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Greg Kovacs Talks About His Experiences with Nasser El Sonbaty!
Greg Kovacs Talks About His Experiences with Nasser El Sonbaty!
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The Kovacian: My Experience with Nasser El Sonbaty!
From RX MUSCLE
The Kovacian: My Experience with Nasser El Sonbaty!
Written by Greg Kovacs
Wednesday, 30 March 2011 00:07
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Since everyone keeps asking me to talk about Nasser El Sonbaty. . .about how we met and became, what I thought at the time, good friends. . . for this week's column, I will tell the full story so you can understand how surprised I was when I read about all the horrific lies he told about my wife and me in his interview on bodybuilding.com. To this day I don't understand why he focused on bashing me for no apparent reason, especially after how hospitable and kind my wife and I were to him when he came to Toronto in the winter of 1995.
My first interaction with Nasser was through the telephone a few months before he came to Canada. My good friend and Jason Mathis knew I was a huge fan of Nasser and he happened to interact with him from time to time. I asked Jason the next time he talked to Nasser if he would ask him if he minded talking to me on the phone because I admired him and wanted to pick his brain about training and nutrition. To my surprise Nasser agreed and we spoke shortly after that. I was very impressed that Nasser would take the time to chat with me considering his status (at the time he was a top 3 Olympian) and the fact that he didn't even know me. I found this to be a nice gesture on his part.
He and I hit it off on the phone. After that, he researched me and found a few pictures in a magazine from a visit I made to Venice that previous summer. He told me I had great potential. He also gave me great advice and we talked several times after that. Ironically, Nasser told me that he was coming to Toronto to do an appearance at the Musclemag store that my friend Paul Gardiner (the future owner of Muscletech) managed. I was really excited to meet my hero and we made arrangements for me to pick him up at the airport the night before his appearance. Following the appearance, we planned to have him stay at my home for a few days because he was going to the U.S embassy in downtown Toronto to renew his visa for the States.
So I was excited that "my friend" was coming down and we were gonna train for a few days. I was stoked to have the opportunity to learn from one of the best. On the Friday he arrived, my wife and I came to pick him up and when he came through the security gates the first sign that something wasn't night right surfaced. He was acting a little distant and reserved and he peered oddly at me through his spectacles. I think he was a little shocked and intimidated at my size in person. I don't think he was prepared to feel small at his off-season 310 pounds, at the time. I was a little over 400 pounds so I guess that threw him off. By the time we checked him into his hotel, he seemed a little more comfortable and relaxed and the MuscleMag appearance was a lot of fun.
As I said, after the appearance was over, he stayed at our home which was about an hour's drive from Toronto. He had to be at the Embassy on Tuesday morning. I should point out that it was the dead of winter at the time and Nasser had been living in California so he was not accustomed to our Canadian winters. I think he complained about how cold it was at least 20 times a day and progressively more as each day passed. So when we set out to the Embassy on the Tuesday morning he was eager to get his visa so he could go back to Los Angeles the next day. However, we were all in for a big surprise when we got there.
When we arrived at the U.S. Embassy, there was a huge line. After waiting for almost 3 hours they told Nasser that there was a problem with his renewal and that he would have to take care of it before he could leave the country. So, basically, he was stranded in Canada until he sorted out these issues. To say he was angry was an understatement. If I recall, his glasses were steamed up and his face and cranium were a few different shades of red.
Nasser, Kovacs, and Kovac's Dad
After driving back to our home, we called his lawyer and started the process to get the issues resolved. It took 3 weeks before everything was sorted out. Now, I was a huge fan of Mr. El Sonbaty but a house guest is like a fish; it can get rotten fairly quickly. During this time, we had to drive back and forth to the U.S. Embassy every few days until the matter was sorted out. That's over a 2-hour round trip. There was always something else needed, or a form to fill out, or a fax the lawyer in California had to send. He stayed at our home, ate our food that my wife cooked for him, visited my parents on their farm a few times, and he ate there food. During that time, he never once offered a penny for gas for all the driving or for all the food he ate. He even used my gear. Yes ladies and gentlemen, both Nasser and I used anabolic steroids. Shocking; but true.
I often wonder what he would have done if my wife and I would not have taken him in and basically treated him like family and helped him out of his situation. Would he have stayed in a hotel and eaten at restaurants? Would his issues have been resolved as quickly without our help? Or would he have been trapped in Canada and deported back to Germany? His wife, at the time, was frantic and we had to console her regularly over the phone. What sort of a demented character is Nasser that he had the audacity to talk so terribly about people that went out of their way to help him out? He may have been a great bodybuilder but, as a man, he doesn't even know the definition of the word. And, to me, a man's character is so much more important than anything else. In the end, I actually feel sorry for the guy. After such an illustrious bodybuilding career, he's become nothing more than a bitter ex-competitor. He's lowered himself to angry broken down bodybuilder who criticizes the sport that made him a star.
Kovacs over and out!
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who? about who?
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Newcomers don't even know those names.
Nusser and Kovacs I mean.
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So this is a love story about a muslim and a queer?
No
It is ultimately a story about towels and a hose being used to wipe kovacs ass. Literally
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this thread is useless without the part that nasser said...
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i like these kind of gossipy stories. and who here didn't ever think nasser was a f'kin weirdo? it's just so obvious...
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I can't even imagine how ridicolous Kovacs must have looked in person at 400+ pds
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Classic. 8)
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repost from a few years ago. nothing new here.
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the date...what year??!!!
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Damn@!
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cliff notes please
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cliff notes please
It's quite straight-forward. Kovacs was a big Nasser fan and initially happy to have him hang around. According to Greg, Nasser bitched and whined a lot and became a shit houseguest, in spite of eating Greg's food, taking his AAS, etc. Years later, Nasser talked all kinds of shit about Kovacs, claiming he couldn't wipe his own ass without his wife wiping his but with a bunch of towels or something.
