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Title: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on January 31, 2013, 02:12:04 PM
 ;D


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on January 31, 2013, 02:13:23 PM
and now 2009.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on January 31, 2013, 02:16:22 PM
les's one usa cover on MD


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Donny on February 01, 2013, 07:45:56 AM
was he a volume trainer Funk? i am sure i remember him posting on Iron Age.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 02, 2013, 09:03:17 AM
was he a volume trainer Funk? i am sure i remember him posting on Iron Age.
yes, he used to post on ironage but hasn't been on in a long time, i'll have to find that mag and see how he was supposed to train, it was in MD so it might actually be factual.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 02, 2013, 09:23:30 AM
larry scott


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Donny on February 02, 2013, 10:46:59 AM
MESAMORPHESIS right there !! (hope i spelt that right !!)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 02, 2013, 01:04:44 PM
MESAMORPHESIS right there !! (hope i spelt that right !!)
metamorsis, that's my attempt probably wrong to. here's some more scott from diff time periods.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 02, 2013, 01:07:36 PM
 ;)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 02, 2013, 01:10:48 PM
 ;) a few more larry the legend


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 02, 2013, 01:15:01 PM
 ;)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 02, 2013, 01:17:28 PM
 :)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 02, 2013, 01:20:40 PM
50's mr america john farbotnik.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 02, 2013, 01:23:07 PM
 ;) john with john fritsche gym owner and trainer and fellow mr a george eiferman.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 02, 2013, 02:10:43 PM
up next bill pearl


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 03, 2013, 07:24:27 AM
 ;)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Donny on February 03, 2013, 07:25:06 AM
Bill Pearl is another great Bodybuilder...great waistline for a big man...


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Donny on February 03, 2013, 07:26:47 AM
Great triceps too...HUGE !!!


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 03, 2013, 08:47:20 AM
Bill Pearl is another great Bodybuilder...great waistline for a big man...
:)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 03, 2013, 08:50:21 AM
Great triceps too...HUGE !!!
;)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 03, 2013, 08:55:05 AM
 :)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 03, 2013, 08:59:20 AM
next up pete grymkowski spelled wrong  ??? ??? ???


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: jpm101 on February 03, 2013, 10:28:31 AM
Larry Scott had to play catchup to his triceps, they were his dominate feature before his biceps, when he first began getting serious about going further in BB'ing. Use to do regular dips and handstand work quite a bit.  Gironda help the most with the bicep advice.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Montague on February 03, 2013, 11:03:00 AM
Larry Scott had to play catchup to his triceps, they were his dominate feature before his biceps, when he first began getting serious about going further in BB'ing. Use to do regular dips and handstand work quite a bit.  Gironda help the most with the bicep advice.


I remember a story that goes with that. After one of Larry's Weider photo shoots, the accompanying article addressed Larry's preacher curl photos, referring to them as "Scott curls" on the "Scott bench."

Upon his return, Vince - the egotist that he was - confronted Larry, who insisted it wasn't his idea, to which Vince bluntly replied, "Bullshit!"
 ;D


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 03, 2013, 12:05:43 PM
Larry Scott had to play catchup to his triceps, they were his dominate feature before his biceps, when he first began getting serious about going further in BB'ing. Use to do regular dips and handstand work quite a bit.  Gironda help the most with the bicep advice.
larry s


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: dj181 on February 03, 2013, 12:14:33 PM
and now 2009.

so how old is he there?


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 03, 2013, 12:15:02 PM

I remember a story that goes with that. After one of Larry's Weider photo shoots, the accompanying article addressed Larry's preacher curl photos, referring to them as "Scott curls" on the "Scott bench."

Upon his return, Vince - the egotist that he was - confronted Larry, who insisted it wasn't his idea, to which Vince bluntly replied, "Bullshit!"
 ;D
i can believe that from what i heard about gironda, but at least he give larry his own dressing room.couldn't find pic where gironda is pointing to a sign that he put up declaring it larry scott's dressing room. rare scott back pose pic'd.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 03, 2013, 12:20:03 PM
so how old is he there?
had to be in his sixties in pic he won mr australia in 1965 and competed in the nabba mr universe in 1966. when i find that mag  i'll check and see if it has his birthdate.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 03, 2013, 12:22:58 PM
 ;)more grymko


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 03, 2013, 12:26:10 PM
pete g


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 03, 2013, 12:28:55 PM
 :)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Donny on February 03, 2013, 12:32:37 PM
i can believe that from what i heard about gironda, but at least he give larry his own dressing room.couldn't find pic where gironda is pointing to a sign that he put up declaring it larry scott's dressing room. rare scott back pose pic'd.
this photo funk...


