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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/08/us-health-plant-diet-idUSBRE91712520130208 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/08/us-health-plant-diet-idUSBRE91712520130208)
Are plant-based diets environmentally friendly
After analyzing the eating habits of about 2,000 French adults, and the greenhouse gas emissions generated by producing the plants, fish, meat, fowl and other ingredients, researchers concluded that widely embraced goals for the health of people and for the health of the planet are not necessarily perfectly compatible.
Growing fruit and vegetables doesn't produce as much greenhouse gas as raising cattle or livestock, the study confirms, but people who eat a primarily plant-based diet make up for that by eating more of those foods.
"When you eat healthy, you have to eat a lot of food that has a low content of energy. You have to eat a lot of fruits and vegetables," said Nicole Darmon, the study's senior author from the National Research Institute of Agronomy in Marseille, France.
Greenhouse gases - which include carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide - are produced by machines that burn fossil fuels. That gas is then released into the atmosphere, where it contributes to climate change.
Food production - including the use of farming equipment and transportation - is estimated to be responsible for 15 percent to 30 percent of greenhouse gas emissions in developed countries, the authors write in The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition.
Scientists have long advised people to switch to a plant-based diet to benefit the environment and their own health.
To more closely examine that premise, Darmon and her colleagues used food diaries from 1,918 French adults to compare the nutritional quality of people's real-world diets and how much greenhouse gas they produced.
From the diaries that were kept for seven days between 2006 and 2007, the researchers identified the 400 most commonly consumed foods. They then used a database to find out how much greenhouse gas was emitted to produce each one - measured as the grams of carbon dioxide equivalent per 100 grams of food.
All aspects of a food's lifecycle were taken into account, including how it was cooked, Darmon said. "The only step that wasn't taken into account was the transport from the supermarket to the home," she added.
According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, the average car emits about 423 grams of carbon dioxide every mile.
Overall, about 1,600 grams of carbon dioxide were emitted for every 100 grams of meat produced. That's more than 14 times the amount of greenhouse gas emitted during the production of fruit, vegetables and starches. It's also about 2.5 times as much greenhouse gas as that generated by fish, pork, poultry and eggs.
That gap narrowed, however, when the researchers looked at how many grams of carbon dioxide were emitted per 100 kilocalories (kcal) - a measure of energy in food.
The most greenhouse gas - 857 grams - was still emitted to produce 100 kcal of meat, but it was only about three times the emissions from a comparable amount of energy from fruit and vegetables.
Greens also ended up emitting more gas for the calories than starches, sweets, salty snacks, dairy and fats. It was also about as much gas as pork, poultry and eggs.
And when Darmon and her colleagues looked at what people actually ate to get a certain amount of energy from food every day, they found that the "highest-quality" diets in health terms - those high in fruit, vegetables and fish - were linked to about as much, if not more, greenhouse gas emissions as low-quality diets that were high in sweets and salts.
Overall, the documented diets were responsible for around 5,000 grams of greenhouse gas emissions per day per person.
Darmon said that's because people who eat a plant-based diet need to eat more produce to get the amount of energy they'd have in a piece of meat.
"I think to any reader it's surprising. One of the standard things we hear is that meat - particularly red meat - has the greatest greenhouse gas emissions," said Roni Neff, who studies how food contributes to climate change but was not involved with the new study.
But Neff, the director of research and policy at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health's Center for a Livable Future, cautioned against taking the findings too literally. "It's a lot more complex than that," she added.
For example, she pointed out that according to the study's calculations, people would need to eat about nine pounds of fruit and vegetables to make up for a smaller serving of meat, and that may be unrealistic.
But, Neff said, "I think they're raising a lot of important questions that need further investigation."
SOURCE: bit.ly/W1KW2y The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, online January 30, 2013.
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As moderator on a nutrition forum, I'm not supposed to say things like, "I believe that vegetarians are fukking idiots."