Nasser is well-known for laughing at others' misfortune. Milos, Greg and too many others have corroborated that for it to be complete fiction. There's also good reason to believe Mr. Googly-Eyes was prone to give other bodybuilders false advice, then laugh behind their back when they followed his suggestions.
That comes as no real surprise to me. You've got Alex23 here, who takes photos with Nasser all the time (ironically, while sitting down at a restaurant). Alex is also known as one of the biggest sock-puppet users at this site (that "stay positive" fucker is only too transparent). I wanted to like Alex but all of his bullshitting made me realize he's in with Nasser on how the whole online persona thing is a big, stupid joke. They think they're laughing their asses off at all of the oblivious people ... whilst not realizing folks smarter than they are can put those clumsily-assembled pieces together.
Stay positive, pumpkinheads! Nasser, unsung 10x Olympia-winner, shit back and all -- but when that fails, let's make fun of someone who was equally drugged-up but didn't make it in the "sport," because the El Sonbatys find that hilarious. Hahahahahahaha! ::)
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that's sad if true^^
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Kovacs and wife spent most of his bodybuilding years in a ketamine and ghb induced coma.
also, kovacs managed to get more abcesses than anyone i have ever known. its like he dipped his needles in dirt before every injection.
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Kovacs and wife spent most of his bodybuilding years in a ketamine and ghb induced coma.
also, kovacs managed to get more abcesses than anyone i have ever known. its like he dipped his needles in dirt before every injection.
I guess that lends truth to the rumors. Everyone here says he used to smash gallons of oils. I think in one of his training videos he mentioned something about a 4th deltoid head. :-\
I don't pin shoulders because of that. Even a small amount looks unnatural and gross. I always think of Kovacs when I see some gym douche with an infected shoulder.
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It's quite straight-forward. Kovacs was a big Nasser fan and initially happy to have him hang around. According to Greg, Nasser bitched and whined a lot and became a shit houseguest, in spite of eating Greg's food, taking his AAS, etc. Years later, Nasser talked all kinds of shit about Kovacs, claiming he couldn't wipe his own ass without his wife wiping his but with a bunch of towels or something.
Nasser is well-known for laughing at others' misfortune. Milos, Greg and too many others have corroborated that for it to be complete fiction. There's also good reason to believe Mr. Googly-Eyes was prone to give other bodybuilders false advice, then laugh behind their back when they followed his suggestions.
That comes as no real surprise to me. You've got Alex23 here, who takes photos with Nasser all the time (ironically, while sitting down at a restaurant). Alex is also known as one of the biggest sock-puppet users at this site (that "stay positive" fucker is only too transparent). I wanted to like Alex but all of his bullshitting made me realize he's in with Nasser on how the whole online persona thing is a big, stupid joke. They think they're laughing their asses off at all of the oblivious people ... whilst not realizing folks smarter than they are can put those clumsily-assembled pieces together.
Stay positive, pumpkinheads! Nasser, unsung 10x Olympia-winner, shit back and all -- but when that fails, let's make fun of someone who was equally drugged-up but didn't make it in the "sport," because the El Sonbatys find that hilarious. Hahahahahahaha! ::)
Alex23 sharing a getbig account with nasser =gh15
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So rxhustle's brand new article by "Kovacian" has us to believe that top10 Olympian, top2 Olympia finisher, one of best bodybuilders in history was "intimidated" by 400lbs fat slob who looked like shit and never achieved anything in his career? Apart from that this article says nothing except from the fact that Nasser ate his food and drove his car and never gave monster a penny for that. Wow, that's fucking BOLD. Holy shit, I don't like Nasser anymore!
Hahahahahaaha, CMON??
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Ha ha Bodybuilding is full of stories like this, im yet to meet one who isn't a broke free loading attention seeker, I enjoyed my time in the sport and have no regrets, but I do often think what the fark was I thinking. ;D
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Cool story. Thx for posting.
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Ha ha Bodybuilding is full of stories like this, im yet to meet one who isn't a broke free loading attention seeker, I enjoyed my time in the sport and have no regrets, but I do often think what the fark was I thinking. ;D
severe truth :D
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I guess that lends truth to the rumors. Everyone here says he used to smash gallons of oils. I think in one of his training videos he mentioned something about a 4th deltoid head. :-\
I don't pin shoulders because of that. Even a small amount looks unnatural and gross. I always think of Kovacs when I see some gym douche with an infected shoulder.
if you do it right it looks good. too many guys take the approach of one large volume shot in the middle of the delt...if you are doing it for site enhancement, you make the letter "T" - one in the bottom of the medial delt, one toward the top of the medial delt, one in the rear delt and one in the front delt (avoid the big vein obviously). This was popularized by Charles Glass
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man. Idk Nasser El Sonbaty was such a shitbag.
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I stopped reading after Kovacs said Nasser was his hero. What kind of grown man has a hero?
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I stopped reading after Kovacs said Nasser was his hero. What kind of grown man has a hero?
Nothing wrong with this unless the grown man's hero is a bodybuilder like Nasser.
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that's sad if true^^
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Not only true, Weider knew about Nasser's true character and had him under-scored as he did not want him winning the title....
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Call fucking rent control cause someone is raising the roof on the rates in your mind.
(http://img2.imagesbn.com/p/9780471746935_p0_v1_s260x420.jpg)
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You've just been COXED.
(http://i43.tower.com/images/mm117176393/gary-coxe-live-going-beyond-positive-thinking-dvd-cover-art.jpg)
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You've just been COXED.
(http://i43.tower.com/images/mm117176393/gary-coxe-live-going-beyond-positive-thinking-dvd-cover-art.jpg)
;D ;D ;D
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fuckyou guys are nuts, ill rather look like fitness model.
this goes too far.
