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Title: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Montague on January 18, 2013, 10:39:34 AM
I think that a lot of us here have been fans for a good part of our lives - many/most of us since childhood.

Those of us in that category certainly miss "the good old days" of wrestling. A large part of that time was the way we watched the shows - not as we do now, but through youthful, innocent, naive eyes; back when you thought that King Kong Bundy might actually kill Hulk Hogan, and you genuinely feared for your life when Ox Baker would chase after you and other fans in the local armory.

This thread is dedicated to your "Kayfabe memories." Post up your favorite stories from yesteryear, the way you saw them at the time they happened and what you thought of them.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Montague on January 18, 2013, 10:42:03 AM
I'll start things off...

I was a little kid watching one of the non-WWF shows; this would have been in the early 80's. We didn't get much exposure to anything beyond McMahon-land, so I didn't know most of the characters. I did recognize Terry Funk. He was in the ring choking someone with a plastic shopping bag.
This was pure bad-assery to me then because, as little kids, we're taught to never put bags over our heads. My Mom & Dad had told me that wrestling was make-believe, but I didn't see how you could fake anything like this.

To top it off, my aunt had just delivered my first little cousin a few months earlier. Coincidentally, I remember her making a big fuss that a plastic shopping bag wound up on the floor while we were at her house, and she flipped out over the dangers of it with the baby now crawling around.

All these factors lead to this angle being some edgy shit in my book.
But, I live a very limited life. 8)



Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: littleguns on January 19, 2013, 04:04:37 AM
Monty, nice thread.

I remember going to my first show, it was an AWA in 86 at my HS. After the shows we waited around to get autographs, pics etc and true to form, the faces hung around chatting with us, pics, autographs (Rick Martel, Scott Hall {poofy hair days} and a few others where the heels basically told us to get lost (PS Hayes, Baron Von Rasche) and high tailed out of their. It didn't dawn on me they were living their persona but rather they were douche bags.

2nd time was was at James L Knight Center in Miami, Dad surprised me with tickets to an NWA show. Needless to say it was a War Games; I believe, there was a barb wire ring match and a few others, Dusty, Flair, Tully, Nikita etc were on the card, let's just say that there was color almost every match. I had only been exposed to TV and never saw Blood before for this. Needless to say I was ecstatic. My Dad kept saying it was fake blood but looking back, they definitely bladed.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Montague on January 19, 2013, 03:15:40 PM
Thanks, brother!
And, nice story.

I look back with great fondness upon many of the wrestling memories from my childhood. Certain things I can recall in such vivid detail; the mark in me "relives" them, while the "smart" fan can appreciate entirely different aspects today.

Does anyone remember when Rick McGraw died? His last televised match was with Roddy Piper, who very thoroughly kicked his - in a working fashion - all over the inside and outside of the ring. It didn't take long for the Apter magazines to plaster headlines reading, "Did Roddy Piper Kill Rick McGraw?"
Soon, it was all over the wrestling AP that Piper's beating may have lead to McGraw's untimely passing. Of course, I don't recall Vince's own press running the story, but I'm quite certain he didn't mind the publicity one bit.

See, as a kid, I bought into the story hook, line, and sinker. After all, you can't fake DEATH. And, they weren't blaming Roddy, but suggesting the possibility of what may have happened.

Eventually, the story ran its course. I guess the public conveniently never questioned why there was never a criminal case put together to prosecute Piper. I wonder if/how many fans became skeptical when Piper headlined a benefit show for McGraw's family a short time later.

When I think about that whole series of events today, it makes me appreciate the way the business was presented and, to a degree, protected via kayfabe; the way that the line between reality and fiction was so convincingly blurred. Also, knowing now that Roddy and Rick were friends prior to his passing, I see and respect the camaraderie that is maybe not as strong in today's business/society.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Montague on January 20, 2013, 05:12:50 AM
I told this story once before on here; it concerns the time when my parents smartened me up about wrestling.


