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Title: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Borracho on February 24, 2013, 05:15:43 AM
Took a full week off from training recently.....few days into the rest period I began to wake up to stiffness in the lower groin region like I hadn't in a while. I think morning wood may be a sign of being fully recharged.

Thoughts?


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Henda on February 24, 2013, 05:19:50 AM
I cant remenber last time i had it :-\
dont know if its low test or lack of sleep/overtraining.


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Borracho on February 24, 2013, 05:27:02 AM
I cant remenber last time i had it :-\
dont know if its low test or lack of sleep/overtraining.

Even with testosterone injections I wasn't getting any till I took time off from the gym.


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Borracho on February 24, 2013, 05:28:38 AM
And my sleeping pattern stayed the same btw....only change was the rest period.


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: dj181 on February 24, 2013, 06:33:20 AM
And my sleeping pattern stayed the same btw....only change was the rest period.

that's interesting man

recently i've been sleeping much better, getting 8 or 9 hours of sleep each night (before i was only getting about 5 hours) and my training has really started to progress

and i do now train with a bit less volume ie. less failure sets per workout, but i still train nearly every goddamn day of the week

yep, i'm a very compulsive individual so it's nearly impossible for me to take days off



Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Borracho on February 24, 2013, 06:49:23 AM
that's interesting man

recently i've been sleeping much better, getting 8 or 9 hours of sleep each night (before i was only getting about 5 hours) and my training has really started to progress

and i do now train with a bit less volume ie. less failure sets per workout, but i still train nearly every goddamn day of the week

yep, i'm a very compulsive individual so it's nearly impossible for me to take days off



I was doing too much in the gym training almost everyday prior to the week off. Gonna cut the volume way down and focus on training a little heavier. But please, lets keep this discussion about erections  ;D


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Yev33 on February 24, 2013, 12:42:54 PM
I have actually read about this long time ago and experienced this myself. It's not really meant to work on a day by day basis though. If you have been waking up with morning wood everyday and one of the days you don't, it probably doesn't mean anything. But if you have been waking up with a boner most days of the week and then you go a week without it happening then it might be a sign of overtraining. At that point you would have to look back on your workouts and see how they have gone. If your workouts have been getting worse and worse over the course of that week, there is definetely an issue.

One day is not an indicator, it's more of a trend monitoring thing. Also I don't know how this works for the guys that use gear, because from what I understand certain drugs can reduce libido in general.
 


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Borracho on February 24, 2013, 01:30:05 PM
hm, overtraining is crtainly a factor or possibilty, but for me its like this, if i eat more shit food, i get brutal stiffies.

dont know why that is, but it is.


also, deca and tren, i wouldnt use them, they seem to cause limp dick.

I noticed the leaner I get the more it becomes a problem also but a simple cheat meal doesn't do it for me. The fatter I am it seems like my libido skyrockets. Makes sense cause in times of famine the last thing our bodies are concerned with is reproducing.

I have actually read about this long time ago and experienced this myself. It's not really meant to work on a day by day basis though. If you have been waking up with morning wood everyday and one of the days you don't, it probably doesn't mean anything. But if you have been waking up with a boner most days of the week and then you go a week without it happening then it might be a sign of overtraining. At that point you would have to look back on your workouts and see how they have gone. If your workouts have been getting worse and worse over the course of that week, there is definetely an issue.

One day is not an indicator, it's more of a trend monitoring thing. Also I don't know how this works for the guys that use gear, because from what I understand certain drugs can reduce libido in general.
 

Yeah this was going on for a while...only became apparent to me as they came back during my week off. There was other signs I was overtrained like being lethargic all day and random muscle aches during the day. Think I may be able to use this as another indicator from now on....


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: andreisdaman on February 24, 2013, 04:01:03 PM
Took a full week off from training recently.....few days into the rest period I began to wake up to stiffness in the lower groin region like I hadn't in a while. I think morning wood may be a sign of being fully recharged.

Thoughts?

I definitely agree......I always knew I was overtrained when I stopped getting morning wood and sometimes my heart would start racing at night while I was laying down......racing heart is a pure sign of being overtrained.....or too much ephedra


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Borracho on February 25, 2013, 05:24:02 AM
I was hoping for serious replies like all the ones above....which is why I didn't post this on the g&o board lol.


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: andreisdaman on February 25, 2013, 05:48:17 AM
I was hoping for serious replies like all the ones above....which is why I didn't post this on the g&o board lol.

How often were you training?


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Borracho on February 25, 2013, 05:49:52 AM
How often were you training?

6 days a week...high volume.

I had done it before no problem but it finally caught up to me.


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: dj181 on February 25, 2013, 04:04:50 PM
6 days a week...high volume.

I had done it before no problem but it finally caught up to me.

how high a volume is high volume? like how many work sets or failure sets (if you do them) do you do per workout


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: andreisdaman on February 25, 2013, 07:43:42 PM
6 days a week...high volume.

I had done it before no problem but it finally caught up to me.

that is a lot I must say.....I was like that too...would get into a zone and just train everyday and two days on sunday..LOL....now I see why you couldn't get wood...your body was exhausted


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Borracho on February 26, 2013, 05:49:31 AM
how high a volume is high volume? like how many work sets or failure sets (if you do them) do you do per workout

I was doing like 12-16 sets per large bp and 8-12 for smaller ones...I think every single one to failure lol for an 8 week period . I didn't have problems in doing so before though...

