread are TA and BikiniSlut, everyone else loves this thread, thanks, will put everything together on the first page tomorrow, also may put some optional juice protocols (mild ones of course) but not sure if this would be inapropriate in this thread, do not want the thread removed, so will skip this if that is the case.

Also will come with more meal plans for cephissus, you know we got your back bro  8)

I never said anyting about not liking this thread. Why do you make up lies? Does it make yourself feel better by putting others down?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 14, 2013, 09:46:18 PM
I never said anyting about not liking this thread. Why do you make up lies? Does it make yourself feel better by putting others down?
You said this thread is stupid so stop lying, I don't make up anything, I am very honest but hey now that I got your attention I been meaning to ask you what city you are from in Ontario or are you from Quebec?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: booty on January 14, 2013, 09:53:28 PM
It's always good to have debates and different opinions on what works for people.  Personally I like the carb cycling.  I have tried having no carbs and all it did was lower my metabolic rate to the point where I wasn't dropping bodyfat.  When I did the carb cycling I lost an extra 5 kilos in bodyfat and people were asking what I was doing differently because I looked alot better. 


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 14, 2013, 10:04:44 PM
It's always good to have debates and different opinions on what works for people.  Personally I like the carb cycling.  I have tried having no carbs and all it did was lower my metabolic rate to the point where I wasn't dropping bodyfat.  When I did the carb cycling I lost an extra 5 kilos in bodyfat and people were asking what I was doing differently because I looked alot better. 
I understand your point but I must point out a flaw in your post, you said your metabolism slowed down to the point where you were not losing bodyfat on no carbs, this is 100% impossible if you have your fats capped at 40 grams max per day. That is the beauty of a no carb diet while your fat macros are capped off at 40 there is NO SUCH THING AS A PLATEAU, IT SIMPLY IS NOT PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE TO PLATEAU.

Put it this way, you can have the slowest metabolism in the world and still lose bodyfat on no carbs, in fact metabolism is absolutely irrelevant on a no carb diet assuming your fat content is limited.

Now having said that if true that you did not burn any more fat it was because your fat intake was to high not because your metabolism slowed down.

If you want a further explanation, I will if you do not understand what I am saying about "metabolism"


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Shockwave on January 14, 2013, 10:05:22 PM
Eat less, exercise more.

/thread


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: BikiniSlut on January 14, 2013, 10:29:33 PM
You said this thread is stupid so stop lying, I don't make up anything, I am very honest but hey now that I got your attention I been meaning to ask you what city you are from in Ontario or are you from Quebec?

Again never said this thread was stupid. Is there stupidity in the thread????? Oh yes....and lots of it coming from you.

You post common sense but yet try to take credit for it like you are the person that came up with the very idea of it. Many ways to get lean quickly my friend.

I'm from Alberta.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 14, 2013, 10:44:55 PM
Again never said this thread was stupid. Is there stupidity in the thread????? Oh yes....and lots of it coming from you.

You post common sense but yet try to take credit for it like you are the person that came up with the very idea of it. Many ways to get lean quickly my friend.

I'm from Alberta.
What exactly have I said that you find stupid? and only an idiot would believe that they came up with concepts, I would never take credit for coming up with this shit. People have been doing this for years, long before I was around.

I said a million times there are plenty of ways to skin a cat but this is the absolutely fastest way to lose fat while maintaining your muscle, this can not be argued with. You said you can lose 50 lb too by puking OK fine I believe you but you will also lose so much muscle. The method I outlined is the fastest way without losing muscle.

If you think there is a faster way, let's hear it right here right now and let's see if our audience will agree with you the way that everyone on this thread has agreed with me EXCEPT FOR YOU AND TA. Look I am not out here to argue, you are challenging me so bring your formulas and stop talking baloney we want something that will produce results, let us hear what you have to say, if not ZIP IT, SIMPLE AS THAT.

And I would not point fingers at people putting people down, you are king (or queen in this case) at this. You are always dissing people around. At least I can thank you for answering where you are from though,  I enjoy having fellow Canadians on getbig, for some reason I thought you were from Ontario, my bad.



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: booty on January 14, 2013, 11:15:08 PM
I understand your point but I must point out a flaw in your post, you said your metabolism slowed down to the point where you were not losing bodyfat on no carbs, this is 100% impossible if you have your fats capped at 40 grams max per day. That is the beauty of a no carb diet while your fat macros are capped off at 40 there is NO SUCH THING AS A PLATEAU, IT SIMPLY IS NOT PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE TO PLATEAU.

Put it this way, you can have the slowest metabolism in the world and still lose bodyfat on no carbs, in fact metabolism is absolutely irrelevant on a no carb diet assuming your fat content is limited.

Now having said that if true that you did not burn any more fat it was because your fat intake was to high not because your metabolism slowed down.

If you want a further explanation, I will if you do not understand what I am saying about "metabolism"
I was basically starving myself on the no carb diet and my metabolic rate had come to a complete halt.  I wasn't eating too many fats, in fact they were on the low side.  I competed as a natty and wasn't taking caffeine or fat burners.  I like flaxseed oil and fats in salmon etc but I wouldn't want to consume a high fat diet.  I do like carb cycling and I found it really sped my metabolic rate up and worked for me. 


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 14, 2013, 11:16:18 PM
I was basically starving myself on the no carb diet and my metabolic rate had come to a complete halt.  I wasn't eating too many fats, in fact they were on the low side.  I competed as a natty and wasn't taking caffeine or fat burners.  I like flaxseed oil and fats in salmon etc but I wouldn't want to consume a high fat diet.  I do like carb cycling and I found it really sped my metabolic rate up and worked for me. 

Lets cook for each other?  I can make amazing Italian food for you. 



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: booty on January 14, 2013, 11:21:04 PM
Lets cook for each other?  I can make amazing Italian food for you. 


Italian food suits my body as well.  I always look and feel good on Italian food. 


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 14, 2013, 11:33:26 PM
Italian food suits my body as well.  I always look and feel good on Italian food. 

Eggplant Parmigiano, with  Lambrusco?

It's a date  :D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: booty on January 14, 2013, 11:36:06 PM
Eggplant Parmigiano, with  Lambrusco?

It's a date  :D
Maybe have the date with BikiniSlut instead. 


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 14, 2013, 11:37:43 PM
I was basically starving myself on the no carb diet and my metabolic rate had come to a complete halt.  I wasn't eating too many fats, in fact they were on the low side.  I competed as a natty and wasn't taking caffeine or fat burners.  I like flaxseed oil and fats in salmon etc but I wouldn't want to consume a high fat diet.  I do like carb cycling and I found it really sped my metabolic rate up and worked for me. 
Yes but what I am saying is metabolic rate has nothing to do with it. Let me explain why.

Your body has 2 sources of fuel; carbs (glycogen) or bodyfat

If you have a fast metabolism you will burn the carbs up so fast and once you run out of carbs to burn up you will start burning your bodyfat

If you have a slow metabolism you will burn the carbs slow so you may never reach the point where you will burn bodyfat cause you are burning carbs so slow. So you may never lose bodyfat at all with a slow metabolism.

So the metabolism dictates the paste at which carbs are burned only, nothing more.

So if there are ZERO carbs to begin with it does not matter if your metabolism is fast or slow, non of that matters cause NO MATTER what your body will go into burning bodyfat for fuel since no carbs are coming in.

You following this so far;

So if your metabolism comes to a complete hault you will still burn bodyfat because that is the only fuel you have to burn. Your body has no other option, it has to burn bodyfat there is no way around this.

You following this ? good;

hence it is a physically impossiblilty to NOT burn fat when you have no carbs.

PLATEUAS ARE IMPOSSIBLE ON NO CARBS AS LONG AS THE FAT MACROSa IS CAPPED OFF, so you are not assessing the situation properly as your conclusions do not make sense scientifically.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: booty on January 14, 2013, 11:46:32 PM
Yes but what I am saying is metabolic rate has nothing to do with it. Let me explain why.

Your body has 2 sources of fuel; carbs (glycogen) or bodyfat

If you have a fast metabolism you will burn the carbs up so fast and once you run out of carbs to burn up you will start burning your bodyfat

If you have a slow metabolism you will burn the carbs slow so you may never reach the point where you will burn bodyfat cause you are burning carbs so slow. So you may never lose bodyfat at all with a slow metabolism.

So the metabolism dictates the paste at which carbs are burned only, nothing more.

So if there are ZERO carbs to begin with it does not matter if your metabolism is fast or slow, non of that matters cause NO MATTER what your body will go into burning bodyfat for fuel since no carbs are coming in.

You following this so far;

So if your metabolism comes to a complete hault you will still burn bodyfat because that is the only fuel you have to burn. Your body has no other option, it has to burn bodyfat there is no way around this.

You following this ? good;

hence it is a physically impossiblilty to NOT burn fat when you have no carbs.

PLATEUAS ARE IMPOSSIBLE ON NO CARBS AS LONG AS THE FAT MACROSa IS CAPPED OFF, so you are not assessing the situation properly as your conclusions do not make sense scientifically.
In theory it sounds great but I just know that for me, my body did stop burning bodyfat and I never felt worse in my entire life.  When I introduced clean carbs based on a 3 day rotational diet my body began burning bodyfat again.  I remember the first week was only 300 grams that I lost but then it picked up and my metabolic rate was very fast. 


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 14, 2013, 11:47:12 PM
Maybe have the date with BikiniSlut instead. 

She's not my type, I guess I'll just hang out with my friend Butterbean again...  :P


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 14, 2013, 11:55:57 PM
In theory it sounds great but I just know that for me, my body did stop burning bodyfat and I never felt worse in my entire life.  When I introduced clean carbs based on a 3 day rotational diet my body began burning bodyfat again.  I remember the first week was only 300 grams that I lost but then it picked up and my metabolic rate was very fast. 
If it stopped burning fat, how did you move, I mean movement require something to burn, right? and no carbs are coming in and you are not burning fat then what were you burning when;...

..... you moved around? what did you burn when you worked out? what did you burned when you slept? what did you burn when you  drove, watched tv, cooked, went to the washroom, what?

You did not burn carbs cause you did not eat any, you did not burn bodyfat so you say, hmmmmm I was not aware you can burn oxygen molicules for fuel.

Booty there is no way around this you were eating fat and was not aware of it, the choices of meat probably had fat or you were eating carbs and were not aware of it, something was happening but not what you say cause that is not even a possiblity for the reasons I explained above, think about it.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: booty on January 15, 2013, 12:03:12 AM
If it stopped burning fat, how did you move, I mean movement require something to burn, right? and no carbs are coming in and you are not burning fat then what were you burning when;...

..... you moved around? what did you burn when you worked out? what did you burned when you slept? what did you burn when you  drove, watched tv, cooked, went to the washroom, what?

You did not burn carbs cause you did not eat any, you did not burn bodyfat so you say, hmmmmm I was not aware you can burn oxygen molicules for fuel.

Booty there is no way around this you were eating fat and was not aware of it, the choices of meat probably had fat or you were eating carbs and were not aware of it, something was happening but not what you say cause that is not even a possiblity for the reasons I explained above, think about it.
My body was holding onto fat for dear life because it thought I was starving it.  I wasn't eating much fat as I don't eat any red meats and so I consumed flaxseed oil, grilled chicken breast (fat in that) boiled egg whites (yolk removed) and I ate steamed fish such as red throat emperor,salmon and coral trout.  I didn't add any fats to my cooking.  
All I know is that I wasn't burning bodyfat, I was just staying the weight that I was and it was frustrating as hell.  I probably made the mistake of reducing my calories lower and lower and I was barely eating anything.  I was low on energy, dizzy all the time and experiencing mood flutuations.  A few times I almost fell over in the gym from the dizzy spells.  I might have even drove through a couple of red lights too.  So I wasn't functioning well on that diet.  


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 15, 2013, 12:19:13 AM
My body was holding onto fat for dear life because it thought I was starving it.  I wasn't eating much fat as I don't eat any red meats and so I consumed flaxseed oil, grilled chicken breast (fat in that) boiled egg whites (yolk removed) and I ate steamed fish such as red throat emperor,salmon and coral trout.  I didn't add any fats to my cooking.  
All I know is that I wasn't burning bodyfat, I was just staying the weight that I was and it was frustrating as hell.  I probably made the mistake of reducing my calories lower and lower and I was barely eating anything.  I was low on energy, dizzy all the time and experiencing mood flutuations.  A few times I almost fell over in the gym from the dizzy spells.  I might have even drove through a couple of red lights too.  So I wasn't functioning well on that diet.  
OK then my question remains if you were not burning fat what were you burning everytime you moved an inch.

Movement = burning something, what was it that you were burning?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: booty on January 15, 2013, 12:26:02 AM
OK then my question remains if you were not burning fat what were you burning everytime you moved an inch.

Movement = burning something, what was it that you were burning?
The body is designed to slow its metabolic rate in times of starvation...goes back to the cave man days when there was famines etc.  I wasn't burning anything...well not according to the scale or the mirror. 


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 15, 2013, 12:36:38 AM
The body is designed to slow its metabolic rate in times of starvation...goes back to the cave man days when there was famines etc.  I wasn't burning anything...well not according to the scale or the mirror. 
Movement = burning something, sorry booty I like you and you know I am not trying to pick on you, I swear, but I am just trying to clarify things cause you can not just say "you were not burning anything" or else you would not be able to move as movement is the result of burning something. If you were moving you were burning something, you still are not following me.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: BikiniSlut on January 15, 2013, 12:43:20 AM
If we must be technical here......if we are alive we are ALWAYS burning something.  8) Isn't that what you're getting at Onetime??? ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 15, 2013, 12:44:13 AM
If we must be technical here......if we are alive we are ALWAYS burning something.  8) Isn't that what you're getting at Onetime??? ;)
YES


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 15, 2013, 12:47:56 AM
Look BS I really do not want to feud with you as it waste way to much of my time and gets in the way of me helping people so I am willing to apologize for being an asshole, as I freely admit but please answer me what you thought was stupid about this thread since you posted that right off the bat.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: BikiniSlut on January 15, 2013, 12:59:48 AM
Look BS I really do not want to feud with you as it waste way to much of my time and gets in the way of me helping people so I am willing to apologize for being an asshole, as I freely admit but please answer me what you thought was stupid about this thread since you posted that right off the bat.

You being a "know it all" about something that is "common sense" within the bodybuilding community to start.  :D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 15, 2013, 01:00:11 AM
Look BS I really do not want to feud with you as it waste way to much of my time and gets in the way of me helping people so I am willing to apologize for being an asshole, as I freely admit but please answer me what you thought was stupid about this thread since you posted that right off the bat.

She's a troll, she's actually my gimmick account.  Sorry friend  :)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 15, 2013, 01:12:41 AM
She's a troll, she's actually my gimmick account.  Sorry friend  :)
lol

You being a "know it all" about something that is "common sense" within the bodybuilding community to start.  :D
Thanks for the fair response.

How is this common sense when I get 5 PM's a day asking for dieting advise. Please explain this to me, people are benefitting from this info as we speak so how is it common sense, trust me so many do not know how simple it is and so many do not know what you know or what I know, they simply do not.

See what you fail to understand and what you do not see or take into account is that the purpose of this thread is not for me to show anyone I know something, I can care less about that. The purpose of this thread is so people around here get shredded for spring and or summer and for people to look their best.

I get pm`s all the time asking me to start I diet thread and I told everyone I would in January as this is the month that everyone is fired up and motivated to diet. Look around I do not start threads randomly to stroke my ego, I thought and planed this thread a while ago and will help anyone. I will include a lot more to this thread as well.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: BikiniSlut on January 15, 2013, 01:21:04 AM
lol
Thanks for the fair response.

How is this common sense when I get 5 PM's a day asking for dieting advise. Please explain this to me, people are benefitting from this info as we speak so how is it common sense, trust me so many do not know how simple it is and so many do not know what you know or what I know, they simply do not.

 ::) The purpose of this thread is so people around here get shredded for spring and or summer and for people to look their best.

I get pm`s all the time asking me to start I diet thread ::) and I told everyone I would in January as this is the month that everyone is fired up and motivated to diet. Look around I do not start threads randomly to stroke my ego, I thought and planed this thread a while ago and will help anyone. I will include a lot more to this thread as well.

Holy fuck when did you go all GH15 on us???????


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 15, 2013, 01:26:54 AM
Holy fuck when did you go all GH15 on us???????
Gh15 is a fucken goof, a scammer and has his agendas and lots of people helped people before him and lots after so don`t go there missy.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: BikiniSlut on January 15, 2013, 01:29:46 AM
Gh15 is a fucken goof, a scammer and has his agendas and lots of people helped people before him and lots after so don`t go there missy.

He started out exactly like you. All you need to do is make your grammar even worse (if possible) and start copy and pasting drug advice from t-nation and bodybuilding.com, and you are set!!


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 15, 2013, 01:32:01 AM
He started out exactly like you. All you need to do is make your grammar even worse (if possible) and start copy and pasting drug advice from t-nation and bodybuilding.com, and you are set!!
Just when I thought we were going to call it a truth, wooooooooooooosh, guess I was wrong  :-\


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: BikiniSlut on January 15, 2013, 01:34:08 AM
Just when I thought we were going to call it a truth, wooooooooooooosh, guess I was wrong  :-\

That is the truth!! :D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 15, 2013, 01:44:46 AM
That is the truth!! :D
Well I can never be like him cause I am not wealthy, I drive an average car (2005 CTS and a pick up) and I don`t have that much money, in fact I shop at walmart for clothes, including shoes, most of the time. I am a roofer (although my own business) I don`t deal drugs or steroids, I pay taxes, I go to church every sunday.

Is that humble enough for you, so there now you can not say I am acting like gh15. Also you can not say I have a big ego either since I admitted to buying my 25 dollar shoes at walmart.

Sorry try again  :P


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: BikiniSlut on January 15, 2013, 02:01:55 AM
Well I can never be like him cause I am not wealthy, I drive an average car (2005 CTS and a pick up) and I don`t have that much money, in fact I shop at walmart for clothes, including shoes, most of the time. I am a roofer (although my own business) I don`t deal drugs or steroids, I pay taxes, I go to church every sunday.

Is that humble enough for you, so there now you can not say I am acting like gh15. Also you can not say I have a big ego either since I admitted to buying my 25 dollar shoes at walmart.

Sorry try again  :P

I'd say you nailed the real GH15 right on the head with this.  :D

You also forgot to put that you aren't an IFBB pro.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 15, 2013, 02:18:32 AM
I'd say you nailed the real GH15 right on the head with this.  :D

You also forgot to put that you aren't an IFBB pro.
Good so we are in agreement I do not act like gh goof 15  :D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: BikiniSlut on January 15, 2013, 02:23:50 AM
Good so we are in agreement I do not act like gh goof 15  :D

You take the interwebz MUCH too seriously.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: booty on January 15, 2013, 04:22:49 AM
Movement = burning something, sorry booty I like you and you know I am not trying to pick on you, I swear, but I am just trying to clarify things cause you can not just say "you were not burning anything" or else you would not be able to move as movement is the result of burning something. If you were moving you were burning something, you still are not following me.
I am trying to follow you Onetimehard, but regardless of what I was burning I wanted to lose bodyfat and I wasn't.  That's all I wanted to burn....bodyfat, while holding onto as much lean muscle mass as possible since I am female and natty and can't aford to lose any muscle. 


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 15, 2013, 04:48:36 AM
You take the interwebz MUCH too seriously.
We are all not goofy characters like you and it is much more rewarding when I can help someone around here then fool about but hey if I do booth, even better

I am trying to follow you Onetimehard, but regardless of what I was burning I wanted to lose bodyfat and I wasn't.  That's all I wanted to burn....bodyfat, while holding onto as much lean muscle mass as possible since I am female and natty and can't aford to lose any muscle. 
Yes but what I was trying to tell you is that so many people think that they restrict certain macro nutrients because they are not aware of what foods have what, like when I say foods with protein that can be red meat, but when I say `protein only`` foods that can not be red meat cause red meat does not ``only`` have protein so to me perhaps you were eating protein foods that you though were protein only but which may have included lots of fat content cause this is an extremely common scenario.

Either way, lets squash this subject. but have another thought which is you should not do a no protein diet without juice.  ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: booty on January 15, 2013, 04:57:15 AM
We are all not goofy characters like you and it is much more rewarding when I can help someone around here then fool about but hey if I do booth, even better
Yes but what I was trying to tell you is that so many people think that they restrict certain macro nutrients because they are not aware of what foods have what, like when I say foods with protein that can be red meat, but when I say `protein only`` foods that can not be red meat cause red meat does not ``only`` have protein so to me perhaps you were eating protein foods that you though were protein only but which may have included lots of fat content cause this is an extremely common scenario.

Either way, lets squash this subject. but have another thought which is you should not do a no protein diet without juice.  ;)
Haha..I love that last line.   ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: The True Adonis on January 15, 2013, 06:22:26 AM
hm, yes, maybe, all out could go somewhere similiar.maybe ill try it.but inch for inch he has a few lbs of lean mass on me.we will see :D


TA used same argument that been used against him in old threads, hes upset that the mantra that you can get shredded eating cupcakes hasnt made mainstream news.

bikinislut wants some easy way out.she will one day hopefuly find out that there aint one and see her own errors.

cephissus and deceiver are 2 lean year round guys in the making right as we speak.

they will hold condition like never before while getting away with more shit food than before.


Eating whatever you want already has made mainstream news.  Its dogma that prevents people from realizing it.  As if eating 2000 calories a day is some sort of mystery.  ::)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Krankenstein on January 15, 2013, 06:56:20 AM
What exactly have I said that you find stupid? and only an idiot would believe that they came up with concepts, I would never take credit for coming up with this shit. People have been doing this for years, long before I was around.

I said a million times there are plenty of ways to skin a cat but this is the absolutely fastest way to lose fat while maintaining your muscle, this can not be argued with. You said you can lose 50 lb too by puking OK fine I believe you but you will also lose so much muscle. The method I outlined is the fastest way without losing muscle.

If you think there is a faster way, let's hear it right here right now and let's see if our audience will agree with you the way that everyone on this thread has agreed with me EXCEPT FOR YOU AND TA. Look I am not out here to argue, you are challenging me so bring your formulas and stop talking baloney we want something that will produce results, let us hear what you have to say, if not ZIP IT, SIMPLE AS THAT.

And I would not point fingers at people putting people down, you are king (or queen in this case) at this. You are always dissing people around. At least I can thank you for answering where you are from though,  I enjoy having fellow Canadians on getbig, for some reason I thought you were from Ontario, my bad.


I wanted to refrain from commenting about people making the extreme comparisons.  That's like someone who wants to show you the best/fastest way to get to know a woman and then end up in bed.  Then you have another person saying that approach is stupid and they could easily do it by just raping her.

The main thing with this whole discussion is this.  Can you do it.  Do you have the will power to resist the urges that no doubt come from low carbing it.  Are the person who is willing to suffer for that stupid fucking trophy?  I am prepping a kid right now with this type of approach.  I know he won't tough it out.  His words say he will, but I know he doesn't have the will power to do it.  You can tell who does, and who doesn't after talking to them.  As with anything in life, competitors will lie to you about what they ate, will try and bargain with you about what they can eat, and will flat out do what they want because they always know better.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Overload on January 15, 2013, 07:03:23 AM
OTH bringing the truth as always.  The people arguing with him aren't understanding the point of this thread as a whole.  This thread is exactly what people need to help them realize how the body burns fat as a system.

It's really quite easy and I'm not surprised a bunch of people are bent out of shape about it. Ukjeff is the only person qualified to argue this subject with OTH, as he is a gear user and has backed up his claims, or at least found a good picture to claim.  Either way he has argued his points well.

In over 10 years of training with top level NPC guys and watching what they eat, this is the truth. Sure some guys prefer to eat more carbs or cycle carbs, but at the end of the day OTH's original premise holds true.  I've only met a few guys who got into stage shape eating more than 150g of carbs per day.  Also when someone is using insulin it can change a lot of the carb cycling as well, but i don't think OTH uses insulin.

Another thing to consider is that OTH does not use thyroid meds or diuretics if i recall, this needs to be considered.  Most guys who get down to 3-4% BF abuse the shit out of both of these.

Great thread, I'm glad OTH spent all this time to straighten out the masses. The bottom line is that you can eat some carbs, but you will have to burn them off one way or another and he's just saying that it's more efficient to not eat any at all if your goal is true stage shape.  It's not that complicated.  More carbs just mean slower fat loss or more cardio.  This isn't that hard to comprehend and you can get ripped eating some carbs, most people are taking this way out of context.


8)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: The True Adonis on January 15, 2013, 07:07:58 AM
I`m going to eat 10,000 calories a day in Whey Protein Drinks and see what happens.  I figure I will be shredded for summer time using this approach since the calories are just coming from protein.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Man of Steel on January 15, 2013, 07:18:24 AM
SIMPLE- HOW TO GET CONTEST SHREDDED FOR ANYONE.

All these trainers and coaches make me sick acting like if it's some rocket science shit they are giving away, I have no problem with PT or coaches, they are good for motivation and guidance but where my problem lies is when they mislead their clients into thinking this shit is rocket science.

If you are on HRT or juice then listen up.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + low carbs (green veg allowed) and 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get anyone into single digits.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + No carbs (green veg and others allowed)+ 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get you to contest bodyfat levels.


Forget the calorie counting Bull Shit, forget the complicated dietary metabolism Bull Shit, forget the rocket science, all garbage, don't spend money on some expert trying to act like it is Calculus or physics. What I wrote above will get ANYONE from point A to point B (contest shape) period.

I will elaborate on a list of foods you can eat in part 2

EDIT; instructions on the use of ECA on no carb diet on page 3

EDIT: instruction on the proper use of carb days incorporated into a no                  carb diet on page 8

EDIT; THE LIST OF FOODS FROM PROTEIN ONLY SOURCES AND                            VEGETABLES ON PAGE 9

Well, I'll never be a bb LOL!  No way I could do that.  I hate no/low carbs and hate green veggies LOL!


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: booty on January 15, 2013, 07:23:56 AM
Are my eyes playing tricks on me or am I just tired???  Because I just saw you compare concentration victims to getting ripped for a bodybuilding/physquie show.  That is not how any competitor wants to look...like they stepped out of a concentration camp.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: syntaxmachine on January 15, 2013, 07:35:26 AM
As you stated, its only marginally better in specific situations for people with specific conditions, in general, they are not.  I wasnt being clear, but yes, in general they are no better, except for the specific (rather uncommon situations).

That's not exactly what I said, but we needn't get bogged down by the interpretive element of the conversation.

Also, Lyle discusses a lot of topics, his Ultimate Diet is also a specification of his standard views, which he knows most people wont even be able to follow either way.  But I dont know if this is relevant.

The "vast" scientific evidence points in many directions, theres studies defending both sides and thats the worst part of this discussion, tons of contradicting evidence.

Fat loss occurs naturally only when in energy deficit be it through carb less diets or other diets.  That is the final point to this, and the advantages of high protein diets can be obtained withour being ketogenic, just lowering carbs and fats for more proteins in the diet, thats all you need to do.

Certainly, great results can be achieved absent ketosis.

Let's be clear about facts, though:

His rapid fat loss book is about protein, not really a ketogenic diet, but an extension of his 2x grams of protein per pound of bw in caloric restriction, which leads to the final point.

Lyle's "Fat Loss Handbook" explicitly advocates a ketogenic diet, with Lyle himself describing it as "a ketogenic diet without the dietary fat," one that functions as "the safest and sanest way to lose fat quickly without sacrificing health (or muscle mass)." So the man whose articles you are attempting to cite as evidence against the claim that ketogenic diets are special explicitly advocates a ketogenic diet as the most efficient way to achieve quick fat loss, which is also OTH's claim.

Again, great results can and will be achieved absent ketosis now and in the future. On the issue of Lyle supposedly arguing against ketogenesis as the optimal tool for fat loss, however, you are simply mistaken.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/the-rapid-fat-loss-handbook (http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/the-rapid-fat-loss-handbook)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: njflex on January 15, 2013, 09:15:20 AM
U KNOW WHAT WORKS WITH A GOOD DIET THE FUKING MIRROR IF U SEE THINGS INSIDE AND AROUND YOUR MUSCLE YOU NEVER SAW BEFORE IT'S WORKING...


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: AVBG on January 15, 2013, 01:07:18 PM
Essential Amino acid? - check
Essential Fat? - check
Essential Carbohydrate? - Nup


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Mjolnir on January 15, 2013, 02:57:48 PM
This is getting embarassing.  So far pretty much everyone agrees with OTH (because he's right!!!) EXCEPT Booty who has a "special metabolism" that is different to evryone else on the planet and Bikinislut.  Here's a newsflash for you both, TRY THE FUCKING DIET for one week and le us know what happens, post before and after pictures.  Booty has posted shots on stage and she certainly isn't ripped to shreds and doesn't even looks like she trains in my opinion.  BS needs to STFU and try the diet and THEN come back here and post the results, if she didn't burn some fat in 7 days then I'll personally eat a shit sandwich filled with her shit (and maybe a little Tabasco).  Do it naysayers!


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 15, 2013, 03:18:37 PM
This is getting embarassing.  So far pretty much everyone agrees with OTH (because he's right!!!) EXCEPT Booty who has a "special metabolism" that is different to evryone else on the planet and Bikinislut.  Here's a newsflash for you both, TRY THE FUCKING DIET for one week and le us know what happens, post before and after pictures.  Booty has posted shots on stage and she certainly isn't ripped to shreds and doesn't even looks like she trains in my opinion.  BS needs to STFU and try the diet and THEN come back here and post the results, if she didn't burn some fat in 7 days then I'll personally eat a shit sandwich filled with her shit (and maybe a little Tabasco).  Do it naysayers!
LMAO, lol hahahah best post of the thread booooooooooom, but take it easy on booty though   :D   lol, she is my home girl  ;)

 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 15, 2013, 03:20:20 PM
I wanted to refrain from commenting about people making the extreme comparisons.  That's like someone who wants to show you the best/fastest way to get to know a woman and then end up in bed.  Then you have another person saying that approach is stupid and they could easily do it by just raping her.

The main thing with this whole discussion is this.  Can you do it.  Do you have the will power to resist the urges that no doubt come from low carbing it.  Are the person who is willing to suffer for that stupid fucking trophy?  I am prepping a kid right now with this type of approach.  I know he won't tough it out.  His words say he will, but I know he doesn't have the will power to do it.  You can tell who does, and who doesn't after talking to them.  As with anything in life, competitors will lie to you about what they ate, will try and bargain with you about what they can eat, and will flat out do what they want because they always know better.
QFT^^ Not an easy feat but with enough will it can be done nicely


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 15, 2013, 03:21:29 PM
OTH bringing the truth as always.  The people arguing with him aren't understanding the point of this thread as a whole.  This thread is exactly what people need to help them realize how the body burns fat as a system.

It's really quite easy and I'm not surprised a bunch of people are bent out of shape about it. Ukjeff is the only person qualified to argue this subject with OTH, as he is a gear user and has backed up his claims, or at least found a good picture to claim.  Either way he has argued his points well.

In over 10 years of training with top level NPC guys and watching what they eat, this is the truth. Sure some guys prefer to eat more carbs or cycle carbs, but at the end of the day OTH's original premise holds true.  I've only met a few guys who got into stage shape eating more than 150g of carbs per day.  Also when someone is using insulin it can change a lot of the carb cycling as well, but i don't think OTH uses insulin.

Another thing to consider is that OTH does not use thyroid meds or diuretics if i recall, this needs to be considered.  Most guys who get down to 3-4% BF abuse the shit out of both of these.

Great thread, I'm glad OTH spent all this time to straighten out the masses. The bottom line is that you can eat some carbs, but you will have to burn them off one way or another and he's just saying that it's more efficient to not eat any at all if your goal is true stage shape.  It's not that complicated.  More carbs just mean slower fat loss or more cardio.  This isn't that hard to comprehend and you can get ripped eating some carbs, most people are taking this way out of context.


8)
If overload is in agreement the arguments are over, thanks bro  8)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: arce1988 on January 15, 2013, 03:30:01 PM
  Never saw a fat jew in the camps. Galeniko is correct.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 15, 2013, 03:33:11 PM
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Ukjeff is the only person qualified to argue this subject with OTH, as he is a gear user and has backed up his claims, or at least found a good picture to claim.
Just to correct that Im not a gear user, those photos were taken back in 96, I still train but dont "supplement"
Heres a photo from last year, Im 47 in the pic. (thats years old, not kilos)
(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/2602/eerc.png)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Mjolnir on January 15, 2013, 03:41:05 PM
LMAO, lol hahahah best post of the thread booooooooooom, but take it easy on booty though   :D   lol, she is my home girl  ;)

 ;D ;D ;D

Negative. She is an attention whore who posts innane shit and photo's from 100 years ago.  I'm quite sure she looks nothing like the photo's she posts other than the tupperware tits, hence the ancient shots where she got on stage once and calls herself a 'bodybuilder'.  You're good OTH don't be fooled by this attention whore.  ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: arce1988 on January 15, 2013, 03:42:08 PM
 PED


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: hangclean on January 15, 2013, 04:33:36 PM
Essential Amino acid? - check
Essential Fat? - check
Essential Carbohydrate? - Nup

While this is obviously true, there is no debating that the body prefers carbohydrates for fuel during weight training.   What people seem to be missing here is that while this diet plan outlined will obviously work, if you give yourself ample time, you can get just as shredded while eating carbs, as long as you keep them to a reasonable level.  70 or so grams of carbs pre-workout will not hinder fat loss at all (in fact it can help since you will hold onto more muscle and your training will be more efficient) if one is in a calorie defecit.  If someone wants the quickest way out, by all means eat chicken breast all day long....I gaurantee your training is going to suck balls, no matter how much bronkaid you are taking. 


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: njflex on January 15, 2013, 04:42:14 PM
Just to correct that Im not a gear user, those photos were taken back in 96, I still train but dont "supplement"
Heres a photo from last year, Im 47 in the pic. (thats years old, not kilos)
(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/2602/eerc.png)
great pic,,look great bro,,,,backing it up,,,,


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Metabolic on January 15, 2013, 05:08:42 PM
That's not exactly what I said, but we needn't get bogged down by the interpretive element of the conversation.

Certainly, great results can be achieved absent ketosis.

Let's be clear about facts, though:

Lyle's "Fat Loss Handbook" explicitly advocates a ketogenic diet, with Lyle himself describing it as "a ketogenic diet without the dietary fat," one that functions as "the safest and sanest way to lose fat quickly without sacrificing health (or muscle mass)." So the man whose articles you are attempting to cite as evidence against the claim that ketogenic diets are special explicitly advocates a ketogenic diet as the most efficient way to achieve quick fat loss, which is also OTH's claim.

Again, great results can and will be achieved absent ketosis now and in the future. On the issue of Lyle supposedly arguing against ketogenesis as the optimal tool for fat loss, however, you are simply mistaken.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/the-rapid-fat-loss-handbook (http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/the-rapid-fat-loss-handbook)

Ok, Ive had it with your convenient interpretations of McDonalds high protein diet (which is nothing else but the Ducan Diet).

Weight gain/loss is calorific deficit/surplus only, method doesn't matter
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18173383
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18025815
>http://madcow.hostzi.com/Topics/Diet.htm
>http://examine.com/faq/what-should-i-eat-for-weight-loss.html

Don't bother with keto
>http://www.ajcn.org/content/83/5/1055.long
>http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/ketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-have-no-metabolic-advantage-over-nonketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-research-review.html
>http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/289/14/1837.abstract

I will even post the (weak) contradicting evidence (keto may help)
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16476868
>http://www.ajcn.org/content/24/3/290.abstract

For anybody who cares to be informed


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: arce1988 on January 15, 2013, 05:10:50 PM
  This thread should only be one page.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: a_ahmed on January 15, 2013, 06:28:17 PM
Yeah this is retarded. Man...

Losing WEIGHT is EASY... I did that years ago because I was not informed (I let myself go and destroyed my body by becoming really obese -- truth). I did that and it was dumb. Doctors focus on body mass index bs so they are 'yay' when you drop to that bracket.

However, since I have learned.. what I CARE about is BODY COMPOSITION. That's all down to TRAINING and NUTRITION... hormones matter obviously and thats part of the whole 'plan' with OTH's thread.

That being said if it were as dumbed down as calories down or up well.. how do you think recomps can happen?

Nutrition type, nutrition timing, etc... it is all there, it's not all black and white mr doctor saying oh yeah if you eat less you'll probably lose weight, if you eat more you'll probably gain more weight!

Well duh! But is that what we want?! No! When people ask me now soo are you trying to lose weight I'm like NO, I never want to lose weight, I want to lose FAT! And likewise when trying to gain weight, why the hell would anyone wana gain bloat and fat? Perma bulking style.

Edit: My post was in reference to Metabolic's journal posts. No one gives a damn about pure weight loss, we care about body composition and lean mass... Those examples also represent what? Overeating couch potatoes... well duh they will lose weight if they eat less hmm!


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: booty on January 15, 2013, 07:27:56 PM
Negative. She is an attention whore who posts innane shit and photo's from 100 years ago.  I'm quite sure she looks nothing like the photo's she posts other than the tupperware tits, hence the ancient shots where she got on stage once and calls herself a 'bodybuilder'.  You're good OTH don't be fooled by this attention whore.  ;)
I've competed 5 times and yes I am a fat ass...hence the bike pic.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: booty on January 15, 2013, 07:28:40 PM
While this is obviously true, there is no debating that the body prefers carbohydrates for fuel during weight training.   What people seem to be missing here is that while this diet plan outlined will obviously work, if you give yourself ample time, you can get just as shredded while eating carbs, as long as you keep them to a reasonable level.  70 or so grams of carbs pre-workout will not hinder fat loss at all (in fact it can help since you will hold onto more muscle and your training will be more efficient) if one is in a calorie defecit.  If someone wants the quickest way out, by all means eat chicken breast all day long....I gaurantee your training is going to suck balls, no matter how much bronkaid you are taking. 

^^^  This


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: trapz101 on January 15, 2013, 08:27:16 PM
This is getting embarassing.  So far pretty much everyone agrees with OTH (because he's right!!!) EXCEPT Booty who has a "special metabolism" that is different to evryone else on the planet and Bikinislut.  Here's a newsflash for you both, TRY THE FUCKING DIET for one week and le us know what happens, post before and after pictures.  Booty has posted shots on stage and she certainly isn't ripped to shreds and doesn't even looks like she trains in my opinion.  BS needs to STFU and try the diet and THEN come back here and post the results, if she didn't burn some fat in 7 days then I'll personally eat a shit sandwich filled with her shit (and maybe a little Tabasco).  Do it naysayers!

one week only?seriously?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: trapz101 on January 15, 2013, 08:45:00 PM
^x2

some of the strongest guy i know trains in the morning empty stomach..


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 15, 2013, 08:57:10 PM
Carbs are energy

fat is stored energy

why eat more carbs if you are trying to rid yourself of your stored energy


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: syntaxmachine on January 15, 2013, 09:06:57 PM
Ok, Ive had it with your convenient interpretations of McDonalds high protein diet (which is nothing else but the Ducan Diet).

Lyle himself calls the diet ""a ketogenic diet without the dietary fat," so unless you want to argue with him over whether his diet is ketogenic or not, you're having "had it" with my "interpretations" (read: quoting Lyle himself) is irrelevant. Facts are facts. Why did you double-down on your error instead of just admitting what Lyle himself acknowledges?

Weight gain/loss is calorific deficit/surplus only, method doesn't matter
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18173383
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18025815
>http://madcow.hostzi.com/Topics/Diet.htm
>http://examine.com/faq/what-should-i-eat-for-weight-loss.html

1. The first article concludes the research undertaken supports the hypothesis that "most of the recent rise in obesity is attributable to excess caloric intake." This has no bearing on whether ketogenic diets are optimal for fast fat loss or not; the two claims are mutually compatible. The study is more concerned with finding global prescriptions for improving health outcomes, viz., convenient advice to countries to help curb obesity. I hope it's obvious that this level of research is different than anything to do with the relative effectiveness of ketogenic diets vs other types.

2. The second article doesn't compare different diets and measure the relative amount of fat loss, instead comparing a diet only approach to a diet + exercise approach. Ketosis was not induced at any point and thus the study has nothing to say on whether ketosis would have been more effective for the 20 women in question (a very small sample size). For it to have any bearing on our discussion it would need to have found similar results in groups with varying diets (then it would be clear that regardless of diet, caloric deficiency is what matters).

3. Article three is irrelevant because it is discussing the role caloric excess plays in building muscle. We aren't talking about that; we are talking about what diet (if any) is optimal for stripping away bodyfat and maintaining muscle mass at as fast a rate as possible. It's also by some guy named "madcow" who makes numerous spelling/grammatical mistakes, clearly a piece of broscience no better than any opinion posted here. Caloric excess being necessary and sufficient for muscle gain has no obvious connection to the claim that caloric deficiency is necessary and sufficient for optimal fat loss.

4. The Examine articles cites 18 journal articles. Only ONE addresses ketogenic diets, with the rest of the articles defining "low carb" anywhere between 15-40% carbohydrate intake -- obviously not the same sort of diet bodybuilders are referring to. You are claiming that these studies support the notion that "method doesn't matter," yet to the extent that ketogenesis -- a specific method -- is absent in the literature, the former claim is unsubstantiated (how can you claim method doesn't matter when you don't test all the methods?). The single study that does assess a ketogenic diet (Atkins) focuses solely on weight loss, meaning it doesn't take into effect changes in body composition. As such, it is incapable of impacting the claim that ketogenesis leads to more fat loss/muscle retention over the short term.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: syntaxmachine on January 15, 2013, 09:42:43 PM
Don't bother with keto
>http://www.ajcn.org/content/83/5/1055.long
>http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/ketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-have-no-metabolic-advantage-over-nonketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-research-review.html
>http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/289/14/1837.abstract

We saw that the previous studies you posted are irrelevant because they neglect ketogenis diets or changes in body composition over mere weight loss. The above studies, on the other hand, are clearly relevant.

1. The second link you posted includes the content of the first, so I can evaluate them as one. The only weakness I can find here is one that Lyle points out: "BIA [the method this study used to measure bodyfat] has its share of problems and can be thrown off by hydration status, which is affected by the carbohydrate content of the diet." But let's cede the results of this study to you. In your previous post you yourself indicated 2 studies that support the 'ketogenesis is superior for fat loss' hypothesis, meaning us ketofreaks are up 2-1 (since the rest of your articles were irrelevant, either not evaluating keto diets or otherwise not measuring changes in body composition).

2.. The third study concludes that "there is insufficient evidence to make recommendations for or against the use of low-carbohydrate diets," but again, the definition of 'low-carbohydrate' diet is key. The metaanalysis ranges over 107 articles, which themselves study diets with carb intakes ranging from "0-901g/d." 901g a day of carbs is low-carb and thus effects the conclusion of whether low-carb diets are effective? OK.  ::) The study also ignores body composition changes, meaning it is irrelevant to the discussion at hand, which is whether ketosis leads to the fastest fat loss/muscle preservation over the short term.

3. In short, the result of our sparring seems to be that the ketofreaks are winning on the scientific front (2-1). Additionally, we see that the current paradigm (a preference for moderate/high carb consumption) leads researchers to make lazy methodological decisions and still conclude in favor of orthodoxy, neglecting to even evaluate keto diets while still concluding against their efficacy.

But there's a more important point to be made: I can take out my stack of studies done on 20 obese Genoese women laying in gurneys and fight with you over the results of your stack of studies done on 10 obese people, 6 of which are kids, but the fact is that such data is irrelevant to the discussion. The data relevant is the broscientists like OTH serving themselves up as guinea pigs, of which there are thousands.

The scientific study of ketosis' efficacy remains woefully inadequate (I casually poked holes in virtually all the studies you presented) so in the meantime we need to use data collected in the field -- people who have been getting sliced and diced for decades (those 20 Genoese fuckers don't outweigh -- excuse the term -- the opinion of most bodybuilders, which is clearly that ketogenic diets are brutally effective for stripping away fat and preserving muscle in a short amount of time, better than other diets for this purpose).


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 15, 2013, 10:59:34 PM
Quote
one week only?seriously?
You will lose weight in one week on this diet, although it will be mostly water weight due to the lack of carbs.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: hangclean on January 15, 2013, 11:44:30 PM
body prefers carbs for training?

sure about that?


im absolutely not sure about that, all record lifts for me done on low or no carbs
Absolutely sure.  Muscles full of glycogen perform better than muscles depleted of glycogen.  there is absolutely no debating this.  You may be able to perform a one rep max glycogen depleted, but for any type of weight training involving volume, you are better off with glycogen in the muscle. All I am saying is that some carbs pre-workout, or fuck....even the night before training are not going to hinder fat loss, as long as protein is high and calories are low.  It is totally asanine to do a crash diet like this, unless you are behind on a contest prep and need to drop fat fast.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 16, 2013, 01:33:47 AM
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im sooooo sick of the fat fucks who eat carbs every freaking meal, typicaly rice and chicken breast and never become lean, never.and ask themselves why.

the best are the clowns who do a cheat day on top of the above mentioned.

I used to do all that, except the "fat f*ck" bit.
My cheat days used to consist of anything and everything, in fact the first 4 weeks of my 10 week diet I only dieted Monday to Friday, I took weekends off.
Dieting to hard too long slows your metabolism, the cheat days boost it into overdrive to get rid of the excess food and then its still racing the days you go back on your diet.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 02:54:32 AM
Absolutely sure.  Muscles full of glycogen perform better than muscles depleted of glycogen.  there is absolutely no debating this.  You may be able to perform a one rep max glycogen depleted, but for any type of weight training involving volume, you are better off with glycogen in the muscle. All I am saying is that some carbs pre-workout, or fuck....even the night before training are not going to hinder fat loss, as long as protein is high and calories are low.  It is totally asanine to do a crash diet like this, unless you are behind on a contest prep and need to drop fat fast.
My best lifts and craziest workouts have been on low or no carbs, I see NO difference at all training with or without carbs. I maximize my energy each and every time I go to the gym. I will take ECA proficiently to reach a certain state and at this state I am at maximum capacity before I enter the gym, either way I am wired and that is all that counts.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Metabolic on January 16, 2013, 06:53:39 AM
Yeah this is retarded. Man...

Losing WEIGHT is EASY... I did that years ago because I was not informed (I let myself go and destroyed my body by becoming really obese -- truth). I did that and it was dumb. Doctors focus on body mass index bs so they are 'yay' when you drop to that bracket.

However, since I have learned.. what I CARE about is BODY COMPOSITION. That's all down to TRAINING and NUTRITION... hormones matter obviously and thats part of the whole 'plan' with OTH's thread.

That being said if it were as dumbed down as calories down or up well.. how do you think recomps can happen?

Nutrition type, nutrition timing, etc... it is all there, it's not all black and white mr doctor saying oh yeah if you eat less you'll probably lose weight, if you eat more you'll probably gain more weight!

Well duh! But is that what we want?! No! When people ask me now soo are you trying to lose weight I'm like NO, I never want to lose weight, I want to lose FAT! And likewise when trying to gain weight, why the hell would anyone wana gain bloat and fat? Perma bulking style.

Edit: My post was in reference to Metabolic's journal posts. No one gives a damn about pure weight loss, we care about body composition and lean mass... Those examples also represent what? Overeating couch potatoes... well duh they will lose weight if they eat less hmm!