I was a little kid when Roddy Piper smashed a coconut across Jimmy Snuka’s head. Really, I was too young to appreciate the “magnitude” of the act. I only knew that Snuka wasn't right in the head, and Piper was a no good prick.

Well, my Dad brought home a real coconut from the grocery store for me to see up close.
He gave me a hammer, a brick – had me banging the thing against a stone wall in our yard.
He wasn’t kayfabing me – just teaching me how fukking hard a coconut actually is – and, presumably, how ridiculous is the idea of someone hitting another person in the head with one without killing them.

*My parents taught me at a very young age the difference between real and make believe. They made sure I knew that things seen in movies (and - gasp - wrestling) are “pretend.”




* If more parents spent more time teaching their kids these types of lessons rather than trying to sue Vince and petitioning companies to cease advertising during wrestling broadcasts, maybe there wouldn’t be so many accidents to blame on wrestling.



Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: njflex on January 22, 2013, 04:29:12 PM
watching muraco /snuka cage match and seeing as adult realizing that as impressive a move it was its plain to see muraco sit up to lessen the splash and fall back onto mat to sell it,,,as a kid was cool to see cause it seemed they hated each other,,,backlund/snuka similar scenario this time snauka missed as backlund rolled over but jimmy landed hard i guess knew how to tuck legs last second but it looked like a great miss and baclund lunged out the cage door,another 80's gem sheik/slaughter boot camp match beating each other bloody till sarge whacked him with 'loaded'sheik boot.roddy piper face/bad guy was great had that snarling face look of hate and disdain for opponent or the sarcastic grin he had like 'cmon bring it'he was great at taking falls,hung in rope ,mid air dazed from blows punches and then falling face down,,makes u laugh today realizing flair/adrian adonis every single match thrown into corner and flipping upside down like every opponent could toss your body to corner to create it and u can't stop from 'flip'upside down,,flair did it cool tho land back up then around ringside pole then he get clotheslined every time.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Montague on January 22, 2013, 05:55:28 PM
sheik/slaughter boot camp match beating each other bloody till sarge whacked him with 'loaded'sheik boot.


Ha-ha...Yes, the dreaded "loaded boot!"
Didn't he stomp his foot as if to "shift the load" to the front in preparation for kicking his opponent?

You also mentioned Adrian. As a kid, I didn't recognize it. But, watching Adonis now, I can say that - at his heaviest - Adonis was a true athlete. The way he moved in the ring was an amazing testament to his skill as a worker.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: njflex on January 22, 2013, 06:47:54 PM

Ha-ha...Yes, the dreaded "loaded boot!"
Didn't he stomp his foot as if to "shift the load" to the front in preparation for kicking his opponent?

You also mentioned Adrian. As a kid, I didn't recognize it. But, watching Adonis now, I can say that - at his heaviest - Adonis was a true athlete. The way he moved in the ring was an amazing testament to his skill as a worker.
the 'adorable'one as gorilla called him was agile ,,,


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Montague on January 24, 2013, 04:53:56 AM
the 'adorable'one as gorilla called him was agile ,,,


Gorilla was no Gordon Solie, but I liked him better than most other announcers. Some observers liken Jim Ross to Solie, but I consider Monsoon's "delivery" to be closer.

Some of Ross' excitement seemed a little "forced" at times. Vince started out in his Dad's company as an announcer, but used to make me sick when he damn near wore out the word, "UNBELIEVABLE" in the mid-90's. Tony Schiavone wasn't that good, although he seemed somewhat better back in JCP when he was a little more humble. Joey Styles was also good, but had some Jim Ross-type sensationalistic moments.

These are just some observations of face announcers from when I was younger.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: njflex on January 24, 2013, 09:26:31 AM

Gorilla was no Gordon Solie, but I liked him better than most other announcers. Some observers liken Jim Ross to Solie, but I consider Monsoon's "delivery" to be closer.

