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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Vince G, CSN MFT on March 05, 2013, 10:14:55 AM
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Posted some shit on Facebook saying that he had to go to the hospital with some liver issues...... :P
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Racist post reported.
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Posted some shit on Facebook saying that he had to go to the hospital with some liver issues...... :P
Dude go get a job. Why are you following mentally challenged kids on facebook?
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Dude go get a job. Why are you following mentally challenged kids on facebook?
Haha
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sickening news....sickening!
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Dude go get a job. Why are you following mentally challenged kids on facebook?
Melvince is the beating (enlarged) heart of online bodybuilding boards.
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Melvince is the beating (enlarged) heart of online bodybuilding boards.
The mentally challenged kid probably has no clue who he is. Yet this Melvin is swinging from his nuts
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The mentally challenged kid probably has no clue who he is. Yet this Melvin is swinging from his nuts
He was emailing everyone including myself asking advice on liver transplants and he stated that he was in the hospital......I find it very amusing that this is about 1 month after he received all of his goodies from Iron Mag Labs. Would be very tragic if they are responsible for killing an autistic boy
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He was emailing everyone including myself asking advice on liver transplants and he stated that he was in the hospital......I find it very amusing that this is about 1 month after he received all of his goodies from Iron Mag Labs. Would be very tragic if they are responsible for killing an autistic boy
lol...i can't...
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It would be pretty hard to kill your liver after just a month using only steroids. Seriously, despite all the talk how many bodybuilders do you hear about with liver issues? It's the kidneys that seem to go out long before the liver does. Your liver can regenerate somewhat and is durable, your kidneys, apparently not so much...
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He was emailing everyone including myself asking advice on liver transplants and he stated that he was in the hospital......I find it very amusing that this is about 1 month after he received all of his goodies from Iron Mag Labs. Would be very tragic if they are responsible for killing an autistic boy
Harsh...
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He was emailing everyone including myself asking advice on liver transplants and he stated that he was in the hospital......I find it very amusing that this is about 1 month after he received all of his goodies from Iron Mag Labs. Would be very tragic if they are responsible for killing an autistic boy
How do you even know all this? Better yet, why do you even know all this?
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genova looks like a seriously strong guy.
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LIVING THE DREAM
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He was emailing everyone including myself asking advice on liver transplants and he stated that he was in the hospital......I find it very amusing that this is about 1 month after he received all of his goodies from Iron Mag Labs. Would be very tragic if they are responsible for killing an autistic boy
LOL! Why....why is it whenever somebody questions Vissy's credibility he always says "asking him for advice"
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Hope nothing serious.
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The Halo Extreme stuff can damage a persons liver for sure...
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It would be pretty hard to kill your liver after just a month using only steroids. Seriously, despite all the talk how many bodybuilders do you hear about with liver issues? It's the kidneys that seem to go out long before the liver does. Your liver can regenerate somewhat and is durable, your kidneys, apparently not so much...
Iron Mag Labs uses some pretty toxic prohormones in their products.....wouldn't take too long to fuck something up in the wrong hands.
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Iron Mag Labs uses some pretty toxic prohormones in their products.....wouldn't take too long to fuck something up in the wrong hands.
maybe you should send him some of your supplements ::)
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Well.....all the postings are gone. Either he was hacked or just starving for attention....he should realize however that it not a good idea to cry wolf too many times
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Ironmag labs?
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Jason is mentally challenged yes but I doubt he asked you for advice, he's not THAT retarded.
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Posted some shit on Facebook saying that he had to go to the hospital with some liver issues...... :P
someone hacked his Facebook account u fucking moron.
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Iron Mag Labs uses some pretty toxic prohormones in their products.....wouldn't take too long to fuck something up in the wrong hands.
really? can u even name one dipshit?
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The Halo Extreme stuff can damage a persons liver for sure...
funny u say that because it's the LEAST toxic of any of our PH's.
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There was a case when guy needed liver transplant after 1 month of superdrol. No, wether it was "contaminated" or not is irrelevant, "dirty gear" won't hurt you that fast.
"Prohormones" (they aren't literally prohormones, they should be called designer drugs) are for morons. How can you take something that is totally untested? Steroids were used in medicine and veterinary for decades, we know everything about them and we know how to battle with side effects.
I know people who took tons of dianabol, winstrol, on and off and test, deca nonstop for years (sometimes as long as 8 years of blast and cruise) and they're perfectly healthy. On the other hand many people had serious health issues after 3 weeks of superdrol or trenadrol. That's simply not worth it.