Few more years and you'll be there!
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fuckyou guys are nuts, ill rather look like fitness model.
this goes too far.
why does this go "too far?"
if you are already sticking needles in your body what does it matter?
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Nasser is a piece of shit!
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Pure drama.
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fuckyou guys are nuts, ill rather look like fitness model.
this goes too far.
I am with you on this. More is not always better. So often, you see folks who have lost all human proportions. Not only do they have body dysmorphic disorder, so do the people who believe they look good. I recently pulled up a photo of myself when I was in my twenties. I was slim in that photo, I remember that I wore 30" shrink to fit Levi's in those days and they fit without being too tight. I could probably get one leg in the top of a pair of jeans that size today. Obviously, it is time I did something about this. For breakfast today, I had orange juice and yogurt....it is a start.
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more aesthetic physique than nasser
(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg713/scaled.php?server=713&filename=thailand20080007.jpg&res=medium)
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more aesthetic physique than nasser
(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg713/scaled.php?server=713&filename=thailand20080007.jpg&res=medium)
plyolifter looks awesome. Very aesthetic fella.
I have close to the same conditioning right now with a bit more belly fat (unfortunately running no anabolics). I strive to look something like this once I clean up the diet and train consistently again. No need to get much bigger than that.
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plyolifter looks awesome. Very aesthetic fella.
I have close to the same conditioning right now with a bit more belly fat (unfortunately running no anabolics). I strive to look something like this once I clean up the diet and train consistently again. No need to get much bigger than that.
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Great overall look. What % do u think that is?
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Great overall look. What % do u think that is?
Not sure, I don't try guessing body fat percentages and measurements because it's arbitrary. The mother fucker looks great though. I'm leaner everywhere than him but the midsection. It's the only fucking place my body holds fat which is a mixed blessing.
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if you do it right it looks good. too many guys take the approach of one large volume shot in the middle of the delt...if you are doing it for site enhancement, you make the letter "T" - one in the bottom of the medial delt, one toward the top of the medial delt, one in the rear delt and one in the front delt (avoid the big vein obviously). This was popularized by Charles Glass
I would be extremely surprised if Charles Glass ever endorsed this nonsense!
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I would be extremely surprised if Charles Glass ever endorsed this nonsense!
WHAT ??? ??? you do realize Charles is a bodybuilder right and you do realize he worked with Flex, Cormier and the rest of the bunch right? Well don't be so naive bro.
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Not sure, I don't try guessing body fat percentages and measurements because it's arbitrary. The mother fucker looks great though. I'm leaner everywhere than him but the midsection. It's the only fucking place my body holds fat which is a mixed blessing.
Haha believe me man I know. I generally have decent vascularity in my chest, biceps and forearms but that damn midsection. >:( :-\
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Haha believe me man I know. I generally have decent vascularity in my chest, biceps and forearms but that damn midsection. >:( :-\
Shitty. Even if I get past 15% body fat, I still have arm, chest and forearm veins everywhere. It's really frustrating because everyone will say "wow, you look so good" but I'll have the stomach definition of a 12 year old untrained girl. :-\
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(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/c/c/cc8b4-greg_kovacs1.jpg)
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(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/c/c/cc8b4-greg_kovacs1.jpg)
:o
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I would be extremely surprised if Charles Glass ever endorsed this nonsense!
It was Flex Wheeler that did it, with escilene.
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It was Flex Wheeler that did it, with escilene.
You mean overdid it. He had rear delts from the front. :-X
Didn't he say something about getting hundreds of site injections and almost passing out?
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Supposedly, from what I read, Flex would even use just a needle to stick holes all over
his calves to build scar tissue. If true, that is highly idiotic.
Flex's calves were completely fucked up. His shoulders were fucked.
The claim that Synthol can be used in a way that enhances your physique is complete
fucking bullshit. Even relatively small quantities of just gear shot in the delt for example will
make the muscle look worse over time due to all the scar tissue. If possible I would put all my shots in the glutes. Every time you do an injection you are doing microscopic damage to the muscle, do it hundreds or thousands of times and it wont look that good.
Take a look at this shit.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=235506.0;attach=275411;image)
LOL
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/44/images/Flex_Wheeler_383.jpg)
Haha
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/44/images/Flex_Wheeler_122.jpg)
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Supposedly, from what I read, Flex would even use just a needle to stick holes all over
his calves to build scar tissue. If true, that is highly idiotic.
Flex's calves were completely fucked up. His shoulders were fucked.
The claim that Synthol can be used in a way that enhances your physique is complete
fucking bullshit. Even relatively small quantities of just gear shot in the delt for example will
make the muscle look worse over time due to all the scar tissue. If possible I would put all my shots in the glutes. Every time you do an injection you are doing microscopic damage to the muscle, do it hundreds or thousands of times and it wont look that good.
Take a look at this shit.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=235506.0;attach=275411;image)
LOL
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/44/images/Flex_Wheeler_383.jpg)
Lets not mince words. Are you saying that Flex is... delusional? ;D
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flex would stick needles full of gear, esiclene and MCT oil all over his body.
Pre contest would look something like
Delts = T shape, 4-5 shots per delt
Traps = 4-6 shots total, 2-3 on each side from top to bottom
Biceps = 4 shots total, 2 per head
Calves = 4-5 shots, basically hit from every single angle
Back = 2-3 per lat, top to bottom, about 2 in the rhomboids
nasser was worse. he would lie face down on his hotel room bed while his girlfriend/wife at the time would stick each muscle in his back with esiclene shots usually resulting in his body being covered in streaks of blood, oil and pro tan. ironically, the amount of pain he endured never really improved his back relative to his competition on stage.
