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MD's notes from the seminar going on
Arnold is on stage now. He did a nice intro, thanking everyone. When he and Bob got down to business, he said the guts concern him. He said some looked 5 - 6 months pregnant.
He also said he thinks sometimes the judges reward the wrong thing....because some of the best posers ended up outside the top five.
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He said the women were out doing the guys ten to one on stage when talking about posing and athleticism. He thinks points should be awarded for the posing.
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Arnold talked about the fact that you should be able to pull a vacuum when doing a side triceps. He also does not like when guys are sweating and gasping for breath after four poses on stage. He said it worries him that back in the day, bodybuilders could do vacuums and great posing, and today guys do a few poses and are gasping for breath.
good to see him speak out about his own show like that..vid coming soon apparently
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Everything he said, we have saying for years.
And it is true, the women are outdoing the guys. The guys are lazy.
The women are more conditioned and work harder than the men.
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Everything he said, we have saying for years.
And it is true, the women are outdoing the guys. The guys are lazy.
The women are more conditioned and work harder than the men.
What kind of control does Arnold have over this event? Could he not just say "this is how we are going to judge from here on out" and it becomes instantly that?
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Everything he said, we have saying for years.
And it is true, the women are outdoing the guys. The guys are lazy.
The women are more conditioned and work harder than the men.
If anyone could change the judging/standards it would be him. It would be nice if he went on one of his crusades and revamped the IFBB instead of this magazine editor position he just took.
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Dex doesn't look as good as he did in the past sure he's the best in this current weak crop and that gut is out if control for a 5'6 guy
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If anyone could change the judging/standards it would be him. It would be nice if he went on one of his crusades and revamped the IFBB instead of this magazine editor position he just took.
maybe he might use the editorial position as a way to do it.
I knew he was cringing when he gave Branch the trophy bearing his name the first time Branch won, but the second time, he had to be livid.
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Tremendous respect that he said that, at his own event.
Arnold commented on the guts way back in the 90's I think when he commented the Olympa on Eurosport so he has no problem saying this.
He is one of the few public figures being so outspoken about this fucking gut issue, which all the commentators sweep under the rug. Or if they bring it up it is because it is right on camera and can't be ignored, and even then they beat around the bush and say "oh he has trouble controlling their midsection".
Tell it like it is for once. They have disgusting guts. This is not what Arnold wanted.
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Branch warren is a disgrace to bbing I hope he falls out of his 2 story truck and breaks both legs
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Tremendous respect that he said that, at his own event.
Arnold commented on the guts way back in the 90's I think when he commented the Olympa on Eurosport so he has no problem saying this.
He is one of the few public figures being so outspoken about this fucking gut issue, which all the commentators sweep under the rug. Or if they bring it up it is because it is right on camera and can't be ignored, and even then they beat around the bush and say "oh he has trouble controlling their midsection".
Tell it like it is for once. They have disgusting guts. This is not what Arnold wanted.
That is unfortunately true, in some cases. But, some people act as if this just happened with this crop of bodybuilders and not their precious 90s bodybuilders.
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That is unfortunately true, in some cases. But, some people act as if this just happened with this crop of bodybuilders and not their precious 90s bodybuilders.
Physiques were superior in the 70's, 80's and 90's than anything today...
In your delusional eyes winning titles and cutler , dex and branch are some of the greatest ever
Which no one agrees but u.
Someone said it best title won yes but physiques no
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Bloated bellies started appearing in the 90s, there is no argument about that. But I think that everyone can agree that it is much more noticeable now.
I remember reading the report for the Arnold Classic that Francois won. The article kept telling me that Flex Wheeler looked incredible and so did Francois.
I couldn't work out why they 'looked good' because they had that hard, full but no detail look that is supposed to represent conditioning now. To my eyes, they looked shit, even then.
Judging and the bodybuilding media are useless. Absolutely useless. Never forget that.
- The IFBB would have you believe that removing posing from the equation makes it more of a physique contest.
