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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: dj181 on February 18, 2013, 08:00:34 AM
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on my latest workout i did 54 kg (which is 120 pounds) for 5 reps
as it stands now i can load up a bell to 66 kg (which is 145 pounds)
i'm thinking that maybe i'll have to buy some 20 kg plates for my bells, coz then i'll be able to load up a bell with 102 kg (which is 225 pounds)
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dis one for sets of 15 in my prime. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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It'll put the mass on you!
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Three digits, first digit starting with 2.
Good Luck
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It'll put the mass on you!
agreed
especially if i can get up to the point of rowing with 225 pound bells 8)
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dis one for sets of 15 in my prime. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Clearly a strong lift.
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Love one arm rows. My gym's db's only go to 150 and I have done those for a set of 8. But honestly last time I included them in my routine I did 3 sets of 10-15 with 115 without straps and felt like I got much more out of them that way.
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rarely go over 150... but i don't go under 12 reps and they are strict
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DB rows give me a sense of power and actually accomplishing something. Also do DB Hi-pulls, with the same feeling and with good results.
Good Luck.
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Big Dicked Bob does over 300 got to be a record.
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fuck! you dudes can kick ma ass with these, but if i can get them up to 145's for 6 reps or so then that won't be so bad i guess
especially if i can pull them 145's while only weighing 175 or so ;D
maybe hitting 225 is a la-la land for me lol
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woo and yev 33 are right better to do 8-15 reps strict than yank for only a few reps and not get anything out of them , i used straps and grips pic'd a few times but found my grip would get weaker in other moves from not gripping on my own.
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woo and yev 33 are right better to do 8-15 reps strict than yank for only a few reps and not get anything out of them , i used straps and grips pic'd a few times but found my grip would get weaker in other moves from not gripping on my own.
8-15 reps is too many damn reps IMO and in my own personal experience
i gain strength and size the best and quickest when i keep the rep range @ around 4-6 reps or maybe even up to 8 reps, but after 8 reps my strength increases plummet and higher reps don't do jack shit for me
maybe i'll post up before and after photos of my back to prove the point that increased training poundages=bigger muscles ;)
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I was able to move up from 105's for 3 sets of 10-15 to the 115's for 3 sets of 10-15 fairly quick. And my grip strength improved as well.
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woo and yev 33 are right better to do 8-15 reps strict than yank for only a few reps and not get anything out of them , i used straps and grips pic'd a few times but found my grip would get weaker in other moves from not gripping on my own.
i do not use straps anymore... at this point thanks to consistent grip training, my grip exceeds my back strength
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8-15 reps is too many damn reps IMO and in my own personal experience
i gain strength and size the best and quickest when i keep the rep range @ around 4-6 reps or maybe even up to 8 reps, but after 8 reps my strength increases plummet and higher reps don't do jack shit for me
maybe i'll post up before and after photos of my back to prove the point that increased training poundages=bigger muscles ;)
hey if it works for you that's great, that's the true secret of lifting what works for one guy might not work for someone else, also as you age you have to adjust your workouts accordingly to have some longevity.
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yep, you gotta find out what works for you and then stick with it
whenever i pussy out and start lifting lighter loads for more reps i end up looking MUCH WORSE
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200 for 30 reps with gymrat / retard form
150 for 15 with super strict form
guess which one has my lats sore the next day and which one has my bicep tendon feeling like it's about to tear?
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120lbs is usually enough to get the blood moving in the lats.
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The gym i currently train at only has DB's up to 125 pounds, so i use those without straps for 20+ reps towards the end of my back routine. I have always gotten great results from doing one arm rows.
The heaviest i have attempted was 160's for 12 reps with straps many years ago and i was already fatigued at that point. I have always been very strong at rowing movements. I've used the 140's for 15 reps without straps many years ago and that was quite an accomplishment.
I get a much better feel with DB's and i feel it more in my lats when i do a smooth stretch and contraction. I always do them controlled and try not to sling them around too much.
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The gym i currently train at only has DB's up to 125 pounds, so i use those without straps for 20+ reps towards the end of my back routine. I have always gotten great results from doing one arm rows.
The heaviest i have attempted was 160's for 12 reps with straps many years ago and i was already fatigued at that point. I have always been very strong at rowing movements. I've used the 140's for 15 reps without straps many years ago and that was quite an accomplishment.
I get a much better feel with DB's and i feel it more in my lats when i do a smooth stretch and contraction. I always do them controlled and try not to sling them around too much.
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i agree
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i dont believe most of you guys on these numbers.
no way you are doing proper form with those weights,lol.
milos does rows in fast paced back training with 50lbs dumbells.
hope this helps.
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I use 145#'s for 8-10 after deadlifts. :-[
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i dont believe most of you guys on these numbers.
no way you are doing proper form with those weights,lol.
milos does rows in fast paced back training with 50lbs dumbells.
hope this helps.
Sometimes it takes someone else to see how you're lifting to tell you your form sucks. Training back is much more effective when getting a smooth stretch and contraction like overload said.....otherwise all you're doing is training biceps and lower back. I rather do those on their own separate days.
When training back I imagine my elbows are attached to long cables and its them doing all the pulling and focus on feeling the back contracting on the positive. On the negative slowly release and stretch all the way out before I bring it back in/down.
To me that's bodybuilding...focusing solely on strength is not. Weight used is irrelevant to me but on dbs rows I use the 100s for a good 8 reps since what the thread is about.
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50kgs for 10-12.
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i dont believe most of you guys on these numbers.
no way you are doing proper form with those weights,lol.
milos does rows in fast paced back training with 50lbs dumbells.
hope this helps.
I buddy of mine was having issues with getting his back to grow. So I watched one of his back workouts and he was doing one arm rows with 40's. He was curling 45's at the time with super strict form. I got him to start using 80's and showed him how do them properly, within 3 months there was a noticeable difference in his back.
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I buddy of mine was having issues with getting his back to grow. So I watched one of his back workouts and he was doing one arm rows with 40's. He was curling 45's at the time with super strict form. I got him to start using 80's and showed him how do them properly, within 3 months there was a noticeable difference in his back.
Yeah... those starting numbers seem way off. Going by my own personal experience that is....my rowing weight is double the curling weight.
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yeah, ofc this can go both ways, good point 8)
as for ppl using these monster weights, a proper set to me is going from full strecht to full flex(pulling shouldr back)
feeling the lats all the time, not swinging the weight.
if those weights claimed used were with the described form, everyone here would have a back like kai greene. ,
i know a guy who does rows with 4 plates each side, poor form, and guess what, poor back development.
often, rows resemble shrugs with many people.
just saying.
agree .. ;)
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I used to do the 140's with proper form, but when i did the 160's it was more of an attempt just to row them and there was plenty of body movement. I can do perfect reps with the 125's, but i haven't done anything more than that in a while. These days i try to pause for a second at the top and really squeeze. I do feel it a bit in my biceps, but i get an incredible workout in my lats and teres from them.
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still think Barbell rows are King ;D
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I used to do the 140's with proper form, but when i did the 160's it was more of an attempt just to row them and there was plenty of body movement. I can do perfect reps with the 125's, but i haven't done anything more than that in a while. These days i try to pause for a second at the top and really squeeze. I do feel it a bit in my biceps, but i get an incredible workout in my lats and teres from them.
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Yeah but you're a monster...
You have a pling background if I'm not mistaken and you've been using for quite a while. If someone who is natural is using the same weights you are than something is just not right...
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So that begs the question....are you guys doing db rows with one hand on a bench or one hand on the db rack?
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When your doing bwt DB rows (or around 20-30 lbs below bwt), for a couple of good reps, your approaching the strongman class. For me, it's still one of those exercise that doesn't do much for lat/back improvement. Would select the curl grip (under hand..medium grip) BB row, as a better exercise for me. But having the knuckles forward, and elbows out (with a lighter DB) hits my posterior delts fairly well. .Oh yeah.....one hand on a rack or forearm/elbow on a bar in a PR, never got into the knee on the bench thing. Good Luck.
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ok ill ask differently.
you big row lifters, how many pull ups can you do with strict form?
I can pull your mom up..... Kidding.
I can comfortbly get 4 sets of 10 underhand to the sternum now. BW is 235 at 6ft.
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I can pull your mom up..... Kidding.
I can comfortbly get 4 sets of 10 underhand to the sternum now. BW is 235 at 6ft.