Some of Ross' excitement seemed a little "forced" at times. Vince started out in his Dad's company as an announcer, but used to make me sick when he damn near wore out the word, "UNBELIEVABLE" in the mid-90's. Tony Schiavone wasn't that good, although he seemed somewhat better back in JCP when he was a little more humble. Joey Styles was also good, but had some Jim Ross-type sensationalistic moments.

These are just some observations of face announcers from when I was younger.
solie was a trip.can't forget bill mercer southwest championship wrestling,,drooled over the von erichs and freebirds drove him nuts.guy from awa forgot name was good too,lord alfred hayes was annoying.vince would do the garden matches and go apeshit..gorilla/heenan were great.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Montague on January 24, 2013, 10:54:45 AM
gorilla/heenan were great.


They had a special chemistry together. Did you watch the old Prime Time Wrestling shows they hosted?


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: njflex on January 24, 2013, 11:24:20 AM

They had a special chemistry together. Did you watch the old Prime Time Wrestling shows they hosted?
OF COURSE HYSTERICAL,GREAT BANTER,HEENAN WOULD GET HAMMERED BY GORILLA THEN LOOK AT GORILLA AND 'SAY UR SERIOUS ABOUT SO AND SO AND THEN FLIP HIS PENCIL IN THE AIR...


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: The Showstoppa on January 24, 2013, 01:41:04 PM
I've told this one on here many times, but another round it is....


I remember watching Abdullah the Butcher hack up Wahoo McDaniels with a fork.  Abbie was hired by Roddy Piper to do the job....  they blocked out the blood, which made it only look worse to me.... I was convinced that Wahoo was dead.  My mom assured me otherwise and she was right.  8)


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Montague on January 24, 2013, 01:43:09 PM
I've told this one on here many times, but another round it is....


I remember watching Abdullah the Butcher hack up Wahoo McDaniels with a fork.  Abbie was hired by Roddy Piper to do the job....  they blocked out the blood, which made it only look worse to me.... I was convinced that Wahoo was dead.  My mom assured me otherwise and she was right.  8)


LOL!!
Was that when you ran crying to you Mom that Abdullah killed Wahoo?


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: njflex on January 24, 2013, 01:48:26 PM
PAPA SHANGO PUTTING SPELL ON ULTIMATE WARRIOR,PALL BEARER AND UNDERTAKER PUTTING ULTIMATE WARRIOR IS CASKET AND LEAVING HIM AND ALL THE OFFICIALS RENE GOULET LOL HAMMERING THE CASKET OPEN TO FIND SWEATY UNRESPONSIVE WARRIOR ,THEY DID CHEST PUMPS AND FINALLY HE COUGHED BACK TO LIFE,THE TOP OF CAKET SCRATCHED AND CLAWED TO PIECES....OH THE ULTIMATE ONE,,,,ALWAYS LIKED THE OTHER TERRITORIES THAT DID THE FLAME BALL IN THE EYES,,


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: LurkerNoMore on February 01, 2013, 09:52:26 AM
The first time I heard of a Texas Death Match, I thought it would end with a honest to goodness death.   Yeah, I was 6 at the time. 


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: The Showstoppa on February 01, 2013, 11:26:44 AM

LOL!!
Was that when you ran crying to you Mom that Abdullah killed Wahoo?

I WASNT"T CRYING !!!!! I was helping her cut up some onions with the topic came up.   ;D


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Montague on February 01, 2013, 11:34:57 AM
I WASNT"T CRYING !!!!! I was helping her cut up some onions with the topic came up.   ;D


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Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: littleguns on February 01, 2013, 12:19:16 PM
I WASNT"T CRYING !!!!! I was helping her cut up some onions with the topic came up.   ;D

Don't you mean your eyes were sweating? ;D ;D ;D

Who can't forget when Macho Man was caught in the ropes and the snake bit him...gotta love the censored"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbv54NTqEmo

When you think about it, lots of great segments with Jake.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: The Showstoppa on February 03, 2013, 12:56:29 PM
Don't you mean your eyes were sweating? ;D ;D ;D

Who can't forget when Macho Man was caught in the ropes and the snake bit him...gotta love the censored"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbv54NTqEmo

When you think about it, lots of great segments with Jake.