Do I really need to explain that the research was done to conclude that in order to gain weight naturally (a mixture of muscle mass and adipose tissue) you need surplus of energy and in order to lose weight naturally (lose adipose tissue and some muscle mass) you need a deficit of energy and not "special" diets?

Of course its about body compositiion, and this studies show how you can change it overtime naturally....incredible youd post such a wall of text on such an obvious matter.

The mixture of fat and muscle you lose/gain depends on the actual caloric intake and protein intake, hence why high protein diets are needad.  If you still cant accept this well, PEDs will alway help you get there.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Metabolic on January 16, 2013, 07:08:30 AM
We saw that the previous studies you posted are irrelevant because they neglect ketogenis diets or changes in body composition over mere weight loss. The above studies, on the other hand, are clearly relevant.

1. The second link you posted includes the content of the first, so I can evaluate them as one. The only weakness I can find here is one that Lyle points out: "BIA [the method this study used to measure bodyfat] has its share of problems and can be thrown off by hydration status, which is affected by the carbohydrate content of the diet." But let's cede the results of this study to you. In your previous post you yourself indicated 2 studies that support the 'ketogenesis is superior for fat loss' hypothesis, meaning us ketofreaks are up 2-1 (since the rest of your articles were irrelevant, either not evaluating keto diets or otherwise not measuring changes in body composition).

2.. The third study concludes that "there is insufficient evidence to make recommendations for or against the use of low-carbohydrate diets," but again, the definition of 'low-carbohydrate' diet is key. The metaanalysis ranges over 107 articles, which themselves study diets with carb intakes ranging from "0-901g/d." 901g a day of carbs is low-carb and thus effects the conclusion of whether low-carb diets are effective? OK.  ::) The study also ignores body composition changes, meaning it is irrelevant to the discussion at hand, which is whether ketosis leads to the fastest fat loss/muscle preservation over the short term.

3. In short, the result of our sparring seems to be that the ketofreaks are winning on the scientific front (2-1). Additionally, we see that the current paradigm (a preference for moderate/high carb consumption) leads researchers to make lazy methodological decisions and still conclude in favor of orthodoxy, neglecting to even evaluate keto diets while still concluding against their efficacy.

But there's a more important point to be made: I can take out my stack of studies done on 20 obese Genoese women laying in gurneys and fight with you over the results of your stack of studies done on 10 obese people, 6 of which are kids, but the fact is that such data is irrelevant to the discussion. The data relevant is the broscientists like OTH serving themselves up as guinea pigs, of which there are thousands.

The scientific study of ketosis' efficacy remains woefully inadequate (I casually poked holes in virtually all the studies you presented) so in the meantime we need to use data collected in the field -- people who have been getting sliced and diced for decades (those 20 Genoese fuckers don't outweigh -- excuse the term -- the opinion of most bodybuilders, which is clearly that ketogenic diets are brutally effective for stripping away fat and preserving muscle in a short amount of time, better than other diets for this purpose).

The first studies were posted just to make sure this conversation doesnt deviate from the basics, energy surplus and deficits, as I posted above.

The second group, no, you didnt poke holes, you barely even read the abstract of the study and assume a lot things about them and forwarded some really generic criticism, plus, taking normal (although this should be more strict) people for this kinds of studies is good, you dont want people with altered hormonal levels, such as bodybuilders, because that is not a normal functioning metabolism (I hope we at least can agree on this)?

But yeah, lets take you methodological approach, lets take a PEDs consumer who besides his great dieting strategies takes clen, ephedrine, t3 or whatever drug of choice he has, even hGH maybe.  No offense OTH; you might be one aesthetic and big guy, but it makes no sense to me to listen to the findings of people who are drugged. Also, I am pro steroids so dont think Im condemning you.

"Keto is great, clen is only the finishing 5%"


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 16, 2013, 07:20:42 AM
Absolutely sure.  Muscles full of glycogen perform better than muscles depleted of glycogen.  there is absolutely no debating this.  You may be able to perform a one rep max glycogen depleted, but for any type of weight training involving volume, you are better off with glycogen in the muscle. All I am saying is that some carbs pre-workout, or fuck....even the night before training are not going to hinder fat loss, as long as protein is high and calories are low.  It is totally asanine to do a crash diet like this, unless you are behind on a contest prep and need to drop fat fast.

It's a matter of opinion and priorities in my mind.

You will have an easier time of it and feel better with a traditional calorie deficit diet that is balanced, but me, if I'm dieting...the goal is to lose the fat, fuck it...get it over with and pay the price. and eating lean beef, veggies and chicken all day isn't all the bad.

for breakfast I'll eat 2 whole eggs with 4 egg whites on top, a few pieces of lean beef and peppers and onions. that is some carbs but negligible, a cup of Peppers and onions has a whopping 7 grams of sugar, that's nothing and I could use a bit of carbs in the AM. and it's delicious...I like eating it.



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: jakew300 on January 16, 2013, 08:15:08 AM
When I was younger (13) I would ask this bodybuilder all kinds of questions in gym.  He finally told me if it works for you then it works.  I think the proof is in the egg whites.  No carb and very low fat diets work.  There is no way to choke down enough calories to get fat.  Protein metabolism also raises metabolic rate more than fat and carbs. Now not everyone can handle this kind of diet.  Some it can make sick.  Other it is just too hard for them to stick on it.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: njflex on January 16, 2013, 08:27:03 AM
GREAT POINTS GUYS,,,,ALL GOOD INFO,,,


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: syntaxmachine on January 16, 2013, 08:37:03 AM
The first studies were posted just to make sure this conversation doesnt deviate from the basics, energy surplus and deficits, as I posted above.

Fair enough.

The second group, no, you didnt poke holes, you barely even read the abstract of the study and assume a lot things about them and forwarded some really generic criticism, plus, taking normal (although this should be more strict) people for this kinds of studies is good, you dont want people with altered hormonal levels, such as bodybuilders, because that is not a normal functioning metabolism (I hope we at least can agree on this)?

1. Whether my criticism was "generic" or not isn't particularly relevant; what's relevant is that it undermines your argument (you presented these studies as evidence that "method doesn't matter," i.e., that you will lose roughly the same amount of weight/fat regardless of diet.)

For example, that 17 of 18 studies cited in the Examine article don't even address ketogenic diets undermines that article as a piece of evidence for your claim, since you cannot make a conclusion about all methods (diets) until you've properly evaluated all of them. And none of these studies properly evaluate ketogenic diets. The one study of the 18 that tries doesn't even bother to measure change in body composition, clearly shoddy research that has no bearing on our discussion. That leaves a single article indicating that ketogenesis isn't any better than other approaches, itself balanced out by contrary research which you yourself graciously posted.

If you think it's relevant, you can point to specific instances of my assuming overmuch and indicate how that affects my counterargument. If not, your claim that that's what I've done doesn't amount to much.

2. Yes, we can agree that PED-enhanced metabolisms shouldn't be the default units of analysis for a ketogenic diet. Or, if we use them as our units, we should limit our conclusions to people on PEDs, not the whole population. I still think this enables us to make conclusions about the general effectiveness of keto because there are plenty of people not on PEDs who utilize such diets -- at least I think so.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: hangclean on January 16, 2013, 11:51:39 AM
what is definition of performs better?

you do know that its almost impossible to deplete a muscle from glycogen?

do you know that glycogen mustnt come from carbs?

the bit thats left is enough for weight training, what you think how many cabrs powerflifters really need for the couple reps they do in their training,1000gramms?

stop it please.lol at carbs before training or night before?

so you think theyre metabolized and used for that training?

also, theres somewhat carbs in vegies, theyre good enough.

its not necesary to crash a diet like that, but itll give faster results.


Allright, I see this is pointless.  All I know is that the best bodybuilers I personally know use carbs while dieting.  More than one way to skin a cat.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 01:03:38 PM
Allright, I see this is pointless.  All I know is that the best bodybuilers I personally know use carbs while dieting.  More than one way to skin a cat.
For the 1000's time;

 listen everyone galeniko, conker, ahmed, Groink, arce1988, outby43, deciever, snx, disgusted, cephissus, AVBG, njflex, all of them have said ''More than one way to skin a cat." Everyone is aware that there is more then one way, did you just find that out or something? am I missing something here?

My position is this; This is the fasted way to diet while maintaining muscle, so obviously for something to be "THE FASTEST'' it obviously has to be extreme, it obviously has to be hard, it obviously has to involve discomfort, discipline and sacrifice.

So stop with these stupid posts, well this way is better for me or this way work because of this and that, HORSESHIT, what I outlines is the fastest way to do it and if you can not cut the mustard then tone it down a notch, water it down a bit, it will be slower but that is your call to make.

The purpose of this thread is so that everyone can see the entire picture so I posted the extreme end of the spectrum so that everyone here knows whats in between, now they can take my "extreme methods" and adjust accordingly to what suits their agenda and their personal life or do it the way I do it, either way is appropriate and either way is acceptable, nothing wrong with that.

So yes this is going no where fast cause you are completely missing the point.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 16, 2013, 01:06:33 PM
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My position opinion is this; This is the fasted way to diet while maintaining muscle, so obviously for something to be "THE FASTEST'' it obviously has to be extreme, it obviously has to be hard, it obviously has to involve discomfort, discipline and sacrifice.
Fixed  ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on January 16, 2013, 01:07:56 PM
OTH is not saying this is the only way, but it is a fool proof way to do it but it takes epic discipline.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 01:10:50 PM
OTH is not saying this is the only way, but it is a fool proof way to do it but it takes epic discipline.
Thank you white devil  ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 01:12:54 PM
Fixed  ;)
It is not an opinion, it is a fact, FACT. Show us right here right now a faster way, I am calling you out right now in front of all of getbig. Let see a faster way. Outlined right here right now.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Archer77 on January 16, 2013, 01:17:42 PM
I'd like to read what oth has to say about the subject.  He was going to get more specific on food choices but its getting buried under people repeating the same arguments page after page.  I think it's fair to say at this point that any objections to the premise of this thread have been duly noted.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: hangclean on January 16, 2013, 01:21:37 PM
I'd like to read what oth has to say about the subject.  He was going to get more specific on food choices but its getting buried under people repeating the same arguments page after page.  I think it's fair to say at this point that any objections to the premise of this thread have been duly noted.
How specific do you want it to be?  Lean protein and green vegetables is pretty self explanatory.....And the reason people are repeating the same argument is that many people realize that a diet like this is not the best way to do it.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 01:23:14 PM
I'd like to read what oth has to say about the subject.  He was going to get more specific on food choices but its getting buried under people repeating the same arguments page after page.  I think it's fair to say at this point that any objections to the premise of this thread have been duly noted.
Hey bro, glad you are interested, have a list of all ''protein only" foods and 'veggies' sources on page 9, please check them out.  8)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Archer77 on January 16, 2013, 01:23:51 PM
How specific do you want it to be?  Lean protein and green vegetables is pretty self explanatory.....And the reason people are repeating the same argument is that many people realize that a diet like this is not the best way to do it.

As specific as he intended to be.

Hey bro, glad you are interested, have a list of all ''protein only" foods and 'veggies' sources on page 9, please check them out.  8)

Thanks man!


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on January 16, 2013, 01:26:18 PM
I think the problem for a lot of competitors with the no carb approach is that they've been off carbs so long that they become ultra sensitive to them and leading up to a show instead of lowering their intake that they are used to use to fill in, they end up overloading and spilling over.  They used to take 300 grams for example on a normal low carb diet, but on a no carb diet, maybe 100-200 is enough.

Now those that say, "I know so and so competes and takes carbs".  You do know why right?  Insulin baby.  they need the carbs.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 01:28:20 PM
How specific do you want it to be?  Lean protein and green vegetables is pretty self explanatory.....And the reason people are repeating the same argument is that many people realize that a diet like this is not the best way to do it.
Wrong again, it's not self explanatory cause there is a difference with foods that have protein then from ''protein only foods" BIG difference. Also I have prepped people for contest and after 2 shows even 3 they still ask, Can I eat this? and I say no-so for the ones that know it is simple but you will be surprised how many eat things without knowing their proper macros


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 16, 2013, 01:29:21 PM
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Show us right here right now a faster way, I am calling you out right now in front of all of getbig. Let see a faster way. Outlined right here right now.
Its my opinion that for me your diet would end up making me ill and at worst passing out and possibly killing myself in the process.
So for me, it wouldn't be the quickest way to lose weight because it wouldn't be an option at all.
It also wouldn't be an option for a lot of people either, sure it will work for some.
If you took two people with identical metabolisms and genetics and you put one on your diet and another on a diet containing 50/50 carbs and protein, as long as they ate the same calories their weight loss would be identical.

I suppose you are going to chime up with now is "well mines easier because you don't have to count calories" but we addressed that earlier.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 01:30:08 PM
I think the problem for a lot of competitors with the no carb approach is that they've been off carbs so long that they become ultra sensitive to them and leading up to a show instead of lowering their intake that they are used to use to fill in, they end up overloading and spilling over.  They used to take 300 grams for example on a normal low carb diet, but on a no carb diet, maybe 100-200 is enough.

Now those that say, "I know so and so competes and takes carbs".  You do know why right?  Insulin baby.  they need the carbs.
Excellent point, excellent and you are right that is a poblem and a common one too, great point.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: njflex on January 16, 2013, 01:31:23 PM
I think the problem for a lot of competitors with the no carb approach is that they've been off carbs so long that they become ultra sensitive to them and leading up to a show instead of lowering their intake that they are used to use to fill in, they end up overloading and spilling over.  They used to take 300 grams for example on a normal low carb diet, but on a no carb diet, maybe 100-200 is enough.

Now those that say, "I know so and so competes and takes carbs".  You do know why right?  Insulin baby.  they need the carbs.
yeah the insulin thing does increase the ability for carbs and in that the size increase of the body as long as its utilized ,everything can be overdone like to much protein u crap it out,,too many carbs blaoted,smooth condition,fats/carbs too much is another dilemma,,,but right amount of protein with greens/salads/essential fats or extra fats nuts,seeds,olive oil, depending how lean u are is as clean of a diet as u can get,,,boring yes but build wise the mirror will show the results.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 16, 2013, 01:31:52 PM
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Excellent point, excellent and you are right that is a poblem and a common one too, great point.

Poblem?
I think you need some carbs... :)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on January 16, 2013, 01:34:26 PM
yeah the insulin thing does increase the ability for carbs and in that the size increase of the body as long as its utilized ,everything can be overdone like to much protein u crap it out,,too many carbs blaoted,smooth condition,fats/carbs too much is another dilemma,,,but right amount of protein with greens/salads/essential fats or extra fats nuts,seeds,olive oil, depending how lean u are is as clean of a diet as u can get,,,boring yes but build wise the mirror will show the results.

Remember that humans can live fine without greens, they evolved for thousands of years without them.  Eskimos live a life without them.  So do most cultures that live in cold snowy regions.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 01:43:20 PM
Its my opinion that for me your diet would end up making me ill and at worst passing out and possibly killing myself in the process.
So for me, it wouldn't be the quickest way to lose weight because it wouldn't be an option at all.
It also wouldn't be an option for a lot of people either, sure it will work for some.
If you took two people with identical metabolisms and genetics and you put one on your diet and another on a diet containing 50/50 carbs and protein, as long as they ate the same calories their weight loss would be identical.

I suppose you are going to chime up with now is "well mines easier because you don't have to count calories" but we addressed that earlier.
Hahaha that is what I thought, no outlined program that is faster cause there does not exist one. "oh but it's faster for me cause I can not even do it" LMAO  :D

Oh BTW you are right about 50/50 having the same weight lose- same speed., no argument there but what exactly is your point cause I said the fastest way while maintaining muscle, the 50/50 would not maintain as much muscle so still does not prove shit.

I also think that your lack of will power is what stops your from going no carbs not some fancy medical term you use as a cop out.

So conclusion remains that this diet is still the fastest way to lose fat while maintaining muscle


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: njflex on January 16, 2013, 01:45:51 PM
Remember that humans can live fine without greens, they evolved for thousands of years without them.  Eskimos live a life without them.  So do most cultures that live in cold snowy regions.
I'M SURE,,,


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 01:49:18 PM
Poblem?
I think you need some carbs... :)
No, you just need to pay attention on carb up days how you respond to carbs. Nice try there but keep trying, you have tried for 18 pages and have failed miserably.  ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 16, 2013, 01:58:27 PM
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Oh BTW you are right about 50/50 having the same weight lose- same speed., no argument there but what exactly is your point cause I said the fastest way while maintaining muscle, the 50/50 would not maintain as much muscle so still does not prove shit.

Evidence please, you are again posting your opinions as facts.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 02:07:12 PM
Evidence please, you are again posting your opinions as facts.
By going 50/50 you are sacrificing and enormous portion of your daily protein ( extremely needed to notlose muscle) which will result in not enough protein to sustain maximum muscle while dieting, seriously WTF am I talking to a fucken 3rd grader. I am sorry I have refrained from name calling and I hate to do this but fuck brother YOU ARE FUCKEN DUMB for that last post, sorry just plain fucken dumb.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 16, 2013, 02:13:38 PM
Google "protein sparing"
http://www.livestrong.com/article/449805-what-is-the-protein-sparing-effect/
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Making New Glucose
When you do not replenish glucose from your depleted glycogen stores by eating carbohydrate, your body dismantles protein from your muscle tissues to convert it to glucose. When it must, your body can convert its own protein tissues to glucose for survival, but protein has other jobs of its own that no other nutrient can do, so sparing protein for its main role is a priority for your body.




Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: njflex on January 16, 2013, 02:26:07 PM
UKJEFF U POSTED 2 PICS U LOOK GREAT IN 96 AND VERY GOOD RECENT ONE REALLY...TAKE IT FOR WHAT IS WORTH WHAT DO U FOLLOW THEN AND NOW AS YOUR REGIMINE TO STAY RIPPED????


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 16, 2013, 02:27:05 PM
OTH has just read my last post
(http://gifs.gifbin.com/1238157980_scanners_-_head_explosion.gif)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 16, 2013, 02:35:22 PM
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UKJEFF U POSTED 2 PICS U LOOK GREAT IN 96 AND VERY GOOD RECENT ONE REALLY...TAKE IT FOR WHAT IS WORTH WHAT DO U FOLLOW THEN AND NOW AS YOUR REGIMINE TO STAY RIPPED?
I just eat a balanced diet of protein carbs and fats, I dont stay in shape year round, Im carrying a bit at the moment because I like life, I enjoy going out to eat life's too short to be wasting it being miserable because of your diet.
If I wanted to drop some weight I would do it slowly, 1lb ideally or 2lb a week MAXIMUM, if Im losing faster than that I up my calories.

OTH cant decide if his diet is the best or the easiest, he keeps flip flopping.
Whats hard about measuring out the right amount of rice for a day and then using the same container every day?
Maybe OTH diet has to be so basic because he cant work out how many carbs he needs because he cant think straight due to lack of carbs.  :)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: hangclean on January 16, 2013, 02:38:06 PM
Wrong again, it's not self explanatory cause there is a difference with foods that have protein then from ''protein only foods" BIG difference. Also I have prepped people for contest and after 2 shows even 3 they still ask, Can I eat this? and I say no-so for the ones that know it is simple but you will be surprised how many eat things without knowing their proper macros
Hence, why i said "Lean protein".  If someone cant figure out what lean protein is, they need more than just diet advice.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 02:41:31 PM
Google "protein sparing"
http://www.livestrong.com/article/449805-what-is-the-protein-sparing-effect/

Pleassssss  ::)

I drop my protein intake my muscle is gone brother. Losing muscle cause your glycogen is low is a croc of shit and if it is not then it is a microscopic problem cause I have never once noticed that, either way comparing that to the loss of muscle you will have from not getting enough protein is like comparing a sling shot to a bazooka, so no matter how you cut it your argument is still retarted and you are still as stupid as they come. WOW unbelievable, a miracle you look like you do being this retarted.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: njflex on January 16, 2013, 02:43:52 PM
I just eat a balanced diet of protein carbs and fats, I dont stay in shape year round, Im carrying a bit at the moment because I like life, I enjoy going out to eat life's too short to be wasting it being miserable because of your diet.
If I wanted to drop some weight I would do it slowly, 1lb ideally or 2lb a week MAXIMUM, if Im losing faster than that I up my calories.

OTH cant decide if his diet is the best or the easiest, he keeps flip flopping.
Whats hard about measuring out the right amount of rice for a day and then using the same container every day?
Maybe OTH diet has to be so basic because he cant work out how many carbs he needs because he cant think straight due to lack of carbs.  :)
THANX....


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on January 16, 2013, 02:46:33 PM
Remember that humans can live fine without greens, they evolved for thousands of years without them.  Eskimos live a life without them.  So do most cultures that live in cold snowy regions.

I wonder if living in cold weather regions has any effect of suppressing fungus in the body?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on January 16, 2013, 02:49:19 PM
I wonder if all these people who can't handle a super low carb diet because of how they feel won't someday find out they are really borderline and or type II diabetics?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 16, 2013, 02:49:54 PM
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Losing muscle cause your glycogen is low is a croc of shit
So you keep saying, you are aware science disagrees with you aren't you?
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WOW unbelievable, a miracle you look like you do being this retarted.
Retarted??
Have a candy bar mate,

It may be just my great genetics you know.  ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Mjolnir on January 16, 2013, 02:50:43 PM
This is driving me nuts!  If you haven't TRIED the diet as OTH has suggested then do NOT fucking comment you do not KNOW how efficient it is.  I have tried it, I am on it right now and it's the best diet I have EVER used whether it is OTH's original idea or not (I know it isn't)!  Just do the diet for a couple of weeks and then come back and report in don't talk shit about it until you've tried, got that Jeff?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ilalin on January 16, 2013, 02:51:13 PM
hey Onetimehard, I'm following your advice on dieting and just wanted to know if clen can be incorporated in this program.
sorry if you already talked about it


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 02:56:30 PM
I just eat a balanced diet of protein carbs and fats, I dont stay in shape year round, Im carrying a bit at the moment because I like life, I enjoy going out to eat life's too short to be wasting it being miserable because of your diet.
If I wanted to drop some weight I would do it slowly, 1lb ideally or 2lb a week MAXIMUM, if Im losing faster than that I up my calories.

OTH cant decide if his diet is the best or the easiest, he keeps flip flopping.
Whats hard about measuring out the right amount of rice for a day and then using the same container every day?
Maybe OTH diet has to be so basic because he cant work out how many carbs he needs because he cant think straight due to lack of carbs.  :)
You are a fucken idiot, I have been consistent this whole thread and what the fuck does hard have to do with it, are you some kind of a pussy, man the fuck up loser. All I keep hearing from this whining bitch is how hard it is and you can't take it, 1-800-cry me a fucken river.

The best diet is the one the person chooses you retard, you can not say any diet is the best, everyone on the planet is different, if someone does not like a diet then it obviously is not the best. I never claimed the extreme version of my diet is the best, NEVER, nor will I ever. What I claimed and still claim is that it is the fastest and I called you out to write something right here right now that is faster and you did not and you can not, you just talk shit for no reason like a bitch.

Tell me brother how many people have benefited from your posts on this thread, HOW MANY. You are just a trouble maker who I tried to be reasonable with but I am getting PMs saying how much of a fucken goof you have been and how annoying you have been so ya enough is enough bro. Give it up, how much more of a fucken tool are you going to be?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 02:58:27 PM
This is driving me nuts!  If you haven't TRIED the diet as OTH has suggested then do NOT fucking comment you do not KNOW how efficient it is.  I have tried it, I am on it right now and it's the best diet I have EVER used whether it is OTH's original idea or not (I know it isn't)!  Just do the diet for a couple of weeks and then come back and report in don't talk shit about it until you've tried, got that Jeff?
Bro you are a warrior who is mentally discipline  ;) , Jeff is just a whiny little bitch who can't hack it.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 02:59:14 PM
hey Onetimehard, I'm following your advice on dieting and just wanted to know if clen can be incorporated in this program.
sorry if you already talked about it
absolutely brother  8)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 03:02:35 PM
Hence, why i said "Lean protein".  If someone cant figure out what lean protein is, they need more than just diet advice.
No they need diet advise and a list of "protein only" foods, just cause you know your shit does not mean others do and we all have to start somewhere so it's not nice to mock someone (not saying you are) on their lack of knowledge.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Wiggs on January 16, 2013, 03:07:41 PM
 :D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 16, 2013, 03:11:54 PM
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You are a fucken idiot, I have been consistent this whole thread and what the fuck does hard have to do with it, are you some kind of a pussy, man the fuck up loser. All I keep hearing from this whining bitch is how hard it is and you can't take it, 1-800-cry me a fucken river.
Are you drunk?
That post was my answer to someone else who asked my what my diet was.
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I never claimed the extreme version of my diet is the best, NEVER, nor will I ever. What I claimed and still claim is that it is the fastest and I called you out to write something right here right now that is faster and you did not and you can not, you just talk shit for no reason like a bitch.
So it's the easiest as far as prep goes and it's the quickest but it isn't the best??  ???
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Tell me brother how many people have benefited from your posts on this thread, HOW MANY. You are just a trouble maker who I tried to be reasonable with but I am getting PMs saying how much of a fucken goof you have been and how annoying you have been so ya enough is enough bro. Give it up, how much more of a fucken tool are you going to be?
Have some carbs and cut the dose, you fucking wild man.
Chill out, I have agreed that your diet will work, I have agreed its less complicated (only just) than adding carbs, Im just giving scientifically backed evidence why protein only isn't the ideal way to go.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Army of One on January 16, 2013, 03:13:41 PM
Would loose skin be a problem on this diet due to the speed of fat loss?Ive pigged out over Christmas and am around 13-14%, if I want to get down 8-9% in 6 weeks that would be ok?Normally cut far slower.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Borracho on January 16, 2013, 03:14:55 PM
Kinda like arguing who the hottest chick on the planet is when the bottom line is they all have vaginas.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 16, 2013, 03:16:30 PM
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Would loose skin be a problem on this diet due to the speed of fat loss?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_NB7Bwdam9SY/TIpLo-eNdDI/AAAAAAAAESE/Sgtb387pIRI/s1600/2-10.jpg)
This is oth last success story.

Loose skin depends a lot on age and how long you have been out of shape, dropping 50lbs in 12 weeks is insane.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: booty on January 16, 2013, 03:20:24 PM
^^^^^^^  Omg that's when someone needs to stay on the heavier side.   :o


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 03:20:28 PM
Are you drunk?
That post was my answer to someone else who asked my what my diet was.So it's the easiest as far as prep goes and it's the quickest but it isn't the best??  ???Have some carbs and cut the dose, you fucking wild man.
Chill out, I have agreed that your diet will work, I have agreed its less complicated (only just) than adding carbs, Im just giving scientifically backed evidence why protein only isn't the ideal way to go.
I will chill, but you keep coming and coming, like a pest bro, it's anoying to the point people are PMing say how much of a goof you are. You are not contributing to this thread that is why I am mad cause you are taking from people who I am trying to help. A lot of people are following my advise, I am just a middleman bro but that is what I enjoy is to give advise, always have always will so what is your agenda here bro, I just gave you mine, so what's up? you are just being annoying, you are not accomplishing anything at this point


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 03:21:05 PM
Kinda like arguing who the hottest chick on the planet is when the bottom line is they all have vaginas.
I like that one lol  ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 03:25:43 PM
Would loose skin be a problem on this diet due to the speed of fat loss?Ive pigged out over Christmas and am around 13-14%, if I want to get down 8-9% in 6 weeks that would be ok?Normally cut far slower.
From 14-9 lose skin will not be a problem, from 20+ to 9 would be. Lose skin will come regardless of any diet, it will also retract regardless of any diet, but yes on this diet it will be more noticeable at the beginning cause the fat comes off so quickly but nevertheless it will retract through time.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 16, 2013, 03:38:08 PM
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I will chill, but you keep coming and coming, like a pest bro, it's anoying to the point people are PMing say how much of a goof you are. You are not contributing to this thread that is why I am mad cause you are taking from people who I am trying to help. A lot of people are following my advise, I am just a middleman bro but that is what I enjoy is to give advise, always have always will so what is your agenda here bro, I just gave you mine, so what's up? you are just being annoying, you are not accomplishing anything at this point
You are like a street drug dealer who thinks someone is selling on his patch, I'm just offering something different, its not better than yours, its just different.
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From 14-9 lose skin will not be a problem, from 20+ to 9 would be. Lose skin will come regardless of any diet, it will also retract regardless of any diet, but yes on this diet it will be more noticeable at the beginning cause the fat comes off so quickly but nevertheless it will retract through time.
Lol..no it wont, thats why they have surgery for guys like the one in the photo.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 03:46:05 PM
You are like a street drug dealer who thinks someone is selling on his patch, I'm just offering something different, its not better than yours, its just different.Lol..no it wont, thats why they have surgery for guys like the one in the photo.
Obviously that case above won't retract you retard. And what the fuck are you on about "drug dealer" what the fuck  ??? ??? ???

You are not offering something different you fucken liar. You have not offered shit, not 1 person has benefitted from anything you said here you loser, what offer?, offer what?, where is this diet that you are offering?, I don't see shit.

All I see is a whiny bitch crying that he can't take this type of diet,where are your plans people want results so deliver this,let see,come on give them something.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 16, 2013, 03:49:00 PM
So OTH the time has come for you to post some actual verifiable evidence to back up your diet.
You claim it's the fastest way to lose weight and retain muscle so can you show why?
Can we please stop saying "Its because it is" and "try it, it works" and show the guys some science?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 16, 2013, 03:51:39 PM
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Obviously that case above won't retract you retard. And what the fuck are you on about "drug dealer" what the fuck
Its an analogy , maybe it was a bit to complicated for you to grasp bearing in mind you are under suffering from lack of carbs.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: a_ahmed on January 16, 2013, 03:52:52 PM
OTH ignore the homos, you give good advice, they can take it or leave it.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: jakew300 on January 16, 2013, 03:55:37 PM
50 lbs. in 12 weeks is nothing if the person is 100 over fat. 


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 16, 2013, 03:57:23 PM
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All I see is a whiny bitch crying that he can't take this type of diet,where are your plans people want results so deliver this,let see,come on give them something.
Eat 1 gm of protein per lb of bodyweight  the rest of the cals from carbs and fats and eat 500 cals a day less than maintenance, you should lose around a 1lb a week.
If you have a lot of weight to lose, start your prep early.

I suppose thats way to complicated isnt it?  


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 03:58:07 PM
So OTH the time has come for you to pst some actual verifiable evidence to back up your diet.
You claim it's the fastest way to lose weight and retain muscle so can you show why?
Can we please stop saying "Its because it is" and "try it, it works" and show the guys some science?
People on getbig don't give a shit about a science text book bro, they only care what is on the other side of the equal sign, that's it and everyone and their brother have been on here saying it is the fastest and it works and these are experienced witnesses. That is all that is needed here to achieve my what I wanted here. Any further proof being requested by an insignificant nobody like yourself is irrelevant to me as it does not serve my purpose here.

Who the fuck are you?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 16, 2013, 04:00:28 PM
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People on getbig don't give a shit about a science text book bro, they only care what is on the other side of the equal sign, that's it and everyone and their brother have been on here saying it is the fastest and it works and these are experienced witnesses. That is all that is needed here to achieve my what I wanted here. Any further proof being requested by an insignificant nobody like yourself is irrelevant to me as it does not serve my purpose here
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It's a shame people don't want to educate themselves about diet and nutrition, but thats modern bodybuilding I suppose.
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Who the fuck are you?
Someone who's kept your thread at the top of the board.   ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 04:01:24 PM
OTH ignore the homos, you give good advice, they can take it or leave it.
Yes you are right Ahmed, this is what I should do, UKjeff has no idea how he is ruining his rep here as he is exposing himself as an annoying little pest.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 16, 2013, 04:02:44 PM
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UKjeff has no idea how he is ruining his rep
I dont have a "rep" to ruin.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 04:06:20 PM
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It's a shame people don't want to educate themselves about diet and nutrition, but thats modern bodybuilding I suppose.Someone who's kept your thread at the top of the board.   ;)
People do not want to jump hurdles burying there noses in a fucken text book for 5 years before the get shredded when all they have tpo do is read this thread.

You kept this thread at the top?  ???, NOPE you watered down the thread and if you were not in it, it would have hit 30 pages, everyone has left cause they are sick and tired of you interrupting and your whiny antics and clogging up the space with stupidity, you actually ruined the thread you retard.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 04:11:18 PM
50 lbs. in 12 weeks is nothing if the person is 100 over fat. 
Well I wouldn't say nothing, but I know what you mean


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 16, 2013, 04:13:49 PM
Any questions for OTH he cant answer are met with
(http://www.nonprofituniversityblog.org/wp-content/uploads/because_i_said_so_thats_why_post_cards-p239452208012560831baanr_400.jpg)

You claim to be helping people with their weight loss and all you do is put everyone on the same fucking diet, some fucking expert you are, you don't take into account amount of weight to lose, metabolic rates or fuck all.
You keep saying "it works try it" yet you have only been in shape once by your own admission, why is that?
You should change your username to onetimehardandneveragain .


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 16, 2013, 04:15:38 PM
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Trust me bro you do, do you know anything about getbig, wow you are so dumb. That pic you posted and how you competed in 96, well I won't be surprised for one second if your name does not turn up within 2 weeks. This is getbig bro, these motherfuckers... are super fucken smart bro, post a pic of your shoe lace and your name will be revealed inside of 2 days. I hope not BTW.
Roughly translated as "someone find his name for me"


oh, and thats me done with this thread now, see you around the threads


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 04:19:31 PM
Any questions for OTH he cant answer are met with
(http://www.nonprofituniversityblog.org/wp-content/uploads/because_i_said_so_thats_why_post_cards-p239452208012560831baanr_400.jpg)

You claim to be helping people with their weight loss and all you do is put everyone on the same fucking diet, some fucking expert you are, you don't take into account amount of weight to lose, metabolic rates or fuck all.
You keep saying "it works try it" yet you have only been in shape once by your own admission, why is that?
You should change your username to onetimehardandneveragain .
No you dumbass, I get 5-10 pm everyday and I adjust diets for people so no not everyone is on the same diet. LOL you think this thread is where I help people and that's it, lol. Very few ask me questions on an open thread, lmao.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: hangclean on January 16, 2013, 04:22:15 PM
Really, the other issue i have with a diet like this is that it sets most people up for disaster when they stop eating like that.  It's basically priming the body to get fat as fuck.   If you slowly start adding food back in in reasonable amounts it will help curb this, but a lot of people when they stop the ECA and start eating higher carbs/fats are going to blow the fuck up in a bad way.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 04:25:10 PM
Really, the other issue i have with a diet like this is that it sets most people up for disaster when they stop eating like that.  It's basically priming the body to get fat as fuck.   If you slowly start adding food back in in reasonable amounts it will help curb this, but a lot of people when they stop the ECA and start eating higher carbs/fats are going to blow the fuck up in a bad way.
Well duh, you aren't suppose to eat like yokozuna when your done dieting, lol, or go to a buffet 3 times a day.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 16, 2013, 04:26:19 PM
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nor do I care who you
And then you rhyme off all my details  ::)

When I log of this forum it disappears, why would I really care what goes on here if I cant see it?

Sorry, I will stop posting now.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: hangclean on January 16, 2013, 04:27:47 PM
Well duh, you aren't suppose to eat like yokozuna when your done dieting, lol, or go to a buffet 3 times a day.
My point is if you gradually cut carbs over 12 weeks, rather than just eliminating them right off the bat, the rebound is not going to be as bad.  


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 04:32:15 PM
And then you rhyme off all my details  ::)

When I log of this forum it disappears, why would I really care what goes on here if I cant see it?

Sorry, I will stop posting now.
You said that last post you liar, leave, see you, good riddance lmao loser.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: a_ahmed on January 16, 2013, 04:33:04 PM
My point is if you gradually cut carbs over 12 weeks, rather than just eliminating them right off the bat, the rebound is not going to be as bad.  

Or, slowly introduce carbs back. Some people can pull off the crash with PEDs, me even on PEDs i can't just CRASH but I can gradually keep dropping until no carbs or little to nothing. Even with EC, tren, var, etc... I still need some carbs, but everyone is different.

That's why in my post I mentioned how I keep my meals simple in matter of making it, tracking it, etc... I only calculate grams 50g up or down per meal as adjustments not actual calorie counts. That way I know what I'm doing but keepit super simple.

Taking OTH's advice, drop them carbs like so, or crash if you can as per galeniko (he can), but as far as 'rebound' well... maintain for a while then jump on some bulking oriented PEDs like some orals, and introduce them carbs slowly and then bump bump bump u should be gaining mas and not bloat n fat.

You said that last post you liar, leave, see you, good riddance lmao loser.

lol bro just ignore him, that's what i'd do, you must be on like 5G of test and some tren or something right now hahahaha :D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 04:41:16 PM
My point is if you gradually cut carbs over 12 weeks, rather than just eliminating them right off the bat, the rebound is not going to be as bad.  
You obviously have not read the thread, read the first page again bro. I said cut carbs a little bit first, by that I meant go low carbs till you get to single digits bodyfat% then eliminate carbs. So your point is what I wrote on page 1 gradually decrease carbs till you get to no carbs. Now their are a few that can just go no carbs right off the bat like myself, but I don't pig out after I diet, actually I do but I don't get fat anyway.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 04:44:51 PM
Or, slowly introduce carbs back. Some people can pull off the crash with PEDs, me even on PEDs i can't just CRASH but I can gradually keep dropping until no carbs or little to nothing. Even with EC, tren, var, etc... I still need some carbs, but everyone is different.

That's why in my post I mentioned how I keep my meals simple in matter of making it, tracking it, etc... I only calculate grams 50g up or down per meal as adjustments not actual calorie counts. That way I know what I'm doing but keepit super simple.

Taking OTH's advice, drop them carbs like so, or crash if you can as per galeniko (he can), but as far as 'rebound' well... maintain for a while then jump on some bulking oriented PEDs like some orals, and introduce them carbs slowly and then bump bump bump u should be gaining mas and not bloat n fat.

lol bro just ignore him, that's what i'd do, you must be on like 5G of test and some tren or something right now hahahaha :D
Ya I know, lol actually you won't believe this but today was my first injection since Christmas, I swear to you bro, I got the flu really bad then I had coughing and a prolonged fever so finally back to normal and have not been to the gym either. Maybe that's why I am cranky  ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: a_ahmed on January 16, 2013, 05:15:37 PM
lol well that explains a lot! I dunno how but I am so down to earth chill even when on tren (well... I do the low test higher tren ordeal if it was high test I don't think I'd manage). The only time I am ACTUALLY moody or cranky is if I don't sleep enough and thank God, I do get adequate sleep. When I first ever tried tren I could NOT sleep and yes I wanted to chew up everyone lol. The only other time where I get moody is if I am craaaving food, give me food or I'll eat you LOL... ironically though when I fast I am good to go and don't feel cravings. It's a weird thing.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: njflex on January 16, 2013, 05:17:45 PM
96 i took 3rd open middleweight's ,,did cardio 3-4 wks out ,,zero diuretics,zero fat burners,,dieted on 'met rx',,,tuna,chicken,eggwhites,some rice,mostly oats,,whole grain bread up until few wks out,,fruit ,,rice cakes lol,,,decarbed few days out,zeroed carbs full 2 day's if i could recall,then played with water ,protein meals,,then the carb up process ,,the clothes then lol,,,,


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 05:19:53 PM
96 i took 3rd open middleweight's ,,did cardio 3-4 wks out ,,zero diuretics,zero fat burners,,dieted on 'met rx',,,tuna,chicken,eggwhites,some rice,mostly oats,,whole grain bread up until few wks out,,fruit ,,rice cakes lol,,,decarbed few days out,zeroed carbs full 2 day's if i could recall,then played with water ,protein meals,,then the carb up process ,,the clothes then lol,,,,
Nice bro, shredded physique.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: njflex on January 16, 2013, 05:28:25 PM
Nice bro, shredded physique.
i loved getting there,,just death last wk tho,,,and for some reason that time as i started carb cutting and then loading i got bad diarreah my stomach was fukked i took immodium pills cleared up ,,the dehydration did help my dryness ;D....


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Krankenstein on January 16, 2013, 05:38:40 PM
You obviously have not read the thread, read the first page again bro. I said cut carbs a little bit first, by that I meant go low carbs till you get to single digits bodyfat% then eliminate carbs. So your point is what I wrote on page 1 gradually decrease carbs till you get to no carbs. Now their are a few that can just go no carbs right off the bat like myself, but I don't pig out after I diet, actually I do but I don't get fat anyway.

I limit someone's carbs to about 50 - 75gms at first.  After about 2 - 3 weeks they kind of know what they are in for, then I drop to 25/day for a week.  Then ride them zero until we get them to about 6 - 7%.  I will slowly bring the carbs back in for a few days to see how they look.  Maybe 25 - 40gms/day.  Like you said earlier if they start to blur we just drop them.  When I drop carbs down and then do a cheat day.  The following day my legs are so vascular its not even funny.



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 16, 2013, 05:42:19 PM
I limit someone's carbs to about 50 - 75gms at first.  After about 2 - 3 weeks they kind of know what they are in for, then I drop to 25/day for a week.  Then ride them zero until we get them to about 6 - 7%.  I will slowly bring the carbs back in for a few days to see how they look.  Maybe 25 - 40gms/day.  Like you said earlier if they start to blur we just drop them.  When I drop carbs down and then do a cheat day.  The following day my legs are so vascular its not even funny.


^^^ this is perfect 100% perfect, good structure right here gentlemen


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: a_ahmed on January 16, 2013, 05:44:49 PM
lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M5LCPdzsC8


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Krankenstein on January 16, 2013, 08:27:12 PM
same here,the veins pop out it becomes painfull :D

ppl dont seem to get it, carbs on steroids equal bloof for many.

Yep....Sunday being my cheat day, I am usually about 2 meals in when i hit the movies with my bag of M&M's.  My forearms are so vascular that I get comments about them.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: njflex on January 16, 2013, 08:32:22 PM
Yep....Sunday being my cheat day, I am usually about 2 meals in when i hit the movies with my bag of M&M's.  My forearms are so vascular that I get comments about them.
8)...


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Krankenstein on January 16, 2013, 08:55:42 PM
Now if only a cheat day could add inches....   :-\


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: njflex on January 16, 2013, 09:04:17 PM
Now if only a cheat day could add inches....   :-\
how about your kawk,,no homo...


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Rammstein on January 17, 2013, 07:45:45 AM
http://www.basbarbell.com/2012/11/adventures-in-bodybuilding-part-1.html

http://www.basbarbell.com/2012/12/adventures-in-bodybuilding-part-2.html


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Cleanest Natural on January 17, 2013, 08:24:52 AM
OnetimeIateahardone is a nutrition guru as well? Inderasting


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 09:19:33 AM
OnetimeIateahardone is a nutrition guru as well? Inderasting
Bro I can not help you, sorry bro, I know you come to this thread for help but with genetics as awful as yours, it is near impossible to do anything with you, your genetics are that bad.  :-\ :'(


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dre23 on January 17, 2013, 09:37:34 AM
Hmmm...let's see what the god of hormones has to say about this thread and its "knowledgable" posts. Here is a response he gave yesterday on a Dorian Yates related thread...

lol the worst mistake is the carbs intake lol this is something fellas will never get in their head even after I teach it for many yyears

you do not eliminate carbs lol you ave bunch of wanna bes everywhrre saying eliminate carbs high high protein lol those ofourse ones who never did anyting in bodybuild and never will lol

YOU DONT NEED TO ELIMINATE NO CARBS ON 200-300 MG OF TREENBOLONA ACE A DAY AND FUCKING GROWTH HORMONE IN YOUR BLOOD ...WHERER ITS IN BLOOD OR YOU TOOK IT OUT AND ARE INSIDE WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY WHICH I WONT TALK ABOUT YOU CAN READ BIBLE AND SHOULD KNOW IT BY NOW

I DIETED ON 500-1000 CARBS DAILY! ! DOWN TO 6% DRY! D R Y FROM THERE ON IT IS CARB CYCLING ! ! !

NOT ZERO CARB  BALONIE THAT GH15 WANNA BES SPIT ...ORVIL PREPED ON 1000 CARBS A DAY LOL

FELLAS DONT GET IT

WHEN YOU GOT TRENBOLONA ACE IN BLOOD NO MATER WHAT YO UWILL BE SHREDED ..YOU WILL DEF BE RIPPED BUT ALSO SHREDED ...AND YOU CAN NOT EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO CARBS ...MAYBE TO GET PEELED YOULL HAVE TO PAY MORE ATTENTION BUT RIPPED? HELL FUCKING NO

WHEN YOU GOT LEGIT KIGRROPIN YOU NEED TO EAT BALONIE ON PURPOSE!! SO YOU DONT LOSE TOO MUCH FAT TOO FAST LOL...YOU GROW LEAN WILD FREAK

im tellin you some filts have no shame they dnt know a from b and they don't care either...they say and spit shit only for other bodybuid to try and to burn themselves and their muscle because unlike those pussys some bodybuild ACTUALY TRAIN INTENSE! and don't do the winstrol 20 lb dumbbell training...

we EAT SO MANY CARBS I DONT EVEN COUNT WHEN IM 6%...HOW DO I GET TO 6%?

TIMMMME ON TRENBOLONA ACE AND ON GH ....

AND REALY NO NEED FOR ANYTHING ELSE...

THIS IS HOW IT WORK WITH TRENBOLONA ACE HERE..

YOU START 100MG EVERY OTHR DAY ...YOU SEE BALONIE NICE TONING...NICE UMM THICKENING ...SOE HARDENING BUT YOU STIL LOOK LIKE WHATEVER LOCAL ...