I do not even bother now with wide grip overhand.. sternum chins underhand are a great ex.. i can hit 10-15 per set. wide grip overhand behind the neck i used to do about 8-10 per set.. for 3-5 sets.
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I do not even bother now with wide grip overhand.. sternum chins underhand are a great ex.. i can hit 10-15 per set. wide grip overhand behind the neck i used to do about 8-10 per set.. for 3-5 sets.
Yeah I got the movement from your post a while back. It's fuckjng brutal compared to regular chins.
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Yeah I got the movement from your post a while back. It's fuckjng brutal compared to regular chins.
itīs really advanced and the movement is a great compliment to BB or DB rows. Infact tri set sternum chins with bb/db rows and pullovers... the sternum chin is a complete movement for your lats. I know no other better movement.
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ok ill ask differently.
you big row lifters, how many pull ups can you do with strict form?
I wouldn't consider myself as a big row lifter but...
Additional 90lbs at a BW of 195 for 4 was what I topped out last year for overhand grip pull ups. This was the same time I was doing one arm rows with 115's for 3 sets of 10-15.
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I wouldn't consider myself as a big row lifter but...
Additional 90lbs at a BW of 195 for 4 was what I topped out last year for overhand grip pull ups. This was the same time I was doing one arm rows with 115's for 3 sets of 10-15.
i think that is strong very good.
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ok ill ask differently.
you big row lifters, how many pull ups can you do with strict form?
i can do about 6-8 reps with 50 pounds added onto me (this is wide grip overhand style)
underhand close-grip style i can do about 6-8 reps with 25 pounds added onto me
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i can do about 6-8 reps with 50 pounds added onto me (this is wide grip overhand style)
underhand close-grip style i can do about 6-8 reps with 25 pounds added onto me
starting to wonder about you dj...your posts are naive but your not..sort of piss taking.
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starting to wonder about you dj...your posts are naive but your not..sort of piss taking.
what's naive about that post dude?
just giving an honest report of my lat strength capabilites
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you have more knowledge than you put out. I will agree with your training volume comments and think you should get away from this AJ mentality. Train how you feel..if i feel like my arms are toasted after 10 sets...ok but another day i might feel like 15 because my body wants it and also itīs mental. you know that as an advanced trainer which is evident in your photo.
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i think that is strong very good.
Thank You.
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Thank You.
no problem you are one of the knowlegable trainers on here.
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Yeah but you're a monster...
You have a pling background if I'm not mistaken and you've been using for quite a while. If someone who is natural is using the same weights you are than something is just not right...
I used to weigh 250+ and deadlift over 700 pounds. I've been using AAS for over 10 years, so I'm not your average lifter for sure. When i was natural i remember using the 115's for one arm rows, but i only weighed around 190.
I alternate between using the bench with my knee and hand on it, then sometimes i rest my hand on the DB rack so I'm standing but leaning over. I get a better feel when I'm standing, but when the gym is crowded i don't like to use the rack.
Last time i did bodyweight chins i think i did ~30 with an underhand grip. I weigh 215 right now and i usually do chins with a 45 pound plate for 12-15 reps.
When i was power lifting and weighed 250, i don't think i could do 8 chins with my bodyweight. I train very differently today.
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I used to do the 140's with proper form, but when i did the 160's it was more of an attempt just to row them and there was plenty of body movement. I can do perfect reps with the 125's, but i haven't done anything more than that in a while. These days i try to pause for a second at the top and really squeeze. I do feel it a bit in my biceps, but i get an incredible workout in my lats and teres from them.
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this is how I try to do them now.. hold at the top for a beat, 3 second to lower then back up under control.
back when 'kroc rows' were a big thing on the internet I actually did those retard 'rows' when I was PLer, I'm amazed I didnt tear my biceps or my RCs.. I know it did fck all for my development but possibly it helped my DL a bit
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you have more knowledge than you put out. I will agree with your training volume comments and think you should get away from this AJ mentality. Train how you feel..if i feel like my arms are toasted after 10 sets...ok but another day i might feel like 15 because my body wants it and also itīs mental. you know that as an advanced trainer which is evident in your photo.
outstanding post!
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So that begs the question....are you guys doing db rows with one hand on a bench or one hand on the db rack?
I rest my hand on the db rack....
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So that begs the question....are you guys doing db rows with one hand on a bench or one hand on the db rack?
I never liked the db rack version, I will either do them with one knee on the bench or just do them without bracing on any equipment by resting the elbow of the non working arm on my knee.
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I rest my hand on the db rack....
yeah...i like this too. i reast my hand on a slightly inclined bench(at the back if you understand what i mean ;D) although anyone with back issues should do what yev33 suggests (knee and hand on bench. itīs really about stretching and feeling the lats and slowly using the negative. But you dudes know this so i am teaching you to suck eggs here..picking up too much slang of you American Bros...
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i used to do them with 1 hand on a bench, these days i actually put my hand and knee of the non-working side of my body on a bench and focus on controlling the weight
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i know this concept of proper and picture perfect form, but in my own personal experience, a looser style works much better
i was doing the pause at the top with no jerk at that start and it didn't really do shit for me, but just recently i've loosened up my style a bit and now my lats are thickening up and getting wider ;D 8) ;)
i attribute this all to INCREASED LOAD
but again... this is just my own personal experience and i cant' say that it would work for all
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i know this concept of proper and picture perfect form, but in my own personal experience, a looser style works much better
i was doing the pause at the top with no jerk at that start and it didn't really do shit for me, but just recently i've loosened up my style a bit and now my lats are thickening up and getting wider ;D 8) ;)
i attribute this all to INCREASED LOAD
but again... this is just my own personal experience and i cant' say that it would work for all
i did not suggest perfect form... just "controlling the weight" and i agree with you but there is a difference between loose and sloppy
Loose:
(http://cdni.condenast.co.uk/320x480/k_n/kprice_gl_20jul09_pa_b.jpg)
Sloppy:
(http://noshrinkingviola.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/fat-chick_021.jpg)
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i did not suggest perfect form... just "controlling the weight" and i agree with you but there is a difference between loose and sloppy
Loose:
(http://cdni.condenast.co.uk/320x480/k_n/kprice_gl_20jul09_pa_b.jpg)
Sloppy:
(http://noshrinkingviola.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/fat-chick_021.jpg)
so would you call this a sloppy training style?
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at the end of the day do your own thing...love the pics----lol
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so would you call this a sloppy training style?
i won't point out the fact that you responded to my white women pictures with videos of a black man.... wait i just did...
but yeah, to me the form in those videos is dangerous and stupid
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i won't point out the fact that you responded to my white women pictures with videos of a black man.... wait i just did...
but yeah, to me the form in those videos is dangerous and stupid
lol
but where does this asian female fit into all of this man ;D
i know where she fits, and that would be right into my bed 8)
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8tfd5iQg11rbf36no1_500.jpg)
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lol
but where does this asian female fit into all of this man ;D
i know where she fits, and that would be right into my bed 8)
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8tfd5iQg11rbf36no1_500.jpg)
if she let me duck tape her hands and feet together i could dumbbell row her
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Any one ever do two hand DB rows? Or two hand DB cleans?
Those shots of Fox are not all that extreme in a lot of gyms in SoCal. With the druggies, bicep tendons seem to crash the most, with that style arm workout. Than tricep and pec injuries to follow.
If liking gorgeous Asian chicks, San Diego and Orange counties are differently over supplied...which is a good thing. Another bonus is some excellent Asian restaurants. Though quite a few restaurants, and people, prefer the term Oriental rather than Asian.
Good Luck.
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lol
but where does this asian female fit into all of this man ;D
i know where she fits, and that would be right into my bed 8)
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8tfd5iQg11rbf36no1_500.jpg)
VERY NICE!!
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i can do them with the 60kgs ones but i wont feel shit on the lats, all arms and not full rom.
i use 30-40kgs with proper form on the heaviest sets.
holy shit
we have 60kg dumbbelss also at my gym
i once picked them off the rack
was imagining how on earth can ronnie bench press 90kg dumbbelss
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I used to weigh 250+ and deadlift over 700 pounds. I've been using AAS for over 10 years, so I'm not your average lifter for sure. When i was natural i remember using the 115's for one arm rows, but i only weighed around 190.
I alternate between using the bench with my knee and hand on it, then sometimes i rest my hand on the DB rack so I'm standing but leaning over. I get a better feel when I'm standing, but when the gym is crowded i don't like to use the rack.