Did you ever catch any of Jake when he was in Florida with Sullivan before the WWF?  It was downright scary stuff in those days.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: OLE BIG on February 06, 2013, 09:31:51 AM
Great topic.  I have 3 off the top of my head that really affected me.

1) After they were tag champions, Flair and Mulligan had a feud.  I loved Flair, but knew in my mind, he couldn't handle Mulligan.  Early in the show, Flair came out wearing Mulligan's hat.  As the show was going off, Mulligan came out wearing Flair's robe.  I was devastated, and just knew he was dead.  My grandmother had to try and convince me he was okay.  Looking back, I know how hard that was for her, because she was a total mark as well.  For the record, she still is.

2) I was 14 or 15 when Race put the bounty on Flair and Slater broke his leg.  I was laying on the couch, and my mom and dad were watching too. Being a tough kid, I was trying to hold back my tears, and not let them know I was crying.  I peaked over my shoulder and my dad was crying too.

3)  When Valentine broke Wahoo's leg and wore the t-shirt around that said as much for weeks.  That is classic!!


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: njflex on February 06, 2013, 09:56:03 AM
RAY THE CRIPPLER STEVEN'S PILEDRIVING JIMMY SNUKA ON CONCRETE FLOOR NUMEROUS TIMES,,SNUKA WORE BRACE ,,REVENGE MATCH AGAINST STEVENS WAS BLOODBATH IF I RECALL.
SGT SLAUGHTER WHIPPING BOB BACKLUND REPEATEDLY WITH RIDING CROP AND MARKS ON BACKLUNDS BODY
ULTIMATE WARRIOR UNDERTAKER/PAPA SHANGO ANGLES ,,WARRIOR UNDER SPELL OR BEING BURIED BY TAKER,,


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Montague on February 06, 2013, 10:24:46 AM
(http://www.midatlanticgateway.com/resourcecenter/interviews/valentine/images/Wahoos_Leg_color.jpg)


 8)


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: The Showstoppa on February 06, 2013, 11:48:10 AM
CLASSIC ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  8)


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Montague on February 06, 2013, 11:58:12 AM
CLASSIC ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  8)


I've seen them for sale. If I lived about one state closer to yours, I'd probably buy & wear one! ;D

There's a retro culture store up here that sells old-school Macho Man t-shirts - the purple one with a silhouette of Randy's face with his trademark Swatch Shield shades. I'm pretty sure it's a bootleg, but not sure. It's well-made, though.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Montague on February 06, 2013, 12:16:06 PM
RAY THE CRIPPLER STEVEN'S PILEDRIVING JIMMY SNUKA ON CONCRETE FLOOR NUMEROUS TIMES,,SNUKA WORE BRACE ,,REVENGE MATCH AGAINST STEVENS WAS BLOODBATH IF I RECALL.
SGT SLAUGHTER WHIPPING BOB BACKLUND REPEATEDLY WITH RIDING CROP AND MARKS ON BACKLUNDS BODY
ULTIMATE WARRIOR UNDERTAKER/PAPA SHANGO ANGLES ,,WARRIOR UNDER SPELL OR BEING BURIED BY TAKER,,


Ray Stevens is a name that is hardly mentioned these days, which is a shame because he was such a good worker, and fairly well-known at the time. He was an inspiration to many future performers.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: njflex on February 06, 2013, 12:36:06 PM

Ray Stevens is a name that is hardly mentioned these days, which is a shame because he was such a good worker, and fairly well-known at the time. He was an inspiration to many future performers.
I REMEMBER WHEN CRIPPLER ATTACKED HIM AND SNUKA WAS A VILLIAN THEN,BUDDY ROGERS TOOK SNUKA UNDER HIS WING AND SNUKA BECAME FAN FAVORITE.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: OLE BIG on February 06, 2013, 02:30:45 PM
(http://www.midatlanticgateway.com/resourcecenter/interviews/valentine/images/Wahoos_Leg_color.jpg)


 8)

One of the best ever.

