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Title: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on January 20, 2013, 02:34:38 AM
A recent survey of American Meteorological Society members shows meteorologists are skeptical that humans are causing a global warming crisis. The survey confirms what many scientists have been reporting for years; the politically focused bureaucratic leadership of many science organizations is severely out of touch with the scientists themselves regarding global warming issues.

According to American Meteorological Society (AMS) data, 89% of AMS meteorologists believe global warming is happening, but only a minority (30%) is very worried about global warming.

This sharp contrast between the large majority of meteorologists who believe global warming is happening and the modest minority who are nevertheless very worried about it is consistent with other scientist surveys. This contrast exposes global warming alarmists who assert that 97% of the world’s scientists agree humans are causing a global warming crisis simply because these scientists believe global warming is occurring. However, as this and other scientist surveys show, believing that some warming is occurring is not the same as believing humans are causing a worrisome crisis.

Other questions solidified the meteorologists’ skepticism about humans creating a global warming crisis. For example, among those meteorologists who believe global warming is happening, only a modest majority (59%) believe humans are the primary cause. More importantly, only 38% of respondents who believe global warming is occurring say it will be very harmful during the next 100 years.

With substantially fewer than half of meteorologists very worried about global warming or expecting substantial harm during the next 100 years, one has to wonder why environmental activist groups are sowing the seeds of global warming panic. Does anyone really expect our economy to be powered 100 years from now by the same energy sources we use today? Why immediately, severely, and permanently punish our economy with costly global warming restrictions when technological advances and the free market will likely address any such global warming concerns much more efficiently, economically and effectively?

Full story:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/03/14/shock-poll-meteorologists-are-global-warming-skeptics/


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 20, 2013, 03:08:39 AM
A recent survey of American Meteorological Society members shows meteorologists are skeptical that humans are causing a global warming crisis. The survey confirms what many scientists have been reporting for years; the politically focused bureaucratic leadership of many science organizations is severely out of touch with the scientists themselves regarding global warming issues.

According to American Meteorological Society (AMS) data, 89% of AMS meteorologists believe global warming is happening, but only a minority (30%) is very worried about global warming.

This sharp contrast between the large majority of meteorologists who believe global warming is happening and the modest minority who are nevertheless very worried about it is consistent with other scientist surveys. This contrast exposes global warming alarmists who assert that 97% of the world’s scientists agree humans are causing a global warming crisis simply because these scientists believe global warming is occurring. However, as this and other scientist surveys show, believing that some warming is occurring is not the same as believing humans are causing a worrisome crisis.

Other questions solidified the meteorologists’ skepticism about humans creating a global warming crisis. For example, among those meteorologists who believe global warming is happening, only a modest majority (59%) believe humans are the primary cause. More importantly, only 38% of respondents who believe global warming is occurring say it will be very harmful during the next 100 years.

With substantially fewer than half of meteorologists very worried about global warming or expecting substantial harm during the next 100 years, one has to wonder why environmental activist groups are sowing the seeds of global warming panic. Does anyone really expect our economy to be powered 100 years from now by the same energy sources we use today? Why immediately, severely, and permanently punish our economy with costly global warming restrictions when technological advances and the free market will likely address any such global warming concerns much more efficiently, economically and effectively?

Full story:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/03/14/shock-poll-meteorologists-are-global-warming-skeptics/

I find it hilarious, the world was so warm at points throughout history that you can dig up sea shells in the midwest.  Humans had nothing to do with the Earth warming and cooling thousands of times before, but now suddenly we do.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: _bruce_ on January 20, 2013, 03:24:01 AM
"Leaders" and their cohorts are off on everything in the world - social dynamics, needs, fairness, nature and especially common sense.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 20, 2013, 03:52:23 AM
"Leaders" and their cohorts are off on everything in the world - social dynamics, needs, fairness, nature and especially common sense.


Yes, the misconception about cholesterol (that we're just now debunking) is probably a good example.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Thespritz0 on January 20, 2013, 08:08:20 AM
"Global Warming"is just a way the ELITE are busy using our guilt to make money for themselves... pure and simply stated.

P.S.  Remember the 1000's of ships sunk in WW2 including tankers, huge battleships, aircraft carriers??  Was there a fishing ban due to too much oil in the ocean?? No...


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: dj181 on January 20, 2013, 08:14:59 AM
it was a statement from The American Meteorological Society, right?

america! fuck ya!


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: dr.chimps on January 20, 2013, 08:18:15 AM
Retards assemble!


