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Title: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: mesmorph78 on March 03, 2013, 11:38:10 AM
(http://www.hugenasser.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/ac-1997-lineup9.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/S2C94Lll_qI/AAAAAAAAGKs/wsXvCQG4_g0/s400/Flex+Wheeler+(1st)+and+Kevin+Levrone+(3rd)+-+2000+Arnold+Classic.jpg)
(http://kepek.tozo.hu/upload/5/Arnold_Classic_1997_014.jpg)



......

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(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_PB70231.jpg)
(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_PB61414_YDAZQSLHWW.jpg)
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_PB60976_XUJIDJONLS.jpg
http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_PB61169_WGTWIVPEIH.jpg


tone looks shrivelled..... .... paluski is pregnant so is dex, johhnies leg looks shrivelled

this is bodybuilding   :-\


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: mesmorph78 on March 03, 2013, 11:56:38 AM
(http://i50.tinypic.com/15mjw9d.jpg)
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2djnxn6.jpg)


 :-\


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: erics on March 03, 2013, 12:06:02 PM
What do you expect?

The judges are destroying bodybuilding.

If a judge, official or any other person commentating on bodybuilding tells you that the judges can only judge what is being presented, slap them in the face and call them out for being a mentally lazy son of a bitch.

When they say that, they are putting the responsibility on the bodybuilders and taking it away from themselves.

Useless fools, the lot of them.


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 03, 2013, 12:08:53 PM
Wao  anyone from this particular line up looks far superior than anyone of this years competetors.

(http://www.hugenasser.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/ac-1997-lineup9.jpg)


Look closely at the pic, cause those days are gone.

maybe its the new icing on the cake now.

WOOSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: Henda on March 03, 2013, 12:35:26 PM
It really has gone to utter shit


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: DroppingPlates on March 03, 2013, 12:41:54 PM
The women were in better shape

(http://www.rebodybuilding.com/forum/attachments/ifbb-women-bodybuilding-shows/413627d1330781449-2012-arnold-classic-women-bodybuilding-results-photos-yaxeni_oriquen_2012_arnold_classic_women_bodybuilding_winner_rebodybuilding.com-2-.jpg)


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: WOOO on March 03, 2013, 12:42:45 PM
It really has gone to utter shit


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: che on March 03, 2013, 12:47:10 PM
It really has gone to utter shit

Long time ago

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1hardgP331qk5bhro1_1280.jpg)
(http://0a.img.v4.skyrock.net/2410/27302410/pics/1181338926.jpg)



Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: Henda on March 03, 2013, 12:56:49 PM
Long time ago

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1hardgP331qk5bhro1_1280.jpg)
(http://0a.img.v4.skyrock.net/2410/27302410/pics/1181338926.jpg)



That really shows how shitty bbing is nowadays.
Look phenominal in the first pic


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: erics on March 03, 2013, 12:57:25 PM
It really has gone to utter shit

Agree.


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: erics on March 03, 2013, 01:02:00 PM
That really shows how shitty bbing is nowadays.
Look phenominal in the first pic

What does someone like Ronnie or Jay say when they see that comparison?

I mean, Ronnie is supposedly the greatest bodybuilder in history. Does he look at that picture and say to himself, "Yeah, but bodybuilding has progress since then. We're bigger and more muscular now."

 ::)


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: Henda on March 03, 2013, 01:31:07 PM
What does someone like Ronnie or Jay say when they see that comparison?

I mean, Ronnie is supposedly the greatest bodybuilder in history. Does he look at that picture and say to himself, "Yeah, but bodybuilding has progress since then. We're bigger and more muscular now."

 ::)

they bareley look human compared to the first pic.
Sure they are big and impressive but they also look like hammered shit in that pose.


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: DroppingPlates on March 03, 2013, 01:34:49 PM
Ben pakman pregoman Pakulski


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: NotSure on March 03, 2013, 01:39:16 PM
Wao  anyone from this particular line up looks far superior than anyone of this years competetors.

(http://www.hugenasser.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/ac-1997-lineup9.jpg)


Look closely at the pic, cause those days are gone.

maybe its the new icing on the cake now.

WOOSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
This goes right down to the local level. They (the NPC) run off all the good competitors with potential to do well.


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: mesmorph78 on March 03, 2013, 02:10:38 PM
the last good year was probably 2000 after that .... it became all garbge....

the stupid ripped glute phenomenon ...
i persoanlly have never looked at a bbers glutes why is that such a huuuuge gactor when the same bodybuilder has a pregnant beer gut....  while being ripped with ripped glutes...





Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: mesmorph78 on March 03, 2013, 02:15:54 PM
What do you expect?

The judges are destroying bodybuilding.

If a judge, official or any other person commentating on bodybuilding tells you that the judges can only judge what is being presented, slap them in the face and call them out for being a mentally lazy son of a bitch.

When they say that, they are putting the responsibility on the bodybuilders and taking it away from themselves.

Useless fools, the lot of them.
agree...100%


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: polychronopolous on March 03, 2013, 02:55:06 PM
"C'mon, turn around and hike up your shorts...don't be shy...let's see those glutes" - Dave Palumbo


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Parker on March 03, 2013, 02:56:26 PM
Ronnie Coleman with a strong V taper, and what appears to be a vacuum?
(http://www.hugenasser.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/ac-1997-lineup9.jpg)


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: Roger Bacon on March 03, 2013, 02:59:59 PM
Long time ago

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1hardgP331qk5bhro1_1280.jpg)




That right there looks like bodybuildings peak to me.


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: slate on March 03, 2013, 03:06:17 PM
the last good year was probably 2000 after that .... it became all garbge....

the stupid ripped glute phenomenon ...
i persoanlly have never looked at a bbers glutes why is that such a huuuuge gactor when the same bodybuilder has a pregnant beer gut....  while being ripped with ripped glutes...


apparently the douche bag gaspari is ultimately responsible for the shredded glute crap- that is they said (as a compliment) when they gave him the lifetime award yesterday


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Roger Bacon on March 03, 2013, 03:08:21 PM
These giant stomachs are the real problem.  The general public must find that disgusting.  No wonder this shit isn't on ESPN anymore.

What causes it?  I've heard enlarged organs?  GH?

???


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: WillGrant on March 03, 2013, 03:08:35 PM
The 90's guys started this mess and they to had big guts , pics being compared from 90's are flexed so looking tight and diff angles - the big guts were there in the 90s , the only thing superior was the condition of the 90s guys - Che's pic is BB, as back in the 80s and pre then BB was not about being as big and freaky as humanly possible and how much you weighed but about creating an illusion and sculpting the perfect physique.

Not many can get away with carrying huge amounts of muscle unless of course you have the structure to carry it - Ced has it and so does Toney so there waists always look tiny..


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: mesmorph78 on March 03, 2013, 03:12:21 PM
The 90's guys started this mess and they to had big guts , pics being compared from 90's are flexed so looking tight and diff angles - the big guts were there in the 90s , the only thing superior was the condition of the 90s guys - Che's pic is BB, as back in the 80s and pre then BB was not about being as big and freaky as humanly possible and how much you weighed but about creating an illusion and sculpting the perfect physique.

Not many can get away with carrying huge amounts of muscle unless of course you have the structure to carry it - Ced has it and so does Toney so there waists always look tiny..


 we can always find and off picture of a bber exhaling
but nothing of the 90's look like those guys at the arnold... its not even distention anymore its puffed out and hanging


even in the ab and thight dexter has a gut
... no comparision to te 90's


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: mesmorph78 on March 03, 2013, 03:18:54 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/S1td0_yKLRI/AAAAAAAAF2g/IfxaSJHQuis/s400/1996_arnold_classic_46_20090827_1313575595.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/S1tcr5CsNNI/AAAAAAAAF1g/tM6XEuito6k/s400/1996_arnold_classic_51_20090827_1286901358.jpg)

(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=32346&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)

(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=32387&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)

people need to stop comparing dex to shawn... shawn is far better


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: WillGrant on March 03, 2013, 03:23:01 PM

 we can always find and off picture of a bber exhaling
but nothing of the 90's look like those guys at the arnold... its not even distention anymore its puffed out and hanging


even in the ab and thight dexter has a gut
... no comparision to te 90's
I do agree that it's now gone to the pack and is just silly, but the 90's to was not completely free of this - it is sad, but I think BB ended in the early 90s - since then it's all about size at all costs, it's progression from each era - with all this extra size the things you must do to achieve it  will have these unsightly side effects unless of course your structure can carry it - most of these guys do not have the structure to carry this extra size and what comes with that huge size is the guts and total unbalance,.

I do agree with you but this did all start in the 90s era and has got progressively worse... PIP BB  :'(


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: 240 is Back on March 03, 2013, 03:23:12 PM
Bodybuilding needs RUHL to return.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: mesmorph78 on March 03, 2013, 03:34:22 PM
I do agree that it's now gone to the pack and is just silly, but the 90's to was not completely free of this - it is sad, but I think BB ended in the early 90s - since then it's all about size at all costs, it's progression from each era - with all this extra size the things you must do to achieve it  will have these unsightly side effects unless of course your structure can carry it - most of these guys do not have the structure to carry this extra size and what comes with that huge size is the guts and total unbalance,.

I do agree with you but this did all start in the 90s era and has got progressively worse... PIP BB  :'(
I agree the gut started in the late 90's but the gut you would rarely see only whe a bber was standing relaxed not posing...
no we see guys with it while doing the ab and thigh..... sad...
(http://i50.tinypic.com/15mjw9d.jpg)
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2djnxn6.jpg)


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Bevo on March 03, 2013, 04:55:43 PM
Yep but "mcway" will argue dex, cutler and even Branch are all better bc they beat all of them and have more titles  ::)

He even thinks dex has bigger and better legs than Shawn and is superior to Shawn cause of his titles  ::)


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 03, 2013, 05:00:47 PM
(http://www.hugenasser.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/ac-1997-lineup9.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/S2C94Lll_qI/AAAAAAAAGKs/wsXvCQG4_g0/s400/Flex+Wheeler+(1st)+and+Kevin+Levrone+(3rd)+-+2000+Arnold+Classic.jpg)
(http://kepek.tozo.hu/upload/5/Arnold_Classic_1997_014.jpg)



......

