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Will working traps and calves twice a week do any good? Common skinny fat natty iditot
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Will working traps and calves twice a week do any good? Common skinny fat natty iditot
Working muscles Twice a week is a very good thing, especially if natural. Naturals need to work out much more than juicers to really get results.
I do everything twice a week. 3 days hypertrophy specific and 2 days Heavy for Power. Like this:
1.Back and Shoulders Hyper
2.Lower body Hyper
3.Chest and Arms Hyper
4. off
5. Upper Body Power Day-Includes Arms
6. Lower Body Power Day
7.off
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Working muscles Twice a week is a very good thing, especially if natural. Naturals need to work out much more than juicers to really get results.
I do everything twice a week. 3 days hypertrophy specific and 2 days Heavy for Power. Like this:
1.Back and Shoulders Hyper
2.Lower body Hyper
3.Chest and Arms Hyper
4. off
5. Upper Body Power Day-Includes Arms
6. Lower Body Power Day
7.off
Naturals need to work out 3 times as hard. I'm talking 2 hour long workouts, 3 times a day, 7 days a week. 60 sets per bodypart. Also be sure to load up on lots of squirrel eggs and bee pollen. That's the key. ;D
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Naturals need to work out 3 times as hard. I'm talking 2 hour long workouts, 3 times a day, 7 days a week. 60 sets per bodypart. Also be sure to load up on lots of squirrel eggs and bee pollen. That's the key. ;D
Natural do need to work out much harder than Juicers for any appreciable results. Juicers don`t have to do near as much. Its the sad truth. :-\
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Natural do need to work out much harder than Juicers for any appreciable results. Juicers don`t have to do near as much. Its the sad truth. :-\
Truthfully, yes. Somebody on drugs can grow just racking the weights for other people.
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Working muscles Twice a week is a very good thing, especially if natural. Naturals need to work out much more than juicers to really get results.
I do everything twice a week. 3 days hypertrophy specific and 2 days Heavy for Power. Like this:
1.Back and Shoulders Hyper
2.Lower body Hyper
3.Chest and Arms Hyper
4. off
5. Upper Body Power Day-Includes Arms
6. Lower Body Power Day
7.off
Thank you Adonis, I've done something similar in the past but didn't stick with it. I'm going to give this another shot! 8)
What exactly does hypertrophy specific mean? High intensity? ???
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Working muscles Twice a week is a very good thing, especially if natural. Naturals need to work out much more than juicers to really get results.
I do everything twice a week. 3 days hypertrophy specific and 2 days Heavy for Power. Like this:
1.Back and Shoulders Hyper
2.Lower body Hyper
3.Chest and Arms Hyper
4. off
5. Upper Body Power Day-Includes Arms
6. Lower Body Power Day
7.off
I do the exact same. You get this from Layne Norton's PHAT program? It's almost identical.
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Will working traps and calves twice a week do any good? Common skinny fat natty iditot
man, if you arent a amateur/professional athlete or entering a bbing show for a plastic trophy, 3 days plus 1-2 days cardio is fine. i only did 5 days a week when i was off season football.
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Will working traps and calves twice a week do any good? Common skinny fat natty iditot
My philosophy for lagging body parts has always been to CRUSH them every day that they are NOT sore. Most of the time that's twice a week for me, occasionally I can get a 3rd in, depending on body part. I see no reason why this method is faulty.
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not a win. work them effectively once a week. make them a priority obviously, but not twice a week. and back off on your first responder muscles. just maintain them.
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not a win. work them effectively once a week. make them a priority obviously, but not twice a week. and back off on your first responder muscles. just maintain them.
Terrible advice
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Terrible advice
Why are you giving advice to naturals?
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Why are you giving advice to naturals?
I'm very qualified, I've watched several bodybuilding documentaries.
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2x week ia good, i never hit a muscle less than that. You can do calves 3x easily, though i wouldnt expect a drastic differencr because of its inherent genetic limitation.
A power/hypertrophy routine is good as Gaydonis posted, or a progeesive loading scheme like HST.
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Natural do need to work out much harder than Juicers for any appreciable results. Juicers don`t have to do near as much. Its the sad truth. :-\
Prob true. Juicers don't HAVE to do near as much. But some actually work out just as hard as naturals AND they are on juice.
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Every 5 days.
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One of the biggest myths in bodybuilding is training one body part per week.
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train it again when its not sore anymore and feels somewhat "full",as in, you get good pump after bit flexing.
Yup. If you've been lifting long enough and are in tune with your body, you know when a bodypart is ready to get hit again
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I'm very qualified, I've watched several bodybuilding documentaries.
Thanks for clearing that up, I was about to call bullshit.
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Thanks for clearing that up, I was about to call bullshit.
:D
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One of the biggest myths in bodybuilding is training one body part per week.