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Tapeworm on January 20, 2013, 08:42:46 AM
How would they know?  They spend all their time studying meteors.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Natural Man on January 20, 2013, 08:49:24 AM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ywkD1tu3IHo/STRbPcV9RxI/AAAAAAAAAjw/oayQj2lnYRg/s400/gore+house+front+aerial+w+stevenson+and+notes.jpg)

al gore mansion.

The "eco friendly" label on all products was a bullshit marketing trend that changed nothing but made gullible morons feel better about buying the exact same stuff they were buying before, except it had this stupid label sticked on it.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: el numero uno on January 20, 2013, 09:01:35 AM
I took meteorology classes on university, my teacher used to say that global warming is indeed fake.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: garebear on January 20, 2013, 09:04:30 AM
I took meteorology classes on university, my teacher used to say that global warming is indeed fake.
Well, that's all the proof I need.



Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Natural Man on January 20, 2013, 09:04:42 AM
Yeah but the eco trend made a lot of people rich... people who were good at marketing/advertising.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: MikMaq on January 20, 2013, 09:06:17 AM

According to American Meteorological Society (AMS) data, 89% of AMS meteorologists believe global warming is happening, but only a minority (30%) is very worried about global warming.

Notice how 89 percent agrees it`s happening. All this states, is that there not worried, I`m sure if you ask a bunch of math professors at harvard none of them give a shit about aids in africa either, that does not mean it`s not a serious problem.

I find it hilarious, the world was so warm at points throughout history that you can dig up sea shells in the midwest.  Humans had nothing to do with the Earth warming and cooling thousands of times before, but now suddenly we do.
Your using shit you should of learned in 9th grade science class to act as if this shit ain`t happening.


Global warming is real, it`s not gonna be no 2012 bullshit, but it sure as hell will fuck things up.

Climate change is a crucial part of civilization, it ended babylonian civilization, cost napoleon an empire,  it allowed natives americans into north america, stopped the norse from reaching north america, and brought on the rise of agriculture etc.

To ignore our effects on this process is absurd.


Anyhow getbiggers, go ahead and spew your moronic nonsense.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: el numero uno on January 20, 2013, 09:08:17 AM
Well, that's all the proof I need.



Haha he gave a lot of explanations actually, but I never took that subject seriously, mostly because it wasn't part of the program, he talked about that out of classes.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 20, 2013, 12:52:25 PM
Your using shit you should of learned in 9th grade science class to act as if this shit ain`t happening.


Global warming is real, it`s not gonna be no 2012 bullshit, but it sure as hell will fuck things up.

Climate change is a crucial part of civilization, it ended babylonian civilization, cost napoleon an empire,  it allowed natives americans into north america, stopped the norse from reaching north america, and brought on the rise of agriculture etc.

To ignore our effects on this process is absurd.


Anyhow getbiggers, go ahead and spew your moronic nonsense.

I'm not doubting that the Earth is warming up, no one is.  Show me the proof humans have anything to do with it.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 20, 2013, 12:56:22 PM
and meanwhile, he could also show us whatever happened to that thing ozon hole?

were no dead yet, how comes

Who was responsible the other thousand times this exact cycle of warming (followed by cooling) occurred?


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Parker on January 20, 2013, 01:00:47 PM
I find it hilarious, the world was so warm at points throughout history that you can dig up sea shells in the midwest.  Humans had nothing to do with the Earth warming and cooling thousands of times before, but now suddenly we do.
if. You can find seashells in the Midwest, wouldn't that mean that it is dry now? And that was a lake, riverbed? Or the fact that they were brought there thru some sort of water movement. Or that millions of yrs ago, when there was one single landmass, I believe it's called Pangea.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 20, 2013, 01:04:48 PM
if. You can find seashells in the Midwest, wouldn't that mean that it is dry now? And that was a lake, riverbed? Or the fact that they were brought there thru some sort of water movement. Or that millions of yrs ago, when there was one single landmass, I believe it's called Pangea.

This has all happened before, we've only been keeping good record for a few hundred years and you know how old the Earth is.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Phanerozoic_Sea_Level.png)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110911145228.htm
Sea Levels Much Less Stable Than Earlier Believed, New Coral Dating Method Suggests


Sep. 11, 2011 — New evidence of sea-level oscillations during a warm period that started about 125,000 years ago raises the possibility of a similar scenario if the planet continues its more recent warming trend, says a research team led by the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI).


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Parker on January 20, 2013, 01:09:44 PM
Who was responsible the other thousand times this exact cycle of warming (followed by cooling) occurred?
we obviously have done some damage to our environment/atmosphere. With our vehicles, factories (acid rain anybody), mining, dredging, building, wars, bomb testing (bikini island atoll and the latest nuclear meltdown), ranching, oil, etc. All these things were not going on, millions of yrs ago...
I don't think dinosaurs, nor the MegaFauna era had the capabilities to do what we do today.

