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Title: Arming our teachers
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on January 22, 2013, 08:32:43 AM
I was thinking about this.  By arming our teachers where do they keep the gun?  In a safe?  I can guarantee back when I was in school, if there was a gun onsite, guaranteed some kids would have cracked that safe and had it.  Kids in my school used to scale the ventalation system to get into other rooms, steal petty cash, video shit, everything.  A gun would have been as easy as stolen in minutes.  this system seems flawed. 

Now the opposition would say that these teachers would carry the gun instead.  Which I know for a fact that kids would try their fucking hardest to piss off the teacher to see them snap.  People act like kids in school are these angels, but most are fucked up little shits out to cause trouble.


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: Donny on January 22, 2013, 08:43:23 AM
i agree it would not work. A school teacher is not like a trained soldier. Think about the diffrent characters you get in Teachers. Would they all react and shoot a student who was armed, a student they might KNOW fairly well. A school teacher has no business with a weapon.


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: che on January 22, 2013, 08:45:46 AM
I took my kid  to his unarmed school today , there  were no shootings , weird  shit  .


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: Mattyh7688 on January 22, 2013, 10:02:17 AM
It must be unfortunate for those with parents who don't love them and are sent to public school with the thugs in the world. Never once had to worry about any violence during 13 years of catholic school, K-12.


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: Nails on January 22, 2013, 10:05:00 AM
I took my kid  to his unarmed school today , there  were no shootings , weird  shit  .


i went to an unarmed theater last night to see a violent movie staring Arnold, no shooting either


what gives  :-\


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: Donny on January 22, 2013, 10:05:40 AM
It must be unfortunate for those with parents who don't love them and are sent to public school with the thugs in the world. Never once had to worry about any violence during 13 years of catholic school, K-12.
in a Catholic school you just got to worry about the Teachers.. and the Priests.


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: snx on January 22, 2013, 01:17:45 PM
I went to McDonalds today for my customary McDouble, and I was unarmed.

I saw various races there. I'm sure there were atheists, people who watched porn, listend to rock n roll, and children of divorce. I even saw someone in a Tapout t-shirt.

Nobody got shot. Media dissapoints me. Will hope for shooting at next outing to Home Depot on Saturday. They have a Subway there, which I know serves hot peppers.


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: Nails on January 22, 2013, 01:19:39 PM
I went to McDonalds today for my customary McDouble, and I was unarmed.

I saw various races there. I'm sure there were atheists, people who watched porn, listend to rock n roll, and children of divorce. I even saw someone in a Tapout t-shirt.

Nobody got shot. Media dissapoints me. Will hope for shooting at next outing to Home Depot on Saturday. They have a Subway there, which I know serves hot peppers.


try hitting up a MickyDeez instead maybe you will see some LIVE ACTION


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 22, 2013, 01:22:45 PM
Your chance of being a victim of gun violence is extremely low.

If you live in a smaller city or town, the chance is unbelievably remote.


In a country of 311,591,917, people are going to be killed in various ways.  Keep the bigger picture in mind


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: bradistani on January 22, 2013, 01:34:16 PM
armed teachers all sounds a bit drastic.. what if you live somewhere nice where the sort of shit we've seen recently doesn't happen, ever! do you wanna see those teachers packing heat too  ???


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: SF1900 on January 22, 2013, 01:36:08 PM
If there was going to ever be a policy in place that allowed guns in school, I would rather have armed, trained guards stand post, as opposed to a kindergarten teacher having a gun. Seriously, the NRA or whoever it was, were a bunch of morons for proposing that kindergarten teachers should be strapped. Though as stated, I would have no problem with an armed guard (who is highly trained) stand post.


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: anabolichalo on January 22, 2013, 01:37:21 PM
i agree it would not work. A school teacher is not like a trained soldier. Think about the diffrent characters you get in Teachers. Would they all react and shoot a student who was armed, a student they might KNOW fairly well. A school teacher has no business with a weapon.
maybe the military should provide teachers then


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 22, 2013, 01:41:14 PM
armed teachers all sounds a bit drastic.. what if you live somewhere nice where the sort of shit we've seen recently doesn't happen, ever! do you wanna see those teachers packing heat too  ???

Surrounding cities (to my own) have extremely low crime rates.  Like zero murders going back decades.  I don't think these people would mind though, its not like they're just giving teachers a gun and saying "GOOD LUCK!"..

These would be individuals that would be trained just like a police officer.  They would probably keep the firearm concealed on their person.

I don't understand why we can trust police to carry guns, but were afraid of arming other professionals?  ???


