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Title: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 27, 2013, 06:44:31 PM
More self-defense advice from Joe Biden: “Just fire the shotgun through the door”


posted at 8:41 pm on February 27, 2013 by Erika Johnsen






Because the advice he offered last week to simply “fire two blasts” outside the house wasn’t recklessly bogus enough, here’s the vice president expounding even further on his recommendations for in-home self-defense in an in-depth interview with Field & Stream on Monday (h/t Washington Examiner):
 

F&S: What about the other uses, for self-defense and target practice?
 
V.P. BIDEN: Well, the way in which we measure it is—I think most scholars would say—is that as long as you have a weapon sufficient to be able to provide your self-defense. I did one of these town-hall meetings on the Internet and one guy said, “Well, what happens when the end days come? What happens when there’s the earthquake? I live in California, and I have to protect myself.”
 
I said, “Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.” Most people can handle a shotgun a hell of a lot better than they can a semiautomatic weapon in terms of both their aim and in terms of their ability to deter people coming. We can argue whether that’s true or not, but it is no argument that, for example, a shotgun could do the same job of protecting you. Now, granted, you can come back and say, “Well, a machine gun could do a better job of protecting me.” No one’s arguing we should make machine guns legal.
 
Honesty, did no one bother to inform the vice president, after his first round of similarly awful advice, that just blasting away on the back porch will 1) reveal your position, 2) leave you effectively disarmed, and 3) possibly get you into some legal trouble?
 
Personal anecdote, as a young woman of the sort at which the vice president heartily chuckled last week: I’m fairly handy with a twelve gauge, if I do say so myself — I’ve been using them for years on family shooting expeditions, so I’ve had plenty of practice time to get comfortable with them. Just this past Christmas, however, I had my first opportunity to try out an AR-15, and not knowing what to expect, I firmly nestled the ‘assault weapon’ into my shoulder, braced for impact, and… there was virtually no kick. Effortlessly accurate at both short and long distances, and easy to operate, too.
 
I would never argue that a shotgun is a good option for home defense and deterrence (especially those singularly musical sounds of a ready-to-go pump-action) in the case that a single intruder is bearing down on you, since it doesn’t take much precision at close range… but you better not miss. Tradeoffs, people.
 
And just firing the shotgun out the door when you think people might be looking to enter your home? …So much for “gun safety” advocacy.


http://hotair.com/archives/2013/02/27/more-self-defense-advice-from-joe-biden-just-fire-the-shotgun-through-the-door





LMFAO!!!!!

Ha ha ha ha!!!!


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: tonymctones on February 27, 2013, 06:46:48 PM
Oscar Pistoriuos Confirmed


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 27, 2013, 06:48:51 PM
"Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.”



LMFAO!!!!!!


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: Montague on February 27, 2013, 06:58:32 PM
"Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.”



LMFAO!!!!!!


Clearly, that's a man with experience.


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: 24KT on February 27, 2013, 07:25:42 PM
Oscar Pistoriuos Confirmed

Oh Snap!


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 27, 2013, 07:27:14 PM
Oh Snap!

 ;D  ;D 

Maybe Oscar can use that as a defense?


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: Shockwave on February 27, 2013, 07:28:38 PM
The sheer stupidity that comes out of this mans mouth never ceases to amaze me....


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 27, 2013, 07:38:09 PM
The sheer stupidity that comes out of this mans mouth never ceases to amaze me....


Better than Palin though   ;D


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: WOOO on February 27, 2013, 07:49:55 PM
The sheer stupidity that comes out of this mans mouth never ceases to amaze me....

i agree... he sounds as stupid as a republican most of the time



Better than Palin though   ;D

at least she was hot...


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 27, 2013, 07:55:14 PM
Does Biden not trust women w a Beretta 9mm? 


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: WOOO on February 27, 2013, 08:01:28 PM
Does Biden not trust women w a Beretta 9mm? 

(http://malialitman.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/sarah-palin-stupid.jpg)


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 27, 2013, 08:03:35 PM
I hope no one is actually taking this fool (Biden) seriously....  :o


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: Montague on February 27, 2013, 08:05:40 PM
I hope no one is actually taking this fool (Biden) seriously....  :o


The only people stupid enough to take him seriously are the ones who voted for him and his boss.


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 27, 2013, 08:17:41 PM

The only people stupid enough to take him seriously are the ones who voted for him and his boss.

Good point, they can shoot their shotguns through (or at) doors all day long for all I care!  ;D


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 27, 2013, 08:21:19 PM
Good point, they can shoot their shotguns through (or at) doors all day long for all I care!  ;D

And Palin the idiot while Biden is no. 2.   ::)


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: blacken700 on February 28, 2013, 04:37:59 AM
i agree... he sounds as stupid as a republican most of the time


 :D :D :D


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: tu_holmes on February 28, 2013, 04:58:18 AM
The sheer stupidity that comes out of this mans mouth never ceases to amaze me....

I would be more amazed if he actually had an intelligent statement... By now I just expect he's gonna say some crazy shit.


