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Title: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 10, 2005, 09:19:45 PM
Name him!

Shoe shot coming up in next posting......

If his name is on the picture........ IGNORE IT


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 10, 2005, 09:23:33 PM
Later and after a couple of leg workouts.......


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 10, 2005, 09:47:11 PM
Another



Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 10, 2005, 09:51:36 PM
Tuff one! Who is it and what state title did he win in what year?


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 10, 2005, 10:03:56 PM
Can you name at least one of the guys standing here waiting for the call outs?


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 10, 2005, 10:09:05 PM
Recognize anyone? Old shot.



Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: 619Rules on December 10, 2005, 11:49:14 PM
Tuff one! Who is it and what state title did he win in what year?

Tom Varga-Middleweight....AZ maybe?


Can you name at least one of the guys standing here waiting for the call outs?

Looks like I see Bob Reis in the background.........


Recognize anyone? Old shot.

No clue here.......dude looks good though!


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: crownshep on December 11, 2005, 05:33:21 AM
Is the guy in the blue trunks waiting for a call out Larry Jackson,the guy in the bottom pic showing abs looks like the wrestler Rick Rude.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: Glowboy on December 11, 2005, 08:23:19 AM
     Waiting for callouts: Larry Jackson, Bob Reis, Manny Perry, and Fred Shandor.

      Crownshep, I think the bodybuilder in the "old shot" is Larry Gordon.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: Glowboy on December 11, 2005, 08:25:15 AM
      In the callouts, if not Manny Perry, could it be Sam Sanchez.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 11, 2005, 10:40:15 AM
You guys are good! I was there and have a hard time recalling the names.

Thanks for the memory jolt.

This is an old one taken at the start of his competitive days while he was in the Army .....

Glowboy - you are correct on Jackson, Reis, and Perry but I am not sure about Shandor.

Yea, Crownship, that is Larry Gordon. What is Larry doing these days?

619 - Arizona is correct but that is Yokely. Sorry but I forget his first name. I saw him enter the Nationals once but he didn't place real high and I never saw him compete again.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 11, 2005, 10:49:47 AM
Another BB from the past...... whose name I forgot. Any help?


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: 619Rules on December 11, 2005, 10:52:53 AM
Glowboy knows his shit>>>>>>>he has hit a few of these old Guess Who's now............


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 11, 2005, 10:55:44 AM
Name both. Relatively easy.....



Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 11, 2005, 11:01:24 AM
This should be fairly easy.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 11, 2005, 11:10:18 AM
This was taken the year that the USA was held at the Sand's Hotel in Las Vegas. I don't reacall the year.

I think that Peter and the Gold's guys promoted it. Mr T and other celebrities were in the audiance. This was one of the better athletes in the contest but I forget how he placed.

Alan Ichinose won that  year.

Just goes to show you how much things have changed since then.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: Glowboy on December 11, 2005, 11:50:05 AM
      Stuntmovie, thank you for posting the great photos.  I think the bodybuilder displaying the impressive single bicep/abominal pose is  Don Peterson.  I remember he was a short class competitor and had really outstanding pectoral development.

       The photo of the guys in street clothes look like Doc Neely on the right and Dave Rogers on the left.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: 619Rules on December 11, 2005, 11:54:15 AM
This should be fairly easy.

Bill Grant and..............possibl y............Bev Francis?


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: Bix on December 11, 2005, 02:16:13 PM
This was taken the year that the USA was held at the Sand's Hotel in Las Vegas. I don't reacall the year.

I think that Peter and the Gold's guys promoted it. Mr T and other celebrities were in the audiance. This was one of the better athletes in the contest but I forget how he placed.

Alan Ichinose won that  year.

Just goes to show you how much things have changed since then.


James Hampton


James in 2001.......


(http://www.repetrope.com/assets/content/Media01/galleries/13037/fullsize/13037-hampton-j-14.jpg)


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: 619Rules on December 11, 2005, 04:46:54 PM
Never heard of James Hampton before....but that dude is hard as nails.......is he a middleweight or lightheavy?


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: onlyme on December 11, 2005, 05:44:26 PM
Man that Hampton looks awesome.  He is as good as anyone out there today.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: 619Rules on December 11, 2005, 05:47:55 PM
Man that Hampton looks awesome.  He is as good as anyone out there today.