Dinosaurs farts can only do so much.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 20, 2013, 02:51:21 PM
we obviously have done some damage to our environment/atmosphere. With our vehicles, factories (acid rain anybody), mining, dredging, building, wars, bomb testing (bikini island atoll and the latest nuclear meltdown), ranching, oil, etc. All these things were not going on, millions of yrs ago...
I don't think dinosaurs, nor the MegaFauna era had the capabilities to do what we do today.

Dinosaurs farts can only do so much.

I see what you're saying, but this has literally happened before.  My point is that humans didn't cause global warming (or cooling) the past thousand times it happened, all of a sudden though (with accurate weather records that only go back a couple hundred years) humans are supposedly causing it now.

Can someone please show me proof humans have anything to do with this?  ???


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Howard on January 20, 2013, 03:09:51 PM
How would they know?  They spend all their time studying meteors.

LOL, studying meteors  :D

If you look at the dissolved CO2 from ice core samples from the poles for the past 10,000 yrs it is pretty clear.
It shows that the temp each season was pretty stable over the years. In the last 100 yrs as the CO2 levels raise so did the temp ( a lot).
We know what the temp was each past century due to the dissloved 0xygen atoms and % of each kind of isotope.
( * atmosphere temp = % of various Oxygen isotopes in the atmosphere)
Plot the temp vs CO2 data and you get a near perfect linear regression line fit.

When the conclsuion is this clear, i don't even know why ths up for debate any longer.
I don't debate glbal warning with many as it is settled science based on the data .
If they try and tell me glbal warning is a hoax, I quote the data conclusions above.
They often scoff at my data but come back wth some silly reply that makes no sense.
 Often they argue by making a point has nothing to do to refute the data I try to explain.

Most have no idea what the signifigance of the dissolved O2 isotopes mean . Many seem clueless when I mention
the analysis is done via gas chromatograph or Mass spec, etc.

Ths is like trying to debate baseball with someone who doesn't know how many strikes a batter gets


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Mjolnir on January 20, 2013, 07:00:52 PM
Lol Howard bringing science to show the retards! no one want to argue with Howard on a scientific basis?


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: tbombz on January 20, 2013, 07:34:52 PM
"very worried" "serious problems"..   those arent good markers. educated people rarely go to extremes in their beliefs.

I find it hilarious, the world was so warm at points throughout history that you can dig up sea shells in the midwest.  Humans had nothing to do with the Earth warming and cooling thousands of times before, but now suddenly we do.
  in the past when the world went through those stages there were massive extinctions.

we are scheduled to go through a warming period in a couple hundred thousand years..

but we are speeding it WAY up.

and the rate of species extinction is around 45 times what it would normally be.
 
putting half a trillion tons of carbon into the atmosphere has consequences on the environment


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 20, 2013, 08:31:19 PM
"very worried" "serious problems"..   those arent good markers. educated people rarely go to extremes in their beliefs.
  in the past when the world went through those stages there were massive extinctions.

we are scheduled to go through a warming period in a couple hundred thousand years..

but we are speeding it WAY up.

and the rate of species extinction is around 45 times what it would normally be.
 
putting half a trillion tons of carbon into the atmosphere has consequences on the environment

Sources on any of that tbombz?

As far as I know, there's nothing concrete linking what appears to be a natural cycle of warming and cooling to our CO2 emissions.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Alex23 on January 20, 2013, 08:35:29 PM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ywkD1tu3IHo/STRbPcV9RxI/AAAAAAAAAjw/oayQj2lnYRg/s400/gore+house+front+aerial+w+stevenson+and+notes.jpg)

al gore mansion.

The "eco friendly" label on all products was a bullshit marketing trend that changed nothing but made gullible morons feel better about buying the exact same stuff they were buying before, except it had this stupid label sticked on it.


Just beautiful.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 20, 2013, 08:47:20 PM
LOL, studying meteors  :D

If you look at the dissolved CO2 from ice core samples from the poles for the past 10,000 yrs it is pretty clear.
It shows that the temp each season was pretty stable over the years. In the last 100 yrs as the CO2 levels raise so did the temp ( a lot).
We know what the temp was each past century due to the dissloved 0xygen atoms and % of each kind of isotope.
( * atmosphere temp = % of various Oxygen isotopes in the atmosphere)
Plot the temp vs CO2 data and you get a near perfect linear regression line fit.

When the conclsuion is this clear, i don't even know why ths up for debate any longer.
I don't debate glbal warning with many as it is settled science based on the data .
If they try and tell me glbal warning is a hoax, I quote the data conclusions above.
They often scoff at my data but come back wth some silly reply that makes no sense.
 Often they argue by making a point has nothing to do to refute the data I try to explain.