Back to lower volume now..focusing on training smarter.

that is a lot I must say.....I was like that too...would get into a zone and just train everyday and two days on sunday..LOL....now I see why you couldn't get wood...your body was exhausted


Being over eager is very counter productive isn't it...


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: dj181 on February 26, 2013, 05:56:57 AM
I was doing like 12-16 sets per large bp and 8-12 for smaller ones...I think every single one to failure lol for an 8 week period . I didn't have problems in doing so before though...

Back to lower volume now..focusing on training smarter.

Jesus fucking Christ dude! how the fuck did you make it through that ??? ??? ???

i can maybe, just maybe make it through 4 or 5 failure sets in one workout, and that's pushing it


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: andreisdaman on February 26, 2013, 06:00:40 AM
I was doing like 12-16 sets per large bp and 8-12 for smaller ones...I think every single one to failure lol for an 8 week period . I didn't have problems in doing so before though...

Back to lower volume now..focusing on training smarter.


Being over eager is very counter productive isn't it...

Jesus Christ dude........I admire your dedication....but you were definitely overtraining....wow....d oing that kind of workout everyday, you wouldn't be able to get it up with a crane


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Borracho on February 26, 2013, 06:21:09 AM
Jesus Christ dude........I admire your dedication....but you were definitely overtraining....wow....d oing that kind of workout everyday, you wouldn't be able to get it up with a crane

hahaha I just spat out my coffee.  ;D

Dj I'm gonna start training a little more like you but do me a favor man start eating a little more like me. I think we're at extremes where you think it's all about training and I've been stuck at all about nutrition for too long. We'll both see better results I guarantee it.


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: dj181 on February 26, 2013, 06:51:38 AM
hahaha I just spat out my coffee.  ;D

Dj I'm gonna start training a little more like you but do me a favor man start eating a little more like me. I think we're at extremes where you think it's all about training and I've been stuck at all about nutrition for too long. We'll both see better results I guarantee it.

alright man, i'll agree to do this, but i ain't gonna over-haul my whole "diet" but i will make a deal with you and replace one of these meals with a meal that you suggest (but i won't change my breakkie)

breakkie: musli ceral with milk and coffee with milk and sugar
lunch: 2 burritos and coca cola
din-din: 3 eggs and 6 strips of bacon and grapefruit juice and 2 chocolate chip muffins
late meal: lo-mien noodles and coca cola

and no this ain't easy for me to do, coz i'm stubborn as fuck and i don't like to be told what to do, but fuck it, i'll give it a shot

and speaking of my stubborness Mentzer himself called me The Wildhorse when i had phone consultations with him back in 2000 lol


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Borracho on February 26, 2013, 07:26:59 AM
alright man, i'll agree to do this, but i ain't gonna over-haul my whole "diet" but i will make a deal with you and replace one of these meals with a meal that you suggest (but i won't change my breakkie)

breakkie: musli ceral with milk and coffee with milk and sugar
lunch: 2 burritos and coca cola
din-din: 3 eggs and 6 strips of bacon and grapefruit juice and 2 chocolate chip muffins
late meal: lo-mien noodles and coca cola

and no this ain't easy for me to do, coz i'm stubborn as fuck and i don't like to be told what to do, but fuck it, i'll give it a shot

and speaking of my stubborness Mentzer himself called me The Wildhorse when i had phone consultations with him back in 2000 lol

I still get a good kick out of that diet....lol sorry man. My diet looks gross some days too..I got most of my carbs from ketchup yesterday lol

If money is a concern than flat out just get the cheapest protein source you can afford. If its protein powder than go with that but if its expensive where you live than maybe it'll be tuna, sardine, eggs...whatever. The best thing would be to have variety but at this point any extra source of protein will help.

Once you have your protein sources just make sure to eat it as often as you can before or after your meals. That would be the best way imo since you're missing out on a lot of protein and you don't really have to change anything else.



Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: dj181 on February 26, 2013, 07:41:23 AM
I still get a good kick out of that diet....lol sorry man. My diet looks gross some days too..I got most of my carbs from ketchup yesterday lol

If money is a concern than flat out just get the cheapest protein source you can afford. If its protein powder than go with that but if its expensive where you live than maybe it'll be tuna, sardine, eggs...whatever. The best thing would be to have variety but at this point any extra source of protein will help.

Once you have your protein sources just make sure to eat it as often as you can before or after your meals. That would be the best way imo since you're missing out on a lot of protein and you don't really have to change anything else.



so how much protein do you think that i really need?

honestly man, i was getting 200 grams of protein a few years back and it didn't do jack shit for me, and that's the honest truth

IN MY EXPERIENCE, it's the training that TRUMPS EVERYTHING

for example, if my training loads go up then the muscles that are worked in that exercise get bigger, EVERY SINGLE TIME (just recently my training loads on rows and push-ups have gone up, and guess what? my torso is a bit bigger ;))

again man, this is just my honest experiences so i can only speak for myself


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Mr Nobody on February 26, 2013, 07:50:09 AM
so how much protein do you think that i really need?

honestly man, i was getting 200 grams of protein a few years back and it didn't do jack shit for me, and that's the honest truth

IN MY EXPERIENCE, it's the training that TRUMPS EVERYTHING

for example, if my training loads go up then the muscles that are worked in that exercise get bigger, EVERY SINGLE TIME (just recently my training loads on rows and push-ups have gone up, and guess what? my torso is a bit bigger ;))

again man, this is just my honest experiences so i can only speak for myself
dj181 is right protein = overated much over 1 gram for bodyweight is pissed out which means money pissed out.