Last time i did bodyweight chins i think i did ~30 with an underhand grip. I weigh 215 right now and i usually do chins with a 45 pound plate for 12-15 reps.
When i was power lifting and weighed 250, i don't think i could do 8 chins with my bodyweight. I train very differently today.
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Given your size and experience I think maybe some of us are using too much weight...just cause we can do something doesn't mean we should. For me it depends on the day...cause one gym I train at only has dbs that go up to 80s but I think its good to go lighter some days anyways. In a perfect world we would all get stronger every workout and be able to lift super heavy all the time wo pain/injuries but that's not the reality.
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In a perfect world we would all get stronger every workout and be able to lift super heavy all the time wo pain/injuries but that's not the reality.
that's very true, but if you aren't getting stronger ie. increasing your training loads, they you ain't getting bigger
i'm just hoping that once i get to the point where i can get 6-8 reps with 145 pound bell that my lats and delts will be big enough
another thing i don't quite get is how dudes can train year in and year out and stay and look exactly the same (ie. maintaining) coz in my opinion the fun of training is making progress
not that it is bad to maintain oneself, and i have alot of respect for fellas who do this, but in my own personal case it just gets boring as fuck not making any gains and just maintaining, and i'm really kinda dreading this day once my progress comes to a halt as i got a feeling that i'll just say "fuck it! this is dull not making any progress" and just stop training
in fact, AJ was the exact same, as he'd train and make great gains but then once he hit a wall and wasn't gaining anymore then he'd just give up in disgust and stop training entirely
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that's very true, but if you aren't getting stronger ie. increasing your training loads, they you ain't getting bigger
i'm just hoping that once i get to the point where i can get 6-8 reps with 145 pound bell that my lats and delts will be big enough
another thing i don't quite get is how dudes can train year in and year out and stay and look exactly the same (ie. maintaining) coz in my opinion the fun of training is making progress
not that it is bad to maintain oneself, and i have alot of respect for fellas who do this, but in my own personal case it just gets boring as fuck not making any gains and just maintaining, and i'm really kinda dreading this day once my progress comes to a halt as i got a feeling that i'll just say "fuck it! this is dull not making any progress" and just stop training
in fact, AJ was the exact same, as he'd train and make great gains but then once he hit a wall and wasn't gaining anymore then he'd just give up in disgust and stop training entirely
I'm with ya on the progressing....I always have to be gaining or cutting otherwise I feel like I'm wasting time/effort. But there are changes that do happen with time like the look of your muscle as it matures.
BTW..who's aj?
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I'm with ya on the progressing....I always have to be gaining or cutting otherwise I feel like I'm wasting time/effort. But there are changes that do happen with time like the look of your muscle as it matures.
BTW..who's aj?
AJ=Arthur Jones ;D
(http://www.sportowiec.org/pub/images/editor/zdjeciasierpien2012/Arthur_Jones_rezerwat.jpg)
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tBH I don't know much about the man above with a gun feeding a baby elephant. Seems interesting enough to do a little reading I suppose.
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tBH I don't know much about the man above with a gun feeding a baby elephant. Seems interesting enough to do a little reading I suppose.
well man, if you're serious then here's the place to go 8)
http://www.arthurjonesexercise.com/home.html
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well man, if you're serious then here's the place to go 8)
http://www.arthurjonesexercise.com/home.html
Thanks.
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I think a lot of people get confused when it comes to progressive overload. The tendency to think at what being suggested is that you can increase your training poundages every workout to infinity where everyone can bench 1000 lbs raw. In reality though that's not what is implied at all. Someone who can bent over row say 315lbs x 8 for example might be able to move up 5-10 lbs over a 12 week training cycle before he stalls out completely. At which point you would swap in a different rowing movement for 12 weeks and try to get stronger on that. When the person comes back to the barbell rows he won't be able to come back to right where he left off, it may take 6 weeks to get back to that point and another 6 weeks to add another 5-10lbs.. But over the course of a couple years that same guy will be able to row 335-345 it's a slow process with someone who has been training for a while but it's progress regardless.
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I think a lot of people get confused when it comes to progressive overload. The tendency to think at what being suggested is that you can increase your training poundages every workout to infinity where everyone can bench 1000 lbs raw. In reality though that's not what is implied at all. Someone who can bent over row say 315lbs x 8 for example might be able to move up 5-10 lbs over a 12 week training cycle before he stalls out completely. At which point you would swap in a different rowing movement for 12 weeks and try to get stronger on that. When the person comes back to the barbell rows he won't be able to come back to right where he left off, it may take 6 weeks to get back to that point and another 6 weeks to add another 5-10lbs.. But over the course of a couple years that same guy will be able to row 335-345 it's a slow process with someone who has been training for a while but it's progress regardless.
you know that Mentzer claimed that one could max out their training load potential in less than one year right?
i call bullshit on this statement, but he sincerely believed that it was true, coz he said if you take enough rest between workouts as you keep getting bigger and stronger that there is no need to periodize and max potential will be reached very quickly
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I think a lot of people get confused when it comes to progressive overload. The tendency to think at what being suggested is that you can increase your training poundages every workout to infinity where everyone can bench 1000 lbs raw. In reality though that's not what is implied at all. Someone who can bent over row say 315lbs x 8 for example might be able to move up 5-10 lbs over a 12 week training cycle before he stalls out completely. At which point you would swap in a different rowing movement for 12 weeks and try to get stronger on that. When the person comes back to the barbell rows he won't be able to come back to right where he left off, it may take 6 weeks to get back to that point and another 6 weeks to add another 5-10lbs.. But over the course of a couple years that same guy will be able to row 335-345 it's a slow process with someone who has been training for a while but it's progress regardless.
I agree you canīt just keep increasing weight, you need to later use other training methods to get further...
Periodization:
The theory is based upon the discovery that constant heavy-duty training does not lead to maximum progress. In fact,keeping up too high a level of intensity without adequate rest often leads to diminishing performance , burn-out , or injury. Periodization allows the body to gradually adapt to the stress of exercise.
I would rather listen to Mr Pearl than A.J.
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I agree you canīt just keep increasing weight, you need to later use other training methods to get further...
Periodization:
The theory is based upon the discovery that constant heavy-duty training does not lead to maximum progress. In fact,keeping up too high a level of intensity without adequate rest often leads to diminishing performance , burn-out , or injury. Periodization allows the body to gradually adapt to the stress of exercise.
I would rather listen to Mr Pearl than A.J.
but pearl never changed after a certain point, all he did was play around with bodyfat levels and he didn't gain any more lean muscle tissue for many many years
in other words, this "periodization" just allowed him to play around with bodyfat levels, but he didn't put on anymore level muscle tissue
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speaks for its self .... ;)
http://www.billpearl.com/career.asp
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he's a legend, but what are his stats throughout the years? ie. bodyweight and bodyfat levels?
my point is that he never gained anymore lean muscle tissue after a certain point
look at my idol King Zane
he was 187 @ 5% from 1977-1980 and later in 1982 he stepped on stage at over 200 pounds
and guess what? his training poundages INCREASED GREATLY in 1982 ;)
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speaks for its self .... ;)
http://www.billpearl.com/career.asp
Bill was a legend no doubt, I think he used get up at like 3am and train.
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never mind all this manly talk here... check this out for perfect glutes..in a nice panty.
:D
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Bill was a legend no doubt, I think he used get up at like 3am and train.
yes 6 days a week...very dedicated man.
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I think a lot of people get confused when it comes to progressive overload. The tendency to think at what being suggested is that you can increase your training poundages every workout to infinity where everyone can bench 1000 lbs raw. In reality though that's not what is implied at all. Someone who can bent over row say 315lbs x 8 for example might be able to move up 5-10 lbs over a 12 week training cycle before he stalls out completely. At which point you would swap in a different rowing movement for 12 weeks and try to get stronger on that. When the person comes back to the barbell rows he won't be able to come back to right where he left off, it may take 6 weeks to get back to that point and another 6 weeks to add another 5-10lbs.. But over the course of a couple years that same guy will be able to row 335-345 it's a slow process with someone who has been training for a while but it's progress regardless.
This seems very reasonable.
I agree you canīt just keep increasing weight, you need to later use other training methods to get further...
Periodization:
The theory is based upon the discovery that constant heavy-duty training does not lead to maximum progress. In fact,keeping up too high a level of intensity without adequate rest often leads to diminishing performance , burn-out , or injury. Periodization allows the body to gradually adapt to the stress of exercise.