Most have no idea what the signifigance of the dissolved O2 isotopes mean . Many seem clueless when I mention
the analysis is done via gas chromatograph or Mass spec, etc.

Ths is like trying to debate baseball with someone who doesn't know how many strikes a batter gets

You're fairly intelligent, I can see why you educate seventh graders for a living now!



What percentage of C02 in the atmosphere is emitted by humans anyway?  

 ???


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Hypertrophy on January 20, 2013, 08:49:47 PM
Lol Howard bringing science to show the retards! no one want to argue with Howard on a scientific basis?

Lol  So if we dont agree with you, we are retards. Brilliant show of confidence in your (and others on Getbig) ability to persuade people. Yeah - I know - this is GetBig and we are all retards. Just depends on who calls the other guy one first.

Id be more than happy to debate Howard on a scientific basis. "Global warming" aka "Climate change" "aka "If you don't agree with me you are a Neanderthal because I'm smarter than you are" is based on what many consider to be faulty science  all along. But, the argument about this goes  ad hominem within minutes, so its really an exercise in futility.

The history is that the climate has changed macroscopically many times since the earth formed. The trends and swings are so wide or long that once we realize something is happening, its about to change again anyways. By the way, if we were to all go green overnight, nothing would change climate wise within a few hundred years. Takes too long for the global physical chemical systems to react, and there are many other variables at play besides fossil fuel usage.

 And its impossible to "go green"  overnight anyways.( I work in the field of photovotaic cells and spend lots of time in Germany, the worlds leader in "green energy". At least they are realistic about how many decades this process will take, and the absolute limits of harnessing renewable energy sources)

It makes more sense to get off of, or reduce,  oil and coal consumption because of the  economic, health and political costs in using it, and the dependence on unstable sources of supply. Screw the global warming alarmists. All they do is inflame people, create new regulations and taxes that choke off innovation ( i work on a DOE project and trust me - they are not the people you want in charge of energy policy) and create polarization. Pay more attention to the economic mess we are heading into because of our dependence on black gold. Money talks, bullshit walks.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Mjolnir on January 20, 2013, 09:05:43 PM
The fact is if you don't agree then you are retarded and refuse to believe what is in front of you.  It is not up for debate any longer and where you work or what you do has absolutely no bearing on this.  If you have a peer reviewed paper you wish to present that the world hasn't seen then be my guest and post it on GB first.  The evidence is there both scientific and anecdotal (even in my own region where we once had 13 weeks of skiiable snow per annum there is now 2-5 due to climate change) and if you wish to support those who cherry pick certain parts of a study or certain statistics go ahead, but these people aren't credible.  Here's what other have to say:

In the scientific field of climate studies – which is informed by many different disciplines – the consensus is demonstrated by the number of scientists who have stopped arguing about what is causing climate change – and that’s nearly all of them. A survey of all peer-reviewed abstracts on the subject 'global climate change' published between 1993 and 2003 shows that not a single paper rejected the consensus position that global warming is man caused. 75% of the papers agreed with the consensus position while 25% made no comment either way, focusing on methods or paleoclimate analysis (Oreskes 2004).

Several subsequent studies confirm that “...the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes”. (Doran 2009). In other words, more than 95% of scientists working in the disciplines contributing to studies of our climate, accept that climate change is almost certainly being caused by human activities.

We should also consider official scientific bodies and what they think about climate change. There are no national or major scientific institutions anywhere in the world that dispute the theory of anthropogenic climate change. Not one.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: quadzilla456 on January 20, 2013, 09:52:25 PM
we obviously have done some damage to our environment/atmosphere. With our vehicles, factories (acid rain anybody), mining, dredging, building, wars, bomb testing (bikini island atoll and the latest nuclear meltdown), ranching, oil, etc. All these things were not going on, millions of yrs ago...
I don't think dinosaurs, nor the MegaFauna era had the capabilities to do what we do today.

Dinosaurs farts can only do so much.
The earth will be here long after humans. As George Carlin said the earth will shake us like a bad case of fleas. To reduce our impact on the environment we can start by reducing the population of the world humanely. Having a world population of 10 billion on a finite, smallish planet is a good idea .....  NOT!

And this is where our colored friends come in. You need to have less babies you're not going to invent much and will probably starve if you keep it up.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on January 21, 2013, 02:27:09 AM
Yes, the misconception about cholesterol (that we're just now debunking) is probably a good example.

Shit, for 30 years they made people afraid to eat eggs!


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on January 21, 2013, 02:29:07 AM
Lol Howard bringing science to show the retards! no one want to argue with Howard on a scientific basis?