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: dj181 on February 03, 2013, 12:41:29 PM
had to be in his sixties in pic he won mr australia in 1965 and competed in the nabba mr universe in 1966. when i find that mag  i'll check and see if it has his birthdate.

jesus! he's in his 60s there :o :o :o

i feel like an old fuck as i just recently turned 39

guess there's hope for me yet ;D


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Montague on February 03, 2013, 12:52:02 PM
this photo funk...



Yeah, that's the one. Here's another, although I'm sure I've got a better image saved on my other computer or on a flash drive:

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTB0iHHne0XAmhfBsznmotNewJ_7NtvMxAMBzWkzwDaMK3JiMmY)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 03, 2013, 01:16:30 PM
this photo funk...

that's the one. here's a gironda before and after.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Montague on February 03, 2013, 01:20:15 PM
Funk, where is this?


(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=457281.0;attach=503573;image)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 03, 2013, 01:21:24 PM
another gironda pupil or to hear him now, he said they'd listen to vince and then would do what they thought best anyway.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 03, 2013, 01:23:09 PM
Funk, where is this?


(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=457281.0;attach=503573;image)
supposed to be bill pearl's first gym....


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 03, 2013, 01:32:45 PM
jesus! he's in his 60s there :o :o :o

i feel like an old fuck as i just recently turned 39

guess there's hope for me yet ;D
i found the mag he was 19 years old in 1965 when he won mr australia trained 6 days a week 10 exercises  5 sets each would finish off each workout with 100 sit-ups either 2 sets of 50 or one of a hundred.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 03, 2013, 01:53:46 PM
next up louie. here's the 20 dollars before hand.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 03, 2013, 01:56:50 PM
i found the mag he was 19 years old in 1965 when he won mr australia trained 6 days a week 10 exercises  5 sets each would finish off each workout with 100 sit-ups either 2 sets of 50 or one of a hundred.
a few more of les first. les's sister used to be in the mags she was one of the first fitness girls.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Montague on February 03, 2013, 02:22:56 PM
supposed to be bill pearl's first gym....


That he owned, or trained at?
It looks like a classy joint - definitely unique!


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 04, 2013, 10:38:09 AM

That he owned, or trained at?
It looks like a classy joint - definitely unique!
i looked in his book beyond the universe, they have several pics of gyms. the one he started at leo stern's had hard wood floors, pearl owned several gyms  one in manchester calif, one in pasedena, and his personal gym in a barn by his home where je still trains.here's a pic from one of them


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Donny on February 04, 2013, 10:41:25 AM
cool shirt and hair cut.. ex Navy man... :)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 04, 2013, 10:44:50 AM
supposed to be bill pearl's first gym....
if you look at the pics on wall you canmake out an old rick wayne back pose lou ferrigmo side chest and frank zane dates the pic somewhat.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 04, 2013, 10:48:00 AM
cool shirt and hair cut.. ex Navy man... :)
pearl was a navy man that's where he got the tatoo that he was forever sorry for getting.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Donny on February 04, 2013, 10:52:09 AM
yeah he has a swallow.. i got one on each side of my chest.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 04, 2013, 11:06:11 AM
yeah he has a swallow.. i got one on each side of my chest.
i think that's the same tatoos that fannie dutoit had not sure.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 04, 2013, 11:09:17 AM
louie


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 04, 2013, 02:48:44 PM
louie


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 04, 2013, 02:52:37 PM
ferrigno


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 05, 2013, 01:41:28 PM
nesxt up betril fox.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 06, 2013, 08:53:17 AM
marvin eder.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 06, 2013, 01:18:51 PM
marvin eder.
:)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 06, 2013, 01:25:05 PM
 :)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 06, 2013, 01:49:26 PM
 :)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 06, 2013, 02:11:02 PM
 :)platz


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Montague on February 06, 2013, 02:15:11 PM
:)platz


The Golden Eagle rocked a pretty good upper body in his youth. From the pic above, one would probably never have guessed he'd go on to be most famous for his wheels!