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: tonymctones on February 28, 2013, 05:11:05 AM
Like I said all the pro gun ppl need is for this retard and those who know nothing about guns to keep talking. They do more for the cause everytime they open their mouth than any NRA commercial will ever do.


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: Archer77 on February 28, 2013, 06:37:22 AM
I predict a lot of dead ups guys


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: 240 is Back on February 28, 2013, 07:47:20 AM
Biden is like Zimmerman with a false teeth and hair plugs.


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 28, 2013, 09:56:05 AM
Vice President Biden doubles down on his bad advice
 Monachus Lex ^ | February 28, 2013 | John Pierce

Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:15:29 PM by JohnPierce

--IMAGE HERE--

What is it with vice presidents and shotguns? I mean, Dick Cheney may have accidentally shot someone in a display of poor firearms handling, but at least he never claimed that it was a good idea to do so.

But despite being thoroughly lambasted for last week’s illegal advice to shoot wildly into the air from one’s balcony, good ol’ Joe is back with more advice for those who are tired of living outside of prison.

In an interview with Field & Stream he made the following jaw-droppingly stupid statement.

“Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because [if] you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.”

Now … I know what you are thinking.

You are asking yourself whether or not you are reading a satire article from The Onion.

But amazingly enough, you are not.

A sitting vice president of the United States actually offered that advice to American citizens.

There is so much wrong with his statement that I hardly know where to begin. But since there are those who are unfamiliar with self-defense laws and might actually take the Vice President at his word, I feel I should do a quick two-point legal analysis for you.

1) You do not have the right to use deadly force merely to ‘keep someone away from your house’.

That is not self-defense, it is murder.

2) Even when you otherwise might be facing a legitimate threat, you cannot fire blindly through a door without knowing who or what is on the other side.

That is not self-defense, it is reckless endangerment!

So unless you want to enjoy several years of ‘BidenCare’ wherein you receive free meals, medical care, and housing courtesy of the prison system in your state, I would suggest you ignore what Joe has to say about self-defense.

You know … many pro-gun advocates like to say that the reason anti-gun advocates are so afraid of gun ownership is because they know that they themselves would not handle the responsibility well. Joe seems to be the living example of that hypothesis.

So where will he go from here? What will be the next gem to fall from his lips?

I don’t know … but I do know this … I would much rather go duck hunting with Dick Cheney than ring the doorbell at Biden’s house.


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: Montague on February 28, 2013, 10:07:28 AM
Quote
I don’t know … but I do know this … I would much rather go duck hunting with Dick Cheney than ring the doorbell at Biden’s house.


LMAO!!


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: Montague on February 28, 2013, 10:08:30 AM
I pray every day that nothing happens to 0bama before his term is up.


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: Archer77 on February 28, 2013, 10:09:08 AM
Biden is like Zimmerman with a false teeth and hair plugs.

You've got to give him some credit.  At least he's in favor of shooting instead of the brilliant anti-rape strategy of shitting and pissing to discourage an attacker.


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 28, 2013, 10:27:42 AM
Does Biden approve of slugs?   ???


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 28, 2013, 10:29:03 AM
Does Biden approve of slugs?   ???

No but he loves plugs for sure! 


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: 240 is Back on February 28, 2013, 11:40:41 AM
You've got to give him some credit.  At least he's in favor of shooting instead of the brilliant anti-rape strategy of shitting and pissing to discourage an attacker.

zimmer was pissing and shitting himself as he was losing a fight he started after chasing a minor two blocks with a gun.


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: 24KT on February 28, 2013, 11:45:54 AM
Like I said all the pro gun ppl need is for this retard and those who know nothing about guns to keep talking. They do more for the cause everytime they open their mouth than any NRA commercial will ever do.

Not really, all they do is prove to the pro 2nd amendment people how stupid these kinds of comments are.
...but for the anti-gun crowd who support gun grabs, ...they don't know what they don't know. For many of them, his statements seem quite reasonable ...leaving everyone in the same position, only more firmly entrenched.


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 28, 2013, 11:56:07 AM
zimmer was pissing and shitting himself as he was losing a fight he started after chasing a minor two blocks with a gun.

 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: tonymctones on February 28, 2013, 11:59:59 AM
Not really, all they do is prove to the pro 2nd amendment people how stupid these kinds of comments are.
...but for the anti-gun crowd who support gun grabs, ...they don't know what they don't know. For many of them, his statements seem quite reasonable ...leaving everyone in the same position, only more firmly entrenched.
youre not going to change the mind of idiots like the ones you described. The ppl you need to reach are the independents and stupidity like this will not go far with them.


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: 24KT on February 28, 2013, 12:22:47 PM
youre not going to change the mind of idiots like the ones you described. The ppl you need to reach are the independents and stupidity like this will not go far with them.

Independents ??? There you go again with the left / right paradigmn. It's not Republican vs. Democrat
It's not about left / right. It's about pro 2nd amendment advocates vs gun control advocates.
Both sides are already positioned, and dumb statements Biden's only entrench both sides further.