- They would have you believe that because Olympia and Arnold Classic prize money has increased, everything is going along well.
- They would have you believe that having no transparency and accountability in judging makes for a better competition.
Arnold should just step in, tell the idiots in the IFBB to f**k off, and take over the reigns.
Or at least put something in charge with brains.
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Physiques were superior in the 70's, 80's and 90's than anything today...
In your delusional eyes winning titles and cutler , dex and branch are some of the greatest ever
Which no one agrees but u.
What is it with your obsession with Branch Warren? I didn't mention him at all.
As for Dex and Jay, YES, they are among the greatest ever. They have the titles to prove it. AND, they beat many of those guys from the 90s to amass 5 Olympias and 7 ASCs.
Deal with it.
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without the bellies, the guys are 25 pounds lighter.
if they're 25 pounds lighter, they don't place in the money $$$.
it's that simple. They don't like living on growth and being fat messes either. but until the judging changes...
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without the bellies, the guys are 25 pounds lighter.
if they're 25 pounds lighter, they don't place in the money $$$.
it's that simple. They don't like living on growth and being fat messes either. but until the judging changes...
Exactly.
The judges are to blame.
And if they argue to the contrary, slap them. They are useless yes-men living off cliche.
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Exactly.
The judges are to blame.
And if they argue to the contrary, slap them. They are useless yes-men living off cliche.
Maybe so but when you see Valentino or anyone at MD going around asking all the regular joe fans at the events who they are there to see they generally reply "The FREAKS".
With all due respect to the posters who I agree with for the most part on getbig it's probably those guys whose input is bring heard on a larger scale than this forum.
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reminds me of when fans say they want the sport to really drug test.
no way fans bother to show up at contests when bigger, more ripped guys are at their gym. The champs lose a LOT of size when they take time off each year. It'd be like 1970s state level shows without gear.
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What is it with your obsession with Branch Warren? I didn't mention him at all.
As for Dex and Jay, YES, they are among the greatest ever. They have the titles to prove it. AND, they beat many of those guys from the 90s to amass 5 Olympias and 7 ASCs.
Deal with it.
U can't get it out of your pea size brain that aside from titles (dex does have a good physique) cutler does not have a good physique it's people like u bbing is dead judging titles rather than physiques
For a 40 yr old schmoe I would think u know otherwise
Paris, labrada, reeves, serge all shit on cutler
I brought up branch cause he is a 2 time AC champ and by your judgement he is better than Cormier ::)
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Maybe so but when you see Valentino or anyone at MD going around asking all the regular joe fans at the events who they are there to see they generally reply "The FREAKS".
Sure, I can appreciate that.
Haney was a freak. His waist was tight.
So too was Yates until 1994. Coleman too until 2002.
Freak is not the problem. Longevity for the 'sport' is and this is helped by sticking to standards.
There have always been freaks and good luck to them for their guest posings too. But that doesn't mean their physiques should be the standard.
Also, one more thing, when you only have 'freaks' competing, you reduce the fanbase potential by only catering to the shock and awe crowd.
It may there that is no other fanbase available and if so, fair enough. Good luck to the IFBB and their bellies then
But I don't think that's true.
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any video of arnold laying down the law?
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U can't get it out of your pea size brain that aside from titles (dex does have a good physique) cutler does not have a good physique it's people like u bbing is dead judging titles rather than physiques
For a 40 yr old schmoe I would think u know otherwise
Paris, labrada, reeves, serge all shit on cutler
Hardly!
Cutler isn't an aesthetic bodybuilder. No one claimed he is. But, when he's on, conditioning-wise, he's a beast.
He turned pro his first try. He cracked the top ten at the Olympia his second try. By his 3rd Olympia appearance, he was the #2 guy on the planet (where he would stay, until winning the big one). You don't get there without a great physique, period.
I brought up branch cause he is a 2 time AC champ and by your judgement he is better than Cormier ::)
Wrong again. Get it through your head that I don't make judgments, based solely on titles. Titles are A factor, but not the lone factor. How hard is that for you to grasp. Your Branch Warren obsession borders on the psychotic.