LOL Howard vs the meteorologists!  Strong science there!


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 21, 2013, 02:57:27 AM
LOL Howard vs the meteorologists!  Strong science there!

Come on, the man teaches children for a living!  He's as much of an authority as anyone!   >:(


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: cephissus on January 21, 2013, 03:10:32 AM
Sources on any of that tbombz?

As far as I know, there's nothing concrete linking what appears to be a natural cycle of warming and cooling to our CO2 emissions.

of course there's nothing linking the two, by definition.  but pumping massive amounts of CO2 in the air is obviously going to increase the amount of radiation that gets "trapped" in the atmosphere.  this is pretty much obvious and indisputable.  the only question is how MUCH impact human interference has.  a lot?  not much?  who knows... maybe people in charge of studies.  maybe not (yet).  obviously, there's a lot of evidence that needs gathering.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Radical Plato on January 21, 2013, 03:21:30 AM
I find it hilarious, the world was so warm at points throughout history that you can dig up sea shells in the midwest.  Humans had nothing to do with the Earth warming and cooling thousands of times before, but now suddenly we do.
You do realise that many things have changed over the last few hundred years, and that the current situation we have isn't the way the world has always been.  We now have massive over population, burning of fossil fuels en masse and massive pollution as a result.  When their are 7 billion people on the planet all consuming as much resources as they can and contributing to pollution, it isn't hard to see the effect it can have on an environment.  If only a few people piss in the stream, it has little impact, if the whole town does, the stream becomes a sewer...


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 21, 2013, 03:29:03 AM
of course there's nothing linking the two, by definition.  but pumping massive amounts of CO2 in the air is obviously going to increase the amount of radiation that gets "trapped" in the atmosphere.  this is pretty much obvious and indisputable.  the only question is how MUCH impact human interference has.  a lot?  not much?  who knows... maybe people in charge of studies.  maybe not (yet).  obviously, there's a lot of evidence that needs gathering.

Of all C02 in the atmosphere, what percent was emitted by man?

I believe (could be wrong), that it's somewhere around 3%.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: cephissus on January 21, 2013, 03:33:35 AM
So of all C02 in the atmosphere, what percent was emitted by man?

no idea, which is why i don't usually discuss "global warming".  i don't understand why so many people feel the need to "take a stand" on an issue when there is NO WAY they could possibly possess a fraction of the evidence needed to make a meaningful statement.

unless i'm completely in the dark somehow and the scientific community has come to an overwhelming consensus, which has then trickled down to the general public, i don't think the average joe has anything to stand on, one way or another.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 21, 2013, 03:34:15 AM
i don't understand why so many people feel the need to "take a stand" on an issue when there is NO WAY they could possibly possess a fraction of the evidence needed to make a meaningful statement.

good point  8)



No one is doubting that there's a direct connection between total c02 and global temperature, the question is what effect do humans have on total c02 levels?  No question we emit too much c02, but in comparison to naturally occurring c02 (which appears to naturally fluctuate more than the total c02 emitted by mankind) is it just a drop in the bucket? 

 ???


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Radical Plato on January 21, 2013, 03:45:54 AM
good point  8)

Until there is some kind of evidence that mankind has any effect on a cycle that has occurred naturally thousands of times before, I'm not buying it.
Beijing, undeniable evidence of Man's impact on the Environment.

(http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/50f396a16bb3f79e0d000020-523-400-/china-beijing-smog-pollution.jpg)

(http://marketspace.thinktosustain.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/t2s-guardian-china-air-pollution-2.jpg)


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 21, 2013, 03:46:34 AM
Beijing, undeniable evidence of Man's impact on the Environment.

(http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/50f396a16bb3f79e0d000020-523-400-/china-beijing-smog-pollution.jpg)

That's almost as scary as guns and dogs are!!  :o


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Radical Plato on January 21, 2013, 03:49:20 AM
That's almost as scary as guns and dogs are!!  :o
Almost as scary as your Mum's herpes infested Snatch!


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 21, 2013, 03:52:00 AM
Almost as scary as your Mum's herpes infested Snatch!

very creative E-Kul!  8)

I'm not sure what a "mum" is though?


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: bigcal on January 21, 2013, 09:23:36 AM
These pricks cant even predict the weather on a day-to-day basis.  I dont believe anything these twinks have to say


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: daddy8ball on January 21, 2013, 09:25:57 AM
The sun does not have unlimited fuel. It will burn out one day. When the sun is gone, shit will go down hill on earth pretty quickly. How come no one is worried about that?  :D


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Radical Plato on January 21, 2013, 10:47:23 AM
The sun does not have unlimited fuel. It will burn out one day. When the sun is gone, shit will go down hill on earth pretty quickly. How come no one is worried about that?  :D
Well, their is some concern about THIS amongst intellectuals, and those with tons of foresight have expressed humanity's eventual need to find an alternative home, but as of yet are limited by lack of knowledge and technology, but sure their concerned, but not too concerned because it is 5 BILLION YEARS AWAY!