(http://[youtube]http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_PB61169_WGTWIVPEIH.jpg[/youtube])
(http://oi45.tinypic.com/2qdzgh4.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=461879.0;attach=507823;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=461879.0;attach=507702;image)
(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_PB61231_CYXSJKMRRD.jpg)
(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_PB70231.jpg)
(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_PB61414_YDAZQSLHWW.jpg)
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http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_PB61169_WGTWIVPEIH.jpg


tone looks shrivelled..... .... paluski is pregnant so is dex, johhnies leg looks shrivelled

this is bodybuilding   :-\

No, this is selecetive editing, choosing the best shots from the 90s with the worst shots from today's competitors, as if the 90s guys were completely belly-free. ::)


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: mesmorph78 on March 03, 2013, 05:46:17 PM
not really i posted as i found in the google search. 
coompare the ab and thigh shots
... are even trying to suggest ... the guy level was the same ... come on bro
.... i dont care if dex has bigger legs.... he doesnt flow like shawn
shawn is vastly better...
shawn is symmetrical.. dexter has those over sized arms to a lesser degree than phil
shewns are were in perfect unison with his ....torso... perfect abs
dexters abs look upside down...nroow at the top nd broder at the bottom
he is a short poor mans flex.....
not as good as shawn flex cormier
i dont care how shredded his glutes are....


as for branch he should never even be on  pro bodybuilding stage IMO


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Bevo on March 03, 2013, 06:36:13 PM
not really i posted as i found in the google search. 
coompare the ab and thigh shots
... are even trying to suggest ... the guy level was the same ... come on bro
.... i dont care if dex has bigger legs.... he doesnt flow like shawn
shawn is vastly better...
shawn is symmetrical.. dexter has those over sized arms to a lesser degree than phil
shewns are were in perfect unison with his ....torso... perfect abs
dexters abs look upside down...nroow at the top nd broder at the bottom
he is a short poor mans flex.....
not as good as shawn flex cormier
i dont care how shredded his glutes are....


as for branch he should never even be on  pro bodybuilding stage IMO

U can't argue w/mcway he judges everything on titles cause his brain can't see further then that. His argument will be "he beat this person or this person , deal with it 90's wasn't the greatest"

Yes he is right 90's wasn't the greatest ALL of the past 60's, 70's, 80's, were all leap years better than what we have now.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: mesmorph78 on March 03, 2013, 06:54:10 PM
U can't argue w/mcway he judges everything on titles cause his brain can't see further then that. His argument will be "he beat this person or this person , deal with it 90's wasn't the greatest"

Yes he is right 90's wasn't the greatest ALL of the past 60's, 70's, 80's, were all leap years better than what we have now.
so i guess if shawn roden even wins a sandow
hes better tha flex shawn kevin cormier

 ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: quadzilla456 on March 03, 2013, 08:02:47 PM
What does someone like Ronnie or Jay say when they see that comparison?

I mean, Ronnie is supposedly the greatest bodybuilder in history. Does he look at that picture and say to himself, "Yeah, but bodybuilding has progress since then. We're bigger and more muscular now."

 ::)
One problem is how they stand in that pose. That is not a relaxed pose the way Ronnie and Jay are doing it. They would look better posing like the older guys.


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: quadzilla456 on March 03, 2013, 08:04:04 PM
Long time ago

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1hardgP331qk5bhro1_1280.jpg)
(http://0a.img.v4.skyrock.net/2410/27302410/pics/1181338926.jpg)


Ronnie and Jay would look ten times better if they had just posed like Rory and Paris - more relaxed. Instead of trying ot flare their lats to TREX proportions.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Hulkotron on March 03, 2013, 08:07:44 PM
Ronnie Coleman with a strong V taper, and what appears to be a vacuum?
(http://www.hugenasser.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/ac-1997-lineup9.jpg)

Funny how Ron looks better there than he ever did winning an Olympia yet he probably placed 8th or so.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: arce1988 on March 03, 2013, 08:09:41 PM
(http://www.hugenasser.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/ac-1997-lineup9.jpg)


  Damn


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 03, 2013, 08:13:07 PM
U can't argue w/mcway he judges everything on titles cause his brain can't see further then that. His argument will be "he beat this person or this person , deal with it 90's wasn't the greatest"

Once again, your brain is way off the mark.

My argument is "he beat this person or that person", in part, because the "this person" happens to be those beloved 90s bodybuilders such as Levrone, Cormier, El Sonbaty, Ray, just to name a few.

That's the case with one Jay Cutler, who supplanted Kevin Levrone as the #2 bodybuilder in the world and stayed there, until he finally got Ronnie Coleman and became Mr. Olympia (something Levrone, Ray, Wheeler, Cormier, Schlierkamp, and El Sonbaty never did).

Therefore, based on titles won, competitors defeated to win those titles, AND their actual physiques, I can confidently claim that Jay Cutler and Dexter Jackson are among the greatest bodybuilders of all time.


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: musclecenter on March 03, 2013, 08:13:47 PM
Long time ago

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1hardgP331qk5bhro1_1280.jpg)
(http://0a.img.v4.skyrock.net/2410/27302410/pics/1181338926.jpg)


and can not see that again :-\


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: Hulkster on March 03, 2013, 08:19:27 PM
What does someone like Ronnie or Jay say when they see that comparison?

I mean, Ronnie is supposedly the greatest bodybuilder in history. Does he look at that picture and say to himself, "Yeah, but bodybuilding has progress since then. We're bigger and more muscular now."

 ::)

true but thats ronnie 2005.

look how Ronnie looked when HE won the Arnold Classic: :o


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 03, 2013, 08:19:53 PM
not really i posted as i found in the google search. 
coompare the ab and thigh shots
... are even trying to suggest ... the guy level was the same ... come on bro
.... i dont care if dex has bigger legs.... he doesnt flow like shawn
shawn is vastly better...
shawn is symmetrical.. dexter has those over sized arms to a lesser degree than phil
shewns are were in perfect unison with his ....torso... perfect abs
dexters abs look upside down...nroow at the top nd broder at the bottom
he is a short poor mans flex.....
not as good as shawn flex cormier
i dont care how shredded his glutes are....


as for branch he should never even be on  pro bodybuilding stage IMO

Not on their level? Dex's titles and placings say otherwise, especially when some are at their expense.

Who did Dex defeat for his 3rd ASC title (and his GNC Show of Strength win)? That would be Cormier.

He's either placed near or surpassed them. No, he didn't beat Ray, head to head. However, considering that he amasss four times as many ASCs and obtained the one title Ray did not, I think that makes up the ground on that end.

If Shawn Ray had Dex's mass, to go with his proportions, maybe he'd have a Sandow on his mantle.



Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: arce1988 on March 03, 2013, 08:23:46 PM
  that dex should win and not shawn is a travesty


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 03, 2013, 08:27:46 PM
 that dex should win and not shawn is a travesty

Hey, the judges decided to let a bloated, one-armed, blocky Dorian Yates win it in 1994.

I'll say this: After Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in 2006, that whole "knock-the-champion-out" incumbency stuff with the defending Mr. Olympia went out the door.

That, I believe, is why Jackson won in 2008 when Cutler showed up waterlogged.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: mesmorph78 on March 03, 2013, 08:41:13 PM
Not on their level? Dex's titles and placings say otherwise, especially when some are at their expense.

Who did Dex defeat for his 3rd ASC title (and his GNC Show of Strength win)? That would be Cormier.

He's either placed near or surpassed them. No, he didn't beat Ray, head to head. However, considering that he amasss four times as many ASCs and obtained the one title Ray did not, I think that makes up the ground on that end.

If Shawn Ray had Dex's mass, to go with his proportions, maybe he'd have a Sandow on his mantle.



He beat a Cormier in decline when those guys were on peak
Dexter was an able buyer and would finish behind them all peak vs peak he is not on their level I don't care if he wins 10 sandows


If shawn Rhoden winds a sandow is he better than flex Cormier and Levrone????
 ;D


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 03, 2013, 08:56:02 PM
Must be Awkward for a man known for a legendary physique like Arnold  having to give Trophies with his name on it to the curernt mutan gut competetors on his very own  contest.




WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 03, 2013, 08:58:40 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=461879.0;attach=507823;image)



 ;D


WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHH


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 03, 2013, 09:30:53 PM
He beat a Cormier in decline when those guys were on peak
Dexter was an able buyer and would finish behind them all peak vs peak he is not on their level I don't care if he wins 10 sandows

Cormier beat Jackson the week after the ASC at the San Francisco Pro...not that much of a decline.

And Cormier wasn't on the decline, when Dex beat him at the Show of Strength.

Furthermore, I'd hardly consider Jackson beating at his peak. That would have occured at either the 2008 Mr. Olympia or the 2012 Masters Olympia. Some have argued that, even in defeat, Jackson looked better at the 2009 Olympia than he did winning the previous year.

Those versions of Jackson are quite better than the ones that beat Cormier.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: hazbin on March 03, 2013, 09:32:27 PM
dex looked better ten years ago than now, and he was placing ninth or tenth in the olympia


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 03, 2013, 09:48:19 PM
dex looked better ten years ago than now, and he was placing ninth or tenth in the olympia

8th in 2002; 3rd in 2003. As mentioned earlier, he beat Cormier, Levrone, and Cutler at the Show of Strength.



Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: mesmorph78 on March 03, 2013, 09:59:12 PM
Cormier beat Jackson the week after the ASC at the San Francisco Pro...not that much of a decline.

And Cormier wasn't on the decline, when Dex beat him at the Show of Strength.

Furthermore, I'd hardly consider Jackson beating at his peak. That would have occured at either the 2008 Mr. Olympia or the 2012 Masters Olympia. Some have argued that, even in defeat, Jackson looked better at the 2009 Olympia than he did winning the previous year.

Those versions of Jackson are quite better than the ones that beat Cormier.


After 99 2000Cormier was on decline  when these guys were at the top
Of their game dex wasn't or couldn't even get in the mix
Prime eg 99 Cormier beats any version of dexter EASY


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: the_swami on March 03, 2013, 09:59:54 PM
you look @ the 90's era
its a hall of fame era
i truly believe we'll never see such great BB's ever again

Nasser, shawn, flex, kevin, priest, dillet vince taylor, Coleman etc

the 2013 ASC line up was so weak- these guys are 5th tier


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: arce1988 on March 03, 2013, 10:01:27 PM
the 2013 ASC line up was so weak- these guys are 5th tier


^


THIS!