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being white helped
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Beach Warren should never have been in top 5 of Arnold, ever. His physique is shit and hard to look at. It's also distressing the way that ass clown Valentino would rant in MD all the time about what a bad ass and killer Branch is... He's a midget and a pussy and no one should be scared of this coward.
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Branch warren is a disgrace to bbing I hope he falls out of his 2 story truck and breaks both legs
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If I ever see again a Bber win a major contest pulling a vacuum, I'll send myself a 8inch black dildo for TBombz' birthday.
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What kind of control does Arnold have over this event? Could he not just say "this is how we are going to judge from here on out" and it becomes instantly that?
Arnold only has CONTROL over the contests he or his friend were competing in, namely 1980/81.
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If I ever see again a Bber win a major contest pulling a vacuum, I'll send myself a 8inch black dildo for TBombz' birthday.
Captured and noted.
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being white helped
Helped what?
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What kind of control does Arnold have over this event? Could he not just say "this is how we are going to judge from here on out" and it becomes instantly that?
well it does have his name on it. Remember he is the one that wanted to jack up the reward money for the ASC, and the "powers that be" told him that since the Mr. O is the pinnacle of bbing, that he could not offer more money, so he started to give Hummers and Rolexes to get around that.
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What kind of control does Arnold have over this event? Could he not just say "this is how we are going to judge from here on out" and it becomes instantly that?
Arnold has zero control over judging. As long as he is holding an IFBB event, he has to play by their rules. If he really wanted to play hardball, he'd have to start his own organization. I don't see him having that much interest in it with little to no payback.
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Someone draw a straight line from the top of Dexter's trunks to his solar plexus and then you will know how much visceral fat he has accumulated over the years from drug abuse. Has nothing to do with age or anything else.
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Guys are smaller with bigger guts. One or the other would be tolerable but not both.
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well it does have his name on it. Remember he is the one that wanted to jack up the reward money for the ASC, and the "powers that be" told him that since the Mr. O is the pinnacle of bbing, that he could not offer more money, so he started to give Hummers and Rolexes to get around that.
a show like the ASC being second only to the Olympia, is the 1st Big bodybuilding event of the calendar year, but they need a better line up than this...for all the years I've been going to columbus, this is the first time I've started questioning where is this thing going?...the prize money is very nice, the fans are paying thier hard earn money, and this is what they get?.......I still think ''The night of Champions" was the most fun bodybuilding show ever.....these were the kind of atmosphere you'd want at a bodybuilding show, but this no longer exist...nowadays,guys show up upstage 3 months pregnant and still get a nice reward for it
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any video of arnold laying down the law?
According to Reuters March 2nd, 2007
Schwarzenegger laments steroids in his own contest
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/03/02/us-schwarzenegger-steroids-idUSN2831284320070302 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/03/02/us-schwarzenegger-steroids-idUSN2831284320070302)
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Belly Building
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a show like the ASC being second only to the Olympia, is the 1st Big bodybuilding event of the calendar year, but they need a better line up than this...for all the years I've been going to columbus, this is the first time I've started questioning where is this thing going?...the prize money is very nice, the fans are paying thier hard earn money, and this is what they get?.......I still think ''The night of Champions" was the most fun bodybuilding show ever.....these were the kind of atmosphere you'd want at a bodybuilding show, but this no longer exist...nowadays,guys show up upstage 3 months pregnant and still get a nice reward for it
Ironman is gone too.
If every "big name" is sitting out and waiting for the Olympia, why doesn't the IFBB make it so you have to compete x number a times each year to qualify for the Olympia? Or that the winners of certain contests qualify for the Olympia?
Didn't it used to be more like that a couple of years back?
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Someone draw a straight line from the top of Dexter's trunks to his solar plexus and then you will know how much visceral fat he has accumulated over the years from drug abuse. Has nothing to do with age or anything else.
that is just fat inside him? Or that is growth of organs? I have always wondered specifically what causes the growth.