I would rather listen to Mr Pearl than A.J.
For me this has been a good way to train over the years. I haven't placed a lot on emphasis on pushing heavy weights all the time but eventually they've increased. I tried dogg crapp training and had good results...wouldn't be able to put my body through that all the time though. I think it's time to go back to some heavy training now after all this talk...
he's a legend, but what are his stats throughout the years? ie. bodyweight and bodyfat levels?
my point is that he never gained anymore lean muscle tissue after a certain point
look at my idol King Zane
he was 187 @ 5% from 1977-1980 and later in 1982 he stepped on stage at over 200 pounds
and guess what? his training poundages INCREASED GREATLY in 1982 ;)
He must've came across some magical strength inducing, appetite stimulating supplements...that is a huge increase.
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i can do about 6-8 reps with 50 pounds added onto me (this is wide grip overhand style)
underhand close-grip style i can do about 6-8 reps with 25 pounds added onto me
hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa a.
So this is where you are hiding these days and spreading your bullshit.
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hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
So this is where you are hiding these days and spreading your bullshit.
bullshit will be dis-confirmed once i post my update pics chumpo :D
update pics will come once i can row 145 for 6-8 reps, which should happen round the start of april
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I agree you canīt just keep increasing weight, you need to later use other training methods to get further...
Periodization:
The theory is based upon the discovery that constant heavy-duty training does not lead to maximum progress. In fact,keeping up too high a level of intensity without adequate rest often leads to diminishing performance , burn-out , or injury. Periodization allows the body to gradually adapt to the stress of exercise.
I would rather listen to Mr Pearl than A.J.
Absolutely!!
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i looked up very closely what are halodrol and superdrol.
so, dj181, youre by far no natural at all.
you are on stronger stuff than i am,lol.
those are legit and full out real steroids, just without the label.
i hope this helps.you are a steroid user, and considering that, your hysique is nothing.
sorry brother.but it is what it is.
lmao
like that arab guy who says he's natural he also use(d) superdrol
(strongest oral ever created?)
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i looked up very closely what are halodrol and superdrol.
so, dj181, youre by far no natural at all.
you are on stronger stuff than i am,lol.
those are legit and full out real steroids, just without the label.
i hope this helps.you are a steroid user, and considering that, your hysique is nothing.
sorry brother.but it is what it is.
well man, i take 10mg most days of the week but not every single day (basically on my training days) and i take a full week off every 4 or 5 weeks, so i'd say that makes me a rather light user
is 10 mg 4 or 5 days a week a big roid user?
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well man, i take 10mg most days of the week but not every single day (basically on my training days) and i take a full week off every 4 or 5 weeks, so i'd say that makes me a rather light user
is 10 mg 4 or 5 days a week a big roid user?
You're a juicer...and look like nothing.
Period.
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bullshit will be dis-confirmed once i post my update pics chumpo :D
update pics will come once i can row 145 for 6-8 reps, which should happen round the start of april
yeah you keep saying you're gonna post pics. started in November. it's fucking February of the next year.
here's a hint..oral Steroids make you retain water, that's why you are beating your head in wondering why you don't look cut, stupid
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Oh....and LOLOL @ the guy on Superdrol bragging about his strength...no shit you got stronger. ::)
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How much does Groink db row? And hand on the rack or hand/knee on the bench?
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>:(
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wait, justifying steroids with low dosages?
thats not how it works.
even very low dose cycle blasts natural straight out of the water,no questions.
if im on 100mg test e weekly, thats still on gear.theres no ifs about that.
man, get your diet in order,dj181, those are weak results for being on mislabeled masterona.
fucking hell, do you realize that materona is right up there with trenbolone?
masteron might even be more androgenic than tren.
not to mention anapolon.
if i-or anyone- took anapolon and ate a broscience diet with 200gramms-300gramms protein a day along with whatever else, everyone should gain a very fast 10lbs of muscle.
with masteron, there should be striations and veins popping everywhere.
comeone you looking into what training regiments might be good etc, yet deliberately dismiss diet.
look, when on gear like you are, training matters fuck all, but diet will be important,at very least the adequate protein intake will be needed.
so you really think that "diet" makes that much of a diff?
here's my current "diet"
breakkie: musli ceral with milk and coffee with milk and sugar
lunch: 2 burritos and coca cola
din-din: 3 eggs and 6 strips of bacon and grapefruit juice and 2 chocolate chip muffins
late meal: lo-mien noodles and coca cola
my "diet" is rich in carbs and moderate fat and pro
i don't know how much fucking protein that is, but it ain't 200-300 grams, closer to 100 grams i'd say
so what would you suggest dude? and don't worry man, i'll listen and maybe even try it out, but i ain't gonna eat clean and i gotta eat cheap coz i'm a broke punkass
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i don't know what rowing has to do with updated pics ???dj,,,and trying to make dry lean gains on orals goes against your'zane'standard ur trying to achieve with your build,any gains made will diminish/dissapear do to oral's not being best choice on there own for dry gains,,,good luck,,post pics to prove 'groink'wrong.
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i don't know what rowing has to do with updated pics ???dj,,,and trying to make dry lean gains on orals goes against your'zane'standard ur trying to achieve with your build,any gains made will diminish/dissapear do to oral's not being best choice on there own for dry gains,,,good luck,,post pics to prove 'groink'wrong.
well man, that dude in my avi is EXACTLY what i want to look like
and i'd put him @ 175-180 @ 5-6% if he is my height of 5'11"
and remember, sdrol is a dry gainer ;)
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/165508-superdrol-dry-wet.html
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well man, that dude in my avi is EXACTLY what i want to look like
and i'd put him @ 175-180 @ 5-6% if he is my height of 5'11"
and remember, sdrol is a dry gainer ;)
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/165508-superdrol-dry-wet.html
is that his diet your doing?too,,,u need before,during,after,pics ,,i guess u'll suprise us,,no insult here from me,,good luck...u no what ur doing if u researched ...
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is that his diet your doing?too,,,u need before,during,after,pics ,,i guess u'll suprise us,,no insult here from me,,good luck...u no what ur doing if u researched ...
no that "diet" is my own thing
like i said before i'll post up update pics once i row the 145 pound bell for 6-8 reps and get a good 6-8 reps on weighted push-ups with 150 pounds strapped onto me
right now i get 6 reps with 125 pound bell in the rows and i can get 10 reps with 100 pounds strapped to me on the weighted push-ups
i predict that i'll hit these strength goals within 2 months time
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no that "diet" is my own thing
like i said before i'll post up update pics once i row the 145 pound bell for 6-8 reps and get a good 6-8 reps on weighted push-ups with 150 pounds strapped onto me
right now i get 6 reps with 125 pound bell in the rows and i can get 10 reps with 100 pounds strapped to me on the weighted push-ups
i predict that i'll hit these strength goals within 2 months time
fair enough,,,
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i don't know what rowing has to do with updated pics ???dj,,,and trying to make dry lean gains on orals goes against your'zane'standard ur trying to achieve with your build,any gains made will diminish/dissapear do to oral's not being best choice on there own for dry gains,,,good luck,,post pics to prove 'groink'wrong.
Dj is 100% confident he'll achieve a certain look when he can row 145 lbs on his diet of burritos and lo mein noodles ;D . I hope he does it I really do!
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i do chest supported dbell row, so 90lbs in each hand is enough. with 100lbs i can't focus on the contraction.
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You can move a weight or feel a weight. I train mostly by feel these days, and rest very little between sets. My top set of DB rows usually is with 75 lbs, doing full 8 reps and another 15 partials in between those reps. Rest time is usually 15 seconds in between sets. On my move the weight day which is once a week, I will do 95 lbs for 2-3 reps, 15 seconds rest for 15 sets. That workout is designed to hit a totally different energy system then the feel day. This is designed for power. You won't get much size doing 2-3 reps.
DB rows in particular was an exercise where it was very hard to feel the back working when the weights got heavy. I never got much results going a lot heavier.
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You can move a weight or feel a weight. I train mostly by feel these days, and rest very little between sets. My top set of DB rows usually is with 75 lbs, doing full 8 reps and another 15 partials in between those reps. Rest time is usually 15 seconds in between sets. On my move the weight day which is once a week, I will do 95 lbs for 2-3 reps, 15 seconds rest for 15 sets. That workout is designed to hit a totally different energy system then the feel day. This is designed for power. You won't get much size doing 2-3 reps.
