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Title: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: The True Adonis on February 26, 2013, 06:57:39 PM
I can do a lot of pullups and usually use 75 lbs strapped to myself for a few reps even.  However, Lat Pulldowns are superior and I feel them much more than Pullups.  


Discuss.
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: Hulkotron on February 26, 2013, 07:01:59 PM
Yes I agree.  I've never been great at pullups myself though.
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: BIG ACH on February 26, 2013, 07:05:10 PM
Depends what you weigh too? lol



I weigh 230....


And our lat pulldown machine goes up to 260!



I love doing wide grip pullups, and they always seem to be more challenging than doing maximum weight on the pulldown machine!
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: MP on February 26, 2013, 07:09:07 PM
Nothing irritates me more than stepping foot in a gym where they don't have a proper bar for doing pull-ups.

Fuck lat pull downs. That is for women ... and fat people in training until they can do pull ups.
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: Jizzacked on February 26, 2013, 07:09:29 PM
I feel the exact opposite.  for overall strength, I feel pullups are superior and they are one of my favorite exercises.
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: BIG ACH on February 26, 2013, 07:11:15 PM
I feel the exact opposite.  for overall strength, I feel pullups are superior and they are one of my favorite exercises.

Yup!  Ditto!


I switch it up some weeks I'll go in and do 6 sets of pull ups, some weeks I'll go in and 6 sets of lat pulldowns!  But do feel the pullups are superior - especially for overall back width!
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: Nomad on February 26, 2013, 07:16:39 PM
Pullups are a functional exercize.
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: Jizzacked on February 26, 2013, 07:18:25 PM
Yup!  Ditto!


I switch it up some weeks I'll go in and do 6 sets of pull ups, some weeks I'll go in and 6 sets of lat pulldowns!  But do feel the pullups are superior - especially for overall back width!

I usually burn out my strength on pullups, and end the workout with some concentrated lighter pull downs.  I like pulldowns especially because even after I do deadlifts I feel pretty fresh on them, like they hit a whole other part of the back region.
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: nasht5 on February 26, 2013, 07:18:56 PM
I can do a lot of pullups and usually use 75 lbs strapped to myself for a few reps even.  However, Lat Pulldowns are superior and I feel them much more than Pullups.  


Discuss.

pullups are superior to lat pulldowns, if you can do a pullup/chinup. LPD are still a good excercise but not better.
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: The True Adonis on February 26, 2013, 07:24:09 PM
for me pull ups give best pump and soreness after.

maybe you should try full rom,you know
Its impossible for me not to go full ROM due to my long arms.  I go ALL the way down and ALL the way up.

I am very, very good at pullups and can do 20+ easily all the way up and down, no swinging in one set.


I don`t get any pump even when doing that though.  Could be because I have done at least 50 pullups every single back work out for years and years now.

Lat Pulls give me an insane pump though and are more difficult as I can adjust the weight greatly.
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on February 26, 2013, 07:25:02 PM
I can do a lot of pullups and usually use 75 lbs strapped to myself for a few reps even.  However, Lat Pulldowns are superior and I feel them much more than Pullups.  


Discuss.

why bother? you're part orangutan so you're going to be good at both movements and (also because you're part orangutan) you'e never going to have any appreciable back development to show for it.

Discuss.
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on February 26, 2013, 07:26:07 PM
must be nice to be able to tie your shoelaces standing straight up though.
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: The True Adonis on February 26, 2013, 07:28:52 PM
I do get a laugh when I see Midgets struggling with Pullups.  Short people are abysmal at them.

Does anyone have anything other than Bro-Science to back their claims up of a Pullup being "better" than a Lat Pulldown?  ???