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Arnold has zero control over judging. As long as he is holding an IFBB event, he has to play by their rules. If he really wanted to play hardball, he'd have to start his own organization. I don't see him having that much interest in it with little to no payback.
He could say, "adhere to the guidelines that the IFBB (so called) Rulebook has. And do it to the T. At least for my contest."
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reminds me of when fans say they want the sport to really drug test.
no way fans bother to show up at contests when bigger, more ripped guys are at their gym. The champs lose a LOT of size when they take time off each year. It'd be like 1970s state level shows without gear.
I think they are two very different things. Two extremes. One is use some self control while still on a boat load of drugs. The other is.... natural.
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Predator, the alternative ending.
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that is just fat inside him? Or that is growth of organs? I have always wondered specifically what causes the growth.
3 things, organ growth, visceral fat in the abdomen wall, stomach and intestines and excessive carb loading leading up to the show
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He could say, "adhere to the guidelines that the IFBB (so called) Rulebook has. And do it to the T. At least for my contest."
Yes, exactly.
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LOL......the look on Arnold's face is Golden...that says it all... ;D
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LOL......the look on Arnold's face is Golden...that says it all... ;D
Looks like he's holding back lunch.
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He could say, "adhere to the guidelines that the IFBB (so called) Rulebook has. And do it to the T. At least for my contest."
The problem is that there wasn't a whole lot to work with onstage this weekend. You could knock Pakulski, Hide, Fred Smalls, & Marcus Haley down for their gut distension, maybe even Dexter, but someone has to win. JOJ and Darrem have no legs. Cedric showed up soft. If you really pick it apart and mark down for distension, but reward shape and conditioning, Ed Nunn should have won.
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3 things, organ growth, visceral fat in the abdomen wall, stomach and intestines and excessive carb loading leading up to the show
Is it mostly due to GH? If u had to guess how many iu's on average these guys run? When u look back on guys like Shawn he never had this problem??
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it's hard to believe that they could be that lean and still carry that much visceral fat
sorry, but i don't buy it
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it's hard to believe that they could be that lean and still carry that much visceral fat
sorry, but i don't buy it
you have no idea what you are talking about.
3 month diets dont do much for visceral fat and the constant rebounding and yo-yo dieting that is competitive bodybuilding plays a large role in the buildup. Combine that with exogenous insulin in large doses for extended periods of time, GH desensitization and you have a recipe for greatly accelerated visceral fat buildup
As previously mentioned, though, a lot of the distention is from carb loading.
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that is just fat inside him? Or that is growth of organs? I have always wondered specifically what causes the growth.
Gh15 would scream to the world that Gh makes your nails grow before your eyes. So if your nails grow so fast, just imagine everything else inside you.
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that is just fat inside him? Or that is growth of organs? I have always wondered specifically what causes the growth.
Its just internal fat. I have no idea why people keep insisting that it is organ growth. When people do they never explain which organs and how they are still functioning normally. Most people with acromegaly that have an excess of GH production have an enlarged heart which eventually will lead to heart failure and this is a leading cause of death in most of those people. Take a look at some people with acromegaly and you won't find any of them with huge guts like today's BBers. If any of today's Bbers were showing signs of acromegaly you wouldn't just see a selective sign of the disease as in internal organ growth but a whole host of other symptoms many which would affect their normal life style and trust me these guys would not be able to walk let alone train like they do. Visceral fat storage due to excess insulin production is why these guys have huge beer belly type guts, period. BTW, this guy should have a huge gut if GH production had anything to do with internal organ growth.
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you have no idea what you are talking about.
3 month diets dont do much for visceral fat and the constant rebounding and yo-yo dieting that is competitive bodybuilding plays a large role in the buildup. Combine that with exogenous insulin in large doses for extended periods of time, GH desensitization and you have a recipe for greatly accelerated visceral fat buildup
As previously mentioned, though, a lot of the distention is from carb loading.
maybe you're right, but it just seem possible to have a very low level of subcutaneous fat while still having a high level of visceral fat
it just seems to defy all logic ???