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: mesmorph78 on March 03, 2013, 10:03:06 PM
you look @ the 90's era
its a hall of fame era
i truly believe we'll never see such great BB's ever again

Nasser, shawn, flex, kevin, priest, dillet vince taylor, Coleman etc

the 2013 ASC line up was so weak- these guys are 5th tier
5 tier is correct freeman Jackson looked shrivelled
Dex is pregnant along with Ben and Haley
Cedric didn't diet he just walked in out the gym


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: arce1988 on March 03, 2013, 10:05:12 PM
  meso just beat the shit out of correct


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: arce1988 on March 03, 2013, 10:21:41 PM
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Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 03, 2013, 10:40:56 PM
After 99 2000Cormier was on decline  when these guys were at the top
Of their game dex wasn't or couldn't even get in the mix
Prime eg 99 Cormier beats any version of dexter EASY


You call three IronMan wins by Cormier (against guys like Flex Wheeler) on the decline?

Cormier was still an elite bodybuilder, placing 3rd at the Olympia in 2002.

Dex was well in the mix against Cormier then and eventually DEFEATED Cormier at the Olympia, at the Show of Strength, and at the ASC.

It seems that you (along with some others) are bent on making excuses as to why these guys (who didn't win the O) were surpassed by Jackson and Cutler, (who eventually DID win the O).




Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: Master Blaster on March 03, 2013, 10:50:23 PM
What does someone like Ronnie or Jay say when they see that comparison?

I mean, Ronnie is supposedly the greatest bodybuilder in history. Does he look at that picture and say to himself, "Yeah, but bodybuilding has progress since then. We're bigger and more muscular now."

 ::)

Just = WRONG


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SlFz_gKpmM8/TMmfxh9f_kI/AAAAAAAAAFA/OabLrW4SF7I/s1600/Mr+O+Ronnie+Coleman.jpg)


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Master Blaster on March 03, 2013, 10:57:33 PM
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Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: cswol on March 03, 2013, 11:06:38 PM
this photo has eddie robinson in it, this had to be about 1993


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Bevo on March 04, 2013, 12:19:53 AM
You call three IronMan wins by Cormier (against guys like Flex Wheeler) on the decline?

Cormier was still an elite bodybuilder, placing 3rd at the Olympia in 2002.

Dex was well in the mix against Cormier then and eventually DEFEATED Cormier at the Olympia, at the Show of Strength, and at the ASC.

It seems that you (along with some others) are bent on making excuses as to why these guys (who didn't win the O) were surpassed by Jackson and Cutler, (who eventually DID win the O).




Dex defeated Ronnie and so did jay.... How bout branch who won 2 AC's he surely is a better bber than Cormier.

One thing u don't understand I'm not surprised is that dex was coming up and while these guys were already coming down, yes they were competitive but certainly not their best , flex was NOTHING to brag about in the early 2000's , levrone either, just cause they were winning some shows here and there mean jack shit cause goes to show how weak comp was.

For a 40 yr old thought u would understand but thinking outside of wins is too difficult for your fragile head u can't comprehend anything past an O win or AC and your only rebuttal is "your precious 90's guys"

Funny on this whole board u are the only one that no one agrees with wonder why? ::)

Your precious dex is starting to look like shit but u can't see past that belly even thinking he doesn't have one, your other hero cutler is just a disgusting pile of crap that future bbers should never follow



Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Bevo on March 04, 2013, 12:26:19 AM
Once again, your brain is way off the mark.

My argument is "he beat this person or that person", in part, because the "this person" happens to be those beloved 90s bodybuilders such as Levrone, Cormier, El Sonbaty, Ray, just to name a few.

That's the case with one Jay Cutler, who supplanted Kevin Levrone as the #2 bodybuilder in the world and stayed there, until he finally got Ronnie Coleman and became Mr. Olympia (something Levrone, Ray, Wheeler, Cormier, Schlierkamp, and El Sonbaty never did).

Therefore, based on titles won, competitors defeated to win those titles, AND their actual physiques, I can confidently claim that Jay Cutler and Dexter Jackson are among the greatest bodybuilders of all time.


Why don't u put branch in there he won 2 AC titles therefore....

Like someone said "from titles won yes but physiques NO"

Lemme ask u if u could look like which of these bbers would u pick cutler or dex over a flex wheeler, Cormier , bob Paris, levrone.... ?? Answer this and don't dodge the question like u always do



Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 04, 2013, 12:27:48 AM
Besides Milos, the only others to blame are the judges. As long as they let them get away with this, the longer it stays around. It's mostly the judging.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Bevo on March 04, 2013, 12:37:55 AM
so i guess if shawn roden even wins a sandow
hes better tha flex shawn kevin cormier

 ;D ;D ;D ;D


Pretty much ;D


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Wiggs on March 04, 2013, 12:49:14 AM
Arnold should use his influence and lay down Thor's Hammer and revamp this mess. Since his political career is over, his movies fucking blow and the whole Mexican Arnold deal, AMI should let him clean this shit up in terms of what is acceptable on an IFBB stage. It would garner huge publicity and it would be good for the sport. A guy can dream.


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: erics on March 04, 2013, 01:48:00 AM
What does someone like Ronnie or Jay say when they see that comparison?

I mean, Ronnie is supposedly the greatest bodybuilder in history. Does he look at that picture and say to himself, "Yeah, but bodybuilding has progress since then. We're bigger and more muscular now."

 ::)

Just = WRONG


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SlFz_gKpmM8/TMmfxh9f_kI/AAAAAAAAAFA/OabLrW4SF7I/s1600/Mr+O+Ronnie+Coleman.jpg)

That's lovely but Ronnie didn't look like that in the comparison photo nor in his last few Olympias.

Thanks for the playing though.


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: Teutonic Knight on March 04, 2013, 04:58:46 AM
Marcus Haley's ballooned midsection is too embarrassing for this sport.



Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: hardgainerj on March 04, 2013, 08:11:44 AM
The women were in better shape

(http://www.rebodybuilding.com/forum/attachments/ifbb-women-bodybuilding-shows/413627d1330781449-2012-arnold-classic-women-bodybuilding-results-photos-yaxeni_oriquen_2012_arnold_classic_women_bodybuilding_winner_rebodybuilding.com-2-.jpg)
put a dick in it


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 04, 2013, 08:47:44 AM
Dex defeated Ronnie and so did jay.... How bout branch who won 2 AC's he surely is a better bber than Cormier.

One thing u don't understand I'm not surprised is that dex was coming up and while these guys were already coming down, yes they were competitive but certainly not their best , flex was NOTHING to brag about in the early 2000's , levrone either, just cause they were winning some shows here and there mean jack shit cause goes to show how weak comp was.

They weren't just winning shows here and there. They were placing high at the Olympia in the early 2000s, just as they were in the 90s (Levrone placed 2nd TWICE). And they were doing so against their peers from the 90s along with newer competitors. Or did you forget that, as well?

:-[

For a 40 yr old thought u would understand but thinking outside of wins is too difficult for your fragile head u can't comprehend anything past an O win or AC and your only rebuttal is "your precious 90's guys"



Funny on this whole board u are the only one that no one agrees with wonder why? ::)

Your precious dex is starting to look like shit but u can't see past that belly even thinking he doesn't have one, your other hero cutler is just a disgusting pile of crap that future bbers should never follow



I must have missed the memo about not being able to make my point, unless othere people agree with me.

Your comments about Dex are beyond ridiculous. Even your precious 90s heroes (Flex Wheeler and Shawn Ray, for example) have praised Dex for his re-emergence. They say he's looks terrific, even better than when he won the real Olympia. Ray referred to Jackson as the Albert Beckles of this generation. Wheeler was honored to have Jackson tie his ASC record (a bold prediction he made, shortly after Dex won the Masters).

So, while Wheeler, Ray, and even Dennis James can give Dexter Jackson his due, folks like you continue to spew nonsense.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 04, 2013, 08:55:54 AM
Why don't u put branch in there he won 2 AC titles therefore....

Like someone said "from titles won yes but physiques NO"

Therefore what.....

It appears you don't read very well. I don't make my statements based SOLELY on titles.

I based them on titles, physiques, and level of competiton. Despite my saying that MULTIPLE TIMES, you keep repeating this foolishness.


In fact, just to show how silly your Branch Warren obsession is, I never claimed that Warren was among the greatest of all times or even better than Cormier.

Jackson and Cutler, on the other hand......

- They've beaten Cormier multiple times
- Won ASCs at his expense
- Placed higher than him at the Olympia
- Gone on to WIN the Oympia

Gee, I wonder why I'd ranked those two above the "Real Deal".  ::)



Lemme ask u if u could look like which of these bbers would u pick cutler or dex over a flex wheeler, Cormier , bob Paris, levrone.... ?? Answer this and don't dodge the question like u always do


PLEASE!!! The last thing I do is dodge questions from the likes of you.


I would pick Dex or Jay Cutler particularly Dex's 2005-2008 form or Culter, circa 2006


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: Rudee on March 04, 2013, 10:37:08 AM
put a dick in it

Bigger calves than Wolf's.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Palpatine Q on March 04, 2013, 11:14:55 AM
So by your genius logic Leon Spinks and Larry Holmes were better boxers than Muhummad Ali

and Buster Douglas was a better boxer than Mike Tyson


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Disgusted on March 04, 2013, 11:17:07 AM
They all look terrible. Dexter's abs shoot out at a 45 degree angle at his navel when relaxed and everyone looks smooth to some degree or another. They all have big guts with tiny legs with the exception of some of the younger guys who haven't yet been transformed with the dreaded GH Slin combo.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 04, 2013, 11:17:54 AM
So by your genius logic Leon Spinks was a better boxer than Muhummad Ali

and Buster Douglas was a better boxer than Mike Tyson

It seems we have another here who can't comprehend the simplest of concepts.

What part of "titles, physiques, and level of competiton" don't you understand?

At NO TIME did I make my statements based solely on one factor. Not merely on titles, not merely on head-to-head matchup, not merely on physiques.

Are you and Bevo sharing the same brain? If so, get a refund and split the difference.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Palpatine Q on March 04, 2013, 11:19:54 AM
It seems we have another here who can't comprehend the simplest of concepts.

What part of "titles, physiques, and level of competiton" don't you understand?