I agree 100%-wierd we have never seen or heard of him before.......reminds me of Kevin Hall a bit.........


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 11, 2005, 07:27:34 PM
Ya know, all this time I did not realize that that was a picture of James Hampton and I got to admit that he is one of the most impressive bodybuilders I've seen in the past ten years. Very solid, symmetrical and no protruding gut.

How is Hampton doing today? Thanks for clarifying that, Bix.


Yep, 619, that is Bev Francis and Billy Grant.

Glow, you are definitely right on DOc Neely and Dave Rogers. The original photo includes the rest of Dave's family but I cropped it unless I get permission to post it.

And I think you are right about Don Peterson too. Since  you are getting these names correct fairly easy, I'll do my best to post some difficult ones from here on out.







Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 11, 2005, 07:34:48 PM
Hard ones to identify. Mainly posted for Glowboy to ID........ If it turns out too dark, I can lighten it up later.





Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 11, 2005, 07:42:01 PM
GLowboy, this should be a tuff one for ya but one of the guys should be easily ID'd by ya...



Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: 619Rules on December 11, 2005, 07:43:34 PM
Hard ones to identify. Mainly posted for Glowboy to ID........ If it turns out too dark, I can lighten it up later.

I am calling Eddie Giuliani of World Gym fame  on the left, and the next one on the right as Manny Perry........dont recognize the last 2-glowboy can fill in the blanks.... ;D


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 11, 2005, 08:34:17 PM
Rules, I think you are right, but let's hold off the award till Glowboy verifies.

This one should be eady to ID at least one of the persons. Almost impossible to ID the others though.

Notice that two are twins.





Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 11, 2005, 08:38:58 PM
Long while back.......


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 11, 2005, 08:47:56 PM
Another Hampton shot.  In my opinion, he turned out to be one  of the best bodybuilders of all time.

That should start a major argument.

It appears to me that James just took his time and got better and better and better like that Energizer bunny. Did he ever win any major titles?



Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 11, 2005, 08:53:08 PM
Everyone can name two but who is the third? He did win a few small contests but even Glowboy will fail this one.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: onlyme on December 11, 2005, 09:47:48 PM
That doesn't look like Eddie.  And I don't think that is is Manny.  The middle guy (blond) looks like an old friend of mine Robert Armbrust


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: Dan-O on December 11, 2005, 10:22:01 PM
Long while back.......

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=45883.0;id=48893;image)

That is of course Richard Baldwin, who used to train in Florida with the late inaugural Ms. America (1980) winner Laura Combes, and they also competed in mixed pairs contests.

Laura's degree of muscularity was considered shocking in the late 70's and early 80's.  Does anyone remember seeing her featured on the TV show Real People in 1979?  Yet Laura herself made the prophetic statement that women would come after her who would make her "look like a kid."



Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 12, 2005, 12:23:19 AM
Thanks, Dan-O. Never had the honor of meeting Combes but I do remember her and how good she was back then.

Here's a couple that might pose some difficulties ......

I think I posted them earlier but this is another appropriate occasion. How about the bodybuilder's name, approximate date, and location. Here's a hint: He won the Mr International (IFBB) within a year of taking this picture.



Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 12, 2005, 12:27:45 AM
The guy is easy. Sad to say he passed away a couple of years back, but who is the lady?


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 12, 2005, 12:34:10 AM
Name him and the gym he trained in when and where this shot was taken and approximate date of same.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 12, 2005, 12:38:25 AM
What is he doing now?


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 12, 2005, 12:49:01 AM
One of the originals and a heck of a good guy. Name him and what is he doing today?



Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: Lord Humungous on December 12, 2005, 06:15:28 AM
One of the originals and a heck of a good guy. Name him and what is he doing today?



Not sure Stunt but kinda looks like Dave Dupre?


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: Glowboy on December 12, 2005, 06:52:11 AM
      Thanks, Stuntmovie.  Yeah, you posted some tough ones this time.  I think that is Dave Dupree in the background of the group of four pumping up photo.  I see the great natural bodybuilder Eddie Love seated in the background of the most muscular photo.  Nice photo of Richard Baldwin and Billy Smith. 