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 06, 2013, 02:22:23 PM

The Golden Eagle rocked a pretty good upper body in his youth. From the pic above, one would probably never have guessed he'd go on to be most famous for his wheels!
that's the truth could never understand how his legs took off and overshadowed his upper body.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Montague on February 06, 2013, 02:26:51 PM
that's the truth could never understand how his legs took off and overshadowed his upper body.


Yeah! And, I don't think it's because his upper body sucked, but rather his leg development was unprecedented.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 06, 2013, 02:27:02 PM
 :)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: crownshep on February 07, 2013, 08:15:41 AM
Platz squatting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-b_gcXB21A


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Montague on February 07, 2013, 08:33:35 AM
^^That kind of intensity is seldom seen.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Donny on February 07, 2013, 09:31:42 AM
^^That kind of intensity is seldom seen.
great video...


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Montague on February 07, 2013, 10:25:28 AM
great video...


Platz seems like a good guy and a very straight shooter who backs up what he says. I've heard that in his seminars years ago, he would openly and honestly answer anyone's questions, even regarding his AAS use.

I saw video of Tom training with Lee Priest from around 2008. Man, he still put in the intensity, and it's a real treat to watch him out there on the floor - very inspiring!


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: crownshep on February 07, 2013, 11:05:05 AM
Wait till he gets to leg extensions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd9HRWn8Tvg[/youtube]


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 07, 2013, 02:33:39 PM
Platz squatting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-b_gcXB21A
thanks for the video never seen that one, i always liked the one when he's doing reps with 500 plus and kazmaier is counting the reps.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 07, 2013, 02:37:36 PM
frankie c teenage mr a runnerup to boyer coe


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 07, 2013, 02:40:03 PM
and now in his 60's still competing


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Montague on February 07, 2013, 02:52:50 PM
Wait till he gets to leg extensions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd9HRWn8Tvg[/youtube]


I love it!!
I've seen a clip of the extensions before, but never the whole segment. If that hamstring machine could, I'll bet it would have smoked a cigarette after Tom's set. ;D


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: crownshep on February 08, 2013, 04:44:52 AM

I love it!!
I've seen a clip of the extensions before, but never the whole segment. If that hamstring machine could, I'll bet it would have smoked a cigarette after Tom's set. ;D

In 1986 Platz was over here in England on a seminar tour and Peter McGough did an article on him for his Muscle Co mag,and everything you see him do in these training videos is what Peter described.He said at the time when most pro`s end a set is when Tom starts,and i can understand that now with all the partials,negatives,forced reps etc.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Donny on February 08, 2013, 06:49:55 AM
yes Frank posts on IA...good Guy and i remember he said he was Judging too...


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: a_ahmed on February 08, 2013, 10:58:44 AM
Some absolutely amazing classic physiques respect!


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 08, 2013, 12:01:56 PM
 ;)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 08, 2013, 12:49:28 PM
boyer coe


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Montague on February 08, 2013, 01:23:39 PM
boyer coe


Funkster,

What's the story behind the photos Coe posed for with the naked woman? I'm sure you've seen the pics. Are you familiar with the backstory?


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 08, 2013, 03:30:23 PM

Funkster,

What's the story behind the photos Coe posed for with the naked woman? I'm sure you've seen the pics. Are you familiar with the backstory?
i know the pic i don't want to put it on here, i really don't know the back story at first i thought the women might be valerie coe but it's not. i think it was probably just something he might have shot in a foreign country figuring it would never get back here.jack lalanne and arnold both have pics out there they wish to recall.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 08, 2013, 03:33:14 PM

Funkster,

What's the story behind the photos Coe posed for with the naked woman? I'm sure you've seen the pics. Are you familiar with the backstory?
i'm going to put it on the main gossip board and see if any one knows?????


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Montague on February 08, 2013, 03:36:09 PM
i know the pic i don't want to put it on here, i really don't know the back story at first i thought the women might be valerie coe but it's not. i think it was probably just something he might have shot in a foreign country figuring it would never get back here.jack lalanne and arnold both have pics out there they wish to recall.