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: daddy8ball on January 21, 2013, 11:12:24 AM
Well, their is some concern about THIS amongst intellectuals, and those with tons of foresight have expressed humanity's eventual need to find an alternative home, but as of yet are limited by lack of knowledge and technology, but sure their concerned, but not too concerned because it is 5 BILLION YEARS AWAY!

What's the difference between 5 billion years, or warming over the course of a hundred years? You're not going to be alive to witness either. So why worry about it?


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Radical Plato on January 21, 2013, 07:00:25 PM
What's the difference between 5 billion years, or warming over the course of a hundred years? You're not going to be alive to witness either. So why worry about it?
Oh Yeah, that's right, no difference, let's just kill the children now.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: MikMaq on January 21, 2013, 07:41:55 PM
I'm not doubting that the Earth is warming up, no one is.  Show me the proof humans have anything to do with it.
Get a fucking biology degree than if you can't figure it out.


Asking for proof of this, is like asking someone for proof that driving on a freeway is dangerous. We cannot predict the outcome, and no one is stupid enough to give it a try for kicks.

We might drive into a brick wall, we might plow into another car, or we might just be fine and go about our day.

The chance that things will be fine in no way out weights the fact that putting yourself in a situation that is totally unpredictable is absurdly dangerous.

Odd's are pretty dam high that high levels of CO2 with likely destabilize the fragile equilibrium that are planet lives under this is indisputable fact.

This equilibrium goes out of whack on it's own naturally, it's highly likely that the slightest push will mean severe change.

We have countless examples of this happening in the past, and it is never a good outcome whether it be napoleon being frozen in the dead of winter in russia, or the vikings loosing their passage to america.



Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 21, 2013, 07:44:58 PM
Get a fucking biology degree than if you can't figure it out.


Asking for proof of this, is like asking someone for proof that driving on a freeway is dangerous. We cannot predict the outcome, and no one is stupid enough to give it a try for kicks.

We might drive into a brick wall, we might plow into another car, or we might just be fine and go about our day.

The chance that things will be fine in no way out weights the fact that putting yourself in a situation that is totally unpredictable is absurdly dangerous.

Odd's are pretty dam high that high levels of CO2 with likely destabilize the fragile equilibrium that are planet lives under this is indisputable fact.

This equilibrium goes out of whack on it's own naturally, it's highly likely that the slightest push will mean severe change.

We have countless examples of this happening in the past, and it is never a good outcome whether it be napoleon being frozen in the dead of winter in russia, or the vikings loosing their passage to america.

FYI you fat, ignorant, cock sucking, mistake...

No one is doubting that there's a direct connection between total c02 and global temperature, the question is what effect do humans have on total c02 levels?  No question we emit too much c02, but in comparison to naturally occurring c02 (which appears to naturally fluctuate more than the total c02 emitted by mankind) is it just a drop in the bucket? 


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 21, 2013, 07:47:24 PM
It's not like the mainstream scientific community, and their lemmings has ever been wrong before....

 ;D


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: oldtimer1 on January 22, 2013, 05:04:24 AM
They only have accurate weather recorded for about 100 years. Yet they say the weather is either out of range cold or out range hot. Every time we have a tornado, hurricane; cold weather or hot weather it's this global warming. Ice caps are melting? What were the ice caps doing 200 years ago? Nobody knows.

 I agree we should limit pollution emitted but I'm not blaming the weather for that. I think we should start first with Al Gore's 10,000 plus square foot house with the electricity, heating and ac. Then go after all the jet trips he takes on private jets. He should also sell all his other houses to make to save the planet and reduce global warming. Since liberals hate rich people and he is richer than Mitt Romney he should spread his wealth around.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: tbombz on January 22, 2013, 12:27:54 PM
pip, even something seemingly insignificant like a 1,2 or 3% change in CO2 levels can have dramatic effects on climate. think about chemical reactions in a laboratory..  you can mix 20 ml's of chemical A, 15 ml's of chemical B, and 30 ml's of chemical C and you have a harmless and safe mixture.  throw in an extra ML of one of the chemicals and you may have just killed yourself by causing a massive explosion.    


 weve put a half trillion tons of carbon into the atmosphere.  extiction rate is about 50 times what it would normally be.   weather is getting crazy.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 22, 2013, 12:38:23 PM
pip, even something seemingly insignificant like a 1,2 or 3% change in CO2 levels can have dramatic effects on climate. think about chemical reactions in a laboratory..  you can mix 20 ml's of chemical A, 15 ml's of chemical B, and 30 ml's of chemical C and you have a harmless and safe mixture.  throw in an extra ML of one of the chemicals and you may have just killed yourself by causing a massive explosion.    


 weve put a half trillion tons of carbon into the atmosphere.  extiction rate is about 50 times what it would normally be.   weather is getting crazy.