     You have a great and unique collection of photos.  I appreciate you posting them.  Got some thinking to do on some of those other bodybuilders. 


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: Glowboy on December 12, 2005, 06:55:38 AM
     Stuntmovie, one more guess.  The two bodybuilders with Bill Grant look like Marty and Pete Vranicar.  Almost didn't recognize Marty V. without the mustache. 


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: Dan-O on December 12, 2005, 07:23:00 AM
Name him and the gym he trained in when and where this shot was taken and approximate date of same.

Is that Jon Aranita?

Although I would have no idea about when & where as I was never a part of the west coast scene way back when.  I would guess early 80's.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: Glowboy on December 12, 2005, 09:42:17 AM
     Stuntmovie, those other two bodybuilders in the group of four pumping up might be Robert Smith and Joe Nazario. 

     The bodybuilder posing the most muscular (with Eddie Love seated in the background) looks like Mike Arnold.

      The bodybuilder accompanying Arnold and Dave Draper looks a bit like Frank Pantoja.

       It has been a lot of years ago that I have even thought of those names so my memory is probably a little rusty.  But, that is the best effort it wants to conjure up.  Thanks for the posting the photos.  They really do bring back many memories.

      Oh yeah, I am thinking the Mr. International bodybuilder is Andreas Cahling.  I do not know the location.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 12, 2005, 10:50:36 AM
Lord and GLowboy, You guys are correct on Dave Dupree in both cases. Anyone know how to contact him?

Correct on Billy Smith and Richard Baldwin too.

Negative on Jon Aranita, Dan-O.

Glowboy, not sure about RObert Smith but that is definitely NOT Joe Nazario who was a great friend many years ago before we lost contact.

Yes on Eddie Love and not sure about Mike Arnold.

The International winner is not Andreas. It is Bob Birdsong who was definitely one solid mass of muscle back then.

As a side, it is interesting to note that most of the guys back then stayed in great and solid shape all year round and a small waist was critical for winning contests. When Bob won the International, he was exceptionally great.

The young guy with Arnold and Dave in the trees is a frend of mine who used to train with Ed Corney at Ed's Gym  in Fremont, California. He won a few contests but don't ask me which ones because I don't remember. He and Arnold hung out for a week of adventures while Arnold was stuck in Hawaii until he managed to get a return flight home... long story there.

Glow, I believe you are correct about the Vranicar brothers too. Whatever happened to them?


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 12, 2005, 10:58:28 AM
Easy one. Name both!

Where was it taken? Who produced the contest?

And what is that big thing in the background? (I know these answers - I THINK)


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 12, 2005, 11:03:47 AM
Easy one. Where is he now.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: 619Rules on December 12, 2005, 11:11:35 AM
What is he doing now?

Billy Smith is running a nutrition company-it was posted on the gossip board-there is a link for it somewhere.

Robby guest posed at the LA Open in 1989-and Arnold showed up- Bill Smith was robbed of a first place finish by some of the worst judging I have ever seen. He dominated the HVY WT's , just as Tom Wiggins dominated the LT HVY's, and the both were given second place. Jeff Snead-not a bad BBer won and should have NEVER beaten Bill Smith.

On a side note Bill Smith worked the counter for Gold's Gym Venice back then..........


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 12, 2005, 11:14:51 AM
Below - one hell of a great guy. I believe that only he and Tony Pierson were the two bodybuilders to ever win the Jr USA and Jr America the same years. Could be wrong though. Pictures were taken off season if I recall right.

Stopped by Gold's in Santa Monica once to pick Ernie up and take him out to lunch and found him just about passed out on the floor claiming that he still had to train.

So Pete comes over and tells me to watch him close because he just finished one hell of a workout and ended up doing legs with Platz and was a little "fuzzed up" in the head at present and still thought that he just got to the gym for a workout. Then just about that time while I was helping Ernie get up from the floor, another "fuzzed up" competitor walked out of the gym right in front of a moving car and breaks his leg. Those low carb days were tuff to live through.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 12, 2005, 11:20:12 AM
Here's a photo of someone previously mentioned.  Thanks for the Smith update, Rules!


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: 619Rules on December 12, 2005, 11:48:20 AM
Joe Nazzario-Mr International.....the only two Mr Internatinals I know are him and Andreas Cahling.