Pullups are a joke for me.
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on February 26, 2013, 07:29:45 PM
lol you're 5ft10 in your shoes, i wouldn't get all "high" and mighty about midgets.
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: The True Adonis on February 26, 2013, 07:30:39 PM
lol you're 5ft10 in your shoes, i wouldn't get all "high" and mighty about midgets.
No I`m not.   Who told you that?
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: oldtimer1 on February 26, 2013, 07:31:34 PM
I feel lat pull downs in my lats when I stay pretty vertical. I noticed most put the pin near the bottom and do this rocking version where they lean back far almost to the point where it becomes a row instead of a pulldown. Pullups are superior but truth most are not strong enough to do proper sets of chins. Going dead hang and going all the way up, most guys couldn't do sets of ten. Doing kips and a short range of motion isn't as effective for lats as a full range lat pulldown.
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: The True Adonis on February 26, 2013, 07:33:32 PM
I feel lat pull downs in my lats when I stay pretty vertical. I noticed most put the pin near the bottom and do this rocking version where they lean back far almost to the point where it becomes a row instead of a pulldown. Pullups are superior but truth most are not strong enough to do proper sets of chins. Going dead hang and going all the way up, most guys couldn't do sets of ten. Doing kips and a short range of motion isn't as effective for lats as a full range lat pulldown.
Yeah I Dead Hang and even pause with my arms fully extended when I do pullups.  Still they are a breeze and I don`t get much out of them.  I have adapted to them as I can` remember doing a back workout without doing them.  :-\
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: BIG ACH on February 26, 2013, 07:35:11 PM

Adonis - what about weighted pull ups?
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: The True Adonis on February 26, 2013, 07:35:44 PM
I also installed an INCREDIBLY thick bar to do pullups with to make it more difficult.  The thinner the bar, the easier pullups are to do.  Still, its child`s play.

Lat Pulldown is so much better.

Does anyone have any proof that a Pullup is better or is it just more Bro-Science being spouted?
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: The True Adonis on February 26, 2013, 07:38:18 PM
Adonis - what about weighted pull ups?
I go up to 75 lbs for 5-6 reps and could probably do more but its hard to fit much more than that comfortably.  I usually do 3 sets of 12 with 25 lbs, then I do 1-2 sets without any weight and I won`t count reps.  Its usually a good number though as its sort of a trick to go from heavier weight to nothing and it makes it seem much, much easier.
Title: how many pullups can you do
Post by: hardgainerj on February 26, 2013, 07:43:35 PM
like this



not this
Title: Re: how many pullups can you do
Post by: njflex on February 26, 2013, 07:46:30 PM
really ???,,,
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: Big N on February 26, 2013, 07:47:26 PM
Are you and hardgainerj competing with pullup threads today?
Title: Re: how many pullups can you do
Post by: Big N on February 26, 2013, 07:48:01 PM
First The True Adonis and now you, did you two make a bet today about pullups or something.
Title: Re: how many pullups can you do
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on February 26, 2013, 07:49:38 PM
this thread seems a lot less self-congratulatory and expresses genuine curiosity.
Title: Pullups - Are they any good for building muscle?
Post by: Kwon_2 on February 26, 2013, 07:50:20 PM
Are they any good for building muscle?
Title: Re: Pullups
Post by: hardgainerj on February 26, 2013, 07:52:07 PM
best back exercise along with row and I dont mean low shrugs
Title: Instructions on pullups
Post by: Big N on February 26, 2013, 07:55:59 PM
(http://karmajello.com/postcont/2012/04/pullup.jpg) (http://valhallaacademy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/pullup1_TP.jpg)

-Discuss
Title: Re: Instructions on pullups
Post by: hardgainerj on February 26, 2013, 07:58:26 PM
those are chinups sir
Title: Re: Pullups
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on February 26, 2013, 07:59:38 PM
I prefer pull-downs because I'm part "old man of the jungle"
Title: Re: how many pullups can you do
Post by: viking1 on February 26, 2013, 08:26:27 PM
Nasser has swamp ass.        No homo
Title: Re: how many pullups can you do
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on February 26, 2013, 08:27:28 PM
Nasser has swamp ass.        No homo

why were you in sniffing distance of his ass?
Title: Re: Instructions on pullups
Post by: BIG ACH on February 26, 2013, 08:57:03 PM
 ;D