At NO TIME did I make my statements based solely on one factor. Not merely on titles, not merely on head-to-head matchup, not merely on physiques.

Are you and Bevo sharing the same brain? If so, get a refund and split the difference.


was Larry Holmes a better fighter than Muhuammad Ali ?

better record, beat him in competition and held the title longer


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: njflex on March 04, 2013, 11:20:50 AM
They all look terrible. Dexter's abs shoot out at a 45 degree angle at his navel when relaxed and everyone looks smooth to some degree or another. They all have big guts with tiny legs with the exception of some of the younger guys who haven't yet been transformed with the dreaded GH Slin combo.
just yrs and yrs of same protocols i guess or taking more/combo's,,or just body burn out ,,took gaspari 5 yrs to do it..


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 04, 2013, 11:22:27 AM
was Larry Holmes a better fighter than Muhuammad Ali ?

better record, beat him in competition and held the title longer

I could have sworn we were talking about bodybuilders here.

Not to mention, unlike Holmes in boxing, Cormier, Ray, Wheeler, and Levrone never held "the title" in bodybuilding.



Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Disgusted on March 04, 2013, 11:30:01 AM
just yrs and yrs of same protocols i guess or taking more/combo's,,or just body burn out ,,took gaspari 5 yrs to do it..

Gaspari just stopped responding due to many years of high dosages from a young age. These guys today wouldn't look all that bad if they would just concentrate on plain old anabolics. GH abuse and Slin are the downfall of BB.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Palpatine Q on March 04, 2013, 11:40:03 AM
I could have sworn we were talking about bodybuilders here.

we are...it's called "an analogy"..and it's a perfect one.

both are judged and are subjective.

both are known to have BULLSHIT decisions ( Cutler beating Cormier at the 03 Arnold...this board almost crashed with people saying how fucked up it was )

both have guys who were great in their prime, and then fall off and get beat by lesser opponents.

and level of competition isn't a recordable stat, but those of us who look at it objectively recognize that it is a huge factor.

Larry Holmes beat Muhammad ali. Ali went on to win a few other fights, and Holmes was a great Champion. But no one in their right mind would say Holmes was better than Ali. he fought tomato cans, while Ali fought in the most competitive era in heavyweight history.

lots of parallels.
 
And yes, they never held THE title becuase the "ALIS" of their sport were in the way. Yates and Coleman.

If Yates and Coleman's careers were shifted ten years forward NONE of those guys would have won a damn thing, just like Flex, Chris and Shawn didn't . They  had to deal with the two greatest Bodybuilders of all Time....today's top guys face bloated abominations.

This is the part where you say "but X beat Y so he's better"


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Figo on March 04, 2013, 11:45:51 AM
I do agree that it's now gone to the pack and is just silly, but the 90's to was not completely free of this - it is sad, but I think BB ended in the early 90s - since then it's all about size at all costs, it's progression from each era - with all this extra size the things you must do to achieve it  will have these unsightly side effects unless of course your structure can carry it - most of these guys do not have the structure to carry this extra size and what comes with that huge size is the guts and total unbalance,.

I do agree with you but this did all start in the 90s era and has got progressively worse... PIP BB  :'(

Structure

Levrone, nasser, DILLET, flex, shawn

Those guys pictured in this thread had the structure, and carried serious size properly. Flex and Shawn could carry 230 & 210 lbs on their frames, and that's what they did. Imagine what they'd look like at 280 & 250

Also, real muscle. Real muscle built with hormones,supplemented with slin, gh, and smart use of oil
Nowdays, no base, they boatload everything from day one, that's why they look bloated, separated yet smooth, defined yet glazed, vascular but not vaccuum packed dry


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Figo on March 04, 2013, 11:52:15 AM
was Larry Holmes a better fighter than Muhuammad Ali ?

better record, beat him in competition and held the title longer

Good analogy


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on March 04, 2013, 11:56:46 AM
When Getbig doesn't like the current pro crop, nobody does. The stupid IFBB and Weider clowns are losing a lot of money just from these bloated clowns, which no fans wish to support or pay to see. Smart move.  ::)


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Figo on March 04, 2013, 11:58:54 AM
Gaspari just stopped responding due to many years of high dosages from a young age. These guys today wouldn't look all that bad if they would just concentrate on plain old anabolics. GH abuse and Slin are the downfall of BB.

Exactly

And key word is "abuse"

Guys were "using"slin and gh for many years, 80s already, but when abuse kicked in, it changed.
I think abuse started with Fux, Nasser, Ruhl.
Then Ronnie, Jay, etc took it another notch. But Ronnie could pull it off.
Heath, Kai, etc are not Ronnie


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 04, 2013, 12:19:22 PM
we are...it's called "an analogy"..and it's a perfect one.

both are judged and are subjective.

both are known to have BULLSHIT decisions ( Cutler beating Cormier at the 03 Arnold...this board almost crashed with people saying how fucked up it was )

both have guys who were great in their prime, and then fall off and get beat by lesser opponents.

No, it's not a perfect analogy, for the reason I posted (which you may have missed, since I edited my post.

Those men didn't win the big one. Cutler and Jackson did.



and level of competition isn't a recordable stat, but those of us who look at it objectively recognize that it is a huge factor.

Larry Holmes beat Muhammad ali. Ali went on to win a few other fights, and Holmes was a great Champion. But no one in their right mind would say Holmes was better than Ali. he fought tomato cans, while Ali fought in the most competitive era in heavyweight history.

lots of parallels.
 
And yes, they never held THE title becuase the "ALIS" of their sport were in the way. Yates and Coleman.

However, Cutler surpassed those guys, supplanting Levrone as the #2 bodybuilder in the world. Eventually, he got to Ronnie and became Mr. O.

In other words, Jay not only beat them. But, he did what they couldn't.


If Yates and Coleman's careers were shifted ten years forward NONE of those guys would have won a damn thing, just like Flex, Chris and Shawn didn't . They  had to deal with the two greatest Bodybuilders of all Time....today's top guys face bloated abominations.

This is the part where you say "but X beat Y so he's better"

Listen to what you just said about subjective decisions. You complain about Cutler's win over Cormier over the Arnold Classic. Yet, there are crickets, when it comes to some of Yates' wins, most notably 1994.

If their careers where shifted 10 years forward, Yates' Sandow count would be cut in half. And that of Ronnie by 25%.

WHY? The whole incumbency "knock-the-champ-out" mess is gone.

BTW - there were plenty of "bloated abominations" during the Yates and Coleman era (including Yates and Coleman, themselves). Do the names, Jean-Pierre Fux, Aaron Baker, Paul Dillett, Orville Burke, Markus Ruhl, (just to name a few) ring a bell?


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Palpatine Q on March 04, 2013, 01:24:23 PM
No, it's not a perfect analogy, for the reason I posted (which you may have missed, since I edited my post.

Those men didn't win the big one. Cutler and Jackson did.

However, Cutler surpassed those guys, supplanting Levrone as the #2 bodybuilder in the world. Eventually, he got to Ronnie and became Mr. O.

In other words, Jay not only beat them. But, he did what they couldn't.

Listen to what you just said about subjective decisions. You complain about Cutler's win over Cormier over the Arnold Classic. Yet, there are crickets, when it comes to some of Yates' wins, most notably 1994.

If their careers where shifted 10 years forward, Yates' Sandow count would be cut in half. And that of Ronnie by 25%.

WHY? The whole incumbency "knock-the-champ-out" mess is gone.

BTW - there were plenty of "bloated abominations" during the Yates and Coleman era (including Yates and Coleman, themselves). Do the names, Jean-Pierre Fux, Aaron Baker, Paul Dillett, Orville Burke, Markus Ruhl, (just to name a few) ring a bell?


None of those guys are considered "legends" of the sport....and were not serious olympia  threats. with the exception of Dillet, and that's based on his ridiculous genetics only...and calling him "bloated" is comical

Jay's first mr Olympia competition was 1999..... he placed 14th. turned pro in 96 and didn't step onstage for two years

Flex,Chris, shawn and Kevin and Ronnie... were already long time veterans  coming to the end of their "prime years".  by the early 2000s when Jay hit his prime...they were on the way out... he's 7 years younger than them.  Most bodybuliders, the vast majority, have a three or four year "window" where they look amazing...then they are never the same and competing on their reputation.  Shawn Ray and chris Cormier are two exceptions actually, and looked great for a long time...especially shawn, he competed against two generations of Bodybuilders at the highest level. Dexter as well and he is among the best IMO, but Dex didn't turn pro until 1998. again, 5 years after the "90's guys"

 By the time Jay had hit his stride, in 2001...Cormier was a 9 year veteran. and he still smoked Cutler at the Arnold, it's common knowledge.

also when jay "finally got to Ronnie".....Ronnie had a torn tricep and lat, and was competing for 15 years...he was done.

Jay is a later generation BBer than the 90's guys...he was a very late 90's- early 2000's guy.  he only competed against them for a few years, when they were all veterans in their late 30's and he was just hitting his absolute prime.


it's Funny because the 2001 version of Jay Cutler would destroy the 2006 version that won the Mr. Olympia...and the 2009 version as well. what does that tell you?


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: njflex on March 04, 2013, 02:11:38 PM

None of those guys are considered "legends" of the sport....and were not serious olympia  threats. with the exception of Dillet, and that's based on his ridiculous genetics only...and calling him "bloated" is comical

Jay's first mr Olympia competition was 1999..... he placed 14th. turned pro in 96 and didn't step onstage for two years

Flex,Chris, shawn and Kevin and Ronnie... were already long time veterans  coming to the end of their "prime years".  by the early 2000s when Jay hit his prime...they were on the way out... he's 7 years younger than them.  Most bodybuliders, the vast majority, have a three or four year "window" where they look amazing...then they are never the same and competing on their reputation.  Shawn Ray and chris Cormier are two exceptions actually, and looked great for a long time...especially shawn, he competed against two generations of Bodybuilders at the highest level. Dexter as well and he is among the best IMO, but Dex didn't turn pro until 1998. again, 5 years after the "90's guys"

 By the time Jay had hit his stride, in 2001...Cormier was a 9 year veteran. and he still smoked Cutler at the Arnold, it's common knowledge.

also when jay "finally got to Ronnie".....Ronnie had a torn tricep and lat, and was competing for 15 years...he was done.