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As moderator on a nutrition forum, I'm not supposed to say things like, "I believe that vegetarians are fukking idiots."
i've stated many times that a traditional vegetarian diet rich in eggs, dairy and fish can be healthy... but the vegan extremists are just killing themselves
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i've stated many times that a traditional vegetarian diet rich in eggs, dairy and fish can be healthy... but the vegan extremists are just killing themselves
Under ideal circumstances, I would accept that.
However, let's refer to your diet outlined above as the ideal. Most people I know fail to eat at least one of the food sources on that list.
Many folks don't eat eggs due to allergies or dislike. Many people won't drink milk because of lactose issues. And, I know a lot of people who simply don't like fish.
Now, under the conditions of a conventional diet, omitting one or more of those sources is not so bad because healthy dietary variety compensates to a degree. But, I cannot say the same for a vegetarian diet, which is already limited. That aspect means that there is less room to compensate for neglecting other important foods.
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Under ideal circumstances, I would accept that.
However, let's refer to your diet outlined above as the ideal. Most people I know fail to eat at least one of the food sources on that list.
Many folks don't eat eggs due to allergies or dislike. Many people won't drink milk because of lactose issues. And, I know a lot of people who simply don't like fish.
Now, under the conditions of a conventional diet, omitting one or more of those sources is not so bad because healthy dietary variety compensates to a degree. But, I cannot say the same for a vegetarian diet, which is already limited. That aspect means that there is less room to compensate for neglecting other important foods.
absolutely...
either way... grass fed steak is king
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Under ideal circumstances, I would accept that.
However, let's refer to your diet outlined above as the ideal. Most people I know fail to eat at least one of the food sources on that list.
Many folks don't eat eggs due to allergies or dislike. Many people won't drink milk because of lactose issues. And, I know a lot of people who simply don't like fish.
Now, under the conditions of a conventional diet, omitting one or more of those sources is not so bad because healthy dietary variety compensates to a degree. But, I cannot say the same for a vegetarian diet, which is already limited. That aspect means that there is less room to compensate for neglecting other important foods.
As far as protein goes, as long as you get enough complete protein in the right amounts, mass-building shouldn't be an issue.
I've done it on a vegetarian diet, using just milk and eggs as animal sources. Vegans can do it, too. But, their diet has to be on point.
They MUST match the right complementary veggies and grains to get complete proteins. Supplements today make being a vegan bodybuilder much easier. You can even get creatine and glutamine from vegetarian sources (NOW sports makes such products, along with a vegetarian glucosamine supplement for the joints).
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As far as protein goes, as long as you get enough complete protein in the right amounts, mass-building shouldn't be an issue.
I've done it on a vegetarian diet, using just milk and eggs as animal sources. Vegans can do it, too. But, their diet has to be on point.
They MUST match the right complementary veggies and grains to get complete proteins. Supplements today make being a vegan bodybuilder much easier. You can even get creatine and glutamine from vegetarian sources (NOW sports makes such products, along with a vegetarian glucosamine supplement for the joints).
Veganism is an eating disorder.
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i've stated many times that a traditional vegetarian diet rich in eggs, dairy and fish can be healthy... but the vegan extremists are just killing themselves
LOL, You just contrdicted yourself. Again.
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LOL, You just contrdicted yourself. Again.
How?
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Veganism is an eating disorder.
Hardly!! Just find the right proteins to eat in the right combinations and all is well.
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LOL, You just contrdicted yourself. Again.
There is a difference between Vegan and Vegetarian, however I don't think that Fish are on Vegetarian diets either...
Dairy and Eggs are, but not fish.
Please correct me if I'm wrong though... I don't really follow the diets so I could be mistaken.
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Hardly!! Just find the right proteins to eat in the right combinations and all is well.
impossible to get all essential amino acids... even then... what's the point? meat is GOOD
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There is a difference between Vegan and Vegetarian, however I don't think that Fish are on Vegetarian diets either...
Dairy and Eggs are, but not fish.
Please correct me if I'm wrong though... I don't really follow the diets so I could be mistaken.
traditionally it was included... it's not a cuddly animal... it's a fish...
