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http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2013/01/former_mayor_ray_nagin_charged.html
LOL!!!!
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http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2013/01/former_mayor_ray_nagin_charged.html
LOL!!!!
This guy was a piece of shit, incompetent and stupid and corrupt.
He was one of the main reasons that the N.O. police department was so corrupt and useless. It was getting cleaned up and remade until Ole' Ray took over, fired the police chief, hired a buddy (because he was black, correct me if I'm wrong) and the new chief was just as corrupt as the mayor.
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This guy was a piece of shit, incompetent and stupid and corrupt.
He was one of the main reasons that the N.O. police department was so corrupt and useless. It was getting cleaned up and remade until Ole' Ray took over, fired the police chief, hired a buddy (because he was black, correct me if I'm wrong) and the new chief was just as corrupt as the mayor.
Remember when he refused to allow non-union drivers to use the busses to get the people out of there?
Nagin and Blanco were the two biggest assholes in the katrina screwup.
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Criticizing him or pointing out his alleged crimes makes you a racist.
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A corrupt Louisiana politician ?
Shocking
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Nagin was always a thug.
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Nagin was always a thug.
you think everyone is a thug
every time you say it you sound like a pussy
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you think everyone is a thug
every time you say it you sound like a pussy
What is your annual household income if you don't mind me asking?
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What is your annual household income if you don't mind me asking?
I've mentioned it on this site in the past
why do you want to know?
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I've mentioned it on this site in the past
why do you want to know?
Just tryin to solidify what I already think of Obama supporters/those who voted for him. Trust me, as a business owner, I want him to succeed now that he's in office. I didn't vote for him, but now that the election craze is over, I want him to succeed. That said, I can't see how anyone who makes over 100 grand a year votes for someone like that. I'm not even close to rich, but my wife and I made just under 300k this year, and no one I associate with who makes money like we do, or more, voted for the guy. I do however find it funny, that some people who make sub 40k a year, are in the same socio economic class as the people they dislike, and didnt vote for him. I can understand where someone who is young and makes over 75k and is hungry to make more would not vote democratic, because they see their potential. Anyway, I feel the people who are in the 100k range combined, see that as some magic number. That if you make over a certain amount you are doing it at the expense of someone else, or that you don't need that much. Anyway, just a question to see if you fit my preconceived notion of an intelligent Obama supporter, because I know you clearly aren't some ghetto welfare junky.
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Just tryin to solidify what I already think of Obama supporters/those who voted for him. Trust me, as a business owner, I want him to succeed now that he's in office. I didn't vote for him, but now that the election craze is over, I want him to succeed. That said, I can't see how anyone who makes over 100 grand a year votes for someone like that. I'm not even close to rich, but my wife and I made just under 300k this year, and no one I associate with who makes money like we do, or more, voted for the guy. I do however find it funny, that some people who make sub 40k a year, are in the same socio economic class as the people they dislike, and didnt vote for him. I can understand where someone who is young and makes over 75k and is hungry to make more would not vote democratic, because they see their potential. Anyway, I feel the people who are in the 100k range combined, see that as some magic number. That if you make over a certain amount you are doing it at the expense of someone else, or that you don't need that much. Anyway, just a question to see if you fit my preconceived notion of an intelligent Obama supporter, because I know you clearly aren't some ghetto welfare junky.
I'm self employed as well and have been since I was 24 (I'm 46 now)
Always six figures and in decent/good years multiple six figures
Nothing to really brag about. I live in the bay area and many people make 100k + and most couples that I know make 200k +
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I'm self employed as well and have been since I was 24 (I'm 46 now)
Always six figures and in decent/good years multiple six figures
Nothing to really brag about. I live in the bay area and many people make 100k + and most couples that I know make 200k +
Ok, fair enough, you shattered my expectation. Can I ask, why are you a supporter of someone who gives handouts, while obviously hard working yourself? Not attacking, as I know you can't catch the inflection from a post.