I believe I'm familiar with the latter two, also. ;)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 09, 2013, 12:29:23 PM
 :-\


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 10, 2013, 09:23:26 AM
vince gironda


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Montague on February 10, 2013, 11:55:18 AM
vince gironda


So many trainers have credited Gironda over the span of decades, but where did Vince get his information? They didn't have the research and scientific knowledge back then - especially regarding training and exercise nutrition.

I can't believe that Vince acquired his entire base through trial and error.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 10, 2013, 12:09:59 PM

So many trainers have credited Gironda over the span of decades, but where did Vince get his information? They didn't have the research and scientific knowledge back then - especially regarding training and exercise nutrition.

I can't believe that Vince acquired his entire base through trial and error.
just like bill pearl got started with leo stern, steve reeves with ed yarick, gironda was taught and became an instructor with the easton brothers who ran a gym in his area at the time.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 10, 2013, 12:18:59 PM
just like bill pearl got started with leo stern, steve reeves with ed yarick, gironda was taught and became an instructor with the easton brothers who ran a gym in his area at the time.
funny how each area had their training sources esp early on, john farbotnik pic'd in this thread was said to have gone from 170 lbs up to 197 in 30 days to win the aau mr america, he was from philly so of course his training guru if you will was john frische. the first guys were said to do different exercises and than figure what each move worked and accomplished guys like sig klein, jack lalanne who actually invented some of the stuff in use today in one form or other. lalanne was said to have invented selectorized weight equipment which became the universal machine which his buddy borrowed and made a fortune out of that would be harold zinkin


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Montague on February 10, 2013, 12:28:30 PM
... gironda was taught and became an instructor with the easton brothers who ran a gym in his area at the time.


That would explain the presence of the preacher bench in Vince's gym.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Donny on February 11, 2013, 06:36:23 AM
a great thread guys... lots of food for thought.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 11, 2013, 11:19:08 AM
bruce randall


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 12, 2013, 09:47:37 AM
 :-X more randall


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 12, 2013, 09:49:36 AM
 :)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 12, 2013, 09:52:03 AM
 :)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 12, 2013, 09:53:29 AM
 :)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 12, 2013, 09:55:35 AM
 :)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 12, 2013, 02:16:58 PM
next up casey v


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Donny on February 12, 2013, 03:08:42 PM
Funky Bro,,, ;D i enjoy your work here. you really do put a lot of research and personal knowledge and observations in this part of getbig.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: dj181 on February 13, 2013, 03:45:20 AM
casey v looked his best from 19-21 which is kinda strange, coz most fellas look their best or hit their peaks in their late 20s to early 30s


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 13, 2013, 09:12:15 AM
Funky Bro,,, ;D i enjoy your work here. you really do put a lot of research and personal knowledge and observations in this part of getbig.
thanks donny. 8)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 13, 2013, 09:15:53 AM
casey v looked his best from 19-21 which is kinda strange, coz most fellas look their best or hit their peaks in their late 20s to early 30s
i agree with you , it is unusual for this to happen , usually muscle maturity takes place much later.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 13, 2013, 09:17:20 AM
pics from the great colorado experiment.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 13, 2013, 09:21:31 AM
pics from the great colorado experiment.
this is [was] one of the more controversal occurences in bodybuilding history arthur jones claiming casey viator made these gains in about a monthes time on minimum nautilus HIT type workouts.  ::) ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 13, 2013, 01:28:27 PM
 :-*


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 13, 2013, 02:23:57 PM
 :D


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Montague on February 13, 2013, 04:16:04 PM
While on the topic of Casey V., here is a short interview Dave Robson conducted with the former "Mr. America" back in 2004: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson31.htm


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Borracho on February 13, 2013, 04:17:39 PM
i know the pic i don't want to put it on here, i really don't know the back story at first i thought the women might be valerie coe but it's not. i think it was probably just something he might have shot in a foreign country figuring it would never get back here.jack lalanne and arnold both have pics out there they wish to recall.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=457281.0;attach=504580;image)


Thats a great pic of zane right there.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Borracho on February 13, 2013, 04:27:54 PM
another gironda pupil or to hear him now, he said they'd listen to vince and then would do what they thought best anyway.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=457281.0;attach=503629;image)


That's a great look.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: dj181 on February 14, 2013, 05:02:13 AM
That's a great look.


yep

and IMO it's the fucking perfect look


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Montague on February 14, 2013, 05:24:56 AM
(http://www.ironguru.com/images/stories/45082750.jpg)

(http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/halloffame/DonHoworth1.jpg)


Don looked like he may have been a shade smaller than Vince's star pupil, Larry Scott, but both men had a very symmetrical structure. I believe I once read that Don deviated from Vince's diet advice during contest-prep by abstaining from the protein drinks, relying instead on liver tablets alone.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Borracho on February 14, 2013, 06:06:53 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=457281.0;attach=503627;image)


How old would you say he is in the pic above?