Jay is a later generation BBer than the 90's guys...he was a very late 90's- early 2000's guy.  he only competed against them for a few years, when they were all veterans in their late 30's and he was just hitting his absolute prime.


it's Funny because the 2001 version of Jay Cutler would destroy the 2006 version that won the Mr. Olympia...and the 2009 version as well. what does that tell you?
WORD,,,,cutler made big strides and had the size and look needed in his prime...


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: arce1988 on March 04, 2013, 02:20:39 PM
  holmes beat an ancient and shot ali


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 04, 2013, 03:10:53 PM

None of those guys are considered "legends" of the sport....and were not serious olympia  threats. with the exception of Dillet, and that's based on his ridiculous genetics only...and calling him "bloated" is comical

Can you say 1999 NOC, where he nearly got booed out of the building, after winning the show while being great with child?



Jay's first mr Olympia competition was 1999..... he placed 14th. turned pro in 96 and didn't step onstage for two years

Yet, in two years, he went fro 14th to 2nd and basically stayed there, until he won the title.



Flex,Chris, shawn and Kevin and Ronnie... were already long time veterans  coming to the end of their "prime years".  by the early 2000s when Jay hit his prime...they were on the way out... he's 7 years younger than them.  Most bodybuliders, the vast majority, have a three or four year "window" where they look amazing...then they are never the same and competing on their reputation.  Shawn Ray and chris Cormier are two exceptions actually, and looked great for a long time...especially shawn, he competed against two generations of Bodybuilders at the highest level. Dexter as well and he is among the best IMO, but Dex didn't turn pro until 1998. again, 5 years after the "90's guys"

End of prime years? Coleman wins 6 Olympias in the 2000s; Levrone placed seond twice. Cormier wins 3 Ironman titles (among others). You call that the end of prime years?



 By the time Jay had hit his stride, in 2001...Cormier was a 9 year veteran. and he still smoked Cutler at the Arnold, it's common knowledge.

also when jay "finally got to Ronnie".....Ronnie had a torn tricep and lat, and was competing for 15 years...he was done.

That's Ronnie's problem (BTW, I thought it was nerve damage). Even with that, he was the favorite to win 2006 and surpassed Haney.



Jay is a later generation BBer than the 90's guys...he was a very late 90's- early 2000's guy.  he only competed against them for a few years, when they were all veterans in their late 30's and he was just hitting his absolute prime.

Jay isn't as far removed from Ronnie as you make it sound. It's about 5 years.

Ronnie won six of his eight Sandows in the 2000s. So, you could argue that he's a 2000s bodybuilder, just like Jay. Haney is considered an 80s bodybuilder, even though he won his last two Olympia in the early 90s.



it's Funny because the 2001 version of Jay Cutler would destroy the 2006 version that won the Mr. Olympia...and the 2009 version as well. what does that tell you?

It tells me you need bi-focals. ;D.

If Cutler had that 2009 look in 2001, Coleman would have fallen 5 years earlier, than he did.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: mesmorph78 on March 04, 2013, 03:27:04 PM
brother mcway for me the way to compare these bodybuilders is simpe ....

prime dex vs prime shawn kevin cormier......
has dexter ever in his dreams looked better than cormier 99...... no way....


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 04, 2013, 03:44:15 PM
brother mcway for me the way to compare these bodybuilders is simpe ....

prime dex vs prime shawn kevin cormier......
has dexter ever in his dreams looked better than cormier 99...... no way....


I beg to differ. 2008 ASC and 2008 Olympia.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: mesmorph78 on March 04, 2013, 03:49:57 PM
I beg to differ. 2008 ASC and 2008 Olympia.


Well we are gonna have to disagree there because gentetically Cormier already shots all over dexter structure wise so in my book Cormier is superior
And dexter has weakness was Cormier had none


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Papper on March 04, 2013, 03:53:57 PM
Say what you want but if they equaled in muscle, Cormier is still pretty big next to Jackson.

And isn't Dex missing calves by the way?

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meekw5ZUce1rs4ej4o1_400.jpg)


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: KevinP85 on March 04, 2013, 06:09:54 PM
Funny how no one agrees with mcway, lol. I wonder why?

It's like someone keeps getting owned but comes back for more.  ;D

You are on your own buddy, must be some good debates with your own "iron buddies," at the table and you're the only one no one agrees with.

Here's one, do you think Buster Douglas is a better boxer than Tyson? ;)


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Bevo on March 04, 2013, 06:19:38 PM
Therefore what.....

It appears you don't read very well. I don't make my statements based SOLELY on titles.

I based them on titles, physiques, and level of competiton. Despite my saying that MULTIPLE TIMES, you keep repeating this foolishness.


In fact, just to show how silly your Branch Warren obsession is, I never claimed that Warren was among the greatest of all times or even better than Cormier.

Jackson and Cutler, on the other hand......

- They've beaten Cormier multiple times
- Won ASCs at his expense
- Placed higher than him at the Olympia
- Gone on to WIN the Oympia

Gee, I wonder why I'd ranked those two above the "Real Deal".  ::)

PLEASE!!! The last thing I do is dodge questions from the likes of you.


I would pick Dex or Jay Cutler particularly Dex's 2005-2008 form or Culter, circa 2006

I bet u are the kind of guy that believes moody is natural and so is Chris faildo cause they told ya so.....

Branch is valid comparison cause going by your nonsense he won the Arnold 2X and Chris hasn't...

Btw , again ray has NEVER lost to dex so therefore ray is better

What u r not gettig is even though levrone and Cormier was placing great obviously don't mean jack cause levrone didn't look good at all in the early 2000's compared to mid late 90's , Cormier up to 2001 or so but 99 was his best, wheeler was long gone... Ray retired....

Take this put ALL of them in their prime yrs and dex and cutler would lose to all of them





Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: arce1988 on March 04, 2013, 06:24:34 PM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meekw5ZUce1rs4ej4o1_400.jpg)


 Chris > Dexter


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: The_Punisher on March 04, 2013, 06:48:30 PM
I was Hesitant to buy ticket to see this show, I was right, I didn't miss anything. these fans deserve better than this. the men's finals used to be the crown jewel of the Arnold's 3 day weekend.....damn, these line up needs improvement...seriously


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: old-school-lifter on March 04, 2013, 06:49:29 PM
Gaspari just stopped responding due to many years of high dosages from a young age. These guys today wouldn't look all that bad if they would just concentrate on plain old anabolics. GH abuse and Slin are the downfall of BB.

add to that IGF 1


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: The_Punisher on March 04, 2013, 06:50:16 PM
(http://i50.tinypic.com/15mjw9d.jpg)
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2djnxn6.jpg)


 :-\


this is truly Sad....damn, I'm a fan of bodybuilding, but someone has to see  that bodybuilding needs some work man....the dude can't even suck in his abs (or whatever he has there) for a pose...that's how bad things had gotten


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: arce1988 on March 04, 2013, 06:56:06 PM
  HUGE GUTS


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: jude2 on March 04, 2013, 07:51:40 PM
That really shows how shitty bbing is nowadays.
Look phenominal in the first pic
That shows the difference of genetics with steroids and just a ton of all kinds of drugs to be big.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 04, 2013, 10:20:37 PM

Well we are gonna have to disagree there because gentetically Cormier already shots all over dexter structure wise so in my book Cormier is superior
And dexter has weakness was Cormier had none

Cormier's weakness was his condition, which would explain (in part) why Dex beat him at the Show of Strength and the ASC.


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: MCWAY on March 04, 2013, 10:22:33 PM

this is truly Sad....damn, I'm a fan of bodybuilding, but someone has to see  that bodybuilding needs some work man....the dude can't even suck in his abs (or whatever he has there) for a pose...that's how bad things had gotten

Well, Dorian won two Olympias and Ronnie won at least one with that same belly thing. Dillet won the '99 NOC, being great with child. Either you punish them all or you let it slide.


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: The_Punisher on March 05, 2013, 08:14:19 AM
Well, Dorian won two Olympias and Ronnie won at least one with that same belly thing. Dillet won the '99 NOC, being great with child. Either you punish them all or you let it slide.


it seems like it's almost getting out of hands here


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: GigantorX on March 05, 2013, 08:26:08 AM
5 tier is correct freeman Jackson looked shrivelled
Dex is pregnant along with Ben and Haley
Cedric didn't diet he just walked in out the gym


This was one of the worst lineups I have ever seen at a supposed "Top Tier" show, this shit belonged at a local show or something much, much smaller. No one was in shape, not a single person. The belly's were absolutely gigantic but it seems that belly size is not proportional to quality of physique.

And ARCE, what was with the Caverject usage? I know what it's actual purpose is for but what would it do for a bber? General injection or site injection? Either way, it didn't seem to have helped Ben Pakulski not look like crap.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: The_Punisher on March 05, 2013, 08:36:18 AM
the Biggest dissapointment of the night was that Cedric failed to show up prepared for this show......I thought this dude was gonna kick ass, giving the lineup that was onstage, but I hate to see Cedric having his ass handed to him this way....better luck next time, Big Man.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 05, 2013, 10:05:30 AM
Funny how no one agrees with mcway, lol. I wonder why?

It's like someone keeps getting owned but comes back for more.  ;D

You are on your own buddy, must be some good debates with your own "iron buddies," at the table and you're the only one no one agrees with.

Here's one, do you think Buster Douglas is a better boxer than Tyson? ;)

As if I care that no one agrees with me...Booo, hoo, hoo!! ::)

It's OK to parrot the absurd, as long as you have buddies to mimick your squawking.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Bevo on March 05, 2013, 10:12:31 AM
As if I care that no one agrees with me...Booo, hoo, hoo!! ::)

It's OK to parrot the absurd, as long as you have buddies to mimick your squawking.


It's absurd only in your delusional mind

U wish u had the physique kev has, y'all should post up pics and see who's better :D


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: njflex on March 05, 2013, 10:13:46 AM
It's absurd only in your delusional mind

U wish u had the physique kev has, y'all should post up pics and see who's better :D
HE LOOKS AWESOME,,,


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 05, 2013, 10:15:30 AM
I bet u are the kind of guy that believes moody is natural and so is Chris faildo cause they told ya so.....

Branch is valid comparison cause going by your nonsense he won the Arnold 2X and Chris hasn't...