Kev did the same. He was on another level, mentally. If there was one person who would push their body to death and not give a shit it was Kev. Honestly, i dont think anyone wouldve been surprised if he killed himself in the last few weeks of contest prep.
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flex would stick needles full of gear, esiclene and MCT oil all over his body.
Pre contest would look something like
Delts = T shape, 4-5 shots per delt
Traps = 4-6 shots total, 2-3 on each side from top to bottom
Biceps = 4 shots total, 2 per head
Calves = 4-5 shots, basically hit from every single angle
Back = 2-3 per lat, top to bottom, about 2 in the rhomboids
nasser was worse. he would lie face down on his hotel room bed while his girlfriend/wife at the time would stick each muscle in his back with esiclene shots usually resulting in his body being covered in streaks of blood, oil and pro tan. ironically, the amount of pain he endured never really improved his back relative to his competition on stage.
Kev did the same. He was on another level, mentally. If there was one person who would push their body to death and not give a shit it was Kev. Honestly, i dont think anyone wouldve been surprised if he killed himself in the last few weeks of contest prep.
Does Phil Heath use PMMA in your opinion?
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BFG= boring fucking gimmick
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flex would stick needles full of gear, esiclene and MCT oil all over his body.
Pre contest would look something like
Delts = T shape, 4-5 shots per delt
Traps = 4-6 shots total, 2-3 on each side from top to bottom
Biceps = 4 shots total, 2 per head
Calves = 4-5 shots, basically hit from every single angle
Back = 2-3 per lat, top to bottom, about 2 in the rhomboids
nasser was worse. he would lie face down on his hotel room bed while his girlfriend/wife at the time would stick each muscle in his back with esiclene shots usually resulting in his body being covered in streaks of blood, oil and pro tan. ironically, the amount of pain he endured never really improved his back relative to his competition on stage.
Kev did the same. He was on another level, mentally. If there was one person who would push their body to death and not give a shit it was Kev. Honestly, i dont think anyone wouldve been surprised if he killed himself in the last few weeks of contest prep.
Please tell us more. What about Kev locking himself in a room wearing fatigues, drinking JD and playing with army figurines? What truth is there to these crazy stories???
(http://memecrunch.com/meme/1RKD/please-sir-i-want-some-more/image.png)
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Supposedly, from what I read, Flex would even use just a needle to stick holes all over
his calves to build scar tissue. If true, that is highly idiotic.
Flex's calves were completely fucked up. His shoulders were fucked.
The claim that Synthol can be used in a way that enhances your physique is complete
fucking bullshit. Even relatively small quantities of just gear shot in the delt for example will
make the muscle look worse over time due to all the scar tissue. If possible I would put all my shots in the glutes. Every time you do an injection you are doing microscopic damage to the muscle, do it hundreds or thousands of times and it wont look that good.
Take a look at this shit.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=235506.0;attach=275411;image)
LOL
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/44/images/Flex_Wheeler_383.jpg)
Haha
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/44/images/Flex_Wheeler_122.jpg)
So agree with everything you said about synthol. I guess I'm not a pro bb so I dont have their mindset but as far as synthol why would I put something in me that's not building muscle or making me stronger? Obviously gains from juice are temporary too butat least they are building real muscle and letting me smash heavy weights in the gym. Who thinks big delts, that are loaded with oil to the point where the skin is stretched out and looking almost shiny, looks good? Levrone was about the only one to pull it off in shoulders but he used escliene (sp?). Ruhl, Nasser, Flex all their delts looked like SHIT! Contest shape but nary a striation to be seen in their delts. Look at Ronnie's most muscular, striation city. Flex's bdb, blobs for delts
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Does Phil Heath use PMMA in your opinion?
What's PMMA specifically?
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Contest shape buit nary a striation to be seen in their delts. Look at Ronnie's most muscular, striation city. Flex's bdb, blobs for delts
These are shoulder striations!
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EQEg9KnZJUM/Tba7B-lwYxI/AAAAAAAAHHQ/YFnnG2I_nfw/s1600/andreas%2Bmunzer%2B3.jpg)
(http://blog.europa-meister.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Andreas-Munzer.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/diablo86/Munzer/45.jpg)
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Exactly! Also notice the separation between the delts and arms, where the tris flare out. With the synthol guys, the delts just kind of meld into the arms and the delts are so big you dont see that tricep popping out
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BFG= boring fucking gimmick
How is he a gimmick if someone like me knows many ifbb pros and national competitors that do this, remember I practically live at these shows. I am on stage with thousands of competitors yearly but more importantly I am back stage with them and I have had many discussions with some big freaks. BFG was not the first I heard talk about GH IV, in fact I know a guy who was doing this in 07
These site injections are no secret, what he wrote is exactly how it goes down. I also happen to know someone who puts 100 injections 3-4 days out and we are talking national level here.
Everything BFG writes is 100% spot on so hes not a gimmick.
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"Charles Glass" oh brother
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What's PMMA specifically?
I THINK it's a combo of Polymethylmethacrylate and collagen. It's mostly used for "butt lifts".
Not approved for these indications in the US so they apparently go to Mexico to get it injected.
I haven't looked into this much at all.
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Does Phil Heath use PMMA in your opinion?
his arm size is not because of PMMA, its because of genetics. Does or he has used some PMMA now or in the past? maybe, it wouldnt be surprising but thats not why he has huge arms relative to everything else (thats genetics) nor why he doesnt come in as grainy as others (again, genetics).
everyone uses pretty much the same stuff, there arent any secrets or moral reservations to not use a certain substance at that level.
Heath was able to progress so rapidly because he has an awesome response to hormones and because Jay gave him access to his GH and gear hookup (read: practically free all you can inject gear and large quantities of reasonably priced pharm grade GH) and explained to him the protocols he used himself.