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impossible to get all essential amino acids... even then... what's the point? meat is GOOD
No, it's not impossible to get all the essential aminos. One, you can get them all from soy.
Two, as stated earlier, you simply combine certain veggies with other veggies or grains. With each one having essential aminos that the other lacks, you get complete proteins (red beans/chickpeas and rice, for example).
Three, even with eating meat, consuming more veggie proteins saves you a bundle, because you stretch your chicken breasts and beef further. I've saved on my grocery bill by eating, for example, one chicken breast, some garbanzo beans and rice, instead of downing two chicken breasts.
Old-school vegetarian/vegan nutritionists say you have to combine complementary proteins at the same meal. New-school nutritionists disagree, clamining that it's fine as long as you eat complementary proteins, throughout the day.
It certainly doesn't hurt your bodybuilding efforts to go vegan, or at least vegetarian. Forme Mr. South Africa, Roy Hiligen, attested to that. He often rebuffed his critics, who said you had to eat meat to be big and strong, citing that he was just as strong as, if not stronger than, his contemporaries on a vegetarian diet.
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I'll try the vegetarian thing once or twice a year after I beat a bad cold or flu.
After a day, I miss the meat *outed*
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I'll try the vegetarian thing once or twice a year after I beat a bad cold or flu.
After a day, I miss the meat *outed*
;D
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Vegan and strong:
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I prefer eating healthy diet, I don't think that vegetarian are going right. They are missing many important nutrition. Being healthy is not a difficult place to reach, but in order to feel better, look better,
and think clearer, you need a strong nutritional base. Eat a variety of healthy foods, and limit calories and saturated fat.
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I prefer eating healthy diet, I don't think that vegetarian are going right. They are missing many important nutrition. Being healthy is not a difficult place to reach, but in order to feel better, look better,
and think clearer, you need a strong nutritional base. Eat a variety of healthy foods, and limit calories and saturated fat.
What exactly are they missing?
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I prefer eating healthy diet, I don't think that vegetarian are going right. They are missing many important nutrition.
Really?
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As moderator on a nutrition forum, I'm not supposed to say things like, "I believe that vegetarians are fukking idiots."
As a member of this section I too am not suppose to say things like "I believe that vegetarians are retards and should be fed meat"
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Vegan and strong fat:
Fat wolverine
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSf_GCjfsg-qU6DDJB8ZFaG7vejKxc6GBonT5p7eYpuKNJuHv_DTw)
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I prefer eating healthy diet, I don't think that vegetarian are going right. They are missing many important nutrition. Being healthy is not a difficult place to reach, but in order to feel better, look better,
and think clearer, you need a strong nutritional base. Eat a variety of healthy foods, and limit calories and saturated fat.
I've heard it from a few doctors and read before numerous times that... we cannot get all our protein from vegeterian sources for proper genetic proliferation... bottom line is I tried to be vegeterian in high school for what was it almost two years (long story why), and it was the worst experience ever. Wasted two precious years of my life. Started back up with fish, then chicken, then beef, then devouring whole lambs. Never looked back.
As a former vegeterian, felt miserably tired, weak, etc... its bs unless you want to be a skeleton. The few examples of bodybuilders who are vegeterian and have size... they probably have size because of their genetics more so than the food they are eating or not eating.
I always laugh at the arguments of vegeterians such as 'take protein powders' and 'take supplements' Oh I see...! Hit your head through a brick wall instead of admit you're doing it wrong.
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As moderator on a nutrition forum, I'm not supposed to say things like, "I believe that vegetarians are fukking idiots."
As a member of this section I too am not suppose to say things like "I believe that vegetarians are retards and should be fed meat"
Yes, so it's a good thing neither of us is saying either of those things.
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What exactly are they missing?
Vitamin B 12, calcium, vitamin D, iron?
http://www.fitday.com/fitness-articles/nutrition/healthy-eating/common-vegan-diet-deficiencies-prevention-tips.html
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Yes, so it's a good thing neither of us is saying either of those things.