These guys keeping in shape as they age is a great inspiration to me. Looks great there too.



Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Borracho on February 14, 2013, 06:23:19 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=457281.0;attach=504233;image)


The Golden Eagle rocked a pretty good upper body in his youth. From the pic above, one would probably never have guessed he'd go on to be most famous for his wheels!

Its as if he didn't train legs in fear of affecting his height. Being shorter than my older brother I didn't start training with weights till I was about 20 cause I was always told I would no longer grow. Don't know if there's any scientific data to prove that but now its too late to go back in time even if its not true.  :P

that's the truth could never understand how his legs took off and overshadowed his upper body.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=457281.0;attach=504241;image)

Ok here we see some actual leg development...pic above none at all.

Great thread btw...I think it's no coincidence the people who've made it far have been into this since very early on. A lot of these guys where already taking half naked pics as they were going through puberty.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Archer77 on February 14, 2013, 06:25:07 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=457281.0;attach=503627;image)


How old would you say he is in the pic above?

These guys keeping in shape as they age is a great inspiration to me. Looks great there too.



I couldn't agree more.  I'd love to be in half as good of shape at that age.   I'm soon to be 36 and I've started really thinking about that a lot lately. 


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Montague on February 14, 2013, 06:31:02 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=457281.0;attach=503627;image)


How old would you say he is in the pic above?

These guys keeping in shape as they age is a great inspiration to me. Looks great there too.




I'm only guesstimating, but I'd say Don's around his late-40's there. Age is often hard to tell simply by looking at some people.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Borracho on February 14, 2013, 06:50:30 AM
I couldn't agree more.  I'd love to be in half as good of shape at that age.   I'm soon to be 36 and I've started really thinking about that a lot lately. 

Going on 32 myself and the paranoia of becoming old and frail is setting in with me as well  ;D


I'm only guesstimating, but I'd say Don's around his late-40's there. Age is often hard to tell simply by looking at some people.

I see he was born in 1935....would have to know what year the pic was taken in...regardless I think thats a good estimate. 


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 14, 2013, 07:25:55 AM
Going on 32 myself and the paranoia of becoming old and frail is setting in with me as well  ;D

I see he was born in 1935....would have to know what year the pic was taken in...regardless I think thats a good estimate. 
according to my records pic of don was taken in 1990 making him 55 at the time :o :o :o :o


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Borracho on February 14, 2013, 07:31:03 AM
according to my records pic of don was taken in 1990 making him 55 at the time :o :o :o :o

See archer we're still young kids...lol

Great pics funk...thanks!


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 14, 2013, 07:31:11 AM
That's a great look.



Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 14, 2013, 07:34:11 AM
See archer we're still young kids...lol

Great pics funk...thanks!
you guys are youngsters just entering your prime..... ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 14, 2013, 07:36:24 AM
 ;)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 14, 2013, 07:39:12 AM
 ;)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: dj181 on February 14, 2013, 07:48:56 AM
that's a damn cool pic 8) 8) 8)

Don has OUTSTANDING STRUCTURE

wide clavicles, narrow ass hips, and tiny joints 8)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Borracho on February 14, 2013, 07:58:13 AM
Glad I clicked on this thread funk...some awesome pics in here. And x2 dj he looks sick!


(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=457281.0;attach=505433;image)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=457281.0;attach=505428;image)


BOOM!!!