DB rows in particular was an exercise where it was very hard to feel the back working when the weights got heavy. I never got much results going a lot heavier.
Nearly everyone i see do dumbell rows does them wrong. The trick is to pull up and BACK to the hip in an arc like motion...you will doing like 1/3 of the weight this way but this will actually make the lats do the work and not the mid back/arms.
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i use 30-34kg dumbbells for this exercise
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your all arms and legs bro, you need to up the torso and delt size
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your all arms and legs bro, you need to up the torso and delt size
i should have known all along
serious strength training by tudor bompa said it all along
"develop the torso first, limbs second"
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Dumbbell rows can be a delusional lift like doing shallow leg presses with the weight of a car. Doing them through a full range of motion without jerking limits the weight. Doing it crap fashion jerking the bell with lousy form will allow you to row a house size dumbbell. That gif at the beginning of this thread was actually decent form. Many guys delusionally think they are doing it like the gif.
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Dumbbell rows can be a delusional lift like doing shallow leg presses with the weight of a car. Doing them through a full range of motion without jerking limits the weight. Doing it crap fashion jerking the bell with lousy form will allow you to row a house size dumbbell. That gif at the beginning of this thread was actually decent form. Many guys delusionally think they are doing it like the gif.
True about most any lift though. I'm pretty tight with my form but sometimes I'll let it go for a few more pounds. 8)
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Dumbbell rows can be a delusional lift like doing shallow leg presses with the weight of a car. Doing them through a full range of motion without jerking limits the weight. Doing it crap fashion jerking the bell with lousy form will allow you to row a house size dumbbell. That gif at the beginning of this thread was actually decent form. Many guys delusionally think they are doing it like the gif.
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I like the exercise but it's not very economical. good for burning some extra calories.
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I only use as much weight as I can hoist cleanly and with a full range of motion. I don't see this as a power lifting exercise. But then, that is just my opinion.
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I only use as much weight as I can hoist cleanly and with a full range of motion. I don't see this as a power lifting exercise. But then, that is just my opinion.
yes when you use too much weight you lose the "Feeling" in the lats , at least i do.
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I only use as much weight as I can hoist cleanly and with a full range of motion. I don't see this as a power lifting exercise. But then, that is just my opinion.
i agree, for me rows are more about being able to hold the weight and feel a strong contraction at the top than about just moving weight.
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110s for 8 reps.
Getting stronger tho.
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I have used 65 lb. dumbbells for this movement, although I think my form was starting to suffer some. I have learned over many years of trial and error that often lighter weights and strict movements are much more beneficial then the other method of hoisting as much poundage as you possibly can.
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I like to use strict form on the first two working sets. Then the last set or two I up the weight and put some power into it.
Best of both worlds.
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My gym only has 100 lb. dbs. I do 3 sets of 30 with them. Love them.
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70 kg / 154 lbs for 20 reps kinda Kroc-Row style ... form wasn't strict but it wasn't comletely fucked uo either 8)
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For you guys doing 100+ on this exercise, seriously critique your form/motion.
I used to go heavy on these, upwards of 150 for sets of 5. .... of course with shitty form.
I dropped the weight significantly, hit sets of about 13 with 60-80lbs, WITH A PAUSE at the contraction.
What a difference in soreness and definition.
My advice, drop the weight here and make a pause at the peak of the contraction.
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I have used 65 lb. dumbbells for this movement, although I think my form was starting to suffer some. I have learned over many years of trial and error that often lighter weights and strict movements are much more beneficial then the other method of hoisting as much poundage as you possibly can.
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With age comes wisdom.
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For you guys doing 100+ on this exercise, seriously critique your form/motion.
I used to go heavy on these, upwards of 150 for sets of 5. .... of course with shitty form.
I dropped the weight significantly, hit sets of about 13 with 60-80lbs, WITH A PAUSE at the contraction.
What a difference in soreness and definition.
My advice, drop the weight here and make a pause at the peak of the contraction.
I STAY AND USE IT FINISH MOVEMENT 90/100'S TOPS SETS 10
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30 kg double hand double row on a shallow incline with the chest is best
for sets of 10-12 as a finishing exercies
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30 kg double hand double row on a shallow incline with the chest is best
for sets of 10-12 as a finishing exercies
christ you're weak
and you got almost 20 fucking kilos on me lol
i like you dude, but you don't look 93 kg
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You think Pumpster gives a damn just lift as much as you can and drink milk after cats, makes you strong.
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christ you're weak
and you got almost 20 fucking kilos on me lol
i like you dude, but you don't look 93 kg
weak right..........
very weak........
ask wes i sent him a video once
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weak right..........
very weak........
ask wes i sent him a video once
Outed.
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Powerlifter/Strongman here
75kg and not very lean, single digit but not bodybuilder lean
I row the 60kg dumbbells (heaviest in my gym, 132lb for the metrically challenged) for 20 strict reps. One arm rows here.
I also Pendlay row 140kg for triples. Not as strict as the dumbbell rows I find it helps to cheat a tiny bit but I am not humping the bar
Lats are not that wide but I have big fucking traps and a thick upper back
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Powerlifter/Strongman here
75kg and not very lean, single digit but not bodybuilder lean
I row the 60kg dumbbells (heaviest in my gym, 132lb for the metrically challenged) for 20 strict reps. One arm rows here.
I also Pendlay row 140kg for triples. Not as strict as the dumbbell rows I find it helps to cheat a tiny bit but I am not humping the bar
Lats are not that wide but I have big fucking traps and a thick upper back
ALL FORMS ROWING WILL GIVE YOU THAT LOOK.NICE.
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Powerlifter/Strongman here
75kg and not very lean, single digit but not bodybuilder lean
I row the 60kg dumbbells (heaviest in my gym, 132lb for the metrically challenged) for 20 strict reps. One arm rows here.
I also Pendlay row 140kg for triples. Not as strict as the dumbbell rows I find it helps to cheat a tiny bit but I am not humping the bar
Lats are not that wide but I have big fucking traps and a thick upper back
fuck that's strong, especially at your bodyweight :o
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fuck that's strong, especially at your bodyweight :o
No kidding. Pendlay rows with nearly TWICE bodyweight ... holy shit. I thought I was hot stuff a few years back doing them with just over 1.4x BW. Granted, I was a good bit heavier than 75 kilos (more like 110), but still ... :o
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Big Dicked Bob does 150 kg on light days.
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Yeah but I train for different things, sure you guys are a whole lot bigger and better looking than I am lol
Dude in my gym can't even deadlift 4 plates and tbh I find it funny even when a girl can't deadlift 3 plates. But he has a massive back lol. He uses pretty tiny weights but does an assload of volume. He is an bench presser though. Seen him do 160kg for easy sets of 10 after a night out. Top half reps mind but still very impressive, just cranks them out seemingly effortlessly after doing some machine shoulder press lol then goes onto smith machine work
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Yeah but I train for different things, sure you guys are a whole lot bigger and better looking than I am lol
Dude in my gym can't even deadlift 4 plates and tbh I find it funny even when a girl can't deadlift 3 plates. But he has a massive back lol. He uses pretty tiny weights but does an assload of volume. He is an bench presser though. Seen him do 160kg for easy sets of 10 after a night out. Top half reps mind but still very impressive, just cranks them out seemingly effortlessly after doing some machine shoulder press lol then goes onto smith machine work
so do you just stick with the "stength" roids then? like var, halo, etc?
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so do you just stick with the "stength" roids then? like var, halo, etc?
No I go for the cheap, tried and tested steroids. No need for those drugs.
All you need is testosterone, trenbolone, nandrolone, dianabol, masteron, all long esters apart from last 2 weeks before comp, masteron is only used at this point but only if you're very lean and right on the edge of your ideal weight class which I am not lol, arimidex for estrogen, gh and insulin for recovery
At the moment all I take is 500mg of testosterone a week. It's all I need. I am gaining weight nice and slowly no need to turn freaky fast. I am focusing on cutting body fat and it's just to help shit along. No amount of drugs will make you strong really it's intelligent training and diet, the drugs are more for keeping things ticking along nicely and getting more muscular than you can naturally but again no need to gain really fast. When you can fast your strength won't increase at the same rate at all and your coefficient score will end up going down lol. I am competing in mid december so I'll start the tren at 75mg every other day 1st december along with a m14add/halodrol prohormone (can't get good dbol atm so this is cheaper than taking a few extra tabs)
When you get more advanced than I am you split between high anabolics and high androgens. So maybe 500-750 test e for 4 weeks then 400-600 deca (tiny bit of test or dbol) for 4 weeks alternating like that. Competitions ALWAYS fall on high androgen months for strength and you plan backwards like that. With the anabolics you train high volume and the androgens you lower the volume and ramp up the weight. Don't really see the point in taking any more than 1.5g of AAS (NI orals) a week unless you're truly a super heavy weight at the top of your game or going after WSM title lol
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2 arm db rows, 130lb for 5-8 reps.