Once again, when your silly points get shot to the ground, you dredge up mess that has nothing to do with the subject at hand. One more time, I do NOT make my statements, based solely on titles won. You're of the daft belief that repeated belching this foolishness makes it so.

You simply can't grasp the simple fact that both Jackson and Cutler DEFEATED Cormier, head-to-head, while he was still among the elite bodybuilders on the planet. And, they won (at his expense) the two biggest titles in bodybuilding.



Btw , again ray has NEVER lost to dex so therefore ray is better

Your sense-bereft skull can't grasp the simple faact that I don't make judgment, based solely on head-to-head matchups.



What u r not gettig is even though levrone and Cormier was placing great obviously don't mean jack cause levrone didn't look good at all in the early 2000's compared to mid late 90's , Cormier up to 2001 or so but 99 was his best, wheeler was long gone... Ray retired....

DEAD WRONG AGAIN!! Levrone didn't look good at all? He looked so bad, he placed 2nd at the Mr. O TWICE, in the early 2000s.  ::)

Ray retired, because he felt he could never win the Olympia, by his own admission. Dex, on the other hand, kept perserving. Guess what!! HE WON the Olympia.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 05, 2013, 10:18:42 AM
It's absurd only in your delusional mind

U wish u had the physique kev has, y'all should post up pics and see who's better :D

Yet again, you keep dredging up crap that has ZILCH to do with the subject at hand. Nobody is debating whether Levrone has a better physique than I do.

In fact, you're right. I'd be thrilled were I able to achieve such a feat. But, that has NOTHING to do with the subject at hand, namely that he never won the Olympia and Cutler and Jackson have, beating him at the Olympia in the process.

In the particular case of Cutler, he knocked Levrone off the perch as the #2 bodybuilder in the world. Pointing that out, in no way or fashion, is a knock on how great Kevin Levrone is, in his own right.



Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Bevo on March 05, 2013, 10:24:25 AM
Once again, when your silly points get shot to the ground, you dredge up mess that has nothing to do with the subject at hand. One more time, I do NOT make my statements, based solely on titles won. You're of the daft belief that repeated belching this foolishness makes it so.

You simply can't grasp the simple fact that both Jackson and Cutler DEFEATED Cormier, head-to-head, while he was still among the elite bodybuilders on the planet. And, they won (at his expense) the two biggest titles in bodybuilding.

Your sense-bereft skull can't grasp the simple faact that I don't make judgment, based solely on head-to-head matchups.

DEAD WRONG AGAIN!! Levrone didn't look good at all. He loked so bad, he placed 2nd at the Mr. O TWICE, in the early 2000s.  ::)

Ray retired, because he felt he could never win the Olympia, by his own admission. Dex, on the other hand, kept perserving. Guess what!! HE WON the Olympia.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

All I'm going to say is PRIME VS PRIME is the only solution

U r soooo delusional that u are the one that can't grasp what me and others are telling U!

Even if levrone was placing second he DID NOT i repeat DID NOT look as good as he did in the 90's and u know as I know that flex wheeler was a mess by then

Ray turned pro in 1987 I believe! Competed at the high level for how long waaaay before dex or cutler turned pro.

Have u ever competed before??? U know there's a lot of something called politics?? Cutler shouldn't have even won half of those O wins and his AC title from Cormier.... So u really think that all his wins were not gifted??

Btw

Branch > Wolf  ;D

Branch won the AC over wolf therefore branch is better ::)



Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: che on March 05, 2013, 10:27:19 AM
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Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Bevo on March 05, 2013, 10:29:20 AM
Yet again, you keep dredging up crap that has ZILCH to do with the subject at hand. Nobody is debating whether Levrone has a better physique than I do.

In fact, you're right. I'd be thrilled were I able to achieve such a feat. But, that has NOTHING to do with the subject at hand, namely that he never won the Olympia and Cutler and Jackson have, beating him at the Olympia in the process.

In the particular case of Cutler, he knocked Levrone off the perch as the #2 bodybuilder in the world. Pointing that out, in no way or fashion, is a knock on how great Kevin Levrone is, in his own right.





Look just keep preaching and again there is a REASON no one agrees with u, not just here on getbig but I'm willing to bet anywhere else. What does that say about your observations??

U r quite the idiot "not based on titles " ok

Ray > dex since when they competed dex never beat him therefore....

But I remember u saying doesn't matter what titles shawn has won even though they went head to head since dex has an O so dex wins.. This is from u , getting to old to remember I see ;)


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Palpatine Q on March 05, 2013, 10:35:02 AM
As if I care that no one agrees with me...Booo, hoo, hoo!! ::)

It's OK to parrot the absurd, as long as you have buddies to mimick your squawking.


It doesn't matter if you "care" or not.


Your opinion gets no traction and has no support, the vast majority disagrees with you..and being that you are no smarter or more knowledgeable about bodybuilding than anyone else here...I would say you are wrong.

Just because you won't acknowledge it and argue tooth and nail doesn't change the fact.

you also argued tooth and nail about Mitt Romney, and it turned out you were dead wrong there too


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 05, 2013, 10:50:16 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

All I'm going to say is PRIME VS PRIME is the only solution

U r soooo delusional that u are the one that can't grasp what me and others are telling U!

So which version of Cutler is the "prime" one? I'd say 2009. That Cutler would crush any version of Cormier, including the 1999 one. Too big, too massive, too ripped!!!



Even if levrone was placing second he DID NOT i repeat DID NOT look as good as he did in the 90's and u know as I know that flex wheeler was a mess by then

Ray turned pro in 1987 I believe! Competed at the high level for how long waaaay before dex or cutler turned pro.

Have u ever competed before??? U know there's a lot of something called politics?? Cutler shouldn't have even won half of those O wins and his AC title from Cormier.... So u really think that all his wins were not gifted??

Which one? He beat Cormier three times at the ASC.

I could say the same for Dorian Yates and half of his wins. In fact, if there's one Olympia that Ray should have won, it's 1994.

It's safe to say that there's not one top bodybuilder who hasn't been accused of winning a show he didn't deserve to win (Cormier included).

I know when Ray turned pro. By his second Olympia appearance, he was in the top 10, which is awesome. So, too, were Jackson and Cutler.




Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Bevo on March 05, 2013, 10:57:29 AM
So which version of Cutler is the "prime" one? I'd say 2009. That Cutler would crush any version of Cormier, including the 1999 one. Too big, too massive, too ripped!!!

Which one? He beat Cormier three times at the ASC.

I could say the same for Dorian Yates and half of his wins. In fact, if there's one Olympia that Ray should have won, it's 1994.

It's safe to say that there's not one top bodybuilder who hasn't been accused of winning a show he didn't deserve to win (Cormier included).

I know when Ray turned pro. By his second Olympia appearance, he was in the top 10, which is awesome. So, too, were Jackson and Cutler.




Ok 2001 jay was his best showing ,  and 2004 AC win over Cormier

Yes there are shows that a lot of bbers shouldn't have won but I  am stating cutler in this particular case. Def should have lost 2 of them , 2006 and 2007..

Do u agree that cutler won all his contests fair?


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 05, 2013, 01:31:55 PM


Look just keep preaching and again there is a REASON no one agrees with u, not just here on getbig but I'm willing to bet anywhere else. What does that say about your observations??

U r quite the idiot "not based on titles " ok

Are you really this dumb, or is this a special performanace. I said my statements were not based SOLELY on titles won.



Ray > dex since when they competed dex never beat him therefore....

But I remember u saying doesn't matter what titles shawn has won even though they went head to head since dex has an O so dex wins.. This is from u , getting to old to remember I see ;)

I said nothing of the sort. I suggest you buy a clue. Even in this economy, they're quite cheap.

By your logic, Yates would be greater than Coleman, as he's 5-0 against Coleman at the Olympia (despite the fact that Coleman has 8 to his 6 Sandows).



Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 05, 2013, 01:38:08 PM
Ok 2001 jay was his best showing ,  and 2004 AC win over Cormier

Yes there are shows that a lot of bbers shouldn't have won but I  am stating cutler in this particular case. Def should have lost 2 of them , 2006 and 2007..

Do u agree that cutler won all his contests fair?

Not necessarily!! But, as I said, that's the case for a lot of top bodybuilders, including Cormier.

2006, he beat Ronnie straight up.

If there's an Olympia that perhaps should not have gone his way, besides 2007, it's the last one he won in 2010.




Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 05, 2013, 01:46:11 PM
It doesn't matter if you "care" or not.


Your opinion gets no traction and has no support, the vast majority disagrees with you..and being that you are no smarter or more knowledgeable about bodybuilding than anyone else here...I would say you are wrong.

Just because you won't acknowledge it and argue tooth and nail doesn't change the fact.

you also argued tooth and nail about Mitt Romney, and it turned out you were dead wrong there too

Notwithstanding this has zip to do with Romney, I argued that he'd be better for this country than Obama was. And, it turns out I was right, because the disasters that would fall on this country via a second Obama term are hitting, almost exactly as predicted.

And, we're barely into his second term.

Did or did not Cutler and Jackson defeat the likes of Levrone, Ray, Cormier, Wheeler, et. al., while they were STILL among the elite in bodybuilding?

Did they or did they not win the one title that those men could not win, Mr. Olympia?

Since you obviously know the answers to that, your claim that Cutler and Jackson aren't among the best of all time is beyond absurd. You and Bevo act as if those 90s guys suddenly turned into Ken Joneses and Jocelyn Peltiers, when Cutler and Jackson started defeating them.



Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: Ronnie Rep on March 05, 2013, 02:01:08 PM
Wao  anyone from this particular line up looks far superior than anyone of this years competetors.

(http://www.hugenasser.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/ac-1997-lineup9.jpg)


Look closely at the pic, cause those days are gone.

maybe its the new icing on the cake now.

WOOSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOnly Cedric and Dex could stand in that lineup and look good!


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: arce1988 on March 05, 2013, 02:40:23 PM
 Works the way Formebolone does    really makes you blow up like super man     Doc would be better at explaining the science


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 05, 2013, 02:47:31 PM
true but thats ronnie 2005.

look how Ronnie looked when HE won the Arnold Classic: :o

Yes lets look  ;)


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Papper on March 05, 2013, 02:54:03 PM
Ronnie had one of the worst guts. Big and nasty.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on March 05, 2013, 02:56:14 PM
the Biggest dissapointment of the night was that Cedric failed to show up prepared for this show......I thought this dude was gonna kick ass, giving the lineup that was onstage, but I hate to see Cedric having his ass handed to him this way....better luck next time, Big Man.