I used to wear one that said I broke Stoppa's spirit to the gym.  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Montague on February 06, 2013, 02:32:53 PM
One of the best ever.

I used to wear one that said I broke Stoppa's spirit to the gym.  ;D ;D ;D


LMAO!!!


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: The Showstoppa on February 06, 2013, 07:01:55 PM
One of the best ever.

I used to wear one that said I broke Stoppa's spirit to the gym.  ;D ;D ;D

Yeah, why don't you go back to jogging around H-town.....  ;D


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: njflex on February 08, 2013, 07:41:57 AM
SOMEONE MENTION G/O BOARD KEN PATERA,,,REMEMBER IN WWF COME IN WITH OLYMPIC TRACK SUIT ON AND AS HE REMOVED PANTS CROWD WOULD WHISTLE AND HE BRING THEM BACK UP AND WORK CROWD,,LATER ON 80'S HE BECAME FACE ,I THINK THEY WORKED ANGLE HE WAS IN PRISON ?WAS THAT ACTUAL IN HIS PAST OR GIMMICK.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Montague on February 08, 2013, 10:41:06 AM
SOMEONE MENTION G/O BOARD KEN PATERA,,,REMEMBER IN WWF COME IN WITH OLYMPIC TRACK SUIT ON AND AS HE REMOVED PANTS CROWD WOULD WHISTLE AND HE BRING THEM BACK UP AND WORK CROWD,,LATER ON 80'S HE BECAME FACE ,I THINK THEY WORKED ANGLE HE WAS IN PRISON ?WAS THAT ACTUAL IN HIS PAST OR GIMMICK.


Patera & Saito were in AWA - I think this was around 1983, or so. They pulled up to a McDonald's after hours wanting to order food. Upon being turned down, the two men allegedly threw a rock through the restaurant's window, then left.

Later, at their hotel, police confronted the two men, who proceeded to "assault" the officers and, apparently, their dog, too.

It was over a year later that Ken was ordered to serve his sentence. By that time, he was working as a heel in the Fed. Of course, by this time Vince was of the belief that any publicity is good publicity, so they put Ken on the back burner.

Vince got a huge chub when Patera's time was up, and planned a big comeback for him with release of a special documentary tape through Coliseum Video, as well as a big face push pitting him against the Heenan Family, and leading to a run with the big belt.
Those plans were scrapped after Patera ruptured a biceps tendon and had to wear a brace that limited his ring work. He was relegated to serving as enhancement talent, and eventually left the company.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: njflex on February 08, 2013, 10:46:02 AM

Patera & Saito were in AWA - I think this was around 1983, or so. They pulled up to a McDonald's after hours wanting to order food. Upon being turned down, the two men allegedly threw a rock through the restaurant's window, then left.

Later, at their hotel, police confronted the two men, who proceeded to "assault" the officers and, apparently, their dog, too.

It was over a year later that Ken was ordered to serve his sentence. By that time, he was working as a heel in the Fed. Of course, by this time Vince was of the belief that any publicity is good publicity, so they put Ken on the back burner.