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Ok, fair enough, you shattered my expectation. Can I ask, why are you a supporter of someone who gives handouts, while obviously hard working yourself? Not attacking, as I know you can't catch the inflection from a post.
what handouts are you specifically referring to?
I think Romney would have been a disaster for the economy and especially RE Market (both of which are doing much better than when Obama took office). BTW - I think Dodd Frank sucks but putting that aside I think the Dems have done a better job with the economy and would continue to do so compared to Repubs
Too long to go into right now but I chose Obama primarily for those reasons and secondarily for because I'm in more more agreement with Dems on social issues than Repubs
Thirdly I think Romney and Repubs would have been a disaster on foreign policy
Basically there isn't a damn thing I think Romney would have done better than Obama and as I mentioned above I think he could have been MUCH worse (kind of like Bush was MUCH worse for the country than Clinton)
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You asked "what handouts", and then said you agree with dems on social issues. That's probably what I was referring to by handouts. I don't like these programs that offer handouts to the lazy. And I know corporations get huge handouts/kickbacks, but at least they are putting into the economy, and providing jobs.
I may not have agreed with everything Romney was for, but I see this country taking a wrong turn, and believed the "steering wheel" needed to be yanked back in another direction.
That said, you are a business owner, what type of business, and do you have employees? I ask, because I have a construction related company, and have 7 employees. I see these guys day in and day out, and the reason they are where they are is because they are not my equal. I know it sounds bad on paper, but it's true. Whatever reason, I was born with a different skillset than them. I have one guy, who I paid for him to get his GED, yet still doesn't put forth effort. I have guys that get rides to work everyday, because of broken cars, yet they spend money on cigarettes and beer. I am not a tyrannical boss, as I gave them all the week between Christmas and New Years off with pay, and gave them cash bonuses which I paid the taxes on. They will ask for advances on their checks, knowing I will charge interest(because it come direct from me), yet they still do it. As good as I am to them, giving them this, plus paid vacation and sick time, and they still bitch. I've had three people stay with me constantly, and they get their rewards(they take home good money), but the others are a constant turnover. I guess I just don't have sympathy for people, because I know what it takes to succeed and I know what I put in. Btw, I'm 31, and maybe this is too you g to be this jaded, but it's hard sometimes.
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You asked "what handouts", and then said you agree with dems on social issues. That's probably what I was referring to by handouts. I don't like these programs that offer handouts to the lazy. And I know corporations get huge handouts/kickbacks, but at least they are putting into the economy, and providing jobs.
I may not have agreed with everything Romney was for, but I see this country taking a wrong turn, and believed the "steering wheel" needed to be yanked back in another direction.
That said, you are a business owner, what type of business, and do you have employees? I ask, because I have a construction related company, and have 7 employees. I see these guys day in and day out, and the reason they are where they are is because they are not my equal. I know it sounds bad on paper, but it's true. Whatever reason, I was born with a different skillset than them. I have one guy, who I paid for him to get his GED, yet still doesn't put forth effort. I have guys that get rides to work everyday, because of broken cars, yet they spend money on cigarettes and beer. I am not a tyrannical boss, as I gave them all the week between Christmas and New Years off with pay, and gave them cash bonuses which I paid the taxes on. They will ask for advances on their checks, knowing I will charge interest(because it come direct from me), yet they still do it. As good as I am to them, giving them this, plus paid vacation and sick time, and they still bitch. I've had three people stay with me constantly, and they get their rewards(they take home good money), but the others are a constant turnover. I guess I just don't have sympathy for people, because I know what it takes to succeed and I know what I put in. Btw, I'm 31, and maybe this is too you g to be this jaded, but it's hard sometimes.
by social issues I'm referring to access to abortion, healthcare, womens, rights, gay rights, etc...
I still don't know what handouts you're referring to
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by social issues I'm referring to access to abortion, healthcare, womens, rights, gay rights, etc...