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: anabolichalo on January 22, 2013, 01:42:36 PM
Surrounding cities (to my own) have extremely low crime rates.  Like zero murders going back decades.  I don't think these people would mind though, its not like they're just giving teachers a gun and saying "GOOD LUCK!"..

These would be individuals that would be trained just like a police officer.  They would probably keep the firearm concealed on their person.

I don't understand why we can trust police to carry guns, but were afraid of arming other professionals?  ???
police officers are a special breed

unmatched by mere mortals


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 22, 2013, 01:43:59 PM
Most places in the United States are probably pretty comparable to countries like the UK as far as homicide rates go.

Our stats are skewed by fucked up places like Chicago (where guns are unconstitutionally banned), where criminals are killing criminals every day over drugs and shit.  There are millions of gang members in the US.  We boarder Mexico which might be the most violence place in the world.  All this contributes


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: bradistani on January 22, 2013, 01:46:11 PM
Surrounding cities (to my own) have extremely low crime rates.  Like zero murders going back decades.  I don't think these people would mind though, its not like they're just giving teachers a gun and saying "GOOD LUCK!"..

These would be individuals that would be trained just like a police officer.  They would probably keep the firearm concealed on their person.

I don't understand why we can trust police to carry guns, but were afraid of arming other professionals?  ???

that's an excellent point actually. it's just taht schools are the one place that can be free of all that shit. where childrens (and teachers) only concerns are learning and fun. todays fucking world i guess  :-\


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: BB on January 22, 2013, 01:48:26 PM
Here's how I would run it.

1) Solicit teachers that would want to do it for a bump in pay.

2) Have the State police run the back ground checks, and handle the threat assessment and firearms training. People like to think that the teachers wouldn't be able the guns as efficiently as police, but that's non-sense. Firearms training is only a small piece of police training, and could be taught to a police standard within a few hours.

They'd also have to requalify every few months, much like police.

3) Ideally, but not required, the pistols would be in the hands of administrators like Principles, vice Principles, Deans, etc.... to limit direct contact with the kids.

4) Pistols are to be carried IWB and frangible bullets like Glaser safety rounds or Magsafes. This would be done to limit discussion and apprehension from the kids about the pistol. The bullet choice is simply out of safety concerns should the firearm need to be used.

 


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 22, 2013, 01:49:47 PM
that's an excellent point actually. it's just taht schools are the one place that can be free of all that shit. where childrens (and teachers) only concerns are learning and fun. todays fucking world i guess  :-\

Yeah, good point

In schools where teachers are armed, I'm pretty certain measures will be taken to make sure no one is even aware.

They won't be wearing a giant .45 on their hip, just a very concealable Glock or something, holstered in their waist band.  


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: Donny on January 22, 2013, 01:51:35 PM
maybe the military should provide teachers then
you are missing my whole point. I can handle a weapon and i know it. A civilian is not like a soldier do not go there Bro.


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: bradistani on January 22, 2013, 01:52:59 PM
Yeah, good point

In schools where teachers are armed, I'm pretty certain measures will be taken to make sure no one is even aware.

They won't be wearing a giant .45 on their hip, just a very concealable Glock or something, holstered in their waist band.  

it'd be a good plan if, for example, ex military could be encouraged into the teaching profession.  


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 22, 2013, 01:53:20 PM
it'd be a good plan if, for example, ex military could be encouraged into the teaching profession. 

I read an article about some retired Sheriff's deputies that were already substitute teachers (apparently, there's a few more than you would think).  They're being rotated from school to school in one county.  

I'm a civilian, and I've taken a regular CCW and an advanced "tactical" class given by the Police Department.  I can definitely handle a weapon.  I don't understand the thinking that civilians can't be trained to handle a weapons safely/effectively? 


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: BIG DUB on January 22, 2013, 01:58:01 PM
Would cost the state too much money besides there is plenty of patrol officers that do jack shit all day that can be pulled to do school resource duty.


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 22, 2013, 02:03:23 PM
There are 125,000 Schools in the United States, there might be 3 school shootings a year. 

0.000024%


Not that these aren't horribly tragic, and even one is too many... But they're not as wide spread as you would think. 


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: Donny on January 22, 2013, 02:19:20 PM
on the other side do you want your kids to grow up with weapons everywhere and "Dominant" Teachers? I remember when my son went to a Military service school when i was in the Army and he hated it. I took him out and because my wife is German i sent him to a "normal" school. The Army i liked but i did not want my family to have that mentality. The British army Military schools were very strict.