Vince got a huge chub when Patera's time was up, and planned a big comeback for him with release of a special documentary tape through Coliseum Video, as well as a big face push pitting him against the Heenan Family, and leading to a run with the big belt.
Those plans were scrapped after Patera ruptured a biceps tendon and had to wear a brace that limited his ring work. He was relegated to serving as enhancement talent, and eventually left the company.
THANX  ,,,YES AWA ALWAYS FORGET AWA HAD GREAT TALENT,,PATERA/SAITO WERE BIG THERE,,,JERRY BLACKWELL,GAGNE,SHEIK,BARON VON RASCHE,BOCKWINKEL,HEENAN,ADONIS,VENTURA WAS THERE A BIT,RUDE,HENNIG...SOME TALENT,,


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Montague on February 08, 2013, 10:59:22 AM
THANX  ,,,YES AWA ALWAYS FORGET AWA HAD GREAT TALENT,,PATERA/SAITO WERE BIG THERE,,,JERRY BLACKWELL,GAGNE,SHEIK,BARON VON RASCHE,BOCKWINKEL,HEENAN,ADONIS,VENTURA WAS THERE A BIT,RUDE,HENNIG...SOME TALENT,,


When Vince took over the WWWF from his Dad, I think he got proportionately more talent from Verne's promotion than any other territory. To your list, add Snuka, Andre, Hogan, Oakerlund, Schultz, Graham, Resnick, and a bunch of others I know we're forgetting.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: njflex on February 08, 2013, 11:02:50 AM

When Vince took over the WWWF from his Dad, I think he got proportionately more talent from Verne's promotion than any other territory. To your list, add Snuka, Andre, Hogan, Oakerlund, Schultz, Graham, Resnick, and a bunch of others I know we're forgetting.
YEAH 1ST 4 A GIVEN,,ORNDORFF CAME FROM NWA..BILLY GRAHAM WENT MIDLANTIC,WWF,AWA,FLORIDA NWA.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: OLE BIG on February 09, 2013, 09:50:41 AM
Yeah, why don't you go back to jogging around H-town.....  ;D

I told you son, I got big enough that I don't have to run.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: The Showstoppa on February 10, 2013, 07:08:36 PM
I told you son, I got big enough that I don't  have to can't run.


 ;D


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Obvious Gimmick on March 02, 2013, 04:33:05 PM
I remember one time in the 80s. DIck murdoch came out, before he entered the ring, he took his frOnt teeth out, put them on a table, went into the ring, beat some jobber in a minute, left the ring, put his teeth in and walked backstage. All comPletely expressionless. I was like "this is the toughest man that ever lived" :D


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Montague on March 02, 2013, 04:36:06 PM
I remember one time in the 80s. DIck murdoch came out, before he entered the ring, he took his frOnt teeth out, put them on a table, went into the ring, beat some jobber in a minute, left the ring, put his teeth in and walked backstage. All comPletely expressionless. I was like "this is the toughest man that ever lived" :D


Nice!!
Murdoch was also Godfather to one of our mods on this board.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Obvious Gimmick on March 02, 2013, 04:46:31 PM

Nice!!
Murdoch was also Godfather to one of our mods on this board.

I've heard that before. He was the best: him and Adonis were great.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Montague on March 02, 2013, 05:05:31 PM
I've heard that before. He was the best: him and Adonis were great.


Adonis moved great for his size.
A lot of people cite Bam-Bam as one of the best athletic big men, but Adonis deserves his own accolades.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: leonp1981 on March 02, 2013, 05:07:59 PM
The snake biting Macho sticks in my mind, as well as Jannetty going through the window.  Both of those were pretty real to me at the time (that friggin' snake was crazy, I'm surprised Macho never fell on it when he was flailing about!)  Strangely Mountie vs Big Boss Man with one of them going to jail?  Not sure why I remember that one.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Montague on March 02, 2013, 05:09:59 PM
The snake biting Macho sticks in my mind, as well as Jannetty going through the window.  Both of those were pretty real to me at the time (that friggin' snake was crazy, I'm surprised Macho never fell on it when he was flailing about!)  Strangely Mountie vs Big Boss Man with one of them going to jail?  Not sure why I remember that one.


Holy shit, brother!!!
Where have you been hiding?

Good to see you back!


