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Shawn Ray and Mike Ashley discuss the money, title, fallout and ramifications of the 1990 Arnold Classic where Shawn Ray was disqualified from the victory for failing a drug test, while Ashley, who was competing clean, was awarded the title. Particularly interesting is the discussion of how Ray learned of the failed drug test seven days after celebrating the victory on stage, having dinner with Arnold and Maria, and soaking in the title. This is a fantastic interview featuring a couple of class acts from the history of the Arnold Classic.
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ashley was the best natural the sport has ever seen.
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ashley was the best natural the sport has ever seen.
He was as natural as a finger up your puddin' hole.
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ashley was the best natural the sport has ever seen.
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Not natural at all, he had fun making fun of everyone he could convince. He only said he was natty as he was scared of cops!!!!
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It's amazing Shawn failed a test, but that douche cutler tried to get a lawyer at the 2001 O.
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ashley was the best natural the sport has ever seen.
funny how he forgot to mention that he was natural when he was a 21 year old powerlifter.
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well he never had the "look" of the other drug abusers..something about him always looked different than the rest...a little bit less muscled so to speak...
im not going to say he wasnt natural, but maybe he was... the planet has loads of freaks... not a single indication other than his size that he was using...
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He was as natural as a finger up your puddin' hole.
;D
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well he never had the "look" of the other drug abusers..something about him always looked different than the rest
Odd ??? His skeletal structure is odd like Phil Heath's. That's about it. 100% drugged.
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg28/Wizzchizz/mike-ashley.jpg)
The arms, leg cuts and delts are impossible even for a black on a bucket of chicken a day.
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funny how he forgot to mention that he was natural when he was a 21 year old powerlifter.
Must've skipped his mind
Luiz de Freitas also claimed natural after he failed his test at the World Champs, then came back as a natural champion. Oddly, he was even better as a nattie...
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well he never had the "look" of the other drug abusers..something about him always looked different than the rest...a little bit less muscled so to speak...
im not going to say he wasnt natural, but maybe he was... the planet has loads of freaks... not a single indication other than his size that he was using...
Amazing natural specimen.
Especially if you consider he competed with peers that were drugged to the gills, yet he was just as good or better than many, all the while natural
Must've been his extra hard work, attention to detail, God given genes and daily prayers
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It would have helped if they got the results of the drug test, BEFORE handing out the trophy and the check.
This happened at one other show that I remember: The 1996 AAU Mr. America. Charles Durr was awareded the title and trophy on stage. But, when the drug test results hit, Durr was disqualified and tall-class winner, Doug Reiser, ended up being the overall Mr. America winner.
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Must've skipped his mind
Luiz de Freitas also claimed natural after he failed his test at the World Champs, then came back as a natural champion. Oddly, he was even better as a nattie...
then weider gave him the huge push as the natural champ, and him and his mom got busted with a whole apartment full of juice.
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HE WAS BEATING SHAWN RAY OR GOING TOE TO TOE WITH HIM LATE 80'S TO EARLY 90'S YET HE DID THIS NATURAL TO SHAWN USING DRUG'S AS A TEEN 8),,,,
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LOL ! :D
This clown is saying that he was natural because he had a very religious upbringing !
RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE THE WORST HIPOCRITES !!!
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Jean Claude V-something claimed natty as well.
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LOL ! :D
This clown is saying that he was natural because he had a very religious upbringing !
RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE THE WORST HIPOCRITES !!!
Apparently, you haven't been around enough liberals. ;D
Don't you think some of his fellow pros, including Ray himself, would have outed Ashley if he had the goods on him, taking anabolics?