YOU INREASE TO 150-300MG EVERY DAY ...DEPENDING ON LEAN MUSCLE ...AND BY WEEK ONE YOU ARE HAPY BUT STILL CANT UNDERSTAND WHAT GH15 IS ALL BARKING ABOUT TRENBOLONA THIS TRENBLONA THAT...YOU ARE HAPY YOU ARE VERY STRONG BUT STILL YOU JUST DONT SEE WHAT GH15 SAID... YOU WRITE GH15 AN EMAIL AND DOUBT HIM

SECOND WEEK ON HIGH DOSE...YOU SEE DIFF BUT LIKE ...ITS NOT 6% YOU SAY TO YOURSELF ITS 6 BUT YOUR HEAD TELL YOU SOMETHING ELSE...THIS IS USUALY WHEN YOU GET INTO THE SINGLE DIGITS...YOU LOOK GOOD YOU REALLY WANT TO BE 6% BUT NOT QUITE..YOU ARE PISSED BEYOND BELIF AND WANT TO KILL GH15...YOU ALSO THINK YOUR FACE LOOK LIKE CHIP MONK KINDA REDISH BLOATED OILY WEIRD KIND OF LEAN AND WEIRD IN A PUFFY KINDA WAY YET BODY IS LEAN ! YOU AT THIS TIME FIGHT WITH EVERYONE AROUND YOU AND SHOUT AT YOUR GIRLFRIEND DAILY AND HOURLY AND JUST DONT GIVE A FUCK AND IN A WAR MODE

THIRD WEEK KINDA THE SAME ....BUT YOU START GETING LOOKS IN GYMNASIUM AND WHILE YOU DEPRESSED YET PUMPED AND HAVE THE GOOD HIGH ....YOU HEAR FROM GIRLS THE WORD  N I C E BODY....BLACK GIRLS WILL TELL THIS SO YOU KNOW ITS NOT A LIE....YOU STIL WALK AROUND WITH A DEATH STARE THINKING OF HOW TO KILL GH15 OR ATLEAST TALK DOWN TO  HIM SOME SO HE CAN SEE IT BUT YOU WONT BE BANNED ....YOU STILL CANT FIGURE OUT WHATS GOING ON ITH YOUR FACE YOU WANT GH155555555 PROMISES YOU ALREADY TRAIND A WHOLE 12 SESSIONS SINCE STARTED ON THIS HIGH TRENBOLONA AND GH15 IS PISSING YOU OFF

FORTH WEEK ...YOU ENTER THE GYMNASIUM DEPRESSED DONT EVEN CARE ANYMORE BECAUSE...YOUR GIRLFRIEND SAID SHE WILL LEAVE YOU AND YOU GOT PROBLEMS DUE TO AGRESSION ...YOU START YOUR TRAINING AND LOOK AROUND AND NOTICE EVERYBODY LOOK AT YOU ...YOU KINDA LIKE IT ...BUT PRETEND YOU DONT NOTICE...YOU THEN SEE SOMEONE YOU HAVENT SEEN FOR A MONTH ...GET TO YOU AND SAY TO YOU ....GOD YOU CHANGED A LOT ...BIG CHANGES ...YOU LOOK GOOD...AND HE WILL EXPLAIN TO YOU HE MEANS DEFINED AND CUT...DRASTIC CHANGE WILL BE THE WORDS...YOU WILL THEN GO HOME....SHAVE YOUR STUPID BEARD...AND REALIZE YOUR FACE HAS CHANGED...YOUR FEATURES ARE ALL OUT...YOUR BONE STRUCTURE LOOK MORE ATTRACTIVE....YOUR B O D Y F A T IS LOWERR AND YOU DONT NEED TO FLEX TO MAKE BELIF ...ITS THERE! YOU FEEL IT BUT YOU ALSO FINALY SEE IT CLEAR....THAT PUFF PUFF FACE HAS BECOME A FUCK ME FACE LEANNNN TO THE EYE SCREAMING POWER...AND YOUR TRAPS SUDENLY LOOK ANGULAR IN AN ATTRACTIVE WAY ....VERY CUT ...AND EVEN YOUR SKIN IS THINNER AS MUCH AS TRENBOLONA ACE WIL GET IT THIN ...NOT LEGIT KIGTROPIN LIKE BUT THINER THAN WHAT YOURE USED TO ...DUE TO FAT LOSS THAT NOW S H O W S ITSELF TO THE NAKED EYE VERY EASILY NOT ONLY YOU FEEL VERY LEAN BUT YOU NOW LOOOOK VERY LEAN AND THIS IS WHEN YOU FIRST THINK TO YOURSELF ....

HEY I MAY KEEP THIS GH15 ALIVE IM KINDA RIPPED!

this is about 4 weeks before the all city of whores try to get you to fuck them ..and yourplenty of fishes whores try to compete for your attention ...when this happen you send my family blessing from the pop

that's how it is with this generation ...but its ok I love them all


gh15 approved


Now Mr. Galenka, you may want to go back to pursuing your daily nose candy habit, because a true bodybuilder you will never be.

This is a HEAVILY misleading thread full of internet diet experts. The rules of the game change when you are dealing with hormonized bodybuilders.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dre23 on January 17, 2013, 09:39:30 AM
oh and the funny part...

you never ate no dry chilken and no brokley ... you never droped carbs ...and you never listen to RETARDS WANNA BES who never done it that speak balonie because they live in the lala land of bodybuild is all nutrition ...

nutrition is PART of what mke you a top champ in the last 4 weeks when your body is already where it need be and you know it well and you are very very good with your hormone intake and respond ,, nutrition by itself can make you healthy...maybe ...all the ones I know ate clean died younger than granpa georgio who lived to be 100 on beans cheese and bbq chiken

still nutrition mater always bettr for the bodybuild to eat more balance but IT DOESNT MEAN DRY CHIKEN AND BROKLY THIS SHIT WONT GT YOU NO WHERE!

gh15 approved


 ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: gh420 on January 17, 2013, 09:53:17 AM
;D
Fuck you and gh15, go post this shit on his website.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: jakew300 on January 17, 2013, 10:02:23 AM
From what I am getting is OTH does not think he is a "Nutritional Guru"  Just using what works.  His diet works fast.  Most people will not stick to a diet unless they see result fast.  I have been on a very similar diet now and in the past.  I have great strength gains and energy goes back up after a week on the diet.  In fact, this is the diet my doctor has me on. 


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Rammstein on January 17, 2013, 10:09:03 AM
SIMPLE- HOW TO GET CONTEST SHREDDED FOR ANYONE.

If you are on HRT or juice then listen up.

... and if you are not on HRT or juice?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 10:12:04 AM
Hmmm...let's see what the god of hormones has to say about this thread and its "knowledgable" posts. Here is a response he gave yesterday on a Dorian Yates related thread...

Now Mr. Galenka, you may want to go back to pursuing your daily nose candy habit, because a true bodybuilder you will never be.

This is a HEAVILY misleading thread full of internet diet experts. The rules of the game change when you are dealing with hormonized bodybuilders.
Listen up fuck face, look through the thread and tell me where you see the use of gh Einstein, where do you see the use of insulin you fuck face, NO WHERE. This is the extreme end of the spectrum for people on only juice, which sets the standard for dieting and can be adjusted to include carbs. Of course if your using gh and insulin lots of carbs are necessary but that is not the case in this thread.

I challenge you to post a pic of either you or scam artist 15, if not STFU cause I look better then both of you.

So go back to where you came from cause you don't even have the balls to identify yourself, instead you hide behind a fake user, which there is nothing wrong with as long as you are not talking tough, but since you are that is called BEING A FUCKEN PUSSY, So MAN THE FUCK UP, step up or go fuck yourself you little bitch.


GOOF, SLAVE BOY, THIS IS GETBIG BRO, YOU WILL BE RAPED HERE IF YOU ARE BRINGING A CHALLANGE, WE ARE STILL THE HARDEST BOARD IN BODYBUILDING, DON'T YOU EVER FORGET THAT BITCH


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dre23 on January 17, 2013, 10:12:16 AM
galeniko,

You, my good sir, are a skinny twink, and you have no mass...you are a walking twink ....ON DRUGS!

You have never been a bodybuilder. You actually desire to be gh15! But alas, you wont get anywhere with that either because you lack the brains and the experience. Selling drugs does not make one a bodybuilder.

At your very best you are fit guy with single digit bodyfat. No more, no less...end of story.

And worst of all is the fact that you are a narcotic drug addict which completely makes you a douche.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 10:13:01 AM
From what I am getting is OTH does not think he is a "Nutritional Guru"  Just using what works.  His diet works fast.  Most people will not stick to a diet unless they see result fast.  I have been on a very similar diet now and in the past.  I have great strength gains and energy goes back up after a week on the diet.  In fact, this is the diet my doctor has me on. 
Spot on


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 10:15:08 AM
... and if you are not on HRT or juice?
Then I do not recommend all carbs be taken out


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dre23 on January 17, 2013, 10:16:17 AM
And lastly, with regard to the gh15 members who look lean all year...why don't you log on to your account at ripped.com. It will be there that you will see the true, REAL bodybuilders you speak of as there are 1000s on that site.

And if that is not enough for you, then you can always open up any of the IFBB magazines and take a look at the guys inside to see how well the gh15 protocols work.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 10:20:23 AM
And lastly, with regard to the gh15 members who look lean all year...why don't you log on to your account at spam. It will be there that you will see the true, REAL bodybuilders you speak of as there are 1000s on that site.

And if that is not enough for you, then you can always open up any of the IFBB magazines and take a look at the guys inside to see how well the gh15 protocols work.

Not one pro in history of the ifbb has said he got there cause of gh15, NOT ONE. so far you have only talked and talk is cheap. You have not backed up anything and you still remain anonymous so you count for ZERO,  you are an insignificant NOBODY so go fuck yourself and get lost unless you are a glutton for punishment.

a thousand ifbb pros and gh15 has not made even one of them


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 17, 2013, 10:31:38 AM
You will lose weight in one week on this diet, although it will be mostly water weight due to the lack of carbs.

I never got the "it's only water weight"  comment...You hear from every idiot on the planet ( not saying you are an idiot). weight is weight. and losing water is a good thing if you want to be muscular


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 10:39:19 AM
I never got the "it's only water weight"  comment...You hear from every idiot on the planet ( not saying you are an idiot). weight is weight. and losing water is a good thing if you want to be muscular
I am, he was posting some valid point until he said that a drastic drop in protein intake WILL NOT result in muscle lost, trust me, he is  fucken idiot  :D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: njflex on January 17, 2013, 11:09:51 AM
I never got the "it's only water weight"  comment...You hear from every idiot on the planet ( not saying you are an idiot). weight is weight. and losing water is a good thing if you want to be muscular
LOL,,,TRUE..


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 11:26:35 AM
LMAO,  wow just wow.

Just got a pm from someone who has seen a pic of this DRE23 character and turns out he FAT, I mean obese FAT. The internet is a wonderful thing isn't? only here will you find some ORCA FAT guy jumping on a diet thread issuing a challenge, wow and it gets even better, he is fat and is one of those guys that go around saying "I am a powerlifter" fucken hilarious.

No wonder your fat cause you believe you can 500+ grams of carbs daily while dieting.  :D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: The True Adonis on January 17, 2013, 11:28:35 AM
I`m going to eat 10,000 calories a day of liquid egg whites and get ripped this summer.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 11:30:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uivDLBEM6Ms


LMAO  :D ;D :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: njflex on January 17, 2013, 11:38:30 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uivDLBEM6Ms


LMAO  :D ;D :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
i hear what your saying,looks thick there .i mean not my build type ,is he strong for his size.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: The True Adonis on January 17, 2013, 11:41:14 AM
I`m going to drink 10,000 calories of Chocolate Milk and be ripped by Spring.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 11:45:50 AM
i hear what your saying,looks thick there .i mean not my build type ,is he strong for his size.
He is a powerlifter and he is fat, strong? yes, but coming on here claiming this thread is baloney and challenging us shredded guys he is certainly not qualified to do so. He has never seen his waist in the 30's, probably 42 inches or higher so he needs to stick to his area of powerlifting and eating chocolate but get the fuck out of the way when it comes to dieting.

The man called galeniko a twink, ya real smart calling someone who is 220lb at 6% bodyfat a twink, what a fucken moron.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 11:48:19 AM
I`m going to drink 10,000 calories of Chocolate Milk and be ripped by Spring.
Chocolet milk is not a "protein only" food so good luck with that you will be fat as hell.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Wiggs on January 17, 2013, 11:49:11 AM
 :-*


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 11:51:21 AM
:-*
Yes Wiggs we saw this the first time, what is your point? I can show you an article where Jay Cutler says the same thing, which is even 100 times more impactful then this article, but again I am missing your point here.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: snx on January 17, 2013, 11:53:40 AM
:-*

Wiggs...you really believe Mentzer?

He was a very good marketer, as crazy as he was. His mail order business, at its peak, was a 7-figure business and far eclipsed Arnold's at the time. He was the master at pushing iconoclastic ideas (at the time) in an effort to differentiate his books/manuals/mail-order-business/persona.  

Are you sure he really believed this? Or was he just peddling his scheme to sell a few more newsletters to would be bb'ers?

Take it with a grain of salt.

PS: I don't think he's wrong, per se. I've dieted on foods like that too. But I really doubt he got into contest condition eating that way. No one did that in those days, and there's no way he'd do it in real life just to be different.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ilalin on January 17, 2013, 11:54:37 AM
onetimehard how would you incorporate clen in your diet?
or would you?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Wiggs on January 17, 2013, 11:55:13 AM
Yes Wiggs we saw this the first time, what is your point? I can show you an article where Jay Cutler says the same thing, which is even 100 times more impactful then this article, but again I am missing your point here.

No it's not. Jay is not an authority like Mentzer. Mentzer was an authority on training and nutrition. Jay? he uses Rambod. Not much of an authority when what you do comes from someone else's ideas. The article speaks for itself. Carbs are not the enemy.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Wiggs on January 17, 2013, 11:59:51 AM
Wiggs...you really believe Mentzer?

He was a very good marketer, as crazy as he was. His mail order business, at its peak, was a 7-figure business and far eclipsed Arnold's at the time. He was the master at pushing iconoclastic ideas (at the time) in an effort to differentiate his books/manuals/mail-order-business/persona.  

Are you sure he really believed this? Or was he just peddling his scheme to sell a few more newsletters to would be bb'ers?

Take it with a grain of salt.

PS: I don't think he's wrong, per se. I've dieted on foods like that too. But I really doubt he got into contest condition eating that way. No one did that in those days, and there's no way he'd do it in real life just to be different.

I believe it because bodybuilders have been dieting with carbs for 30 years including the 90 which they we're in their best condition. What's so hard to understand? BALANCE


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 12:02:23 PM
No it's not. Jay is not an authority like Mentzer. Mentzer was an authority on training and nutrition. Jay? he uses Rambod. Not much of an authority when what you do comes from someone else's ideas. The article speaks for itself. Carbs are not the enemy.
Who cares, why are you dragging me into an argument, I have nothing but headaches from a few little pests lately, not going to get into it with you on who has more authority between Mike or Jay, I really do not care.

As for carbs go, no one said they were the enemy all I said is it is faster to get leaner without them. I never said No carbs was the best way either cause the best way is what the individual likes not any particular protocol. I personally like  No carbs cause I don't like paying for the same real estate twice, so for me it is the best way for someone else dieting with low carbs is the best way.
 
Now please get this through your head for the 1000's time


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 12:03:52 PM
onetimehard how would you incorporate clen in your diet?
or would you?
Let me get back to you in a few hours, running late, have to run. Also will post a mild cycle for cutting as well


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: The True Adonis on January 17, 2013, 12:04:34 PM
Chocolet milk is not a "protein only" food so good luck with that you will be fat as hell.
There are trace carbohydrates in chicken breast.

Anyways, back to my original plan.  10,000 calories of liquid egg whites.  I will be shredded by May.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ilalin on January 17, 2013, 12:10:15 PM
Let me get back to you in a few hours, running late, have to run. Also will post a mild cycle for cutting as well

Thanks


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: jprc10 on January 17, 2013, 12:26:24 PM
Wiggs...you really believe Mentzer?

He was a very good marketer, as crazy as he was. His mail order business, at its peak, was a 7-figure business and far eclipsed Arnold's at the time. He was the master at pushing iconoclastic ideas (at the time) in an effort to differentiate his books/manuals/mail-order-business/persona.  

Are you sure he really believed this? Or was he just peddling his scheme to sell a few more newsletters to would be bb'ers?

Take it with a grain of salt.

PS: I don't think he's wrong, per se. I've dieted on foods like that too. But I really doubt he got into contest condition eating that way. No one did that in those days, and there's no way he'd do it in real life just to be different.

Was Dorian lying here too?

5:00-5:36

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvGZCeKfqSk

The bodybuilder with arguably the best conditioning to date dieted with plenty of carbs.
Now, the chocolate thing he only did when he was an amateur starting out, but it is possible...as it is possible Mentzer ate the foods he said he did and got ripped.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Krankenstein on January 17, 2013, 12:28:03 PM
And lastly, with regard to the gh15 members who look lean all year...why don't you log on to your account at spam. It will be there that you will see the true, REAL bodybuilders you speak of as there are 1000s on that site.

And if that is not enough for you, then you can always open up any of the IFBB magazines and take a look at the guys inside to see how well the gh15 protocols work.


So show us how well the protocols work.  Serioulsy.

BTW which one of the many that run the GH15 account are you?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: jprc10 on January 17, 2013, 12:35:15 PM
yes he lies about his drug use and see the insulin point further above in the thread

huh?  ???

I specifically referred to his remark about how he used to diet as an amateur, I don't recall him mentioning drugs in this video.
I also don't think he was already using insulin when he started out, only later. What about Mentzer? Do you know how Danny Padilla dieted for the 81 Olympia? (his best condition)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: jprc10 on January 17, 2013, 01:07:11 PM
This is what Danny Padilla supposedly did for the 81 O, taken from an interview he did.

What training methods did you use at the time? Also, describe your pre-contest diet at this time.

    A. Each body part was trained twice a week. The push-pull system was used the last 10-weeks before the show, three times a week. I went against rules of low carbs and stayed on 80-grams of protein and consumed all the carbs that I needed


What a surprise calorie restriction works for fat loss!  ::)

Seriously, high protein low carb, high carb low protein, or whatever..calorie reduction = calorie deficit = fat loss. Its not magic.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: a_ahmed on January 17, 2013, 04:59:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uivDLBEM6Ms


LMAO  :D ;D :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

rotflmao what the hell did i just watch  :o

You know that saying erhm.. uh.. if there ever was a human balloon or michelin man >_>

(http://www.lolbrary.com/content/460/the-michelin-man-should-be-black-21460.jpg)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Shockwave on January 17, 2013, 06:23:17 PM
I believe it because bodybuilders have been dieting with carbs for 30 years including the 90 which they we're in their best condition. What's so hard to understand? BALANCE
Dorian ate shit tons of carbs while dieting. And we all know that he usually set the standard for conditioning...


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Archer77 on January 17, 2013, 07:31:56 PM
What part did all the amphetamines play in Mentzers dieting?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: el numero uno on January 17, 2013, 07:47:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uivDLBEM6Ms


LMAO  :D ;D :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

What a fucking joke  ::)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: el numero uno on January 17, 2013, 07:53:38 PM
You guys are killing me, since when a pro bodybuilder's word is reliable?? The lie about pretty much everything ffs  ::), their weight, how much they lift, how hard they train, their drug use, their incomes, but no... they said they diet on a shitload of carbs so it must be true.  ::)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: el numero uno on January 17, 2013, 08:07:14 PM
dorian i dont believe a word, hes good huy and all, but not very thrustworthy on these matters.

mentzer was amphetamine addict, anyone gets shredded on that stuff.

levrone says he dieted with nothing but brokoli and fish.

why do the pros do carb ups before contest, could it be bc they need to refill the glycogen stores bc they had little carbs before that?




Exactly!


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Shockwave on January 17, 2013, 08:19:30 PM
dorian i dont believe a word, hes good huy and all, but not very thrustworthy on these matters.

mentzer was amphetamine addict, anyone gets shredded on that stuff.

levrone says he dieted with nothing but brokoli and fish.

why do the pros do carb ups before contest, could it be bc they need to refill the glycogen stores bc they had little carbs before that?



The question is what would Dorian possibly have to gain by lying about his diet? He basically said he kept an even balance of protein and carbs.

Not like he was espousing some crazy diet to sell shit or trying to minimize his drug usage... He just said his diet was old school and based on what he learned about how the body uses food for fuel. Remember, this was the 90's, the low/no carb fad seemed to hit at the end of the 90's/early 2000's.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Shockwave on January 17, 2013, 08:30:09 PM
maybe he still makes money by advicing ppl on diet and wants everyone to think he knows it all.

i wouldnt ask for diet tips from such a huge guy with such drug regiment,

say if hes on hrt these days, everthing considered, ill rather have my body.


This was from his contest days, 92-95'ish interviews. He basically said he didn't do anything special, balanced carbs and protein, minimal fats, old school diet.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 08:51:41 PM
What did I miss, lol, dre23 won't recover  :-[ :'( he got a dose of getbig ownage, the hardest board on the planet. Fuck me  ;D



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: tommywishbone on January 17, 2013, 09:36:43 PM
All right, all right. Enough nonsense- you cats want to get ripped? P90X.

This thread is offically over.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 09:43:06 PM
All right, all right. Enough nonsense- you cats want to get ripped? P90X.

This thread is offically over.
Bro, you don't know what unfolded today?, lmao, dre23 comes over here from the scam15 website and makes a total fucken fool of himself and gets owned here on getbig, I know, WTF was he thinking?

anyhow, trust me the elfs are on their way here with reinforcements,   ;D   We are going to send them back exactly where they came from  8)

Stay tuned.  ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: cephissus on January 17, 2013, 09:59:16 PM
lol utter destruction from galeniko


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: tommywishbone on January 17, 2013, 10:03:01 PM
Bro, you don't know what unfolded today?, lmao, dre23 comes over here from the scam15 website and makes a total fucken fool of himself and gets owned here on getbig, I know, WTF was he thinking?

anyhow, trust me the elfs are on their way here with reinforcements,   ;D   We are going to send them back exactly where they came from  8)

Stay tuned.  ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: tommywishbone on January 17, 2013, 10:05:53 PM
"The pyramids were built by aliens."  -gh15
"I use the same needle for 100+ injections."   -gh15
"500 mg per day of Anadrol is common for many bodybuilders."   -gh15
"I have seen the actual defense plans for nuclear attack."    -gh15
"Mike O'Hearn can not squat 315 for reps."  -gh15


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 10:19:22 PM
onetimehard how would you incorporate clen in your diet?
or would you?
Incorporating clen on a no carb diet

TWO ways to do this, one requires you change your diet every two weeks and the other allows you to keep the same diet, however, your ECA protocol has to be changed.

Protocol one; Ok you are running on zero carbs so ECA is a must, and NO CARB diet has to include a stimulant such as ECA no matter what so since ECA and Clen together is rather hard on your heart, so I propose you take clen for 2 weeks and then ECA for 2 weeks, Clen for 2 weeks and then ECA for 2 weeks etc.

The 2 weeks you are on clen you will not have ECA to fuel your workout so you must take in carb pre-workout, but we are talking 100-150 grams of carbs daily. So your diet will be a no carb diet for 2 weeks (ECA) then a low carb diet for 2 weeks (Clen) etc. Plain and simple.


Protocol two; This one is a little harder so DO NOT do it if you are feeling to much anxiety, BE CAREFUL.

As mentioned earlier in the thread that on a NO CARB diet one must take ECA for 2 different reasons- reason #1 to stimulate your workout and reason #2- to stimulate fat burning and appetite suppressant.

 Once you start taking Clen drop reason #2, I repeat drop taking ECA multiple times per day as a fat burner and an appetite suppressant. Now the reason is your fat burning will come from Clen and it is already doing a good job so ECA for fat burning is NOT necessary, also there are NO synergistic affect anyway. Now you still need to take ECA as a stimulant pre-workout, this is a must to fuel your workout. At this point nothing changes in your diet, still a no carb diet with Clen as your main source of fat-lose tool and ECA as your main source of stimulant to duel your workout.

CONCLUSION; Do not ask me which one is better, it is not anyones call but yours, this could be hard on your system so make sure you dot all i's and cross all your t's before you make a mistake that can hurt you.

Now as far as dosage, again Clen reactions vary from person to person so I do not know what would be to much or to little for anyone, but I will say this though; start at 20mcg and work your way up, add a little every 2 days until you reach what you like. If you do protocol 2 since you are on ECA as well I would not recommend you ever cross 100 mcg daily and that is a lot. Most people stick to 40-60.




Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dre23 on January 17, 2013, 10:23:36 PM
You know what guys...you are 100% correct that I was FAT!!!!

But if you knew my journey and where I've come from you might say things differently, but seeing the desire here to crush the human spirit, that is also doubtful. I try to be an honest person and act with some morals and conduct myself in a manner that others respect.

I will be very brief and say this. A year and a half ago I was near 500lb bodyweight due to a brain tumor that damaged my hypothalamus and had a death sentence. Yet through bodybuilding diet/training I have lost almost 200lbs.

No, I am not ripped...yet, but I do know what dietary principles have worked with me so far and that the proper carbs utilized will still allow one to burn fat in the correct environment.

You all can peronally attack me all you want and do your little 3rd grade name-calling, but my personal calling is higher than that as I hope to encourage and motivate others to achieve the body that they want, despite whatever obstacles may present themselves.

With that said, the truth is the truth and you can not compare a non-hormonized lifter and his diet to a hormonized one...it is night and day! Do not ignore the basic principle of the hormone Trenbolone that with time and consistency will get any serious lifter down to 6%. But this hormone NEEDS carbs. Hgh needs carbs. Insulin needs carbs.

Now you can personally attack me all you want. That doesn't remove from the arena the fact that diet only matters when one is in a natural state, not when they are full of varying hormones.

In the end, to those who are serious bodybuilders (a name that I did not call myself), I wish you all the best in your physique endeavors. Because at the end of the day we all want to look in the mirror and be pleased with the product that we have been building.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: tommywishbone on January 17, 2013, 10:26:16 PM
Oh hi dre23. I've heard all about you. You're that gay bastard that acts as gh15 bottom twink on Tuesdays.

Nice to meet you.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dre23 on January 17, 2013, 10:28:46 PM
Oh hi dre23. I've heard all about you. You're that gay bastard that acts as gh15 bottom twink on Tuesdays.

Nice to meet you.

The pleasure is all mine.  ;)

And actually it is Tuesdays and every other Thursday.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: tommywishbone on January 17, 2013, 10:29:25 PM
The pleasure is all mine.  ;)

You little ol' cupcake.  Carry on.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 10:32:16 PM
Brother you brought it upon yourself. What did you expect from us, you did not come here humble bro. You came here full of pride and arrogance. You were mocking and bringing in gh15 like he has authority here, we do not like him and if you do that's fine bro, nothing wrong with that but remain on your side of the fence bro.

Also you obviously did not review the thread properly or you would know this diet is not for anyone on gh or insulin, it is only for people who take juice only and carbs is not needed for them, juice does not work better because carbs are present. Gh and insulin do however so non of us would recommend a NO CARB diet for anyone on gh and insulin so your point is a mute point.

Now like I said if there was something you did not like you should have approached us a little different in a more modest way and you would be respected but as it stands you got what you deserved.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dre23 on January 17, 2013, 10:35:13 PM
Brother you brought it upon yourself. What did you expect from us, you did not come here humble bro. You came here full of pride and arrogance. You were mocking and bringing in gh15 like he has authority here, we do not like him and if you do that's fine bro, nothing wrong with that but remain on your side of the fence bro.

Also you obviously did not review the thread properly or you would know this diet is not for anyone on gh or insulin, it is only for people who take juice only and carbs is not needed for them, juice does not work better because carbs are present. Gh and insulin do however so non of us would recommend a NO CARB diet for anyone on gh and insulin so your point is a mute point.

Now like I said if there was something you did not like you should have approached us a little different in a more modest way and you would be respected but as it stands you got what you deserved.

Can't argue with that (no sarcasm).

Hey, I can admit that I came across guns a blazing. And of course you all unleashed the flame-throwers!!!  ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 10:38:26 PM
Can't argue with that (no sarcasm).

Hey, I can admit that I came across guns a blazing. And of course you all unleashed the flame-throwers!!!  ;D
Glad you understand, we will tone it down a notch then  ;)  ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dre23 on January 17, 2013, 10:38:39 PM
do you ever donate blood,dre23?

how do the docs find your veins, do they cut you open?


what does 23 in your name stand for?

number of boyfrends?

optimistic bodyfat guess?
i promised him ill "do him" :D


what ami reading "reinforcements"?dre23 doesnt need that, i think hes bulletproof, im not sure a bullet could go through all that bloof and still cause damage.

kinda like shooting someone underwater, it dont work.



They were going to look for the vein in my cock, but with my 100" waist, finding my cock is like finding a needle(dick) in a haystack... :-\

And the 23 does not stand for the number of bofriends, but number of times I was rejected by "boyfriends" during my Male Escort days.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 10:39:57 PM
Oh just for the record the guy you called skinny (galeniko) is 220lb at 6% bodyfat, just saying  8) :D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dre23 on January 17, 2013, 11:04:33 PM
Oh just for the record the guy you called skinny (galeniko) is 220lb at 6% bodyfat, just saying  8) :D

Wow, that is great. At what height?
Because 220 at 6% is like 206 at 4% on stage which is a National level competitor. Is he a national level competitor?

You have competed which is great b/c you have stepped onstage as a bodybuilder which many can never say they have done. You competed at 180lbs in great condition. Have you ever done high dose tren ace though? High dose gh? You would see that THEN carbs are necessary in the actual application of this hormone, just as it used by top amatuers and pros at doses of 200mg+ daily.

I'm not saying this as an attack, but just to say what high level competitors do when "dieting" for a show. So in the end it is NOT true that AAS don't need carbs when dieting because they most certainly do. I may be "bloof" now (and I am light years ahead of where I was in that video lol), but my muscle mass is on a VERY high level.

And lastly, if gh15 was not adored on gb, his account would be gone, and yet for some reason the powers that be here on this site still allow it to exist and his posts to remain for all to see.

There is no reason to lie to young guys as to what it takes to get lean, ripped, and stage ready. You will not find one single successful high level amatuer or pro who diets solely on protein. And that is because of the miracle hormones of tren and hgh.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 11:11:45 PM
Wow, that is great. At what height?
Because 220 at 6% is like 206 at 4% on stage which is a National level competitor.

You have competed which is great b/c you have stepped onstage as a bodybuilder which many can never say they have done. You competed at 180lbs in great condition. Have you ever done high dose tren ace though? High dose gh? You would see that THEN carbs are necessary in the actual application of this hormone, just as it used by top amatuers and pros at doses of 200mg+ daily.

I'm not saying this as an attack, but just to say what high level competitors do when "dieting" for a show.
Galiniko is 6 foot I think, I am 5'9 I was in my best condition at 180 6 years ago but last competed at 207lb. Am going hard this year and stepping it up a notch, will be the first time on gh for me. Aiming for the top of the heavies, we will see. I fully agree that it is wiser to diet on carbs while on gh. On tren without gh I can not tell any difference though and have done enormous amounts of tren.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: tommywishbone on January 17, 2013, 11:14:03 PM
This dre23 kid sounds OK. I'll be checking for updates and pictures. Don't let me down 23. . . or I'll send this guy to your house.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 11:18:38 PM
As for gh15, no one cares to take his user name away, the mods are not bothered by it, either way he is not liked around here cause 1000's of people bought bunk kigs after he promoted them. As for no high level competitor diets on No carbs, that is simply not true, I know lots that diet on no carbs and I have IFBB pros as friends that diet on no carbs, I am prepping a guy for nationals on NO Carbs. In fact Dennis James diets on No carbs. So with all due respect your statements is FALSE bro.



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dre23 on January 17, 2013, 11:31:02 PM
Galiniko is 6 foot I think, I am 5'9 I was in my best condition at 180 6 years ago but last competed at 207lb. Am going hard this year and stepping it up a notch, will be the first time on gh for me. Aiming for the top of the heavies, we will see. I fully agree that it is wiser to diet on carbs while on gh. On tren without gh I can not tell any difference though and have done enormous amounts of tren.

Well "bro"  ;) (you must be one of my mama's illegitimate canadian offspring), that is good to hear.

No personal disrepct to you at all cuz I don't know you, BUT I just felt it needed to be clarified what the guys on gh/tren do when they diet. You can't have these young guys swallowing dry chicken breasts and tuna and then wondering why they don't look anything but flat and small and think that their heros got their solely on hard work. The truth of this cult is that the hormone combo of tren/gh necessiates carbs. Not saying that you were, but let's not mislead people to think that keto is how the big boys get it done. This results in aspiring bodybuilders eventually becoming depressed and hating bodybuilding and wind up leaving b/c they think that they are genetically inferior when this is far from the case.

But even naturals diet with carbs. So especially on tren you MUST diet on carbs...100% guaranteed. So for you to say that you didn't notice a difference is quiet strange b/c at the least you would have reported being fuller and more vasucular. The tren will suck up all those carbs and put them in the right place for energy and growth. Without carbs you will lose muscle elasticity and eventually actual muscle size...this is something you do not want as a bodybuilder!

And also, with regard to gh15 followers that walk around lean all year long, just simply log onto your g h 1 5 account and you can see for yourselves all the 1000s of individuals that are doing this. All sub 9% with many much lower!

Am I there yet? No!!! But with time and consistency you will see this as well. I know there is this whole " g h 15 versus GB" battle going on, but put the "man" aside and whatever feelings you/others may have towards him, and the truth remains that I want to see ALL real bodybuilders and those who want to be bodybuilders to prosper in their goals, and to do this, we must not be afraid of telling the truth of what it takes to get there.  



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 17, 2013, 11:36:09 PM
OTH wrote
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As for carbs go, no one said they were the enemy all I said is it is faster to get leaner without them.
No it isn't, its exactly the same as if you eat carbs and stay below your BMR, you may lose weight faster on your diet but its because your calories are way too low as you cant eat enough food from protein sources alone.
PS Did you read up on protein sparing and its importance?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dre23 on January 17, 2013, 11:39:38 PM
As for gh15, no one cares to take his user name away, the mods are not bothered by it, either way he is not liked around here cause 1000's of people bought bunk kigs after he promoted them. As for no high level competitor diets on No carbs, that is simply not true, I know lots that diet on no carbs and I have IFBB pros as friends that diet on no carbs, I am prepping a guy for nationals on NO Carbs. In fact Dennis James diets on No carbs. So with all due respect your statements is FALSE bro.



Firstly, regarding the bunk kigs, that was IP...NOT gh15.

Secondly, according to his November 3, 2012 Facebook post before the Masters O, Dennis said that for his diet he was doing "3 days very low carbs, and 1 day medium/high".

Now this is subjective, because if he consumes 1000grams of carbs in the offseason, then a "low" day to him might still be 200g CHO, followed by a day of 500-700gCHO.

Either way, that is far from a "no carb" diet.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: a_ahmed on January 17, 2013, 11:40:44 PM
You know what guys...you are 100% correct that I was FAT!!!!

But if you knew my journey and where I've come from you might say things differently, but seeing the desire here to crush the human spirit, that is also doubtful. I try to be an honest person and act with some morals and conduct myself in a manner that others respect.

I will be very brief and say this. A year and a half ago I was near 500lb bodyweight due to a brain tumor that damaged my hypothalamus and had a death sentence. Yet through bodybuilding diet/training I have lost almost 200lbs.

No, I am not ripped...yet, but I do know what dietary principles have worked with me so far and that the proper carbs utilized will still allow one to burn fat in the correct environment.

You all can peronally attack me all you want and do your little 3rd grade name-calling, but my personal calling is higher than that as I hope to encourage and motivate others to achieve the body that they want, despite whatever obstacles may present themselves.

With that said, the truth is the truth and you can not compare a non-hormonized lifter and his diet to a hormonized one...it is night and day! Do not ignore the basic principle of the hormone Trenbolone that with time and consistency will get any serious lifter down to 6%. But this hormone NEEDS carbs. Hgh needs carbs. Insulin needs carbs.

Now you can personally attack me all you want. That doesn't remove from the arena the fact that diet only matters when one is in a natural state, not when they are full of varying hormones.

In the end, to those who are serious bodybuilders (a name that I did not call myself), I wish you all the best in your physique endeavors. Because at the end of the day we all want to look in the mirror and be pleased with the product that we have been building.

Bro wtf you were 500lbs? I don't believe anything you're saying.

Still though... I've shown OTH my obese pix and some of my more recent pix and he knows how hard i worked my ass off and you're no where near my physique, not that im super awesome or anything but MY transformation is leaps and bounds compared to your imaginary one. And I can actually see my veins, with all due respect you're too fat to be giving anyone cutting advice.

Oh and your advices SUCK end of discussion!

Anyone who is obese needs to learn to LIFT, eat less and cardio their flubbery ass down in weight. No other way to spin it.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 11:42:13 PM
Well "bro"  ;) (you must be one of my mama's illegitimate canadian offspring), that is good to hear.

No personal disrepct to you at all cuz I don't know you, BUT I just felt it needed to be clarified what the guys on gh/tren do when they diet. You can't have these young guys swallowing dry chicken breasts and tuna and then wondering why they don't look anything but flat and small and think that their heros got their solely on hard work. The truth of this cult is that the hormone combo of tren/gh necessiates carbs. Not saying that you were, but let's not mislead people to think that keto is how the big boys get it done. This results in aspiring bodybuilders eventually becoming depressed and hating bodybuilding and wind up leaving b/c they think that they are genetically inferior when this is far from the case.

But even naturals diet with carbs. So especially on tren you MUST diet on carbs...100% guaranteed. So for you to say that you didn't notice a difference is quiet strange b/c at the least you would have reported being fuller and more vasucular. The tren will suck up all those carbs and put them in the right place for energy and growth. Without carbs you will lose muscle elasticity and eventually actual muscle size...this is something you do not want as a bodybuilder!

And also, with regard to gh15 followers that walk around lean all year long, just simply log onto your g h 1 5 account and you can see for yourselves all the 1000s of individuals that are doing this. All sub 9% with many much lower!

Am I there yet? No!!! But with time and consistency you will see this as well. I know there is this whole " g h 15 versus GB" battle going on, but put the "man" aside and whatever feelings you/others may have towards him, and the truth remains that I want to see ALL real bodybuilders and those who want to be bodybuilders to prosper in their goals, and to do this, we must not be afraid of telling the truth of what it takes to get there.  


Of course you will look bigger, more ripped and vascular on tren with a lot of carbs, who doesn't know this but what you fail to realize is that it does not matter to me if I am full, hard and vascular during my prep cause what matter is the day of the show ONLY and on that day I will have 2000 grams of carbs in my muscles bro, so in between mean shit. I will maintain the same amount of muscle while you are carb loaded or not, being falt is only temporary and when the carbs go in VOLLA full again. Bro I have been there many times and it makes no difference during prepping, NON what so ever.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dre23 on January 17, 2013, 11:43:51 PM
Bro wtf you were 500lbs? I don't believe anything you're saying.

Still though... I've shown OTH my obese pix and some of my more recent pix and he knows how hard i worked my ass off and you're no where near my physique, not that im super awesome or anything but MY transformation is leaps and bounds compared to your imaginary one. And I can actually see my veins, with all due respect you're too fat to be giving anyone cutting advice.

Oh and your advices SUCK end of discussion!

That video was over a year ago and I was still like 400lbs there. But big congrats on your transformation. My hat is off to anyone who has improved their health and their life, yourself included.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dre23 on January 17, 2013, 11:44:59 PM
Of course you will look bigger, more ripped and vascular on tren with a lot of carbs, who doesn't know this but what you fail to realize is that it does not matter to me if I am full, hard and vascular during my prep cause what matter is the day of the show ONLY and on that day I will have 2000 grams of carbs in my muscles bro, so in between mean shit. I will maintain the same amount of muscle while you are carb loaded or not, being falt is only temporary and when the carbs go in VOLLA full again. Bro I have been there many times and it makes no difference during prepping, NON what so ever.

Well if it works for you, and you are happy with the result, that is all that matter at the end of the day.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: a_ahmed on January 17, 2013, 11:45:23 PM
Well okay, then maybe you should apply some of OTH's advices, work hard, diet harder and get even leaner instead of giving guys on here advices who are leaps and bounds leaner and OTH is not shy to show his pix they speak volumes for results.

If you're a GH15 troll... go on dat der gh15 forum and learn from him. I in fact joined getbig in the first place to 'hear about' this mythical gh15, when i read half the stuff he said i sensed bs then i realized bs.. then everyone called out bs.. His advices were basically run millions of grams of tren and eat all u want and ull magically get lean and huge and crap like that.. well sad to say i can get fat on tren too if i overeat sooo... bullshit upon bullshit. Then there's the whole scam of him selling crap


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 11:46:56 PM
OTH wroteNo it isn't, its exactly the same as if you eat carbs and stay below your BMR, you may lose weight faster on your diet but its because your calories are way too low as you cant eat enough food from protein sources alone.
PS Did you read up on protein sparing and its importance?
You are back for another beating.

WTF you are glutton for punishment. I thought you said you were done with this thread you retard  ;)  Now you are a retard and a liar. LOL  8)  but I knew you were going to come back that is NO SECRET and no I did not research your gibberish, you know very little and I don't care for anything you say until someone posts here saying they have used your advised and it worked. Until then kindly FUCK OFF GOOF.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: a_ahmed on January 17, 2013, 11:48:27 PM
lol oth u need that bro hug, dont mind the trolls :P You had good intentions... but the thread's been hardcore derailed  too much hateraid :-\ Anyways I'm off to sleep. Peace brotha. LoL and you still didn't respond to my ancient PMs :)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 11:51:13 PM
Firstly, regarding the bunk kigs, that was IP...NOT gh15.

Secondly, according to his November 3, 2012 Facebook post before the Masters O, Dennis said that for his diet he was doing "3 days very low carbs, and 1 day medium/high".

Now this is subjective, because if he consumes 1000grams of carbs in the offseason, then a "low" day to him might still be 200g CHO, followed by a day of 500-700gCHO.

Either way, that is far from a "no carb" diet.
We are talking about a 300lb bodybuilder here taking in only 200 grams daily bro, do you have any idea how fast a 300 pound bodybuilder with all that muscle burns those carbs, hell those carbs are gone in 1 hour of working out, again it is a mute point cause he is on gh and insulin but there is a video where he went no carbs for the last 3 weeks of Olympia prep, the one where Dennis Wolf came from Germany to stay with him.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2013, 11:58:02 PM
lol oth u need that bro hug, dont mind the trolls :P You had good intentions... but the thread's been hardcore derailed  too much hateraid :-\ Anyways I'm off to sleep. Peace brotha. LoL and you still didn't respond to my ancient PMs :)
Bro your posts have been making LMAO as of late bro, bringing the smackdown while remaining calm something I envy you for, lol.,. anyhow thanks bro and sooooooo sorry about not sending you in regards to the pms, but if it wasn't for UKJeff hanging off my nuts I would have done it by now  ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 18, 2013, 01:27:08 AM
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you know very little and I don't care for anything you say until someone posts here saying they have used your advised and it worked.

Lol, pretty much everyone who has ever lost weight through diet has used my method, its the only way to diet (reducing calories) you cant lose weight unless you burn more calories than you consume.
Its actually the reason your diet works.

Try and wind in the aggression and insults for a second and explain to the guys why you cant hit condition anymore?
You say your diet will keep stripping fat off until there is none left yet you still cant achieve it yourself, why is that?
I know its the second time I have asked this but you ignored it last time.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 18, 2013, 01:39:41 AM
OOps just seen another gem
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As mentioned earlier in the thread that on a NO CARB diet one must take ECA for 2 different reasons- reason #1 to stimulate your workout and reason #2- to stimulate fat burning and appetite suppressant.

Can you explain why you would need to take a product to stimulate fat burning and supress your appetite?
You have clearly stated on your diet that you can eat as much protein as you like, so why the need to supress the appetite?
Oh and I thought the all protein diet just stripped the fat off anyway.

Are you really saying that the all protein diet will only work if you are a heavy drug and stimulant user?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 18, 2013, 02:08:14 AM
OOps just seen another gem
Can you explain why you would need to take a product to stimulate fat burning and supress your appetite?
You have clearly stated on your diet that you can eat as much protein as you like, so why the need to supress the appetite?
Oh and I thought the all protein diet just stripped the fat off anyway.

Are you really saying that the all protein diet will only work if you are a heavy drug and stimulant user?
Yes I am, what the fuck is your point?

Suppressing the appetite makes the diet a little bit easier Einstein, and using any type of fat burner makes youy burn fat at a faster rate you fucken dumbass.  :o :o :o at how stupid you are.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 18, 2013, 02:14:28 AM
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Suppressing the appetite makes the diet a little bit easier Einstein,
WHY WOULD IT BE EASIER, YOU CAN EAT AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE???
Didnt you say that?
If you can eat as much as you like why would you need to surpress your appettite?
Or is it the fact that the appetite supressant results in you taking in less calories and as such losing more weight and it has nothing to do with the "all protein" route at all?

I put it to you if you are a heavy drug and stim user you will lose weight fast on any diet.

Why dont you try the crystal meth/gear approach?

also didnt you write
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Cry me a fucken river, nothing in life is easy, you want results, man the fuck up and pay for them. You ain't getting contest lean without discomfort that's for damn sure.
Now you want to make the diet easier? lol


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: bigmc on January 18, 2013, 02:20:45 AM
i wonder if gh 15 knows dre23 is scamming people on youtube pushing worthless supplements

its against everythig he stands for


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 18, 2013, 02:23:14 AM
Lol, pretty much everyone who has ever lost weight through diet has used my method, its the only way to diet (reducing calories) you cant lose weight unless you burn more calories than you consume.
Its actually the reason your diet works.

Try and wind in the aggression and insults for a second and explain to the guys why you cant hit condition anymore?
You say your diet will keep stripping fat off until there is none left yet you still cant achieve it yourself, why is that?
I know its the second time I have asked this but you ignored it last time.
I can hit condition any time I want, anytime. Can have striated glute in 4 weeks anytime. I can be more ripped in one month then you have ever been bro in your entire life. Me a couple months ago after taking 6 months off the gym and only training for for 3 months here.



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 18, 2013, 02:29:11 AM
WHY WOULD IT BE EASIER, YOU CAN EAT AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE???
Didnt you say that?
If you can eat as much as you like why would you need to surpress your appettite?
Or is it the fact that the appetite supressant results in you taking in less calories and as such losing more weight and it has nothing to do with the "all protein" route at all?

I put it to you if you are a heavy drug and stim user you will lose weight fast on any diet.

Why dont you try the crystal meth/gear approach?

also didnt you writeNow you want to make the diet easier? lol
I will not complain when pain comes my way and I can not control it but I will not start cutting my own flesh because I handle pain that is just plain stupid. So while I do say cry me a fucken river does not me to run with a rock on your shoulder now does it. I am glad you have resorted to nit picking Jeff ( I also know your last name but do not worry about that, you have my word I will not tell anyone) it is the only way to convince yourself that you are winning an argument, by all means continue  ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: NordicNerd on January 18, 2013, 03:01:22 AM
...
BTW, carb cycling would be more ideal than no carbs. You'll already have low energy from dieting why make it worse the whole diet. Carbs keep you full and strong. It all depends where you're starting of course, if you're a fatass, yes, you'll have to suffer. If not, you can diet with carbs. It's been happening for over 30 years and still today.

Carbs before training is an old-school strategy that works. You need carbs to perform well in the gym. If you train with weights 4 times a week, that would create a natural carb-cycling scheme. Low carbs on non-training days, high carbs before training.

NN


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 18, 2013, 04:30:22 AM
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I am glad you have resorted to nit picking Jeff ( I also know your last name but do not worry about that, you have my word I will not tell anyone) it is the only way to convince yourself that you are winning an argument, by all means continue 

I am simply pointing out the flaws in your diet, Im not arguing at all.
If you cant take anyone criticising your posts then you shouldnt really post.
I have said I agree your diet will allow someone to lose weight, its just not as simple or as perfect as you first claimed it to be.
As for my second name I can guarantee if you know what it is you will blurt it out on this forum before long,its in your nature to attack people who question your knowledge or highlight your lack of it.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 18, 2013, 04:40:49 AM

I am simply pointing out the flaws in your diet, Im not arguing at all.
If you cant take anyone criticising your posts then you shouldnt really post.
I have said I agree your diet will allow someone to lose weight, its just not as simple or as perfect as you first claimed it to be.
As for my second name I can guarantee if you know what it is you will blurt it out on this forum before long,its in your nature to attack people who question your knowledge or highlight your lack of it.
No it is my nature to attack people who are dickheads but hey, I was bluffing anyway just to fool about, I really do not know your name. I wouldn`t go there if I did, lol.