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110s for 8 reps.
Getting stronger tho.
115s for 8 with decent form.
Getting leaner and stronger without aas. Well, my back and legs are getting stronger...pressing strength is at a standstill.
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115s for 8 with decent form.
Getting leaner and stronger without aas. Well, my back and legs are getting stronger...pressing strength is at a standstill.
what's your bodyweight?
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what's your bodyweight?
Right now 193lbs in the mid-high teens bodyfat.
This is without carbs so I can put on about 9lbs in a few days with a recarb and just eating regular.
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Right now 193lbs in the mid-high teens bodyfat.
This is without carbs so I can put on about 9lbs in a few days with a recarb or two.
not bad, how many days per week do you train, and how often do you train each bodypart?
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not bad, how many days per week do you train, and how often do you train each bodypart?
Legs twice a week. Chest every 5 days. Back every 5 days or sometimes twice a week. Depends on how I feel with recovery. I'm dieting on under 1000cals so I need to listen to my body.
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Shit I feel weak after reading all your numbers. I can do 105 for 8-10 reps using very strict form, no straps.
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115s for 8 with decent form.
Getting leaner and stronger without aas. Well, my back and legs are getting stronger...pressing strength is at a standstill.
8)...DJ HAD A 120 LB CHALLENGE A WHILE BACK I TOOK HIS IDEA AND TRIED 120'S I USUALLY DO 100'S COMFORTABLE TO FINISH AT BACK END WORKOUT THATS AFTER CHINS/LOW ROW CABLE/TBAR INNER GRIP/AND REVERSE HAMMER PULLDOWNS,100'S ARE PLENTY BUT I MANAGED STRAPPED 120'S FOR 8.
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8)...DJ HAD A 120 LB CHALLENGE A WHILE BACK I TOOK HIS IDEA AND TRIED 120'S I USUALLY DO 100'S COMFORTABLE TO FINISH AT BACK END WORKOUT THATS AFTER CHINS/LOW ROW CABLE/TBAR INNER GRIP/AND REVERSE HAMMER PULLDOWNS,100'S ARE PLENTY BUT I MANAGED STRAPPED 120'S FOR 8.
not bad dude 8)
i pulled 245 for 10 reps which ain't much, but if i keep at it i'll be pulling 315 for 6-8 with 2-3 months me thinks
how much you dead brother?
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not bad dude 8)
i pulled 245 for 10 reps which ain't much, but if i keep at it i'll be pulling 315 for 6-8 with 2-3 months me thinks
how much you dead brother?
245 IS THAT BENT OVER ROWS ??
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not bad dude 8)
i pulled 245 for 10 reps which ain't much, but if i keep at it i'll be pulling 315 for 6-8 with 2-3 months me thinks
how much you dead brother?
I won't pick on you, but.....245? Are you coming back from injury?
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I won't pick on you, but.....245? Are you coming back from injury?
no, i'm just pathetically weak on deads, but i can upright row 155 for 6 reps and barbell curl 115 for 5 strict reps ???
245 IS THAT BENT OVER ROWS ??
deadlifts lol
and btw, djego has stated that HE WILL HAVE legit 17 inch arms @ a bodyweight of 175 or less @ 5'11" come jan 31st ;D ;D ;D
"i love me, i love me so, i took myself to the picture show" LOL
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OK I SEE DEADS ,I DO BENT OVER ROWS 245 OR SO AND REPS 10 ,DEADS NO,I KNOW CHAOS IS A BEAST ON THEM,I NEVER GOT INTO THEM ,CHAOS IS GOING TO CALL ME A PUSSY ;D,,,I DO STIFF LEGGED FOR HAMS AND GET TO 275 ON THOSE .
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OK I SEE DEADS ,I DO BENT OVER ROWS 245 OR SO AND REPS 10 ,DEADS NO,I KNOW CHAOS IS A BEAST ON THEM,I NEVER GOT INTO THEM ,CHAOS IS GOING TO CALL ME A PUSSY ;D,,,I DO STIFF LEGGED FOR HAMS AND GET TO 275 ON THOSE .
i do my deads in the crossfit area where they use the rubber bumper plates and the max weight i can fit on the bar in that case is 200 kg, which is about 440 pounds, yeah it helps me not to think about trying to lift too much on them as i don't want that thick and wideass waist ;D
and it's true that i like doing them there coz it looks like i'm lifting a whole lot of weight, not to mention the nice and sexy girls training near by 8)
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OK I SEE DEADS ,I DO BENT OVER ROWS 245 OR SO AND REPS 10 ,DEADS NO,I KNOW CHAOS IS A BEAST ON THEM,I NEVER GOT INTO THEM ,CHAOS IS GOING TO CALL ME A PUSSY ;D,,,I DO STIFF LEGGED FOR HAMS AND GET TO 275 ON THOSE .
Squatting over 400 for reps, stiff legging 275 for reps...but you won't deadlift? :-\
I'm deadlifting today, had a chubby since I woke up. :P
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Squatting over 400 for reps, stiff legging 275 for reps...but you won't deadlift? :-\
I'm deadlifting today, had a chubby since I woke up. :P
YOUR RIGHT,,CAN'T ARGUE THERE,I DO ALL THE BASICS AND THEN SOME ,DEADS ARE INTENSE AND LOT OF GUYS AT THE GYM DO THEM,LUCKILY I BUILT A STRONG/THICK BACK AND LEGS WITHOUT THEM,BUT THEY DO ASSIST IN ALL THOSE LIFTS ,NEED TO GET OFF MY ASS AND START .
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YOUR RIGHT,,CAN'T ARGUE THERE,I DO ALL THE BASICS AND THEN SOME ,DEADS ARE INTENSE AND LOT OF GUYS AT THE GYM DO THEM,LUCKILY I BUILT A STRONG/THICK BACK AND LEGS WITHOUT THEM,BUT THEY DO ASSIST IN ALL THOSE LIFTS ,NEED TO GET OFF MY ASS AND START .
what's your bodyweight and how tall are you?
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Squatting over 400 for reps, stiff legging 275 for reps...but you won't deadlift? :-\
I'm deadlifting today, had a chubby since I woke up. :P
post a Video
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post a Video
How much?
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How much?
wanna see your lifts
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wanna see your lifts
I got some vids posted.
Where are yours?
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I got some vids posted.
Where are yours?
from These lifts ? where ?
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what's your bodyweight and how tall are you?
5'7/5'8 FLUCTUATE 185/190 OR SO..
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5'7/5'8 FLUCTUATE 185/190 OR SO..
and what do your arms measure ;D
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and what do your arms measure ;D
17"..
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Around 5'ft 3" and 340lbs 10 reps on the left arm then right arm 11 reps.
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Around 5'ft 3" and 340lbs 10 reps on the left arm then right arm 11 reps.
and with a tiny penis, right?
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and with a tiny penis, right?
I dont know about measurements.
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I dont know about measurements.
that's what she said
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that's what she said
;D
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OK I SEE DEADS ,I DO BENT OVER ROWS 245 OR SO AND REPS 10 ,DEADS NO,I KNOW CHAOS IS A BEAST ON THEM,I NEVER GOT INTO THEM ,CHAOS IS GOING TO CALL ME A PUSSY ;D,,,I DO STIFF LEGGED FOR HAMS AND GET TO 275 ON THOSE .
I don't do deads either...too taxing and the injury rate is high. I'd rather squat twice a week and do stiffs.
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those of you who arent deadlifting are missing out on their full size and strength potential.
not to mention u feel like a million bucks the following days after a session. :)
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those of you who arent deadlifting are missing out on their full size and strength potential.
not to mention u feel like a million bucks the following days after a session. :)
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yeah right
i deadlifted 5x200kg as natural and i didnt even look like i lifted
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yeah right
i deadlifted 5x200kg as natural and i didnt even look like i lifted
u must be doing something wrong.