I still don't know what handouts you're referring to
Obamaphone, EBT, Section 8, medicaid, SSDI, food stamps, WIC, and on and on and on
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Obamaphone, EBT, Section 8, medicaid, SSDI, food stamps, WIC, and on and on and on
I didn't ask you
I already know your delusions so let Irongrip speak for himself
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http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2013/01/former_mayor_ray_nagin_charged.html
LOL!!!!
Is this the guy that was talking about strong arming the gun shops?
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I didn't ask you
I already know your delusions so let Irongrip speak for himself
I would say WIC, Medicaid, SS are all needed. No sense in letting people suffer, especially children, they didn't bring themselves into this world. But, the welfare programs, section 8 housing, and government waste in general need to be out in check. I do a lot of work on the government side, and the amount of waste is atrocious, and it's because no one is accountable for the screw ups. But yes, when I think handouts, I am talking about the programs I listed. And, it's not a racial thing. I'm white, but I don't think blacks are sub human, but I really think that culturally, through whatever the reasons, they tend to not be able to get out of the system once they are in, no one shows them. It is what causes the divide in the country. It's not about race, it's about class, but most in those situations are too ignorant or lazy to pull themselves out. I tell you what though, I would have no problem helpin the poor more (I donate a few grand a year to charities, not including furniture/clothing donations), if the government trimmed its fat. If we didn't have to give money to government waste, and I'm not talking military spending because that's necessary, but the over payment and inefficiency of our civil servants is out of control.
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I would say WIC, Medicaid, SS are all needed. No sense in letting people suffer, especially children, they didn't bring themselves into this world. But, the welfare programs, section 8 housing, and government waste in general need to be out in check. I do a lot of work on the government side, and the amount of waste is atrocious, and it's because no one is accountable for the screw ups. But yes, when I think handouts, I am talking about the programs I listed. And, it's not a racial thing. I'm white, but I don't think blacks are sub human, but I really think that culturally, through whatever the reasons, they tend to not be able to get out of the system once they are in, no one shows them. It is what causes the divide in the country. It's not about race, it's about class, but most in those situations are too ignorant or lazy to pull themselves out. I tell you what though, I would have no problem helpin the poor more (I donate a few grand a year to charities, not including donations), if the government trimmed its fat. If we didn't have to give money to government waste, and I'm not talking military spending because that's necessary, but the over payment and inefficiency of our civil servants is out of control.
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Section 8 housing started in 1937 and continued under every POTUS so no idea how that could be called an Obama handout
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I have a construction related company, and have 7 employees. I see these guys day in and day out, and the reason they are where they are is because they are not my equal. I know it sounds bad on paper, but it's true. Whatever reason, I was born with a different skillset than them. I have one guy, who I paid for him to get his GED, yet still doesn't put forth effort. I have guys that get rides to work everyday, because of broken cars, yet they spend money on cigarettes and beer. I am not a tyrannical boss, as I gave them all the week between Christmas and New Years off with pay, and gave them cash bonuses which I paid the taxes on. They will ask for advances on their checks, knowing I will charge interest(because it come direct from me), yet they still do it. As good as I am to them, giving them this, plus paid vacation and sick time, and they still bitch. I've had three people stay with me constantly, and they get their rewards(they take home good money), but the others are a constant turnover. I guess I just don't have sympathy for people, because I know what it takes to succeed and I know what I put in. Btw, I'm 31, and maybe this is too you g to be this jaded, but it's hard sometimes.
So are all people bad, or just the ones that work for you?
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So are all people bad, or just the ones that work for you?
No, not at all, they wouldn't work for me long if they were. But, for one reason or another, whether it be bad choices made in adolescence (i.e. not finishing school, getting pregnant at 15 etc) or just a general lack of drive, there are people who decide to give up. I guess the better question would be, is this the price paid for success or being successful. That, because of the hierarchy of things, are there just always going to be haves/have nots, doers/do nots. My employees aren't terrible people, I wouldn't hire them if they were. I just don't get what makes some people have a drive to succeed, or have a sense of pride, and others just don't really care. I hired a guy who had been in prison for 5 years for drug trafficking. I tried to give him a chance, multiple chances, and the guy ended up screwing me over. But, that's not to say I wouldn't give another person with a checkered past a shot.