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you have no idea what you are talking about.
3 month diets dont do much for visceral fat and the constant rebounding and yo-yo dieting that is competitive bodybuilding plays a large role in the buildup. Combine that with exogenous insulin in large doses for extended periods of time, GH desensitization and you have a recipe for greatly accelerated visceral fat buildup
As previously mentioned, though, a lot of the distention is from carb loading.
Interesting, what's the average gh these guys run?
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maybe you're right, but it just seem possible to have a very low level of subcutaneous fat while still having a high level of visceral fat
it just seems to defy all logic ???
Do you know what visceral fat is?
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Do you know what visceral fat is?
he will once he googles it
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Its just internal fat. I have no idea why people keep insisting that it is organ growth. When people do they never explain which organs and how they are still functioning normally. Most people with acromegaly that have an excess of GH production have an enlarged heart which eventually will lead to heart failure and this is a leading cause of death in most of those people. Take a look at some people with acromegaly and you won't find any of them with huge guts like today's BBers. If any of today's Bbers were showing signs of acromegaly you wouldn't just see a selective sign of the disease as in internal organ growth but a whole host of other symptoms many which would affect their normal life style and trust me these guys would not be able to walk let alone train like they do. Visceral fat storage due to excess insulin production is why these guys have huge beer belly type guts, period. BTW, this guy should have a huge gut if GH production had anything to do with internal organ growth.
Couldn't it be all this stuff enlarged by GH and further expanded by gorging and fasting (i.e. a combination of fat, intestinal growth, slin , overeating etc) ?
If it is causing enlarged hearts, why not the huge massive coils of the intestinal tract as well?
(http://medicalimages.allrefer.com/large/stomach-and-small-intestine.jpg)
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Interesting, what's the average gh these guys run?
Same as most pros at that level..."as much as possible."
In all seriousness, daily dosage and administration is dependent on the individual/what their guru tells them to do. Usually runs in the 60-100iu per week range.
Another variable you also must remember that while some guys may be able to slam 30iu's of chinese generics every day due to their local hookups, that may only be equivalent to 10iu's of actual gh per day.
The massive distended bellies really are not due to internal organ growth - its not caused by the enlarged intestines pushing against the abdomen wall. I am sure there is some level of internal organ growth (we already know many steroids cause enlargement of the heart and there are lots of IGF receptors in the intestines) but not to the degree that its causing your belly to stick out. As I said, its from 3 specific things:
1) Bodybuilding is inherently yo-yo/crash dieting. Going from extremely high bodyweights rapidly down to very low bodyweight and rapidly back up to high bodyweight, numerous times a year, year after year. It takes MUCH MUCH longer to diet off visceral fat than subcutaneous fat and the more up and down in bodyweight and fat gain, the more visceral fat is accumulated over the years. A 12 week contest prep diet simply will not put a dent in the lbs of visceral fat gained over the last 10 years of yo-yo dieting.
2) Large doses of insulin. Insulin WILL increase visceral fat buildup exponentially. Ever notice how the guys who tend to make the biggest "gains" in bodyweight and overall size in the shortest amount of time always fuck up their waist lines? Going from a light heavyweight national level competitor already using grams of every hormone possible to a competitive pro weighing on stage 20+ lbs heavier is ONLY possible with insulin and lots of it. (Forgive my caps but this is important) INSULIN IS THE SINGLE MOST POWERFUL DRUG IN BODYBUILDING, GOOD AND BAD. The problem is, the insane gains caused from insulin diminish pretty quick and dosages need to be raised very rapidly - especially if GH is in the equation because - as you should all know by now - gh causes insulin desensitization. So you go from using 15iu insulin preworkout and 5iu before each meal to 30iu pre workout and 15iu before each meal combined with a long acting shot in the morning and another 20-30iu of humalog injected IM post workout after your IV GH shot...it goes on and on and as the doses get higher, the visceral fat buildup increases and increases and as mentioned in point #1 your 12 week diet wont do shit about it.