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http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/2013-arnold-classic/5262-winner-mike-ashley-discusses-the-controversial-1990-arnold-classic-with-shawn-ray.html
Shawn Ray and Mike Ashley discuss the money, title, fallout and ramifications of the 1990 Arnold Classic where Shawn Ray was disqualified from the victory for failing a drug test, while Ashley, who was competing clean, was awarded the title. Particularly interesting is the discussion of how Ray learned of the failed drug test seven days after celebrating the victory on stage, having dinner with Arnold and Maria, and soaking in the title. This is a fantastic interview featuring a couple of class acts from the history of the Arnold Classic.
Just fixing your link!! You left off the "h" on the address.
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Apparently, you haven't been around enough liberals. ;D
Don't you think some of his fellow pros, including Ray himself, would have outed Ashley if he had the goods on him, taking anabolics?
Shawn Ray was young, he hadn't developed that "talent" yet.
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then weider gave him the huge push as the natural champ, and him and his mom got busted with a whole apartment full of juice.
They were probably just keeping it for a friend
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HE WAS BEATING SHAWN RAY OR GOING TOE TO TOE WITH HIM LATE 80'S TO EARLY 90'S YET HE DID THIS NATURAL TO SHAWN USING DRUG'S AS A TEEN 8),,,,
Shawn hadn't found Jesus
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will nasser attend the reunion??..
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Shawn Ray was young, he hadn't developed that "talent" yet.
What "talent"? If Ashley claiming to be drug-free and a fellow pro knows he's not and can prove it, what's stopping him from doing such?
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What "talent"? If Ashley claiming to be drug-free and a fellow pro knows he's not and can prove it, what's stopping him from doing such?
Because you do not want to bring undue attention, and focus more spotlight on steroids
Any guy that does that is effectively damaging himself too
Do you believe Mike Ashley was a natural bber?
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well smilax.gamma oranzol,weider super gain 3600,dibenocozide,did give steroid like gains....
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He had full round delts, vascularity, the sucked in dry abs. You don't get that without diuretics, fullness, vascularity and super dry
Also his base was built as a teen, at a young age he was already big, just unpolished.
IMO, lots of anabolics and growth, diuretics,
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He had full round delts, vascularity, the sucked in dry abs. You don't get that without diuretics, fullness, vascularity and super dry
Also his base was built as a teen, at a young age he was already big, just unpolished.
IMO, lots of anabolics and growth, diuretics,
8),,,well said,,,
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He had full round delts, vascularity, the sucked in dry abs. You don't get that without diuretics, fullness, vascularity and super dry
Also his base was built as a teen, at a young age he was already big, just unpolished.
IMO, lots of anabolics and growth, diuretics,
how can there even be speculation of his drug use when you look at that pic of him as a bloated 21 year old. ???
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Because you do not want to bring undue attention, and focus more spotlight on steroids
Any guy that does that is effectively damaging himself too
Do you believe Mike Ashley was a natural bber?
Undue attention? Ray got DISQUALIFIED for steroids and lost his title. You can't get much more attention than that. It's one thing to be one of the other guys who were in the lower placings.
But, to have the WINNER have to cough up his trophy a week later.........That's undue attention for you, right there.
As for whether I believe Ashley to be natural, my honest answer is I don't know. I have my healthy skepticism on one hand. On ther other, again, if someone had the goods on him, he would have ben outed (if you will) long before now.
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Apparently, you haven't been around enough liberals. ;D
Don't you think some of his fellow pros, including Ray himself, would have outed Ashley if he had the goods on him, taking anabolics?
LOL! :D
MCWAY DO YOU BELIEVE IN SANTA CLAUS TOO ? ;D
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well smilax.gamma oranzol,weider super gain 3600,dibenocozide,did give steroid like gains....
Are you making a funny?
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As for whether I believe Ashley to be natural, my honest answer is I don't know. I have my healthy skepticism on one hand. On ther other, again, if someone had the goods on him, he would have ben outed (if you will) long before now.
how can there even be speculation of his drug use when you look at that pic of him as a bloated 21 year old. ???
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yup, just your average 21 year old drug free non bragadocious 750 lb squatting natural powerlifter!!