Exactly ;D
Speaking of which I'm enjoying grilled chicken right now :D
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Exactly ;D
Speaking of which I'm enjoying grilled chicken right now :D
Nice!
I've got a big rack of ribs in the oven. Should have had them yesterday on the grill. It was 86 and sunny, but I had to go to a birthday party in the evening. Today turned cold, wet, and shitty. Temperature dropped 35 degrees and it's raining. I'm not pissing around with the grill in that.
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Weekend has sucked weather temps dropped her and it was wet and rainy the other day although its sunny today at least but cold... the whole week was mid 10s and even hit 20!... and the weekend ... drops to low single digits bah.. The good thing is the grass is turning full on deep green which is BEAUTIFUL! Some trees starting to grow tiny things on them too, can't wait till full blown summer!
Going to an arab buffet later in the evening... mmmm meat :D
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I've heard it from a few doctors and read before numerous times that... we cannot get all our protein from vegeterian sources for proper genetic proliferation... bottom line is I tried to be vegeterian in high school for what was it almost two years (long story why), and it was the worst experience ever. Wasted two precious years of my life. Started back up with fish, then chicken, then beef, then devouring whole lambs. Never looked back.
As a former vegeterian, felt miserably tired, weak, etc... its bs unless you want to be a skeleton. The few examples of bodybuilders who are vegeterian and have size... they probably have size because of their genetics more so than the food they are eating or not eating.
I always laugh at the arguments of vegeterians such as 'take protein powders' and 'take supplements' Oh I see...! Hit your head through a brick wall instead of admit you're doing it wrong.
Speak for yourself. YOU may have done it wrong. I did the vegetarian thing for nearly two years in high school as well. And, I did just fine.
Your diet SUCKED, pure and simple. And it had NOTHING to do with the absence of meat. Of course, you can get all of your protein needs from vegetable sources. I've done it, as have other people. It's about getting complete proteins. As I said earlier, either you consume the foods that are complete protein sources or you combine certain vegetables and grains with other complementary ones.
As long as the body gets the protein it needs in the right quality and quantity, it will grow REGARDLESS of the source(s) of that protein.
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LOL @ you can get all your protein from vegetables. Maybe crap proteins.
I am eating chicken on skewers right now and don't care what you have to say :)
It's funny if someone were to google l-leucine vegan and how these vegeterians buy tubs of powders left and right to supplement what they don't get from meat.
Maybe grass works for cows, but we are not genetically cows. We need cow meat instead.
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Speak for yourself. YOU may have done it wrong. I did the vegetarian thing for nearly two years in high school as well. And, I did just fine.
Your diet SUCKED, pure and simple. And it had NOTHING to do with the absence of meat. Of course, you can get all of your protein needs from vegetable sources. I've done it, as have other people. It's about getting complete proteins. As I said earlier, either you consume the foods that are complete protein sources or you combine certain vegetables and grains with other complementary ones.
As long as the body gets the protein it needs in the right quality and quantity, it will grow REGARDLESS of the source(s) of that protein.
Exactly!
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^LOL
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LOL @ you can get all your protein from vegetables. Maybe crap proteins.
I am eating chicken on skewers right now and don't care what you have to say :)
It's funny if someone were to google l-leucine vegan and how these vegeterians buy tubs of powders left and right to supplement what they don't get from meat.
Maybe grass works for cows, but we are not genetically cows. We need cow meat instead.
Who was it on here a few years ago who tried drawing comparisons between the gorilla's diet of leaves & bugs and its strength? Was it SMM? I remember a strong suggestion that humans could derive similar strength on a similar diet. There were so many faults in this (attempted) "logic," that it was too embarrassing and pathetic to even be funny.
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Hey Montague when did you last have some nice beef ;D
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I thought this board was about sharing and exchanging nutrition knowledge and information. Why are mods allowing a_ahmed to spam and ruin a good thread? ???