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Donny on February 26, 2013, 08:02:24 AM
well keep it simple :
eat from the 5 main food groups.
Vegatables
Fruits
Milk and Dairy (cheese i love)
Meat and Beans (fish,eggs poultry)


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: dj181 on February 26, 2013, 08:12:08 AM
well keep it simple :
eat from the 5 main food groups.
Vegatables
Fruits
Milk and Dairy (cheese i love)
Meat and Beans (fish,eggs poultry)

this may be true for general health purposes but for looking good it's not required

by the way, did you hear about the PhD fella in nutrition that did a self study on so-called "healthy diets"?

basically he ate garbage and still improved his blood work and health profiles ie. his blood sugar rating got better and his cholesterol levels got better etc

all he did was eat very low cals, but he got the majority of his cals from "junk" ie. potato chips, chocolates and candies etc

there's a thread somewhere on here about it


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Borracho on February 26, 2013, 08:17:34 AM
so how much protein do you think that i really need?

honestly man, i was getting 200 grams of protein a few years back and it didn't do jack shit for me, and that's the honest truth

IN MY EXPERIENCE, it's the training that TRUMPS EVERYTHING

for example, if my training loads go up then the muscles that are worked in that exercise get bigger, EVERY SINGLE TIME (just recently my training loads on rows and push-ups have gone up, and guess what? my torso is a bit bigger ;))

again man, this is just my honest experiences so i can only speak for myself

I'd say at least 1 gram per lb...as a minimun. You probably tried 200grams back when you were natural...try it now. And use something else instead of superdrol...it should only be used for short periods.


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: dj181 on February 26, 2013, 08:23:24 AM
I'd say at least 1 gram per lb...as a minimun. You probably tried 200grams back when you were natural...try it now. And use something else instead of superdrol...it should only be used for short periods.


yep, you're right, i did it when i was a natty

so what would you recommend besides sdrol?

p.s. i ain't ever gonna inject myself EVER so it's got to be some other oral, maybe tbol?


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Borracho on February 26, 2013, 08:26:46 AM
yep, you're right, i did it when i was a natty

so what would you recommend besides sdrol?

p.s. i ain't ever gonna inject myself EVER so it's got to be some other oral, maybe tbol?

I'm gonna fly over there and pin you right now....



Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: dj181 on February 26, 2013, 08:29:47 AM
I'm gonna fly over there and pin you right now....



lol


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Borracho on February 26, 2013, 08:32:54 AM
But seriously you have to get over that fear cause testosterone is natural and its much safer than oral steroids. By simply not willing to inject you're really causing your body more harm than good.


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Donny on February 26, 2013, 08:35:47 AM
this may be true for general health purposes but for looking good it's not required

by the way, did you hear about the PhD fella in nutrition that did a self study on so-called "healthy diets"?

basically he ate garbage and still improved his blood work and health profiles ie. his blood sugar rating got better and his cholesterol levels got better etc

all he did was eat very low cals, but he got the majority of his cals from "junk" ie. potato chips, chocolates and candies etc

there's a thread somewhere on here about it
there gives exceptions to the rules but you seem to think you are in everything the golden boy.. in training and nutrition..  ???


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Donny on February 26, 2013, 08:47:51 AM
oh and by the way i forgot in my 5 main food groups..fats and oils are important.


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: dj181 on February 26, 2013, 10:21:22 AM
there gives exceptions to the rules but you seem to think you are in everything the golden boy.. in training and nutrition..  ???

wrong

those aren't necessarily my beliefs or opinions on the subject, i'm just providing alternate points of view that's all, so don't try and pin these thoughts on me

also i've NEVER claimed to be an expert on such things, all i've done is just give honest accounts of what did and what didn't work for me


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Donny on February 26, 2013, 10:26:06 AM
 ok what ever.


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Mr Nobody on February 26, 2013, 11:11:44 AM
well keep it simple :
eat from the 5 main food groups.
Vegatables
Fruits
Milk and Dairy (cheese i love)
Meat and Beans (fish,eggs poultry)
Exactly.


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Yev33 on February 26, 2013, 09:49:41 PM
depends, natty who doesnt diet can and should eat like normal person more or less.

on gear and diet, you need lots of protein.

i mean, feel free to try it, eat 20gramms protein a day and the rest all carbs or whatever and see whaere you get.



I may disagree with you at times about training  but you certainly know how to get and stay lean.


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Donny on February 27, 2013, 03:00:32 AM
I may disagree with you at times about training  but you certainly know how to get and stay lean.
yeah Galeniko is a good Bro .. one of the characters on here. I like people who have their own style.. hell i even like dj. comes over a bit vain at times but is ok. me.. i am direct and straight to the point but that´s my way.