Agreed. It's always the the guys who have juiced since Jump street who can now sit back and relax that say less is better.
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Working muscles Twice a week is a very good thing, especially if natural. Naturals need to work out much more than juicers to really get results.
I do everything twice a week. 3 days hypertrophy specific and 2 days Heavy for Power. Like this:
1.Back and Shoulders Hyper
2.Lower body Hyper
3.Chest and Arms Hyper
4. off
5. Upper Body Power Day-Includes Arms
6. Lower Body Power Day
7.off
Man I'm kinda stoned right now and that seems so perfect. Fucking zen 8)
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I training every muscle-group twice a week since 1970.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.new#new (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.new#new)
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I training every muscle-group twice a week since 1970.
What was his name? Did he hurt you? :'(
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What was his name? Did he hurt you? :'(
???
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Twice a week for lagging body parts is what I do.. Something about protein synthesis :D.. Chiro Flex back me up brah
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Twice a week for lagging body parts is what I do.. Something about protein synthesis :D.. Chiro Flex back me up brah
Funny that you say that...
Well, growing up, my father worked as a TV repairman. As a young child, I often played in his workshop during the evening. Many of the lessons I learned from his business crossed over directly into my bodybuilding pursuits. I can't think of a better example that the time he was working on an old Model 6 RCA 28" tube television, and he took a break and sat me on his lap, and explained to me the difference between whey isolate and whey hydrolysate, and their unique differences on the amino acid spectrum, as well as their affinity for gluconeogenesis when taken post-workout. It was times like those, that forever shaped me as a young man and fueled my desire to attain several plastic trophies each year in my muscle-making tournaments.
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Funny that you say that...
Well, growing up, my father worked as a TV repairman. As a young child, I often played in his workshop during the evening. Many of the lessons I learned from his business crossed over directly into my bodybuilding pursuits. I can't think of a better example that the time he was working on an old Model 6 RCA 28" tube television, and he took a break and sat me on his lap, and explained to me the difference between whey isolate and whey hydrolysate, and their unique differences on the amino acid spectrum, as well as their affinity for gluconeogenesis when taken post-workout. It was times like those, that forever shaped me as a young man and fueled my desire to attain several plastic trophies each year in my muscle-making tournaments.
Genius
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has any one here ever actually brought up a weak bodypart ?
I have a strong feeling that it is impossible to do it, you can just make your body bigger in general, but never change proportions.
what do you guys think ?
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There's no way to bring up bad body parts except from synthol.
They will always lag, no matter what.
Fun fact: I am powerlifter. I haven't trained delts at all since january. After 2 months of heavy pressing, dips and some light inclines twice a week my delts have grown tremendously. My chest? None to zero progress.
I've never trained my traps except from once in a blue moon. They are my best bodypart in upper body.
I hate training legs. They grow from squats only, powerlifting style with very low volume, no hypertrophy training intended. If I don't train them at all they will atrophy very slowly.
I trained calves for 3-4 years and then stopped after realising my girlfriend's got bigger calves from heels.
My friend who doesn't train arms at all sports 48cm ripped guns with incredible biceps peak and shape. They look over 50cm easily.
If you brought up weak bodypart it means that your previous training method was shit. If it was halfway decent then I'm sorry, it won't "blow up".
I always laugh when people come to my at the gym and tell me they brought up this, or that. I don't see any fucking difference.
Bottom line: why would you care if you're casual lifter. As long as you're muscular and around 12% or less you look good. If you're compting buy fucking syntherol and don't waste your time on new training methods.
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deceiver bringing the absolute truth.
once a week, twice a week, three times a week... it doesn't matter! that people don't realize this boggles my mind. sometimes i even feel crazy. like, am i the only one who has ever tried different things? and realized there's pretty much no way that some guy dicking around in the gym is ever going to be able to confidently say that technique A gave me .0001 mm more diameter on my arms than technique B?
it's no wonder the supplement / fitness "industries" are so rife with pseudo science... the kind of moron to whom bodybuilding generally appeals eats this shit up. how do any of you measure ANYHING that you do? how can you isolate variables? how can you repeat results? practically every gym rat will happily give some prescription for even the tiniest detail... 4 factor rep tempos, macro breakdowns to the percent, "intensity techniques"... what a bunch of SHIT. keep on preaching retarded hairsplitting bullshit all the while there are ten million youtube videos of bodyuilders, olympic lifters, powerlifters, and athletes at all levels of development contributing to a body of training documentation that can obliterate any and all of your simpleton dogma -- for every "technique" you can think of, there will be dozens of examples of people who did the exact opposite for great results, and dozens who did the exact same for shit results.
besides this, it's pretty obvious training barely matters anyway. if you were born to be big, you will be big with any halfway decent training program. if you weren't, you won't. END OF STORY.