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: titusisback on January 22, 2013, 02:19:32 PM
0.000024%

No, 0.0024%

Yes, statistically you're very unlikely to die because of guns but it's a mind fuck and it's a double mind fuck when kids are killed. Pollution kills tons of people (cancer and other diseases) but it lacks the dramatic effect. That's how human mind  works. You can't reason with the general population.

Having said that taking someone's life with an object is barbaric and should be stopped for that reason alone.

Year 2008 is an extreme example between U.S.A. and Japan. In U.S.A. 12,000+ people were killed by guns. In Japan 11 (yes eleven). Of course normally it's a bit higher in Japan but it still shows the drastic difference between two opposite gun policies.


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: NotSure on January 22, 2013, 03:39:02 PM
It must be unfortunate for those with parents who don't love them and are sent to public school with the thugs in the world. Never once had to worry about any violence during 13 years of catholic school, K-12.
It makes sense now. That is why you are so frakking stupid. Did you go into the chapel and prey and take bible studies? Hahahahaha idiot.


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: The Showstoppa on January 22, 2013, 03:42:01 PM
When I was in high-school it was very common to see gun racks with shotguns and rifles in the school parking lot.....and surprise f'n surprise there were no shootings.  It's a generational mental illness issue.


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on January 22, 2013, 03:44:14 PM
SandyHook was a good area , low crime, all white.  A big reason why the media was all over it.


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: funk51 on January 22, 2013, 03:48:30 PM
when i was in high school the shop teacher had a revolver in his desk at all times it was loaded too and usually so was he. ;D ;D ;D    times were different then.          pic isn't of actual shop teacher.


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: Mattyh7688 on January 22, 2013, 11:33:20 PM
It makes sense now. That is why you are so frakking stupid. Did you go into the chapel and prey and take bible studies? Hahahahaha idiot.
never had a chapel where I went to school and I would hardly call one class a semester bible study, when it varied and we learned more about other religions, philosophy, and world issues than anything, especially in high school and college..

My high school class also had a 100% acceptance rate into a four year college/university

Not many public schools can do that.. We had multiple Ivy League graduates, no violence, and a very controlled environment. Minus a few pill heads later in life, the majority of people I know all are doing well in life.. Was I a bit sheltered? Yes absolutely, but I can't thank my parents enough who struggled to afford the cost of tuition to provide me with a better life. It actually paid for itself in a way, where I went to college.. I received a $7500 scholarship each year for going to a Catholic school and being a member of a Catholic Church.. On a side note, I am far from religion and learning more about the church made me agnostic lol.


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: garebear on January 22, 2013, 11:40:12 PM
First – arm kindergarteners, elementary school students, high school students, anyone who goes to college. Arm teachers, postal employees, bus-drivers, hot dog vendors, Wal Mart clerks, ALL McDonald’s employees, pedestrians, drivers, bartenders, custodians, web-designers. Make sure that yoga instructors, waiters, waitresses, dry cleaners, barbers, beauticians, masseuses, welders, plumbers, carpenters, farmers, musicians, actors, directors, CEOs, accountants, mechanics, landlords, librarians, chemists, childcare workers, engineers, coaches, computer programmers, economists, editors, journalists, electricians, secretaries, real estate agents, referees and veterinarians are packing heat.


Second – place  ARMED GUARDS  in every office, bar, barbershop, school (K-Phd) – preferably one per classroom, library,  public restroom, movie theater, hospital, clinic, grocery store, hardware store, video store, coffee house, restaurant, outhouse,  shopping mall, post office, DMV, Dollar General Store, Sam’s Club, Wal Mart and bookstore.


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: kofo on January 23, 2013, 03:53:00 AM
A society that got to arm their teachers because otherwise their children will be killed, is obviously seriously failed.


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: Chadwick The Beta on January 23, 2013, 03:56:36 AM
Waiting for some phag to say, "Sure, we should arm teachers...arm them with KNOWLEDGE...arm them with TOLERANCE...etc"   ::)


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 23, 2013, 03:58:53 AM
Waiting for some phag to say, "Sure, we should arm teachers...arm them with KNOWLEDGE...arm them with TOLERANCE...etc"   ::)

 ;D ;D ;D

I don't know who you are sir, but you're going to go far here!


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: Chadwick The Beta on January 23, 2013, 04:00:23 AM
;D ;D ;D

I don't know who you are sir, but you're going to go far here!

 :D 


Title: Re: Arming our teachers
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 23, 2013, 04:00:40 AM
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