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Since when is meat..... spam ;D Loco the concerned citizen even though he attacks me and my religion in other sections ;D I forgot meat humour is bad. I don't remember the last time you contributed to anything related to bodybuilding, nutrition, training or steroids sections on here.
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Since when is meat..... spam ;D Loco the concerned citizen even though he attacks me and my religion in other sections ;D I forgot meat humour is bad. I don't remember the last time you contributed to anything related to bodybuilding, nutrition, training or steroids sections on here.
I have never attacked you or your religion, just disagreed. You Muslims call that attacks. And I have contributed plenty to this board, more than you have.
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Thank you, mods! ;D
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The problem with them is that they want everyone to be vegetarians.
I don't have a problem with vegetarians, but I don't want to be one.
But they feel the need to impose their will and lifestyle on me.
That's the problem.
We've seen this stuff before from religious groups, atheists, gays, and now these types.
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There is a difference between Vegan and Vegetarian, however I don't think that Fish are on Vegetarian diets either...
Dairy and Eggs are, but not fish.
Please correct me if I'm wrong though... I don't really follow the diets so I could be mistaken.
This is how it goes:
Lacto-vegetarian - Eats fruits, vegetables, seeds, nuts, grains and dairy, but no eggs, and no meat of any kind.
Ovo-vegetarian - Eats fruits, vegetables, seeds, nuts, grains and eggs, but no dairy, and no meat of any kind.
Lacto-Ovo vegetarian - Eats fruits, vegetables, seeds, nuts, grains, dairy and eggs, but no meat of any kind.
Vegan vegetarian - The strictest form of vegetarianism. They eat fruit, vegetables, seeds, nuts and grains, but no dairy, no eggs, and no meat of any kind. They also tend to be against eating highly processed food. For some, that can mean many cereals, pastas, and breads would be no-no's.
If one eats red meat, fowl, or fish of any kind, then they are not a vegetarian.
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LOL @ you can get all your protein from vegetables. Maybe crap proteins.
I am eating chicken on skewers right now and don't care what you have to say :)
It's funny if someone were to google l-leucine vegan and how these vegeterians buy tubs of powders left and right to supplement what they don't get from meat.
Maybe grass works for cows, but we are not genetically cows. We need cow meat instead.
Try that again! The food source with the highest concentration of leucine is....SOYBEANS, nealry 3 grams of leucine per 100 g servins. Beef is in second place with 1.8 grams.
http://bodypreserver.com/2013/03/28/leucine-why-its-absolutely-important-for-fitness-after-30/
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Try that again! The food source with the highest concentration of leucine is....SOYBEANS, nealry 3 grams of leucine per 100 g servins. Beef is in second place with 1.8 grams.
http://bodypreserver.com/2013/03/28/leucine-why-its-absolutely-important-for-fitness-after-30/
You may want to re-think soybeans :-X for a variety of reasons, but the whole Monsanto Frankenfood thing tops the list.
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Wow!
It's amazing how much and how little so many of you know ~
Anybody here a registered dietitian?
Lemme know when you need to be set straight.
Start off with this: What foods contain all of the essential amino acids?
Can non-essential amino acids be synthesized any other way in the body other than by caloric intake?
Hmmmmmm....
How about this?
I know a shitload of bodybuilders that are scared to death of Soy milk. So many "fitness" folks that are completely uninformed, uneducated, whatever you want to call it. But here is another question: How many different ways can the body produce testosterone and estrogen, and from where?
Do you think that a doctor can tell the difference between a Lacto-Ovo vegan and a hardcore meat-eating bodybuilder?
Can a physique competition judge?
Have fun. I'm being facetious (just a bit) so don't get all mad and shit. K?
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Wow!
It's amazing how much and how little so many of you know ~
Anybody here a registered dietitian?
Lemme know when you need to be set straight.
Start off with this: What foods contain all of the essential amino acids?
Can non-essential amino acids be synthesized any other way in the body other than by caloric intake?
Hmmmmmm....
How about this?