People are happy, people are losing fat, they are accomplishing a lot here and are being productive on this diet, if you only knew how many people are dieting as we speak due to this thread. So why hate on them bro, not many people want to do it any other way once they try this because it is faster and people , at least most people are looking for something fast.

 I do not understand why you would not want people to be in shape, let it go, give it up for the simple reason that you have accomplished nothing but gibberish. You said it yourself, it works so why be sarcastic and why play along with TA`s 10 000 calorie thread WHEN YOU KNOW FULL WELL THAT ÙNLIMITED PROTEIN`` is figuratively speaking. Why does it bug you soooooooooo much. I really do not understand.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: bigmc on January 18, 2013, 04:45:32 AM
No it is my nature to attack people who are dickheads but hey, I was bluffing anyway just to fool about, I really do not know your name. I wouldn`t go there if I did, lol.

People are happy, people are losing fat, they are accomplishing a lot here and are being productive on this diet, if you only knew how many people are dieting as we speak due to this thread. So why hate on them bro, not many people want to do it any other way once they try this because it is faster and people , at least most people are looking for something fast.

 I do not understand why you would not want people to be in shape, let it go, give it up for the simple reason that you have accomplished nothing but gibberish. You said it yourself, it works so why be sarcastic and why play along with TA`s 10 000 calorie thread WHEN YOU KNOW FULL WELL THAT ÙNLIMITED PROTEIN`` is figuratively speaking. Why does it bug you soooooooooo much. I really do not understand.

you know you are being trolled in this thread right?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 18, 2013, 04:46:36 AM
you know you are being trolled in this thread right?
Yes of course bro  ;)   I love it    ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 18, 2013, 04:49:42 AM
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I was bluffing anyway just to fool about, I really do not know your name. I wouldn`t go there if I did, lol.
Didnt you call me a liar earlier?

I couldnt care less how many people use this diet and TBH neither should you, you should post your info and let people comment on it freely, if the infos solid it will stand up to scrutiny if not then it wasnt much use in the first place.

PS You still havent explained why you need an appetite suppressant when you can eat as much as you like.  ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ilalin on January 18, 2013, 08:05:21 AM
Incorporating clen on a no carb diet

TWO ways to do this, one requires you change your diet every two weeks and the other allows you to keep the same diet, however, your ECA protocol has to be changed.

Protocol one; Ok you are running on zero carbs so ECA is a must, and NO CARB diet has to include a stimulant such as ECA no matter what so since ECA and Clen together is rather hard on your heart, so I propose you take clen for 2 weeks and then ECA for 2 weeks, Clen for 2 weeks and then ECA for 2 weeks etc.

The 2 weeks you are on clen you will not have ECA to fuel your workout so you must take in carb pre-workout, but we are talking 100-150 grams of carbs daily. So your diet will be a no carb diet for 2 weeks (ECA) then a low carb diet for 2 weeks (Clen) etc. Plain and simple.


Protocol two; This one is a little harder so DO NOT do it if you are feeling to much anxiety, BE CAREFUL.

As mentioned earlier in the thread that on a NO CARB diet one must take ECA for 2 different reasons- reason #1 to stimulate your workout and reason #2- to stimulate fat burning and appetite suppressant.

 Once you start taking Clen drop reason #2, I repeat drop taking ECA multiple times per day as a fat burner and an appetite suppressant. Now the reason is your fat burning will come from Clen and it is already doing a good job so ECA for fat burning is NOT necessary, also there are NO synergistic affect anyway. Now you still need to take ECA as a stimulant pre-workout, this is a must to fuel your workout. At this point nothing changes in your diet, still a no carb diet with Clen as your main source of fat-lose tool and ECA as your main source of stimulant to duel your workout.

CONCLUSION; Do not ask me which one is better, it is not anyones call but yours, this could be hard on your system so make sure you dot all i's and cross all your t's before you make a mistake that can hurt you.

Now as far as dosage, again Clen reactions vary from person to person so I do not know what would be to much or to little for anyone, but I will say this though; start at 20mcg and work your way up, add a little every 2 days until you reach what you like. If you do protocol 2 since you are on ECA as well I would not recommend you ever cross 100 mcg daily and that is a lot. Most people stick to 40-60.




amazing

thanks brother


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Cleanest Natural on January 18, 2013, 08:21:50 AM
Actually his protocol 2 is pretty close to what I did in the past.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Conker on January 18, 2013, 08:35:24 AM
Didnt you call me a liar earlier?

I couldnt care less how many people use this diet and TBH neither should you, you should post your info and let people comment on it freely, if the infos solid it will stand up to scrutiny if not then it wasnt much use in the first place.

PS You still havent explained why you need an appetite suppressant when you can eat as much as you like.  ;)


That's hardly rocket science, when you are eating almost exclusively clean protein foods, your body will craves sugar/carbs/fatty foods, so taking something that takes the edge off your appetite can be an aid.

On any diet(regardless of macro breakdown) your body will crave certain foods and having less appetite is a plus. I don't think anyone said low/no carb diets were a miracle that required no suffering at all...


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: gh420 on January 18, 2013, 08:56:10 AM
You know what guys...you are 100% correct that I was FAT!!!!

But if you knew my journey and where I've come from you might say things differently, but seeing the desire here to crush the human spirit, that is also doubtful. I try to be an honest person and act with some morals and conduct myself in a manner that others respect.

I will be very brief and say this. A year and a half ago I was near 500lb bodyweight due to a brain tumor that damaged my hypothalamus and had a death sentence. Yet through bodybuilding diet/training I have lost almost 200lbs.

No, I am not ripped...yet, but I do know what dietary principles have worked with me so far and that the proper carbs utilized will still allow one to burn fat in the correct environment.

You all can peronally attack me all you want and do your little 3rd grade name-calling, but my personal calling is higher than that as I hope to encourage and motivate others to achieve the body that they want, despite whatever obstacles may present themselves.

With that said, the truth is the truth and you can not compare a non-hormonized lifter and his diet to a hormonized one...it is night and day! Do not ignore the basic principle of the hormone Trenbolone that with time and consistency will get any serious lifter down to 6%. But this hormone NEEDS carbs. Hgh needs carbs. Insulin needs carbs.

Now you can personally attack me all you want. That doesn't remove from the arena the fact that diet only matters when one is in a natural state, not when they are full of varying hormones.

In the end, to those who are serious bodybuilders (a name that I did not call myself), I wish you all the best in your physique endeavors. Because at the end of the day we all want to look in the mirror and be pleased with the product that we have been building.

Just feel pity for you and other folks who support gh15 who is a scammer. Have you even seen or talked to gh15. What makes you think that he is a god or superman.
You guys come here and get bashed, you folks post your pics on that scammer's site which could go down at any moment. Some top guys have already left the board. You guys are making fool of yourself. Gh15 would be laughing his ass off and grab all the money from you folks.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dre23 on January 18, 2013, 09:30:21 AM
GH15 is the number 1 site on the internet for advanced bodybuilding. All you have to do is log onto your account at g h 1 5 and see for youself instead of spreading lies.

GH15 has many years at the top and has never been "brought down"...can't be brought down. There is a reason for this. And his advice is followed by millions, while your advice is followed by how many?

GH15 has said that you also need carbs on tren ace and not only on gh and/or slin. Please read your bible since you quote him and use his vocabulary.

And lastly, there is such a thing as window of opportunity...you should know it by now...it is the period when the hgh is still at work even though it is out of the blood.

Unfortunately Mr. Galeniko you can't change history despite how hard you may try. You came to getbig very late and you came because of gh15. OTH is a pupil of gh15 for many years so atleast he has some credibility in discussing hormones, but still the hate is consuming you because he left you and the rest of getbig as orphans...that is what this is truly all about.

Top NPC and IFBB competitors are fighting to become members on that site...you really should log in to truly see it for yourself.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dre23 on January 18, 2013, 09:40:22 AM
naturals get away with dieting on carbs moreso than gear users, they also need bit extra fats.bc theyre natural.

the argument that you need carbs on tren when dieting is def not true.

i think youre way way overrating tren.

what has tren that big test propionate doses or masteron cant do?its all pretty much the same.

gh15 tells ppl tren is a fatburner, this is ridiculous, tren is a steroid.

LOL, this is not even worth responding to, BUT for those who you may mislead I will say this...

250mg tren ace per day. Come back to me after 2 months on any diet while keeping proper macros.

this along with his dietary advice should ring all alarm bell

he hasnt brought out one guy who went from twink to ,say, zyzz level on his protocols.

the truth is, this whole thing takes time, you can inject 100ius gh daily, 1 gramm of steroids daily and it will not produce even a zyzz withing a year,as claimed.

same for bodyfat burning, this is thermodynamic procedure, cant get ripped quicker than others on diet, esp not on his diet, pineapple juice for dieting,lol.

dieting, the strict guys get best results, not the ones using most drugs.

You lie.

Also, GH15 has never gotten a single penny from me. All information that I and all others have received has been 100% free.



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Overload on January 18, 2013, 10:04:46 AM
GH15 is the number 1 site on the internet for advanced bodybuilding. All you have to do is log onto your account at g h 1 5 and see for youself instead of spreading lies.

GH15 has many years at the top and has never been "brought down"...can't be brought down. There is a reason for this. And his advice is followed by millions, while your advice is followed by how many?

GH15 has said that you also need carbs on tren ace and not only on gh and/or slin. Please read your bible since you quote him and use his vocabulary.

And lastly, there is such a thing as window of opportunity...you should know it by now...it is the period when the hgh is still at work even though it is out of the blood.

Unfortunately Mr. Galeniko you can't change history despite how hard you may try. You came to getbig very late and you came because of gh15. OTH is a pupil of gh15 for many years so atleast he has some credibility in discussing hormones, but still the hate is consuming you because he left you and the rest of getbig as orphans...that is what this is truly all about.

Top NPC and IFBB competitors are fighting to become members on that site...you really should log in to truly see it for yourself.

Sadly, none of this is true, it's all lies.

Not a single Pro or top level NPC guy follows gh15 except for a few drug dealers that profit from his board.

Wake up dude, gh15 is a gimmick who is laughing all the way to the bank from all you idiots spreading a bunch of nonsense.

The previous owners of the gh15 gimmick posted some pretty accurate drug and dieting advice, but over the past year the account traded hands and is now just a drug promotion tool.


8)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: a_ahmed on January 18, 2013, 10:10:15 AM
haha the fat dude is giving gh15 type advice this is funny. I thought all gh15 scam money grabbing poops were to be banned from the site to avoid fooling innoscent minds with their tricks?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: gh420 on January 18, 2013, 10:10:56 AM
Sadly, none of this is true, it's all lies.

Not a single Pro or top level NPC guy follows gh15 except for a few drug dealers that profit from his board.

Wake up dude, gh15 is a gimmick who is laughing all the way to the bank from all you idiots spreading a bunch of nonsense.

The previous owners of the gh15 gimmick posted some pretty accurate drug and dieting advice, but over the past year the account traded hands and is now just a drug promotion tool.


8)

True, watch out for him, all of the sudden he is gonna claim that he found legit kigs and his skin looks paper thin,spider web veins, etc and make all of  you to buy sugar water and then retract saying that these were bunk and put the blame on the new supplier. You folks just dont understand.ripped.com is a no 1 "scamming" site.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 18, 2013, 10:18:20 AM
Actually his protocol 2 is pretty close to what I did in the past.
Thanks Sev for keeing it real, you know I am just fucken with you with the genetic thing right? lol, nice wheels on the other thread btw, good separation.



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 18, 2013, 10:19:31 AM
amazing

thanks brother
Good luck bro and remember be careful, as long as your paying attention everything should be good  8)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 18, 2013, 10:19:42 AM

I am simply pointing out the flaws in your diet, Im not arguing at all.
If you cant take anyone criticising your posts then you shouldnt really post.
I have said I agree your diet will allow someone to lose weight, its just not as simple or as perfect as you first claimed it to be.
As for my second name I can guarantee if you know what it is you will blurt it out on this forum before long,its in your nature to attack people who question your knowledge or highlight your lack of it.

The fact that there are other dieting methods doesn't mean this one has "flaws"...hope this helps


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 18, 2013, 10:21:37 AM
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The fact that there are other dieting methods doesn't mean this one has "flaws"...hope this helps
The fact that it is dependant on PEDs and stimulants to work may be described as a "flaw" to some.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 18, 2013, 10:23:48 AM

That's hardly rocket science, when you are eating almost exclusively clean protein foods, your body will craves sugar/carbs/fatty foods, so taking something that takes the edge off your appetite can be an aid.

On any diet(regardless of macro breakdown) your body will crave certain foods and having less appetite is a plus. I don't think anyone said low/no carb diets were a miracle that required no suffering at all...

bigmc said it best bro, this guy is just trolling, NO ONE on the planet can be that stupid as to ask such as stupid question. I eat all the protein I want and I am hungry at times cause protein does not quench the hunger or like you said the cravings. They drive you up the wall so anything that helps, why not.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 18, 2013, 10:32:56 AM
Just feel pity for you and other folks who support gh15 who is a scammer. Have you even seen or talked to gh15. What makes you think that he is a god or superman.
You guys come here and get bashed, you folks post your pics on that scammer's site which could go down at any moment. Some top guys have already left the board. You guys are making fool of yourself. Gh15 would be laughing his ass off and grab all the money from you folks.
THIS


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 18, 2013, 10:33:58 AM
The fact that it is dependant on PEDs and stimulants to work may be described as a "flaw" to some.
Are you claiming that you were natural in your pics?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: njflex on January 18, 2013, 10:38:41 AM
its also old school bs.

the carbs you eat before the gym arent even metabolised by the time youre out of the gym
A BANANA MAYBE,,,,ORANGE..


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Rajkapoor on January 18, 2013, 11:24:20 AM
SIMPLE- HOW TO GET CONTEST SHREDDED FOR ANYONE.

All these trainers and coaches make me sick acting like if it's some rocket science shit they are giving away, I have no problem with PT or coaches, they are good for motivation and guidance but where my problem lies is when they mislead their clients into thinking this shit is rocket science.

If you are on HRT or juice then listen up.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + low carbs (green veg allowed) and 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get anyone into single digits.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + No carbs (green veg and others allowed)+ 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get you to contest bodyfat levels.


Forget the calorie counting Bull Shit, forget the complicated dietary metabolism Bull Shit, forget the rocket science, all garbage, don't spend money on some expert trying to act like it is Calculus or physics. What I wrote above will get ANYONE from point A to point B (contest shape) period.

I will elaborate on a list of foods you can eat in part 2

EDIT; instructions on the use of ECA on no carb diet on page 3

EDIT: instruction on the proper use of carb days incorporated into a no                  carb diet on page 8

EDIT; THE LIST OF FOODS FROM PROTEIN ONLY SOURCES AND                            VEGETABLES ON PAGE 9

EDIT: 2 protocols for Clen use on a no carb diet on page 24

contest dieting is lot more complicated than that specially for someone who never get in contest shape before.get paid help not free advise from some internet junki it will save lots of time.once you learn the basics of contest dieting you are free to do experiment for you next shows and learn from mistakes.although it will get more complicated as your contest level arise but if you smart enough u will learn how to dial-in in final week.body reacts differently each time you approach the show you cant use same amount of cardio or duretics in every show.these crucial decision you have to make on you own looking in the mirror.screw up a bit and see how fast your hard work go down to toilet.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: a_ahmed on January 18, 2013, 11:36:25 AM
 ;D

Quote
-The fact is that his advice works for millions with many people thanking him daily.

Hahahahaha


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 18, 2013, 01:15:15 PM
contest dieting is lot more complicated than that specially for someone who never get in contest shape before.get paid help not free advise from some internet junki it will save lots of time.once you learn the basics of contest dieting you are free to do experiment for you next shows and learn from mistakes.although it will get more complicated as your contest level arise but if you smart enough u will learn how to dial-in in final week.body reacts differently each time you approach the show you cant use same amount of cardio or duretics in every show.these crucial decision you have to make on you own looking in the mirror.screw up a bit and see how fast your hard work go down to toilet.
This here is what I was warning you people about. Some fucken loser scam artist looking to make a dollar like the fucken loser in the above post. This guy is trying to act like contest prep is rocket science when it is not, sure at the pro level it is more complicated but this thread, is for your average gym rat not a pro bodybuilder.

Lmao at the post above, OK you need a PhD to diet now, fuckmen pleeeeeeeeease


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: a_ahmed on January 18, 2013, 01:18:54 PM
its pretty obvious that they're all trolls of the same gh15 clownship. They thought they'd exploit your thread with advices with their garbage and lure people into their bs scams. You're not asking money or anything just sharing your experiences. These morons want to lure and scam people into buying garbage.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 18, 2013, 02:08:03 PM
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its pretty obvious that they're all trolls of the same gh15 clownship.

Yep, when you get guys saying its all down to massive amounts of PEDs and stimulants and a protein only diet you can tell where they're coming from.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: King Shizzo on January 18, 2013, 03:55:11 PM
I'm gonna give props to Onetimehard, for getting over 600+ replies in a week.  He is learning well from his master (Shizzo)  8)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on January 18, 2013, 11:00:30 PM
sexy nipples bro.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 18, 2013, 11:14:18 PM
here, this is taken today.

no trenbologna.

(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/DSC00335_zpsa162b72f.jpg)


(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/DSC00336_zps743c7e84.jpg)

no gh.

and pretty much like this all year round

all cocaine and artichokes


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 19, 2013, 12:00:14 AM
here, this is taken today.

no trenbologna.

(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/DSC00335_zpsa162b72f.jpg)


(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/DSC00336_zps743c7e84.jpg)

no gh.

and pretty much like this all year round
Now those are abs (no homo)  8)


I'm gonna give props to Onetimehard, for getting over 600+ replies in a week.  He is learning well from his master (Shizzo) 8)
I learn from the best  ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Nomad on January 19, 2013, 12:18:07 AM
here, this is taken today.

no trenbologna.

(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/DSC00335_zpsa162b72f.jpg)


(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/DSC00336_zps743c7e84.jpg)

no gh.

and pretty much like this all year round

what were you running and what doses?


Nice nipples btw  ;D   How hard does your boyfriend pinch them when he mounts you from behind?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Rajkapoor on January 19, 2013, 12:24:19 AM
This here is what I was warning you people about. Some fucken loser scam artist looking to make a dollar like the fucken loser in the above post. This guy is trying to act like contest prep is rocket science when it is not, sure at the pro level it is more complicated but this thread, is for your average gym rat not a pro bodybuilder.

Lmao at the post above, OK you need a PhD to diet now, fuckmen pleeeeeeeeease
there is no difference between pro bodybuilder and average gym rat when it comes to getting in shape.basic goal is to get lean while keeping muscle mass.to be honest i would not give advise without getting paid for it.i would leave charity work for crippled and breast cancer patients.free advise never works.people dont take it seriously.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 19, 2013, 01:32:56 AM
there is no difference between pro bodybuilder and average gym rat when it comes to getting in shape.basic goal is to get lean while keeping muscle mass.to be honest i would not give advise without getting paid for it.i would leave charity work for crippled and breast cancer patients.free advise never works.people dont take it seriously.
Sorry but you're selfish and getbig is my home bro, so I will gladly help anyone and many, many have started dieting under my advice and have obtain amazing results so your retarded theory on free advice not working is HORSESHIT. Also a lot of people here are taking this very seriously

Now you are a complete fool for saying pro bodybuilders diet the same as your average gymrat. This thread is for people who juice, sorry but pros take gh and insulin so the approach is way different.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: tommywishbone on January 19, 2013, 01:38:05 AM
there is no difference between pro bodybuilder and average gym rat when it comes to getting in shape.basic goal is to get lean while keeping muscle mass.to be honest i would not give advise without getting paid for it.i would leave charity work for crippled and breast cancer patients.free advise never works.people dont take it seriously.

Ah yes. Snatch the pebble from my hand young Grasshopper.

If he was lying to you, he would try and sell you something, but he's not, just telling you the truth.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: bigmc on January 19, 2013, 09:13:10 AM
dre23, have you ever seen gh15 in person?

serious question.

only in the mirror  ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Cleanest Natural on January 19, 2013, 09:37:57 AM
Thanks Sev for keeing it real, you know I am just fucken with you with the genetic thing right? lol, nice wheels on the other thread btw, good separation.


Relax ... I can take a joke. At the same time I have been bodybuilding for 20 years so I have done it all: natural, clean, roided, fitness, bb, etc.

That is a good baseline to get in shape. Then, each person needs to learn how their bodies respond to various things and adjust accordingly.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: bigmc on January 19, 2013, 09:43:44 AM
Relax ... I can take a joke. At the same time I have been bodybuilding for 20 years so I have done it all: natural, clean, roided, fitness, bb, etc.

That is a good baseline to get in shape. Then, each person needs to learn how their bodies respond to various things and adjust accordingly.

yeah i saw that pic of your legs

i like the way you imitated your pic from ten years ago to make a comparison

props on getting back into that shape

you even look younger  8)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 19, 2013, 09:45:57 AM
dre23, have you ever seen gh15 in person?

serious question.
No one has cause he is not an ifbb pro, in fact he does not even know any ifbb pros in real life, that's how much of a no name he is.

I was out in Toronto at the bar (a quite sports bar, not a club) with my friend (an ifbb pro) and we were drinking all night, lol, he was pretty drunk and I pulled out my tablet, lol,..of course to get my daily dose of getbig  ;D,, anyway.... we were roaming around and we spotted the gh15 thread about him being a pro. So my friend asks ''what's the deal with this guy'' , ''he sounds like a loser'' and I am like just some guy who claims to be a pro but has never backed it up in anyway.

Then my friend laughs, pulls out his wallet and his ifbb pro card and says ''so if he is a pro, why does he not show everyone his pro card'' and I said to him cause he wants to remain anonymous. So he covered his name and started laughing and says ''wow, is that so hard" not to mention one side of the card has no details of his identity anyway. Lol, a cheesy looking card BTW, lol.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 19, 2013, 10:08:31 AM
Fuck he went around in circles repeating himself 10 times, lmao.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: njflex on January 19, 2013, 10:44:18 AM
nice gali...pics,,,


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Rajkapoor on January 19, 2013, 11:28:27 AM
Sorry but you're selfish and getbig is my home bro, so I will gladly help anyone and many, many have started dieting under my advice and have obtain amazing results so your retarded theory on free advice not working is HORSESHIT. Also a lot of people here are taking this very seriously

Now you are a complete fool for saying pro bodybuilders diet the same as your average gymrat. This thread is for people who juice, sorry but pros take gh and insulin so the approach is way different.
thats not selfish thats honest.if i get paid i will take full responsibility if desired results are not achieved.i dont think GH and insulin can change the basic approach of dieting.i dont think any one will get any where taking your advise.you lack the basics.post the pic of any guy you helping and i will tell you if ur mouth match your ass.i normally dont pay attentions on people like you every gym is full of them free adivise nerds.sorry for jumping into ur thread.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: bigmc on January 19, 2013, 11:40:39 AM
dre23=gh 15=fail


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: tommywishbone on January 19, 2013, 11:43:58 AM
"The pyramids were built by aliens."  -gh15
"I use the same needle for 100+ injections."   -gh15
"500 mg per day of Anadrol is common for many bodybuilders."   -gh15
"I have seen the actual defense plans for nuclear attack."    -gh15
"Mike O'Hearn can not squat 315 for reps."  -gh15


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: TrueBB93 on January 19, 2013, 12:10:15 PM
Galineko has a great physique.

this proves gh15 has gimmicks creeping around on getbig. the same board he calls "daed BaordIng!"


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: TrueBB93 on January 19, 2013, 12:13:18 PM
a. Long pants CHECK

b. Big head...CHECK (This is why GH15 wants the legit kigtropin for people like you among others...b/c it makes the head TINY)

c. You are not a pound over 215 after getting a pump AND with clothes on in this picture...take off 3-4 pounds from your head and VOILA!...you are 211lb

long pants?  you want him to be naked instead lol?!

Kigtropin shrinks the head? MAYBE THATS WHY GH15 AND CLOWNS ARE SO DUMB LOL.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: TrueBB93 on January 19, 2013, 12:29:15 PM
long pants?yeah, theyre these fashionable 3 quarter pants, you know.

perhaps youd want to see me in the 80s spandex stuff, or even worse, naked  :-\

big head?kinda, but its cam angle rather.oh, so gh shrinks the head now, yes, now ive heard it all.

the scale,naked on that day was 220.take off 4pounds from head ::)

do you take out 10lbs from your mouth when weighin in?bc thats about the amount of horseshit you carry in it.

do you also get rid of the gallon of semen in your rectum by ways of enema?


btw, i dont care about the weight, if i weighed in 120lbs but looked like that, itd be all good.

weight means fuck all, flex wheeler was 220 at times too, but still 3 times bigger than i ever could be.

hahaha!

also isnt funny how he claims growth hormone shrinks the head?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: bigmc on January 19, 2013, 01:08:28 PM
And to clarify since some of you like to play dumb...no, legit kigtropin did not actually shrink your head as in actual shrinkage, but it made it appear smaller on a 'new' torso that had grown and exploded from within.

You guys, instead of fighting against g h 15 for the truth, you decided to align yourselves with the lies presented via Professional Muscle and IP. Maybe you did this because you were coming to Getbig simply for fun and not for bodybuilding, but g h 15, who was your Allied Leader and your asset, and one who did and DOES care about bodybuilding because this is his profession...he tried to help you...each and every one of you. And he still does today...daily, but yet you choose to dismiss him.

One day Mr. Galeniko, you who are indeed on the g h 15 board too, one day you will get this legit kigtropin in your blood, and on that day you will have to face the truth.

You can not talk about a product that you have never tried.
What you did try was fake, bunk sugar water from IP...not legit kigtropin.

The demise and collapse of Getbig from 4000 visitors each day to 1000 visitors happened because people had enough of the lies and corruption. It was not only g h 15 who used legit kigtropin, but MANY others did as well as reported the same results.

The truth about legit kigtropin will come out...in fact it already did behind closed doors, but it will come out for everyone to see, and when you finally do get it Mr. Galeniko, don't forget to go to your Rabbi in Slovakia and lift up a prayer of thanksgiving and offering for g h 15 and his loved ones.

yes my friend kigtropina eat piza ice cream wake up ripped girls throw themselves at you, you dont need train can eat shit and look like god

fuck off back to your dead board this is get big bitch

we dont sunscribe over here fat boy


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: bigmc on January 19, 2013, 01:19:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uivDLBEM6Ms


LMAO  :D ;D :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

this is the fat supplement scamming midget that is giving galeinko shit

hahaha what a fucking clown

this is the god of hormones every board on the net will now know that the whole thing was a joke perpetuated by a fat loser who cant see his feet when he stands up


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Raymondo on January 19, 2013, 01:27:46 PM


Please educate yourself on this information.



LOL

Are you the guy from gh15's board who came here a few months back and was bragging that he owned a car and a suit?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: bigmc on January 19, 2013, 01:29:36 PM
are you on kigs?

because i certainly dont wanna end up looking like you.

if you arent on kigs, you have no right to talk, then its all hearsay.

if you are on kigs , then you look like absolute diarrhea, brutal lose-lose situation right there.



haha brutal

kigs fucking suck


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dre23 on January 19, 2013, 01:36:40 PM
I am sorry to disappoint you all but I am not the god of hormones.

g h 15 is invincible.

Trust me, if I was g h 15, half of this board here right now (and that means all 50+gimmicks as well) would go nuts. They have already looked into me, and I am certainly not him.

GH15 is wanted for speaking the truth and for betraying the hierarchy. He doesn't have time for GB. He knows he has finished you...that is why he called you "the dying board"...and 4K to 1K is indeed pretty sad.

And it all happened by your own actions and lies.

Oh, and by the way, the g h 15 board now has over 4000 members, and if I'm not mistaken g h 15 has banned atleast 2000 himself.

His board is very successful, but sadly I am not him.

Next try...

I bet it is truly frustrating to not know the Master behind the scenes for going on 9 years now. But I can guarantee you one thing...

He is an IFBB Pro.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: bigmc on January 19, 2013, 01:38:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uivDLBEM6Ms


LMAO  :D ;D :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

dre23  ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dre23 on January 19, 2013, 01:41:58 PM
So basically Mr. Galeniko you are the definition of mediocre...

You await a trial...in a country that is not your own...you are a cocaine and narcotic addict...a drug dealer, and you know this well...you are 30 going on 48...because to me you look 48 if not older...you have been on all the drugs in the book (and you know this)...yet you have never managed to look like anything more than a gym rat. And you have never really shown any bodybuilding potential.

We got a winner here.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: bigmc on January 19, 2013, 01:43:18 PM
So basically Mr. Galeniko you are the definition of mediocre...

You await a trial...in a country that is not your own...you are a cocaine and narcotic addict...a drug dealer, and you know this well...you are 30 going on 48...because to me you look 48 if not older...you have been on all the drugs in the book (and you know this)...yet you have never managed to look like anything more than a gym rat. And you have never really shown any bodybuilding potential.

We got a winner here.

you been on the halo extreme bro  ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dre23 on January 19, 2013, 01:52:18 PM
Actually not...I'm winning the argument here. Notice how quiet everyone is. Only 2 big mouths are left: 1 who got screwed by IP for lots of money, and the other is just a big mouth in general who lacks credentials.

Most of Getbig knows the truth...they are the silent majority. Even OTH, who started this thread which I stole...even he knows the truth which is why he is more quiet.

If you hate g h15 that does not mean you need to hate his followers, and they are many:

-Wes
-Pellius
-Bigher
-BLP
-Jay Culter
-Even the current Mr. O, Mr. Phil Heath

They wouldn't talk about him all day long if what he said wasn't written in stone. Have you ever noticed that not a single pro has ever come here to dispute what g h 15 has said...not even the pros that hate him?? And indeed they won't because they know he is speaking the truth, and they have some pride and tact.

You hate him because he abandoned you, but it was you that were the cause of this...your ways...your lies. And even when he left you he still gave you the option to follow him, and some 3000 of you surely did.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dre23 on January 19, 2013, 01:53:38 PM
dre23 getting very selective in answering questions.

the air is getting tight.

he overlooks the spicy ones.

can we have him banned now,i think this was enough.

Why would I waste my time in responding to your "ownages" of me. You are right in your own eyes, so there is nothing that I could say to ever change that.

And why would someone who has been "owned" be needed to be banned? You have already "put me in my place", so what would be the necessity in banning me?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: bigmc on January 19, 2013, 01:57:39 PM
poor dre23 he wants to stay away from get big but he cant

how he hates himself for starting stickies about the posters on here

how he loses sleep over the "dyeing board" that made him a laughing stock

how he clings onto the lies about kigs

how he wishes he wasnt a fat midget

poor deluded dre23


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dre23 on January 19, 2013, 02:04:53 PM
LOL, once again you guys are delusional if you truly think that I'm g h 15.

For all his hormone wisdom, g h 15 can barely string a single sentence together with proper grammar, spelling, and capitalization.

Also, he has a temper and can be set off at any time.

As I have repeatedly said, I am simply a student, and clearly can discuss things with you two in a calm, peaceful manner using proper English grammar.

G H15 would have long ago called you filt, balonie, or some other misspelled insult.  ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: bigmc on January 19, 2013, 02:06:26 PM
LOL, once again you guys are delusional if you truly think that I'm g h 15.

For all his hormone wisdom, g h 15 can barely string a single sentence together with proper grammar, spelling, and capitalization.

Also, he has a temper and can be set off at any time.

As I have repeatedly said, I am simply a student, and clearly can discuss things with you two in a calm, peaceful manner using proper English grammar.

G H15 would have long ago called you filt, balonie, or some other misspelled insult.  ;)

 ::)

retard


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dre23 on January 19, 2013, 02:08:44 PM
::)

retard

BOOM!
Thunder clap!
(That's what you guys say around here right?)  :D

You got me.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dre23 on January 19, 2013, 02:10:53 PM
With regard to Phil Heath...he grows into a show...a la Mr. Kevin Levrone, using the products needed to mutate and grow into competition.

Read your bible.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: BB on January 19, 2013, 02:30:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uivDLBEM6Ms.

What are the Squat / Bench / Deadlift numbers of the guy in the video out of curiosity?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dre23 on January 19, 2013, 02:42:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uivDLBEM6Ms.

What are the Squat / Bench / Deadlift numbers of the guy in the video out of curiosity?

Who knows...all we know is that he is a fat k unt.

Probably can't even squat 185lbs without having a stroke. Good grief!


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 19, 2013, 06:05:51 PM
LOL, once again you guys are delusional if you truly think that I'm g h 15.

For all his hormone wisdom, g h 15 can barely string a single sentence together with proper grammar, spelling, and capitalization.

Also, he has a temper and can be set off at any time.

As I have repeatedly said, I am simply a student, and clearly can discuss things with you two in a calm, peaceful manner using proper English grammar.

G H15 would have long ago called you filt, balonie, or some other misspelled insult.  ;)
LISTEN AND LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY AND AFTER YOU HEAR THE TRUTH HERE AND NOW ABOUT YOURSELF, PLEASE DO NOT GO AND COMMIT SUICIDE;

You are fat as fuck, you are ugly as hell and you are as dumb as they get. You said you were going for 10-12 reps and ended up doing 26 reps. It`s shrugs you dumbass, no one stops at 10.

Now if 100 people were in the room and they were asked if they wanted your body or galeniko`s body, all 100 of them would say galeniko.

if 1000 people were in the room, same thing, if 10 000, 1 million, 10 million. Hell if 100 000 000 ( 100 million) people were asked, they would all pick galeniko, every single one of them, not one person on the planet would pick your body over his, how does that make you feel?

So say whatever you want about his physique but think about that very closely given the fact that everyone would pick his over yours anything you say about his physique is making fun of your own cause your are light years under him, you following.


NOW THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED

Dre23, you came on here with an ego and pride and you wear raped beyond oblivion, I mean we gave you a beating of epic proportions, we took your spirit and drained it so fast that we humbled you HARDCORE, in fact you cam on here admitting you were wrong and started joking around with us adding humour and shit trying to SAVE FACE, YOU HAD NOTHING LEFT, YOU CAN TELL YOU WERE EMPTY IN SOUL AND WE CRUSHED YOUR MORALE.

Then something happened you went to your master and he made you regain your morale and composure and gave you back some spirit because you are in his complete control, you are a very insignificant person under his mind like a puppet on a string, you are a pawn and you are expandable. You are under supreme control and you can not get out even if you tried he has you hypnotized. So you are not only FAT, STUPID AND UGLY, YOU ARE ALSO A PUPPET, A PAWN, A NOBODY, A ROBOT BASICALLY AND YOU OFFER NOTHING TO ANYONE CAUSE NO ONE ON THE PLANET WANTS TO LOOK LIKE YOU.

Now you come back with some vengeance but you are forgetting one thin here. GETBIG IS KING, get big fucks them all in the ass, we take no prisoners and we can not be beat, we make full grown men cry we are the hardest, we are the baddest behind the key board and in real, YES IN REAL LIFE TOO' golds gym London Ontario, want my phone number too, lmao, ANYONE IS WELCOME TO COME GET SOME, INCLUDING GH15 DC CONNECTION OR MOB CONNECTION, lmao.

So everything you are doing is in vain cause you are not even in control, gh15 is in control, full control of you. You have no choice but to come on here cause he told you to come back and you said YES MASTER cause you are his slave. If you did not want to come back for round 2, it was not an option or he would have kicked you off his board. You have no freedom of speech cause you have top say specific things on here based on his objective, these are not thoughts of your own, you do not have that option.

So on top of living the way you are and being and not having control over your body, you also don`t have control over your soul and mind as gh15 owns them. On top of all these we already saw the limits you can handle cause we are already brought you to your knees once effortlessly. So listen up guy... I have no limits, i don`t go on my knees like we made you do, we are as tough as they come and we hit fucken hard. You come here is like throwing a grain of rice at a fucken tank BITCH.

Message for gh15, I know you are reading this bro so listen, go back a few a pages after we fucked up your pawn dre23 he started kissing our ass cause we drained him pretty fucken easy, is this the weak stock that you are growing over on that board, COME ON GH15, I thought you are a warrior man, send us a challenge not someone that gets knocked down in the first round. So gh15 I suggest you discipline this clown for being so weak and representing your board, I mean your rep is on the line here bro, guard it with your life, punish this clown.  ;)  

If you come on here or send us the message somehow that this clown DOES NOT REPRESENT your board then we will take it back that there isn`t weak minds over there, but you have to tell us this.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 19, 2013, 06:36:46 PM
thats not selfish thats honest.if i get paid i will take full responsibility if desired results are not achieved.i dont think GH and insulin can change the basic approach of dieting.i dont think any one will get any where taking your advise.you lack the basics.post the pic of any guy you helping and i will tell you if ur mouth match your ass.i normally dont pay attentions on people like you every gym is full of them free adivise nerds.sorry for jumping into ur thread.
Who the fuck are you?, you are a fucken nobody to me, why should I post other peoples pics just to show some fucken NO name internet loser something. Sorry dude but you count for Nothing, ZERO.

Now if you want you can post a pic of yourself and compare it to my physique (using my diet) if you got the balls, if not FUCK OFF and STFU


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: AVBG on January 19, 2013, 07:40:48 PM
No way dre23 is gh15 and at the same time he has little business discussing anything contest diet related.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: trapz101 on January 19, 2013, 07:42:55 PM
I am sorry to disappoint you all but I am not the god of hormones.

g h 15 is invincible.

Trust me, if I was g h 15, half of this board here right now (and that means all 50+gimmicks as well) would go nuts. They have already looked into me, and I am certainly not him.

GH15 is wanted for speaking the truth and for betraying the hierarchy. He doesn't have time for GB. He knows he has finished you...that is why he called you "the dying board"...and 4K to 1K is indeed pretty sad.

And it all happened by your own actions and lies.

Oh, and by the way, the g h 15 board now has over 4000 members, and if I'm not mistaken g h 15 has banned atleast 2000 himself.

His board is very successful, but sadly I am not him.

Next try...

I bet it is truly frustrating to not know the Master behind the scenes for going on 9 years now. But I can guarantee you one thing...

He is an IFBB Pro.

HE IS AN IFBB PRO


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Nomad on January 19, 2013, 07:51:09 PM
HE IS AN IFBB PRO

GOTA MAKE IT BIGGER

HE IS AN IFBB PRO


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: a_ahmed on January 19, 2013, 08:24:13 PM
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 ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: a_ahmed on January 19, 2013, 08:27:18 PM
(http://ct.fra.bz/tx/340x250/ol/fz/sw/i53/5/7/2/frabz-OH-SNAP-You-got-owned-274d90.jpg)

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Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: arce1988 on January 19, 2013, 09:03:54 PM
   WHO is he?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 20, 2013, 01:55:43 AM
Actually not...I'm winning the argument here. Notice how quiet everyone is. Only 2 big mouths are left: 1 who got screwed by IP for lots of money, and the other is just a big mouth in general who lacks credentials.

Most of Getbig knows the truth...they are the silent majority. Even OTH, who started this thread which I stole...even he knows the truth which is why he is more quiet.

If you hate g h15 that does not mean you need to hate his followers, and they are many:

-Wes
-Pellius
-Bigher
-BLP
-Jay Culter
-Even the current Mr. O, Mr. Phil Heath

They wouldn't talk about him all day long if what he said wasn't written in stone. Have you ever noticed that not a single pro has ever come here to dispute what g h 15 has said...not even the pros that hate him?? And indeed they won't because they know he is speaking the truth, and they have some pride and tact.

You hate him because he abandoned you, but it was you that were the cause of this...your ways...your lies. And even when he left you he still gave you the option to follow him, and some 3000 of you surely did.
What you talking about willis ,lmao ????????? ME QUIET, fuck no you did not just say that, I am the fucken loudest muthafu.... I will bring it to you so fucken hard bro, stop talking shit bro.

Honestly you can not possibly believe your own garbage bro, you just can not. You are bragging about 4000 members? we have 41 000 members here on getbig dumbass, so tell me you dumb shit if we went down by 75% then that means we had 160 000 members according your logic right?

 Oh and if we lost 120 000 members (75%) when gh15 left then that means you guys should have the 120 000 members right, oh but you only have a measly 4000, fuck math is not your strong point is it '' Mr.I am going for 10-12 and then does 26" lol, putting up a video of shrugs is fucken pathetic bro, seriously shrugs, lol, idiot

Trust me when gh15 left we lost 100 guys top, that is it the numbers never went down, we have more members now then we did when gh15 posted here, trust me he did not make a difference in traffic at all. Numbers do not lie bro, the stats are there for you to see for yourself.

I can't wait till your next post to see what BULLSHIT comes out next. BTW gh15 is not an ifbb pro, in fact I hounded him for an entire year to take a pic of his pro card with a piece of paper saying gh15 beside it and he didn't, he simply could not cause he does not own a pro card. I even told him to show us the back side of it that has an ifbb logo with no info on it. Anyone with a pro card claiming pro would have done this to prove they were pro, there is absolutely no reason not too but guess what he didn't and he couldn't, plain and simple cause he is NOT a pro.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: bigmc on January 20, 2013, 02:54:18 AM
No way dre23 is gh15 and at the same time he has little business discussing anything contest diet related.

why?

gh 15 is a multisuser account

it has been for the last four years


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 20, 2013, 03:02:38 AM
why?

gh 15 is a multisuser account

it has been for the last four years
Actually I believe dre23 is a real account, however at least 2 posts sounded exactly like gh15 and and sounded nothing like dre23 so what is going on is this; 

dre23 gave gh15 his password and gh15 logs onto getbig under dre23 username and writes whatever he wants, but he thinks we don't know that. See anyone of those slaveboys on the website will give gh15 their getbig passwords cause they are his elfs, his bitches, he says jump and they say 'how high'


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 20, 2013, 03:05:04 AM
gh15 appears to be some internet troll who believes he knows all there is to know about diet and drugs, he also doesn't seem to like anyone questioning his methods
He's not alone in this thread.   ::)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: bigmc on January 20, 2013, 03:08:24 AM
gh15 appears to be some internet troll who believes he knows all there is to know about diet and drugs, he also doesn't seem to like anyone questioning his methods
He's not alone in this thread.   ::)

you wont see one time hard offering rewards for people to harm other peoples kids for a reward like gh 15 does

you dont know the whole story jeffrey


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: bigmc on January 20, 2013, 03:10:15 AM
Actually I believe dre23 is a real account, however at least 2 posts sounded exactly like gh15 and and sounded nothing like dre23 so what is going on is this; 

dre23 gave gh15 his password and gh15 logs onto getbig under dre23 username and writes whatever he wants, but he thinks we don't know that. See anyone of those slaveboys on the website will give gh15 their getbig passwords cause they are his elfs, his bitches, he says jump and they say 'how high'

the angrier he got the closer to gh 15s posting style his posts became

funny that


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 20, 2013, 03:12:49 AM
gh15 appears to be some internet troll who believes he knows all there is to know about diet and drugs, he also doesn't seem to like anyone questioning his methods
He's not alone in this thread.   ::)
If you remember at the beginning of our debate I was polite to you and I even apologized for maybe being rude which I was not really but nevertheless I apologized just in case, so clearly I have no problem with a little debate or anyone questioning me, however you came back several pages later and started trolling hard and adding ridicule and mockery which will not be tolerated by me, but obviously you did not think I was going to react this way, clearly you have not hung out on getbig enough to see how vicious I am and how hard I hit, but truly don't kid yourself bro, it had nothing to do with an opposition it was you hanging off my nuts every chance you got that resulted in me owning you and making you look like a fool.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 20, 2013, 03:20:00 AM
you wont see one time hard offering rewards for people to harm other peoples kids for a reward like gh 15 does

you dont know the whole story jeffrey
Jeff is not aware that although I am a jerk to those who deserve it and I have a little ego towards my physique, I am actually very humble, humble enough to say that I buy my clothe and shoes at wal-mart and that I use coupons to buy my groceries and I live normal and that there is nothing fancy about me, in fact I am a roofer, a labourer and work hard for a living and I go to church so the last person I can be compared to is gh15.

You are spot on how jeffrey doesn't know the whole story, he has no clue at all. gh15 is tyrant of monstrous proportions and has no dignity, he threatens peoples family and even brings their children into the picture, anyone who does that might as well have sold their soul to the devil straight up and does not deserve oxygen.



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: whitewidow on January 20, 2013, 03:24:09 AM
SIMPLE- HOW TO GET CONTEST SHREDDED FOR ANYONE.

All these trainers and coaches make me sick acting like if it's some rocket science shit they are giving away, I have no problem with PT or coaches, they are good for motivation and guidance but where my problem lies is when they mislead their clients into thinking this shit is rocket science.

If you are on HRT or juice then listen up.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + low carbs (green veg allowed) and 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get anyone into single digits.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + No carbs (green veg and others allowed)+ 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get you to contest bodyfat levels.


Forget the calorie counting Bull Shit, forget the complicated dietary metabolism Bull Shit, forget the rocket science, all garbage, don't spend money on some expert trying to act like it is Calculus or physics. What I wrote above will get ANYONE from point A to point B (contest shape) period.

I will elaborate on a list of foods you can eat in part 2

EDIT; instructions on the use of ECA on no carb diet on page 3

EDIT: instruction on the proper use of carb days incorporated into a no                  carb diet on page 8

EDIT; THE LIST OF FOODS FROM PROTEIN ONLY SOURCES AND                            VEGETABLES ON PAGE 9

EDIT: 2 protocols for Clen use on a no carb diet on page 24


I agree most bodybuilding gurus make shit way to complicated but why let everyone else know this? let them spend the money and learn the hard way. Gurus=not needed!!!!! I cannot see a reason why anybody would hire a guru unless that is where they are getting their gear and they also might like somebody else doing their injections other then that I see no reason for a guru,what makes me sick is the guys who go pro without a guru and then once they get their pro card they start messing with gurus. I hav always said bodybuilders always over complicate shit! even with their gear usage! some of it is just not necessary and makes them actually look worse on-stage. How many pros have we seen play the size game and ruin their physiques?at least 75% of pros!


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 20, 2013, 03:27:23 AM

I agree most bodybuilding gurus make shit way to complicated but why let everyone else know this? let them spend the money and learn the hard way. Gurus=not needed!!!!! I cannot see a reason why anybody would hire a guru unless that is where they are getting their gear and they also might like somebody else doing their injections other then that I see no reason for a guru,what makes me sick is the guys who go pro without a guru and then once they get their pro card they start messing with gurus. I hav always said bodybuilders always over complicate shit! even with their gear usage! some of it is just not necessary and makes them actually look worse on-stage. How many pros have we seen play the size game and ruin their physiques?at least 75% of pros!
Good post WW. To answer your question about letting people know this, well getbig is one big happy family  :D ;) 8)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: whitewidow on January 20, 2013, 05:08:31 AM
Good post WW. To answer your question about letting people know this, well getbig is one big happy family  :D ;) 8)

hell you just saved alot of bodybuilders some major cash! props must be given to onetimehard!


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: whitewidow on January 20, 2013, 05:29:04 AM
Actually not...I'm winning the argument here. Notice how quiet everyone is. Only 2 big mouths are left: 1 who got screwed by IP for lots of money, and the other is just a big mouth in general who lacks credentials.