Cedric has been mentally distressed from the degrading comments from The Mayor of Bodybuilding. The echoes all over the schmoe community has hit Cedric hard on his wallet.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: che on March 05, 2013, 03:03:07 PM
Ronnie had one of the worst guts. Big and nasty.

Ronnie looks like shit.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=450927.0;attach=495378;image)


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: mesmorph78 on March 05, 2013, 05:57:49 PM
after 2000 the guts got out of hand


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Bevo on March 05, 2013, 07:04:19 PM
Are you really this dumb, or is this a special performanace. I said my statements were not based SOLELY on titles won.

I said nothing of the sort. I suggest you buy a clue. Even in this economy, they're quite cheap.

By your logic, Yates would be greater than Coleman, as he's 5-0 against Coleman at the Olympia (despite the fact that Coleman has 8 to his 6 Sandows).




Ahhhh calling others idiots and dumb while u clearly stated dexter is better than ray bc he is "crowned" and u stated that Shawn can win any titles and it wouldn't matter cause dex won the O.... Hmmm that sounds like based on titles even though ray beat dex in EVERY comp. case closed . U really aren't that smart, but the sad thing u can't see fault in yourself and believe everything u say is right...

The frustration is clearly building up, can be that good for someone your age  ;)


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 05, 2013, 07:45:16 PM

Ahhhh calling others idiots and dumb while u clearly stated dexter is better than ray bc he is "crowned" and u stated that Shawn can win any titles and it wouldn't matter cause dex won the O.... Hmmm that sounds like based on titles even though ray beat dex in EVERY comp. case closed . U really aren't that smart, but the sad thing u can't see fault in yourself and believe everything u say is right...

The frustration is clearly building up, can be that good for someone your age  ;)

You're as pitiful at judging emotions as you are at comprehending simple sentences and concept.

Yet again, you keep parroting the same tripe, claiming I said things which I clearly did not.

Yes, Dexter Jackson won the Olympia; but that is NOT the sole reason why I put him over Ray. The fact you can't grasp that (despite my saying as much multiple times) shows how bereft of sense you actually are.

And, that's just with Dex. Factor in Jay Cutler, WHO DID BEAT SHAWN RAY at the Olympia and actually won the Olympia (along with 3 ASCs to Ray's one); and your musings really fall flat.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: cswol on March 05, 2013, 08:28:20 PM
cormiers best year was 2001


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 05, 2013, 08:47:07 PM
cormiers best year was 2001

Just his luck that Ronnie was in the mood for a Hummer, which he claims is the only reason he entered the Arnold that year.



Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: arce1988 on March 05, 2013, 08:48:22 PM
mcway is a good poster


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Bevo on March 05, 2013, 08:54:31 PM
mcway is a good poster

Yes I thought it was Stan mcquay


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Bevo on March 05, 2013, 08:59:07 PM
You're as pitiful at judging emotions as you are at comprehending simple sentences and concept.

Yet again, you keep parroting the same tripe, claiming I said things which I clearly did not.

Yes, Dexter Jackson won the Olympia; but that is NOT the sole reason why I put him over Ray. The fact you can't grasp that (despite my saying as much multiple times) shows how bereft of sense you actually are.

And, that's just with Dex. Factor in Jay Cutler, WHO DID BEAT SHAWN RAY at the Olympia and actually won the Olympia (along with 3 ASCs to Ray's one); and your musings really fall flat.

Jay didn't deserve any of his winnings or placings "the golden child" his 2001 shape and u can say 2009 is all is has, nothing special in his physique , by him winning those Arnold's and O's tell u that the judging is beyond ridiculous! It's not the best physique that won, it was politics and I'm speaking jay, branch etc.. Dex on the other hand really does have a good physique. Sure others like Dorian yes but he shits on cutler ten fold. In person all those guys are impressive IMO except jay and dex.

I've been fortunate enough to see all of them all the time as we all trained at golds Venice


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: Hulkster on March 05, 2013, 09:16:23 PM
Yes lets look  ;)

your just pissed because he has better thigh rods than your hero dorian yates :P


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 05, 2013, 09:32:52 PM
Jay didn't deserve any of his winnings or placings "the golden child" his 2001 shape and u can say 2009 is all is has, nothing special in his physique , by him winning those Arnold's and O's tell u that the judging is beyond ridiculous! It's not the best physique that won, it was politics and I'm speaking jay, branch etc.. Dex on the other hand really does have a good physique. Sure others like Dorian yes but he shits on cutler ten fold. In person all those guys are impressive IMO except jay and dex.

I've been fortunate enough to see all of them all the time as we all trained at golds Venice

Jay didn't deserve any of his placings? Perhaps, you should undergo some drug testing (and I don't mean for anabolics).

This whole "golden child" thing is absurd. Jay looked terrific in 2001, as he did in 2006, when he finally unseated Ronnie Coleman to become Mr. O. But, in 2009, he was in pure BEAST MODE. Even (in the eyes of some) an improved Dexter Jackson couldn't handle that.

I can stomach your complaining about his 2007 and 2010 wins. But, that's as far as it goes.

Or maybe it's because Cutler pretty much slices your claims to ribbons, that he indeed defeated Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Chris Cormier, and others. And, he went on to win the big one.




Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: mesmorph78 on March 06, 2013, 12:32:50 AM
Jay didn't deserve any of his placings? Perhaps, you should undergo some drug testing (and I don't mean for anabolics).

This whole "golden child" thing is absurd. Jay looked terrific in 2001, as he did in 2006, when he finally unseated Ronnie Coleman to become Mr. O. But, in 2009, he was in pure BEAST MODE. Even (in the eyes of some) an improved Dexter Jackson couldn't handle that.

I can stomach your complaining about his 2007 and 2010 wins. But, that's as far as it goes.

Or maybe it's because Cutler pretty much slices your claims to ribbons, that he indeed defeated Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Chris Cormier, and others. And, he went on to win the big one.




In 06 jay didn't look phenomenal
He wind because half of command back was torn
Simone as that
He looked good 01 and 09


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Wiggs on March 06, 2013, 12:34:53 AM
If I remember correctly, Ronnie was paid an appearance fee to enter that Arnold and I believe it was in the area of 100k. I remember reading that.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Bevo on March 06, 2013, 03:54:50 AM
Jay didn't deserve any of his placings? Perhaps, you should undergo some drug testing (and I don't mean for anabolics).

This whole "golden child" thing is absurd. Jay looked terrific in 2001, as he did in 2006, when he finally unseated Ronnie Coleman to become Mr. O. But, in 2009, he was in pure BEAST MODE. Even (in the eyes of some) an improved Dexter Jackson couldn't handle that.

I can stomach your complaining about his 2007 and 2010 wins. But, that's as far as it goes.

Or maybe it's because Cutler pretty much slices your claims to ribbons, that he indeed defeated Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Chris Cormier, and others. And, he went on to win the big one.




Dude I'm trying to make peace  :D as far as I know bbing is still subjective and that's my opinion towards jay

Geez what's wrong with u? We'll agree to disagree and if I see u in cali or tx I'm throwing hands  ;D

Jay unseated Ronnie cause Ronnie killed himself he looked like shit, Ronnie shouldn't even gotten his placing that year, he deserved it!

None of those guys are my heroes , I don't like jays physique I already said he was impressive in 2001 but didn't win... 2009 is was good What more?? Lots of guys don't deserve their placings and jay is not exceptions on a lot of his wins.

IMO and others jay didnt deserve his 2004 win over Cormier and yes in 2006 he didn't look good either .

When it's bbing the only guys I liked were Arnold, serge, and reeves actually. Modern I would go with Vic M

Btw, I'm all good cause when it's all said and done i guaranteed u Phil will be better than both jay and dex, I'm fine with that :D


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on March 06, 2013, 04:12:54 AM
Funny how Ron looks better there than he ever did winning an Olympia yet he probably placed 8th or so.

he was 4th here..


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Palpatine Q on March 06, 2013, 05:59:18 AM
Notwithstanding this has zip to do with Romney, I argued that he'd be better for this country than Obama was. And, it turns out I was right, because the disasters that would fall on this country via a second Obama term are hitting, almost exactly as predicted.

And, we're barely into his second term.

Did or did not Cutler and Jackson defeat the likes of Levrone, Ray, Cormier, Wheeler, et. al., while they were STILL among the elite in bodybuilding?

Did they or did they not win the one title that those men could not win, Mr. Olympia?

Since you obviously know the answers to that, your claim that Cutler and Jackson aren't among the best of all time is beyond absurd. You and Bevo act as if those 90s guys suddenly turned into Ken Joneses and Jocelyn Peltiers, when Cutler and Jackson started defeating them.



Not when they were in their prime..it's really very simple..i'm done going in cirlcles with you, debating with people who.always think.they are right is a bore,  carry on

And nice revisionist history on Romney, you were screaming at the top of your lungs for months he was going to win...shall i dig up the debate and election threads ?   ;)


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 06, 2013, 12:51:12 PM
Dude I'm trying to make peace  :D as far as I know bbing is still subjective and that's my opinion towards jay

Geez what's wrong with u? We'll agree to disagree and if I see u in cali or tx I'm throwing hands  ;D

Jay unseated Ronnie cause Ronnie killed himself he looked like shit, Ronnie shouldn't even gotten his placing that year, he deserved it!

None of those guys are my heroes , I don't like jays physique I already said he was impressive in 2001 but didn't win... 2009 is was good What more?? Lots of guys don't deserve their placings and jay is not exceptions on a lot of his wins.

IMO and others jay didnt deserve his 2004 win over Cormier and yes in 2006 he didn't look good either .

When it's bbing the only guys I liked were Arnold, serge, and reeves actually. Modern I would go with Vic M

Btw, I'm all good cause when it's all said and done i guaranteed u Phil will be better than both jay and dex, I'm fine with that :D

Phil's off to a great start. If he beats Jay and Dex again and gets another Sandow, he'll definitely get my consideration.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: MCWAY on March 06, 2013, 12:56:09 PM
Not when they were in their prime..it's really very simple..i'm done going in cirlcles with you, debating with people who.always think.they are right is a bore,  carry on

I could argue that neither Dex nor Jay were in their primes, either. So, it's basically a wash.