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Donny on February 14, 2013, 08:03:16 AM
great looking Body.... :)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 14, 2013, 08:15:45 AM
:D
back to casey v


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 14, 2013, 08:47:44 AM
up next mike mentzer and ray also


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 14, 2013, 08:50:44 AM
 ;)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: dj181 on February 14, 2013, 12:12:44 PM
 8) 8) 8)

(http://www.sportowiec.org/pub/images/editor/zdjeciasierpien2012/Arthur_Jones_Casey_Viator.jpg)

(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/viator/vi215.jpg)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=275816.0;attach=315305;image)

(http://www.t-nation.com/img/photos/bestFistLiver2_files/image010.jpg)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 14, 2013, 03:21:01 PM
8) 8) 8)

(http://www.sportowiec.org/pub/images/editor/zdjeciasierpien2012/Arthur_Jones_Casey_Viator.jpg)

(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/viator/vi215.jpg)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=275816.0;attach=315305;image)

(http://www.t-nation.com/img/photos/bestFistLiver2_files/image010.jpg)
arthur jones was an innovator and defintely not a guy to be trifled with, his  appearance on david  letterman was classic you could see the fear in letterman's eyes from some of the things jones said.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 14, 2013, 03:22:08 PM
 :P


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 14, 2013, 03:23:36 PM
 :P mm


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: dj181 on February 14, 2013, 03:37:50 PM
arthur jones was an innovator and defintely not a guy to be trifled with, his  appearance on david  letterman was classic you could see the fear in letterman's eyes from some of the things jones said.

yep

AJ was a true "man's man"

i read an interview of Casey V in a muscle mag some years back, and Case said something like "a very scary individual, stay the hell out of his way" when he talked about AJ


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 14, 2013, 03:57:25 PM
 :-X


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 14, 2013, 04:13:19 PM
 :-X


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 16, 2013, 01:41:10 PM
 ;)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 16, 2013, 01:53:55 PM
 ;)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Montague on February 16, 2013, 02:13:47 PM
So, Funk:
Spill the beans, man...

I know you've got the inside scoop somewhere in your knowledge bank. How did Mentzer TRULY train during his formative years? So many people dispute that he used his HIT methods, insisting instead that he relied on more conventional - some even claim "hypertrophy-specific" - training.

What's the deal?


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 16, 2013, 02:42:15 PM
So, Funk:
Spill the beans, man...

I know you've got the inside scoop somewhere in your knowledge bank. How did Mentzer TRULY train during his formative years? So many people dispute that he used his HIT methods, insisting instead that he relied on more conventional - some even claim "hypertrophy-specific" - training.

What's the deal?
from what i understand he was more into volume early on in his career and switched to HIT after he met and talked to art jones.he was good friends with david mastoriss from boston mass who also claims to have switched over to HIT or nautulis type training, only actually met mentzer once in allentown no less, he was from harrisburg area.d-mass is still around.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: dj181 on February 16, 2013, 03:01:33 PM
So, Funk:
Spill the beans, man...

I know you've got the inside scoop somewhere in your knowledge bank. How did Mentzer TRULY train during his formative years? So many people dispute that he used his HIT methods, insisting instead that he relied on more conventional - some even claim "hypertrophy-specific" - training.

What's the deal?

from what i understand, he trained full-body 3 times per week doing one set til failure on about 15 exercises from 1974-1976

and then in 1977-1979 he trained 4 days per week on a 2-way split

day 1 was chest/tri/legs
day 2 was back/bi/delt

here he did about 4-6 failure sets per bodypart


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 17, 2013, 08:50:40 AM
also mentzer never counted his warmup sets in the plan he might have done 2-5 warm up sets but only counted 1or 2 heavy to failure sets as his workout sets.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 17, 2013, 08:54:14 AM
 :) mike dayton ta mr a and later the chi master


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 17, 2013, 08:57:22 AM
 :) doris b


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Montague on February 17, 2013, 09:26:33 AM
also mentzer never counted his warmup sets in the plan he might have done 2-5 warm up sets but only counted 1or 2 heavy to failure sets as his workout sets.


Funny. I've honestly heard the same thing about Dorian, too. ;)
It was in FLEX or MMI back around the late-90's. I forget who wrote the article.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 17, 2013, 09:39:58 AM
more d-mass. youngest guy to enter mr america ifbb version 15.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 17, 2013, 09:42:47 AM
 ;)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Montague on February 17, 2013, 09:51:08 AM
Dayton was also a martial artist and put on demonstrations of strength; although, some were a bit "gimmicky."