Most of Getbig knows the truth...they are the silent majority. Even OTH, who started this thread which I stole...even he knows the truth which is why he is more quiet.

If you hate g h15 that does not mean you need to hate his followers, and they are many:

-Wes
-Pellius
-Bigher
-BLP
-Jay Culter
-Even the current Mr. O, Mr. Phil Heath

They wouldn't talk about him all day long if what he said wasn't written in stone. Have you ever noticed that not a single pro has ever come here to dispute what g h 15 has said...not even the pros that hate him?? And indeed they won't because they know he is speaking the truth, and they have some pride and tact.

You hate him because he abandoned you, but it was you that were the cause of this...your ways...your lies. And even when he left you he still gave you the option to follow him, and some 3000 of you surely did.

You have alot of shit to prove ! where are these lab test showing exactly the breakdown of what were in these magic kigtropin kits very few people have tried? I have only seen the lab Tests Ronny T did on 4 kigtropin kits all wich showed it to be bunk garbage! so it had a fucking peptide in it anybody can purchase? so what? I saw a intervuew with phil Heath dissing on Gh15!
 jay cuttler does not know who the fuck he is! if i am wrong prove it! where is the proof Gh15 is a real IFBB pro? You cannot make the claims unless you can back them up.

Do you have a interview where Jay cuttler or Phil Heath gives a shout out to Gh15? what about that victor martinez bullshit where Gh15 took all the credit for his legal problem? I saw victor give a interview and when he gave all his props to the people who stuck by him he never mentioned Gh15! seems like if that bullshit was true he would of went out of his way to give gh15 a shout out! But nothing! just a shout out to the REAL people who stuck by him and the fans who wrote him! Gh15 did jack shit, yet you dumbfucks like pellius and others believe in your fucked up Gh15 controlled minds he actually really had something to do with victors case!

You talk alot of bullshit! start backing your claims up with facts! according to GH15 everybody on here is a narcotics dealer :P The biggest scammer and narcotics dealer is Gh15 himself! Gh15 and his "bighers dog is sick and needs 5 grand" scams-LOL. bigher blows all that cash on steroids and HGH and because of that he had no money when his dog got sick! what a loser! bigher rather blow his money on HGH and steroids and let his dog die that prick is so selfish and vain! Bigher cried because he wanted to be a moderator in the steroid section and we turned him down! Then I owned him off this board! he cried like a baby and wrote this big letter to Ron! absolutely hilarious shit! Bigher is one sensitive man!


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 20, 2013, 05:56:01 AM
bigmc wrote
Quote
you wont see one time hard offering rewards for people to harm other peoples kids for a reward like gh 15 does

Wow, you made an assumption I was talking about OTH, thats strange isn't it?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dr.chimps on January 20, 2013, 05:56:17 AM
gh is now sending over dwarves with shrugging videos!? Awesome tactic.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: bigmc on January 20, 2013, 06:19:31 AM
bigmc wrote
Wow, you made an assumption I was talking about OTH, thats strange isn't it?

 ::)

i am not going to debate with you if you act like a child


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 20, 2013, 06:46:48 AM
Debate with me?
About what, we haven't got anything to talk about.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: NordicNerd on January 20, 2013, 06:59:47 AM
No it's not. Jay is not an authority like Mentzer. Mentzer was an authority on training and nutrition. Jay? he uses Rambod. Not much of an authority when what you do comes from someone else's ideas. The article speaks for itself. Carbs are not the enemy.

Mentzer was a quack. His "logical" expositions were bad imitations of scientific language and he did not understand scientific methods.

NN


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: bigmc on January 20, 2013, 07:00:04 AM
Debate with me?
About what, we haven't got anything to talk about.

fuck off idiot  ::)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: NordicNerd on January 20, 2013, 07:02:38 AM
Relax ... I can take a joke. At the same time I have been bodybuilding for 20 years so I have done it all: natural, clean, roided, fitness, bb, etc.

That is a good baseline to get in shape. Then, each person needs to learn how their bodies respond to various things and adjust accordingly.

How true. I have never lost more muscle than when i tried to live mostly on canned tuna. It was horrible. Was hypoglycemic all the time and had to get up to piss three times a night. Training was bad as well as I had no energy for it. Strength loss was radical and same with muscle.

Best results ever? Simple calorie counting eating whatever I felt like.

NN


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dustin on January 20, 2013, 10:11:52 AM
Damn, more than 30 pages? OTH summed it up in the first post and clarified it 10 times over in his subsequent posts.

The only reason why people probably don't believe him is because they need a gimmick to go along with it. Throw in some BOSU ball exercises and some stupid bro science balonie and people would eat this up. It's their loss though. I do pretty much the same thing and skip breakfast and I always stay in good shape, even when I came off the juice and shrunk down a shit ton. More than 6 months clean and looking great again.

Thanks for the tips though. It's just a shame that so many idiots here won't listen to them. They pursue the wrong advices. ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Palpatine Q on January 20, 2013, 10:24:07 AM
fuck off idiot  ::)

Some people just have to be dicks, it's in their DNA.

A three year old knew he was implying OTH...he's only been post stalking him for a week now. But "play dumb" and think you are fooling someone  ::)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 20, 2013, 11:44:11 AM
bigmc wrote
Wow, you made an assumption I was talking about OTH, thats strange isn't it?
LMAO, oh, of course you weren't, lol
Some people just have to be dicks, it's in their DNA.

A three year old knew he was implying OTH...he's only been post stalking him for a week now. But "play dumb" and think you are fooling someone  ::)
The funny thing is this guy does not even know anything about the way getbig is, he truly is a NEWB. He does all that smartass stuff that NEWB's do and he actually thinks he is clever and geting away with it. He is ruining himself on here cause his only 2 friends are TA and bikinislut. Everyone else thinks he is a goof or retarded.

fuck off idiot  ::)
:)  what a clown, don't mind him bigmc, ''he wasn't talking about me." hahahahahahahahahahahaha ha lmao.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 20, 2013, 11:45:42 AM
Damn, more than 30 pages? OTH summed it up in the first post and clarified it 10 times over in his subsequent posts.

The only reason why people probably don't believe him is because they need a gimmick to go along with it. Throw in some BOSU ball exercises and some stupid bro science balonie and people would eat this up. It's their loss though. I do pretty much the same thing and skip breakfast and I always stay in good shape, even when I came off the juice and shrunk down a shit ton. More than 6 months clean and looking great again.

Thanks for the tips though. It's just a shame that so many idiots here won't listen to them. They pursue the wrong advices. ;D
Thanks bro, hey it's their loss  8)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ukjeff on January 20, 2013, 03:19:20 PM
Quote
How true. I have never lost more muscle than when i tried to live mostly on canned tuna. It was horrible. Was hypoglycemic all the time and had to get up to piss three times a night. Training was bad as well as I had no energy for it. Strength loss was radical and same with muscle.

Best results ever? Simple calorie counting eating whatever I felt like.

NN

Come on man, thats way to sensible for anyone believe, surely you must have just eaten with chopsticks carved from the wood of Jesus cross blanched in the urine of a virgin.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: outby43 on January 20, 2013, 04:48:18 PM
How true. I have never lost more muscle than when i tried to live mostly on canned tuna. It was horrible. Was hypoglycemic all the time and had to get up to piss three times a night. Training was bad as well as I had no energy for it. Strength loss was radical and same with muscle.

Best results ever? Simple calorie counting eating whatever I felt like.

NN

You gotta love the lost muscle crowd..lol.  Anyone who claims to lose a bunch of muscle was delusional about how much muscle they really had.  You were just fatter than you thought.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 20, 2013, 04:52:50 PM
You gotta love the lost muscle crowd..lol.  Anyone who claims to lose a bunch of muscle was delusional about how much muscle they really had.  You were just fatter than you thought.
Exactly, also some guys can not handle flattening out for a couple days, they think they lose muscle but it is just the glycogen that they lose, not muscle and when the carbs come back in the muscles explode again.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 20, 2013, 04:55:12 PM
yes, thats really all there is.

muscle are basicaly a tissue hanging on the bare bones, shredded is when theres no fat left.

hamdi himself told me, lw dosage gear users even if they go off gear and training, the muscle doesnt go away, it just is less ful and covered with bloat.

losing muscle during a diet on steroids and enough protein,i dont think so.

maybe when one aims for sub 6% bodyfat.but the guys over 10% afraid to lose muscle aree just pretty fat.

10% is lazy goal.
You have to have very bad genetics to lose muscle on NO CARBS in such a short period of time.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Mjolnir on January 20, 2013, 05:00:17 PM
Jesus can we shut this thread down already?  We're just going around in circles here with a couple of retards throwing a spanner in the wroks.  OTH has given the information freely to be helpful, just take the advice or leave it, no harm no foul.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dre23 on January 20, 2013, 09:41:28 PM
http://gh15biblebodybuild.blogspot.com/

Look at all the numbers and views and followers of the bible on this g h 15 webpage that he isn't even aware of. This happens all around the globe...South America, Europe, Asia, Australia.

When you are at the peak of your life achievement, you are indeed a god and that is what g h 15 is...just look at the number of people reading him and following him with tons of success stories. And these pages are not made by him...he is too busy to even be aware of them.

When g h 15 left this board he took with him every serious bodybuilder from here...he built Getbig and then he destroyed Getbig and it is very easy to see by a simple numbers check.

GH15 has banned more real people on his site than the total number of gimmicks Getbig has!

GH15 is the most important figure in bodybuilding history because any step that he makes is followed by tens of thousands of of up and coming bodybuilders as well as experienced bodybuilders.

He is now in TOTAL control...it used to be only Getbig but now he has simply hit the ball out of the stadium, and by doing so has made history.

TRUTH...seek it, learn it, apply it.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Krankenstein on January 20, 2013, 09:44:43 PM
http://gh15biblebodybuild.blogspot.com/

Look at all the numbers and views and followers of the bible on this g h 15 webpage that he isn't even aware of. This happens all around the globe...South America, Europe, Asia, Australia.

When you are at the peak of your life achievement, you are indeed a god and that is what g h 15 is...just look at the number of people reading him and following him with tons of success stories. And these pages are not made by him...he is too busy to even be aware of them.

When g h 15 left this board he took with him every serious bodybuilder from here...he built Getbig and then he destroyed Getbig and it is very easy to see by a simple numbers check.

GH15 has banned more real people on his site than the total number of gimmicks Getbig has!

GH15 is the most important figure in bodybuilding history because any step that he makes is followed by tens of thousands of of up and coming bodybuilders as well as experienced bodybuilders.

He is now in TOTAL control...it used to be only Getbig but now he has simply hit the ball out of the stadium, and by doing so has made history.

TRUTH...seek it, learn it, apply it.

When you can look down while pissing and see your own cock, and not the top of the head of the guy who was blowing you, I might consider what you are saying to be less bullshit.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: el numero uno on January 20, 2013, 10:05:51 PM
bigmc wrote
Wow, you made an assumption I was talking about OTH, thats strange isn't it?

wtf are you a 10 yo kid or something? ::) 


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: trapz101 on January 21, 2013, 12:16:44 AM
http://gh15biblebodybuild.blogspot.com/

Look at all the numbers and views and followers of the bible on this g h 15 webpage that he isn't even aware of. This happens all around the globe...South America, Europe, Asia, Australia.

When you are at the peak of your life achievement, you are indeed a god and that is what g h 15 is...just look at the number of people reading him and following him with tons of success stories. And these pages are not made by him...he is too busy to even be aware of them.

When g h 15 left this board he took with him every serious bodybuilder from here...he built Getbig and then he destroyed Getbig and it is very easy to see by a simple numbers check.

GH15 has banned more real people on his site than the total number of gimmicks Getbig has!

GH15 is the most important figure in bodybuilding history because any step that he makes is followed by tens of thousands of of up and coming bodybuilders as well as experienced bodybuilders.

He is now in TOTAL control...it used to be only Getbig but now he has simply hit the ball out of the stadium, and by doing so has made history.

TRUTH...seek it, learn it, apply it.


the problem is that there's only 20 twink kids who keeps visiting the site over and over again every minute


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: hangclean on January 21, 2013, 12:45:51 AM
LEGIT kigtropin was NOT growth hormone...it is NOT only growth hormone...it has inside it mega-dosed, legit igf lr3. Guys, don't play dumb. You are all on the g h 15 board and you have read his 1 million posts on it, so don't play the short bus kid.

Getbig got ruined by the filth that was sent here from Professional Muscle, one of which was slinpimp, and as you can see he is no longer here. Why? Because he came for a purpose and for a reason, and that is why your board is ruined.

But putting all of this aside, none of you were ever on legit kigtropins because you fell victim to IP. And this is a problem when you lie through your teeth about a product that you never tried or had in your blood.

Legit Kigtropin was not FDA gh...it was 100 times better
g h 15 rated FDA gh as a "4" and legit kigtropin is a "10"

That is a huge difference.
This is the most retarded thing i have ever read on this forum. 


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: bigmc on January 21, 2013, 01:38:40 AM
http://gh15biblebodybuild.blogspot.com/

Look at all the numbers and views and followers of the bible on this g h 15 webpage that he isn't even aware of. This happens all around the globe...South America, Europe, Asia, Australia.

When you are at the peak of your life achievement, you are indeed a god and that is what g h 15 is...just look at the number of people reading him and following him with tons of success stories. And these pages are not made by him...he is too busy to even be aware of them.

When g h 15 left this board he took with him every serious bodybuilder from here...he built Getbig and then he destroyed Getbig and it is very easy to see by a simple numbers check.

GH15 has banned more real people on his site than the total number of gimmicks Getbig has!

GH15 is the most important figure in bodybuilding history because any step that he makes is followed by tens of thousands of of up and coming bodybuilders as well as experienced bodybuilders.

He is now in TOTAL control...it used to be only Getbig but now he has simply hit the ball out of the stadium, and by doing so has made history.

TRUTH...seek it, learn it, apply it.

yet here you are on the dying board that you cant walk away from

trying to convince yourself that your site doesnt have 100 real members and 3000 made up by admin that have no posts and have never logged on

its just getting sad at this point you wouldnt be on here if it wasnt a much more significant website than the muscletech ad you call home


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: flinstones1 on January 21, 2013, 05:03:34 AM
here is me on low carbs when I ran this diet a while back or lower carbs... I didnt like how i lookd in clothes so like isaid i just said fuck it and quit ..... This was before I had ever touched a kit of hgh in my life..... weighed 215 pounds if that

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/138/photo123h.jpg/





Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: njflex on January 21, 2013, 07:08:53 AM
here is me on low carbs when I ran this diet a while back or lower carbs... I didnt like how i lookd in clothes so like isaid i just said fuck it and quit ..... This was before I had ever touched a kit of hgh in my life..... weighed 215 pounds if that

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/138/photo123h.jpg/




NOT BAD ,,,SHAPE IS THERE AND SKIN GETS A MORE WRAPPED LOOK AROUND THE MUSCLE,,,PHSYCOLOGICALLY YEAH U WEAR CLOTHES THEY HANG DIFFRENT AND U DON'T SEE THE LOW BODYFAT LOOK YOUR TRYING TO PORTRAY UNLESS OF COURSE IN TANK TOP,,,


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 21, 2013, 11:05:02 AM
here is me on low carbs when I ran this diet a while back or lower carbs... I didnt like how i lookd in clothes so like isaid i just said fuck it and quit ..... This was before I had ever touched a kit of hgh in my life..... weighed 215 pounds if that

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/138/photo123h.jpg/




Well, NO bullshit, out of all the pics you ever posted this pic is the best I have seen bro, you look real good there.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 21, 2013, 11:19:15 AM
yes, bit leaner and hed have amazing muscle bellies.

was definitely on the right path there.
What got my attention was that you can see his triceps while his arm is folded not extended, also good separation between delts and traps.

Hey flinstone, no matter what on any diet anyone and everyone eventually swims in there clothes if they come down from 13+ % body fat to 6%, it is normal. Also if you feel small cause a lack of carb load or glycogen in the muscle, it is only psychological, you haven't lost any muscle, the fullness comes back after a few carb meals.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: snx on January 21, 2013, 11:52:10 AM
I'll contribute my OTH diet principles meal of the day.

For this meal, you need the following:

1kg of bonelss skinless chicken breast
2 tbsp of black pepper
2 tbsp of salt
5 tbsp of basil
5 tbsp of oregano
5 tbsp of dried chives
6 tbsp of minced garlic
2 tbsp of dill
1 tbsp of crushed chili flakes
4 cups of chicken stock
1 onion diced
3 carrots
1 green pepper, diced
1 cup of frozen peas
1 cup of green or wax beans
1 cup of broccoli florets
1 large tin of stewed tomatoes
1 can of mushrooms
1 large bunch of spinach, chopped up

In a crock pot, combine spices, stock, and chicken breast. Allow to cook for 4 hours on high. Remove lid, and shred chicken with a couple of forks. Then, add the rest of the ingredients. Replace lid, and cook for another 4 hours.

This makes one day's worth of soup.

I guarantee, it's an awesome day's worth of food.

Soup is the ultimate appetite control food. For two very important reasons: First, there's a ton of liquid to it, which helps the dieter feel a sense of satiety very easily. Secondly, and perhaps most importantly, it forces you to eat rather slowly. For you guys that rush your eating (like me), you never get a chance to feel full, which can lead you to believe you're hungrier than you are. Eating a soup forces you to take your time, allowing you to feel full.

If you eat 4 times per day, like me, this yields 4 servings of soup, and each serving is about 750ml to 1 liter of soup. You eat that four times per day, you'll be full. But there's nothing in it in terms of fat (very little to no fat), and the only carbs come from the spices and veggies, which are permitted. There's a boatload of sodium in it, which also helps you stay full and well hydrated when you're dieting with no carbs.

Give it a shot. Thank me later.

Note: you will be tempted to put some crackers in there. Sorry. Try hot sauce instead. For the more culinarily inspired, you can shred fat-free skim milk cheese on top (which is mostly pure protein) or some fat free parmesan cheese.

Note 2: if you feel like cheating, add some kidney beans to it. Yes, carbs are not permitted. But the beans and negligible in terms of being able to blow your diet. And the soup will turn into a poor man's minestrone (minus the pasta), which tastes nice. And the beans will give you gas and bloat you out, making it real tough to continue eating.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 21, 2013, 12:16:14 PM
Awesome, keep those ideas coming bro  8)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 21, 2013, 02:18:52 PM
EVERYTHING NOW IS ON PAGE ONE

List of foods, ECA use, Clen use, cheat days etc


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 21, 2013, 03:23:01 PM
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SIMPLE- HOW TO GET CONTEST SHREDDED FOR ANYONE.

All these trainers and coaches make me sick acting like if it's some rocket science shit they are giving away, I have no problem with PT or coaches, they are good for motivation and guidance but where my problem lies is when they mislead their clients into thinking this shit is rocket science.

If you are on HRT or juice then listen up.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + low carbs (green veg allowed) and 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get anyone into single digits.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + No carbs (green veg and others allowed)+ 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get you to contest bodyfat levels.

Forget the calorie counting Bull Shit, forget the complicated dietary metabolism Bull Shit, forget the rocket science, all garbage, don't spend money on some expert trying to act like it is Calculus or physics. What I wrote above will get ANYONE from point A to point B (contest shape) period.




THE LIST


OK, here are your protein sources;

Egg whites
Chicken breast
lean Turkey
Cod
Haddock
Salmon
Tuna
Talipia
Shrimp
Liver
Protein shake ( find one with less then 4 grams of carbs per serving)

Now the following protein sources are kept to once a day;

Lean steak
Lean ground beef
Lean roast beef
Veal

In general I do not consider certain vegetable source to be carbs, cause your metabolism process them without any storage of fat, in other words the calories do not convert to fat

Here are your vegetable source;

Asparagus
Broccoli/purple sprouting broccoli
Cabbage
Cucumber
Onion
Spinach
Romaine lettuce
Tomatoes
Green Peppers

 Now the following vegetables should be kept to a minimum;

Celery
Carrots
Mushrooms
Peas

Dietary fats can come from flax oil or a supplement, I do not recommend they come from nuts or sees. From experience it is very easy to go crazy eating from nuts and seeds and can sabotage your diet.

Diet drinks are allowed, they have zero calories anyway.


Keep your veg. to one serving per meal.







ECA to fuel workouts on no carbs

12 weeks maximum use only


The way ECA works is it gives you more energy on less carbs, so say you take 32mg of ephedrine and you have ate 300 grams of carbs, the energy you get from the ECA will NOT be that great, if you ate 200 grams of carbs then the additional energy you get from it ECA will be more, and if you ate 100 grams it will be more yet. On 0 carbs the energy increase is the greatest on ECA. It is almost as if the carbs diminish it's potency.

So it is amazing on a no carb diet. But the problem is people do not know how to use ECA in a maximum beneficial manner so they do not get proper results. First mistake is they take it daily and periodically, huge mistake, your receptors get used to the stimulants fast so before you know it you have to keep upping the dose to achieve the same levels of energy it produces.

This is how I use it, only on training days and prior to a workout to start off with, I will take 32mg of ephedrine, 200mg caffeine, and 80mg aspirin 20 minutes before a workout and I am on a no carb diet and the energy from the ECA is NO different from that of having eaten tons of carbs, I swear absolutely no different in energy levels at all, still cranking 400 on the bench for reps no problem.

By only using it when I need it I will not tap out my receptors that quickly and at around the 3 week mark I will take 48mg of ephedrine instead of 32 cause by this point I will need more to achieve the same results.

at the 5 week mark I am up 64 mg at one time and 300mg of caffeine, the aspirin always stays at 80mg cause the body does not adapt to aspirin ( at least not noticeably). Now every 4 workouts I up the ephedrine by 8mg and when I get to the 96mg of ephedrine I add another 100 mg of caffeine. Remember up to this point your primary reason to have used ECA is as a stimulant for your workout and of course there are other secondary benefits as well.

At week six I take 8mg of ephedrine when I wake up and 8mg at launch, at week 7 I take 16mg of ephedrine when I wake up and 16mg at launch, at week 8 I take 24mg of ephedrine when I wake up and so on and so on. Now the primary reason for the ECA in the morning and at launch is for fat burning and to suppress appetite, while your pre-workout ECA still remains as a stimulant.



Incorporating clen on a no carb diet

TWO ways to do this, one requires you change your diet every two weeks and the other allows you to keep the same diet, however, your ECA protocol has to be changed.

Protocol one; Ok you are running on zero carbs so ECA is a must, and NO CARB diet has to include a stimulant such as ECA no matter what so since ECA and Clen together is rather hard on your heart, so I propose you take clen for 2 weeks and then ECA for 2 weeks, Clen for 2 weeks and then ECA for 2 weeks etc.

The 2 weeks you are on clen you will not have ECA to fuel your workout so you must take in carb pre-workout, but we are talking 100-150 grams of carbs daily. So your diet will be a no carb diet for 2 weeks (ECA) then a low carb diet for 2 weeks (Clen) etc. Plain and simple.


Protocol two; This one is a little harder so DO NOT do it if you are feeling to much anxiety, BE CAREFUL.

As mentioned earlier in the thread that on a NO CARB diet one must take ECA for 2 different reasons- reason #1 to stimulate your workout and reason #2- to stimulate fat burning and appetite suppressant.

 Once you start taking Clen drop reason #2, I repeat drop taking ECA multiple times per day as a fat burner and an appetite suppressant. Now the reason is your fat burning will come from Clen and it is already doing a good job so ECA for fat burning is NOT necessary, also there are NO synergistic affect anyway. Now you still need to take ECA as a stimulant pre-workout, this is a must to fuel your workout. At this point nothing changes in your diet, still a no carb diet with Clen as your main source of fat-lose tool and ECA as your main source of stimulant to duel your workout.

CONCLUSION; Do not ask me which one is better, it is not anyones call but yours, this could be hard on your system so make sure you dot all i's and cross all your t's before you make a mistake that can hurt you.

Now as far as dosage, again Clen reactions vary from person to person so I do not know what would be to much or to little for anyone, but I will say this though; start at 20mcg and work your way up, add a little every 2 days until you reach what you like. If you do protocol 2 since you are on ECA as well I would not recommend you ever cross 100 mcg daily and that is a lot. Most people stick to 40-60.




ADDRESSING THE CHEAT/CARB DAY[/[/i][/u]
If you are on low carbs no need for this


On a no carb diet most people use the weekly approach for a carb up day. I do not use this approach.

What I do is simple, I pick intervals in body weight throughtout the course of my journey and once every interval is met I have a cheat day.

Here is an example; start the diet at 250lb and I end up at 205lb so I pick all my cheat days in advance like this;

244 lb
239 lb
234 lb
229 lb
225 lb
221 lb
217 lb
214 lb
211 lb
208 lb
205 lb

Every time I hit my next weight goal I have a carb up day. The carb up day is 300-350 grams of carbs and it does not matter if the carbs are from complex sources or simple sources cause you are way depleted anyway, you will burn it all regardless.

Now notice how the first interval is 6lb and the last one is only 3 lb, well that is because at the beginning you lose lots of weight fast and then as you approach less bodyfat your weight lost slow down. weigh yourself on empty stomach first thing in the morning
Simple?
Yes, that sure looks simple to follow.
This regime could have people on the verge of a nervous breakdown, what are you thinking?
Anyone with a semblance of a normal life could end up living alone in a bedsit shivering.
You may as well advise people to try crystal meth.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Conker on January 21, 2013, 03:53:10 PM
Simple?
Yes, that sure looks simple to follow.
This regime could have people on the verge of a nervous breakdown, what are you thinking?
Anyone with a semblance of a normal life could end up living alone in a bedsit shivering.
You may as well advise people to try crystal meth.

You are pretty dramatic dude

You seem to think your body needs carbs to function .Carbs are simply the preferred energy source but your body is quite capable of utilising energy(cals) from fat and protein when necessary, and adding a bit of ECA/clen is hardly something really out there, considering the diet is  aimed at people who juice anyway.

TBH you have put absolutely nothing forward to back your argument why you are against this type of diet other than you didn't like it yourself ::)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: TheOne on January 21, 2013, 06:48:10 PM
Sorry for my ignorance but what is complicated about oth's plan?  It's fricken SIMPLE and easy to follow.  No weighing food, no counting calories or keeping a food journal.  OTH did not say that this is a no carb plan for life.  As stated on Pg 1,, this is a simple and effective plan to getting ripped in the most effective and efficient manner possible.  Once this condition has been attained I am sure you can incorporate carbs and have a more balanced diet in the maintenance phase of keeping your condition and maintaining all the hard work and sacrifices you made in the preceeding 10-12 weeks.

Thank you OTH, I appreciate your posts and for all the bullshitters and naysayers out there, give it a try and you might be pleasantly surprised  ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 21, 2013, 11:15:10 PM
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the deniers are washed up(ukjeff)
(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/2602/eerc.png)
Lol, I posted a picture from last year do I look washed up in it?
Just wait until you're 46, we can see how you look.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: cephissus on January 22, 2013, 01:08:04 AM
looking good uk.

here's what i took from this thread so far: i replaced one or two meals a day with 8 oz of spiced chicken and 1lb frozen vegetables, both cooked in the frying pan.  i swear on saturday my serratus was looking more defined, and i had more veins than before.  there's this one that runs across my oblique that i rarely ever see, but it was popping out well.

then i ate a big mac, large fry, ten chicken nuggets, brownies, peanut butter cups, m&ms, etc. on the weekend :D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: njflex on January 22, 2013, 08:32:45 AM
(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/2602/eerc.png)
Lol, I posted a picture from last year do I look washed up in it?
Just wait until you're 46, we can see how you look.
i have mentioned it many pages ago this is a great build period and that ur 46 makes it more impressive,,,,,i'm 44 and in great shape as well....


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dj181 on January 22, 2013, 08:43:24 AM
Mentzer was a quack. His "logical" expositions were bad imitations of scientific language and he did not understand scientific methods.

NN

explain


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: ilalin on January 22, 2013, 08:45:24 AM
EVERYTHING NOW IS ON PAGE ONE

List of foods, ECA use, Clen use, cheat days etc

Awesome thanks dude

I've been dieting for a week and a half now and am energized beyond belief....0 carbs!


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Metabolic on January 22, 2013, 08:50:34 AM
I just want to add one more thing, your ECA guide, or whatever it is supposed to be is, to say the least, weird.  Ephedrine is a beta receptor agonist (1 and 2, supposedly 3 too), it works as a lipolisis agent because of that exactly, agonism of beta receptors in your cells (techincally the epinephrine metabolites but whatever).  The Caffeine works increasing the cycle of epinephrine in your body (thats not biologically the right terms, I know). Aspirin has long been researche dot be useless.
The extra energy is, basically, just the extra epinephrine going around your body, higher doses, higher amounts of epinephrine metabolites in your system.  Of course, its true your receptors will fatigue of permament exposure, hence you need to quit the E and the C completely for a while before another cycle for full physiological effect (in fact, when fatigue occurs, youll consume the normal dose and be fucking fatigued immediately, tired, lethargic).

Just wanted to clarify so people don tget the twisted image OTH is portraying of EC stack.  If you need energy for workout just take come Caffine, the EC stack wll be un sustainable through time.

Sources: Anabolics, Llewellyn Jones, 9th Edition, Wikipedia, http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/EphedraandEphedrine-HealthProfessional/ and many more.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on January 22, 2013, 08:59:25 AM
(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/2602/eerc.png)
Lol, I posted a picture from last year do I look washed up in it?
Just wait until you're 46, we can see how you look.

you look great props

do you look like that now


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on January 22, 2013, 09:10:48 AM
Tomatoes are a fruit, they also have a shitload of sugar.  Onions have a lot of sugar, Mushrooms have almost none.  Your list doesn't make sense.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 22, 2013, 09:26:04 AM
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you look great props

do you look like that now
Thanks

Im around 30lbs heavier but still in reasonable shape (no gut)


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Post by: Cleanest Natural on January 22, 2013, 10:55:39 AM
Onetimehard at 185 lbs...THAT is ripped. Or at least MY ideea of in shape for bb


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on January 22, 2013, 10:59:05 AM
Thanks

Im around 30lbs heavier but still in reasonable shape (no gut)

what are you running


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: snx on January 22, 2013, 11:17:31 AM
Tomatoes are a fruit, they also have a shitload of sugar.  Onions have a lot of sugar, Mushrooms have almost none.  Your list doesn't make sense.

I won't argue the list or not, or what you said above (yes, a tomato is a fruit).

But you don't really think you'll get fat eating tomatoes and onions, right?

Now, funny story on tomatoes, because I've been dying to get this off my chest.

This is one of my memories I have of junior kindergarten. I'm 3 years old (started early at my parent's insistance that I was gifted, which I'm not). So, I go to class, and at some point the teacher said "class, everyone bring a piece of fruit into class tomorrow, and we'll cut them all up and everyone can share in a class fruit salad (no homo)."

So, I get home and tell mom and dad all about it. My self-serving parents take it upon themselves to use this as an opportunity to show my teacher how "gifted" I am. They proceed to instruct their young son into the botany of what distinguishes a fruit from a veggie (i.e. it has seeds, grows from a flower, etc...). They tell me "snx, a tomato is a fruit. Did you know that?". Of course I didn't, and smile. Then my parents tell me that I'm going to bring a tomato to school to show the whole class that tomatoes are fruits.

So there I go, trusting my parents, with a couple of tomatoes packed into my lunchbag. Teacher calls for the fruits, and one-by-one, kids head up to the front of the class to put their fruits on the table. There are pineapples, apples, oranges, pears, berries of all colors, even coconuts. Then I walk up and plop down my tomatoes. The teacher looks at me quizzically and says "snx, you know it's a fruit salad. We need fruits. These are vegetables". To which I opine, "but Mrs. Beauchamps, these ARE fruits. They have seeds, and sprouted from flowers, etc..."

I can't remember if she agreed with me, thought I was a smartass, or a stupid kid. But she purposefully set the tomatoes aside, made up the fruit salad. And all the little boys and girls got some, except me and the other kids who didn't bring in a fruit.

I went home and told mom and dad, and they just shook their heads in derision at the stupidity of the teachers at my school, and that I surely needed a more advanced program. I learned that day that being a smartass isn't all it's cracked up to be.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: el numero uno on January 22, 2013, 11:51:13 AM
I won't argue the list or not, or what you said above (yes, a tomato is a fruit).

But you don't really think you'll get fat eating tomatoes and onions, right?

Now, funny story on tomatoes, because I've been dying to get this off my chest.

This is one of my memories I have of junior kindergarten. I'm 3 years old (started early at my parent's insistance that I was gifted, which I'm not). So, I go to class, and at some point the teacher said "class, everyone bring a piece of fruit into class tomorrow, and we'll cut them all up and everyone can share in a class fruit salad (no homo)."

So, I get home and tell mom and dad all about it. My self-serving parents take it upon themselves to use this as an opportunity to show my teacher how "gifted" I am. They proceed to instruct their young son into the botany of what distinguishes a fruit from a veggie (i.e. it has seeds, grows from a flower, etc...). They tell me "snx, a tomato is a fruit. Did you know that?". Of course I didn't, and smile. Then my parents tell me that I'm going to bring a tomato to school to show the whole class that tomatoes are fruits.

So there I go, trusting my parents, with a couple of tomatoes packed into my lunchbag. Teacher calls for the fruits, and one-by-one, kids head up to the front of the class to put their fruits on the table. There are pineapples, apples, oranges, pears, berries of all colors, even coconuts. Then I walk up and plop down my tomatoes. The teacher looks at me quizzically and says "snx, you know it's a fruit salad. We need fruits. These are vegetables". To which I opine, "but Mrs. Beauchamps, these ARE fruits. They have seeds, and sprouted from flowers, etc..."

I can't remember if she agreed with me, thought I was a smartass, or a stupid kid. But she purposefully set the tomatoes aside, made up the fruit salad. And all the little boys and girls got some, except me and the other kids who didn't bring in a fruit.

I went home and told mom and dad, and they just shook their heads in derision at the stupidity of the teachers at my school, and that I surely needed a more advanced program. I learned that day that being a smartass isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Fruit = grows from a flower

Vegetable = plant

The word "vegetable" to describe food is not a botanical term hence people call vegetable to whatever they feel like depending on the region.

Your parents are smart people.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 22, 2013, 12:30:37 PM
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what are you running
nothing, I just train to stay in shape and it makes me feel good, I also have a chronic back injury that goes worse if I don't train.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Cleanest Natural on January 22, 2013, 12:45:13 PM
nothing, I just train to stay in shape and it makes me feel good, I also have a chronic back injury that goes worse if I don't train.
you are natural in that pic? lol


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on January 22, 2013, 12:55:36 PM
you are natural in that pic? lol

yes sev at 46 jeff can maintain that natural look easily


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 22, 2013, 01:05:59 PM
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you are natural in that pic? lol
Of course, Ive been training the best part of 27 years.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on January 22, 2013, 01:36:44 PM
yes, some random jeff can do that, while hamdulah, arguably some of the best genetics, cant

jeff is a great natural athlete and a credit to the sport

why would he lie about taking gear

when its clear you can stay big and ripped at 46 on creatine and no2 supps


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 22, 2013, 01:37:43 PM
Who said anything about maintaining?
I dieted for 20 weeks to get in shape for that photo, I said Im around 30lbs over that now.
You guys seem to think that literally nothing can be achieved without supplements.
Whats so unbelievable about my photo?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Overload on January 22, 2013, 01:38:18 PM
nothing, I just train to stay in shape and it makes me feel good, I also have a chronic back injury that goes worse if I don't train.

Yeah, sure you don't use.  ::)


8)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 22, 2013, 01:40:48 PM
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Yeah, sure you don't use
Thanks for the compliment


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Overload on January 22, 2013, 01:43:19 PM
Thanks for the compliment

You look great, but you aren't fooling anyone.

No reason to argue about it though, it's all good.


8)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 22, 2013, 01:49:46 PM
Why would I have to lie?
I used when I competed, then again you wouldn't believe what I took back then so theres no point saying.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on January 22, 2013, 01:52:35 PM
jeff proves that age is no barrier to staying big and ripped

jeff laughs in the face of his critics as he pounds a cold filtered whey protein shake right in the middle of the anabolic window

after a brutal workout jeff leaves the gym smiling

jeff has found the secret to lookig great folks hard work and a high protein diet

all hail jeff the king of natural bodybuilding



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 22, 2013, 02:00:21 PM
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jeff proves that age is no barrier to staying big and ripped
Im not big and ripped
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jeff laughs in the face of his critics as he pounds a cold filtered whey protein shake right in the middle of the anabolic window
Anabolic window...lol what a load of shite.
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after a brutal workout jeff leaves the gym smiling

moderate poundages 12-20 reps always leaves you smiling
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jeff has found the secret to lookig great folks hard work and a high protein diet
High protein diet? lol..have you been reading my posts?
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all hail jeff the king of natural bodybuilding
Far better natural athletes around than me mate, Im just a middle aged plodder.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on January 22, 2013, 02:03:48 PM
Im not big and rippedAnabolic window...lol what a load of shite.
moderate poundages 12-20 reps always leaves you smilingHigh protein diet? lol..have you been reading my posts?Far better natural athletes around than me mate, Im just a middle aged plodder.

see how jeff the king of natural bodybuilding is modest about his herculean physique

despite defying the laws of nature

jeff refuses to boast about his amazing ability to cheat genetic limits through hard work alone

jeff the inspiration jeff the champion jeff the new king of get big


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 22, 2013, 02:11:22 PM
You might surprise yourself if you tried to eat right and train consistently over 27 years rather than going crazy with half-baked scientifically unfounded diets and huge dosages of supplements and stimulants.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Cleanest Natural on January 23, 2013, 02:56:38 AM
Of course, Ive been training the best part of 27 years.
I have been training for only 20, yet I can spot a liar from a mile away. In a short while I will post pics ripped without hormones or burners at 37. So people can see what is left muscle wise at 5'11 1/2" when 6%. I have this unbelievable alergy to bullshitters "ukjeff".  ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jovo on January 23, 2013, 03:19:28 AM
i dont know if you wrote it, but what is your guide for a natural to get "shredded" ei: what type of diet and training/cardio regieme do you recommend for a natural athlete ?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Rami on January 23, 2013, 03:26:52 AM
restricting carbs just leads to over eating and rebound sooner or later.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Cleanest Natural on January 23, 2013, 03:28:13 AM
i dont know if you wrote it, but what is your guide for a natural to get "shredded" ei: what type of diet and training/cardio regieme do you recommend for a natural athlete ?
Dunno if you asked me .. but my training is 6 days a week 1 hour, one day 40 min fullbody circuit training with 20 min cardio and the next dai 1 hour tae bo. Thats all.

I eat twice a day 500 g lean meats (raw salmon and filet mignon) with bitter green leafy veggies.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Cleanest Natural on January 23, 2013, 03:29:15 AM
restricting carbs just leads to over eating and rebound sooner or later.
I stay away from carbs .. it's like rubbing your cock against a hot woman's pussy but trying to leave it at that.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: NordicNerd on January 23, 2013, 04:00:33 AM
explain

Mentzer confused theoretical, deductive reasoning with empirically derived facts. As far as I remember, he went from his premises to conclusions in a way that looked like "scientific reasoning", but he ignored the possibility that the premises could be wrong. Only empirical trials can tell the ultimate truth.

In medical science, you also see a lot of this. An example is the reasoning behind the use of antioxidants, such as vitamin E. In many types of disease, there is an etiology that involves oxidative stress (eg. in neurodegenerative diseases such as ALS or Parkinson's disease). Hence, the reasoning was that antioxidants should protect against these diseases.

Unfortunately, empirical studies have failed to show clear effects "in vivo". There are several "in vitro" studies that are promising, for vitamin E and plant-derived substances. However, in vivo, the evidence is sketchy. The point is, the premises may be wrong. It is not a logical necessity that taking antioxidants orally will benefit cells in the body that suffer from excessive oxidative stress, nor is it clear that oxidative stress in itself is causally related to the disease process.

If you read Mentzer, you'll se lot of similar error. If you want, I can find quotes and examples, but to me, the main error is his assumption that "one set to failure" is sufficient to induce optimal hypertrophy. This is starting to be disproved in trained subjects. It is also more complicated, as hypertrophy is not due to one single physiological process. For example, a recent finding is that training a muscle that is in a hypoxic/anoxic state, induces hypertrophy. Here is an example: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23166781

This contradict Mentzer, in that metabolic stress is one mechanism by which hypertrophy is induced: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23338987. One rep to failure may not induce optimal metabolic stress. This may be complicated by whether there is constant tension, number of reps etc. And IF one trains with multiple sets, duration of pauses may influence growth.

To me, Mentzers premise appears to be that there is a single dimension, called "intensity", that can be called "the stimulus", and given that one reaches 100% intensity in the shortest possible time, optimal growth will be induced. This is clearly simplistic and not backed up by research, although it may be valid for beginning trainers.

NN


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Krankenstein on January 23, 2013, 06:15:43 AM
Who said anything about maintaining?
I dieted for 20 weeks to get in shape for that photo, I said Im around 30lbs over that now.
You guys seem to think that literally nothing can be achieved without supplements.
Whats so unbelievable about my photo?

May I suggest reducing your carbs dramatically right now in order to dispose of that extra 30lbs of unwanted bodyfat?

restricting carbs just leads to over eating and rebound sooner or later.
Agreed.  Then again, thats if you are mentally weak like those people on the Biggest Loser.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: dj181 on January 23, 2013, 07:35:30 AM
thanks NN :)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: snx on January 23, 2013, 07:41:25 AM
Mentzer confused theoretical, deductive reasoning with empirically derived facts. As far as I remember, he went from his premises to conclusions in a way that looked like "scientific reasoning", but he ignored the possibility that the premises could be wrong. Only empirical trials can tell the ultimate truth.

In medical science, you also see a lot of this. An example is the reasoning behind the use of antioxidants, such as vitamin E. In many types of disease, there is an etiology that involves oxidative stress (eg. in neurodegenerative diseases such as ALS or Parkinson's disease). Hence, the reasoning was that antioxidants should protect against these diseases.

Unfortunately, empirical studies have failed to show clear effects "in vivo". There are several "in vitro" studies that are promising, for vitamin E and plant-derived substances. However, in vivo, the evidence is sketchy. The point is, the premises may be wrong. It is not a logical necessity that taking antioxidants orally will benefit cells in the body that suffer from excessive oxidative stress, nor is it clear that oxidative stress in itself is causally related to the disease process.

If you read Mentzer, you'll se lot of similar error. If you want, I can find quotes and examples, but to me, the main error is his assumption that "one set to failure" is sufficient to induce optimal hypertrophy. This is starting to be disproved in trained subjects. It is also more complicated, as hypertrophy is not due to one single physiological process. For example, a recent finding is that training a muscle that is in a hypoxic/anoxic state, induces hypertrophy. Here is an example: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23166781

This contradict Mentzer, in that metabolic stress is one mechanism by which hypertrophy is induced: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23338987. One rep to failure may not induce optimal metabolic stress. This may be complicated by whether there is constant tension, number of reps etc. And IF one trains with multiple sets, duration of pauses may influence growth.

To me, Mentzers premise appears to be that there is a single dimension, called "intensity", that can be called "the stimulus", and given that one reaches 100% intensity in the shortest possible time, optimal growth will be induced. This is clearly simplistic and not backed up by research, although it may be valid for beginning trainers.

NN

^^^I hope someone besides me reads this. This is quality posting and a well posited argument. Unfortunately, I predict a lot of "TL DNR" posts. Too bad. Their loss. I liked it.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: dj181 on January 23, 2013, 07:46:58 AM
^^^I hope someone besides me reads this. This is quality posting and a well posited argument. Unfortunately, I predict a lot of "TL DNR" posts. Too bad. Their loss. I liked it.

i read it, and it left me a bit confused, but i'll try and re-read it again a bit later when i have more energy to concentrate on it more fully


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 23, 2013, 08:13:05 AM
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May I suggest reducing your carbs dramatically right now in order to dispose of that extra 30lbs of unwanted bodyfat?
I don't have 30lbs of fat and the fat I do have isn't unwanted, its freezing fucking cold in the UK and a bit of extra insulation is handy to have.
When I do decide to lose it I will just reduce my overall calories.
Thanks for the advice anyway.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: C-BuZz on January 23, 2013, 08:22:16 AM
I have been training for only 20, yet I can spot a liar from a mile away. In a short while I will post pics ripped without hormones or burners at 37. So people can see what is left muscle wise at 5'11 1/2" when 6%. I have this unbelievable alergy to bullshitters "ukjeff".  ;)

I don't get the hate for Jeff? Seems pretty legit to me & achievable with some hardcore dieting/exercise.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: C-BuZz on January 23, 2013, 08:27:52 AM
ok, then go and achieve it.

good luck

What is his weight? I don't think I'm to far off that right now @ I'm 38. Also, it's got nothing to do with luck  ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: C-BuZz on January 23, 2013, 08:34:30 AM
well, i dont know his weight, but hes quite tall, but he now also says hes 30lbs of fat heavier than in that pic, well, that i can believe being natural.

the ripped condition, not so much.

also, why would weight matter, it doesnt, its all how its looks.

if weight would matter i should look like 1999 flex wheeler,haha

So what your saying is it's impossible for him to be lean naturally?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 23, 2013, 08:45:35 AM
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but he now also says hes 30lbs of fat heavier than in that pic
No I didn't I said I was 30lbs heavier, I also take into account water weight.
I dieted for 20 weeks for that photo and looked like I had fucking cancer, people in the gym were always asking me if I was OK.
I weighed about 195lbs in the photo Im 5' 10'


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: njflex on January 23, 2013, 09:40:19 AM
No I didn't I said I was 30lbs heavier, I also take into account water weight.
I dieted for 20 weeks for that photo and looked like I had fucking cancer, people in the gym were always asking me if I was OK.
I weighed about 195lbs in the photo Im 5' 10'
THATS STILL PRETTY BIG AND WITH THE CONDITION DUDE,,,,


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Cleanest Natural on January 23, 2013, 10:51:04 AM
nah everyone can be lean naturaly, the question is how much size will be left.

hes not just lean there, thats straightup competition level.
exactly .. it amuses me how year after year some dude lean WITH muscles comes here with the usual line:"I am naturally ripped because I have been working out for 58 years blah blah"


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 23, 2013, 11:36:36 AM
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hes not just lean there, thats straightup competition level.
No it isn't, I wouldn't have dreamed of getting onstage like that.
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exactly .. it amuses me how year after year some dude lean WITH muscles comes here with the usual line:"I am naturally ripped because I have been working out for 58 years blah blah"
I stopped competing in 96, I have always exercised since then, (not always weights) and kept my weight at a reasonable level.
I know for a fact I didn't take my body past its genetic capabilities with too many supplements and as such I didn't suffer a massive amount of loss when I stopped (take Ronnie as a prime example, the guy is falling apart)
I know what I gained was down to exercise and nutrition and not massive amounts of chemicals.
"The higher you climb the further you fall"
I couldn't care less what people want to believe but at the end of the day shouting at people who chose to do things differently and get results just exposes a lack of belief in your own ability.
If you need large amounts of chemicals to get in shape or gain muscle then maybe bodybuilding isn't for you.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Conker on January 23, 2013, 12:45:10 PM
No it isn't, I wouldn't have dreamed of getting onstage like that.I stopped competing in 96, I have always exercised since then, (not always weights) and kept my weight at a reasonable level.
I know for a fact I didn't take my body past its genetic capabilities with too many supplements and as such I didn't suffer a massive amount of loss when I stopped (take Ronnie as a prime example, the guy is falling apart)
I know what I gained was down to exercise and nutrition and not massive amounts of chemicals.
"The higher you climb the further you fall"
I couldn't care less what people want to believe but at the end of the day shouting at people who chose to do things differently and get results just exposes a lack of belief in your own ability.
If you need large amounts of chemicals to get in shape or gain muscle then maybe bodybuilding isn't for you.