That makes sense, maybe you're right. 

Some say that natural fluctuations of c02 are more than the total c02 emitted by man though?




Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: daddy8ball on January 22, 2013, 12:45:45 PM
The earth is 4.54 billion years old.
U.S. has been keeping track of weather records since 1878.

We have weather data for 135 out of 4.54 billion years.

Kind of stupid to plot "trends" given the small sample set.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 22, 2013, 12:48:56 PM
The earth is 4.54 billion years old.
U.S. has been keeping track of weather records since 1878.

We have weather data for 135 out of 4.54 billion years.

Kind of stupid to plot "trends" given the small sample set.

Hey, we do have a pretty clear picture of 0.000002% of Earths history!


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: cswol on January 22, 2013, 05:06:18 PM
its all a sham to enslave the american people and force agenda 21 on us, if you dont know what agenda 21 is, i suggest you go to youtube and do your research, glad to see someone is doing their research, people awake and unite. Now go to www.sherrypeeljackson.or g and find out how none of your tax dollars go to the country, it all goes to the elite private fed reserve bank, and american citizens are not anywhere suppose to pay taxes at all, hope people begin to wake up. LIsten to sheery peel jackson on alex jones, she breaks it all down, and her story is an example of what really happens when you know the truth.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: quadzilla456 on January 22, 2013, 09:51:42 PM
its all a sham to enslave the american people and force agenda 21 on us, if you dont know what agenda 21 is, i suggest you go to youtube and do your research, glad to see someone is doing their research, people awake and unite. Now go to www.sherrypeeljackson.or g and find out how none of your tax dollars go to the country, it all goes to the elite private fed reserve bank, and american citizens are not anywhere suppose to pay taxes at all, hope people begin to wake up. LIsten to sheery peel jackson on alex jones, she breaks it all down, and her story is an example of what really happens when you know the truth.
Listen to this guy he is on the right track. Follow the money and power trail!


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: garebear on January 22, 2013, 10:01:55 PM
Science is a conspiracy!


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: RRKore on January 23, 2013, 10:16:43 PM
Notice how 89 percent agrees it`s happening. All this states, is that there not worried, I`m sure if you ask a bunch of math professors at harvard none of them give a shit about aids in africa either, that does not mean it`s not a serious problem.
 Your using shit you should of learned in 9th grade science class to act as if this shit ain`t happening.


Global warming is real, it`s not gonna be no 2012 bullshit, but it sure as hell will fuck things up.

Climate change is a crucial part of civilization, it ended babylonian civilization, cost napoleon an empire,  it allowed natives americans into north america, stopped the norse from reaching north america, and brought on the rise of agriculture etc.

To ignore our effects on this process is absurd.


Anyhow getbiggers, go ahead and spew your moronic nonsense.

thank you and I'm sure they will continue to do so


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on January 23, 2013, 10:24:01 PM
Notice how 89 percent agrees it`s happening. All this states, is that there not worried, I`m sure if you ask a bunch of math professors at harvard none of them give a shit about aids in africa either, that does not mean it`s not a serious problem.
 

You seem to be able to catch one point (however mistaken) while lacking full comprehension of the overall point.

The point is that of the 89 percent who agree it is happening, only a minority believe it is a cause for serious concern (and no this is not analogous to your aids example - it means they don't see it as a threat to the environment).  Also, many of them believe it is either a) not man made at all or b) a combination of man and nature

 


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: cswol on January 23, 2013, 10:28:21 PM
global warming is a complete hoax, i suggest you listen to sherry peel jackson on the alex jones show   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E4E8R4PS-A  here is the link to her story.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: garebear on January 24, 2013, 02:48:01 AM
global warming is a complete hoax, i suggest you listen to sherry peel jackson on the alex jones show   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E4E8R4PS-A  here is the link to her story.
Oh, OK. She's on Alex Jones? Say no more.

Instant credibility.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: axestream on January 24, 2013, 03:05:00 AM
They only have accurate weather recorded for about 100 years. Yet they say the weather is either out of range cold or out range hot. Every time we have a tornado, hurricane; cold weather or hot weather it's this global warming. Ice caps are melting? What were the ice caps doing 200 years ago? Nobody knows.