Jay knows his shit when it comes to the best way to use drugs. He learned at a very young age from Chris Aceto and ran with that knowledge. The #1 most important thing Jay explained to Heath that gave him the advantage out of the gates is that its all about peptides right now...then he provided him with the quantity of the peptides and the protocol to use them. He did this because he recognized Heath had insane genetics.
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It seems to be the new "Synthol" yes.
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his arm size is not because of PMMA, its because of genetics.
I know that. I'm asking since this seems like a new fad. Maybe this can be used in a way that doesn't distort the shape as much as oil, I have no idea? For example, Phil might have used this stuff in his delts, since width has been his problem.
I'm asking you, since you say you know what the top guys are doing specifically. You should have heard rumors about this stuff at the very least ... if the top guys are getting this done.
Jay knows his shit when it comes to the best way to use drugs. He learned at a very young age from Chris Aceto and ran with that knowledge.
Aceto claims he knows pretty much nothing about drugs and does NOT provide advice wrt to drugs. Said this on rxmuscle. What do you think? :D
I remember back in the early 90s, I read an interview with Aceto and Aceto said he didn't deal much with the drug part, and his usual advice was just to cut whatever the client was doing in half.
:D
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How is he a gimmick if someone like me knows many ifbb pros and national competitors that do this, remember I practically live at these shows. I am on stage with thousands of competitors yearly but more importantly I am back stage with them and I have had many discussions with some big freaks. BFG was not the first I heard talk about GH IV, in fact I know a guy who was doing this in 07
These site injections are no secret, what he wrote is exactly how it goes down. I also happen to know someone who puts 100 injections 3-4 days out and we are talking national level here.
Everything BFG writes is 100% spot on so hes not a gimmick.
He certainly doesnt push an agenda or talk about himself like he's someone important. If he is the real thing and that Mr. O competitor cycle he posted is real, then holy fuck. That's allot of gear! Thing is, I could totally see cetain guys taking that much. 500mgs of sust ED, ha!
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I know that. I'm asking since this seems like a new fad. Maybe this can be used in a way that doesn't distort the shape as much as oil, I have no idea? For example, Phil might have used this stuff in his delts, since width has been his problem.
I'm asking you, since you say you know what the top guys are doing specifically. You should have heard rumors about this stuff at the very least ... if the top guys are getting this done.
To my knowledge he didnt use PMMA in his delts. Hany takes a lot of credit for Phil's increased shoulder width, citing FST-7 as the catalyst for it. As I hope everyone is aware at this point, FST-7 involves large IM insulin doses in combination with high volume steroid oil injections into one specific cite repeatedly and then doing a ton of pump sets for it over a period of time to stretch the muscle fascia. I have heard of using a longer absorbing oil, (a la synthol just not the same brand) being injected very deep, almost under the muscle to cause it to "pop" out. this is done a lot with the medial delts.
PMMA in the top ranks is mostly used for shaping a muscle, not for size. a torn muscle or genetically odd shaped muscle thats causing loss of points in competition would receive PMMA.
Aceto claims he knows pretty much nothing about drugs and does NOT provide advice wrt to drugs. Said this on rxmuscle. What do you think? :D
I remember back in the early 90s, I read an interview with Aceto and Aceto said he didn't deal much with the drug part, and his usual advice was just to cut whatever the client was doing in half.
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lol. Aceto is a huge proponent of suspensions...i can tell you for a FACT that one protocol he encouraged was an amp of parabolan, an amp of test suspension and an amp of winstrol suspension morning, noon and night every single day.
by the way...when Jay was a broke kid, trying to become a bodybuilder with zero money to his pocket - Aceto took him in and trained him. What do you think Aceto wanted in return? hmmm
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flex would stick needles full of gear, esiclene and MCT oil all over his body.
Pre contest would look something like
Delts = T shape, 4-5 shots per delt
Traps = 4-6 shots total, 2-3 on each side from top to bottom
Biceps = 4 shots total, 2 per head
Calves = 4-5 shots, basically hit from every single angle
Back = 2-3 per lat, top to bottom, about 2 in the rhomboids
nasser was worse. he would lie face down on his hotel room bed while his girlfriend/wife at the time would stick each muscle in his back with esiclene shots usually resulting in his body being covered in streaks of blood, oil and pro tan. ironically, the amount of pain he endured never really improved his back relative to his competition on stage.
Kev did the same. He was on another level, mentally. If there was one person who would push their body to death and not give a shit it was Kev. Honestly, i dont think anyone wouldve been surprised if he killed himself in the last few weeks of contest prep.
not exactly
you have to quote right
he wrote he was bent over a chair..LOL
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As I hope everyone is aware at this point, FST-7 involves large IM insulin doses in combination with high volume steroid oil injections into one specific cite repeatedly
How come all Phil's friends vehemently deny that Phil EVER used ANY insulin? There were
tons of internet fights on professionalmuscle over this issue. Guys going crazy whenever anyone
suggested Phil used insulin, because they "had been at Phil's house when things were discussed". :D Kinda strange that they feel this strongly about this particular compound. ???
by the way...when Jay was a broke kid, trying to become a bodybuilder with zero money to his pocket - Aceto took him in and trained him. What do you think Aceto wanted in return? hmmm
Goddamn gays :D
Same shit keeps repeating itself, like with this O'Reagan guru and the latest phenom kid.
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To my knowledge he didnt use PMMA in his delts. Hany takes a lot of credit for Phil's increased shoulder width, citing FST-7 as the catalyst for it. As I hope everyone is aware at this point, FST-7 involves large IM insulin doses in combination with high volume steroid oil injections into one specific cite repeatedly and then doing a ton of pump sets for it over a period of time to stretch the muscle fascia. I have heard of using a longer absorbing oil, (a la synthol just not the same brand) being injected very deep, almost under the muscle to cause it to "pop" out. this is done a lot with the medial delts.