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u must be doing something wrong.
what i was doing wrong is buying into all this hardcore training and dedication shit
and the truth is simply you need to use steroids
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what i was doing wrong is buying into all this hardcore training and dedication shit
and the truth is simply you need to use steroids
maybe to begin with, but u can maintain an impressive build without months even years after use.
u need deads to keep a thick base.
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yeah right
i deadlifted 5x200kg as natural and i didnt even look like i lifted
200 kg for 5 is damn good
what was your bodyweight then?
never understood guys who could lift bigger weights over time and not get bigger muscles ???
every single time that i've increased my training loads i got bigger muscles, every single fucking time :)
today is deads once again and i'll ride with 120 kg
last dead workout i used 110 kg, so this will be a 10 kg or 22 pound jump 8)
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200 kg for 5 is damn good
what was your bodyweight then?
never understood guys who could lift bigger weights over time and not get bigger muscles ???
every single time that i've increased my training loads i got bigger muscles, every single fucking time :)
today is deads once again and i'll ride with 120 kg
last dead workout i used 110 kg, so this will be a 10 kg or 22 pound jump 8)
in the end dj its this steroids>food>bigger weights>bigger muscles...only way to break genetic limitations and plateus and lots of the 1st 3..in the end everybody would 300 lbs if u grew evrytime u ate or increased loads,to put it in perspective and i've seen it first hand or read it u could have 5 guys on drugs and some /some less and say 5'6 as the height for all and you could have all in top or close to stage weight one could be 143 diced,170/108 light heavy and heavyweight 220 plus all same height but structure/ability to get big/muscle flow/shape/tendons for strenght changes for each guy even tho same height.'genetic limitations'drugs do a lot real lot in the end,its up to you how much u are willing to do.
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i can only speak for myself man, but this is the god's honest truth... i NEVER got bigger without increased training loads EVER
yep, gear allows one to lift bigger training loads, hence the reason why thier muscles get larger
recently my legs have grown a good amount, while my pecs are at a stand still, and guess what?
my hack squat weight has shot up from 75 kg for 4 reps to 105 kg for 5 reps, meanwhile my incline press weights are at a stand still ie. no increase in training load
all of this has occured while on the gear, so how's come my legs got larger and thicker but my pecs didn't increase in size? hmmm.... (p.s. it's not just the gear, coz if that was true my pecs would be bigger too)
and as far as eating and food intake is concerned... if i eat a surplus of cals ie. cals beyond need, i just get fatter (again, even while on the gear)
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Squatting over 400 for reps, stiff legging 275 for reps...but you won't deadlift? :-\
I'm deadlifting today, had a chubby since I woke up. :P
Terrible day, just terrible. :'(
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in the end dj its this steroids>food>bigger weights>bigger muscles...only way to break genetic limitations and plateus and lots of the 1st 3..in the end everybody would 300 lbs if u grew evrytime u ate or increased loads,to put it in perspective and i've seen it first hand or read it u could have 5 guys on drugs and some /some less and say 5'6 as the height for all and you could have all in top or close to stage weight one could be 143 diced,170/108 light heavy and heavyweight 220 plus all same height but structure/ability to get big/muscle flow/shape/tendons for strenght changes for each guy even tho same height.'genetic limitations'drugs do a lot real lot in the end,its up to you how much u are willing to do.
Great post Steve... :)
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i can only speak for myself man, but this is the god's honest truth... i NEVER got bigger without increased training loads EVER
yep, gear allows one to lift bigger training loads, hence the reason why thier muscles get larger
recently my legs have grown a good amount, while my pecs are at a stand still, and guess what?
my hack squat weight has shot up from 75 kg for 4 reps to 105 kg for 5 reps, meanwhile my incline press weights are at a stand still ie. no increase in training load
all of this has occured while on the gear, so how's come my legs got larger and thicker but my pecs didn't increase in size? hmmm.... (p.s. it's not just the gear, coz if that was true my pecs would be bigger too)
and as far as eating and food intake is concerned... if i eat a surplus of cals ie. cals beyond need, i just get fatter (again, even while on the gear)
Genes, take all the roids you want. Will you be Mr O.
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200 kg for 5 is damn good
what was your bodyweight then?
never understood guys who could lift bigger weights over time and not get bigger muscles ???
every single time that i've increased my training loads i got bigger muscles, every single fucking time :)
today is deads once again and i'll ride with 120 kg
last dead workout i used 110 kg, so this will be a 10 kg or 22 pound jump 8)
bw was always 84-85 at the height of my natural delusions
i think the reason you still don't understand the bolded is because you refuse to snap out of your brutal delusions on a lot of things
hormone levels dictate the maximal amount of muscle mass the body can develop and support.
let's leave genetics out of the picture for the sake of you cant change this factor anywayh
now ok you got the hormone levels that determine the potential for growth, now you gotta use stimulation and raw materials to make it happen, training and food obviously
if you train without steroids you will not build more muscle than your hormone level can support, you will just get "better" at "pushing harder"
you think that "progressive resistance" BULLSHIT they preach to delusional mcfatty mcbloaty natural bulksos means "progressive muscle strength potential increase"?
no it means they are progressively getting better at abusing their nervous system, joints, bones, tendons and the limited muscle mass they possess
in no way shape or form will the body magically be able to get big and ripped without roids in the body
in a way naturals are just getting worse and worse form in a way to push heavier and heavier weights, but realistically they arent improving their muscle size or overall strength capacity
just teach how to tap into the higher percentages of maximal muscle capacity, which is dangerous and requires extensive psyching up, long rest between sets etc etc
and these fools think they are accomplishing "gains" are just deluding themselves
i was like this, i know this
i say FUCK ALL YOU MORONS who preach this nonsense
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then how's come my wheels have gotten bigger while my chest hasn't?
i still train chest while on gear and it's the same damn size, but legs are bigger
chest weights=near zero increase
leg weights=damn big increase
Genes, take all the roids you want. Will you be Mr O.
who in the hell wants to be mr. blow ho? i sure as fuck don't
again.... 17 inch arms, 29 inch waist @ 6-7% that's it, finished game over ;)
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then how's come my wheels have gotten bigger while my chest hasn't?
i still train chest while on gear and it's the same damn size, but legs are bigger
chest weights=near zero increase
leg weights=damn big increase
who in the hell wants to be mr. blow ho? i sure as fuck don't
again.... 17 inch arms, 29 inch waist @ 6-7% that's it, finished game over ;)
17" arms aint shit i think
i am living proof
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ok dj hear me out....i am on the same page here and will not sit here and bust balls ,your partly answered ur own progress ,on drugs chest is at stand still strenght and size and legs progressed,guess what you had 'no legs 'in terms of size period of course a load increase/mass increase would occur under any circumstances.you never fully trained your legs they better grow with what ur doing.your chest was a decent bodypart from ur younger days its not going away even it stays the same.you cannot reinvent the wheel ,,just train see where you go period,drug if u must.on a side note breakdown a typical'eating 'day everything i want to see ...
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17" arms aint shit i think
i am living proof
that's because you got big ass joints
guess what? my wrist measures 6 inches which is 15 cm AROUND THE THICKEST BIGGEST AND WIDEST PART
tiny joints FTMFW 8)
and to nj, here's my typical current "diet"
breakkie=cheese and coffee with milk and sugar
lunch=honey roasted peanuts and coke
snack=protien power in whole milk
din-din=chicken breast and chocolate ice cream
my old din-din was big mac, quarter pounder with cheese and 2 large fry and 2 cokes, but i switched it to the chicken breast and chocolate ice cream to cut cals a bit, since i was a fatass sitting @ 8-9%
here's something cool...
in my peak day with the outstanding chest i weighed all of 154 with 14 1/3 arms, now i'm sittin @ 167 with 16 1/4 inch arms so that 2 inches on each arm and only a gain in bodywieght of less than 15 pounds 8) 8) 8)
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that's because you got big ass joints
guess what? my wrist measures 6 inches which is 15 cm AROUND THE THICKEST BIGGEST AND WIDEST PART
tiny joints FTMFW 8)
and to nj, here's my typical current "diet"
breakkie=cheese and coffee with milk and sugar
lunch=honey roasted peanuts and coke
snack=protien power in whole milk
din-din=chicken breast and chocolate ice cream
my old din-din was big mac, quarter pounder with cheese and 2 large fry and 2 cokes, but i switched it to the chicken breast and chocolate ice cream to cut cals a bit, since i was a fatass sitting @ 8-9%
here's something cool...
in my peak day with the outstanding chest i weighed all of 154 with 14 1/3 arms, now i'm sittin @ 167 with 16 1/4 inch arms so that 2 inches on each arm and only a gain in bodywieght of less than 15 pounds 8) 8) 8)
ok thanks,we def do differ in the eating dept..