LOL bit ironic given your input to this thread  ::)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: cephissus on January 23, 2013, 01:00:51 PM
thanks for that.in other words mentzer was a full of bs crackhead, whod have thought.

he was talking out of his ass, and ppl like dj181 think there might be something to his theories.

umh, no, mentzer trained like dorian did, and that sure wasnt 1 set to failure and thats that.

i rmember when i got curious to see dorians training video, and what did i find out, he does a totaly normal training routine, pyramyds up and calls the last set to failure.lol.

these 2 guys grew bc of drugs and genetics.their training was what pretty much everyone does these days.



great post


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on January 23, 2013, 01:02:35 PM
No it isn't, I wouldn't have dreamed of getting onstage like that.I stopped competing in 96, I have always exercised since then, (not always weights) and kept my weight at a reasonable level.
I know for a fact I didn't take my body past its genetic capabilities with too many supplements and as such I didn't suffer a massive amount of loss when I stopped (take Ronnie as a prime example, the guy is falling apart)
I know what I gained was down to exercise and nutrition and not massive amounts of chemicals.
"The higher you climb the further you fall"
I couldn't care less what people want to believe but at the end of the day shouting at people who chose to do things differently and get results just exposes a lack of belief in your own ability.
If you need large amounts of chemicals to get in shape or gain muscle then maybe bodybuilding isn't for you.

jeff the man mountain laughing in the face of his critics

jeff knows that a balanced diet and creatine supps along with hardcore workouts

are the secret to his genetic defying build

not for jeff the shortcut of drugs

no my friends jeff the new skip lacour

the new face of natural bodybuilding


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 23, 2013, 01:03:40 PM
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LOL bit ironic given your input to this thread
Oh really?
I don't think I have been "shouting" in this thread at all, I questioned the ops methods and provided evidence to back the validity of my claims.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 23, 2013, 01:05:59 PM
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jeff the man mountain laughing in the face of his critics

jeff knows that a balanced diet and creatine supps along with hardcore workouts

are the secret to his genetic defying build

not for jeff the shortcut of drugs

no my friends jeff the new skip lacour

the new face of natural bodybuilding
Aw thanks.. you will have me blushing.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Krankenstein on January 23, 2013, 01:38:12 PM
Oh really?
I don't think I have been "shouting" in this thread at all, I questioned the ops methods and provided evidence to back the validity of my claims.

What evidence other than "nope, my way is better"?

P.S.  How much of that 30lbs is fat again?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 23, 2013, 01:44:25 PM
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What evidence other than "nope, my way is better"?
Lol, I never said that either.
Do you actually read threads before you post in them?

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P.S.  How much of that 30lbs is fat again?
Again?
I haven't said at all.
TBH I have no idea, I still have abs although they are blurred, I have never tried to measure my BF levels, I couldn't care less what they are, If was competing I wouldn't bother either, whats the point of thinking you are 4% bodyfat if you look shit in the mirror.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on January 23, 2013, 01:46:17 PM
Lol, I never said that either.
Do you actually read threads before you post in them?
Again?
I haven't said at all.
TBH I have no idea, I still have abs although they are blurred, I have never tried to measure my BF levels, I couldn't care less what they are, If was competing I wouldn't bother either, whats the point of thinking you are 4% bodyfat if you look shit in the mirror.

take a current pic jeff

it will be inspirational for the guys on here


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 23, 2013, 01:52:20 PM
Nah..no more pics
I have proved my point in this thread.

Im getting the feeling you guys are just whacking off to them.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on January 23, 2013, 01:54:41 PM
Nah..no more pics
I have proved my point in this thread.

Im getting the feeling you guys are just whacking off to them.

you must look like shit now

you couldnt wait to post the old pic

you should post on bodybuilding.com

be more your thing


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Conker on January 23, 2013, 02:02:34 PM
Oh really?
I don't think I have been "shouting" in this thread at all, I questioned the ops methods and provided evidence to back the validity of my claims.


How did you back your claims? You tried to discredit the OPs diet because you tried it and didn't get on with it...You posted a stage pic where I admit you looked very good, with good conditioning, but no better condition than OTH stage pic...

So how exactly did you "back up the validity of your claims"?

Bear in my mind you were the one rubbishing this diet and no one argued that it wasn't possible to get in stage condition using your diet...


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 23, 2013, 02:09:53 PM
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you must look like shit now

you couldnt wait to post the old pic
Lol, go and read the thread OTH commented on the fact it took me 12 hours to post a pic, hardly "couldn't wait"
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Great build but 12 hours to search for your best pic bro


kidding,, lol

As for me looking like shit, you think that if it makes you feel better about yourself.
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So how exactly did you "back up the validity of your claims"?
Go and read the thread
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Bear in my mind you were the one rubbishing this diet
Lol... show me where I rubbished it?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on January 23, 2013, 02:11:44 PM
Lol, go and read the thread OTH commented on the fact it took me 12 hours to post a pic, hardly "couldn't wait"
As for me looking like shit, you think that if it makes you feel better about yourself.Go and read the thread

if you had been honest and said i dont look so good now im not posting a current pic

i would respect that

but to pull the people wanking over my pics excuse is just pathetic


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 23, 2013, 02:15:01 PM
I think I look good for 47, I'm not contest ready by any stretch of the imagination but I look better than 95% of guys my age.

the wanking comment was meant in jest


Now put your cock away.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on January 23, 2013, 02:16:15 PM
I think I look good for 47, I'm not contest ready by any stretch of the imagination but I look better than 95% of guys my age.

the wanking comment was meant in jest


Now put your cock away.

so in the pic you posted you had just come off gear

and now a year later you look nowhere near as good

juice for the win


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: njflex on January 23, 2013, 02:17:40 PM
I think I look good for 47, I'm not contest ready by any stretch of the imagination but I look better than 95% of guys my age.

the wanking comment was meant in jest


Now put your cock away.
THAT PIC U SHOWED FROM LAST YR WERE U CLEAN?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 23, 2013, 02:20:27 PM
yes.
When I was 16-20 I had that condition all year round without diet or training.
I was only 160lb when I started lifting but was always lean and in shape.

Why do people find it so unbelievable that someone can gain 35lb of muscle in 27 years?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on January 23, 2013, 02:21:18 PM
yes.

how long for


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 23, 2013, 02:25:21 PM
since 96 when I stopped competing


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on January 23, 2013, 02:26:06 PM
since 96 when I stopped competing

so how come you couldnt stay in that shape

doesnt that negate all your arguments about your nutrition regime


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 23, 2013, 02:26:56 PM
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so in the pic you posted you had just come off gear
No, I didn't say that.
Fuck me I m sure Im being trolled.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on January 23, 2013, 02:27:53 PM
No, I didn't say that.
Fuck me I m sure Im being trolled.

you dont come across as honest in your posts



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Conker on January 23, 2013, 02:31:29 PM
the reason the ops diet will work isn't anything to do with protein or carbs, he says himself you cant eat enough protein in the amounts to not lose weight, so its the reduction in calories that causes the weight loss, so as long as you are in a calorie deficit you will lose weight.
Just eating protein may be fine if you don't have a normal life, some people need to drive cars and work and not be fearful of slipping into a hypoglycaemic state.

To eliminate carbs completely is moronic to say the least.

OK without trawling the entire thread , trying to say you will be at risk whilst driving is not rubbishing the diet?
and it's utter BS anyway. Many people have done low carb/keto diets whilst holding down full time jobs and leading "normal" lives.

Just because you react to something in a certain way does not mean it will necessarily be the same across the board.




Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 23, 2013, 02:32:05 PM
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so how come you couldnt stay in that shape

doesnt that negate all your arguments about your nutrition regime
Fuck me this is like spoonfeeding a fucking baby, please try and read posts.
I dieted down and facially looked like shit, I dont carry much weight in my face to begin with so I looked ill and gaunt so I didn't want to look like I was fucking dying.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on January 23, 2013, 02:33:06 PM
Fuck me this is like spoonfeeding a fucking baby, please try and read posts.
I dieted down and facially looked like shit, I dont carry much weight in my face to begin with so I looked ill and gaunt so I didn't want to look like I was fucking dying.

calm down jeff the liar

bit of roid rage creeping in


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 23, 2013, 02:35:04 PM
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OK without trawling the entire thread , trying to say you will be at risk whilst driving is not rubbishing the diet?
Nope, its pointing out a possible side effect of not eating enough carbs.
I have said several times the diet will work, so try not to label me as "rubbishing it" again.
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Just because you react to something in a certain way does not mean it will necessarily be the same across the board.
Does that mean its just me then and no one else will have a bad reaction to the diet?
I don't understand your reasoning?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 23, 2013, 02:36:36 PM
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calm down jeff the liar

bit of roid rage creeping in

 ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: dustin on January 23, 2013, 02:41:29 PM
I stay away from carbs .. it's like rubbing your cock against a hot woman's pussy but trying to leave it at that.

"What if I just put the tip in?" ;D

I agree on the carb thing. It's a lot easier to exclude them all together than to have a little bit and get a nice fat hit of insulin fucking up your dieting plans. I just go crackhead style and skip breakfast, pop ephedrina like Tic tacs, train and eat a big dinner. So much easier than measuring stuff out like a metrosexual fuck bag and dicking around with gimmicky dieting rules and restrictions.

Drugs, fast, train, get shredded. The less of a fatass you are, the less you suffer. The more of a fatass you are, the more you suffer. Pretty simple.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on January 23, 2013, 02:43:14 PM
"What if I just put the tip in?" ;D

I agree on the carb thing. It's a lot easier to exclude them all together than to have a little bit and get a nice fat hit of insulin fucking up your dieting plans. I just go crackhead style and skip breakfast, pop ephedrina like Tic tacs, train and eat a big dinner. So much easier than measuring stuff out like a metrosexual fuck bag and dicking around with gimmicky dieting rules and restrictions.

Drugs, fast, train, get shredded. The less of a fatass you are, the less you suffer. The more of a fatass you are, the more you suffer. Pretty simple.

have you tried a high protein breakfast

it really helps curb your appetite for the rest of the day


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Conker on January 23, 2013, 02:45:47 PM
Nope, its pointing out a possible side effect of not eating enough carbs.
I have said several times the diet will work, so try not to label me as "rubbishing it" again.Does that mean its just me then and no one else will have a bad reaction to the diet?
I don't understand your reasoning?

"Just eating protein may be fine if you don't have a normal life, some people need to drive cars and work and not be fearful of slipping into a hypoglycaemic state."

How is that "pointing out possible side effects" ? That is you clearly implying that that this diet is not suitable for people that need to drive or work lest they be in constant fear of going hypo... based on a sample size of 1.

I'm sure my reasoning is quite logical and straightforward , try rereading a few times if you are having trouble comprehending.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: dustin on January 23, 2013, 02:52:19 PM
have you tried a high protein breakfast

it really helps curb your appetite for the rest of the day

Yep, but I feel bloated. If I fast my body seems to process any shit I throw at it.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on January 23, 2013, 02:54:53 PM
Yep, but I feel bloated. If I fast my body seems to process any shit I throw at it.

you always looked ripped so i guess horses for courses

if i dont eat breakfast i end up binging on carbs later that morning

i thinks its a low blood sugar thing



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: njflex on January 23, 2013, 03:07:57 PM
you always looked ripped so i guess horses for courses

if i dont eat breakfast i end up binging on carbs later that morning

i thinks its a low blood sugar thing


I EAT SOMETHING EVERY MORNING EGGBEATERS/2 SLICE WHOLE GRAINS TOAST .


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: dustin on January 23, 2013, 04:54:24 PM
you always looked ripped so i guess horses for courses

if i dont eat breakfast i end up binging on carbs later that morning

i thinks its a low blood sugar thing



It probably is. My glucose metabolism used to be all over the place and it really gave me a fuckload of migraines in the past. Then for whatever reason it just became a lot more tolerable! I'm just milking it with no complaints.

I think insulin and glucose metabolism is a huge component that's overlooked by everyone. I still read sites like sciguru.com and sciencedaily.com and I'm amazed when I see headlines about researchers "thinking" that they've drawn a tangible link between insulin/blood sugar and obesity. REALLY!? Thanks for the info there, tips!! Bring both of them down and the body will FINALLY have the opportunity to use those ham hocks that people lug around.

Fatties don't stand a chance and I don't think there's any genuine interest in the field. I think there must be a global collusion with all these high fructose starches and corn products being laced into everything. I think they're just letting people get fat and then GSK or Pfizer will come out with a pill for them to take that'll "treat" their obesity. If people only paid attention and recognized that eating less was the key, they'd stop trying to find excuses under every nook and cranny.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: King Shizzo on January 23, 2013, 05:01:47 PM
Ttt for 1000  :D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Krankenstein on January 23, 2013, 10:31:10 PM
the reason the ops diet will work isn't anything to do with protein or carbs, he says himself you cant eat enough protein in the amounts to not lose weight, so its the reduction in calories that causes the weight loss, so as long as you are in a calorie deficit you will lose weight.
Just eating protein may be fine if you don't have a normal life, some people need to drive cars and work and not be fearful of slipping into a hypoglycaemic state.

To eliminate carbs completely is moronic to say the least.

Oh no!!!! NOT the dreaded hypoglycemic state.  Geezus holy hell, when will it hit me???  Guess what Jeff...I havent had a starchy carb since sunday.  I am not out there running my car off the road.  These are the foods I have eaten:

Eggs (whole and whites)
Chicken Breast
Cottage Cheese (1%)
Ground Beef (93% lean)
Ground Turkey (93% lean)
Beef Tenderloin
Fat Free Cheese
Low Fat Cheese
Cabbage
Broccoli

POSSIBLE sources of carbs:
Watered down BBQ sauce/salad dressing (1tsp sauce/dressing + 2 tsp water)
1 Tbl of ketchup / morning on eggs
MAX 1oz of Almonds/day


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on January 23, 2013, 11:41:43 PM
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the jeff has posted some ancient pic and is now 30lbs heavier, probaly 40lbs more lard and 10lbs less muscle.
Ancient , as in last January?
If it makes you feel better about yourself  you thinking of me being so out of shape then you go for it.
just get back to this board and post a pic when you are 47.
Lots of young blowhards on here spouting off.
Your time will come guys and I guarantee I look better now than 95% of 47 year olds.
Hope you lot can make the same claim when your time comes.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: Conker on January 24, 2013, 01:36:53 AM
TBH mate I think you blow your own trumpet a bit too loud, those pics although good do not show fantastic condition.

TBH "the jeff" is full of it. He has made a big issue here , all the while saying he knows the diet works.

I think the above post shows his true motivation, seems his issue is probably more to do with his problem with OTH "blowing his trumpet too hard" than it has anything to do with any objection to the diet.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Krankenstein on January 24, 2013, 05:41:37 AM
Ancient , as in last January?
If it makes you feel better about yourself  you thinking of me being so out of shape then you go for it.
just get back to this board and post a pic when you are 47.
Lots of young blowhards on here spouting off.
Your time will come guys and I guarantee I look better now than 95% of 47 year olds.
Hope you lot can make the same claim when your time comes.

I am 43 and look better than 96.234% of all 43 yo


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: njflex on January 24, 2013, 09:21:06 AM
I am 43 and look better than 96.234% of all 43 yo
TRUE,,,I'M 44 BETTER THAN MOST 44 YR OLDS,,


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on January 24, 2013, 12:04:24 PM
Wow, been gone for 3 days and I come back to see ukliarjeff is being ganged bang, OWNED OT OBLIVION, hey jeff give it up, this is getbig bro.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on January 24, 2013, 12:06:11 PM
Sorry for my ignorance but what is complicated about oth's plan?  It's fricken SIMPLE and easy to follow.  No weighing food, no counting calories or keeping a food journal.  OTH did not say that this is a no carb plan for life.  As stated on Pg 1,, this is a simple and effective plan to getting ripped in the most effective and efficient manner possible.  Once this condition has been attained I am sure you can incorporate carbs and have a more balanced diet in the maintenance phase of keeping your condition and maintaining all the hard work and sacrifices you made in the preceeding 10-12 weeks.

Thank you OTH, I appreciate your posts and for all the bullshitters and naysayers out there, give it a try and you might be pleasantly surprised  ;)
no problem, and thanks for the deedback


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on January 24, 2013, 12:16:54 PM
I just want to add one more thing, your ECA guide, or whatever it is supposed to be is, to say the least, weird.  Ephedrine is a beta receptor agonist (1 and 2, supposedly 3 too), it works as a lipolisis agent because of that exactly, agonism of beta receptors in your cells (techincally the epinephrine metabolites but whatever).  The Caffeine works increasing the cycle of epinephrine in your body (thats not biologically the right terms, I know). Aspirin has long been researche dot be useless.
The extra energy is, basically, just the extra epinephrine going around your body, higher doses, higher amounts of epinephrine metabolites in your system.  Of course, its true your receptors will fatigue of permament exposure, hence you need to quit the E and the C completely for a while before another cycle for full physiological effect (in fact, when fatigue occurs, youll consume the normal dose and be fucking fatigued immediately, tired, lethargic).

Just wanted to clarify so people don tget the twisted image OTH is portraying of EC stack.  If you need energy for workout just take come Caffine, the EC stack wll be un sustainable through time.

Sources: Anabolics, Llewellyn Jones, 9th Edition, Wikipedia, http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/EphedraandEphedrine-HealthProfessional/ and many more.

First of all, the comment made about aspirin being useless is utter nonsense, people do not listen to this poster, he does not no what he is talking about. The aspirin brings down the jitters, the anxiety, nervousness, discomfort, etc BIGTIME. Also it thins out the blood so the ephedrine anc caffeine enter the blood stream a lot quicker, it is very important.

Now he is right about taking a lay off before using again, but already outline this myself and that is why every week you are adding to compensate for your body getting used to it, but all this matters little cause this diet is intended to be for only 12 weeks at most unless you are super fat then maybe 16 weeks but almost anyone will be shredded in this time period using this diet.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, instructions on a paper napkin
Post by: OTHstrong on January 24, 2013, 12:20:13 PM
TBH "the jeff" is full of it. He has made a big issue here , all the while saying he knows the diet works.

I think the above post shows his true motivation, seems his issue is probably more to do with his problem with OTH "blowing his trumpet too hard" than it has anything to do with any objection to the diet.
I THINK YOU NAILED, right here^^^. ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on January 24, 2013, 12:26:54 PM
yes jeff the natural freak

might have been better reading some of the threads on here

before revealing his nature defying size and conditioning


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on January 25, 2013, 11:29:38 AM
yes jeff the natural freak

might have been better reading some of the threads on here

before revealing his nature defying size and conditioning
He obviously never thought this through;  In his prime, 17 years ago he was a national level competitor and was young, motivated, juiced and had the incentive of competition to reach a reasonably good physique and now he has reached the SAME LEVEL PHYSIQUE AT NEARLY 50 YEARS OLD AND NO INCENTIVE OF COMPETING AND NATURAL, WOW, WE HAVE HOUDINI IN THE HOUSE GUYS.

Hey liar jeff, this now your new getbig nickname, liarjeff, no longer ukjeff  ;)   ,...... lol, so basically what liarjeff is saying is that juice and age have ZERO effect on him.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: a_ahmed on January 25, 2013, 02:56:49 PM
I thought this was thread relevant:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/content/maintaining-muscle-low-2718/


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Krankenstein on January 25, 2013, 03:42:32 PM
I thought this was thread relevant:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/content/maintaining-muscle-low-2718/

Shit, you beat me to it!!!!!!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22835211

The energy in the very low carb diet was derived for 55 percent from fat, for 40 percent from protein and for 5 percent from carbohydrates. The gymnasts consumed 1970 kcal per day. Their protein intake was high: 2.8 g per kg bodyweight per day. The low-carb diet was therefore also a high-protein diet.

Our data suggest that athletes who underwent a very low carbohydrate ketogenic diets with adequate protein intake lost weight and improved body composition without any negative changes in strength and power performance", the Italians conclude in the last section of their article. "In conclusion, this dietetic approach in the short term could be helpful in sports that involve weight categories.




Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ilalin on January 28, 2013, 12:13:21 PM
Thanks Onetimehard, ketogenic is the way go...
I'm on 60mg duloxetine/day and 900-sometimes 2100mg pregabalin/day for my back pain.
For some pregabalin opens up their appetite, for me it's a miracle cure during dieting.
I eat once a day, 250g of protein, 20-30g fat (essential fat included) and no carb (probably some, very low) .
No cravings, no hungar pangs so far, I love it.
My third week just started, went from 16 to 12mm caliper pinch in my ab area so far...
I'm following your second protocol for clen with eca.

boze pravde


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Rajkapoor on January 30, 2013, 03:43:34 PM
36 pages of this crap....long live getbig.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: arce1988 on January 30, 2013, 03:49:07 PM
60mg Duloxetine per day and 2,100mg Pregabalin



 Fuck that.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ilalin on January 31, 2013, 08:56:39 AM
60mg Duloxetine per day and 2,100mg Pregabalin



 Fuck that.

have you ever experienced a prolapsed disc?



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ilalin on January 31, 2013, 09:01:16 AM
question for onetimehard

some trainers do not recommend more than 300mg total aas content (i assume no esters weight) /week while dieting.
what do you think of this?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Rudee on January 31, 2013, 09:24:01 AM
I'm curious how a ketogenic diet pairs with a HIT workout program such as P90x, Rushfit, Insanity, etc, where your energy demands can go through the roof fairly quickly.   I'm aware that ketones can fuel lower intensity strength training workouts, but does anybody have any experience with ketogenic dieting during higher intensity workout programs such as those as mentioned above?   My initial thoughts would be that HIT plus low carb could be a recipe for muscle loss.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: AVBG on January 31, 2013, 01:37:40 PM
I'm curious how a ketogenic diet pairs with a HIT workout program such as P90x, Rushfit, Insanity, etc, where your energy demands can go through the roof fairly quickly.   I'm aware that ketones can fuel lower intensity strength training workouts, but does anybody have any experience with ketogenic dieting during higher intensity workout programs such as those as mentioned above?   My initial thoughts would be that HIT plus low carb could be a recipe for muscle loss.

It's actually opposite.. get in, work out and get out. 


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: thelamefalsehood on January 31, 2013, 03:22:31 PM
question for onetimehard

some trainers do not recommend more than 300mg total aas content (i assume no esters weight) /week while dieting.
what do you think of this?

I'm interested in this as well. I like to low dose when cutting. Wondering what other GB'rs do


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: njflex on January 31, 2013, 09:08:12 PM
i do this.i do low doses of test e on this diet.

see my year round shredded physique as testament to that.pic above.

why?

well, test e wont cause much wate rretention on such a diet, estrogen levels will be low, and sex drive and agressivness for training will be good,unlike on other drugs.also test will always keep you somewhat full, no matter if youre starving badly.

the trick is, to be on very very low dosage or clean before starting this diet.

if one was bulking on 1 gramm test and goes for this diet on 250-500 weekly, this wont be very good.

i dont like poking myself too often, hence my choice of drugs, but this diet on some propioanate and tren gonna grant brutal hardness.
sound advice mate as always...


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Cleanest Natural on February 01, 2013, 05:27:37 AM
sound advice mate as always...
only a naive guy like you can consider his advice "sound" .. oh brother


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ilalin on February 01, 2013, 08:19:18 AM
i do this.i do low doses of test e on this diet.

see my year round shredded physique as testament to that.pic above.

why?

well, test e wont cause much wate rretention on such a diet, estrogen levels will be low, and sex drive and agressivness for training will be good,unlike on other drugs.also test will always keep you somewhat full, no matter if youre starving badly.

the trick is, to be on very very low dosage or clean before starting this diet.

if one was bulking on 1 gramm test and goes for this diet on 250-500 weekly, this wont be very good.

i dont like poking myself too often, hence my choice of drugs, but this diet on some propioanate and tren gonna grant brutal hardness.

cool


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on February 01, 2013, 09:40:21 AM
Quote
Wow, been gone for 3 days and I come back to see ukliarjeff is being ganged bang, OWNED OT OBLIVION, hey jeff give it up, this is getbig bro.
lol, owned to oblivion?
You don't know what 'owned' is, although you couldn't handle me on your own without getting nasty and aggressive, a real forum lightweight you are mate.
Even your friends told you to back off because I had your number, care to start another daft thread to see how it pans out?

PS I only popped back because I was bored, I wasn't going to bother, its no sport at all here.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on February 01, 2013, 09:40:58 AM
lol, owned to oblivion?
You don't know what 'owned' is, although you couldn't handle me on your own without getting nasty and aggressive, a real forum lightweight you are mate.
Even your friends told you to back off because I had your number, care to start another daft thread to see how it pans out?

where abouts in the uk are you Jeff


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on February 01, 2013, 09:42:02 AM
Do you want my home address and phone number?   ::)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on February 01, 2013, 09:43:25 AM
Do you want my home address and phone number?   ::)

no i just was curious where you trained what the gyms are like

it aint that serious bro


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on February 01, 2013, 11:17:17 AM
Quote
but the motivational aspect where theres many huge guys is great.
Outed
Quote
no i just was curious where you trained what the gyms are like

it aint that serious bro
a gyms a gym if you are internally motivated, it doesn't matter who's there, I train when its quiet, I would prefer it if it was empty.
Some on the other hand need to show off to others with their little tank tops and make a lot of noise.
I train covered up and I shut the fuck up, I find I can get a bit extra out of a set that way.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on February 01, 2013, 11:21:41 AM
Outeda gyms a gym if you are internally motivated, it doesn't matter who's there, I train when its quiet, I would prefer it if it was empty.
Some on the other hand need to show off to others with their little tank tops and make a lot of noise.
I train covered up and I shut the fuck up, I find I can get a bit extra out of a set that way.

so you basically go to boxercise

hardcore bro


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 01, 2013, 12:21:26 PM
question for onetimehard

some trainers do not recommend more than 300mg total aas content (i assume no esters weight) /week while dieting.
what do you think of this?
Well, anything is appropriate according to your goals. I know guys who compete that triple their aas while dieting for a show and then I know guys who cut their aas in half while dieting cause they are not trying to build muscle. So everyone is different. But I will say this, it is a lot better to lower your test while dieting and to switch too fast acting esters such as Prop and acetate or even suspension esters.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 01, 2013, 12:22:13 PM
36 pages of this crap....long live getbig.
....and yet you come back to check on this thread daily  ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 01, 2013, 12:25:36 PM
lol, owned to oblivion?
You don't know what 'owned' is, although you couldn't handle me on your own without getting nasty and aggressive, a real forum lightweight you are mate.
Even your friends told you to back off because I had your number, care to start another daft thread to see how it pans out?

PS I only popped back because I was bored, I wasn't going to bother, its no sport at all here.
Question?..... Did you stop bodybuilding cause your genetics rejected aas and your body did not change no matter how much juice you took?

I mean it would suck to be 200 lb and then to jump on all kinds of juice and then at the end not gain a pound off the juice, I feel for you bro, that sucks to have this problem. :'(


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on February 01, 2013, 02:13:36 PM
Quote
Question?..... Did you stop bodybuilding cause your genetics rejected aas and your body did not change no matter how much juice you took?

I mean it would suck to be 200 lb and then to jump on all kinds of juice and then at the end not gain a pound off the juice, I feel for you bro, that sucks to have this problem.
Question, did you jump on all sorts of juice because you just couldn't cut it without.
Did you have to resort to idiotic diets because you couldn't work out your calorific intake if you added in carbs?

And best one of all, how far do you think you are going to fall when you finally stop your current regime?

Dont worry, I will answer that for you, you will be the same as when you started but just in worse shape.

Your time will come mate, it happens to all the heavy juicers.
"Light weight baby"


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 01, 2013, 02:22:53 PM
Question, did you jump on all sorts of juice because you just couldn't cut it without.
Did you have to resort to idiotic diets because you couldn't work out your calorific intake if you added in carbs?

And best one of all, how far do you think you are going to fall when you finally stop your current regime?

Dont worry, I will answer that for you, you will be the same as when you started but just in worse shape.

Your time will come mate, it happens to all the heavy juicers.
"Light weight baby"
What other reason would there be for juicing EINSTEIN, did you come up with that one on your own.

I did not juice in 2009 till 2010, I ran a marathon in 2009 and tried to purposely lose 30 lb of muscle and it was hard to do, In fact it was near impossible for me to go under 200 lb despite being on no juice and having single digit body fat level, so even naturally and not training with weights I am still muscular to some degree.

And for the diet, I chose this "idiotic" diet cause it is the fastest humanly possible way to get shredded without losing any muscle. See, I don't like paying for the same real estate twice. Now answer my question please. Mr. ''I am natural"  ::)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: King Shizzo on February 01, 2013, 02:28:25 PM
brutal obvious grooming attempt by ukjeff :-X

for you uk guys, i trained at musclewroks gym in bethnal green, london.

where every single member is all geared up.

awesome place, fucking shit interior and old equipment, but the motivational aspect where theres many huge guys is great.
Outed.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on February 01, 2013, 03:00:21 PM
Quote
What other reason would there be for juicing EINSTEIN, did you come up with that one on your own.
Lol, so you couldn't gain on your own then you post
Quote
I did not juice in 2009 till 2010, I ran a marathon in 2009 and tried to purposely lose 30 lb of muscle and it was hard to do, In fact it was near impossible for me to go under 200 lb despite being on no juice and having single digit body fat level, so even naturally and not training with weights I am still muscular to some degree.
So you simply cant get rid of all your massive ripped muscles either?   ;D ;D ;D ;D
I wonder if all your cronies will round on you and call you a bullshit artist after that pile of bollocks.
Quote
Question?..... Did you stop bodybuilding cause your genetics rejected aas and your body did not change no matter how much juice you took?
No, I stopped because I didn't want to go down the road of taking any more than I was at the time and i had better things to do that compete in bodybuilding shows, oh, and I took 750 mgs a week total at my highest. believe it or not.

Im not going to bother with you again after this post because its clear aren't cut out for this, I could end up driving you mad.

Bye Bye OTH.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: a_ahmed on February 01, 2013, 04:08:53 PM
wow you guys are still going at it?

Hey OTH, I dropped 7.5" off my waist since getting back in the game in may last year. I got new pix I haven't showed you (back shot). Won't post here. You're too busy man.

I'm contemplating a bulk in 2 months. I feel like trying m1t for the first time. hmmm.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 01, 2013, 08:04:06 PM
wow you guys are still going at it?

Hey OTH, I dropped 7.5" off my waist since getting back in the game in may last year. I got new pix I haven't showed you (back shot). Won't post here. You're too busy man.

I'm contemplating a bulk in 2 months. I feel like trying m1t for the first time. hmmm.
Wow, that is awesome bro, fuck you are so close to being shredded bro, fuck it, go all the way, what you have been through takes some serious will power brother. PM me the pic, will be back in a few hours, was gone for a week doing a job out of town.

As for Jeff, I am just fucken with him a bit, he already ruined himself on here cause getbig does not tolerate 2 things; 1 is a liar and 2 is playing dumb and clever acting like the getbig crowd was born yesterday and he has done both unfortunately.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Krankenstein on February 02, 2013, 05:49:41 AM
Shit, you beat me to it!!!!!!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22835211

The energy in the very low carb diet was derived for 55 percent from fat, for 40 percent from protein and for 5 percent from carbohydrates. The gymnasts consumed 1970 kcal per day. Their protein intake was high: 2.8 g per kg bodyweight per day. The low-carb diet was therefore also a high-protein diet.

Our data suggest that athletes who underwent a very low carbohydrate ketogenic diets with adequate protein intake lost weight and improved body composition without any negative changes in strength and power performance", the Italians conclude in the last section of their article. "In conclusion, this dietetic approach in the short term could be helpful in sports that involve weight categories.




Still waiting for UKJeffrey to comment on this...


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on February 02, 2013, 06:19:21 AM
onetimehard wrote
Quote
Here is an example; start the diet at 250lb and I end up at 205lb so I pick all my cheat days in advance like this;
244 lb
239 lb
234 lb
229 lb
225 lb
221 lb
217 lb
214 lb
211 lb
208 lb
205 lb

then wrote
Quote
I did not juice in 2009 till 2010, I ran a marathon in 2009 and tried to purposely lose 30 lb of muscle and it was hard to do, In fact it was near impossible for me to go under 200 lb despite being on no juice and having single digit body fat level, so even naturally and not training with weights I am still muscular to some degree.

So lets just look at that shall we.
On maximum steroid intake and his best/fastest diet, OTH is the same as when he is clean and running marathons.
And you call me a bullshitter   ::)

I know you guys wont pick up on his daftness because you are like a bunch of schoolyard bullies, you ignore each others errors because you are all essentially frightened of each other and dont want to get out of your little "circle of trust".
OTH talks about this forum like you are some kind of "force to be reckoned with", its laughable, to be able to get under someones skin you need to be subtle, a full frontal attack is the tactic of the idiot.

I think i have had enough now, I will go and find some worthy opponents elsewhere, you guys are way too easy.



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on February 02, 2013, 06:24:49 AM
Quote
The energy in the very low carb diet was derived for 55 percent from fat, for 40 percent from protein and for 5 percent from carbohydrates.

What do you want me to say?
The fact that the energy rating of 5% from carbs was due to the fact that there was a lower intake of carbs in the diet(thats what a "low carb diet" means)

I don't know what point you are trying to make
let me re-word it for you
The energy in the very low protein diet was derived for 55 percent from carbs, for 40 percent from fat and for 5 percent from protein.
OR
The energy in the very low fat diet was derived for 55 percent from carbs, for 40 percent from protein and for 5 percent from fats.



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Krankenstein on February 02, 2013, 06:37:06 AM
What do you want me to say?
The fact that the energy rating of 5% from carbs was due to the fact that there was a lower intake of carbs in the diet(thats what a "low carb diet" means)

I don't know what point you are trying to make
let me re-word it for you
The energy in the very low protein diet was derived for 55 percent from carbs, for 40 percent from fat and for 5 percent from protein.
OR
The energy in the very low fat diet was derived for 55 percent from carbs, for 40 percent from protein and for 5 percent from fats.

Perhaps if you had clicked on the provided hyperlink and actually read the resultant article you would learn something Jeffrey.  Please try again as your post makes absolutely no sense.

Hyperlink of FULL text... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3411406/

During the ketogenic period the prescribed daily intake of carbohydrate was 22g. The percentage distribution of total daily energy macronutrients was 54.8% fat, 40.7% protein and 4.5% carbohydrates.

During the WD period the macronutrients were distributed in the following order: 46.8% carbohydrate, 38.5% lipids, 14.7% protein.

Going by your standards (omitting any errors or backtracking you have done), the WD (western diet) should be appropriate.  Correct?

(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3411406/bin/1550-2783-9-34-2.jpg)
Changes in body weight (a) and kilograms of fat (b) before and after very low carbohydrate diet and western diet. SD are showed with bars.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on February 02, 2013, 06:55:28 AM
just read the article
I like this bit in the conclusion
Quote
Many coaches do not favorably accept the use of a ketogenic diet by their athletes, both due to the absence of knowledge of the effects of the LCKD and due to fear that the diet can rebound on the physical performance of the athlete.

What a laugh.
"Many coaches" who are these "many coaches" and where is the data to back up this statement?
Its just an article written by someone, it's his opinions based on his interpretation of the data, do you think there are other articles contradicting this one?
Of course there are.
I have said the diet will work, you guys really need to read peoples posts.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Conker on February 02, 2013, 08:35:39 AM
Jeffro effortlessly dismissing peer reviewed, scholarly articles, written and scrutinized by acknowledged experts in their field, as "a laugh"
 ::)

who to belive UKJeffro who says you can't do a low carb diet if you have a "normal" life or drive a car? Or a bunch of acclaimed professors who specialise in this field. hmmmm

Here's another
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15148063

"CONCLUSIONS: Compared with a low-fat diet, a low-carbohydrate diet program had better participant retention and greater weight loss. During active weight loss, serum triglyceride levels decreased more and high-density lipoprotein cholesterol level increased more with the low-carbohydrate diet than with the low-fat diet."

Participants in this study found it easier to stick with and showed better fat loss with a low carb diet as opposed to low fat.




Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: deceiver on February 02, 2013, 09:05:37 AM
jeff

What is this "secret" knowledge that will make someone cut on higher amount of carbs? Are you trying to say there is some magical "protocol" following which you can get shredded:

 - naturally
 - on high carbs which means basically higher calories than onetimehard diet. fats are arleady low in his diet, protein is on "decent" level, so IF you add carbs you ADD calories.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Krankenstein on February 02, 2013, 10:16:54 AM
just read the article
I like this bit in the conclusion
What a laugh.
"Many coaches" who are these "many coaches" and where is the data to back up this statement?
Its just an article written by someone, it's his opinions based on his interpretation of the data, do you think there are other articles contradicting this one?
Of course there are.
I have said the diet will work, you guys really need to read peoples posts.

Just an article based on some opinions.  WOW.  Hello Jeffro???  We are all stating in our opinion that the low carb approach is the best for shedding the fat.  yet, here you come and start spouting off from your mangina that we are wrong.  I just provided you with one of many articles supporting this.

In addition, why would a bodybuilder care about the "rebound on the physical performance of the athlete"?  Its about fat loss.

So, please resume leaving this thread with your tail between your legs.  Oh, wait.  I know, you are 46 yo and you look better than most 46yo.  You did this show, or that show and dieted a certain way.  You have put on 30lbs since those pics (yet have little to say what that 30lbs consist of).  Few have backed you up on your own approach.  Why do you think that is?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 02, 2013, 10:46:05 AM
onetimehard wrote
then wrote
So lets just look at that shall we.
On maximum steroid intake and his best/fastest diet, OTH is the same as when he is clean and running marathons.
And you call me a bullshitter   ::)

I know you guys wont pick up on his daftness because you are like a bunch of schoolyard bullies, you ignore each others errors because you are all essentially frightened of each other and dont want to get out of your little "circle of trust".
OTH talks about this forum like you are some kind of "force to be reckoned with", its laughable, to be able to get under someones skin you need to be subtle, a full frontal attack is the tactic of the idiot.

I think i have had enough now, I will go and find some worthy opponents elsewhere, you guys are way too easy.


Obviously math is NOT your strong point, lmao. 205 lb was contest shape, we are talking 4% bodyfat ding dong and when I did the the marathon I was around 190 at around 8-9% bodyfat, that is 30lb of muscles... HUUUUUUUUUUge difference. Nice try idiot. No errors, pure consistency on my behalf.

First you call us bullies then you say we are to easy, which one is it cause for you to call us bullies means we did a number on you and you were crying in the corner. Oh and do me a favor stop crying Wolf, after every post you say "I'm not going to bother with you again after this post" Save it, we all know you will be back with another post so why do you feel the need to say that every time you reply to me. You are a glutton for punishment  :-[


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 02, 2013, 10:51:23 AM
jeff

What is this "secret" knowledge that will make someone cut on higher amount of carbs? Are you trying to say there is some magical "protocol" following which you can get shredded:

 - naturally
 - on high carbs which means basically higher calories than onetimehard diet. fats are arleady low in his diet, protein is on "decent" level, so IF you add carbs you ADD calories.
Jeffro is claiming that if you cut the protein on a "no carb" diet in half and replace it with carbs you will have the same amount of calories and the same fat lost and he claim that the enormous reduction in protein will not have an effect on your muscle whatsoever, you will maintain the same amount of muscle as you would eating double the protein.  hahahahah, lmao.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: a_ahmed on February 02, 2013, 10:56:51 AM
lol this thread is entertaining. Go oth :P


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 02, 2013, 11:12:30 AM
lol this thread is entertaining. Go oth :P
lol, hey just sent you a PM  8)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 11:15:08 AM
Ketogenic diets are dangerous and should be avoided at all costs. A free tip from Team Harridan.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/128113-dangers-ketogenic-diets/

http://www.sideroad.com/Weight_Loss/low-carb-diet-danger.html


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: a_ahmed on February 02, 2013, 11:18:18 AM
(http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/vospalej/vospalej0906/vospalej090600037/4983165-danger-area.jpg)

You will lose fat be warned. Very dangerous.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on February 02, 2013, 11:30:16 AM
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What is this "secret" knowledge that will make someone cut on higher amount of carbs?
I never claimed there was, read my posts.
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First you call us bullies then you say we are to easy, which one is it cause for you to call us bullies means we did a number on you and you were crying in the corner
Thats your lack of comprehension, I can see people being bullied in the schoolyard, does that mean I am a victim.
OTH you really need to try and spend more time formulating your responses or you will get all upset again and start swearing.
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"I'm not going to bother with you again after this post" Save it, we all know you will be back with another post so why do you feel the need to say that every time you reply to me.
OK, if thats what you want, lets see how long it is before you start crying to your "friends" to find out who I am and where I live.
Im going to make you lose your mind.
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5161/g60018g6865.gif)

Oh and its just you OTH, I will ignore everyone else for the time being.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 11:33:38 AM
(http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/vospalej/vospalej0906/vospalej090600037/4983165-danger-area.jpg)

You will lose fat be warned. Very dangerous.

You will also lose fat if you starve.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 11:36:37 AM
crossing the street is also dangerous.

who in the fuck is team hairydan? ::)

haha, the most brutal self ownage so far came from ukjeff"you cant drive a car on low carbs"

oh brother :)

Yeah, that's why you look twice before you cross to check if it's safe to do so. And after looking twice (and a few more times), I've found ketogenic diets to be a total bust when it comes to healthy diets. Refer to the articles posted to see why. Team Harridan is my stable of athletes and coaches.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 11:39:27 AM
Hahahaha, I wonder how many fuckin' idiots there are on Getbig who are on/advocate ketogenic diets contrary to the golden advice of Team Harridan. Bloody tools all. :'(


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 02, 2013, 12:04:24 PM
Hahahaha, I wonder how many fuckin' idiots there are on Getbig who are on/advocate ketogenic diets contrary to the golden advice of Team Harridan. Bloody tools all. :'(
Back up your team Harridan Horseshit by posting a pic  ;)

I never claimed there was, read my posts.Thats your lack of comprehension, I can see people being bullied in the schoolyard, does that mean I am a victim.
OTH you really need to try and spend more time formulating your responses or you will get all upset again and start swearing.OK, if thats what you want, lets see how long it is before you start crying to your "friends" to find out who I am and where I live.
Im going to make you lose your mind.
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5161/g60018g6865.gif)

Oh and its just you OTH, I will ignore everyone else for the time being.
Formulate a plan? lol,, hahahaahah is that what you do bro? We post after reading a post, it takes 2 seconds, we don't sit there with a panel of experts to breakdown the contents of someones reply, lmao, you think to much of this..... wow, You also think we get together in a secret meeting and talk among each other, lol. Everyone on this thread re just people enjoying getbig, we are not in alliance or a team of any sort, in fact a lot of us agreeing with each other have bumped heads ourselves, so the only common grown we have is that we are all in agreement that dieting on low carbs is very efficient and effective and dieting on no carbs is even more efficient, that's it, it ain't no GETBIG conspiracy to go after UK-liar-jeffros, it just so happens that getbiggers all think alike and that is to storm on the shit-talkers like yourself, that's it.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 12:06:40 PM
Back up your team Harridan Horseshit by posting a pic  ;)
Formulate a plan? lol,, hahahaahah is that what you do bro? We post after reading a post, it takes 2 seconds, we don't sit there with a panel of experts to breakdown the contents of someones reply, lmao, you think to much of this..... wow, You also think we get together in a secret meeting and talk among each other, lol. Everyone on this thread re just people enjoying getbig, we are not in alliance or a team of any sort, in fact a lot of us agreeing with each other have bumped heads ourselves, so the only common grown we have is that we are all in agreement that dieting on low carbs is very efficient and effective and dieting on no carbs is even more efficient, that's it, it ain't no GETBIG conspiracy to go after UK-liar-jeffros, it just so happens that getbiggers all think alike and that is to storm on the shit-talkers like yourself, that's it.

Okey dokey bro. A pic of what exactly?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 12:09:06 PM
SIMPLE- HOW TO GET CONTEST SHREDDED FOR ANYONE.

All these trainers and coaches make me sick acting like if it's some rocket science shit they are giving away, I have no problem with PT or coaches, they are good for motivation and guidance but where my problem lies is when they mislead their clients into thinking this shit is rocket science.

If you are on HRT or juice then listen up.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + low carbs (green veg allowed) and 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get anyone into single digits.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + No carbs (green veg and others allowed)+ 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get you to contest bodyfat levels.


Forget the calorie counting Bull Shit, forget the complicated dietary metabolism Bull Shit, forget the rocket science, all garbage, don't spend money on some expert trying to act like it is Calculus or physics. What I wrote above will get ANYONE from point A to point B (contest shape) period.




THE LIST


OK, here are your protein sources;

Egg whites
Chicken breast
lean Turkey
Cod
Haddock
Salmon
Tuna
Talipia
Shrimp
Liver
Protein shake ( find one with less then 4 grams of carbs per serving)

Now the following protein sources are kept to once a day;

Lean steak
Lean ground beef
Lean roast beef
Veal

In general I do not consider certain vegetable source to be carbs, cause your metabolism process them without any storage of fat, in other words the calories do not convert to fat

Here are your vegetable source;

Asparagus
Broccoli/purple sprouting broccoli
Cabbage
Cucumber
Onion
Spinach
Romaine lettuce
Tomatoes
Green Peppers

 Now the following vegetables should be kept to a minimum;

Celery
Carrots
Mushrooms
Peas

Dietary fats can come from flax oil or a supplement, I do not recommend they come from nuts or sees. From experience it is very easy to go crazy eating from nuts and seeds and can sabotage your diet.

Diet drinks are allowed, they have zero calories anyway.


Keep your veg. to one serving per meal.








ECA to fuel workouts on no carbs

12 weeks maximum use only


The way ECA works is it gives you more energy on less carbs, so say you take 32mg of ephedrine and you have ate 300 grams of carbs, the energy you get from the ECA will NOT be that great, if you ate 200 grams of carbs then the additional energy you get from it ECA will be more, and if you ate 100 grams it will be more yet. On 0 carbs the energy increase is the greatest on ECA. It is almost as if the carbs diminish it's potency.

So it is amazing on a no carb diet. But the problem is people do not know how to use ECA in a maximum beneficial manner so they do not get proper results. First mistake is they take it daily and periodically, huge mistake, your receptors get used to the stimulants fast so before you know it you have to keep upping the dose to achieve the same levels of energy it produces.

This is how I use it, only on training days and prior to a workout to start off with, I will take 32mg of ephedrine, 200mg caffeine, and 80mg aspirin 20 minutes before a workout and I am on a no carb diet and the energy from the ECA is NO different from that of having eaten tons of carbs, I swear absolutely no different in energy levels at all, still cranking 400 on the bench for reps no problem.