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Undue attention? Ray got DISQUALIFIED for steroids and lost his title. You can't get much more attention than that. It's one thing to be one of the other guys who were in the lower placings.
But, to have the WINNER have to cough up his trophy a week later.........That's undue attention for you, right there.
As for whether I believe Ashley to be natural, my honest answer is I don't know. I have my healthy skepticism on one hand. On ther other, again, if someone had the goods on him, he would have ben outed (if you will) long before now.
And Ray could have kept his title and money if he was smart enough to get a cheap lawyer to draft up something and threaten to sue the IFBB like Cutler did in 2001.
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Undue attention? Ray got DISQUALIFIED for steroids and lost his title. You can't get much more attention than that. It's one thing to be one of the other guys who were in the lower placings.
But, to have the WINNER have to cough up his trophy a week later.........That's undue attention for you, right there.
Obviously what I mean, is undue, unecessary attention. The organizations, and the media empire running the organizations wouldn't want the guys making a fuss about anabolics, since the magazines tout a healthy lifestyle, professionals with morals, running on the beach with their monogamous opposite sex partners, eating fresh healthy foods. Basically keeping up charade.
Its bad for biz. Failing the test was not planned. That's what happens when you sub-contract testing and have it sanctioned and observed by outside agencies. At the time Ben Weider really dreamt of bbing in olympics, and making it more mainstream
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Obviously what I mean, is undue, unecessary attention. The organizations, and the media empire running the organizations wouldn't want the guys making a fuss about anabolics, since the magazines tout a healthy lifestyle, professionals with morals, running on the beach with their monogamous opposite sex partners, eating fresh healthy foods. Basically keeping up charade.
Its bad for biz. Failing the test was not planned. That's what happens when you sub-contract testing and have it sanctioned and observed by outside agencies. At the time Ben Weider really dreamt of bbing in olympics, and making it more mainstream
They don't want the guys making a fuss. Yet, they have their second-biggest show drug-tested, with the winner getting DQed and the title going to the initial runner-up?
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They don't want the guys making a fuss. Yet, they have their second-biggest show drug-tested, with the winner getting DQed and the title going to the initial runner-up?
And at the olympia it got embarrassing, the failed tests and the conditioning, that's why testing went on back burner for a while
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And at the olympia it got embarrassing, the failed tests and the conditioning, that's why testing went on back burner for a while
haha, i remember them interviewing lee haney and saying ' lee, you looked awesome, and your test was the cleanest of all!' ??? ???
that's like bragging that your daughter is the least pregnant in her grade ten class.
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And at the olympia it got embarrassing, the failed tests and the conditioning, that's why testing went on back burner for a while
It wouldn't have been as bad, for the Arnold at least, if just some of the other placers had been popped. But, to have that happen to the winner.......Boy, is that a PR nightmare to walk back.
If people were truly interested in getting steroids out of pro bodybuilding, they would have supported the 1990 Olympia, as well as the 1992 WBF Championship.
Vince McMahon showed everyone what happens when you test everyone for everything but the kitchen sink, as he had Dr. Mauro Dipasquale do for that show. Granted, McMahon had the feds, breathing down his neck. But, nonetheless, he put the effort forth to produce his "100% US Tested Grade A Prime Beef", not only for the WBF but for the then-WWF, as well.
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YEAH WBF STRYDOM SHOW'S UP ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME AS 91 ,,DR MAURO MUST HAVE SIPPED THAT URINE SAMPLE,,MIKE QUINN THO PASSED EASILY CAUSE NO ONE WOULD BELIEVE MIGHTY MIGHT QUINN COULD POSSIBLY LOOK LIKE THE STAY PUFT MARSHMELLOW MAN ON SAME REGIMIN AS GARY S,,,,
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YEAH WBF STRYDOM SHOW'S UP ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME AS 91 ,,DR MAURO MUST HAVE SIPPED THAT URINE SAMPLE,,MIKE QUINN THO PASSED EASILY CAUSE NO ONE WOULD BELIEVE MIGHTY MIGHT QUINN COULD POSSIBLY LOOK LIKE THE STAY PUFT MARSHMELLOW MAN ON SAME REGIMIN AS GARY S,,,,
Actually, Strydom looked about 15 lbs lighter than he did in 91. As for Mike Quinn, he blamed Dipasquale's Anabolic Diet, which was supposed to help the bodybuilders transition off drugs, for his horrible condition.