I know a shitload of bodybuilders that are scared to death of Soy milk. So many "fitness" folks that are completely uninformed, uneducated, whatever you want to call it. But here is another question: How many different ways can the body produce testosterone and estrogen, and from where?
Do you think that a doctor can tell the difference between a Lacto-Ovo vegan and a hardcore meat-eating bodybuilder?
Can a physique competition judge?
Have fun. I'm being facetious (just a bit) so don't get all mad and shit. K?
Why would bodybuilders be scared of soy? Bill Pearl, 4-time Mr. Universe, consumed plenty of it. NOBODY is going to claim he was feminized because of it. The late Roy Hiligen, Mr. South Africa, was a big vegetarian. And he was just as strong as/stronger than many of his meat-eating contemporaries.
You're absolutely right. You can't tell between a lacto-ovo vegetarian and a meat-eater. You need all the essential aminos in the right portions to grow. It doesn't matter if they come from meat, dairy, veggies, or grains.
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I'm a vegan who cheats and cheats and cheats ;D Absolutely no red meat at all. I'm strict on that part.
I try to limit my consumption of meat, eggs, and fish as well... especially after the BP Gulf of Mexico incident and now Fukushima. Corexit, mercury, and radiation are not condiments in my book.
My personal theory is the gains experienced by body builders who eat steak is that it's not the protein from steak that's doing it, but rather all those darned hormones & steroids fed to the cows by Big Agro.
Personally, I can't stand the way my body feels after consuming meat. Sluggish beyond belief.
I prefer the energy I get from fresh fruits & vegetables... living foods... organically grown in healthy soil.
I think the reason many vegetarians can be malnourished is because they don't eat properly.
For years it was extremely difficult to even be a vegetarian, ...especially if you live in the Chicago area. Not sure how or even if it has changed much since I was last there, but trying to find something on a menu that wasn't meat, or smothered in a ton of cheese... OY! Even a salad would contain meat... or a bunch of bacon bits. ::)
There are plenty of fruits, vegetables, grains, nuts etc., that will provide a variety of all the nutrients & minerals we need, provided they are grown in healthy, nutrient rich soils.
So take heart McWay, it is possible to remain vegetarian and STILL get all your protein. If you're unable to... you could follow chad stallion's lead and resort to this (http://videos.huffingtonpost.com/semen-natures-superfood-517809360). After all, ...you never hear chad stallion complaining about the cost of protein powders do you? ;D
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I'm a vegan who cheats and cheats and cheats ;D Absolutely no red meat at all. I'm strict on that part.
I try to limit my consumption of meat, eggs, and fish as well... especially after the BP Gulf of Mexico incident and now Fukushima. Corexit, mercury, and radiation are not condiments in my book.
My personal theory is the gains experienced by body builders who eat steak is that it's not the protein from steak that's doing it, but rather all those darned hormones & steroids fed to the cows by Big Agro.
Personally, I can't stand the way my body feels after consuming meat. Sluggish beyond belief.
I prefer the energy I get from fresh fruits & vegetables... living foods... organically grown in healthy soil.
I think the reason many vegetarians can be malnourished is because they don't eat properly.
For years it was extremely difficult to even be a vegetarian, ...especially if you live in the Chicago area. Not sure how or even if it has changed much since I was last there, but trying to find something on a menu that wasn't meat, or smothered in a ton of cheese... OY! Even a salad would contain meat... or a bunch of bacon bits. ::)
There are plenty of fruits, vegetables, grains, nuts etc., that will provide a variety of all the nutrients & minerals we need, provided they are grown in healthy, nutrient rich soils.
So take heart McWay, it is possible to remain vegetarian and STILL get all your protein. If you're unable to... you could follow chad stallion's lead and resort to this (http://videos.huffingtonpost.com/semen-natures-superfood-517809360). After all, ...you never hear chad stallion complaining about the cost of protein powders do you? ;D
Oh, I know that, because I've done it. And, as many will tell you, I'm the LAST ONE who worries about where to get cheap protein. I'm "Mr. Clearance Sale", remember?
;D