PMMA in the top ranks is mostly used for shaping a muscle, not for size. a torn muscle or genetically odd shaped muscle thats causing loss of points in competition would receive PMMA.
Aceto claims he knows pretty much nothing about drugs and does NOT provide advice wrt to drugs. Said this on rxmuscle. What do you think? :D
I remember back in the early 90s, I read an interview with Aceto and Aceto said he didn't deal much with the drug part, and his usual advice was just to cut whatever the client was doing in half.
:D
lol. Aceto is a huge proponent of suspensions...i can tell you for a FACT that one protocol he encouraged was an amp of parabolan, an amp of test suspension and an amp of winstrol suspension morning, noon and night every single day.
by the way...when Jay was a broke kid, trying to become a bodybuilder with zero money to his pocket - Aceto took him in and trained him. What do you think Aceto wanted in return? hmmm
all i can say is that aceto was in the BB scene very well known for his knowledge about nutrition pre and drugs at least since eraly 90s
his clients were many male an female pro BB (anyone belive he didn t know what his wife took, lolol, laura crevalle, multiple ms o finalist)
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How come all Phil's friends vehemently deny that Phil EVER used ANY insulin? There were
tons of internet fights on professionalmuscle over this issue. Guys going crazy whenever anyone
suggested Phil used insulin, because they "had been at Phil's house when things were discussed". :D Kinda strange that they feel this strongly about this particular compound. ???
Goddamn gays :D
Same shit keeps repeating itself, like with this O'Reagan guru and the latest phenom kid.
he uses insulin in large doses, it s written in his abs
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How come all Phil's friends vehemently deny that Phil EVER used ANY insulin? There were
tons of internet fights on professionalmuscle over this issue. Guys going crazy whenever anyone
suggested Phil used insulin, because they "had been at Phil's house when things were discussed". :D Kinda strange that they feel this strongly about this particular compound. ???
Goddamn gays :D
Same shit keeps repeating itself, like with this O'Reagan guru and the latest phenom kid.
jay was never a broken kid
thats BS, many g4p guys out there but not jay
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How come all Phil's friends vehemently deny that Phil EVER used ANY insulin? There were
tons of internet fights on professionalmuscle over this issue. Guys going crazy whenever anyone
suggested Phil used insulin, because they "had been at Phil's house when things were discussed". :D Kinda strange that they feel this strongly about this particular compound. ???
Goddamn gays :D
Same shit keeps repeating itself, like with this O'Reagan guru and the latest phenom kid.
Not a new phenomenon. In the past, many pro bodybuilders claimed they were all natural. Now, its pretty much obvious that there are steroids in the sport of bodybuilding (shocker) so to claim you have the best genetics but still sound realistic you deny using slin, or gh, or whatever.
Just my guess, I'm not inside the head of Phil or his friends. Its a funny denial, though, because a majority of his transformation from random competitor to pro came from peptides.
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jay was never a broken kid
thats BS, many g4p guys out there but not jay
So you think Jay paid for Christ Aceto's services as a teenager? And he paid for all the drugs too? With what money, exactly?
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How come all Phil's friends vehemently deny that Phil EVER used ANY insulin? There were
tons of internet fights on professionalmuscle over this issue. Guys going crazy whenever anyone
suggested Phil used insulin, because they "had been at Phil's house when things were discussed". :D Kinda strange that they feel this strongly about this particular compound. ???
Goddamn gays :D
Same shit keeps repeating itself, like with this O'Reagan guru and the latest phenom kid.
O'Reagan is probably one of the most fraudulent of all the "gurus". At least Aceto had the insight to schmoe with someone who would be a future Mr. O and he recognized that. O'Reagan just tells everyone to take 1-2 grams of test and then his "secret" is that he tells them to take 200mg anadrol, deca and tren all together. he cant even get pharm grade GH.
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So you think Jay paid for Christ Aceto's services as a teenager? And he paid for all the drugs too? With what money, exactly?
how the fuck would you know otherwise? Like you have any firsthand knowledge of what Jay Cutler did as a teenager.
another fucking gimmick..I've heard every single thing you have said in this thread before, you are just wording it differently and trying to sound like some sort of authority
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Jay knows his shit when it comes to the best way to use drugs. He learned at a very young age from Chris Aceto and ran with that knowledge. The #1 most important thing Jay explained to Heath that gave him the advantage out of the gates is that its all about peptides right now...then he provided him with the quantity of the peptides and the protocol to use them. He did this because he recognized Heath had insane genetics.
Not a new phenomenon. In the past, many pro bodybuilders claimed they were all natural. Now, its pretty much obvious that there are steroids in the sport of bodybuilding (shocker) so to claim you have the best genetics but still sound realistic you deny using slin, or gh, or whatever.
Just my guess, I'm not inside the head of Phil or his friends. Its a funny denial, though, because a majority of his transformation from random competitor to pro came from peptides.
hi PJ
so in a few months you'll have a "legit" source for the masses, some elves and your own message board
we know how this works
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this thread is useless without the part that nasser said...
X2.
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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how the fuck would you know otherwise? Like you have any firsthand knowledge of what Jay Cutler did as a teenager.
another fucking gimmick..I've heard every single thing you have said in this thread before, you are just wording it differently and trying to sound like some sort of authority
Groink!
Don't you dare ruin story time! >:( ;D
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So you think Jay paid for Christ Aceto's services as a teenager? And he paid for all the drugs too? With what money, exactly?
jay's family is rich?
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in fact jay only became aware of drugs at like age 24
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hi PJ
so in a few months you'll have a "legit" source for the masses, some elves and your own message board
we know how this works
Actually it is not pj, nice try and he already has a site, an enormous one
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Supposedly, from what I read, Flex would even use just a needle to stick holes all over
his calves to build scar tissue. If true, that is highly idiotic.