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Working muscles Twice a week is a very good thing, especially if natural. Naturals need to work out much more than juicers to really get results.
I do everything twice a week. 3 days hypertrophy specific and 2 days Heavy for Power. Like this:
1.Back and Shoulders Hyper
2.Lower body Hyper
3.Chest and Arms Hyper
4. off
5. Upper Body Power Day-Includes Arms
6. Lower Body Power Day
7.off
how does your routine in your hyper and power days looks like? I can undestand the hyper days but as far as reps, sets and movements goes on pwr days..what do you do?
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Naturals get more benefit from training often? How the fuck did anyone come up with this, juice makes you recover faster so if anyone needs to train more often its the juicers
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As a natural you should stick to basic movements and really stop thinking about "growing X bodypart".
Just enjoy training, you won't become a beast anyway.
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My friend, 100% natural and I'm sure about that (I wanna buy this guy some test for his bday, he should friggin explode). He doesn't train arms directly, does only squats for legs, heavy deadlifts and tons of presses.
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Naturals get more benefit from training often? How the fuck did anyone come up with this, juice makes you recover faster so if anyone needs to train more often its the juicers
i think that when someone is a starter he benefits the most from training hard everything once a week but with people who train for years and dont grow much anymore it can surely break some barriers. i used to train arms once a week and now i do them 3/4 times a week haha. maybe ridicilous but i already noticed some major changes.
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has any one here ever actually brought up a weak bodypart ?
I have a strong feeling that it is impossible to do it, you can just make your body bigger in general, but never change proportions.
what do you guys think ?
good question
Arnold brought up his calves quite well, if i remember correctly
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shape will never change, unfortunately, but yes bodyparts can be brought up even after years of training like myself. only with calves and forearms i dont believe in that, you have it or you dont. but i cant deny tom platz and arnolds gains at that department.
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my chest was incredibly flat the first years of training and i thought it would always be,
now its the best part i have together with delts, i still dont know what made the breaktrough.
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my chest was incredibly flat the first years of training and i thought it would always be,
now its the best part i have together with delts, i still dont know what made the breaktrough.
love to tittyf*ck that
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i was just about to say that yesterday, but had no time.
weak bodypart will remain weak bodypart forever.
my chest, somewhat weaker than my shoulders and arms, no matter how i train it, no matter how i focus on flexing it etctc, always even from the most direct chest work,my shoulders and tricps will benefit more.
hell, sometimes, i get a better and fast pump in my BICEPS! when doing bench press or flies.no kidding.
i found the best bodyparts are those where you always always get a good pump straight away,every time.
in the arms, i get pumps even naturaly at any time, straight away after bit flexing.
now, my worst part is my traps by far, i did everything in the world, nothing worked, nothging will.i can shrug quite alot weight with proper form, but it matters...fuck all ;D
oh well, cant have eeverything i guess, atleast im blessed with good arms, fast metabolism and small waist.
bw, i feel steroids make this lagging muscle group issue even worse, as in , they pronounce the problem even more.chest will grow some, but shoulders and tris will grow out of order, making chest even smaller appearing overall.
see evan centipani, surely the guy knows how to train chest and is on plenty gear and knows diet, but its clear his chest will always be piss poor
I get crazy pumps in my chest after something like:
flat bench 3x5
incline light 3x10
dips 3x20
BUT my shoulders still grow better (I do NOT train shoulders)
See, it's not even a matter of what do you stimulate. Shit bodypart will remain shit bodypart :D
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love to tittyf*ck that
thanks bro
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Working muscles Twice a week is a very good thing, especially if natural. Naturals need to work out much more than juicers to really get results.
I do everything twice a week. 3 days hypertrophy specific and 2 days Heavy for Power. Like this:
1.Back and Shoulders Hyper
2.Lower body Hyper
3.Chest and Arms Hyper
4. off
5. Upper Body Power Day-Includes Arms
6. Lower Body Power Day
7.off
It was said that, Serge Nubret (P.I.P) trained everything twice per week.. but his split was high volume
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http://boldanddetermined.com/2011/02/02/serge-nubrets-old-school-workout-routine/
Serge would lift weights 6 days a week and he would hit each muscle group twice per week.
Monday: Chest, Quads and Abs
Tuesday: Back, Hamstrings and Abs
Wednesday: Shoulders, Arms, Calves and Abs
Thursday: Chest, Quads and Abs
Friday: Back, Hamstrings and Abs
Saturday: Shoulders, Arms, Calves and Abs
Sunday: Rest (abs only)
Serge Nubret’s Routine:
Monday:
Quads
Squats – 8 sets of 12 reps
Leg Press – 6 sets of 12 reps
Leg Extension – 6 sets of 12 reps
Chest
Bench Press – 8 sets of 12 reps
Flat Bench Flye’s – 6 sets of 12 reps
Incline Bench Press – 6 sets of 12 reps
Incline Flye’s – 6 sets of 12 reps
Dumbbell Pullovers – 6 sets of 12 reps
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serge nubret is dead
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I tried high volume with lower weights, I lost tons of muscle lol.