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Section 8 housing started in 1937 and continued under every POTUS so no idea how that could be called an Obama handout
I didn't call it an Obama handout, just that most on those type of assistance programs are supporters of his. Like I said in an earlier post, I don't think all of the programs are bad, nor do I think all of the people taking from those programs are shit bags, I just think it is time we take a look at some, if not all government spending if we really want to get out of the situation we are in.
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No, not at all, they wouldn't work for me long if they were. But, for one reason or another, whether it be bad choices made in adolescence (i.e. not finishing school, getting pregnant at 15 etc) or just a general lack of drive, there are people who decide to give up. I guess the better question would be, is this the price paid for success or being successful. That, because of the hierarchy of things, are there just always going to be haves/have nots, doers/do nots. My employees aren't terrible people, I wouldn't hire them if they were. I just don't get what makes some people have a drive to succeed, or have a sense of pride, and others just don't really care. I hired a guy who had been in prison for 5 years for drug trafficking. I tried to give him a chance, multiple chances, and the guy ended up screwing me over. But, that's not to say I wouldn't give another person with a checkered past a shot.
Could it be a reflection of your judgment, or is that out of the question?
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Unfortunately, the US budget is unable to sustain the costs of running entitlement programs such as social security, Medicaid/Medicare, and other forms of public assistance, including veterans' affairs. Over half of Americans are receiving some sort of government subsidy.
Whether you support the programs or not, they are unsustainable in their present form and require serious changes in how they are administered.
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Could it be a reflection of your judgment, or is that out of the question?
Not unless everybody else in the industry suffers from the same inability to get good help. I think it has more to do with the fact that the market won't bare the costs that would be associated with hiring "great" people. Trust me, I have paid as much as $17 an hour for labor, and the type of people in the industry are not going out there and splitting atoms. But, we are getting a bit off the subject, and I am sure that in your white collar job, you don't get to see the same type of people I do being in the construction industry. But, that's just an assumption. May I ask, and this is without any sarcasm or ire, do you do for a living?
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Not unless everybody else in the industry suffers from the same inability to get good help. I think it has more to do with the fact that the market won't bare the costs that would be associated with hiring "great" people. Trust me, I have paid as much as $17 an hour for labor, and the type of people in the industry are not going out there and splitting atoms. But, we are getting a bit off the subject, and I am sure that in your white collar job, you don't get to see the same type of people I do being in the construction industry. But, that's just an assumption. May I ask, and this is without any sarcasm or ire, do you do for a living?
I'm lost as to what you're trying to say, bro. Please help me understand. Are you attempting to make a statement about poorer people?
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Please just come out and say it, if that's what you're getting at. You don't have to be "politically correct" here.
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Please just come out and say it, if that's what you're getting at. You don't have to be "politically correct" here.
Poor people were not really the direct target of the original topic, they just happened to get caught in the cross fire. My opinion on poor people though, if that's what you're asking, is that most of them are there because of their own doing. Not saying there aren't exceptions, because there are. But it was more to the corruption/lack of accountablity in all forms of government spending/programs. They all need some sort of revamp. You can read my posts at the beginning of the thread to get what I am talking about.
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Poor people were not really the direct target of the original topic, they just happened to get caught in the cross fire. My opinion on poor people though, if that's what you're asking, is that most of them are there because of their own doing. Not saying there aren't exceptions, because there are. But it was more to the corruption/lack of accountablity in all forms of government spending/programs. They all need some sort of revamp. You can read my posts at the beginning of the thread to get what I am talking about.
Would it be fair to say that, generally, income level is linked with something similar to morality, and it is on an up-down scale?
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Would it be fair to say that, generally, income level is linked with something similar to morality, and it is on an up-down scale?