Flex's calves were completely fucked up. His shoulders were fucked.
The claim that Synthol can be used in a way that enhances your physique is complete
fucking bullshit. Even relatively small quantities of just gear shot in the delt for example will
make the muscle look worse over time due to all the scar tissue. If possible I would put all my shots in the glutes. Every time you do an injection you are doing microscopic damage to the muscle, do it hundreds or thousands of times and it wont look that good.
Take a look at this shit.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=235506.0;attach=275411;image)
LOL
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/44/images/Flex_Wheeler_383.jpg)
I heard somebody was talking about ridiculous calves created by site injections
Flex has nothing on ronnie
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=401772.0;attach=441234;image)
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jay's family is rich?
nope
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flex would stick needles full of gear, esiclene and MCT oil all over his body.
Pre contest would look something like
Delts = T shape, 4-5 shots per delt
Traps = 4-6 shots total, 2-3 on each side from top to bottom
Biceps = 4 shots total, 2 per head
Calves = 4-5 shots, basically hit from every single angle
Back = 2-3 per lat, top to bottom, about 2 in the rhomboids
nasser was worse. he would lie face down on his hotel room bed while his girlfriend/wife at the time would stick each muscle in his back with esiclene shots usually resulting in his body being covered in streaks of blood, oil and pro tan. ironically, the amount of pain he endured never really improved his back relative to his competition on stage.
Kev did the same. He was on another level, mentally. If there was one person who would push their body to death and not give a shit it was Kev. Honestly, i dont think anyone wouldve been surprised if he killed himself in the last few weeks of contest prep.
Flex has admitted to doing site injections esiciline synthol etc!
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So you think Jay paid for Christ Aceto's services as a teenager? And he paid for all the drugs too? With what money, exactly?
A husband and wife in Mass took Jay under their wing. He moved in with them and they gave him everything he needed. Food/Gear etc. Jay never worked a real job in his life. Has always been taking care of as some sort of "project". I believe Jay has mentioned this family name many times thanking them. Or course Jay likes to tell people he worked 2 jobs as a teenager ect. All bullshit. He was in the gym at 15 and by 18 he was juiced to the gills with the plan of being a pro builder under the wing of this family(Bruce V.) and then Aceto.
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dont mind the jealous attention seeking knucklehead keep this stuff coming bfg , good info and cool stories.
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A husband and wife in Mass took Jay under their wing. He moved in with them and they gave him everything he needed. Food/Gear etc. Jay never worked a real job in his life. Has always been taking care of as some sort of "project". I believe Jay has mentioned this family name many times thanking them. Or course Jay likes to tell people he worked 2 jobs as a teenager ect. All bullshit. He was in the gym at 15 and by 18 he was juiced to the gills with the plan of being a pro builder under the wing of this family(Bruce V.) and then Aceto.
lmao
and these guys will tell how they busted their ass to make money in seminars
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Actually it is not pj, nice try and he already has a site, an enormous one
::)
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ha ha ....no sleep for a day , no shower and no food.....and I bet i STILL look ten times better than you. ;)
Dude that's you? That sucks having your info all over the web
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ha ha ....no sleep for a day , no shower and no food.....and I bet i STILL look ten times better than you. ;)
Groink is that you in the photo? You look like you're ready to kill someone.
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Dude that's you? That sucks having your info all over the web
A person can't sneeze without the Hierarchy knowing about it anymore. And Big Brother is growing.
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I don't agree with plastering someone's face and info all over the web for what are really rather minor offences. Police departments shouldn't do that shit in my opinion.
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A person can't sneeze without the Hierarchy knowing about it anymore. And Big Brother is growing.
I Googled my name it comes up on obituaries and an ancestry site. Thank god that's it lol I like to keep a low profile lol
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I don't agree with plastering someone's face and info all over the web for what are really rather minor offences. Police departments shouldn't do that shit in my opinion.
Its only gonna get worse. The stuff their doing with facial recognition is going to blow peoples minds.
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I don't agree with plastering someone's face and info all over the web for what are really rather minor offences. Police departments shouldn't do that shit in my opinion.
actually in this case i think it is rather fitting since Groink's tagline is "If you're stupid....I'LL FIND YOU"
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I Googled my name it comes up on obituaries and an ancestry site. Thank god that's it lol I like to keep a low profile lol
Ya. But you should see what the FBI has on their files on all of us.
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I Googled my name it comes up on obituaries and an ancestry site. Thank god that's it lol I like to keep a low profile lol
I Googled my name and my Facebook page came up. That's it.
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I Googled my name and my Facebook page came up. That's it.
that's funny . when i googled your name i got this
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_F2NXqmiv5lI/S0-1uVSZ2GI/AAAAAAAAAAU/cHOvgsl0nQY/S220/100_0767.jpg)
and this
http://primemuscle.blogspot.co.uk/ (http://primemuscle.blogspot.co.uk/)
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yes, Ron grows uneasy as Groink's position atop getbig's hierarchy becomes firmer with every offence
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Groink
what a mess
of a life when
muscle is the
most important
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Greg Wolsky rocks, we can't look our best on mugshots, you all know that.
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that's funny . when i googled your name i got this
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_F2NXqmiv5lI/S0-1uVSZ2GI/AAAAAAAAAAU/cHOvgsl0nQY/S220/100_0767.jpg)
and this
http://primemuscle.blogspot.co.uk/ (http://primemuscle.blogspot.co.uk/)
Very good! Except Primemuscle isn't my name, it is a handle. It also isn't this fellow's name. His name is apparently Jeff. He does look fit though and that's always a plus. I think he is quite a bit younger than me.
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Maddy, holding the mess down like a boss ..