Having said that, Vince is just as delusional as Genova and I wouldn't be surprised if he made that up. I won't bother looking for that moron's fanpage on fb tho.
I find it pretty ironic that Vince is going after Genova now. Both look like they never touched a weight in their life and both "competed" making fools of themselves.
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Well.....all the postings are gone. Either he was hacked or just starving for attention....he should realize however that it not a good idea to cry wolf too many times
If he e-mailed you, the posting wouldn't be gone.
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There was a case when guy needed liver transplant after 1 month of superdrol. No, wether it was "contaminated" or not is irrelevant, "dirty gear" won't hurt you that fast.
"Prohormones" (they aren't literally prohormones, they should be called designer drugs) are for morons. How can you take something that is totally untested? Steroids were used in medicine and veterinary for decades, we know everything about them and we know how to battle with side effects.
I know people who took tons of dianabol, winstrol, on and off and test, deca nonstop for years (sometimes as long as 8 years of blast and cruise) and they're perfectly healthy. On the other hand many people had serious health issues after 3 weeks of superdrol or trenadrol. That's simply not worth it.
Having said that, Vince is just as delusional as Genova and I wouldn't be surprised if he made that up. I won't bother looking for that moron's fanpage on fb tho.
u r an uneducated idiot, please stop passing on mis-information.
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funny u say that because it's the LEAST toxic of any of our PH's.
so you are saying you do have some that are More Toxic
(http://siobhanwatkins.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/curb-your-enthusiasm-larry-david2.jpeg)
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really? can u even name one dipshit?
Ask Aaron if he has been cheating on his wife again in the hotel with you-know-who fitness girl...
thanks
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u r an uneducated idiot, please stop passing on mis-information.
I am most certainly far better educated than you, sir.
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In USA you are free to buy OTC supplements and gamble with your internal organs.
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so you are saying you do have some that are More Toxic
(http://siobhanwatkins.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/curb-your-enthusiasm-larry-david2.jpeg)
all orals are liver toxic u fucktard, including Dianabol and any other steroid, however if you are educated on the subject you would know how to use them with minimal risk.
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I am most certainly far better educated than you, sir.
yeah I am sure u are, come visit me at the IornMagLabs booth at this year's Mr. O dickhead.
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yeah I am sure u are, come visit me at the IornMagLabs booth at this year's Mr. O dickhead.
I will.
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you sure your prohormones arent full out bonafide steroids?
maybe u should learn the difference between a prohormone and a designer steroid and stop posting stupid questions.
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I will.
yeah, that is what everyone says yet they never do, internet cowards.
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Hahaha it's the first time I see a Goodrum induced meltdown.
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yeah, that is what everyone says yet they never do, internet cowards.
Honestly, I'm sure sure if I'm gonna come to Olympia. Hopefully I will, I might have to fly back to my country before that tho :/
I have no idea what is there to be afraid of. Could you please elobarate on that?
Also - are there any human trials of the stuff that you sell?
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funny u say that because it's the LEAST toxic of any of our PH's.
So you obviously admit that you are selling prohormones which is a clear violation of The Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 signed by George W Bush....correct???
So tell me Mike Arnold, why did you peddle that illegal toxic garbage for??? Is a few dollars worth someone's kidney's and liver??? Why are you taking advantage of someone like Jason Genova for.
Answer the questions, mother fucker
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Great customer service by Shit Lab should get tons of sales from this rep
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Honestly, I'm sure sure if I'm gonna come to Olympia. Hopefully I will, I might have to fly back to my country before that tho :/
I have no idea what is there to be afraid of. Could you please elobarate on that?
Also - are there any human trials of the stuff that you sell?
I don't think u should be a afraid of anything, but maybe if you met me you would realize I am a very nice guy and there is no reason to talk shit about me or my companies online.
Yes, we have thousands of customers that have used our products and report back nothing but positive results, search the internet. :)
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even ugl stuff is better choice to "prohormones", ugls i hate but hey they just copy what previously existed, no rocketscience to make some tren or test.
that is complete ignorance there, u are much safer using IronMagLabs products than any UGL shit.
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I don't think u should be a afraid of anything, but maybe if you met me you would realize I am a very nice guy and there is no reason to talk shit about me or my companies online.
Yes, we have thousands of customers that have used our products and report back nothing but positive results, search the internet. :)
Testing positive for steroids is not what I call.....positive results
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So you obviously admit that you are selling prohormones which is a clear violation of The Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 signed by George W Bush....correct???
So tell me Mike Arnold, why did you peddle that illegal toxic garbage for??? Is a few dollars worth someone's kidney's and liver??? Why are you taking advantage of someone like Jason Genova for.