By only using it when I need it I will not tap out my receptors that quickly and at around the 3 week mark I will take 48mg of ephedrine instead of 32 cause by this point I will need more to achieve the same results.

at the 5 week mark I am up 64 mg at one time and 300mg of caffeine, the aspirin always stays at 80mg cause the body does not adapt to aspirin ( at least not noticeably). Now every 4 workouts I up the ephedrine by 8mg and when I get to the 96mg of ephedrine I add another 100 mg of caffeine. Remember up to this point your primary reason to have used ECA is as a stimulant for your workout and of course there are other secondary benefits as well.

At week six I take 8mg of ephedrine when I wake up and 8mg at launch, at week 7 I take 16mg of ephedrine when I wake up and 16mg at launch, at week 8 I take 24mg of ephedrine when I wake up and so on and so on. Now the primary reason for the ECA in the morning and at launch is for fat burning and to suppress appetite, while your pre-workout ECA still remains as a stimulant.



Incorporating clen on a no carb diet

TWO ways to do this, one requires you change your diet every two weeks and the other allows you to keep the same diet, however, your ECA protocol has to be changed.

Protocol one; Ok you are running on zero carbs so ECA is a must, and NO CARB diet has to include a stimulant such as ECA no matter what so since ECA and Clen together is rather hard on your heart, so I propose you take clen for 2 weeks and then ECA for 2 weeks, Clen for 2 weeks and then ECA for 2 weeks etc.

The 2 weeks you are on clen you will not have ECA to fuel your workout so you must take in carb pre-workout, but we are talking 100-150 grams of carbs daily. So your diet will be a no carb diet for 2 weeks (ECA) then a low carb diet for 2 weeks (Clen) etc. Plain and simple.


Protocol two; This one is a little harder so DO NOT do it if you are feeling to much anxiety, BE CAREFUL.

As mentioned earlier in the thread that on a NO CARB diet one must take ECA for 2 different reasons- reason #1 to stimulate your workout and reason #2- to stimulate fat burning and appetite suppressant.

 Once you start taking Clen drop reason #2, I repeat drop taking ECA multiple times per day as a fat burner and an appetite suppressant. Now the reason is your fat burning will come from Clen and it is already doing a good job so ECA for fat burning is NOT necessary, also there are NO synergistic affect anyway. Now you still need to take ECA as a stimulant pre-workout, this is a must to fuel your workout. At this point nothing changes in your diet, still a no carb diet with Clen as your main source of fat-lose tool and ECA as your main source of stimulant to duel your workout.

CONCLUSION; Do not ask me which one is better, it is not anyones call but yours, this could be hard on your system so make sure you dot all i's and cross all your t's before you make a mistake that can hurt you.

Now as far as dosage, again Clen reactions vary from person to person so I do not know what would be to much or to little for anyone, but I will say this though; start at 20mcg and work your way up, add a little every 2 days until you reach what you like. If you do protocol 2 since you are on ECA as well I would not recommend you ever cross 100 mcg daily and that is a lot. Most people stick to 40-60.




ADDRESSING THE CHEAT/CARB DAY[/[/i][/u]
If you are on low carbs no need for this


On a no carb diet most people use the weekly approach for a carb up day. I do not use this approach.

What I do is simple, I pick intervals in body weight throughtout the course of my journey and once every interval is met I have a cheat day.

Here is an example; start the diet at 250lb and I end up at 205lb so I pick all my cheat days in advance like this;

244 lb
239 lb
234 lb
229 lb
225 lb
221 lb
217 lb
214 lb
211 lb
208 lb
205 lb

Every time I hit my next weight goal I have a carb up day. The carb up day is 300-350 grams of carbs and it does not matter if the carbs are from complex sources or simple sources cause you are way depleted anyway, you will burn it all regardless.

Now notice how the first interval is 6lb and the last one is only 3 lb, well that is because at the beginning you lose lots of weight fast and then as you approach less bodyfat your weight lost slow down. weigh yourself on empty stomach first thing in the morning

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH AHAHA!


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: el numero uno on February 02, 2013, 12:10:06 PM
I never claimed there was, read my posts.Thats your lack of comprehension, I can see people being bullied in the schoolyard, does that mean I am a victim.
OTH you really need to try and spend more time formulating your responses or you will get all upset again and start swearing.OK, if thats what you want, lets see how long it is before you start crying to your "friends" to find out who I am and where I live.
Im going to make you lose your mind.
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5161/g60018g6865.gif)

Oh and its just you OTH, I will ignore everyone else for the time being.


The only thing you have contributed to this thread is that simpsons' gif. I've been looking for that gif for a while, thanks, now fuck off.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 12:11:56 PM
As a bodybuilding coach, I find the dearth of basic knowledge on this board absolutely appalling. The basic rule of dieting is that you need carbs if your want to keep your body optimally functioning. There's another free tip for you from Team Harridan! LOL, I can't believe there are actually guys here who think they can do without a coach. EVERYONE needs a coach in bodybuilding. Even the coaches themselves need to be coached by me!


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 02, 2013, 12:26:55 PM
Okey dokey bro. A pic of what exactly?
Of your wonderfully built physique of course,   ??? duh   :-[...


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 12:32:01 PM
Of your wonderfully built physique of course,   ??? duh   :-[...

I didn't say I was a great bodybuilder, I said I was a great coach. ::)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 12:32:45 PM
Of your wonderfully built physique of course,   ??? duh   :-[...

Thanks for the compliment though. Below is what you may expect from your physique should you decide to become my client and join Team Harridan. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwEQk8Knh9E


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: deceiver on February 02, 2013, 12:38:54 PM
OK, "coach", tell us how to drop bodyfat on carbs. Because I sure ass hell KNOW for FACT that there are people out there who just

WILL NOT

drop bodyfat on carbs no matter what.

I know a guy who was prepped by pro-carb coach. He was on gear, doing 2h of cardio daily, everything. He was still fucking fat. Guess what he did.

DROPPED CARBS TO ZERO.

And voila, he was in contest shape within 6 weeks from 12%-ish. He was behind so of course he kept cardio and hammered gear.

What is this fucking magical "voodoo shit" that you would advise this guy to let him drop bodyfat on carbs?

Seriously, some of you mistake GENETICS with KNOWLEDGE. Fact that you managed to get to contest ready condition on little drugs and high carbs DOES NOT MEAN YOU DID SOMETHING RIGHT. No, you just fucking have great genes to drop bodyfat, that's all. I know guy who had more carbs than I eat off season on dirty bulk when he was cutting... Guess what, he didn't do anything special. He's just blessed with this kind of metabolism.

Guys who boast about doing anything on less drugs, higher carbs, less effort generally because they "KNOW SOMETHING" are worst kind of scammers.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 12:48:05 PM
OK, "coach", tell us how to drop bodyfat on carbs. Because I sure ass hell KNOW for FACT that there are people out there who just

WILL NOT

drop bodyfat on carbs no matter what.

I know a guy who was prepped by pro-carb coach. He was on gear, doing 2h of cardio daily, everything. He was still fucking fat. Guess what he did.

DROPPED CARBS TO ZERO.

And voila, he was in contest shape within 6 weeks from 12%-ish. He was behind so of course he kept cardio and hammered gear.

What is this fucking magical "voodoo shit" that you would advise this guy to let him drop bodyfat on carbs?

Seriously, some of you mistake GENETICS with KNOWLEDGE. Fact that you managed to get to contest ready condition on little drugs and high carbs DOES NOT MEAN YOU DID SOMETHING RIGHT. No, you just fucking have great genes to drop bodyfat, that's all. I know guy who had more carbs than I eat off season on dirty bulk when he was cutting... Guess what, he didn't do anything special. He's just blessed with this kind of metabolism.

Guys who boast about doing anything on less drugs, higher carbs, less effort generally because they "KNOW SOMETHING" are worst kind of scammers.

Well, you need to fork out the dough to learn the good shit. I need to make a living like everybody else, you know, so how can I spill the beans like that? I charge 5k for a full contest prep program and 10k for a full year's mentorship and it's worth every penny. I'll give you a free tip though: you need to ingest less calories than you expend in order to lose weight. To ensure that the weight lost is fat and not muscle you have to manipulate your macronutrients. Now here's when I want to see you take out your wallet. ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 12:50:22 PM
OK, "coach", tell us how to drop bodyfat on carbs. Because I sure ass hell KNOW for FACT that there are people out there who just

WILL NOT

drop bodyfat on carbs no matter what.

I know a guy who was prepped by pro-carb coach. He was on gear, doing 2h of cardio daily, everything. He was still fucking fat. Guess what he did.

DROPPED CARBS TO ZERO.

And voila, he was in contest shape within 6 weeks from 12%-ish. He was behind so of course he kept cardio and hammered gear.

What is this fucking magical "voodoo shit" that you would advise this guy to let him drop bodyfat on carbs?

Seriously, some of you mistake GENETICS with KNOWLEDGE. Fact that you managed to get to contest ready condition on little drugs and high carbs DOES NOT MEAN YOU DID SOMETHING RIGHT. No, you just fucking have great genes to drop bodyfat, that's all. I know guy who had more carbs than I eat off season on dirty bulk when he was cutting... Guess what, he didn't do anything special. He's just blessed with this kind of metabolism.

Guys who boast about doing anything on less drugs, higher carbs, less effort generally because they "KNOW SOMETHING" are worst kind of scammers.

The guy you mentioned probably wasn't manipulating his carb intake properly. Or maybe his protein and fat intakes weren't optimal as well. So many things could have gone wrong with him, and the carbs weren't to blame. Carbs are your friend during dieting if you know how to use them properly, not your enemy.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on February 02, 2013, 12:51:38 PM
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Formulate a plan? lol,, hahahaahah is that what you do bro? We post after reading a post, it takes 2 seconds, we don't sit there with a panel of experts to breakdown the contents of someones reply, lmao, you think to much of this..... wow,
Looking at your posts I am surprised you take as long as 2 seconds
Quote
You also think we get together in a secret meeting and talk among each other, lol. Everyone on this thread re just people enjoying getbig, we are not in alliance or a team of any sort, in fact a lot of us agreeing with each other have bumped heads ourselves, so the only common grown we have is that we are all in agreement that dieting on low carbs is very efficient and effective and dieting on no carbs is even more efficient, that's it, it ain't no GETBIG conspiracy to go after UK-liar-jeffros, it just so happens that getbiggers all think alike and that is to storm on the shit-talkers like yourself, that's it.
Who made you spokesperson for the forum?
For someone who thinks everyone is an individual you use the word "we" quite a lot.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on February 02, 2013, 12:53:16 PM
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you need to ingest less calories than you expend in order to lose weight.
Thats ludicrous Jon, how on earth did you come up with that?   ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 12:56:12 PM
Thats ludicrous Jon, how on earth did you come up with that?   ;D

Hehehe, these cheapos and freeloaders on Getbig had better PAY IN COLD HARD CASH if they want the secrets. And they had better pay upfront too. Otherwise they can piss off from before Team Harridan.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 02, 2013, 01:01:32 PM
Looking at your posts I am surprised you take as long as 2 secondsWho made you spokesperson for the forum?
For someone who thinks everyone is an individual you use the word "we" quite a lot.
''we'' means people of this thread and who made me spokes person, well, I suppose me being the OP has nothing to do with it

Well, you need to fork out the dough to learn the good shit. I need to make a living like everybody else, you know, so how can I spill the beans like that? I charge 5k for a full contest prep program and 10k for a full year's mentorship and it's worth every penny. I'll give you a free tip though: you need to ingest less calories than you expend in order to lose weight. To ensure that the weight lost is fat and not muscle you have to manipulate your macronutrients. Now here's when I want to see you take out your wallet. ;D
this is why this thread was started so people are aware of scammers  like you that steal peoples money charge people money. Although you are only trolling but there really are people charging 5000 dollars for a couple meal plans, so sad


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on February 02, 2013, 01:02:19 PM
Take loads of gear, eat meat and take amphetamine.

This bodybuilding is easy Jon.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 01:05:11 PM
Take loads of gear, eat meat and take amphetamine.

This bodybuilding is easy Jon.

Yes, in a sense, but for naturals it's harder if you want to make steroid-like gains without the steroids.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on February 02, 2013, 01:07:13 PM
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''we'' means people of this thread and who made me spokes person, well, I suppose me being the OP has nothing to do with it

You really are so far up your own arse aren't you, "the people made me spokesperson", fuckin lol
You being the OP is just you being the OP, it doesn't give you the right to be in charge, and for you to think that just verifies how deluded you are.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 01:11:11 PM
''we'' means people of this thread and who made me spokes person, well, I suppose me being the OP has nothing to do with it
this is why this thread was started so people are aware of scammers  like you that steal peoples money charge people money. Although you are only trolling but there really are people charging 5000 dollars for a couple meal plans, so sad

I'm not trolling pal. I really can and do deliver on what I promise. The fact that you find my ability hard to believe shows you just how incredible a coach I am. And it's not scamming because I have to work extensively with the athlete over an extended period. My client doesn't just receive a couple of meal plans, he gets his diet adjusted regularly to fit in with his progress, not to mention his training, cardio, supplements, sleep and everything basically that has to do with his lifestyle. And since I forbid drug use my client saves a ton of cash too plus he doesn't need to spend a ton on supplements as I recommend quality whole food.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 02, 2013, 01:18:05 PM
I'm not trolling pal. I really can and do deliver on what I promise. The fact that you find my ability hard to believe shows you just how incredible a coach I am. And it's not scamming because I have to work extensively with the athlete over an extended period. My client doesn't just receive a couple of meal plans, he gets his diet adjusted regularly to fit in with his progress. And since I forbid drug use my client saves a ton of cash too plus he doesn't need to spend a ton on supplements as I recommend quality whole food.
I see, well, you are in the wrong thread pal, people following this thread are getting shredded without taking a penny out of their pockets.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 01:23:20 PM
I see, well, you are in the wrong thread pal, people following this thread are getting shredded without taking a penny out of their pockets.

But I fear a ketogenic diet compromises one's health. Read the articles I posted. The body works best when fuelled by quality carbs. Getbiggers should be all aflame with curiosity at the very least to learn the secrets of healthy and effective pre-contest dieting.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/128113-dangers-ketogenic-diets/

http://www.sideroad.com/Weight_Loss/low-carb-diet-danger.html


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 02, 2013, 01:36:14 PM
But I fear a ketogenic diet compromises one's health. Read the articles I posted. The body works best when fuelled by quality carbs.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/128113-dangers-ketogenic-diets/

http://www.sideroad.com/Weight_Loss/low-carb-diet-danger.html
Oh so you are are a coward? I see, boo-fucken-hoo, let me guess you don't drive on the highway cause it's to dangerous, you don't go out past 10 pm cause you might get robed, you live in a single story house cause you are scared you might fall down the stairs.

You out to guard against being too conservative maybe you won't live such a boring life. I mean now I heard it all, although Jeffros got one up on you, see, he won't even drive a car if he doesn't eat a plate rice or potatoes before he steps outside of his house  :'( :-\


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 01:43:25 PM
Oh so you are are a coward? I see, boo-fucken-hoo, let me guess you don't drive on the highway cause it's to dangerous, you don't go out past 10 pm cause you might get robed, you live in a single story house cause you are scared you might fall down the stairs.

You out to guard against being too conservative maybe you won't live such a boring life. I mean now I heard it all, although Jeffros got one up on you, see, he won't even drive a car if he doesn't eat a plate rice or potatoes before he steps outside of his house  :'( :-\

It's not that I'm a coward. It's just that I have concern for others and value their God-given health. I don't want to see you go on radical diets and destroy your own body. Learn the right way to diet by signing up with Team Harridan today! Your friendly coach is just a PM away.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Krankenstein on February 02, 2013, 02:01:55 PM
Okey dokey bro. A pic of what exactly?

I just want to see who I would be coached by.  So, hold up a sign that says "Coach Harridan Get Big" so we see the face (literally) of someone so knowledgeable and sure of themselves.  In addition, you should be able to provide references for your clients.  Name 2 - 3 top level bodybuilders/athletes that you have worked with that will verify how great you are.

Otherwise, GFY gimmick.  We all know you won't do it.  I just had some free time and felt like typing the above.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 02:10:01 PM
I just want to see who I would be coached by.  So, hold up a sign that says "Coach Harridan Get Big" so we see the face (literally) of someone so knowledgeable and sure of themselves.  In addition, you should be able to provide references for your clients.  Name 2 - 3 top level bodybuilders/athletes that you have worked with that will verify how great you are.

Otherwise, GFY gimmick.  We all know you won't do it.  I just had some free time and felt like typing the above.

You fuckin' gimmick, how dare you challenge the great Team Harridan? I don't answer to unreasonable and idiotic demands made by spoilt brats like yourself. If you want to see me, then sign with my team. Otherwise fuck off, TROLL.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 02, 2013, 03:13:51 PM
You fuckin' gimmick, how dare you challenge the great Team Harridan? I don't answer to unreasonable and idiotic demands made by spoilt brats like yourself. If you want to see me, then sign with my team. Otherwise fuck off, TROLL.
Troll away loser ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 03:26:14 PM
Troll away loser ;)

Oh, go eat shit and wallow in piss, you fuckin' pinhead. Dog turd has good vitamins for you bro, hehehe, that's a freebie just for you. You clueless sack of shit, you should be shot for irresponsibly spreading ineffective and downright dangerous diet advice here. What sort of wanker callously harms others in this fashion? If I were you I would delete this whole fuckin' thread and get your BS information away from naive board members. You fuckin' troll, you rely on drugs too. What kind of loser needs to cheat in order to get anywhere? If you need to cheat in this game then you have no balls. Hahahahaha, look at you, you have no bloody balls, you cur! You've lost your fuckin' marbles mate! You're a woman now. Should I offer you my lady's rates then? You entering Figure or Bikini now eh, Miss Clodpate? ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 02, 2013, 03:39:51 PM
wow, naive? you are the most naive, thinking things can be done without juice at the highest levels or even the intermediate levels. You brother need a reality check, your little make believe world simply does not exists and yes I know it breaks your heart but brother the truth is the truth, the world ain't ''sunshine and rainbows''

You think Mike Mentzer your hero was not juiced to the gills? Sorry about your luck you piece of shit but welcome to the world.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Krankenstein on February 02, 2013, 03:42:18 PM
You fuckin' gimmick, how dare you challenge the great Team Harridan? I don't answer to unreasonable and idiotic demands made by spoilt brats like yourself. If you want to see me, then sign with my team. Otherwise fuck off, TROLL.

HA HA....gimmick?  me?  Yeah, right.  You lectured me once on grammar, yet you do not know the correct spelling of "spoiled".  If I want to see what you look like then sign up?  LMAO.   Here's one.  If you want to see how good this $1000 suit feels on you, pay for it first.  You do not get to try it on or even see it.

Wow.  You certainly are stretching it quite a bit Johnny turd.

Troll/Gimmick on there fuck stick.   ::)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 03:57:50 PM
wow, naive? you are the most naive, thinking things can be done without juice at the highest levels or even the intermediate levels. You brother need a reality check, your little make believe world simply does not exists and yes I know it breaks your heart but brother the truth is the truth, the world ain't ''sunshine and rainbows''

You think Mike Mentzer your hero was not juiced to the gills? Sorry about your luck you piece of shit but welcome to the world.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Of course Mike was juiced to the gills but he was still a great bodybuilder unlike you, you deluded loser. Now it's possible with the right training and nutrition to build a tremendous physique, although that might not get you too far in today's drug-saturated bodybuilding scene. Remember though that Robby reached the top as a natural (he only juiced relatively late in the game) Just because many are doing it doesn't give you a licence to lose your balls and cheat like a girl. Why is it that my athletes don't feel the need to cheat with drugs like you do? Simple. They aren't girly men like you! Furthermore you're shamelessly and irresponsibly disseminating ill advice that can only harm the fellows here. I already proved that ketogenic diets were dangerous and in response you fed me some BS. Sable curs like you should be shot at the first opportunity.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 02, 2013, 04:01:56 PM
Robby reached the top as a natural

Did he really? wow, do you believe in Santa too? You fucken naive piece of dog shit.  :o :o :o :o


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: deceiver on February 02, 2013, 04:03:06 PM
He's a troll, ignore him. He was fun at first, now he's boring and irritating.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 04:08:27 PM
HA HA....gimmick?  me?  Yeah, right.  You lectured me once on grammar, yet you do not know the correct spelling of "spoiled".  If I want to see what you look like then sign up?  LMAO.   Here's one.  If you want to see how good this $1000 suit feels on you, pay for it first.  You do not get to try it on or even see it.

Wow.  You certainly are stretching it quite a bit Johnny turd.

Troll/Gimmick on there fuck stick.   ::)

'Spoilt' is correct too, you spineless sap. Thanks as well for the kind confirmation above that you're a gimmick. Since you want to see me so much, here's me having a big protein meal, you impertinent whipster.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 04:09:28 PM
He's a troll, ignore him. He was fun at first, now he's boring and irritating.

No, I'm not, you dunce. I'm a bona fide coach trying to teach some lightweights the error of their ways. Try me out and I'll take you to heights of achievement. Team Harridan athletes all soar on the wings of eagles. :)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 04:15:04 PM
Robby reached the top as a natural

Did he really? wow, do you believe in Santa too? You fucken naive piece of dog shit.  :o :o :o :o

Of course he did. He said so. Hey, just because you're a sad loser who can get nowhere without the sauce doesn't equate to everyone being as pathetic as you, especially not someone like Robby blessed with elite genetics. Even Santa would wipe the floor with you all natural, I bet. You're just a fuckin' hater who relies on drugs because you have no balls, you sackless piece of shit. Hahahahahaha, you're no more than a woman, A WOMAN, you dog turd! :o


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: deceiver on February 02, 2013, 04:27:52 PM
No, I'm not, you dunce. I'm a bona fide coach trying to teach some lightweights the error of their ways. Try me out and I'll take you to heights of achievement.

Yeah, yeah. You had your minute. Now get lost. Nobody's reading your walls of text.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 04:38:51 PM
Yeah, yeah. You had your minute. Now get lost. Nobody's reading your walls of text.

Says you, you sorry twink. And fuck you too, shithead, for foolishly disregarding my kind coaching offer. Don't you know my time will NEVER expire? You really should read my 'walls of text' because I went to MIT unlike the asses here. ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: njflex on February 02, 2013, 04:50:57 PM
Says you, you sorry twink. And fuck you too, shithead, for foolishly disregarding my kind coaching offer. Don't you know my time will NEVER expire? You really should read my 'walls of text' because I went to MIT unlike the asses here. ;)
holy moe howard haircut from the 3 stooges...


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 04:55:53 PM
holy moe howard haircut from the 3 stooges...

LOL.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: njflex on February 02, 2013, 04:58:03 PM
LOL.
that's his great grandson 'jap howard',,,


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Hulkotron on February 02, 2013, 05:12:50 PM
I've decided I don't like John Harridan.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Krankenstein on February 02, 2013, 05:15:13 PM
'Spoilt' is correct too, you spineless sap. Thanks as well for the kind confirmation above that you're a gimmick. Since you want to see me so much, here's me having a big protein meal, you impertinent whipster.

No dipshit, you should have used the word "spoiled".   Spoilt is the past tense of 'spoil'.

*sigh*  Feeding the gimmick.  Jeezus


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 02, 2013, 05:16:29 PM
I've decided I don't like John Harridan.
Good call, he is annoying, his gimmick is awful, like the worse yet and he is ten seconds away from a time out for impersonating that poor chubby Asian dude from MIT


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Krankenstein on February 02, 2013, 05:16:47 PM
holy moe howard haircut from the 3 stooges...

Holy moobs is more like it.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 05:30:15 PM
Holy moobs is more like it.

 >:(


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 05:35:39 PM
No dipshit, you should have used the word "spoiled".   Spoilt is the past tense of 'spoil'.

*sigh*  Feeding the gimmick.  Jeezus

'Jeezus' is not a gimmick, asshole, but you most certainly are one, you lousy troll! And of course 'spoilt' is the past tense; that's why I'm correct! I was speaking of something having been spoilt and that was hence spoilt, you arrant blockhead.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 06:16:35 PM
Here's a free gift for Getbiggers from Team Harridan. This includes a precontest diet (yes, with carbs) and workout routine. 8)

http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/articles/6403-Gustavo-Badell.pdf


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: B_B_C on February 02, 2013, 06:20:05 PM
Says you, you sorry twink. And fuck you too, shithead, for foolishly disregarding my kind coaching offer. Don't you know my time will NEVER expire? You really should read my 'walls of text' because I went to MIT unlike the asses here. ;)

M ingy I nternet T urd


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: MB_722 on February 02, 2013, 06:20:30 PM
thats not Sammo Hung
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=454675.0;attach=503506;image)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6Rm-vr48HM


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: dr.chimps on February 02, 2013, 06:22:34 PM
Harridan: a scolding old woman; nag.     ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 06:24:46 PM
M ingy I nternet T urd

You know what the initials stand for, you asswipe.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 06:26:31 PM
Harridan: a scolding old woman; nag.     ;)

I'll sit on you and crush the life out of you within 10 seconds flat, Mr Chimpanzee.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Krankenstein on February 02, 2013, 06:26:39 PM
'Jeezus' is not a gimmick, asshole, but you most certainly are one, you lousy troll! And of course 'spoilt' is the past tense; that's why I'm correct! I was speaking of something having been spoilt and that was hence spoilt, you arrant blockhead.

No fuckwit, he is not a gimmick.  Perhaps you need to brush up on your emphatic interjection's.  Certainly someone from MIT would know this.  Also, my usage is correct in that I am using the american english version of "spoiled".  You are being quite pedantic here Johnathan.  

You are melting in this thread...worse than UrinalJeff.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: B_B_C on February 02, 2013, 06:27:15 PM
Harridan: a scolding old woman; nag.     ;)
which one


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: dr.chimps on February 02, 2013, 06:28:56 PM
I'll sit on you and crush the life out of you within 10 seconds flat, Mr Chimpanzee.
Scolding old woman, and a fetishist. Check.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: B_B_C on February 02, 2013, 06:31:55 PM
Says you, you sorry twink. And fuck you too, shithead, for foolishly disregarding my kind coaching offer. Don't you know my time will NEVER expire? You really should read my 'walls of text' because I went to MIT unlike the asses here. ;)

seems per you Mingy Internet Turd photo the only thing bigger than your mouth is your belly


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 02, 2013, 06:37:41 PM
No fuckwit, he is not a gimmick.  Perhaps you need to brush up on your emphatic interjection's.  Certainly someone from MIT would know this.  Also, my usage is correct in that I am using the american english version of "spoiled".  You are being quite pedantic here Johnathan.  

You are melting in this thread...worse than UrinalJeff.
I don't know about that one, our resident liar-jeffros called us bullies.  :D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 06:42:46 PM
seems per you Mingy Internet Turd photo the only thing bigger than your mouth is your belly

Why you mangy cur, I was bulking! What else do you expect? And don't call me a turd, you turd.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 06:43:44 PM
Good call, he is annoying, his gimmick is awful, like the worse yet and he is ten seconds away from a time out for impersonating that poor chubby Asian dude from MIT

You're not very smart, are you? I'm not from MIT. I was only touring the place. And I'm white not Asian. My dad's Canadian and my mom's Chinese. And if I'm annoying then what are you, Mr BS?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 06:50:41 PM
No fuckwit, he is not a gimmick.  Perhaps you need to brush up on your emphatic interjection's.  Certainly someone from MIT would know this.  Also, my usage is correct in that I am using the american english version of "spoiled".  You are being quite pedantic here Johnathan.  

You are melting in this thread...worse than UrinalJeff.

Then why did you say He was, dipshit? I was only visiting MIT, you lunkhead; I never said I studied there. It's one of the elite universities and so getting in there is pretty hard, at the barest of minimums. I don't know what fuckin' English you use but English is still English. And I'm not Jonathan nor am I a pedant. You're right somewhat about that last bit though; it was pretty hot in here and I was sweating/melting quite a bit so I turned the air-conditioner on, you fat c o o n.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 06:51:41 PM
Scolding old woman, and a fetishist. Check.

Hey, you're the one who seems to have a fetish for scolding old women, Mr Chimpanzee. ::)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: B_B_C on February 02, 2013, 06:54:25 PM
I was bulking! What else do you expect?

fat, lard , chubby, bulky, obese, rotundant,


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 06:57:52 PM
fat, lard , chubby, bulky, obese, rotundant,

I've heard all that bunkum before, dickhead. All except for the last one. There's no such word, 'Mr Smart'. ::)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Krankenstein on February 02, 2013, 06:57:56 PM
Then why did you say He was, dipshit? I was only visiting MIT, you lunkhead; I never said I studied there. It's one of the elite universities and so getting in there is pretty hard, at the barest of minimums. I don't know what fuckin' English you use but English is still English. And I'm not Jonathan nor am I a pedant. You're right somewhat about that last bit though; it was pretty hot in here and I was sweating/melting quite a bit so I turned the air-conditioner on, you fat c o o n.

Says you, you sorry twink. And fuck you too, shithead, for foolishly disregarding my kind coaching offer. Don't you know my time will NEVER expire? You really should read my 'walls of text' because I went to MIT unlike the asses here. ;)

Let me guess, you are going to argue the semantics of how you phrased it.  

Carry on, gimmick.



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Krankenstein on February 02, 2013, 06:58:48 PM
I'll sit on you and crush the life out of you within 10 seconds flat, Mr Chimpanzee.

(http://www.troll.me/images/butthurt-dweller/im-pretty-sure-you-sir-are-mad.jpg)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: B_B_C on February 02, 2013, 06:59:57 PM
dipshit.. is pretty hard.. at the barest  fuckin' And I'm...Jonathan  a pedantic fat c o o n.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 07:00:09 PM
Let me guess, you are going to argue the semantics of how you phrased it.  

Carry on, gimmick.



Yeah, I did go to MIT (for a visit), you jackass. As I said I never said I STUDIED there!


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: B_B_C on February 02, 2013, 07:01:16 PM
I've heard all that bunkum before, dickhead. All except for the last one. There's no such word, 'Mr Smart'. ::)

derived from rotunda


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 07:01:55 PM


Altering my post now eh, kid? How very novel and mature of you. ::)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Krankenstein on February 02, 2013, 07:02:16 PM
Yeah, I did go to MIT (for a visit), you jackass. As I said I never said I STUDIED there!

Bingo.  Boy, I called that one.  HA HA.

You're trying to hard.  Seriously.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: B_B_C on February 02, 2013, 07:02:43 PM
Yeah, I did go to MIT (for a visit), you jackass. As I said I never said I STUDIED there!
and its unlikley you studded anywhere


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 07:03:00 PM
derived from rotunda

'Rotunda' is only for architecture.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: B_B_C on February 02, 2013, 07:04:52 PM
Altering my post now eh, kid? How very novel and mature of you. ::)

think is it is you whu are setting the benchmark for maturity athough going by your photo you are more ripe than mature


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: B_B_C on February 02, 2013, 07:06:23 PM
'Rotunda' is only for architecture.

it is used more widely (opps) than that


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 07:06:39 PM
and its unlikley you studded anywhere

LOL, wrong again, you simpleton. I studied Strategic Management at the Schulich School of Business here in Toronto.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 07:07:18 PM
think is it is you whu are setting the benchmark for maturity athough going by your photo you are more ripe than mature

Thanks for the compliments. Maturity and ripeness are 2 of my strong suits as a bodybuilder.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: B_B_C on February 02, 2013, 07:08:56 PM
LOL, wrong again, you simpleton. I studied Strategic Management at the Schulich School of Business here in Toronto.

my point exactly, you are not stud material


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 07:09:46 PM
Bingo.  Boy, I called that one.  HA HA.

You're trying to hard.  Seriously.

You didn't call shit, you gimmick. Keep on trolling because that's what you do. And shit, my ass is leaking pus.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 07:10:17 PM
my point exactly, you are not stud material

Why's that? You think sweet Pauline would like a big bear like me?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: B_B_C on February 02, 2013, 07:22:23 PM
Why's that?

Sweatpee, if you have to ask, ya aint got it no matter how many times you rumble that rotundant belly


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 07:25:15 PM
Sweatpee, if you have to ask, ya aint got it no matter how many times you rumble that rotundant belly

Belly? Are you kidding me? It may be time to cut a little but I'm still not satisfied with my bulk.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: B_B_C on February 02, 2013, 07:34:46 PM
Why's that? You think sweet Pauline would like a big bear like me?

she has chained her pussy away from you


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 07:35:55 PM
lol, need carbs to optimally functioning.oh really.

functioning for what purpose?

hamdullah aykutlug, known as the one who first had ripped glutes , 6 times world amateur champ, never had an coach.

you litle clown

The body's optimal fuel is carbs, you Eurotrash. Go read the 2 articles I posted earlier. And the great Hamdullah Aykutlu will kick your cheesy ass to high heaven for daring to mention his name (even while you kiss his striated butt)!


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 07:38:59 PM
she has chained her pussy away from you

Hehe, she would swoon at the mere sight of me, I bet. I love me some Swedish chick(en)! :D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: B_B_C on February 02, 2013, 07:39:21 PM
And the great Hamdullah Aykutlu will kick your cheesy ass to high heaven for daring to mention his name (even while you kiss his striated butt)!

we do not need to read about your erotic wet dreams


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 02, 2013, 07:41:20 PM
The body's optimal fuel is carbs, you Eurotrash. Go read the 2 articles I posted earlier. And the great Hamdullah Aykutlu will kick your cheesy ass to high heaven for daring to mention his name (even while you kiss his striated butt)!
Funny, I lift more and have better work outs on NO carbs.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: flinstones1 on February 02, 2013, 07:51:06 PM
Funny, I lift more and have better work outs on NO carbs.

same.....i feel so much healthier so much steady energy on a low carb diet. Carbs make me sleepy as fuck


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 07:51:46 PM
Funny, I lift more and have better work outs on NO carbs.

That's what you think but I bet if you switch to quality carbs your lifts will be even better.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 07:53:58 PM
same.....i feel so much healthier so much steady energy on a low carb diet. Carbs make me sleepy as fuck

Carbs don't that to you provided you take the right kind of carbs; rather you feel 'sleepy as fuck' probably because you're a fat ass, you dumbass. ::)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 08:07:15 PM
lol if that slot eyed fatso is indeed john harridan, then someone needs to call some mental emergency, i think one client is "at large"

You racist bastard, I was bulking! Now I'm going to tear your small head off, you dirty whoreson! >:(


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 02, 2013, 08:12:48 PM
same.....i feel so much healthier so much steady energy on a low carb diet. Carbs make me sleepy as fuck
Exactly, carbs make you sluggish

That's what you think but I bet if you switch to quality carbs your lifts will be even better.
Ya cause I have been lifting for 18 years and I have never tried that  ::)    STUPID  :-[

lol if that slot eyed fatso is indeed john harridan, then someone needs to call some mental emergency, i think one client is "at large"
That's not him, he does not sound Asian, some of the words he uses an Asian would never, example- like calling someone a wanker, he is pure white guy.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 08:17:16 PM
Exactly, carbs make you sluggish
Ya cause I have been lifting for 18 years and I have never tried that  ::)    STUPID  :-[
That's not him, he does not sound Asian, some of the words he uses an Asian would never, example- like calling someone a wanker, he is pure white guy.

I told you, I'm not Asian! I'm white/Caucasian. My dad's white (Canadian) and my mom's Malaysian (Chinese). You need to take carbs under my supervision to see better results but you need to pay a small fee for the service. So are you game for a try? You never know what you can learn if you only open your mind to new perspectives and possibilities.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: MB_722 on February 02, 2013, 08:18:23 PM
I told you, I'm not Asian! I'm white/Caucasian. My dad's white (Canadian) and my mom's Malaysian (Chinese). You need to take carbs under my supervision to see better results but you need to pay a small fee for the service. So are you game for a try? You never know what you can learn if you open your mind to new perspectives and possibilities.

more Chins than Chinese phone book.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 08:18:55 PM
more Chins than Chinese phone book.

How original. ::)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 02, 2013, 08:21:03 PM
I told you, I'm not Asian! I'm white/Caucasian. My dad's white (Canadian) and my mom's Malaysian (Chinese). You need to take carbs under my supervision to see better results but you need to pay a small fee for the service. So are you game for a try? You never know what you can learn if you only open your mind to new perspectives and possibilities.
If your Mom is Asian then that would make you Asian ding dong, are you embarrassed to call yourself Asian, are you racist? what's wrong with Asian people bro.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 08:25:06 PM
hey my head is quite huge,man.

so you arent really slot eyed, it was just bc your head grew to a watermelon while bulking and the water retention almost made your eyes close,right?

as for carbs for best power..lol.i made my maximum lifts on low carbs.

however loading up and fat and carbs, yeah, thatll make one strong for a day.and obese in the long run.



so your dad married a mailorder bride?

 :D

Of course carbs give you your best power, off carbs I'm weak and hungry. I need potatoes and brown rice. And I must have been squinting in the pic which explains it. My dad didn't do any nonsense like what you said. He went down to Malaysia on a work assignment and met my mom there in the early '80s.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 08:27:22 PM
If your Mom is Asian then that would make you Asian ding dong, are you embarrassed to call yourself Asian, are you racist? what's wrong with Asian people bro.

I already said I'm not fuckin' Asian (no racism here). My dad's white which makes me white like him, understand? You adopt your father's ethnicity which is why I don't have a Chinese name. Why must I explain everything to you? ::)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 02, 2013, 08:32:35 PM
I already said I'm not fuckin' Asian (no racism here). My dad's white which makes me white like him, understand? You adopt your father's ethnicity which is why I don't have a Chinese name. Why must I explain everything to you? ::)
If your mom is from Malaysia then that makes you half Asaian, wow you are dumb. Must I explain everything to you  ???


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 08:39:43 PM
thats the official storyline they told you.

have you watched "full metal jacket"?

i think the thing went like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12tce-THLUE

from 40 seconds onward

Come on man, it's too late for bullshit, you grimy blackguard. Not every Asian woman is a whore like your mum. ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 08:40:54 PM
If your mom is from Malaysia then that makes you half Asaian, wow you are dumb. Must I explain everything to you  ???

Half Asian, not Asian. I'm a white man officially, you dumbbell. You can't even spell 'Asian' properly. Were you raised in a sewer?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 08:42:30 PM
we do not need to read about your erotic wet dreams

I meant that he was an asskisser, you ignorant homo. ::)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: MB_722 on February 02, 2013, 08:43:10 PM
How original. ::)

about as original as testosterone depleted asian tough guy


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 08:44:28 PM
about as original as testosterone depleted asian tough guy

I take Ronnie's Testogen XR to keep my testosterone levels high as hell.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 02, 2013, 08:51:51 PM
Half Asian, not Asian. I'm a white man officially, you dumbbell. You can't even spell 'Asian' properly. Were you raised in a sewer?
No, I am watching a movie, have 2 laptops opened, one doing my paper work for my roofing biz and 2nd playing risk on line and have my computer opened to getbig all at the same time so who gives a fuck about a typo. So you admit your Asian, good, only took 5 posts.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 08:53:16 PM
No, I am watching a movie, have 2 laptops opened, one doing my paper work for my roofing biz and 2nd playing risk on line and have my computer opened to getbig all at the same time so who gives a fuck about a typo. So you admit your Asian, good, only took 5 posts.

A 'typo'? You butchered the whole word! And I didn't admit I was Asian, only HALF Asian. I'm white not Asian.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: njflex on February 02, 2013, 08:54:00 PM
confucious say's this one is a little mixed up,,,


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 02, 2013, 08:55:54 PM
A 'typo'? You butchered the whole word! And I didn't admit I was Asian, only HALF Asian. I'm white not Asian.
LOL, if you look 2 posts above you will see that I spelled it properly thus proving it was a typo  ;)

Anyhow why are you ashamed of being Asian, not very nice of you.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 09:00:21 PM
LOL, if you look 2 posts above you will see that I spelled it properly thus proving it was a typo  ;)

Anyhow why are you ashamed of being Asian, not very nice of you.

You only spelt it correctly because you were copying my post. And I'm not ashamed of being half Asian; for the umptieth time I'm WHITE not Asian!


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 02, 2013, 09:03:56 PM
lol, jon harridan will not only run into a timeout, i think he might be the first in history here to get his posts deleted.
Fuck though I have to admit, this guy is entertaining the hell out of me, I think he has been drinking all day. LMAO tomorrow he will wake up in time out and not remember anything and be like "wtf"  ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: njflex on February 02, 2013, 09:08:25 PM
Fuck though I have to admit, this guy is entertaining the hell out of me, I think he has been drinking all day. LMAO tomorrow he will wake up in time out and not remember anything and be like "wtf"  ;D
he'll just comeback with new account 'johnny malaysia'


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 09:10:32 PM
lol, jon harridan will not only run into a timeout, i think he might be the first in history here to get his posts deleted.

A timeout? This coming from a bloody satyr who posted a shot of a woman's privates? That's PROHIBITED on this board, I'm sure you know. I can easily report you to Ron for that.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 09:12:01 PM
he'll just comeback with new account 'johnny malaysia'

'Johnny Canada', you mean; I'm Canadian not Malaysian. I'm aiming to win the IFBB Mr Canada like the legendary Vince Basile!


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: njflex on February 02, 2013, 09:14:03 PM
'Johnny Canada', you mean; I'm Canadian not Malaysian. I'm aiming to win the IFBB Mr Canada like the legendary Vince Basile!
i have to say'johnny canada'the malasyian sensation vince looks good there on 10 mg of dboll ,,,


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 02, 2013, 09:15:41 PM
A timeout? This coming from a bloody satyr who posted a shot of a woman's privates? That's PROHIBITED on this board, I'm sure you know. I can easily report you to Ron for that.
Go ahead, he will get nothing but a warning, in fact there are a few strikes before time out, you on the other hand have to prove that you are the guy in that pic because if we prove you are not, automatic time out for you, Ron does NOT tolerate impersonation, in fact it is a criminal offence you are committing pretending to be that guy, he can have you charged for in personating him Not even funny or cool bro, you are walking on eggs shell here bro.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 09:19:08 PM
i have to say'johnny canada'the malasyian sensation vince looks good there on 10 mg of dboll ,,,

Reminiscent of no less than the immortal Steve Reeves!


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 09:21:56 PM
Go ahead, he will get nothing but a warning, in fact there are a few strikes before time out, you on the other hand have to prove that you are the guy in that pic because if we prove you are not, automatic time out for you, Ron does NOT tolerate impersonation, in fact it is a criminal offence you are committing pretending to be that guy, he can have you charged for in personating him Not even funny or cool bro, you are walking on eggs shell here bro.

I don't have to prove shit. I just posted a few pics of myself and you come off threatening me? Of course I'm me; who else would I be? ::)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 02, 2013, 09:23:00 PM
I don't have to prove shit. I just posted a few pics of myself and you come off threatening me? Of course I'm me; who else would I be? ::)
That is not you and easy to prove it is not and then say bye bye getbig.   :-*


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 09:26:26 PM
That is not you and easy to prove it is not and then say bye bye getbig.   :-*

Prove that I am not me then, go ahead and try. Remember, you actually thought that I was from MIT, genius. LOL, if anything I wager your pics are entirely fake and you're just a little boy typing from his mom's basement. Good decoy bro. ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Mattyh7688 on February 02, 2013, 09:27:17 PM
This is a fun thread. There is so much to this thread.. but Onetime is pretty spot on.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 09:47:51 PM
This is a fun thread. There is so much to this thread.. but Onetime is pretty spot on.

As spot on as the doping tests Lance Armstrong took that all came back negative.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 02, 2013, 11:14:51 PM
Team Harridan here with an exclusive coup. Will Brink's Bodybuilding Revealed is now FREE for all Getbiggers to savour and enjoy! :P

http://www.brinkzone.com/uploads/bbrexample.pdf


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on February 03, 2013, 04:10:09 AM
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Funny, I lift more and have better work outs on NO carbs.
Its because you are whizzing your tits off on stimulant drugs.

How do you perform when you don't take the stims?

And be careful you don't blow a hole in your foot when you reply, I know how impulsive you can be.  ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: B_B_C on February 03, 2013, 05:45:38 AM
You only spelt it correctly because you were copying my post. And I'm not ashamed of being half Asian; for the umptieth time I'm WHITE not Asian!

So you are a:
 White ( ashamed of his Malayan maternal heritage)
 bodybuilding ( double chinned big bellied rotundant
 self proclaimed man of God (screams abuse and hate on those who dis agree with him here)
abhors oral sex (is either a virgin or afaid and ashamed of his own desires)
and studed strategic mamagement (but hasnt a clue about getting on with people)

are you happy ?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 03, 2013, 02:06:09 PM
Its because you are whizzing your tits off on stimulant drugs.

How do you perform when you don't take the stims?

And be careful you don't blow a hole in your foot when you reply, I know how impulsive you can be.  ;)
True, not denying that at all, however the stims are not as effective with carbs since the carbs make me sleepy so regardless of the reason, my position remains the same my workouts are way better on NO carbs and that's the bottom line.

Valid point gets a valid reply. Trolling like a bitch gets an ownage  ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: a_ahmed on February 03, 2013, 02:09:41 PM
some seriously envious/jelly peeps in this thread, quite entertaining.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on February 03, 2013, 02:34:47 PM
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True, not denying that at all, however the stims are not as effective with carbs since the carbs make me sleepy so regardless of the reason, my position remains the same my workouts are way better on NO carbs and that's the bottom line.

Valid point gets a valid reply. Trolling like a bitch gets an ownage
So is this diet OK for someone who doesn't wish to take excessive amounts of stimulants and would like to retain a normal life and interact with other people without coming across as a jittering drug addict?

Try again, are your workouts better/worse/same without the stims?
Im glad you are taking a bit more time posting your responses, however try and actually answer the question asked.
"Ownage" hahahah...you haven't got it in you.
Ive got your number mate, and you know it.   ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 03, 2013, 02:38:04 PM
True, not denying that at all, however the stims are not as effective with carbs since the carbs make me sleepy so regardless of the reason, my position remains the same my workouts are way better on NO carbs and that's the bottom line.

Valid point gets a valid reply. Trolling like a bitch gets an ownage  ;)

How the fuck can good quality low GI carbs with a low glycemic load make you feel sleepy? On the contrary you should be receiving a steady stream of energy.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Conker on February 03, 2013, 03:02:27 PM
So is this diet OK for someone who doesn't wish to take excessive amounts of stimulants and would like to retain a normal life and interact with other people without coming across as a jittering drug addict?

Try again, are your workouts better/worse/same without the stims?
Im glad you are taking a bit more time posting your responses, however try and actually answer the question asked.
"Ownage" hahahah...you haven't got it in you.
Ive got your number mate, and you know it.   ;)


Jeff I think you are actually a bit retarded , you have been given the links to studies published in scientific journals . One that showed that a group of elite gymnasts showed no strength loss whilst on keto/low carb diets and greater fat loss than on a conventional 'balanced' diet.

And another study on regular people that showed the participants were more likely to stick to a low carb/keto diet than they were to a low fat diet, and that they showed greater fat loss on the low carb diet and even had better lipid profiles!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3411406/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15148063


What exactly have you put forward to show your way of dieting is better than the low carb approach...?

Oh yeh some mumbo jumbo about you couldn't drive your car or hold down a normal job while on low carb diet...