And nice revisionist history on Romney, you were screaming at the top of your lungs for months he was going to win...shall i dig up the debate and election threads ?   ;)



You can dig up the threads all you like.

I did believe he would win and said as much. I never denied that. In fact, I even stated would have to happen for him to win. Unfortunately, one key factor (his matching McCain's turnout) didn't. I ALSO stated what would happen under another Obama term.

That's not revisionist history. That's a fact.


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: Figo on March 06, 2013, 12:58:16 PM
your just pissed because he has better thigh rods than your hero dorian yates :P

You really think so?

I think they're pretty even in that department, great development and separation. That is a strong pose for both guys too


Title: Re: Arnold classic comparision
Post by: Figo on March 06, 2013, 01:02:51 PM
Yes lets look  ;)

Not very flattering pics

Dex looks like the proud baby daddy that just attended Lamaze class with his two banged-up hoes


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: guruthegreat on March 06, 2013, 01:45:39 PM
what is keeping Toney Freeman in top 6 in every show? He looks like narrow black branch warren. There is NO bodypart on him that stands out.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Hulkster on March 06, 2013, 07:01:59 PM
Funny how Ron looks better there than he ever did winning an Olympia yet he probably placed 8th or so.

well, he had the shape back then, but he needed a little more mass to fill out his frame and better definition, which he achieved by 98/99


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 06, 2013, 07:11:50 PM
well, he had the shape back then, but he needed a little more mass to fill out his frame and better definition, which he achieved by 98/99

Not all he ' achieved ' in 98/99


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Hulkster on March 06, 2013, 09:04:52 PM
Not all he ' achieved ' in 98/99

his gut looks normal there.

if i freeze pics of you when you are exhaling you would look the same

nice fail though.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Hulkster on March 06, 2013, 09:05:53 PM
ps this is a gut :P


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: erics on March 06, 2013, 11:18:20 PM
The problem is that the IFBB doesn't stick to an aesthetic standard.

If some freak comes out who is ripped, like granite etc but with somewhat poor aesthetics, lines etc, then at best he should be given 2nd.

That way, those kinds of physiques can get rewarded but never all the way.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Papper on March 07, 2013, 07:15:51 AM
The problem is that the IFBB doesn't stick to an aesthetic standard.

If some freak comes out who is ripped, like granite etc but with somewhat poor aesthetics, lines etc, then at best he should be given 2nd.

That way, those kinds of physiques can get rewarded but never all the way.

Not sure but I think the real criteria actually encompasses skin texture, completeness, v-taper and proportion. This would rule out for example branch and all with large guts. But they now reward muscularity over anything so these aspects takes a backseat.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: doriancutlerman on March 07, 2013, 07:26:56 AM
In 06 jay didn't look phenomenal
He wind because half of command back was torn
Simone as that
He looked good 01 and 09

Agreed.  He didn't impress me at all in '06.  Ronnie beat himself that year.

But he did also look incredible at the '02 Ironman, if memory serves.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: doriancutlerman on March 07, 2013, 07:45:45 AM
Notwithstanding this has zip to do with Romney, I argued that he'd be better for this country than Obama was. And, it turns out I was right, because the disasters that would fall on this country via a second Obama term are hitting, almost exactly as predicted.

And, we're barely into his second term.

Did or did not Cutler and Jackson defeat the likes of Levrone, Ray, Cormier, Wheeler, et. al., while they were STILL among the elite in bodybuilding?

Did they or did they not win the one title that those men could not win, Mr. Olympia?

Since you obviously know the answers to that, your claim that Cutler and Jackson aren't among the best of all time is beyond absurd. You and Bevo act as if those 90s guys suddenly turned into Ken Joneses and Jocelyn Peltiers, when Cutler and Jackson started defeating them.

I can't speak to what Bevo and Groink said, but you're right:  Jay and Dex did beat some of the 90s stars while they were still, as you said, among the elite.  And said 90s guys definitely weren't just pathetic shadows of their former selves ...

... however, it is fair to say Kevin, Flex and Shawn (dunno about Chris, he had some good showings after his peak in '99) were definitely not as good as they were in the 90s.  Even by 2000, Kevin's wheels were way down from what they had been.  Flex was getting smoother by the year and all puffy with oil.  Shawn was still good but not as shredded as in '92-'96 and '99. 

Is that to say Jay and Dex would never, ever beat those guys at their respective peaks?  Hmm.  I honestly don't think Dexter could.  Jay, maybe; it depends on a number of things. 

I think it speaks volumes that the top contenders from 2000-2010 would, at best, struggle to beat over twice as many contenders from the 90s, though.  We all know the field was a shitload deeper back then, even if some people tend to overstate just how lousy some of the talent is today.  There are plenty of good bodybuilders out there that simply haven't put it all together yet.  How many years did it take Ronnie, Milos, Darrem and such to win their first pro shows? 


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: mesmorph78 on March 07, 2013, 07:56:55 AM
Agreed.  He didn't impress me at all in '06.  Ronnie beat himself that year.

But he did also look incredible at the '02 Ironman, if memory serves.
Yup 06 Coleman was torn up 07 worst
His bad looked bad he won't ok from the front on 06


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: Bevo on March 07, 2013, 08:22:20 AM
You're as pitiful at judging emotions as you are at comprehending simple sentences and concept.

Yet again, you keep parroting the same tripe, claiming I said things which I clearly did not.

Yes, Dexter Jackson won the Olympia; but that is NOT the sole reason why I put him over Ray. The fact you can't grasp that (despite my saying as much multiple times) shows how bereft of sense you actually are.

And, that's just with Dex. Factor in Jay Cutler, WHO DID BEAT SHAWN RAY at the Olympia and actually won the Olympia (along with 3 ASCs to Ray's one); and your musings really fall flat.

Yes that's what I was saying levrone in particular was still "highly competitive" and placing well in 2000 and a little further but he was far from his best, his legs were bad and I remember reading that he was"gifted" his placing for 2nd both 2000 and 2002 and that he didn't deserve it. (Cormier should have gotten 2nd in 02) Still good but not like 95/96/97/98

In 02 he went from 2nd to 6th in 2003 where dex finally beat him, but that year levrone suffered a back or tricep tear I can't remember and still entered that comp. that was also his final O and he looked terrible.

I agree though dex might have never beaten levrone or flex when they were ON but jay in 2001 did so I'll give him that. But flex and levrone are among the elites I would say higher than Cormier and ray

Sometimes the luck of the draw thier era was the mass monster Ronnie and Dorian, who knows if they were competing in another era maybe they flex and levrone and even ray would have at least one sandow. Sometimes it's just not meant to be.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: njflex on March 07, 2013, 08:24:42 AM
Yup 06 Coleman was torn up 07 worst
His bad looked bad he won't ok from the front on 06
he just fell apart bodyparts just melted into lumps .seperation gone in some area's,,,when sergio came back in 80's same thing the 'myth'was gone ,,he was big but not in a stage build anymore,,,coleman 95/99 big,crisp,detail,freak,shape,density to the 9's,,,,early 2000's he got too big lost a step then later we saw...


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: erics on March 07, 2013, 02:59:51 PM
he just fell apart bodyparts just melted into lumps .seperation gone in some area's,,,when sergio came back in 80's same thing the 'myth'was gone ,,he was big but not in a stage build anymore,,,coleman 95/99 big,crisp,detail,freak,shape,density to the 9's,,,,early 2000's he got too big lost a step then later we saw...

Yes, but the problem was that the judges didn't penalise Ronnie for these flaws.

And if they 'did', there is no way of knowing through the way they score competitors.


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: mesmorph78 on March 07, 2013, 03:12:53 PM
he just fell apart bodyparts just melted into lumps .seperation gone in some area's,,,when sergio came back in 80's same thing the 'myth'was gone ,,he was big but not in a stage build anymore,,,coleman 95/99 big,crisp,detail,freak,shape,density to the 9's,,,,early 2000's he got too big lost a step then later we saw...
2000 is when he started to decline....
he still was far ahead 03 04 05
but if i was a judge he would get penalised for that gut.... but then man others had it too....
bodybuilders just try to carry to much size.... at the cost of shape.... and lines


Title: Re: ARNOLD CLASSIC COMPARISION 2013 vs 90's
Post by: doriancutlerman on March 07, 2013, 03:40:06 PM
2000 is when he started to decline....
he still was far ahead 03 04 05
but if i was a judge he would get penalised for that gut.... but then man others had it too....
bodybuilders just try to carry to much size.... at the cost of shape.... and lines

I guess 2000 was the start of his decline.  His stomach was a bit bloated that year.

Nonetheless, I actually liked the way he looked in 2000.  He was definitely not as cut as in 98/99, but he added some size that gave him even more "pop" than he had the previous year. 

I would say the 2001 Olympia was actually the first sign Ronster was aging out.  He was about the same size he was the previous year but holding more water and even smoother, which is why Jay was able to push him a little bit. 

I thought he was done in 2002.  I know you and I disagree about this, but I would've not only given the '02 Olympia to Gunter, I think Gunter definitely won that year's SOS.  Ronnie had filled out a bunch for the SOS, but a fair amount of that gain went straight to his gut.  That was the first time I remember seeing his posing trunks disappear between his obliques and hips.  Meanwhile, Gunter was still in good shape.  Prime Ronnie would've eaten Gunter for six meals a day, but 2002 was just not Ronnie's year.  He/Chadwick did something at the last minute to seriously screw him up, because shots of Coleman leading up to that show were among the best he'd EVER looked.  Huge all over, full, shredded ... I even remember Tom Prince sucking Ronnie's dick over those pics over at Mayhem Muscle, only to turn around and whine that "I couldn't believe it.  Ronnie was busting my balls onstage" when supposedly "natural" Tom did the Ironman weighing over 270  :o  ???  ;D  ;)

God, Tom was such a prick then.  I remember he said if anyone wanted to move into his apartment complex, he'd want them to visit him first and run through the compulsories (coughcoughcough SCHMOE coughcough).  He also said he wanted to start a gym at which there'd literally be some stupid hole in the wall, and you could only train there if your arm didn't fit through it. 

Stupid fucker.  Danny Padilla would've never qualified, but he was ten times the bodybuilder Prince ever dreamed of.