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Ice cream just keeps cavity rolling.
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then how's come my wheels have gotten bigger while my chest hasn't?
i still train chest while on gear and it's the same damn size, but legs are bigger
chest weights=near zero increase
leg weights=damn big increase
who in the hell wants to be mr. blow ho? i sure as fuck don't
again.... 17 inch arms, 29 inch waist @ 6-7% that's it, finished game over ;)
THE ANSWER IS VERY OBVIOUS AND IN FRONT OF YOU BUT YOU DONT SEE IT
the thighs have a much greater potential for growth than arms/chest etc, natural and roided
desperate naturals therefor max out their leg growth and look like a scarecrow with bloofy legs and end up discombobulated about the whole thing and then come up with garbage theories like your own
a smart bodybuilder will not max out his thigh growth potential but keep them in proportion with arms
THE SEVENTIES GUYS KNEW THIS AND DIDNT BLOW UP THEIR LEGS
"good" example is big down hil with shit arms and big thighs
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no shit dude, fuck them godzilla thighs
i'm a man of ideal proportions, everything matches very nicely ;)
nowadays my thighs match my arms and torso 8)
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no shit dude, fuck them godzilla thighs
i'm a man of ideal proportions, everything matches very nicely ;)
nowadays my thighs match my arms and torso 8)
So are you saying that you are not tough enough to train thighs? Damn anyone can train chest and shoulders it takes a real man to train thighs. Lakers.
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So are you saying that you are not tough enough to train thighs? Damn anyone can train chest and shoulders it takes a real man to train thighs. Lakers.
what about back :D
like i said before, i'll have my dead up to 3 plus bills for 6-10 good reps within 3 months or so
and that will be a damn, damn good pull for a fella weighing about a buck 70 with 17 inch arms ;D ;D ;D
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no shit dude, fuck them godzilla thighs
i'm a man of ideal proportions, everything matches very nicely ;)
nowadays my thighs match my arms and torso 8)
so why then do you still not understand these things i was replying to that you didnt understand
fuck
it's like i'm talking to a robot sometimes
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i can only speak for myself man, but this is the god's honest truth... i NEVER got bigger without increased training loads EVER
yep, gear allows one to lift bigger training loads, hence the reason why thier muscles get larger
recently my legs have grown a good amount, while my pecs are at a stand still, and guess what?
my hack squat weight has shot up from 75 kg for 4 reps to 105 kg for 5 reps, meanwhile my incline press weights are at a stand still ie. no increase in training load
all of this has occured while on the gear, so how's come my legs got larger and thicker but my pecs didn't increase in size? hmmm.... (p.s. it's not just the gear, coz if that was true my pecs would be bigger too)
and as far as eating and food intake is concerned... if i eat a surplus of cals ie. cals beyond need, i just get fatter (again, even while on the gear)
so true, especially off drugs without going heavy most people will fade away. geared is diff, push ups and chins will give results.
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he only got bigger legs because legs have disproportionate potential to the upper body's
fucking broken record shit, all naturals are the same
they cant think outside the box of delusions
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he only got bigger legs because legs have disproportionate potential to the upper body's
fucking broken record shit, all naturals are the same
they cant think outside the box of delusions
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powerlifting delusionites should stay out of high level bodybuilding debates
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so true, especially off drugs without going heavy most people will fade away. geared is diff, push ups and chins will give results.
i think it's the same while on drugs as well
Mentzer talked about how he and Ray did some high rep lighter weight stuff and when they did so they go smaller, and they were on the roids when they did this high rep lighter weight training
hey analblow, your arms are bigger right? so has your curl and tricep training weights increased :D :D :D
also, can you explain to me how i added near 2 full inches to each arm while my torso stayed about the same size?
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i think it's the same while on drugs as well
Mentzer talked about how he and Ray did some high rep lighter weight stuff and when they did so they go smaller, and they were on the roids when they did this high rep lighter weight training
hey analblow, your arms are bigger right? so has your curl and tricep training weights increased :D :D :D
also, can you explain to me how i added near 2 full inches to each arm while my torso stayed about the same size?
I have not seen this.
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i think it's the same while on drugs as well
Mentzer talked about how he and Ray did some high rep lighter weight stuff and when they did so they go smaller, and they were on the roids when they did this high rep lighter weight training
hey analblow, your arms are bigger right? so has your curl and tricep training weights increased :D :D :D
also, can you explain to me how i added near 2 full inches to each arm while my torso stayed about the same size?
absolutely. drugs will gives results with minimum stimulation but heavier= more results without question.
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I have not seen this.
it's somewhere here on the netz, i'll see if i can find it
in his 1st heavy duty courses he talks about hitting 6 reps or so til failure (which is good advices IMO)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/33063613/Mike-Mentzer-s-Heavy-Duty-Training
later on he came up with this slow cadance horseshit of 4 sec up 4 sec down for up to 10 reps (who the hell really does thier reps so damn slow ??? a controlled negative is good, and in fact i do this on deads and most other lifts, but a slow postitive ??? fuck that noise)
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what about back :D
like i said before, i'll have my dead up to 3 plus bills for 6-10 good reps within 3 months or so
and that will be a damn, damn good pull for a fella weighing about a buck 70 with 17 inch arms ;D ;D ;D
No.
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at 18 years old i pulled 180kg x 3 reps very easily (as in a "clean pull)
lol @ thinking 140kg for a few reps is impressive
i did like 130kg in my basement at 16 with flex magazine posters on the wall
believe it or not, my point is that deadlifts dont make you big, that's all
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lol @ you dudes taking everything i say seriously
here's some fellas improvements training just once a week with the Mike Mentzer Consolidation Routine, pretty impressive, no?
May 10, 2005
Squats: 225 x 7
Deadlifts: 210 x 6
Dips: 165 x 9
Pulldowns: 165 x 7
July 29, 2005
Squats: 405 x 10
Deadlifts: 315 x 8
Dips: 260 x 6
Pulldowns: 255 x 6
http://imbodybuilding.com/articles/mike-and-ray-mentzer/?p=3
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at 18 years old i pulled 180kg x 3 reps very easily (as in a "clean pull)
lol @ thinking 140kg for a few reps is impressive
i did like 130kg in my basement at 16 with flex magazine posters on the wall
believe it or not, my point is that deadlifts dont make you big, that's all
No wonder your old lady took the kid and left, you're a dumbass. Lol.
Deadlifts are king for adding mass.
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just pulled 120 kg for 6, next workout i'll try 130 kg
my goal reps is 5-8
where you at analblow :D
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dj prepping for the arnold strongman
you have my support friend
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;D
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just pulled 120 kg for 6, next workout i'll try 130 kg
my goal reps is 5-8
where you at analblow :D
Weak as hell.
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Weak as hell.
"b-but not b-bad for a shredded guy with 6" wrist and weight a buck 70...r-right?"
;D
the good thing is dj it doesnt matter
going from 100kg deadlift to 200kg will make ZERO difference in physique, it may widen the obliques tho
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;D ;D ;D
i'll be honest here ie. no trolling
i am kinda scared of ruining my lines from heavy leg and back training :-\
anyways, i did hack squats today as well, and they went from 105 kg for 5 reps to 125 kg for 5 reps so that's a 20 kg increase after only 5 days ;)
where you at analblow?
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;D ;D ;D
i'll be honest here ie. no trolling
i am kinda scared of ruining my lines from heavy leg and back training :-\
anyways, i did hack squats today as well, and they went from 105 kg for 5 reps to 125 kg for 5 reps so that's a 20 kg increase after only 5 days ;)
where you at analblow?
Its structure a fat ass wide will always be.
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for legs just pump out sets of 10-15 reps with 100kg squats all the way down, no locking out or resting at the top
take very short breaks between sets and the weight will prove punishing by the 5th set or so
heavy weights are not needed imho for a decent everyday physique
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Its structure a fat ass wide will always be.
yeah i guess so, but if i do end up developing too big of legs i can just cut down the weight used on them and then they will shrink back down in size
i remember mentioning this to Mentzer when i had phone consultations with him back in 2000 and he said something like "don't worry about that, Sergio squatted with well over 400 pounds and you could fit his ass in a tea cup" ;D
(http://www.bodybuilding.dk/images/articleManager/sergio11.jpg)