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Borracho on February 27, 2013, 05:44:44 AM
yeah Galeniko is a good Bro .. one of the characters on here. I like people who have their own style.. hell i even like dj. comes over a bit vain at times but is ok. me.. i am direct and straight to the point but that´s my way.

I think I can learn something from all of you guys.... I like to keep an open mind.....I think dj may finally be coming around.


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: dj181 on February 27, 2013, 05:53:01 AM
I think I can learn something from all of you guys.... I like to keep an open mind.....I think dj may finally be coming around.

you mean The Wildhorse is gonna get bit and bridled ;D

hell man! even my girlfriend can't do that, well maybe she can from time to time ;)

so did you get down your amount of work/failure sets?


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Borracho on February 27, 2013, 05:55:33 AM
you mean The Wildhorse is gonna get bit and bridled ;D

hell man! even my girlfriend can't do that, well maybe she can from time to time ;)

so did you get down your amount of work/failure sets?

Oh way down ...also training 1on 1 off at the most.

Training chest today..any suggestions?


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: dj181 on February 27, 2013, 06:48:05 AM
Oh way down ...also training 1on 1 off at the most.

Training chest today..any suggestions?

my chest is my best bodypart and i built it from only doing 2 exercises

1. bench press with a barbell or dumbells

2. bench to neck with a barbell high reps til failure ie. sets of 15-25 reps

but if you want a bigger chest the KEY is to increase your chest training loads

recently i've been getting best results doing only 2 set til failure PER BODYPART, i was trying up to 4 or even 6 sets but it wasn't working, when i dropped down to 2 then my loads increased and i got bigger pecs

right now all i do for chest is 1 or 2 sets til failure of weighted push-ups, basically a bench press

i'm still pretty weak at it, coz last workout i only got 7 reps til failure with 100 extra pounds strapped onto me

my goal is 8-10 good reps til failure with 150-170 pounds strapped onto me


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Borracho on February 27, 2013, 07:07:34 AM
Think the key for me is gonna be to cut the volume way way down and only go to failure no more than a couple times if that. Gonna focus on getting stronger instead on the few exercises I'll be doing...more rest..adequate food. Pretty much try everything I can to keep growing naturally on 500mg of test.  ;D

But hey, gonna give that bench to neck with high reps to failure a go cause my upper portion could really use it. Tried it before but with lower repetitions and my shoulder started acting up. Shoulder is 100% gtg now after time off with pressing movements and some physio...hope to keep it that way.

Do you get someone to place plates on top of you for push ups btw or do you have some sort of contraption for that?


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: dj181 on February 27, 2013, 07:17:32 AM
i got a backpack that i load up with plates, right now i load it up with 4 10 kg plates and 1 5 kilo plate

max weight i can load into it is 6 10 kg plates and 3 5 kg plates which equals 75 kg which is 165 pounds

i put it on my front and then put my feet up on my bed and one hand on one chair and the other hand on another chair

these push-ups are even harder that normal push-ups coz you can go even deeper 8)

how much can ya bench ;D


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Borracho on February 27, 2013, 07:22:44 AM
dj are you under house arrest?


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: dj181 on February 27, 2013, 07:28:32 AM
dj are you under house arrest?

 ;D ;D ;D

well man, if there could be a house arrest for dullness then yeah maybe i am ;)

so it's that usual for one to enjoy training at home?


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Donny on February 27, 2013, 07:49:03 AM
bench press to the neck is a bad exercise. It will not do anymore for you than incline DB or BB presses. It puts your shoulders in a very bad position, if you learned physiks at school then you will understand this. If i do incline DB presses and flyes my whole upper chest area hurts. Ok then comes the clever answers here with you can´t isolate a muscle..you can shift stress to another area with the angle of bench, body position, hand position. If you are sitting drinking a cup of tea..are your quads active?


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: andreisdaman on February 27, 2013, 07:57:57 AM
bench press to the neck is a bad exercise. It will not do anymore for you than incline DB or BB presses. It puts your shoulders in a very bad position, if you learned physichs at school then you will understand this. If i do incline DB presses and flyes my whole upper chest area hurts. Ok then comes the clever answers here with you can´t isolate a muscle..you can shift stress to another area with the angle of bench, body position, hand position. If you are sitting drinking a cup of tea..are your quads active?

This is true....Benching to the neck would totally destroy my shoulders...and I didn't get any discernable benefoit from it..Vince Gironda siad you should do this exercise and it feel good while youre doing it and gives you a good pump but you pay for it later...its a very stressful exercise that the body doesn't recover well from


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Donny on February 27, 2013, 08:01:42 AM
i can´t even fucking spell physiks...lol  .. it´s my German and it crosses over with English...sad but true... :-\


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Donny on February 27, 2013, 08:15:48 AM
as destructive as sissy squats... another Gironda favourit. he also told his students to lean back on the leg extension. This i understand and think he was correct on this and the sissy squat will not give you anymore benifit than leg extensions leaning back. the same muscles are worked and safer. Vince Gironda liked to use body angles to change the exercise, as i do myself. He called the leaning back leg extension, "the power thigh extension".