(http://www.davedraper.com/fusionbb/fbbuploads/med_1303412539-dayton.jpg)

(http://www.gmv.com.au/images/products/GMV-008PIC2.jpg)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: dj181 on February 17, 2013, 10:13:26 AM
also mentzer never counted his warmup sets in the plan he might have done 2-5 warm up sets but only counted 1or 2 heavy to failure sets as his workout sets.

true, he most likely did 3 or 4 warm-up sets for the 1st exercise and then 1 or 2 for all other following exercises


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Mr Nobody on February 17, 2013, 10:15:00 AM
Yes Dave had great genes and was one of the first HIT trainees.

http://www.iron-age-classic-bodybuilding.com/dave_mastorakis.html


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: dj181 on February 17, 2013, 10:58:00 AM
Yes Dave had great genes and was one of the first HIT trainees.

http://www.iron-age-classic-bodybuilding.com/dave_mastorakis.html

hi dave :D


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Mr Nobody on February 17, 2013, 11:12:39 AM
hi dave :D
Not Dave he was short.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: dj181 on February 17, 2013, 11:21:05 AM
Not Dave he was short.

 ;D

but so was mike and case


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 17, 2013, 12:22:15 PM
Dayton was also a martial artist and put on demonstrations of strength; although, some were a bit "gimmicky."


(http://www.davedraper.com/fusionbb/fbbuploads/med_1303412539-dayton.jpg)

(http://www.gmv.com.au/images/products/GMV-008PIC2.jpg)

never saw him in person but remember him from his tv appearances, he used to break police handcuffs, explode a basketball hang himself as you pic'd, he always wanted to jump off the golden gate bridge but was never allowed, he eventually jumped off a lesser known bridge and broke his leg, his sister laura worked for one of the muscle mags back then.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 17, 2013, 12:26:16 PM
never saw him in person but remember him from his tv appearances, he used to break police handcuffs, explode a basketball hang himself as you pic'd, he always wanted to jump off the golden gate bridge but was never allowed, he eventually jumped off a lesser known bridge and broke his leg, his sister laura worked for one of the muscle mags back then.
:) :)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 17, 2013, 12:31:38 PM
;D

but so was mike and case
but not as short as dave, actually saw him in person at a contest in allentown the mr eastern america won by robert reis. zane guest posed at the show.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: dj181 on February 17, 2013, 01:48:13 PM
but not as short as dave, actually saw him in person at a contest in allentown the mr eastern america won by robert reis. zane guest posed at the show.

King Zane to you

(http://anthonymychal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/frank-zane1.jpg)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 17, 2013, 02:01:17 PM
King Zane to you

(http://anthonymychal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/frank-zane1.jpg)
okay than


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 18, 2013, 09:02:18 AM
 :-[john citrone


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Mr Nobody on February 18, 2013, 09:04:47 AM
:-[john citrone
Arnold ruling as always.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 18, 2013, 12:35:46 PM
a lot of lifters were frustrated bodybuilders here's a few and some who went the other way due to health or injuries.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 18, 2013, 12:37:55 PM
 :P


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 18, 2013, 12:48:36 PM
 :P


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 20, 2013, 01:45:20 PM
dave draper smooth jersey guy to california legend....


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 20, 2013, 01:54:15 PM
 ;)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 20, 2013, 01:57:14 PM
 :)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 20, 2013, 01:58:07 PM
youn d-mass pic


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 20, 2013, 02:00:54 PM
 ;)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Borracho on February 20, 2013, 03:10:07 PM
King Zane to you

(http://anthonymychal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/frank-zane1.jpg)

What an aesthetic mofo!!

Nice pic.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Montague on February 20, 2013, 03:17:17 PM
What an aesthetic mofo!!

Nice pic.


Zane is often criticized for being "small." Maybe he was in relation to guys like Arnold, and especially his later successors...but, Frank carried an appreciable amount of size. His biggest strengths were his shape, symmetry and lines.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Borracho on February 20, 2013, 03:58:46 PM

Zane is often criticized for being "small." Maybe he was in relation to guys like Arnold, and especially his later successors...but, Frank carried an appreciable amount of size. His biggest strengths were his shape, symmetry and lines.

You know what it is...

Its the guys who have 30-40 pounds of fat above the little muscle that they have saying stuff like that...that he was small.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Montague on February 20, 2013, 04:41:37 PM
You know what it is...

Its the guys who have 30-40 pounds of fat above the little muscle that they have saying stuff like that...that he was small.