Answer the questions, mother fucker
you're so fucking stupid I would not waste my time trying to explain anything to you.
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Testing positive for steroids is not what I call.....positive results
gee welcome to the world of bodybuilding, all pros use AAS as well as 99% of all national level competitors, and probably at least 50% of your average gym rats, if not more.
maybe if u learned something about bodybuilding u would not look like a fat piece of shit.
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So you obviously admit that you are selling prohormones which is a clear violation of The Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 signed by George W Bush....correct???
So tell me Mike Arnold, why did you peddle that illegal toxic garbage for??? Is a few dollars worth someone's kidney's and liver??? Why are you taking advantage of someone like Jason Genova for.
Answer the questions, mother fucker
Is it time for me to clip your wings again?
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you're so fucking stupid I would not waste my time trying to explain anything to you.
That's not an answer sunshine.....you just admitted to selling prohormones which are ILLEGAL. Why not justify your rationale for selling illegal products???
Come on, bitch.....just spit out some truth for the first time in your pathetic life
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damn this is getting tragik
best singing at 1:50 ever
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Great customer service by Shit Lab should get tons of sales from this rep
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shit huh? name one other PH company that has NEVER put out a bunk product.
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gee welcome to the world of bodybuilding, all pros use AAS as well as 99% of all national level competitors, and probably at least 50% of your average gym rats, if not more.
maybe if u learned something about bodybuilding u would not look like a fat piece of shit.
Steroid dealers don't sell "over the counter"....but it seems as though you have made a living off of it.
And as far as looks are concerned.....you're so fucking ugly that you could be a modern art masterpiece....
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Shit just got real. I'd say another 10 pages.
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That's not an answer sunshine.....you just admitted to selling prohormones which are ILLEGAL. Why not justify your rationale for selling illegal products???
Come on, bitch.....just spit out some truth for the first time in your pathetic life
we don't sell anything illegal, but you're too stupid to understand that.
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we don't sell anything illegal, but you're too stupid to understand that.
Prohormones are illegal, numbnuts....and you just admitted to selling them....so how are they NOT ILLEGAL.... explain yourself mother fucker...
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Steroid dealers don't sell "over the counter"....but it seems as though you have made a living off of it.
And as far as looks are concerned.....you're so fucking ugly that you could be a modern art masterpiece....
I have more money than u will ever make in a lifetime.
And I am not a fat piece of shit that does nothing but try and cause shit online, get a life.
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Prohormones are illegal, numbnuts....and you just admitted to selling them....so how are they NOT ILLEGAL.... explain yourself mother fucker...
really? I wonder why customs does not seize them when they come in from China? You are fucking brilliant!
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I have more money than u will ever make in a lifetime.
And I am not a fat piece of shit that does nothing but try and cause shit online, get a life.
Its good that you have a lot of money.....you'll need it for your lawyers when they haul your ass in. Then the inmate will use your ass like a pinball machine at the Blue Oyster
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Its good that you have a lot of money.....you'll need it for your lawyers when they haul your ass in. Then the inmate will use your ass like a pinball machine at the Blue Oyster
great, but I don't do anything illegal, if I did I would not still be in business after 8+ years.
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really? I wonder why customs does not seize them when they come in from China? You are fucking brilliant!
I don't work for customs, Mike. I'm surprised that you haven't been arrested and shut down already.....but I wouldn't tempt fate too much longer.
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great, but I don't do anything illegal, if I did I would not still be in business after 8+ years.
Really...so explain how your illegal prohormones that you are selling are not illegal??? Are you selling fake product full of rice flour or something???
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Vince, you sound very bitter. What did Iron do to make you so pissed off and meltdown like this?
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I don't work for customs, Mike. I'm surprised that you haven't been arrested and shut down already.....but I wouldn't tempt fate too much longer.
u r surprised because u r too stupid to understand the business.
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u r surprised because u r too stupid to understand the business.
So start explaining it, Mike Arnold.....cat got your tongue or something???
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Vince, you sound very bitter. What did Iron do to make you so pissed off and meltdown like this?
I'm not bitter....just trying to get him to explain how he's able to sell illegal prohormones
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Vince, you sound very bitter. What did Iron do to make you so pissed off and meltdown like this?
This "battle" he's "fighting"....it's a very strange one.
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So start explaining it, Mike Arnold.....cat got your tongue or something???
Why do u keep calling me Mike? I guess u don't know who I am.
PH's are a grey area business, that means they are not legal nor illegal, understand?
Similar to all of these research chem and peptide shops all over the internet, the DEA has a much larger interest in them than a legit company selling prohormones.