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that could also be from just gh injection spots
as for his arms, i seriously think theres nothing in them, hes just got freaky arms
no, look ath the abs of the late 80s early 90s guys
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So you think Jay paid for Christ Aceto's services as a teenager? And he paid for all the drugs too? With what money, exactly?
Maybe Aceto saw the potential in Jay and used him to help launch his career. It's not like Aceto was a big name back then. Someone here wrote that Heath's guru wasn't even paid by Heath but the by using his name and being behind the current Mr. O put him on the map.
Also, Jay got his pro card very early along with all the sponsorships and other money making opportunities.
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Groink
what a mess
of a life when
muscle is the
most important
Dude I like the guy. I'm surprised to see the big arrest like that though. That's not a minor thing at all. 48 years old getting in trouble like that is not where I would want to be. Damn sad day
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You've gone too far with this thread guys, all anibolichalo want's to know is if you inject steroids in your ass cheek will it make your ass hairier
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Dude I like the guy. I'm surprised to see the big arrest like that though. That's not a minor thing at all. 48 years old getting in trouble like that is not where I would want to be. Damn sad day
groink got arrested?
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Groink
what a mess
of a life when
muscle is the
most important
this is true my friend
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groink got arrested?
yes.
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groink got arrested?
I can't believe it either. For a ton of bad shit too. Drugs, driving with a suspended license etc..
I'm disappointed actually, cool dude. At 48 with a child, shouldn't be getting in trouble, has a lot at stake
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I can't believe it either. For a ton of bad shit too. Drugs, driving with a suspended license etc..
I'm disappointed actually, cool dude. At 48 with a child, shouldn't be getting in trouble, has a lot at stake
If this is a joke it's one of the poorest ever seen on GB.
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If this is a joke it's one of the poorest ever seen on GB.
Huh? These guys already posted it. It's all over the place. Mugshots and everything.
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Huh? These guys already posted it. It's all over the place. Mugshots and everything.
Must have missed this one. That's bad.
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info was here at some point
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I'd imagine he had it taken down. At this point Groink needs to stay off getbig and work on his life, being a dad, getting more jacked, etc...
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why does this go "too far?"
if you are already sticking needles in your body what does it matter?
because it's not muscle you're growing. you're only implanting oil.
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info was here at some point
repost?
Didn't Nasser also boink Karen?
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repost?
Didn't Nasser also boink Karen?
The info is out there but someone rapes the "report to moderator" button everytime it gets posted
:D
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The info is out there but someone rapes the "report to moderator" button everytime it gets posted
:D
probably karen...maybe groink will turn state's evidence on her to get out of his current scrape
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To my knowledge he didnt use PMMA in his delts. Hany takes a lot of credit for Phil's increased shoulder width, citing FST-7 as the catalyst for it. As I hope everyone is aware at this point, FST-7 involves large IM insulin doses in combination with high volume steroid oil injections into one specific cite repeatedly and then doing a ton of pump sets for it over a period of time to stretch the muscle fascia. I have heard of using a longer absorbing oil, (a la synthol just not the same brand) being injected very deep, almost under the muscle to cause it to "pop" out. this is done a lot with the medial delts.
there's no benefit to IM insulin over SQ. congratulations hany, you're a fat ass.
regarding the deep synthol injections, that's also what gh15 said about phil. if he's using seo it's certainly by a different protocol as from the surface none is visible.
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probably karen...maybe groink will turn state's evidence on her to get out of his current scrape
Yes Chadwick...Karen is number 1 is raping the "report to moderator" button, but Groink is a close 2nd once his jailtime info and pic is posted..
:D
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Yes Chadwick...Karen is number 1 is raping the "report to moderator" button, but Groink is a close 2nd once his jailtime info and pic is posted..
:D
actually they both lag far behind "jag/samson/24kt" in that dept
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Yes Chadwick...Karen is number 1 is raping the "report to moderator" button, but Groink is a close 2nd once his jailtime info and pic is posted..
:D
He looks pretty bad ass in his mug shot. I also believe he's wearing the same shirt in his mug shot as he wore in his horse picture. Must be his go to shirt. Looks large in it. Probably a pussy magnet shirt.
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He looks pretty bad ass in his mug shot. I also believe he's wearing the same shirt in his mug shot as he wore in his horse picture. Must be his go to shirt. Looks large in it. Probably a pussy magnet shirt.
oh brother
::)
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He will claim to have gotten arrested on purpose, just to own all the tiny tits down at the county lockup.
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He looks pretty bad ass in his mug shot. I also believe he's wearing the same shirt in his mug shot as he wore in his horse picture. Must be his go to shirt. Looks large in it. Probably a pussy magnet shirt.
Nobody looks bad ass in a mug shot man. Look like a loser
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repost?
Didn't Nasser also boink Karen?
Chad the beaver.....who the hell says "boink"? It sounds comical
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Yes Chadwick...Karen is number 1 is raping the "report to moderator" button, but Groink is a close 2nd once his jailtime info and pic is posted..
:D
Groink
is number
one
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Chad the beaver.....who the hell says "boink"? It sounds comical
not as comical as your pathetic life Karen Spackle
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so is the truth now still true after the untimely death of nasser
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Bodybuilders egoistic? Say it ain't so!!!! Hahahahah
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BFGs info is in a lot more detail than gh15s... leads me to believe he's much more active in today's bodybuilding but gh15 is still injecting loads of hgh.
Bfg what's your take on this
BFG - hgh injected iv. Gh15 injected subc
BFG - iv slin. Gh15 again subc
Bfg pharma hgh. Gh15 Chinese jigs (all Bb I know at high level take pharma)
Bfg hgh injected post workout. Gh15 surprise your body.
Differences are endless either gh15 is in a different era or league to BFG s guys.