Jim Quinn, Eddie Robinson, David Dearth, and other WBF guys contend that everyone, from Strydom on down, was tested for that show. Mike Christian popped positive, according to an interview he did with Musclemag, and it cost him a month's salary ($25,000).
"The Future" mentioned in another MuscleMag interview that he and Strydom were superhuge (nearly 300 lbs each) prior to the start of the testing (three months, before the show). Therefore, they could afford to give up a bunch of size and still look decent at that show. Quinn also stated that, since he trains so heavy, his size didn't just completely vanish, as with those who train with lighter weights do.
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PED
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(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2010/michael-ashley-interview_dsm.jpg)
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Actually, Strydom looked about 15 lbs lighter than he did in 91. As for Mike Quinn, he blamed Dipasquale's Anabolic Diet, which was supposed to help the bodybuilders transition off drugs, for his horrible condition.
Jim Quinn, Eddie Robinson, David Dearth, and other WBF guys contend that everyone, from Strydom on down, was tested for that show. Mike Christian popped positive, according to an interview he did with Musclemag, and it cost him a month's salary ($25,000).
"The Future" mentioned in another MuscleMag interview that he and Strydom were superhuge (nearly 300 lbs each) prior to the start of the testing (three months, before the show). Therefore, they could afford to give up a bunch of size and still look decent at that show. Quinn also stated that, since he trains so heavy, his size didn't just completely vanish, as with those who train with lighter weights do.
i remember both yrs gary was still as hard and seperated ,if he was 15 lbs lighter not nearly as dramatic as u stated and pretty unoticable.
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(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2010/michael-ashley-interview_dsm.jpg)
100% natural right there.
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Undue attention? Ray got DISQUALIFIED for steroids and lost his title. You can't get much more attention than that. It's one thing to be one of the other guys who were in the lower placings.
But, to have the WINNER have to cough up his trophy a week later.........That's undue attention for you, right there.
As for whether I believe Ashley to be natural, my honest answer is I don't know. I have my healthy skepticism on one hand. On ther other, again, if someone had the goods on him, he would have ben outed (if you will) long before now.
Wow, your delusion reaches the sky, you are naive beyond belief bro, no offence but you are living in lala land.
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Wow, your delusion reaches the sky, you are naive beyond belief bro, no offence but you are living in lala land.
Hardly! I hate California.
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i remember both yrs gary was still as hard and seperated ,if he was 15 lbs lighter not nearly as dramatic as u stated and pretty unoticable.
I beg to differ. I have both championships on tape. Strydom was somewhat smaller in '92 than he was in '91. Just about everyone was, except for Aaron Baker.
My guess is people think he wasn't tested, because he didn't look like a crackhead, ala Mike Christian or Troy Zuccolotto, compared to their '91 form.
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Hardly! I hate California.
lol :D
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haha, i remember them interviewing lee haney and saying ' lee, you looked awesome, and your test was the cleanest of all!' ??? ???
that's like bragging that your daughter is the least pregnant in her grade ten class.
lolz
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I beg to differ. I have both championships on tape. Strydom was somewhat smaller in '92 than he was in '91. Just about everyone was, except for Aaron Baker.
My guess is people think he wasn't tested, because he didn't look like a crackhead, ala Mike Christian or Troy Zuccolotto, compared to their '91 form.
i guess in the grand scheme he still looked great compared to rest and yr before was his best at the time 91.