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Borracho on February 27, 2013, 08:23:58 AM
;D ;D ;D

well man, if there could be a house arrest for dullness then yeah maybe i am ;)

so it's that usual for one to enjoy training at home?

At times I wish I trained at home....sometimes just can't be bothered with people wanting to chit chat...unless if they have a nice set of breasts ofc.

bench press to the neck is a bad exercise. It will not do anymore for you than incline DB or BB presses. It puts your shoulders in a very bad position, if you learned physiks at school then you will understand this. If i do incline DB presses and flyes my whole upper chest area hurts. Ok then comes the clever answers here with you can´t isolate a muscle..you can shift stress to another area with the angle of bench, body position, hand position. If you are sitting drinking a cup of tea..are your quads active?

Do you think high reps like 15-20 may do more harm than good?


yes, borracho, try to alternate between high volume and heavy training maybe.

i did that, but only bc its impossible to train heavy every time every day ;D

as of now i train light every time.

the body sent me some warning messages in form of joint pains.



Yeah I've been the same way over the years just going by how I feel or by how much time I have. Haven't made a whole science out of my training like some guys keeping logs and what not. Couldn't be bothered and I always felt nutrition is what will determine results. But now I'm willing to sit down and keep a journal like a little school girl if it will really make a difference. I wanna add a little more size without having to take more juice. Its one of those things though...I don't wanna delude myself thinking the size will come if I just "try a little harder and be patient".


This is true....Benching to the neck would totally destroy my shoulders...and I didn't get any discernable benefoit from it..Vince Gironda siad you should do this exercise and it feel good while youre doing it and gives you a good pump but you pay for it later...its a very stressful exercise that the body doesn't recover well from

I can't do behind the neck presses or pull up/pull downs either. This exercise is not shoulder friendly that's for sure.


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Donny on February 27, 2013, 08:42:40 AM
another point i will adress is from Galeniko who wrote i only do leg curls for thighs. Gironda wrote:
Thigh curl(whole thigh)


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Donny on February 27, 2013, 08:44:04 AM
so you see there is some method in Galenikos madness... ;)


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Donny on February 27, 2013, 08:54:31 AM
therefore i think leaning back leg extensions and leg curls as described will train your thighs. In these aspects i agree with V Gironda. sissy squats however have no benefit other than stress for your knees.


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: dj181 on February 27, 2013, 09:23:18 AM
here's my recommendation to you borra

pick 2 chest exercises, any 2

and then do 1 failure set of each after 3 or 4 warm-up sets

and of course keep accurate records of the weight used and reps performed

and set your rep goal at 5-10 reps and once you get 10 or more reps til failure increase the weight used next workout

train your chest like this twice a week, or maybe once every 5 days

and if your increase your training loads you will have bigger pecs, i guarantee it


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Mr Nobody on February 27, 2013, 09:31:03 AM
here's my recommendation to you borra

pick 2 chest exercises, any 2

and then do 1 failure set of each after 3 or 4 warm-up sets

and of course keep accurate records of the weight used and reps performed

and set your rep goal at 5-10 reps and once you get 10 or more reps til failure increase the weight used next workout

train your chest like this twice a week, or maybe once every 5 days

and if your increase your training loads you will have bigger pecs, i guarantee it
Agreed except why would you need warmups on the second exercise? AJ rolling over in his grave.


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: jpm101 on February 27, 2013, 10:16:50 AM
Gotta love GB. From the advancing impotent problem (blamed on over training), to diet and now exercises performance.

Personal note; hate to see good exercise get a bad rap, just because a few are confused about their performance. That would include the Press Behind The Neck Press and Up-right Rows. If anyone one has trouble with any of these...than don't do them and please share your experiences with them and how they went wrong for you.

The bench to the neck/upper chest is a common exercise done by many men over the years, with good results. It's was never meant to be a heavy duty exercise. Even regular benches , preformed BB'ing style, were meant as a moderate weight exercise and higher reps. The elbow position (as in most exercises) is very important in doing to the neck/upper chest movements, as is a wider grip on the bar. The BB decline press to the neck/upper chest can be a effective upper pec builder also. Almost mocking he affect of doing dips. Suggest both versions in a serious pec building program. DB's also play a important part, keeping the DB's in line with the neck/upper chest..guided by the position of the elbows.

Some chest machines, as a Pec Deck and others chest machines, will require that the elbows be inline (and kept there) with the neck/upper chest. Benefit being, as with a BB/DB, a better full stretch of the upper chest.  Good Luck


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Donny on February 27, 2013, 10:24:37 AM
Gotta love GB. From the advancing impotent problem (blamed on over training), to diet and now exercises performance.

Personal note; hate to see good exercise get a bad rap, just because a few are confused about their performance. That would include the Press Behind The Neck Press and Up-right Rows. If anyone one has trouble with any of these...than don't do them and please share your experiences with them and how they went wrong for you.