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yeah i dont do that shit... Ronnie Colemans trains high volume to me...
I go once per week per body part.
Start with a big movement for that muscle group.. and work down to isolate it
18 sets per body part...
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for calves - yes, for traps - depends
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Will working traps and calves twice a week do any good? Common skinny fat natty iditot
I know people say you should go but the soreness.
But I find working a lagging bodypart as soon as it isn't sore works great. I have hit a lagging body part 3-4 times a week.
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i don't know for many but i feel if ur training on,natural or clean ,,a clean lifter 4x is plenty and i would say train /off plan works like mon/wed/fr/sun routine and drugged as well,,grouping 3on i off or 5/2 clean will put u in the ground recovery time wise for the long haul ,few months ok but as ur normal training no,,,i do mon/wed/thur/sat works ok for me calves/abs are done 2x everything else done heavy/moderate weights/reps depending on day/feel.in the end all up to individual.if ur in gym for 2 hrs as well with those consecutive workouts natural/clean good luck...
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Will working traps and calves twice a week do any good? Common skinny fat natty iditot
Getbiggers don't have lagging muscles....delete account immediately.
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Working muscles Twice a week is a very good thing, especially if natural. Naturals need to work out much more than juicers to really get results.
I do everything twice a week. 3 days hypertrophy specific and 2 days Heavy for Power. Like this:
1.Back and Shoulders Hyper
2.Lower body Hyper
3.Chest and Arms Hyper
4. off
5. Upper Body Power Day-Includes Arms
6. Lower Body Power Day
7.off
I don't think I agree with this. I think natties need to train more intensely, but I think increased frequency is counterproductive because of the longer recovery periods. I would think juicers would need more frequency to sustain their results.
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I don't think I agree with this. I think natties need to train more intensely, but I think increased frequency is counterproductive because of the longer recovery periods. I would think juicers would need more frequency to sustain their results.
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i never have used. But i read that quicker recovery times is one of the reason to juice.
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I don't think I agree with this. I think natties need to train more intensely, but I think increased frequency is counterproductive because of the longer recovery periods. I would think juicers would need more frequency to sustain their results.
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How about joining some Lifetime Natural boards and talk with the top people. You will see that they all train 5-7 days a week and look the best.
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Getbiggers don't have lagging muscles....delete account immediately.
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My chest is a weak part as well, but came up a bit (naturally) doing a powerlifting program hitting it 3x a week with massive volume (Sheiko) ???
Training shit once a week as a natural got me no where. 2-3x a week was best. I guess because of that whole '48 hour anabolic response' thing versus a guy on slin/gh etc that stays anabolic for far longer. I also agree with deceiver on mainly just hitting compounds.
I also notice the body parts that grow best for me are usually body parts I can train with exercises where I feel a deep stretch at some point during the movement...for example it feels like my lats are going to tear off my back during pullups, but I can't feel a stretch in my chest on anything but a specific hammer strength machine when doing presses..my shoulders always take the stress. Hell, I even feel a better stretch in my shoulders doing lateral raises than I do dumbbell presses for chest. Sure enough my lats and shoulders are far better than my chest.
Genetics and structure rule at the end of the day :-\
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How about joining some Lifetime Natural boards and talk with the top people. You will see that they all train 5-7 days a week and look the best.
What can I learn from them apart from how to pass polygraph test and lie smiling?
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How about joining some Lifetime Natural boards and talk with the top people. You will see that they all train 5-7 days a week and look the best.
It's not the consistency of training 5-7 days a week I have issue with...it's the number of times a bodypart is trained within that consistent 5-7 days. I've found the best results come from hitting each bodypart very intensely once every 7 days. For me, after a hard session of any bodypart it takes at least 5 days to be fully recovered. Those using drugs tend to recover more quickly so repeat sessions of a bodypart can be productive whereas repeat seesions of a bodypart within 5-7 days is counterproductive for natties....that's what I've experienced.
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laughing muscles
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I hit each bodypart once a week ,calves twice a week , triceps, forearm,traps and abs never.
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The problem I have when reading threads like this one is the juicers that try to pass as naturals and start giving advice.
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lets call it "not so well developed ,then".
;D
in all seriousness, getbiggers in general lack in most areas and shouldnt be talking and theorizing so much, instead the focus should be on eating and uhh, training at the gym. :D
I don't think getbiggers have issues eating LOL....it's the training part that's difficult........and tending to all the supermodels and counting their billions.