BTW-Cahling  was working out at my gym in Solana Beach in the mid 90's and he looked great. Then he stopped weight training and only did yoga-dropped a lot of weight-looked to be about 160-170 tops, maybe less.

Cahlig has started selling all his clothes-not just posng trunks-on EBAY.......will post a link later.....


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 12, 2005, 11:49:29 AM
Rules, thanks for the Andreas update.

How come no one has taken a guess at the guy in the black and white, tank top, double bi, photo up above?

Too hard or just too evident?

Whatever happened to Judy? She went to Las Vegas about five years ago and has not been heard from since!


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: 619Rules on December 12, 2005, 11:51:35 AM
Contact Andreas Cahling here:



http://stores.ebay.com/Andreas-Cahling-Bodybuilding-Store_W0QQsspagenameZL2QQtZkm

Here is a recent pic of AC-looking very good for his age-better than most:


http://cgi3.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=andreas_cahling


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 12, 2005, 11:57:14 AM
Thanks, Rules!

Here's a shot of Dennis _________ and Larry ____________ who have been posting subjects on a number of occasions here.

Left the blanks so that you "newbies" can make a guess.

If I recall right, I took this shot in the mid 60's at the Embassy Hotel Theatre during one of the Cal contests. This was probably the same night that John COrvello beat Bill  ___?____ for the overall Cal title.

Those were the glory days of this crazy sport. Nothing big but everything great!


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: onlyme on December 12, 2005, 01:20:22 PM
The contact sheet is Ernie Santiago.  Billy Smith started Nutrtionanylisis(?) with Neal Spruce back in the early 90's.  Something happened and they split apart.  Nutritionanyalisis(?) was then changed to APEX.  Which has made Neal many and many more millions of dollar.  Last time I knew where Billy was he was operating his own nutrition program out of Gold's Venice where he had an office.  He was a huge guy.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: 619Rules on December 12, 2005, 01:47:45 PM
The contact sheet is Ernie Santiago.  Billy Smith started Nutrtionanylisis(?) with Neal Spruce back in the early 90's.  Something happened and they split apart.  Nutritionanyalisis(?) was then changed to APEX.  Which has made Neal many and many more millions of dollar.  Last time I knew where Billy was he was operating his own nutrition program out of Gold's Venice where he had an office.  He was a huge guy.

I used to work out with Neal Spruce's old roommate in 1983- a former pro football player (USFL) named  Kenny McGinnity. Neal and Kenny were living in San Jose and training at the California Gym-which was the major hardcore gym down there- and Neal was waiting tables at night so he could train during the day. Neal also owned his own home which is one reason he would not move down to Venice-which Neal eventually did do.

Neal hosted a Saturday afternoon "muscle movie" which came on once a week for a very small, very minor San Jose TV station.  Neal was very close to going pro in the early 80's........finishing in the top 5 at the USA and Nationals numerous times.......Last time I saw neal was in the Cal in 1989 or 1990-he did not place.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: knny187 on December 12, 2005, 02:47:24 PM
As usual.....

good pictures & history Stunt


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: Bix on December 12, 2005, 04:39:16 PM
The guy is easy. Sad to say he passed away a couple of years back, but who is the lady?


Thats Patty M.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: Bix on December 12, 2005, 04:50:59 PM
     Stuntmovie, one more guess.  The two bodybuilders with Bill Grant look like Marty and Pete Vranicar.  Almost didn't recognize Marty V. without the mustache. 

Don't know who they are but they're not the Vranicar brothers .


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: Bix on December 12, 2005, 04:53:13 PM
That's Pat Ruelle with the blond hair , he was a hippy , wore his long hair pulled back in a pony tail .
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=45883.0;id=48886;image)


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: Bix on December 12, 2005, 05:00:50 PM
Here's Dave from a few years ago ...



Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: 619Rules on December 12, 2005, 08:51:54 PM
Thats Patty M.

And who the hell was Patty M?............... ::)


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: Flex 215 on December 12, 2005, 10:15:40 PM
           Hey Stuntmovie, Crownshep said this guy looked like Rick Rude the wrestler, but you never said if he was right or not. Is it Rude or is it Denny Gable?