#3) Carbing up. Everyone pounds carbs before they get on stage, much more than in generations past because they pound them down with slin. You know what happens when you eat 1,000g carbs after being on 0 carbs for the last week. You get bloated.
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Interesting, what's the average gh these guys run?
Average bout 20 iu's. I know guys who don't compete that run up to 30.
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Say what you want about The Fridge (wide waist...), but he always keep his gut in check ,even off season ..
Props to Jay
(http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp45/adamthebest84/JayCutler14.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/H5GOO.jpg)
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maybe you're right, but it just seem possible to have a very low level of subcutaneous fat while still having a high level of visceral fat
it just seems to defy all logic ???
Very simple, visceral fat is usually the first to go when dieting but when you stimulate it's storage with insulin use it stays.
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Couldn't it be all this stuff enlarged by GH and further expanded by gorging and fasting (i.e. a combination of fat, intestinal growth, slin , overeating etc) ?
If it is causing enlarged hearts, why not the huge massive coils of the intestinal tract as well?
(http://medicalimages.allrefer.com/large/stomach-and-small-intestine.jpg)
No, as I said there is no research that shows massive organ growth other than enlarged heart with GH use or abuse for that matter. Other organs are impaired such as the kidneys but not due to enlargement.
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Say what you want about The Fridge (wide waist...), but he always keep his gut in check ,even off season ..
Props to Jay
(http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp45/adamthebest84/JayCutler14.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/H5GOO.jpg)
true..true....saw Cutler at his own booth this weekend and he looks to be in the 300lbs neighborhood.....
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Very simple, visceral fat is usually the first to go when dieting but when you stimulate it's storage with insulin use it stays.
ok, that makes sense
it's the slin that's doing it then
Do you know what visceral fat is?
it's fat btw the internal organs, and not fat btw the skin and muscle, which is known as subcutaneous fat
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maybe you're right, but it just seem possible to have a very low level of subcutaneous fat while still having a high level of visceral fat
it just seems to defy all logic ???
Visceral fat is like when you go buy a steak and see all those whits streaks of fat within the steak, you can not diet that fat away,once it is there it is there for good.,
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Its just internal fat. I have no idea why people keep insisting that it is organ growth. When people do they never explain which organs and how they are still functioning normally. Most people with acromegaly that have an excess of GH production have an enlarged heart which eventually will lead to heart failure and this is a leading cause of death in most of those people. Take a look at some people with acromegaly and you won't find any of them with huge guts like today's BBers. If any of today's Bbers were showing signs of acromegaly you wouldn't just see a selective sign of the disease as in internal organ growth but a whole host of other symptoms many which would affect their normal life style and trust me these guys would not be able to walk let alone train like they do. Visceral fat storage due to excess insulin production is why these guys have huge beer belly type guts, period. BTW, this guy should have a huge gut if GH production had anything to do with internal organ growth.
I don't know bro but I know for sure gh thickens the intestines.
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Is it mostly due to GH? If u had to guess how many iu's on average these guys run? When u look back on guys like Shawn he never had this problem??
The visceral fat is due to insulin, the thickening of the intestines from gh and the bulk of the bloated stomach is from carb loading, I remember David Henry eat 20 pan cakes the morning of.....and he is one of the smaller waist guys.
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I don't know bro but I know for sure gh thickens the intestines.
I can't argue with that to any great degree only that it wouldn't cause distension or lengthening. It also thickens the skin as I'm sure you know.