The bench to the neck/upper chest is a common exercise done by many men over the years, with good results. It's was never meant to be a heavy duty exercise. Even regular benches , preformed BB'ing style, were meant as a moderate weight exercise and higher reps. The elbow position (as in most exercises) is very important in doing to the neck/upper chest movements, as is a wider grip on the bar. The BB decline press to the neck/upper chest can be a effective upper pec builder also. Almost mocking he affect of doing dips. Suggest both versions in a serious pec building program. DB's also play a important part, keeping the DB's in line with the neck/upper chest..guided by the position of the elbows.

Some chest machines, as a Pec Deck and others chest machines, will require that the elbows be inline (and kept there) with the neck/upper chest. Benefit being, as with a BB/DB, a better full stretch of the upper chest.  Good Luck
what are your Qualifactions ? please post them.. also i want to know which Uni you work at.


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Yev33 on February 27, 2013, 10:29:31 AM
Here is what I like to do.
First exercise for the training session, pyramid up using whatever rep range you are using up to your heaviest set in that rep range, and try to get stronger by adding reps or weight when you can.

Every exercise after that I use the traditional volume approach, same weight 3-4 sets 6-15 reps with the same weight. I still try to get stronger on these but not as aggressively as the first exercise.

Last leg workout:
Squats: 185×9, 235×9, 285×9, 335×6
Rear foot elevated split squats: 40lb db's x 8, 8, 8
Seated hamstring curls: 90 x 8, 7, 6, 6
Toe presses: 4 plates x 10, 9, 9
Leg raises: 4 sets bw only


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Donny on February 27, 2013, 10:38:45 AM
Here is what I like to do.
First exercise for the training session, pyramid up using whatever rep range you are using up to your heaviest set in that rep range, and try to get stronger by adding reps or weight when you can.

Every exercise after that I use the traditional volume approach, same weight 3-4 sets 6-15 reps with the same weight. I still try to get stronger on these but not as aggressively as the first exercise.

Last leg workout:
Squats: 185×9, 235×9, 285×9, 335×6
Rear foot elevated split squats: 40lb db's x 8, 8, 8
Seated hamstring curls: 90 x 8, 7, 6, 6
Toe presses: 4 plates x 10, 9, 9
Leg raises: 4 sets bw only
nice i like it


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: dj181 on February 27, 2013, 11:07:27 AM
Agreed except why would you need warmups on the second exercise? AJ rolling over in his grave.

shhhhh... don't speak too loud on maybe AJ's ghost will hear me and pistol whip my ass just like he did that bodybuilder who tried to sell his son narcotics back in the 70s lol

but you're right, 3 to 4 warm-ups on the second exercise wouldn't really be necessary, but i think that one or 2 "primer sets" would be useful to get the feel of the exercise and to get the muscles primed and ready for the 2nd new movement

so do you think that one could go to the second movement without any prep sets? i'm not talking in a pre-exhust fashion, i'm talking about doing one exercise and then resting and regrouping and then hitting the second exercise after being sufficiently recovered from the 1st exercise


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Borracho on February 27, 2013, 01:20:56 PM
here's my recommendation to you borra

pick 2 chest exercises, any 2

and then do 1 failure set of each after 3 or 4 warm-up sets

and of course keep accurate records of the weight used and reps performed

and set your rep goal at 5-10 reps and once you get 10 or more reps til failure increase the weight used next workout

train your chest like this twice a week, or maybe once every 5 days

and if your increase your training loads you will have bigger pecs, i guarantee it

Did incline bb and pec deck today...regretting the latter choice cause I don't think I'll be able to stack more weight on the machine. If I can't I'll choose another exercise.

How many muscle groups per day do you train?


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: dj181 on February 27, 2013, 01:38:04 PM
Did incline bb and pec deck today...regretting the latter choice cause I don't think I'll be able to stack more weight on the machine. If I can't I'll choose another exercise.

How many muscle groups per day do you train?

well man, i kinda just go "by feel" but i do follow certain guidelines which are as follows:

1. keep the rep range @ 5-10 reps

2. do 1 to 3 exercises per workout

3. do 1 or 2 failure sets per exercise (for 1 to 6 total failure sets per workout, but usually 2-4 failure sets per workout TOTAL)

at the moment i am only doing 5 exercises which are as follows: 1. db row 2. weighted push-up 3. wide stance box squats with a heavy db held in my hands 4. 1-leg calf raise with a heavy bell held in my hand 5. weighted crunch

i train about 5 days per week and i end up training each muscle every 2-4 days, except box squats which i train once every 6-8 days

tomorrow i will do 1 or maybe 2 failure sets on weighted push-ups and that's it

last push-up workout i got 7 reps til failure with 100 pounds strapped onto me, so tomorrow i'll get AT LEAST 8 reps til failure and maybe even 9 or 10 8)

eventually i should get down to the point where i only train 2 or 3 days per week, but my complusive mind just won't let me do that yet....


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Borracho on February 27, 2013, 01:46:22 PM
Gotta love GB. From the advancing impotent problem (blamed on over training), to diet and now exercises performance.

Personal note; hate to see good exercise get a bad rap, just because a few are confused about their performance. That would include the Press Behind The Neck Press and Up-right Rows. If anyone one has trouble with any of these...than don't do them and please share your experiences with them and how they went wrong for you.