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 12, 2005, 11:05:12 PM
FLex. that is Larry Gordon. Glowboy ID'd him correctly earlier.

I'm sorry but I don't recognize Rick Rude in any of the photos I took.

Here's another Larry Gordon shot taken at the "Mr America Parade" when Ken Sprague and Gold's Gym promoted it in Santa Monica. That was one heck of an unreal weekend.



Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 12, 2005, 11:14:04 PM
The Mr America Parade....... I think this was the same weekend when Mae West handed out the overall winner's trophy to Dave Johns at the Santa Monica Civic.

Her eyesight was not too good so Burt Goodrich escorted her onstage. She was just a little old lady while waiting backstage but when she walked out front of that curtain she definitely was Mae West. An amazing and immediate transformation.

She invented that persona/character completely.

The only other person I've seen pull that kind of transformation off completely was Paul Rubens/Pee Wee Herman. Another show business genius.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 12, 2005, 11:22:03 PM
I'm surprised that no one has identified Rory Leidelmeyer  yet.

Here's another Mr America Parade shot.

I think that Ken Sprague was the only contest promoter who actually used a real live symphony orchestra for the contestants' music. It was a high school symphony orchestra but I do recall them being pretty darn good.

He even had a special SM newspaper (special edition) published for the event and every judge in attendance got paid in accordance with the number of miles they traveled to show up at the contest.



Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 12, 2005, 11:29:40 PM
Ken Sprague ..... Bodybuilding Contest Promoter of the Century.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 12, 2005, 11:39:20 PM
Name 'em all .......



Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 12, 2005, 11:51:38 PM
Another series of pictures I shot so long ago.  I think Bill's girlfriend was named Kathy but not real sure about that nowadays. (SHe is in the third picture leaning on the oly bar)


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 12, 2005, 11:56:03 PM
Comparison shots glued together as it was done in the old days,

Name 'em.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 13, 2005, 12:03:05 AM
Good memories here!


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 13, 2005, 12:11:22 AM
Find Ernie........ and give his last name...... and then ask me about his precontest dieting.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: Hurricane Beef ! on December 13, 2005, 07:05:47 AM
And who the hell was Patty M?............... ::)

Come on, you must know who Patty M was, your the OLD SCHOOL GURU


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: Bix on December 13, 2005, 07:16:23 AM
Find Ernie........ and give his last name...... and then ask me about his precontest dieting.


Ernie Santiago


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 13, 2005, 08:27:45 AM
Yes, Bix, way before he started competing nationally. His precontest diet consisted just about totally of raw fish which is pretty abundant in Hawaii.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: onlyme on December 13, 2005, 10:43:20 AM
Pete looked good.  Heard Ernie may make a comeback and compete in the Masters.  Man that parade always gets me.  Stunt remember when I had all the bodybuilders and powerlifters holding the huge parade float I sponsored with Purely Hawaiian in the Jeep/Aloha Bowl Parade Waikiki  Alan was in really good shape for that.  EVeryone liked the big guys holding the float.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 13, 2005, 03:45:05 PM
I sure do remember that, Only.
 
Be honest here ........ Would you agree when me when I say that BODYBUILDING and the SPORT of Bodybuilding and the whole damn shebang including the gyms - was something completely and totally different and lots more fun and reputable back in the 70's?
 
It kind of all made a change for the WORSE when the gyms got bought out by BIG BUSINESS and when the idea of PERSONAL TRAINERS came into existance. I do recall those first few years when you had to attend a "school" to get "licensed" to become a trainer so you could train your friends in the gym.
 
That "trainer" was one of the most obnoxious SOB's I've ever met and she flunked all the competitive bodybuilders who took her course.  And she kept on telling me all sorts of bullshit about how she could train a Bodybuilding Champion in half the time that I could.
 
I think she had a track background and ................ ahhh, forget it.
 
Back in the old days, eveyone in the gym helped eveyone else for free and never had their paws out for $60 plus an hour. In my humble opinion, the PT business is one of the biggest scams since the days of Snake Oil Salesmen, and we still got a lot of them around too.
 
OK, back to some photos. Here's a relatively new one. Easy to ID.



Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: knny187 on December 13, 2005, 03:52:33 PM
I sure do remember that, Only.
 
Be honest here ........ Would you agree when me when I say that BODYBUILDING and the SPORT of Bodybuilding and the whole damn shebang including the gyms - was something completely and totally different and lots more fun and reputable back in the 70's?
 
It kind of all made a change for the WORSE when the gyms got bought out by BIG BUSINESS and when the idea of PERSONAL TRAINERS came into existance. I do recall those first few years when you had to attend a "school" to get "licensed" to become a trainer so you could train your friends in the gym.
 
That "trainer" was one of the most obnoxious SOB's I've ever met and she flunked all the competitive bodybuilders who took her course.  And she kept on telling me all sorts of bullshit about how she could train a Bodybuilding Champion in half the time that I could.
 
I think she had a track background and ................ ahhh, forget it.
 
Back in the old days, eveyone in the gym helped eveyone else for free and never had their paws out for $60 plus an hour. In my humble opinion, the PT business is one of the biggest scams since the days of Snake Oil Salesmen, and we still got a lot of them around too.
 
OK, back to some photos. Here's a relatively new one. Easy to ID.



I agree with you Stunt.

PT is a scam & trainers should not be making as much as some are.

I do believe some people need a full time work out partner to crack a whip on them because they have no drive.

Out here in so cal....I know plenty of trainers that make $75-$100 per session & most of it is just counting reps & rotating a schedule.



Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: 619Rules on December 13, 2005, 04:10:28 PM
I agree with you Stunt.

PT is a scam & trainers should not be making as much as some are.

I do believe some people need a full time work out partner to crack a whip on them because they have no drive.

Out here in so cal....I know plenty of trainers that make $75-$100 per session & most of it is just counting reps & rotating a schedule.

hahahaha........Reminds me of Rick Stephenson's GF/wife at San Diego Gold's.

Her name is Agnetha-a real hot chick from Sweden. Anyway Rick, who was the main manager of Gold's back then, steered some clients to her for personal training....lol.....

Agnetha did not know a bicep from a latsisimus dorsi....and she would basically just try to encourage people as she trained them....the funniest thing was when she would count reps with her Swedish accent....NOW...that's a vvvonnne....and a vvvTvvvwwwoo.....and a vvvvthrrreeee.....funny as shit. Complete idiot when it came to weight training though-but good eye candy ;D


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: knny187 on December 13, 2005, 04:20:51 PM
hahahaha........Reminds me of Rick Stephenson's GF/wife at San Diego Gold's.

Her name is Agnetha-a real hot chick from Sweden. Anyway Rick, who was the main manager of Gold's back then, steered some clients to her for personal training....lol.....

Agnetha did not know a bicep from a latsisimus dorsi....and she would basically just try to encourage people as she trained them....the funniest thing was when she would count reps with her Swedish accent....NOW...that's a vvvonnne....and a vvvTvvvwwwoo.....and a vvvvthrrreeee.....funny as shit. Complete idiot when it came to weight training though-but good eye candy ;D


I wonder if Sandra Blackie (sp) is still training there.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: Bix on December 13, 2005, 04:54:59 PM

Rory Leidelmeyer



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Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 13, 2005, 06:10:32 PM
Right , Bix. Here's another taken that same day.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 13, 2005, 06:15:55 PM
Here's a tuff one that a couple of you may be able to name.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 13, 2005, 06:20:38 PM
A much younger version of a good friend. Easy to guess this one.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: onlyme on December 13, 2005, 07:17:14 PM
Absolutely Stunt.  I loved it back then to compared nowadays.  Nearly everything I know or learned I learned by simply asking Louie, Franco, Dennis, Waller, Tony Pearson and many others.  They would let me work in and tell me how to do it while I was with them.  I'll always remember Louie telling me to do barbell curls with your elbows alway in and you hands wider than your elbows.  I leanred more doing the exercises with the people who really knew how to train than anyone PT can learn from a book.  I am still surprised that people all the time ask me questions on how to do a certain exercise or how to do this or how to do that.  And I look the way I do.  But at least my mind is the same.