Your argument here has been extremely compelling ::)



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on February 03, 2013, 03:06:49 PM
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Jeff I think you are actually a bit retarded , you have been given the links to studies published in scientific journals . One that showed that a group of elite gymnasts showed no strength loss whilst on keto/low carb diets and greater fat loss than on a conventional 'balanced' diet.

And another study on regular people that showed the participants were more likely to stick to a low carb/keto diet than they were to a low fat diet, and that they showed greater fat loss on the low carb diet and even better lipid profiles!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3411406/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15148063


What exactly have you put forward to show your way of dieting is better than the low carb approach...?

Oh yeh some mumbo jumbo about you couldn't drive your car or hold down a normal job while on low carb diet...

Your argument here has been extremely compelling

Would you like some links to the benefits of a calorie controlled diet that includes carbs?
Surely not?
I didn't think that a human being would be so naive to realise that such evidence didn't exist.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: mr.turbo on February 03, 2013, 03:09:49 PM
So you are a:
 White ( ashamed of his Malayan maternal heritage)
 bodybuilding ( double chinned big bellied rotundant
 self proclaimed man of God (screams abuse and hate on those who dis agree with him here)
abhors oral sex (is either a virgin or afaid and ashamed of his own desires)
and studed strategic mamagement (but hasnt a clue about getting on with people)

are you happy ?

sounds about right


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 03, 2013, 03:13:25 PM
Jeff I think you are actually a bit retarded , you have been given the links to studies published in scientific journals . One that showed that a group of elite gymnasts showed no strength loss whilst on keto/low carb diets and greater fat loss than on a conventional 'balanced' diet.

And another study on regular people that showed the participants were more likely to stick to a low carb/keto diet than they were to a low fat diet, and that they showed greater fat loss on the low carb diet and even had better lipid profiles!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3411406/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15148063


What exactly have you put forward to show your way of dieting is better than the low carb approach...?

Oh yeh some mumbo jumbo about you couldn't drive your car or hold down a normal job while on low carb diet...

Your argument here has been extremely compelling ::)


WHAT,  you mean liar jeff produced those links originally?  WOW Jeff are you retarded or something, why would you produce articles in favor of our argument and articles that go against what you claim  ???


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on February 03, 2013, 03:17:19 PM
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WHAT,  you mean liar jeff produced those links originally?  WOW Jeff are you retarded or something, why would you produce articles in favor of our argument and articles that go against what you claim  
Lol,,in first before thinking again.
I didnt post those links.
And I'm retard???     :D :D :D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Conker on February 03, 2013, 03:31:16 PM
Would you like some links to the benefits of a calorie controlled diet that includes carbs?
Surely not?
I didn't think that a human being would be so naive to realise that such evidence didn't exist.

Yes I would love to see you offer anything that could be consudered credible evidence that your way of dieting works better than low carb/keto.

After all you have been provided with 2 scientific journal studies that contradict your argument....So yes would be great if you actually had something other than incoherent rambling to back your argument. :)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 03, 2013, 03:32:28 PM
WHAT,  you mean liar jeff produced those links originally?  WOW Jeff are you retarded or something, why would you produce articles in favor of our argument and articles that go against what you claim  ???
My bad did not read that properly but liar jeff is still a retard  ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 03, 2013, 03:36:23 PM
Yes I would love to see you offer anything that could be consudered credible evidence that your way of dieting works better than low carb/keto.

After all you have been provided with 2 scientific journal studies that contradict your argument....So yes would be great if you actually had something other than incoherent rambling to back your argument. :)
Liar jeff holds the position that you can cut your protein intake in half and replace it with carbs and you will see the same fat lose while maintaining the same amount of muscles. What a clown, but that is OK cause not 1 person in this entire thread has followed his ridiculous claims, in fact all he has gotten has been laughter


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Conker on February 03, 2013, 03:36:35 PM
WHAT,  you mean liar jeff produced those links originally?  WOW Jeff are you retarded or something, why would you produce articles in favor of our argument and articles that go against what you claim  ???

Nah he didn't put up those links, but he has offered not a single thing apart from his own single experience to back his argument why his way of dieting is on the whole better than low carb dieting.

I can't see from what he has offered here that he should be sauing anything other than he personally didn't get along with low carb dieting, nothing else.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on February 03, 2013, 03:37:27 PM
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works better
I have never made such a claim.
Someone else cant read posts.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Conker on February 03, 2013, 03:41:49 PM
I have never made such a claim.
Someone else cant read posts.

So what exactly is your argument? WTF has been the point of your entire input to this this thread. If you are now saying that your way of dieting is not on the whole better than low carb/keto?



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 03, 2013, 03:43:01 PM
Nah he didn't put up those links, but he has offered not a single thing apart from his own single experience to back his argument why his way of dieting is on the whole better than low carb dieting.

I can't see from what he has offered here that he should be sauing anything other than he personally didn't get along with low carb dieting, nothing else.
Ya I mis read that,my bad, lol.

Ya I think his real big problem with a NO carb diet is he has to walk everywhere cause he can not drive  :'(   lmao


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on February 03, 2013, 03:44:15 PM
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Liar jeff holds the position that you can cut your protein intake in half and replace it with carbs and you will see the same fat lose while maintaining the same amount of muscles. What a clown, but that is OK cause not 1 person in this entire thread has followed his ridiculous claims, in fact all he has gotten has been laughter
"Hey, guys get on my side look, look this guys dumb, lets all gang up and give him a hard time
You are really funny OTH.
Try fighting on your own.


PS If you are 200lb and eating 200gms of protein you will be fine.



Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on February 03, 2013, 03:48:59 PM
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So what exactly is your argument? WTF has been the point of your entire input to this this thread. If you are now saying that your way of dieting is not on the whole better than low carb/keto?
My whole point in this thread has been that to lose weight you have to burn more calories than you consume.
It doesn't matter how you do it, as long as you do it.
Low Carb, Low protein, Low fat.
Who gives a shit what you use.

OTH stated
Quote
What I wrote is the fastest and most efficient way humanly possible, there is simply no such a thing as a faster way to get to contest shape while maintaining all your muscle, sorry but there just is NOT.
That isn't true.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 03, 2013, 04:06:08 PM
YES it is true, you saying it isn't means nothing. What people have stated on this thread proving it through experience means a 100 times more.

Also this is not a fight bro, why are you acting like this is a real life fight, you are across the ocean bro and are hiding your identity. What benefit would I get from telling everyone to gang up on you, like it ain't that serious bro, wow you take the internet way to serious, lol.

I, on the other hand have given the world my exact location and my complete identity and I am on stage a dozen times a year in front of crowds of thousands of people showing my face at bodybuilding shows running the stage and I am the coward? lmao, real smart for someone who hides behind a user name to call someone a coward who is out there for the world to see.

OK everyone please do not pick on this guy anymore, he is pleading and crying that we are always ganging up on him like if it's some conspiracy or something.  ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Krankenstein on February 03, 2013, 09:56:17 PM
'Spoilt' is correct too, you spineless sap. Thanks as well for the kind confirmation above that you're a gimmick. Since you want to see me so much, here's me having a big protein meal, you impertinent whipster.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=454675.0;attach=503504;image)

Curious, when was this pic taken?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: a_ahmed on February 03, 2013, 09:57:09 PM
so is this some kind of joke or is this skinny fat asian kid half serious? He has 10" arms and is fat like a balloon... and i have a strong urge to say he is probably very short and a midget in reality too..


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Krankenstein on February 03, 2013, 10:24:07 PM
We shall see how "Jonathan" responds...


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 03, 2013, 10:25:03 PM
so is this some kind of joke or is this skinny fat asian kid half serious? He has 10" arms and is fat like a balloon... and i have a strong urge to say he is probably very short and a midget in reality too..

Hahaha, you're probably describing your own pathetic body, you Muslim dog. I'm 5'11'', white (not Asian) and my arms measure 20 inches pumped BTW. ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 03, 2013, 10:25:42 PM
Curious, when was this pic taken?

Last year.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Krankenstein on February 03, 2013, 10:41:14 PM
Last year.

Kudos for ripping those pics off facebook, whomever you are.  Exif data shows they are taken from Facebook...next time you impersonate someone, try eliminating exif data.

Troll on....but troll smarter


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 03, 2013, 10:53:23 PM
Kudos for ripping those pics off facebook, whomever you are.  Exif data shows they are taken from Facebook...next time you impersonate someone, try eliminating exif data.

Troll on....but troll smarter

Yeah sure, they're from my Facebook, troll.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 03, 2013, 11:31:17 PM
Kudos for ripping those pics off facebook, whomever you are.  Exif data shows they are taken from Facebook...next time you impersonate someone, try eliminating exif data.

Troll on....but troll smarter

And does your poor mom know you're stalking bodybuilders and talking shit to them on the Internet right from her basement? What a douchebag.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on February 04, 2013, 12:01:36 AM
Quote
Also this is not a fight bro, why are you acting like this is a real life fight, you are across the ocean bro and are hiding your identity. What benefit would I get from telling everyone to gang up on you, like it ain't that serious bro, wow you take the internet way to serious, lol.
OTH meant to write
"Wah....Ive been caught out, please look at him, it isnt me, I havent done anything Miss, Im going to tell my dad on you."

Quote
OK everyone please do not pick on this guy anymore, he is pleading and crying that we are always ganging up on him like if it's some conspiracy or something. 
OTH meant to write
"Please leave him alone before he makes a fool of me because he's got my number and I don't know how to debate on internet forums because Im a bit thick and keep putting my foot in my mouth."
"Oh and thanks guys for not highlighting my mistakes and idiotic posts"


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: njflex on February 04, 2013, 06:28:50 AM
'HARRIDAN'YOU ARE AMUSING BUT THAT CAN'T BE YOU IN THE PICS,,THERE IS NO WHITE FEATURES AT ALL,EVERYTHING IS 100%ASIAN,FACE,HAIR,BODY ,THERE IS NO WAY THAT IS A PART WHITE ANYTHING...MAYBE UR NOODLE...


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 04, 2013, 06:32:14 AM
'HARRIDAN'YOU ARE AMUSING BUT THAT CAN'T BE YOU IN THE PICS,,THERE IS NO WHITE FEATURES AT ALL,EVERYTHING IS 100%ASIAN,FACE,HAIR,BODY ,THERE IS NO WAY THAT IS A PART WHITE ANYTHING...MAYBE UR NOODLE...

Yes of course there are white features because my dad is originally Canadian. Maybe my mom's Asian genes are dominant so you have trouble seeing the white. The same may be true of Stan McQuay; his father is Irish. In this pic it is very obvious I'm white.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: njflex on February 04, 2013, 06:33:49 AM
Yes of course there are white features because my dad is white. Maybe my mom's Asian genes are dominant so you have trouble seeing the white. In this pic it is very obvious I'm white.
OK,,,,,NO....


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 04, 2013, 06:35:21 AM
OK,,,,,NO....

Ok, yes. You need to look harder like with Stan McQuay bro. It's all about the genes. Even the Hodge twins are half white but folks think they are black.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: B_B_C on February 04, 2013, 06:38:58 AM
In this pic it is very obvious I'm white.

in the picture it is obvious the chap is overweight
now if he did some of those oral exercises he might get fitter


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: deceiver on February 04, 2013, 11:29:35 AM
Guys, this is boring.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: B_B_C on February 04, 2013, 11:30:44 AM
Guys, this is boring.
then liven the place up


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on February 04, 2013, 12:18:01 PM
jon cockinbum posting with a mouth full of spunk in this thread


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 04, 2013, 12:28:30 PM
You cheeky Muslim bastard, you should read the Bible instead of the Quran.
WTF are you talking about Mr. Herridan, you are not a Christian bro, you are a wanabe inmature loser who can't even take care of his own house. Telling people to read the Bible when you have a vulgar side note to Krankenstein is fucken the biggest hypocrit on the planet bro.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: B_B_C on February 04, 2013, 12:34:23 PM
Of course I'm Christian. I'm trying to preach the Gospel to our Muslim friend here. You, on the other hand, can't be bothered to take up the cross. :'(
your weight is greatly exceeded by your pomposity


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 04, 2013, 12:36:19 PM
Of course I'm Christian. I'm trying to preach the Gospel to our Muslim friend here. You, on the other hand, can't be bothered to take up the cross. :'(
What you are accomplishing is the oppisite. You have to lead by example in any field if you want to preach about anything otherwise people will laugh at you, you certainly are not a Christian, more like a mocker of Christianity


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: njflex on February 04, 2013, 12:37:01 PM
AT LEAST WE KNOW HARRIDAN IS NOT HALF WHITE LOL...


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on February 04, 2013, 12:38:02 PM
Sounds like you've just taken it in the crapper from your boyfriend, hehehe. ;D

were you drooling as you typed this


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on February 04, 2013, 12:47:52 PM
jon trolling very hard

crying for attention

desperate to be noticed

poor little jon

poor desperate little jon


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on February 04, 2013, 12:53:36 PM
jon trolling very hard

crying for attention

desperate to be noticed

poor little jon

poor desperate little jon


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: bigmc on February 04, 2013, 01:21:38 PM
jon trolling very hard

crying for attention

desperate to be noticed

poor little jon

poor desperate little jon


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 04, 2013, 01:31:20 PM


If you've got nothing else to say shut your trap.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: B_B_C on February 04, 2013, 01:35:43 PM
I'm only trying to be nice by being friends with the outcast kids here. ::)

thangs for allowing us to laugh   at you -


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: a_ahmed on February 04, 2013, 01:36:35 PM
You cheeky Muslim bastard, you should read the Bible instead of the Quran.

lol you realize i read the whole bible and then some, and apocrypha books (if you even know what that is)  before ever reading the qur'an and becoming muslim. Oh snap.

You're fat, annoying, a bad example of someone who claims to be preaching anything, fat. /thread

GH15 approved

This thread is just full of win :) Is it just me or are all the fat people swatting into here to try to argue with OTH and other guys who actually got real results and can show for it lol.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: a_ahmed on February 04, 2013, 02:55:19 PM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_TsnWPuYB5c8/SvEMZ6PCp3I/AAAAAAAAAFw/pksDixkEegc/s320/fat-asian-kid-loses-172-kg.jpg)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: a_ahmed on February 04, 2013, 03:37:43 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJ1AOv1eh2kvtJtoirKTX4uDPOGQ01SFCy0oiP5Kei9G9W_DVjYg)

I will just let you be about your belief that the bible is the word of God, even though most Christians know it is not actually the word of God but word of men 'inspired' by God (or so they say). That's why certain books are and aren't included in the bible depending on denominations, doctrinal differences, etc... Did you know that ethiopian chuch bible has books you never ever heard of included in it?

If it was the word of God it would be one word, not many words of men :) The term bible itself is not in the bible, it comes from biblios refering to 'book' or rather many books.

I am trying to figure out if you are serious because if you are you're one seriously delusional kid. OTH lol.. I hope it's not your for fun gimmick in this thread hahahaaha...

Kid has issues if he thinks that's muscular having 10" arms and being a fat slob.

And sorry to burst your bubble you're as white as this asian wall:

(http://www.dezignwithaz.com/images/mygeisha.jpg)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: a_ahmed on February 04, 2013, 03:41:43 PM
Speaking of http://www.rapscallionrestaurant.com/

You love restaurants right?

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcStuBdKrQsHKSC5YSeVow5Mm25aWl2-pER2Xm6ZcbEw0BtRV7PTtg)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: B_B_C on February 04, 2013, 03:46:24 PM
Speaking of http://www.rapscallionrestaurant.com/

You love restaurants right?

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcStuBdKrQsHKSC5YSeVow5Mm25aWl2-pER2Xm6ZcbEw0BtRV7PTtg)

is that Dr Jon smiting the Sodomites before his tits get in the way?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: a_ahmed on February 04, 2013, 03:59:22 PM
My chest is so big my pecs protrude as much as tits do! That's what you get when you dip religiously as I do. ;)

Okay this is the new trend in the thread. As many quotes as you can come up with "When you dip as I do".

When you dip your French Fries?

Or do you like to dip in this?

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR0HBUc4vAxfbOnZY7Wr5gqhlTr6tMzMPfuv8x8AJY-ExBTkIXW)

Next?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Jon Harridan on February 04, 2013, 04:00:25 PM
Okay this is the new trend in the thread. As many quotes as you can come up with "When you dip as I do".

When you dip your French Fries?

Next?

Very funny. ::)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: a_ahmed on February 04, 2013, 04:01:34 PM
You know there's that saying you could "walk away" and spare yourself further humiliation like that other GH clown on here did.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: a_ahmed on February 04, 2013, 04:04:20 PM
25 Deadliest Chips and Dips

Mar 22, 2011 8:48 PM EDT
Today is National Chip and Dip Day, but not all crunching is created equal. From Chevys' 1,900-calorie nachos to the Cheesecake Factory's 1,600-calorie guacamole, these are the snack attacks.

Between St. Patrick’s Day and April Fools’ Day, there’s another holiday worthy of celebration, National Chip and Dip Day. For the dedicated dippers, there’s no reason to settle for a staid onion dip with ridged potato chips when chain restaurants offer concoctions like lobster nachos or smoked mozzarella fonduta. Of course, the cost of such celebration can be measured in calories—lots of ‘em.

(http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2011/03/23/most-fattening-chips-and-dip/_jcr_content/body/image_0.img.503.jpg/1337256000000.cached.jpg)
Rest of the important story here:

I think you mistook "Chips" for chest.

You're the one getting humiliated. At least you're not alone though. ;D

Can you post some of your bulk pictures again :D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: B_B_C on February 04, 2013, 04:28:08 PM
When I last squatted back in 2002 I think I did full squats with 50 lbs and now I push 400+ lbs on my gym's leg press machine. If I worked legs more frequently as I should my legs would doubtless be pressing 500 lbs at least.

leg press??????

but at least you shit squat


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: a_ahmed on February 04, 2013, 04:56:38 PM
omg lol i hope this is someone trolling... wooooooooooooooow....... ..... someone is self-owning themselves hardcore...!

I'll let this one roll for a while, oth having fun i think lol. This can't be real life haha...


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: a_ahmed on February 04, 2013, 07:53:10 PM
Hey mind showing us all your stage prep photo? Like when you cut down so we can see them 20" guns.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: njflex on February 04, 2013, 08:01:19 PM
The one true Bible is the one universally agreed upon by Protestants, that is the King James version of the Holy Bible. Men were inspired by God to write His word so they wrote the word of God which is the Bible. And I'm white, you lunkhead. That's just a fact and hence not up for discussion. My arms are 20'' pumped and my pectorals must be close to 55-60 inches. I'm a big bear not a fat slob, my deluded Muslim friend. Here's the pictorial proof.
100 pct asian ,,not one white feature in either one of them,,,,harridan is bullshitting/gimmick/troll


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Borracho on February 05, 2013, 12:36:39 AM
Too many clowns getting undeserved attention here lately. Just ignore them they'll go away..

in b4 musclecentre's obese nephew says thanks bro I wont pay attention to them.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 05, 2013, 02:36:44 AM
Too many clowns getting undeserved attention here lately. Just ignore them they'll go away..

in b4 musclecentre's obese nephew says thanks bro I wont pay attention to them.
^^^ This,  :-\

Jon's 15 minutes is up, he is getting pretty boring now claiming 400 on the leg press :-[ :-[ :-[


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: dr.chimps on February 05, 2013, 04:51:38 AM
Look carefully. If you scrutinize closely you can surely see my dad's features. You've got some nerve saying I'm a troll. >:(
Who's this Chunk?


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Krankenstein on February 05, 2013, 06:15:01 AM
Hi Avesher!!


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Overload on February 05, 2013, 09:52:53 AM
Epic gimmick trolling. ;D

It's funny how each time there is a good thread on a certain topic, a gimmick is created to try and destroy it.


8)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Palpatine Q on February 05, 2013, 10:42:02 AM
LOL @ people here talking to "Jon Harridan" as if he's an actual person, and trying to insult him based on "his" pics and his claims

If I had to guess I'd say it was the master TA having some fun with a new gimmick


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: njflex on February 05, 2013, 12:22:26 PM
You dumbass, I'm white because that's what my dad is. Can't you just accept simple facts? What's wrong with you man. ::)
::),,,,


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: njflex on February 05, 2013, 12:26:33 PM
I'm just keeping it real man. ::)
OK,, ::),,,


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 05, 2013, 12:38:58 PM
I'm just keeping it real man. ::)
Keeping it real? OK then stop shaming yourself. Have some dignity and some self-respect brother. People do not want you to post here anymore, I mean if no one wanted me to post here anymore I wouldn't because I have self-respect and I have class, so stop posting and stop hanging out where you are not wanted or where you aren't liked or where you offer nothing to anyone. You are very insignificant and can not even managed to be liked on a forum.

I can just see it; you showing up self invited to some gathering and people whispering behind your back ''oh great here comes jon'' but yet your to stupid to realize that you are just there cause no one wants to be rude to you, well same scenario here bro, you are the laughing stock, nothing more.  :-[


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: njflex on February 05, 2013, 12:39:37 PM
People have come up to me and asked me if I was Scandinavian so if you don't believe me then you can kiss my ass. :-*
CLEARLY THAT'S THE IST THING I THOUGHT 'BOWL HAIRCUT,ASIAN FEATURES,BULKED BODY.. DAMN HARRIDAN LOOKS 'SCANADINAVIAN'MUST DRIVE A VOLVO TOO BOOT,,,


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on February 05, 2013, 01:41:06 PM
You are missing the point here. The fact is people here still want me to post, so I do, but the day they don't want me here, I will leave because I have self-respect and it's called DIGNITY

You are not wanted here, and if you don't know that then you have got to have an IQ of a peanut cause it is clear to everyone here how annoying you are. How many people have to call you a troll and a gimmick for you to believe you are not wanted, so stop being in DENIAL.

Now have some self-respect bro, why would you want to hang out with people who don't like you, have some dignity.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: King Shizzo on February 05, 2013, 05:01:50 PM
You are missing the point here. The fact is people here still want me to post, so I do, but the day they don't want me here, I will leave because I have self-respect and it's called DIGNITY

You are not wanted here, and if you don't know that then you have got to have an IQ of a peanut cause it is clear to everyone here how annoying you are. How many people have to call you a troll and a gimmick for you to believe you are not wanted, so stop being in DENIAL.

Now have some self-respect bro, why would you want to hang out with people who don't like you, have some dignity.
I love you but................Outed .


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Nicademus on February 18, 2013, 03:16:05 PM
The first part of this thread is helpful.  Figured I'd bump.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on February 18, 2013, 03:21:19 PM
The second part was much more entertaining though.  ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: AVBG on February 19, 2013, 02:34:07 AM
Some real home truths in this thread OTH.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on July 10, 2013, 11:14:55 AM
I have received pms and question regarding this diet and thread so I bumped it up.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on July 10, 2013, 11:17:09 AM
This is on the first page...


SIMPLE- HOW TO GET CONTEST SHREDDED FOR ANYONE.

All these trainers and coaches make me sick acting like if it's some rocket science shit they are giving away, I have no problem with PT or coaches, they are good for motivation and guidance but where my problem lies is when they mislead their clients into thinking this shit is rocket science.

If you are on HRT or juice then listen up.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + low carbs (green veg allowed) and 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get anyone into single digits.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + No carbs (green veg and others allowed)+ 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get you to contest bodyfat levels.

Forget the calorie counting Bull Shit, forget the complicated dietary metabolism Bull Shit, forget the rocket science, all garbage, don't spend money on some expert trying to act like it is Calculus or physics. What I wrote above will get ANYONE from point A to point B (contest shape) period.




THE LIST


OK, here are your protein sources;

Egg whites
Chicken breast
lean Turkey
Cod
Haddock
Salmon
Tuna
Talipia
Shrimp
Liver
Protein shake ( find one with less then 4 grams of carbs per serving)

Now the following protein sources are kept to once a day;

Lean steak
Lean ground beef
Lean roast beef
Veal

In general I do not consider certain vegetable source to be carbs, cause your metabolism process them without any storage of fat, in other words the calories do not convert to fat

Here are your vegetable source;

Asparagus
Broccoli/purple sprouting broccoli
Cabbage
Cucumber
Onion
Spinach
Romaine lettuce
Tomatoes
Green Peppers

 Now the following vegetables should be kept to a minimum;

Celery
Carrots
Mushrooms
Peas

Dietary fats can come from flax oil or a supplement, I do not recommend they come from nuts or sees. From experience it is very easy to go crazy eating from nuts and seeds and can sabotage your diet.

Diet drinks are allowed, they have zero calories anyway.


Keep your veg. to one serving per meal.







ECA to fuel workouts on no carbs

12 weeks maximum use only


The way ECA works is it gives you more energy on less carbs, so say you take 32mg of ephedrine and you have ate 300 grams of carbs, the energy you get from the ECA will NOT be that great, if you ate 200 grams of carbs then the additional energy you get from it ECA will be more, and if you ate 100 grams it will be more yet. On 0 carbs the energy increase is the greatest on ECA. It is almost as if the carbs diminish it's potency.

So it is amazing on a no carb diet. But the problem is people do not know how to use ECA in a maximum beneficial manner so they do not get proper results. First mistake is they take it daily and periodically, huge mistake, your receptors get used to the stimulants fast so before you know it you have to keep upping the dose to achieve the same levels of energy it produces.

This is how I use it, only on training days and prior to a workout to start off with, I will take 32mg of ephedrine, 200mg caffeine, and 80mg aspirin 20 minutes before a workout and I am on a no carb diet and the energy from the ECA is NO different from that of having eaten tons of carbs, I swear absolutely no different in energy levels at all, still cranking 400 on the bench for reps no problem.

By only using it when I need it I will not tap out my receptors that quickly and at around the 3 week mark I will take 48mg of ephedrine instead of 32 cause by this point I will need more to achieve the same results.

at the 5 week mark I am up 64 mg at one time and 300mg of caffeine, the aspirin always stays at 80mg cause the body does not adapt to aspirin ( at least not noticeably). Now every 4 workouts I up the ephedrine by 8mg and when I get to the 96mg of ephedrine I add another 100 mg of caffeine. Remember up to this point your primary reason to have used ECA is as a stimulant for your workout and of course there are other secondary benefits as well.

At week six I take 8mg of ephedrine when I wake up and 8mg at launch, at week 7 I take 16mg of ephedrine when I wake up and 16mg at launch, at week 8 I take 24mg of ephedrine when I wake up and so on and so on. Now the primary reason for the ECA in the morning and at launch is for fat burning and to suppress appetite, while your pre-workout ECA still remains as a stimulant.



Incorporating clen on a no carb diet

TWO ways to do this, one requires you change your diet every two weeks and the other allows you to keep the same diet, however, your ECA protocol has to be changed.

Protocol one; Ok you are running on zero carbs so ECA is a must, and NO CARB diet has to include a stimulant such as ECA no matter what so since ECA and Clen together is rather hard on your heart, so I propose you take clen for 2 weeks and then ECA for 2 weeks, Clen for 2 weeks and then ECA for 2 weeks etc.

The 2 weeks you are on clen you will not have ECA to fuel your workout so you must take in carb pre-workout, but we are talking 100-150 grams of carbs daily. So your diet will be a no carb diet for 2 weeks (ECA) then a low carb diet for 2 weeks (Clen) etc. Plain and simple.


Protocol two; This one is a little harder so DO NOT do it if you are feeling to much anxiety, BE CAREFUL.

As mentioned earlier in the thread that on a NO CARB diet one must take ECA for 2 different reasons- reason #1 to stimulate your workout and reason #2- to stimulate fat burning and appetite suppressant.

 Once you start taking Clen drop reason #2, I repeat drop taking ECA multiple times per day as a fat burner and an appetite suppressant. Now the reason is your fat burning will come from Clen and it is already doing a good job so ECA for fat burning is NOT necessary, also there are NO synergistic affect anyway. Now you still need to take ECA as a stimulant pre-workout, this is a must to fuel your workout. At this point nothing changes in your diet, still a no carb diet with Clen as your main source of fat-lose tool and ECA as your main source of stimulant to duel your workout.

CONCLUSION; Do not ask me which one is better, it is not anyones call but yours, this could be hard on your system so make sure you dot all i's and cross all your t's before you make a mistake that can hurt you.

Now as far as dosage, again Clen reactions vary from person to person so I do not know what would be to much or to little for anyone, but I will say this though; start at 20mcg and work your way up, add a little every 2 days until you reach what you like. If you do protocol 2 since you are on ECA as well I would not recommend you ever cross 100 mcg daily and that is a lot. Most people stick to 40-60.




ADDRESSING THE CHEAT/CARB DAY[/[/i][/u]
If you are on low carbs no need for this


On a no carb diet most people use the weekly approach for a carb up day. I do not use this approach.

What I do is simple, I pick intervals in body weight throughtout the course of my journey and once every interval is met I have a cheat day.

Here is an example; start the diet at 250lb and I end up at 205lb so I pick all my cheat days in advance like this;

244 lb
239 lb
234 lb
229 lb
225 lb
221 lb
217 lb
214 lb
211 lb
208 lb
205 lb

Every time I hit my next weight goal I have a carb up day. The carb up day is 300-350 grams of carbs and it does not matter if the carbs are from complex sources or simple sources cause you are way depleted anyway, you will burn it all regardless.

Now notice how the first interval is 6lb and the last one is only 3 lb, well that is because at the beginning you lose lots of weight fast and then as you approach less bodyfat your weight lost slow down. weigh yourself on empty stomach first thing in the morning


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Disgusted on July 10, 2013, 12:35:30 PM
Certainly this is too easy.  ;D


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: ukjeff on July 10, 2013, 12:38:48 PM
This is on the first page...


SIMPLE- HOW TO GET CONTEST SHREDDED FOR ANYONE.

All these trainers and coaches make me sick acting like if it's some rocket science shit they are giving away, I have no problem with PT or coaches, they are good for motivation and guidance but where my problem lies is when they mislead their clients into thinking this shit is rocket science.

If you are on HRT or juice then listen up.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + low carbs (green veg allowed) and 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get anyone into single digits.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + No carbs (green veg and others allowed)+ 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get you to contest bodyfat levels.

Forget the calorie counting Bull Shit, forget the complicated dietary metabolism Bull Shit, forget the rocket science, all garbage, don't spend money on some expert trying to act like it is Calculus or physics. What I wrote above will get ANYONE from point A to point B (contest shape) period.




THE LIST


OK, here are your protein sources;

Egg whites
Chicken breast
lean Turkey
Cod
Haddock
Salmon
Tuna
Talipia
Shrimp
Liver
Protein shake ( find one with less then 4 grams of carbs per serving)

Now the following protein sources are kept to once a day;

Lean steak
Lean ground beef
Lean roast beef
Veal

In general I do not consider certain vegetable source to be carbs, cause your metabolism process them without any storage of fat, in other words the calories do not convert to fat

Here are your vegetable source;

Asparagus
Broccoli/purple sprouting broccoli
Cabbage
Cucumber
Onion
Spinach
Romaine lettuce
Tomatoes
Green Peppers

 Now the following vegetables should be kept to a minimum;

Celery
Carrots
Mushrooms
Peas

Dietary fats can come from flax oil or a supplement, I do not recommend they come from nuts or sees. From experience it is very easy to go crazy eating from nuts and seeds and can sabotage your diet.

Diet drinks are allowed, they have zero calories anyway.


Keep your veg. to one serving per meal.







ECA to fuel workouts on no carbs

12 weeks maximum use only


The way ECA works is it gives you more energy on less carbs, so say you take 32mg of ephedrine and you have ate 300 grams of carbs, the energy you get from the ECA will NOT be that great, if you ate 200 grams of carbs then the additional energy you get from it ECA will be more, and if you ate 100 grams it will be more yet. On 0 carbs the energy increase is the greatest on ECA. It is almost as if the carbs diminish it's potency.

So it is amazing on a no carb diet. But the problem is people do not know how to use ECA in a maximum beneficial manner so they do not get proper results. First mistake is they take it daily and periodically, huge mistake, your receptors get used to the stimulants fast so before you know it you have to keep upping the dose to achieve the same levels of energy it produces.

This is how I use it, only on training days and prior to a workout to start off with, I will take 32mg of ephedrine, 200mg caffeine, and 80mg aspirin 20 minutes before a workout and I am on a no carb diet and the energy from the ECA is NO different from that of having eaten tons of carbs, I swear absolutely no different in energy levels at all, still cranking 400 on the bench for reps no problem.

By only using it when I need it I will not tap out my receptors that quickly and at around the 3 week mark I will take 48mg of ephedrine instead of 32 cause by this point I will need more to achieve the same results.

at the 5 week mark I am up 64 mg at one time and 300mg of caffeine, the aspirin always stays at 80mg cause the body does not adapt to aspirin ( at least not noticeably). Now every 4 workouts I up the ephedrine by 8mg and when I get to the 96mg of ephedrine I add another 100 mg of caffeine. Remember up to this point your primary reason to have used ECA is as a stimulant for your workout and of course there are other secondary benefits as well.

At week six I take 8mg of ephedrine when I wake up and 8mg at launch, at week 7 I take 16mg of ephedrine when I wake up and 16mg at launch, at week 8 I take 24mg of ephedrine when I wake up and so on and so on. Now the primary reason for the ECA in the morning and at launch is for fat burning and to suppress appetite, while your pre-workout ECA still remains as a stimulant.



Incorporating clen on a no carb diet

TWO ways to do this, one requires you change your diet every two weeks and the other allows you to keep the same diet, however, your ECA protocol has to be changed.

Protocol one; Ok you are running on zero carbs so ECA is a must, and NO CARB diet has to include a stimulant such as ECA no matter what so since ECA and Clen together is rather hard on your heart, so I propose you take clen for 2 weeks and then ECA for 2 weeks, Clen for 2 weeks and then ECA for 2 weeks etc.

The 2 weeks you are on clen you will not have ECA to fuel your workout so you must take in carb pre-workout, but we are talking 100-150 grams of carbs daily. So your diet will be a no carb diet for 2 weeks (ECA) then a low carb diet for 2 weeks (Clen) etc. Plain and simple.


Protocol two; This one is a little harder so DO NOT do it if you are feeling to much anxiety, BE CAREFUL.

As mentioned earlier in the thread that on a NO CARB diet one must take ECA for 2 different reasons- reason #1 to stimulate your workout and reason #2- to stimulate fat burning and appetite suppressant.

 Once you start taking Clen drop reason #2, I repeat drop taking ECA multiple times per day as a fat burner and an appetite suppressant. Now the reason is your fat burning will come from Clen and it is already doing a good job so ECA for fat burning is NOT necessary, also there are NO synergistic affect anyway. Now you still need to take ECA as a stimulant pre-workout, this is a must to fuel your workout. At this point nothing changes in your diet, still a no carb diet with Clen as your main source of fat-lose tool and ECA as your main source of stimulant to duel your workout.

CONCLUSION; Do not ask me which one is better, it is not anyones call but yours, this could be hard on your system so make sure you dot all i's and cross all your t's before you make a mistake that can hurt you.

Now as far as dosage, again Clen reactions vary from person to person so I do not know what would be to much or to little for anyone, but I will say this though; start at 20mcg and work your way up, add a little every 2 days until you reach what you like. If you do protocol 2 since you are on ECA as well I would not recommend you ever cross 100 mcg daily and that is a lot. Most people stick to 40-60.




ADDRESSING THE CHEAT/CARB DAY[/[/i][/u]
If you are on low carbs no need for this


On a no carb diet most people use the weekly approach for a carb up day. I do not use this approach.

What I do is simple, I pick intervals in body weight throughtout the course of my journey and once every interval is met I have a cheat day.

Here is an example; start the diet at 250lb and I end up at 205lb so I pick all my cheat days in advance like this;

244 lb
239 lb
234 lb
229 lb
225 lb
221 lb
217 lb
214 lb
211 lb
208 lb
205 lb

Every time I hit my next weight goal I have a carb up day. The carb up day is 300-350 grams of carbs and it does not matter if the carbs are from complex sources or simple sources cause you are way depleted anyway, you will burn it all regardless.

Now notice how the first interval is 6lb and the last one is only 3 lb, well that is because at the beginning you lose lots of weight fast and then as you approach less bodyfat your weight lost slow down. weigh yourself on empty stomach first thing in the morning

That would have made a cracking book.  ;)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: King Shizzo on July 10, 2013, 01:44:56 PM
Onetimehard deserves a $20 just as much as bitter beer face, and eye of the tiger. Adonis too.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on July 10, 2013, 02:19:43 PM
Onetimehard deserves a $20 just as much as bitter beer face, and eye of the tiger. Adonis too.
I do not charge but anyone who does is fine with me, the info is worth thousands, just not my style.  ;)

Certainly this is too easy.  ;D
indeed


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: BigCyp on July 11, 2013, 03:18:55 AM
Bumped.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: deceiver on July 14, 2013, 09:34:24 PM
I should get back in shape asap, I couldn't stand the look of my body in the mirror today. It's terrible when love handles get out of my jeans naked, disgusting.

I would never want to look like coach in the shredded pic or galeniko tho. That's just not my thing. 8-10% is perfectly ok for me.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: OTHstrong on July 14, 2013, 09:47:37 PM
I should get back in shape asap, I couldn't stand the look of my body in the mirror today. It's terrible when love handles get out of my jeans naked, disgusting.

I would never want to look like coach in the shredded pic or galeniko tho. That's just not my thing. 8-10% is perfectly ok for me.
bro you look amazing at that % (no homo) you have that granite muscle that makes you look strong and you are strong to boot.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: deceiver on July 14, 2013, 09:51:10 PM
(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq115/jerry_album_2008/ce2f1-franco_columbu_022.jpg)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/df7dca5363a74e0ccb51a6a6bab21940/tumblr_monyapmqkB1s7wpm8o1_500.png)
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/jeKjdOB4TQ0/hqdefault.jpg)
That's the look I want to achieve and maintain. I arleady had something along these lines, obviously 100x worse. Strong, lean look but without veins everywhere and deathly dehydration.

You also have that look in some of your pics. Obviously pre-contest you're dry as fuck which does not look that good IMO. Yet you had to do what you had to do, bodybuilding is extreme.


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: kevthekid on April 09, 2015, 11:55:00 AM
I did this diet after over bulking on Tren I lost like 40lbs in 2-3 months. Amazing diet if you need to lose a shit load of weight in a short period of time


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: HTexan on April 09, 2015, 12:32:10 PM
Call CNN!!! You can lose weight if you stoping eating so much!!!
 ::)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: epcfitness on April 09, 2015, 11:28:40 PM
I did this diet after over bulking on Tren I lost like 40lbs in 2-3 months. Amazing diet if you need to lose a shit load of weight in a short period of time

What if you want to maintain body weight or as close to it and get shredded starting at 12% body fat? Would 1.4g tren ace 1g mast prop 500mg test prop 100mg anavar 50mg winstrol do it and just cut down the carbs a bit? Would I look better on that or eating 0 carbs? Eventually getting to a low bodyfat percentage then add in anadrol and continue eating low carbs?

Or have two low carb meals only to use insulin for fullness then the rest of the meals just protein and some fats? I just don't want to be a twig with abs

EXAMPLE

Meal 1 1/2 cup oatmeal, egg whites
Meal 2 1/2 cup white rice, tilapia/chx breast
Meal 3 chx breast/tilapia, greens
Meal 4 Protein Shake, Water
Meal 5 chx breast/tilapia, greens

Pin insulin 10units have meal 1 train
Eat meal 2 post workout
Rest of the days straight protein and greens


Shit I am missing fats someone help and clarify best way to do it


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Thong Maniac on April 10, 2015, 04:50:08 AM
I can see how this would work, but where are the fats? I would shrink to nothing on this diet and energy wojuld be crippled. Also, i can eat 5000 cals of steak- easy. Id be a fat ass if i did and lipids would be fuuucked up


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: kevthekid on April 10, 2015, 07:36:40 AM
What if you want to maintain body weight or as close to it and get shredded starting at 12% body fat? Would 1.4g tren ace 1g mast prop 500mg test prop 100mg anavar 50mg winstrol do it and just cut down the carbs a bit? Would I look better on that or eating 0 carbs? Eventually getting to a low bodyfat percentage then add in anadrol and continue eating low carbs?

Or have two low carb meals only to use insulin for fullness then the rest of the meals just protein and some fats? I just don't want to be a twig with abs

EXAMPLE

Meal 1 1/2 cup oatmeal, egg whites
Meal 2 1/2 cup white rice, tilapia/chx breast
Meal 3 chx breast/tilapia, greens
Meal 4 Protein Shake, Water
Meal 5 chx breast/tilapia, greens

Pin insulin 10units have meal 1 train
Eat meal 2 post workout
Rest of the days straight protein and greens


Shit I am missing fats someone help and clarify best way to do it

I didn't do the no carb approach i did the low carb approach. I kept my carbs between 120-150 every day except on the days I would train legs i raised carbs to 200-220. The key is to keep fats low and hit cardio 5 days a week. I kept my fats under 40 the entire time and did cardio 20-30 minutes 5-6 days a week walking on a treadmill at the highest elevation at 4mph


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: dyslexic on April 10, 2015, 07:57:20 AM
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/magic%20pill%20fat%20man_zpsprh9qclc.png) (http://s183.photobucket.com/user/timeamajorova/media/magic%20pill%20fat%20man_zpsprh9qclc.png.html)


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: kevthekid on April 10, 2015, 11:05:47 AM
I can see how this would work, but where are the fats? I would shrink to nothing on this diet and energy wojuld be crippled. Also, i can eat 5000 cals of steak- easy. Id be a fat ass if i did and lipids would be fuuucked up

This diet is good for losing weight and getting shredded quick. If I had more time say 20 weeks I wouldn't use this approach and would do a slower cut but this got the job done and I cut down from like 15% Bf in December to 8% currently but I didn't follow it exactly I would have some Cheat meals here and there maybe like 3 cheat meals a month. Also about your steak comment, of course you would become fat eating 5K calories of steak there is a lot of fat in all red meats and yes even the 93% lean ones. In a lean steak there is 12 grams of fat and 28 grams of protein approximately for 4oz but in 4oz lean chicken breast there is 3 grams of fat and 39 grams of protein which is why the diet specifically states to eat only 1 portion of red meats per day


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Be There on April 10, 2015, 11:13:08 AM
I can see how this would work, but where are the fats? I would shrink to nothing on this diet and energy wojuld be crippled. Also, i can eat 5000 cals of steak- easy. Id be a fat ass if i did and lipids would be fuuucked up

8lb of ribeye at one sitting? (and thats a high cal fatty cut as well)

The diet does say one serving of steak per day


Title: Re: Fu.... the experts, non-sense. Get shredded, EVERYTHING NOW ON THE FIRST PAGE
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 10, 2015, 11:24:30 AM
SIMPLE- HOW TO GET CONTEST SHREDDED FOR ANYONE.

All these trainers and coaches make me sick acting like if it's some rocket science shit they are giving away, I have no problem with PT or coaches, they are good for motivation and guidance but where my problem lies is when they mislead their clients into thinking this shit is rocket science.

If you are on HRT or juice then listen up.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + low carbs (green veg allowed) and 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get anyone into single digits.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + No carbs (green veg and others allowed)+ 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get you to contest bodyfat levels.


Forget the calorie counting Bull Shit, forget the complicated dietary metabolism Bull Shit, forget the rocket science, all garbage, don't spend money on some expert trying to act like it is Calculus or physics. What I wrote above will get ANYONE from point A to point B (contest shape) period.




THE LIST


OK, here are your protein sources;

Egg whites
Chicken breast
lean Turkey
Cod
Haddock
Salmon
Tuna
Talipia
Shrimp
Liver
Protein shake ( find one with less then 4 grams of carbs per serving)

Now the following protein sources are kept to once a day;

Lean steak
Lean ground beef
Lean roast beef
Veal

In general I do not consider certain vegetable source to be carbs, cause your metabolism process them without any storage of fat, in other words the calories do not convert to fat

Here are your vegetable source;

Asparagus
Broccoli/purple sprouting broccoli
Cabbage
Cucumber
Onion
Spinach
Romaine lettuce
Tomatoes
Green Peppers

 Now the following vegetables should be kept to a minimum;

Celery
Carrots
Mushrooms
Peas

Dietary fats can come from flax oil or a supplement, I do not recommend they come from nuts or sees. From experience it is very easy to go crazy eating from nuts and seeds and can sabotage your diet.

Diet drinks are allowed, they have zero calories anyway.


Keep your veg. to one serving per meal.








ECA to fuel workouts on no carbs

12 weeks maximum use only


The way ECA works is it gives you more energy on less carbs, so say you take 32mg of ephedrine and you have ate 300 grams of carbs, the energy you get from the ECA will NOT be that great, if you ate 200 grams of carbs then the additional energy you get from it ECA will be more, and if you ate 100 grams it will be more yet. On 0 carbs the energy increase is the greatest on ECA. It is almost as if the carbs diminish it's potency.

So it is amazing on a no carb diet. But the problem is people do not know how to use ECA in a maximum beneficial manner so they do not get proper results. First mistake is they take it daily and periodically, huge mistake, your receptors get used to the stimulants fast so before you know it you have to keep upping the dose to achieve the same levels of energy it produces.

This is how I use it, only on training days and prior to a workout to start off with, I will take 32mg of ephedrine, 200mg caffeine, and 80mg aspirin 20 minutes before a workout and I am on a no carb diet and the energy from the ECA is NO different from that of having eaten tons of carbs, I swear absolutely no different in energy levels at all, still cranking 400 on the bench for reps no problem.

By only using it when I need it I will not tap out my receptors that quickly and at around the 3 week mark I will take 48mg of ephedrine instead of 32 cause by this point I will need more to achieve the same results.

at the 5 week mark I am up 64 mg at one time and 300mg of caffeine, the aspirin always stays at 80mg cause the body does not adapt to aspirin ( at least not noticeably). Now every 4 workouts I up the ephedrine by 8mg and when I get to the 96mg of ephedrine I add another 100 mg of caffeine. Remember up to this point your primary reason to have used ECA is as a stimulant for your workout and of course there are other secondary benefits as well.

At week six I take 8mg of ephedrine when I wake up and 8mg at launch, at week 7 I take 16mg of ephedrine when I wake up and 16mg at launch, at week 8 I take 24mg of ephedrine when I wake up and so on and so on. Now the primary reason for the ECA in the morning and at launch is for fat burning and to suppress appetite, while your pre-workout ECA still remains as a stimulant.



Incorporating clen on a no carb diet

TWO ways to do this, one requires you change your diet every two weeks and the other allows you to keep the same diet, however, your ECA protocol has to be changed.

Protocol one; Ok you are running on zero carbs so ECA is a must, and NO CARB diet has to include a stimulant such as ECA no matter what so since ECA and Clen together is rather hard on your heart, so I propose you take clen for 2 weeks and then ECA for 2 weeks, Clen for 2 weeks and then ECA for 2 weeks etc.

The 2 weeks you are on clen you will not have ECA to fuel your workout so you must take in carb pre-workout, but we are talking 100-150 grams of carbs daily. So your diet will be a no carb diet for 2 weeks (ECA) then a low carb diet for 2 weeks (Clen) etc. Plain and simple.


Protocol two; This one is a little harder so DO NOT do it if you are feeling to much anxiety, BE CAREFUL.

As mentioned earlier in the thread that on a NO CARB diet one must take ECA for 2 different reasons- reason #1 to stimulate your workout and reason #2- to stimulate fat burning and appetite sup