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: littleguns on March 03, 2013, 06:33:57 AM
How about Big Show riding his father's coffin being pulled by Bossman......couldn't believe how realistic that was  :P


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 04, 2013, 06:13:45 AM
When Stevens gave Snuka those piledrivers, Snuka sold them like an expert.   You almost felt sick to your stomach watching him writh and twitch on the floor with the big puddle of blood spreading around him.  Everyone should watch that clip.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Montague on March 04, 2013, 06:21:26 AM
When Stevens gave Snuka those piledrivers, Snuka sold them like an expert.   You almost felt sick to your stomach watching him writh and twitch on the floor with the big puddle of blood spreading around him.  Everyone should watch that clip.


That was one of those times that very effectively blurred the line between reality and fiction. Even many of the skeptics had to question at least the possibility that something went wrong and Snuka was legitimately hurt.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Krankenstein on March 04, 2013, 06:22:16 AM

Patera & Saito were in AWA - I think this was around 1983, or so. They pulled up to a McDonald's after hours wanting to order food. Upon being turned down, the two men allegedly threw a rock through the restaurant's window, then left.

Later, at their hotel, police confronted the two men, who proceeded to "assault" the officers and, apparently, their dog, too.

It was over a year later that Ken was ordered to serve his sentence. By that time, he was working as a heel in the Fed. Of course, by this time Vince was of the belief that any publicity is good publicity, so they put Ken on the back burner.

Vince got a huge chub when Patera's time was up, and planned a big comeback for him with release of a special documentary tape through Coliseum Video, as well as a big face push pitting him against the Heenan Family, and leading to a run with the big belt.
Those plans were scrapped after Patera ruptured a biceps tendon and had to wear a brace that limited his ring work. He was relegated to serving as enhancement talent, and eventually left the company.

I am originally from Waukeha and I know that McDonalds very well.  My friend was working that night.  The rock was huge.  Think just a little smaller than the smallest atlas stone in a WSM.  Right through the drive through window.  Awesome  LOL  My buddy called me when he got home.  


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 05, 2013, 10:32:00 AM
Everything I saw the old mags with pics of the Shiek and his pencil, or blinding someone with the powder or throwing a fireball... I would think "why does anyone even bother to wrestle him at all?"



Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Montague on March 05, 2013, 10:56:40 AM
I am originally from Waukeha and I know that McDonalds very well.  My friend was working that night.  The rock was huge.  Think just a little smaller than the smallest atlas stone in a WSM.  Right through the drive through window.  Awesome  LOL  My buddy called me when he got home.  


Yes, sir; prior to the vagification of Western society, there were some legitimately crazy bastards in the business back then.

I remember riding in the car with New Jack about ten years ago (man, time flies). He tried to come off as that type, but it was overdone. He tried too hard, and the "act" was obvious. I always thought it was a little silly to kayfabe the locker room.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Hulkster on March 24, 2013, 07:58:03 PM
another good one was Outlaw Ron Bass cutting up Brutus Beefcake's head with the spurs, 'injuring him' and setting up the Ultimate Warrior to take his place and beat Honkey for the IC title at Summerslam 88

brutus bled like a stuck pig, as JR would say


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Montague on March 25, 2013, 01:43:13 AM
another good one was Outlaw Ron Bass cutting up Brutus Beefcake's head with the spurs, 'injuring him' and setting up the Ultimate Warrior to take his place and beat Honkey for the IC title at Summerslam 88

brutus bled like a stuck pig, as JR would say


I remember watching that on Superstars and cursing that damn red "X" they imposed on the screen. I was about 11 years old, and I wanted blood!! ;D


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: leonp1981 on March 30, 2013, 01:03:18 PM
Holy shit, brother!!!
Where have you been hiding?

Good to see you back!

Knocking about, but I don't get time to post much these days.  I'm doing 90+ hours a week at work these days, so when I'm not working I'm usually sleeping/eating/driving to work!


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Montague on March 30, 2013, 02:43:22 PM
Knocking about, but I don't get time to post much these days.  I'm doing 90+ hours a week at work these days, so when I'm not working I'm usually sleeping/eating/driving to work!