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BFG is a great poster
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arnold is the one man with the power to change our sport to what it once was, the sport we all fell in love with
he conquered everything else throughout his life, he has npthing to prove in hollywood
at his old age his last challenge should be to save the sport that gave him an amazing life
only he can do this, he is our last hope
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Marcus Haley commented on his epic belly shot
Ok im not one to run from anything so I will address this as im sure I am one of the pros being talked about in this thread. I dont take slin my stomach problem has nothing to do with drugs and belive me im am doing what i can to make it better. I have intestinal inflamation and its somthing thats runs in my family. I had a potbelly as a 5 year old child. In the prejudging I feel i did a great job in controling my stomach although MD makes it a point to catch me during mid pose or during an ab roll which i will retire from my posing from now on. The night show I had a meal of a burger fries and salad. I took enzymes to help but my stomach swelled nd cramped like always. I would almost have to not eat for 6hours and My stomach is flat. My waist is natually small and it kills me when there are days in my prep that is so tiny then the inflamation just happens! I will continue to work hard on fixing this along withn my doctor and I trying a new approch for the Cananda and NY shows. Im sorry to have made this comback such a dissapointment in so many eyes!
This is how kings carb up...fried egg and a slice of toast...no burger and fries in sight
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Jay does get props. Wide waist but no gut.
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bfg or disgusted , back before the days of the insulin gut , say in the early 90's , take levrone or wheeler, was the differance that they just took minmial amounts of insulin morning and pre/post workout before everyone got out of hand with it, what kind of slin doses would you be talking about back then ?
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bfg or disgusted , back before the days of the insulin gut , say in the early 90's , take levrone or wheeler, was the differance that they just took minmial amounts of insulin morning and pre/post workout before everyone got out of hand with it, what kind of slin doses would you be talking about back then ?
Early 90's you had little use of insulin. Mid to late 90's you had guys using Humulin R mainly doing around 15 units at a time and things went from there. Guys would also carb up using slin which is a huge mistake. All this bull shit about slin shuttling carbs into the muscle blah blah blah.
All this "science" behind drug use is just plain stupid. Anyone on here can look great with just plain old anabolics minus ALL the other crap including fat burners and AI's GH peptides etc.
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So far we've heard food poisoning and heriditary intestinal inflammation as excuses. What about dieting another 20-30 lbs off?
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Early 90's you had little use of insulin. Mid to late 90's you had guys using Humulin R mainly doing around 15 units at a time and things went from there. Guys would also carb up using slin which is a huge mistake. All this bull shit about slin shuttling carbs into the muscle blah blah blah.
All this "science" behind drug use is just plain stupid. Anyone on here can look great with just plain old anabolics minus ALL the other crap including fat burners and AI's GH peptides etc.
Yes, but can you look 90s great without GH, and fatburners?
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Early 90's you had little use of insulin. Mid to late 90's you had guys using Humulin R mainly doing around 15 units at a time and things went from there. Guys would also carb up using slin which is a huge mistake. All this bull shit about slin shuttling carbs into the muscle blah blah blah.
All this "science" behind drug use is just plain stupid. Anyone on here can look great with just plain old anabolics minus ALL the other crap including fat burners and AI's GH peptides etc.
cheers man, in regards to pete grymkowski's bottle of dbol a day for 6 wks in another thread, ive read all about that and his claims on a radio show but how on earth did he prevent the water weight you wud get ??? i cud be wrong but i dont think the first ai was made until the very late 70's so i doubt many used them until later on
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Yes, but can you look 90s great without GH, and fatburners?
Of course.
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cheers man, in regards to pete grymkowski's bottle of dbol a day for 6 wks in another thread, ive read all about that and his claims on a radio show but how on earth did he prevent the water weight you wud get ??? i cud be wrong but i dont think the first ai was made until the very late 70's so i doubt many used them until later on
Water weight does not go up equally with dose and after a while you actually will adjust and lose some of the water. I believe nolvadex came out early 80's maybe earlier like you said but it did nothing for circulating estrogen.
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Say what you want about The Fridge (wide waist...), but he always keep his gut in check ,even off season ..
Props to Jay
(http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp45/adamthebest84/JayCutler14.jpg)
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Have you guys ever seen a pregnant fridge?