Yep. Guys who are Zane's "size" and think it's no big deal. Meanwhile, Zane was in contest shape, while the others are 25+% body fat.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Borracho on February 20, 2013, 05:42:20 PM

Yep. Guys who are Zane's "size" and think it's no big deal. Meanwhile, Zane was in contest shape, while the others are 25+% body fat.

You're 100% right on his shape and symmetry...

Obviously if he didn't have that he'd just be a "small" guy compared to today's freaks.

He had a pleasing physique...a kind that any straight man would look at and say....wow...that's just beautiful!!!


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Borracho on February 20, 2013, 05:43:55 PM
forgot to say no homo lol


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 21, 2013, 08:22:55 AM
 ;D


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 21, 2013, 08:26:39 AM
 >:(


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Donny on February 21, 2013, 08:32:51 AM
Frank zane... ;)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: dj181 on February 21, 2013, 08:34:32 AM
He had a pleasing physique...a kind that any straight man would look at and say....wow...that's just beautiful!!!

true dat 8)

but the sad thing is.... i tell myself gorgeous and slim sexy females get all hot and bothered when they see that bod, but in reality it's not so true :'( :'( :'(

case in point, i have or have had contact with a few slim gorgeous and sexy females, and when i show them that exact pic and ask them how they like and feel about it, they almost always say to me that he's a bit too big and too lean as well

and this is hard for me to fucking hear this coz i'm convinced that when sexy women (notice i'm only talking bout fit and sexy females here) see him they go crazy with lust, but that's not so much true :'(


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 22, 2013, 12:00:56 PM
true dat 8)

but the sad thing is.... i tell myself gorgeous and slim sexy females get all hot and bothered when they see that bod, but in reality it's not so true :'( :'( :'(

case in point, i have or have had contact with a few slim gorgeous and sexy females, and when i show them that exact pic and ask them how they like and feel about it, they almost always say to me that he's a bit too big and too lean as well

and this is hard for me to fucking hear this coz i'm convinced that when sexy women (notice i'm only talking bout fit and sexy females here) see him they go crazy with lust, but that's not so much true :'(
times and tastes change, but i never heard any one say this guy was ugly.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 22, 2013, 12:02:45 PM
 :)steve davis b and aft


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on February 22, 2013, 12:07:14 PM
 ;)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Borracho on February 22, 2013, 02:42:09 PM
true dat 8)

but the sad thing is.... i tell myself gorgeous and slim sexy females get all hot and bothered when they see that bod, but in reality it's not so true :'( :'( :'(

case in point, i have or have had contact with a few slim gorgeous and sexy females, and when i show them that exact pic and ask them how they like and feel about it, they almost always say to me that he's a bit too big and too lean as well

and this is hard for me to fucking hear this coz i'm convinced that when sexy women (notice i'm only talking bout fit and sexy females here) see him they go crazy with lust, but that's not so much true :'(

ime what women say and what they do is completely different  ;D

And I know I'll never look like that but I can at least try  :D



Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: dj181 on February 22, 2013, 03:24:24 PM
ime what women say and what they do is completely different  ;D

And I know I'll never look like that but I can at least try  :D



well man, it's supposed to be very important for females what goes on in a man's insides ie. his character and heart, so maybe i still got some kind of chance ;D


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on March 29, 2013, 12:23:09 PM
 :)larry the legend down thru the years.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on April 02, 2013, 12:21:37 PM
 :D i guess branch w is old enough to be part of this section now. ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on April 02, 2013, 12:23:25 PM
 :)


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on September 25, 2014, 11:43:31 AM
 ;D bring back thread


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: TheShape. on March 15, 2015, 06:45:35 PM
I've got to say every time I look at this thread it really inspires me to workout. Guys like Boyer Coe and Don Howorth just have beautiful proportional physiques.


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: Lord Humungous on March 30, 2015, 06:51:28 PM
Has anyone  see the Master Mr O photos when Viator entered? I tried to find them but couldn't, I think it was one of the years that Big WooWee was competing. 


Title: Re: before and after.
Post by: funk51 on April 18, 2016, 02:48:43 PM
Has anyone  see the Master Mr O photos when Viator entered? I tried to find them but couldn't, I think it was one of the years that Big WooWee was competing. 
this is the only one i remember seeing.