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 28, 2013, 12:24:45 PM
Independents ??? There you go again with the left / right paradigmn. It's not Republican vs. Democrat
It's not about left / right. It's about pro 2nd amendment advocates vs gun control advocates.
Both sides are already positioned, and dumb statements Biden's only entrench both sides further.

Name one prominent democrat ever to stand up for the 2nd amendment?


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: 24KT on February 28, 2013, 12:48:09 PM
Name one prominent democrat ever to stand up for the 2nd amendment?

Alex Jones


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: 24KT on February 28, 2013, 12:52:42 PM
Name one prominent democrat ever to stand up for the 2nd amendment?

Senator Max Baucus. This man has been responsible for much legislation that has hamstrung the ATF.

In addition, he wrote: "I want to protect both the First and Second Amendments fully; erosion of one threatens erosion of the other." - Senator Max Baucus, 1990

Senator Mark Begich

“We have to be very careful that we don’t jump to the clamor of emotion," ... "I don’t believe that we just need to pile on new laws and suddenly that solves all the problems.” Senator Mark Begich 2013

Responding to a question about whether he would support a renewal of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which outlawed the manufacture of certain semiautomatic firearms from 1994 to 2004, Senator Begich said he is “not interested.”

Congressman Heath Schuler

In response to the Arizona shooting rampage, NC Congressman Heath Shuler has confirmed that he will carry a gun himself for protection at state public events. “I, like many of my constituents and staff in Western North Carolina, strongly support the Second Amendment and do exercise our right to legally and safely carry a firearm."

Senator Jon Tester

In 2008, Senator Jon Tester pushed the US Supreme Court to strike down Washington, DC's long-standing ban on gun ownership. The Court agreed and found the restrictions unconstitutional in Heller v. District of Columbia. In 2009, Senator Tester filed a major "friend of the court" legal briefing to convince the Supreme Court to strike down state and local government restrictions on gun ownership. The Court struck down the restrictive gun laws in a decision in McDonald v. City of Chicago.


And last but not least

"I guarantee you Barack Obama ain't taking my shotguns, so don't buy that malarkey. Don't buy that malarkey. They're going to start peddling that to you. I got two. If he tries to fool with my Beretta. he's got a problem." - Vice President Joe Biden  ...only because I think you should lighten up and laugh every once in a while. :D


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: tonymctones on February 28, 2013, 01:56:20 PM
Independents ??? There you go again with the left / right paradigmn. It's not Republican vs. Democrat
It's not about left / right. It's about pro 2nd amendment advocates vs gun control advocates.
Both sides are already positioned, and dumb statements Biden's only entrench both sides further.
fine then you loony tunes woman the undecided. Ppl with any sort of common sense realize how stupid bidens comments are and how reactions like putting armed guards at schools make sense


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: 24KT on February 28, 2013, 11:10:06 PM
fine then you loony tunes woman the undecided. Ppl with any sort of common sense realize how stupid bidens comments are and how reactions like putting armed guards at schools make sense

What undecideds? They're not ordering off the menu at McDonald's. This is about the Second Amendment.
You either support it, ...or you're for gun control. There is no undecided. It's like being a bit pregnant. You either are, ...or are not. And those who don't believe in and support the Second Amendment should give up their citizenship and move to a country that does not have the right to bear arms entrenched in their constitution. A country other than Canada... I don't want any stupid asses in my country, ...we got enough of them up here as it is.


Title: Re: Biden offers more home self defense advice:"Just shoot through the door"
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 01, 2013, 02:34:10 AM
U.S. News and World Report ^ | February 28, 2013 | Steven Nelson
Posted on March 1, 2013, 2:18:54 AM EST by grundle

Vice President Joe Biden told Field & Stream magazine in an interview published Monday, "[if] you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door."

Coincidentally, a 22-year-old man in Virginia Beach, Va., was charged Monday with reckless handling of a firearm after doing just that a couple days earlier.

Local TV station WAVY 10 reports that the man observed two masked men leaning into his bedroom window. The men allegedly had weapons and told him to close his bedroom door. He stepped outside of his bedroom and did as instructed, then fired his shotgun through the closed door and then several more times at the window.

According to the news report there were no injuries and the suspects were not apprehended by police.

Biden's comments to Field & Stream came as he summarized a hypothetical question in which someone from California pondered "when the end days come" or if there's an earthquake.

Earlier this month, Biden told an interviewer that he had advised his wife, Jill, "if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house."

According to Delaware attorneys contacted by U.S. News, in Biden's home state it is only legal to use deadly force if there is reason to fear imminent loss of life. Shooting a gun in the air could result in felony reckless endangering and aggravated menacing charges, in addition to misdemeanor charges, the lawyers said.

In December, Biden was selected by President Barack Obama to lead a task force on establishing new federal gun control laws. In January, Biden presented Obama will proposals including limiting the bullet capacity of gun magazines and establishing universal background checks for all gun purchases.

A spokeswoman for Biden did not immediately respond to a request for comment.