The bench to the neck/upper chest is a common exercise done by many men over the years, with good results. It's was never meant to be a heavy duty exercise. Even regular benches , preformed BB'ing style, were meant as a moderate weight exercise and higher reps. The elbow position (as in most exercises) is very important in doing to the neck/upper chest movements, as is a wider grip on the bar. The BB decline press to the neck/upper chest can be a effective upper pec builder also. Almost mocking he affect of doing dips. Suggest both versions in a serious pec building program. DB's also play a important part, keeping the DB's in line with the neck/upper chest..guided by the position of the elbows.

Some chest machines, as a Pec Deck and others chest machines, will require that the elbows be inline (and kept there) with the neck/upper chest. Benefit being, as with a BB/DB, a better full stretch of the upper chest.  Good Luck

Not impotent  lol
 
Just uncalled for morning erections which at times can be quite bothersome if you gotta pee first thing when you wake up.

And yeah ...behind the neck stuff and the to the neck press are impossible for me to do. Just my structure....won't let me. Tried the to the neck press today with just the bar and it just didn't feel right.

Here is what I like to do.
First exercise for the training session, pyramid up using whatever rep range you are using up to your heaviest set in that rep range, and try to get stronger by adding reps or weight when you can.

Every exercise after that I use the traditional volume approach, same weight 3-4 sets 6-15 reps with the same weight. I still try to get stronger on these but not as aggressively as the first exercise.

Last leg workout:
Squats: 185×9, 235×9, 285×9, 335×6
Rear foot elevated split squats: 40lb db's x 8, 8, 8
Seated hamstring curls: 90 x 8, 7, 6, 6
Toe presses: 4 plates x 10, 9, 9
Leg raises: 4 sets bw only

This looks good.
 


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Borracho on February 27, 2013, 01:48:27 PM
well man, i kinda just go "by feel" but i do follow certain guidelines which are as follows:

1. keep the rep range @ 5-10 reps

2. do 1 to 3 exercises per workout

3. do 1 or 2 failure sets per exercise (for 1 to 6 total failure sets per workout, but usually 2-4 failure sets per workout TOTAL)

at the moment i am only doing 5 exercises which are as follows: 1. db row 2. weighted push-up 3. wide stance box squats with a heavy db held in my hands 4. 1-leg calf raise with a heavy bell held in my hand 5. weighted crunch

i train about 5 days per week and i end up training each muscle every 2-4 days, except box squats which i train once every 6-8 days

tomorrow i will do 1 or maybe 2 failure sets on weighted push-ups and that's it

last push-up workout i got 7 reps til failure with 100 pounds strapped onto me, so tomorrow i'll get AT LEAST 8 reps til failure and maybe even 9 or 10 8)

eventually i should get down to the point where i only train 2 or 3 days per week, but my complusive mind just won't let me do that yet....

I'm gonna train something like this for a while but you gotta eat your damn protein!  >:(


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: dj181 on February 27, 2013, 01:51:41 PM
I'm gonna train something like this for a while but you gotta eat your damn protein!  >:(

 ;D ;D ;D

well, i'm cooking my lo-mien noddles right now as we speak and i've put 6 strips of bacon in there with them, and i was gonna wash it all down with an aloe green tea, but now that you mentioned it i'll have a big glass of milk instead :)


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Donny on February 27, 2013, 01:54:22 PM
;D ;D ;D

well, i'm cooking my lo-mien noddles right now as we speak and i've put 6 strips of bacon in there with them, and i was gonna wash it all down with an aloe green tea, but now that you mentioned it i'll have a big glass of milk instead :)
6 strips bacon ? hmmmm ;D


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: dj181 on February 27, 2013, 02:26:53 PM
6 strips bacon ? hmmmm ;D

 8)

i also had another 10 strips of bacon and 4 scrambled eggs for lunch

bacon is good, but steak is better, but a po' broke punkass like myself has to stick with bacon rather than steak ;D

by the way, what's the typical Scottish breakkie? is it like the brit breakkie of bacon and eggs and beans?


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Donny on February 27, 2013, 02:52:13 PM
eggs, bacon , beans , black pudding, scones..tomatoes...and the most important thing SQUARE sliced sausage.


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Donny on February 27, 2013, 03:04:18 PM
Oat Cakes my Father liked too. I did a "Milk Run" before school so i was up at 5 am and run door to door with a milk bottles in a carier in each hand. got me in great shape and i always was hungry. I ate Breakfast gave the Milk man a Bacon butty and he drove me and my 2 brothers to school.. we hanged on the back with a fag(cigerette) in our mouths--great times.


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Mr Nobody on February 27, 2013, 03:05:17 PM
shhhhh... don't speak too loud on maybe AJ's ghost will hear me and pistol whip my ass just like he did that bodybuilder who tried to sell his son narcotics back in the 70s lol

but you're right, 3 to 4 warm-ups on the second exercise wouldn't really be necessary, but i think that one or 2 "primer sets" would be useful to get the feel of the exercise and to get the muscles primed and ready for the 2nd new movement

so do you think that one could go to the second movement without any prep sets? i'm not talking in a pre-exhust fashion, i'm talking about doing one exercise and then resting and regrouping and then hitting the second exercise after being sufficiently recovered from the 1st exercise
Maybe one set to get the feel, but think you are warmed up after the first exercise why do more? Recovery is limited.