I hate it when I hear how much a PT will make and then watch what they do.  I ran a club back in the late 70's and all we had was an index card with the name and all the contact info on it.  No computers, no nothing.  Like I've said on here before, I'll never forget the board behind the front counter at World's Gym and seeing Arnold's (among others) in big writing telling them they are late with their dues.  It was $150 a year back then with no money dues.  Very simple.  Joe didn't let anyone slide.  Those were the days.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 14, 2005, 09:32:16 PM
Before the Arnold fiasco in Australia


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 14, 2005, 09:36:10 PM
Some of the military guys with great potential can diet for five weeks and win state contests or place well fairly easily. Here are a couple of guys who were just starting with great potential.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 14, 2005, 09:43:01 PM
Air Force, this guy saw a notice in the base gym, entered the contest the next week, won it, and was never heard from again.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: 619Rules on December 14, 2005, 10:46:31 PM
Some of the military guys with great potential can diet for five weeks and win state contests or place well fairly easily. Here are a couple of guys who were just starting with great potential.

Dont tell me this guy is just starting-he looks fantastic......


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Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 15, 2005, 02:31:06 AM
Rules, that is a good friend of mine doing the side tricep shot by the name of Chad. He movied many years ago but I usually contact him during the Christmas holidays so I will ask him how long he was training before that picture was taken.

He was/is one hell of a down to earth guy and won every contest he ever entered and never could believe that he actually won it . We sent him to compete in a state contest in Las Vegas a while back and he won that one too plus the best poser trophy. He couldn't believe that either.

One of his friends in the AF wrote a great article on him and his low keyed personality which I sent to some of the magazines but none ever published it. Great article of an exceptionally great person and if I can find it, I'll post it on here.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 15, 2005, 02:41:24 AM
Here's another shot of one of the Marines we met while giving a seminar on base. He was a little guy on the base football team who was a hard hitter and wanted to gain some size so he could put some hurting on the opposing teams, so we set him up on a program and checked him out a couple of months later. It was like night and day so I encouraged him to diet down a bit and enter a local contest scheduled six weeks later.

He did and won and eventually moved to LA to train at Gold's and was known as the Mayor of Gold's Gym because of his southern ways and willingness to help anyone in the gym train harder.

This all happened a long time ago when Peter and the partners were just getting organized on 2nd in Santa Monica.

Not a real great photograph, but he was one of the hard trainers at GOld's Santa Monica who should also get some recognition.



Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 15, 2005, 03:03:53 AM
Recognize either one?

The girl is Alison who lived on the North Shore in Hawaii. She was a nurse out there and helped a lot of people who had lots of problems. An exceptionally great lady who actively competed for about 5 years. A great pioneer in ladies' bodybuilding.
 
I forget the year this picture was taken but the location is the old pool area at Caesars Las Vegas during the NPC Nationals. Jeff and Cory won the couples competition that year and Belnap won the overall men's.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 15, 2005, 03:14:18 AM
Always yelling Marco Polo, they were asked to leave the pool.

This was taken at Caesars pool during a well deserved rest after taking Timmy Belnap shopping for fud. I think that Puffed Rice cakes were brand new on the market that year and we had to find the ones with the lowest carbs.

I guess none of you recall the days in Santa Monica when the House of Pancakes was mobbed with competitors  before the nationals prejudging. You'd have to fight to find a table and get to the contest on time.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: crownshep on December 15, 2005, 07:31:23 AM
The guy with Alison is Mike Torchia.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 15, 2005, 11:54:08 AM
Correct, Crown.What is Mike doing today and where the hell is he?


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: Bix on December 15, 2005, 12:43:07 PM
Correct, Crown.What is Mike doing today and where the hell is he?

I heard he was a PT and was screwing as many married women as he could .


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: Bix on December 15, 2005, 12:51:41 PM
http://www.michaeltorchia.com/


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 15, 2005, 02:50:19 PM
Thanx, Bix.

Adding a photo before I sign off.

Name him. And who did he train with for a short time at Gold's Santa Monica?



Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: 619Rules on December 15, 2005, 04:40:46 PM
I heard he was a PT and was screwing as many married women as he could .
Hahaha

That was funny.....I just sent Mike an email with this thread linked to it and asked him to post here and give us all an update on what he has really been doing in the PT area.......