FAIL

This is how you do a pullup

(http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/yhst-17965644003626/demo-pullup.jpg)
Title: Re: how many pullups can you do
Post by: Jizzacked on February 26, 2013, 09:03:21 PM
about 15 dead hang pullups for my first set, usually lose a few reps on each following set
Title: Re: how many pullups can you do
Post by: Coach is Back! on February 26, 2013, 09:07:50 PM
Explains a lot.
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: trapz101 on February 26, 2013, 09:21:29 PM
it's like comparing squats and leg press
Title: Re: Instructions on pullups
Post by: 240 is Back on February 26, 2013, 09:23:23 PM
g
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: mesmorph78 on February 26, 2013, 09:25:33 PM
Pull-ups and chins win
Anyone who substitutes pull-ups or chins with pull downs if not injured
Is lazy
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: 240 is Back on February 26, 2013, 09:27:16 PM
My getbigger pulls up, but I don't.
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: Yev33 on February 26, 2013, 09:38:45 PM
I haven't done pull downs in years. Before I used to do both, because the pro's did pulldowns  ::).  Dropped the pulldowns because it became  a pain in the ass to bring the weight down and get my legs under the pads when the weight began to outweigh me by quite a bit. Now I just do weighted pull ups, chin ups, neutral grip, etc., still get sore and still get a great pump in my lats.   
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: The True Adonis on February 26, 2013, 09:46:48 PM
it's like comparing squats and leg press
No its not at all. 
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: HTexan on February 26, 2013, 09:55:24 PM
I can do a lot of pullups and usually use 75 lbs strapped to myself for a few reps even.  However, Lat Pulldowns are superior and I feel them much more than Pullups.  


Discuss.
Humm. I prefer assisted or plain pull-ups. The motion is smoother and I feel I get a better pump.  
But, being that my golds gym only has 1 pull-up bar and 1 assisted pull up station. And crossfitters and tapoutters love pull-ups, I do pull downs just to avoid the little fuckers.
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: The True Adonis on February 26, 2013, 10:10:36 PM
So where is the proof?  ???
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: Rudee on February 26, 2013, 10:13:07 PM
I started using 2" thick dry sponges several years ago to improve my grip when doing pullups.  Works great.  The extra thickness of the sponge helps grip, which equates to extra reps.   Much better than lifting straps or lifting gloves.

(http://images.nitrosell.com/product_images/3/609/DCS.jpg)
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: BikiniSlut on February 26, 2013, 10:31:24 PM
I can't do one pullup.  :-[
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: Rudee on February 26, 2013, 10:44:59 PM
I can't do one pullup.  :-[

My ex had a very hard time doing pullups when she was doing P90x.   For a full month I had her step up on a chair, grab the chinup bar, and then lower herself slowly for a count of ten.  I had her do 3 sets of negative only chins three times a week to build up her strength.  After one month she was able to perform 5 full reps of regular chinups.  A month before that she couldn't do more than 2!    
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on February 26, 2013, 11:13:55 PM
Handstand presses are a must for big shoulders and anyone who doesn't do them is a lazy pussy and homo.  ::)
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: Parker on February 26, 2013, 11:41:23 PM
I can do a lot of pullups and usually use 75 lbs strapped to myself for a few reps even.  However, Lat Pulldowns are superior and I feel them much more than Pullups.  


Discuss.
a few yrs back there was an article in either Flex or Msuclemag on Pull ups vs lat pulldowns...
Notice how many big bodybuilders cannot do pull ups, but can do lat pulldowns.
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: trapz101 on February 27, 2013, 12:55:03 AM
I can't do one pullup.  :-[

do them everyday and you will go from 1 to 15 reps in less than 2 weeks.

at least that's what i did back then
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: Ronnie Rep on February 27, 2013, 05:15:40 AM
Four sets of pullups to start back workout,four sets of pull downs to end back workout!
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: oldtimer1 on February 27, 2013, 05:53:44 AM
Another point from a kinesiological standpoint is that not only should you go to a dead hang you shouldn't just try to reach your chin. Think of getting your elbows all the way down for a full contraction.
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 27, 2013, 06:05:55 AM
I feel the exact opposite.  for overall strength, I feel pullups are superior and they are one of my favorite exercises.

Yup.   

I been doing burpee / pull up combos and the soreness in the back muscles lasts for a few days. 

I rarely get anything like that ever on a lat pull down.
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: makaveli25 on February 27, 2013, 06:41:03 AM
I put a sheet of paper towell in each hand helps with grip when doing pullups. I do 50 reps every back workout.
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on February 27, 2013, 06:43:18 AM
for me pull ups give best pump and soreness after.

maybe you should try full rom,you know

I am not so strong in pullups, but I always use full ROM.
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on February 27, 2013, 06:56:01 AM
The Orang Utanis
Title: Re: Bro-Science: Pullups are better than Lat Pulldowns
Post by: CalvinH on February 27, 2013, 07:03:50 AM
Haven't done pullups in awhile ....will add to my back workout next time :)