 :o


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: leonp1981 on March 30, 2013, 03:36:38 PM

 :o

Tell me about it!  I run a couple of businesses, so it's a lot of time at our premises, plus weekends away at conventions as well.  I've got a week off in June, can't wait to just sit in the sun for a few days.



Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Powerlift66 on June 18, 2013, 12:20:06 PM
I remember being horrified when Larry turned on Bruno and Bruno bled  :D
Also, on WWWF, they used to bring out "The Wolfman" in chains, he would make someone bleed, yes, then the "X" would block out the picture.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Karl Kox on August 10, 2013, 04:37:06 AM
Power and Glory dropping that chain in Shawn Micheals leg and leaving poor Marty Jannetty to wrestle the whole match by himself was just fucking evil! Little me was horrified. Then! THE ROCKERS BROKE UP AND SHAWN MICHEALS STARTED WEARING A LEATHER JACKET AND WAS A BAD GUY!!!

Before I was Smart.


On a side note I was in the dressing room and saw Tito Santana and The Warlord talking to each other and did not understand it. They Hated each other! Right!?!?!

Well I asked Papa Gerwig about it in the car and he said "well sometimes freinds have to wrestle each other, you know like me and your Uncle Dickie do. But we're friends."  And dumb little me I bought it.

Before I was Smart


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Montague on August 10, 2013, 10:46:34 AM
Power and Glory dropping that chain in Shawn Micheals leg and leaving poor Marty Jannetty to wrestle the whole match by himself was just fucking evil! Little me was horrified. Then! THE ROCKERS BROKE UP AND SHAWN MICHEALS STARTED WEARING A LEATHER JACKET AND WAS A BAD GUY!!!

Before I was Smart.


On a side note I was in the dressing room and saw Tito Santana and The Warlord talking to each other and did not understand it. They Hated each other! Right!?!?!

Well I asked Papa Gerwig about it in the car and he said "well sometimes freinds have to wrestle each other, you know like me and your Uncle Dickie do. But we're friends."  And dumb little me I bought it.

Before I was Smart


 ;D


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Grape Ape on August 14, 2013, 12:01:25 PM
Snuka / Coconut is always the first thing I remember when I think back.  I was a huge Snuka mark, and was pretty upset by it.   I think I was also upset when Piper beat the shit out of one of the jobbers at the time - Frank Williams?

Hogan/Iron Shiek for the title was amazing.  That was a time when we had no idea when stuff like that was on, outside of the usual Sat morning stuff.  We just happened to flip the channel (buttons on the box with the long cord).  My brothers and I were pumped, and went friggin' nuts when Hogan won the title.

I also remember seeing a quote in our newspaper from Gorilla Monsoon saying it was real, so we believed it.

Saw Hogan blade in a match some time after that and that was that for belief.


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: Andy Griffin on August 17, 2013, 12:29:57 PM
At one time, the Georgia Tag Champions were Ivan Koloff and Alexis Smirnoff...they would win matches by working on the arm, make opponents submit to a driving hammerlock-type hold...they had lost the belts to some team (I think the Andersons during one of their face runs) and Gordon Solie, in announcing the rematch, mentioned that the Soviet Embassy was watching the situation closely...I actually thought the Russians would be sent to Siberia if they lost the rematch.   :-\


Title: Re: "Kayfabe Memories," or "Before We Were 'Smart:'"
Post by: The Showstoppa on August 17, 2013, 02:23:18 PM
At one time, the Georgia Tag Champions were Ivan Koloff and Alexis Smirnoff...they would win matches by working on the arm, make opponents submit to a driving hammerlock-type hold...they had lost the belts to some team (I think the Andersons during one of their face runs) and Gordon Solie, in announcing the rematch, mentioned that the Soviet Embassy was watching the situation closely...I actually thought the Russians would be sent to Siberia if they lost the rematch.   :-\

Classic! ;D