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: onlyme on December 15, 2005, 07:31:08 PM
Looks like Curtis Leffler above.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 15, 2005, 07:36:09 PM
Yep, it sure is Curtis.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 18, 2005, 01:59:37 PM
What ever happened to Frank? How is he doing?


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 18, 2005, 02:03:47 PM
And how about Craig Core?

A few years back there was a lot of talk about his bright future in the world of bodybuilding, but then some problems arose in England and he disappeared from the scene for a year or so.

Did he ever return and, if so, how is he doing now?


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 18, 2005, 02:08:13 PM
How about a slight break here with an interesting picture .

Some guys get bit by spiders, while others ...................



Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: 619Rules on December 18, 2005, 10:16:41 PM
How about a slight break here with an interesting picture .

Some guys get bit by spiders, while others ...................

We used to get the dolphinssurfing the waves off Mission each in San Diego on a regular basis.......is that a shark or a dolphin?


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: onlyme on December 19, 2005, 12:14:53 AM
Thats a dolphin.  We had them in the waves in Manhattan too.  There are some really nice posters they sell with a surfer on a wave with 4 or 5 dolphins right alongside him.


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: knny187 on December 19, 2005, 08:54:23 AM
We used to get the dolphinssurfing the waves off Mission each in San Diego on a regular basis.......is that a shark or a dolphin?

I showed that picture to a surfer friend along time ago & he said immediately..."thats a dolphin".  He said the shape of the dorsal fin gives it away.

I told him.....if I was in the water....I'd be screaming...."SHARK"

 ;D


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 19, 2005, 11:47:14 AM
OK, thanks on the fish ID.

Back in the early 60's, they held bodybuilding contests in an outdoor theater a bit north of the basketball courts at Venice Beach. These events were held on early Saturday afternoons without a prejudging session and they were run pretty damn well.

There would always be about 8 to 10 pretty impressive contestants along with a couple of very impressive stand-outs.

The contest was always held on a stage full of props from the play that was appearing there that week. These were unsanctioned events.

I do recall one contestant in particular who was ultra ripped and had the opportunity to discuss his training routine and diet immediately after he won the contest.

He told me that he dieted all year long and ate only tuna fish and uncooked vegetables along with a small portion of rice each week.

But his main "secret" was how he prepared his tuna at each and every meal.

ANd it was time to eat so he proceeded to "prepare a meal" right there in front of me.

He opened a can of tuna (water based was not available then) and pulled out a lady's nylon sock. Then he emptied the can of tuna into the stocking and proceeded to twist the sock to remove every last drop of oil and moisture from the tuna fish.

When he removed the tuna from the sock, it resembled fresh, dried out sawdust. Then he dumped it on some rice he had in a paper cup and sat back to enjoy his meal.

He claimed that he ate that way every day and that and his training kept him ripped to the max. It worked well cause he did win a good number of LA events in those early days.

I wish I could recall him name. ANy help?

Here's an unrelated photo ......... Merry Christmas to one and all ........................ ..



Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: 619Rules on December 19, 2005, 05:25:54 PM
Eric is Ben's son........has a 5+ million dollar house in Camarillo CA (it was 5 mill 5 years ago-more like 15 mill today).........

Betty Weider has a bunch of real estate holdings with Arnold in the LA area.....that is a weird combo if .... ;D


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: onlyme on December 19, 2005, 05:53:36 PM
Quote
Betty Weider has a bunch of real estate holdings with Arnold in the LA area.....that is a weird combo if ....


Weider probably does this for the same reason my Unlce puts almost everything in his wifes name.  Just in case a lawsuit or bankruptcy happens the good stuff doesn't get touched. 


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: 619Rules on December 19, 2005, 10:09:41 PM


Weider probably does this for the same reason my Unlce puts almost everything in his wifes name.  Just in case a lawsuit or bankruptcy happens the good stuff doesn't get touched. 

Wow....I never thought of that as a reason....Smart move on Weider's part..........I thought that was odd as hell when I saw how much real estate Arnie and Betty had together............but what you said explains it all.............. ;D


Title: Re: Who's Shoes?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 20, 2005, 12:32:35 AM
Never seen it but I understand that the Weiders have a beautiful home in Lake Tahoe too. Maybe that is sposed to be secret so forget I told ya that.