Not sure which way you're referring to the scale sliding. Are you saying poor people are bad, or rich people are bad? I would like to think, that most people, rich or poor, are generally trying to get through life in a moral way, but that's not to say people don't stumble. But, like I said earlier, I would much rather my money be wasted by being given to the poor/lazy/handicapped/have nots, or whatever you want to call them, than for money to be frivolously wasted by our government on other things. We're getting a bit off track here, but I do genuinely like hearing other people's opinion on things. I could go on and on about how I see money wasted on projects I've been on, money that could have been used elsewhere. I have also been on job sites, in section 8 housing projects, that you would be shocked at how some of the people get over on the system. I guess in the corporate world, this would be called "leakage".
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Not sure which way you're referring to the scale sliding. Are you saying poor people are bad, or rich people are bad? I would like to think, that most people, rich or poor, are generally trying to get through life in a moral way, but that's not to say people don't stumble. But, like I said earlier, I would much rather my money be wasted by being given to the poor/lazy/handicapped/have nots, or whatever you want to call them, than for money to be frivolously wasted by our government on other things. We're getting a bit off track here, but I do genuinely like hearing other people's opinion on things. I could go on and on about how I see money wasted on projects I've been on, money that could have been used elsewhere. I have also been on job sites, in section 8 housing projects, that you would be shocked at how some of the people get over on the system. I guess in the corporate world, this would be called "leakage".
I hear you, bro. It seems people generally share similar priorities, if they can just communicate outside of the haze.
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I didn't ask you
I already know your delusions so let Irongrip speak for himself
Then maybe you need to take it to email. This is a forum with many people participating
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The New York Times | BREAKING NEWS ALERT
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BREAKING NEWS Wednesday, February 12, 2014 2:06 PM EST
Nagin, Former New Orleans Mayor, Guilty of Corruption Charges
Former Mayor C. Ray Nagin of New Orleans was found guilty on Wednesday of accepting payoffs for city contracts, becoming the first leader in the city’s history to be charged and convicted of corruption.
The jury deliberated for about six and a half hours in total before finding Mr. Nagin, 57, the Democratic mayor for two terms and the face of the city’s leadership during the Hurricane Katrina disaster, guilty in 20 of the 21 counts against him.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/13/us/nagin-corruption-verdict.html?emc=edit_na_20140212
Typical
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BREAKING NEWS Wednesday, July 9, 2014 11:20 AM EDT
C. Ray Nagin, Former New Orleans Mayor, Sentenced to 10 Years
C. Ray Nagin, the former mayor of New Orleans who was convicted in February on corruption charges, was sentenced to 10 years in prison on Wednesday in federal court in New Orleans.
Mr. Nagin was found guilty in February on 20 counts, most relating to kickbacks from contractors looking for city work. Judge Ginger Berrigan of United States District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana will determine the sentence, which could be lengthy even if she mostly hews to federal sentencing guidelines.
Mr. Nagin, a Democrat, was arrested in January 2013, nearly three years after he left office. He was charged with taking kickbacks in the form of cash, cross-country trips or help with the family-run granite countertop company; the bribes were handed out by men looking for city business ranging from software supplies to sidewalk repair. Many of the schemes, though not all, took place after Hurricane Katrina, when contractors crowded into the city for rebuilding work.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/10/us/ray-nagin-former-new-orleans-mayor.html?emc=edit_na_20140709
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Hmmmmmm..........Katerin a was all bush's fault right? Thousands of buses ready to go and Ol' ray had already left the building.
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Then maybe you need to take it to email. This is a forum with many people participating
Were it almost any other person except Soul Crusher and I'd probably agree with you.
Check out SC's post count and don't forget to add that number to eleventy-zillion posts he made when he called himself 333386.
If you do that, you'd likely understand that many here are completely familiar with his views.
I, for one, am happy to read this serious and sincere discussion between IrongGrip, Straw, and Jack T.