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Mr Nobody on February 27, 2013, 04:56:47 PM
shhhhh... don't speak too loud on maybe AJ's ghost will hear me and pistol whip my ass just like he did that bodybuilder who tried to sell his son narcotics back in the 70s lol

but you're right, 3 to 4 warm-ups on the second exercise wouldn't really be necessary, but i think that one or 2 "primer sets" would be useful to get the feel of the exercise and to get the muscles primed and ready for the 2nd new movement

so do you think that one could go to the second movement without any prep sets? i'm not talking in a pre-exhust fashion, i'm talking about doing one exercise and then resting and regrouping and then hitting the second exercise after being sufficiently recovered from the 1st exercise
Yes really no warmup needed, well think about pre-exhaust one exercise to the next no warmup. Nautilus back in the day had no warmup from one exercise to the next 12 exercises. Why do do warmup's when you are warmed up just to use energy?


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: dj181 on February 27, 2013, 05:05:25 PM
Oat Cakes my Father liked too. I did a "Milk Run" before school so i was up at 5 am and run door to door with a milk bottles in a carier in each hand. got me in great shape and i always was hungry. I ate Breakfast gave the Milk man a Bacon butty and he drove me and my 2 brothers to school.. we hanged on the back with a fag(cigerette) in our mouths--great times.

cool man 8) thanks for sharing that :)

by the way, what are scones?


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: dj181 on February 27, 2013, 05:12:49 PM
Yes really no warmup needed, well think about pre-exhaust one exercise to the next no warmup. Nautilus back in the day had no warmup from one exercise to the next 12 exercises. Why do do warmup's when you are warmed up just to use energy?

pre-exhust NEVER worked for me, so it was a waste of time for me

so let's say that i do db bench and then dips for my 2 chest exercises with adequate rest btw the 2

my db bench weight is 100 pound bells so i start with 2 sets of 6 with the 50's and then i got to a set of 3 with 75's and then do my work set til failure with the 100's

and then my dips weight is bodyweight plus 100 pounds how many warm-ups should i do for the dips and at what weight? i would most likely do the 1st set at bodyweight for 6 reps and then hit the 2nd set at bodyweight plus 50 pounds added for 3 reps, so how would you change that warm=up scheme on dips oir would you change it? remember this IS NOT pre-exhust here, it's one set til failure on db bench and then rest a bit then hit one set til failure on dips



Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Mr Nobody on February 27, 2013, 05:42:45 PM
pre-exhust NEVER worked for me, so it was a waste of time for me

so let's say that i do db bench and then dips for my 2 chest exercises with adequate rest btw the 2

my db bench weight is 100 pound bells so i start with 2 sets of 6 with the 50's and then i got to a set of 3 with 75's and then do my work set til failure with the 100's

and then my dips weight is bodyweight plus 100 pounds how many warm-ups should i do for the dips and at what weight? i would most likely do the 1st set at bodyweight for 6 reps and then hit the 2nd set at bodyweight plus 50 pounds added for 3 reps, so how would you change that warm=up scheme on dips oir would you change it? remember this IS NOT pre-exhust here, it's one set til failure on db bench and then rest a bit then hit one set til failure on dips


Not being a dick man, but after have done the db bench with 100's why do need a warmup for the next exercise ? Hell your chest, shoulders, arms are warmed up...seems you are following the path of more is better carry on.


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: dj181 on February 27, 2013, 05:46:06 PM
Not being a dick man, but after have done the db bench with 100's why do need a warmup for the next exercise ? Hell your chest, shoulders, arms are warmed up...seems you are following the path of more is better carry on.

my whole point is to do the 2 warm-up on the next exercise to prepare yourself for that following exercise

you really think that you could just load the 100 pound bell on ya and jump on to and hit the dips til failure without preparing yourself with a prep set or two?


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Mr Nobody on February 27, 2013, 05:52:16 PM
my whole point is to do the 2 warm-up on the next exercise to prepare yourself for that following exercise

you really think that you could just load the 100 pound bell on ya and jump on to and hit the dips til failure without preparing yourself with a prep set or two?
Maybe 3-4 reps 60% then rest and do the failure set.


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: dj181 on February 27, 2013, 06:02:31 PM
Maybe 3-4 reps 60% then rest and do the failure set.

agreed


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: Mr Nobody on February 27, 2013, 07:30:30 PM
hold on,man, not everyones the same.

during winter with freezing temperatures outside, even after just being out for 1 minute, i need like 10 warmup sets till im ready to go.

maybe some permabulker fatsos need less warmup i dont know.

but even in hot spanish summer weather,i went to the gym, and did arms, one set of skullcrushers for warm up and then tried to go for the actual training, not even much weight, and boom, both triceps injured.

i seen ppls biceps tear on 20lbs dumbells bc they didnt warm up properly.
Agreed on that, but after you are warm on the first exercise on a body part why keep warming up?


Title: Re: No morning wood = Overtrained
Post by: WOOO on February 28, 2013, 02:49:08 AM
Agreed on that, but after you are warm on the first exercise on a body part why keep warming up?

I don't. But I do pyramid up.