 I agree we should limit pollution emitted but I'm not blaming the weather for that. I think we should start first with Al Gore's 10,000 plus square foot house with the electricity, heating and ac. Then go after all the jet trips he takes on private jets. He should also sell all his other houses to make to save the planet and reduce global warming. Since liberals hate rich people and he is richer than Mitt Romney he should spread his wealth around.

This!


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: dr.chimps on January 24, 2013, 04:21:28 AM
The earth is 4.54 billion years old.
U.S. has been keeping track of weather records since 1878.

We have weather data for 135 out of 4.54 billion years.

Kind of stupid to plot "trends" given the small sample set.
You can't actually believe this!? And there are these things called 'fossils.'


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: garebear on January 24, 2013, 06:54:20 AM
You can't actually believe this!? And there are these things called 'fossils.'
Fossils = liberal media conspiracy rocks.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: dr.chimps on January 24, 2013, 06:58:43 AM
Fossils = liberal media conspiracy rocks.
Just when you think there is a minimum level of common sense on Getbig, someone pops up and disproves you.   


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: James28 on January 24, 2013, 07:27:33 AM
I don't worry about it. I've always wondered how the fuck that extra fee you're offered to pay when booking flights to 'neutralize your carbon footprint' is going to help the fact that I'm going on that flight anyway and the emissions will be spewed into the air anyway. Whether it's real or not, whether we're directly responsible or not, the sudden taxation of it reeks of bullshit. Remember back in the 90's when everyone was panicking about the alleged hole in the ozone layer. What happened to that? No mention of it again as there's a new story to drum up. What happened to bird flu? Was all the rage 5-10 years ago. Not a fucking word again.

Give it another 10 years and the media will have new fantasies to pursue. In the end, it's all bullshit. Every generation are under the impression that they're living in the final days and there's imminent destruction. It's the illusion we offer ourselves to make our lives interesting (or for the masses to be controlled. You decide). Fear and uncertainty. It's been around for 100's of years. Just the last 60 years we had the Nazis taking over the world. Nuclear wars starting. Aids endemic, global warming, bird flu, financial meltdown, outsourcing. I can go on and on. I really can.

In the end, stop worrying about the media/politicians and their sensationalized nonsense. It's probably all lies anyway. Or it might be true, either way, the world WON'T flood. Ice caps will melt and freeze. There will be hot summers, rainy summers, hot winters or no seasons at all. We pretend to understand the rhythms to which this planet breathes and I don't think we have a clue. In comparison the the amount of time this rock have been here and compared to traceable history and even more so climate .... well, it's going to be a good few million years before the needle even moves. By then it's going to be a different Earth and these times would've been lost to memory for millions of years. And it's fantasies.

TLDR; Dorian is better than Ronnie


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Howard on January 24, 2013, 07:43:27 AM
You're fairly intelligent, I can see why you educate seventh graders for a living now!



What percentage of C02 in the atmosphere is emitted by humans anyway?  

 ???

Depends on the amount of farting females ?


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Howard on January 24, 2013, 07:47:15 AM
Lol Howard bringing science to show the retards! no one want to argue with Howard on a scientific basis?

I'm sure some here could but it might be very anti getbig and a moving away from borscience and internet rumor.
As one nobel prize winner said on Discovery Science; " For most people , science sucks ."


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Montague on January 24, 2013, 07:49:55 AM
I find it hilarious, the world was so warm at points throughout history that you can dig up sea shells in the midwest.  Humans had nothing to do with the Earth warming and cooling thousands of times before, but now suddenly we do.


It is a fact that the Earth's weather patterns have been cyclical long before human cohabitation.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: daddy8ball on January 24, 2013, 07:56:19 AM
You can't actually believe this!? And there are these things called 'fossils.'

WTF are you talking about? Did I deny, somewhere, the existence of fossils?

Fossils and geological artifacts provide a limited amount of weather data concurrent with the age, but it's only a snapshot in time. It's not the daily, methodical tracking of hourly temperature data that his been in use for ~100 yrs in the U.S.


Title: Re: Meteorologists believe global warming "scare" is a sham
Post by: Howard on January 24, 2013, 08:45:46 AM
The earth will be here long after humans. As George Carlin said the earth will shake us like a bad case of fleas. To reduce our impact on the environment we can start by reducing the population of the world humanely. Having a world population of 10 billion on a finite, smallish planet is a good idea .....  NOT!

And this is where our colored friends come in. You need to have less babies you're not going to invent much and will probably starve if you keep it up.

No question about the fact that a large increase in population will strain the planets resources and enviroment.
I did my part, I never had kids.