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and yes, Mike Arnold does work for me among many others.
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I'm not bitter....just trying to get him to explain how he's able to sell illegal prohormones
Well, you do sound like it a bit. Regardless, if what you say is true, and he is selling an illegal product and has been for sometime out in the open, why hasn't he been busted yet? With the current climate of anti-steroid hysteria, it should be easy to do assuming what you are saying is true. I haven't even taken a look at what he sells so I don't know nor am I taking sides. I'm just being logical.
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Looking at 4-Andro Rx, by IronMagLabs
by Mike Arnold
4-Andro rx, also known as 4-DHEA, is a PH to the grand-daddy of all steroids…Testosterone. With an abundance of information available on this essential hormone, I have decided to focus less on the physiological effects of Testosterone itself and instead, have chosen to illuminate the reader on the various potential applications of this legal testosterone elevating agent. In doing so, some may pose the question “why not just use injectable testosterone instead?” Not one to shy away from the tough questions, I will say right up front that when compared directly to testosterone, 4-Andro has its limitations. This is inevitable for a testosterone PH, as all prohormones are limited by their conversion rates to the target hormone. At this stage in the game, no one has yet been able to create a PH which is able to convert to Testosterone in quantities approaching what the typical BB’r might inject. So, for those individuals who have no objection to the use of CIII drugs, by all means, go ahead and use injectable Testosterone; it is the superior choice. However, there is a substantial portion of the population which is opposed to this practice and it is to them that this article is primarily addressed
(http://www.ironmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/4-Andro-bottle-139x300.jpg)
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This "battle" he's "fighting"....it's a very strange one.
he basically follows me around online posting this crap, I guess he has nothing better to focus on.
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Looking at 4-Andro Rx, by IronMagLabs
by Mike Arnold
4-Andro rx, also known as 4-DHEA, is a PH to the grand-daddy of all steroids…Testosterone. With an abundance of information available on this essential hormone, I have decided to focus less on the physiological effects of Testosterone itself and instead, have chosen to illuminate the reader on the various potential applications of this legal testosterone elevating agent. In doing so, some may pose the question “why not just use injectable testosterone instead?” Not one to shy away from the tough questions, I will say right up front that when compared directly to testosterone, 4-Andro has its limitations. This is inevitable for a testosterone PH, as all prohormones are limited by their conversion rates to the target hormone. At this stage in the game, no one has yet been able to create a PH which is able to convert to Testosterone in quantities approaching what the typical BB’r might inject. So, for those individuals who have no objection to the use of CIII drugs, by all means, go ahead and use injectable Testosterone; it is the superior choice. However, there is a substantial portion of the population which is opposed to this practice and it is to them that this article is primarily addressed
(http://www.ironmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/4-Andro-bottle-139x300.jpg)
yup, and since it's a metabolite of DHEA it's 100% legal, and a great product, I recommend stacking it with 1-Andro Rx.
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He was emailing everyone including myself asking advice on liver transplants and he stated that he was in the hospital......I find it very amusing that this is about 1 month after he received all of his goodies from Iron Mag Labs. Would be very tragic if they are responsible for killing an autistic boy
Seriously?!?! After 1 month of ph?
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Why do u keep calling me Mike? I guess u don't know who I am.
PH's are a grey area business, that means they are not legal nor illegal, understand?
Similar to all of these research chem and peptide shops all over the internet, the DEA has a much larger interest in them than a legit company selling prohormones.
No....I think the Anabolic Steroid Act of 2004 made it crystal clear that prohormones are illegal to use and sell. Also, we're not talking about peptides so its pointless to bring that up.
But let me ask you a question....you sell a product called 1 Andro RX...however Androsterone is pretty much a worthless steroid hormone that's mostly used in pheromone spray......what good is that going to do in building muscle. It has no potency whatsoever
And that's prob why you haven't been busted.....because you're not selling legit prohormones
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No....I think the Anabolic Steroid Act of 2004 made it crystal clear that prohormones are illegal to use and sell. Also, we're not talking about peptides so its pointless to bring that up.
But let me ask you a question....you sell a product called 1 Andro RX...however Androsterone is pretty much a worthless steroid hormone that's mostly used in pheromone spray......what good is that going to do in building muscle. It has no potency whatsoever
Oh, so what you are saying is it is just like 99.9% of the supplements that are sold everyday? Sorry couldn't resist ;D
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Oh, so what you are saying is it is just like 99.9% of the supplements that are sold everyday? Sorry couldn't resist ;D
Supplements are shit. Easy to comprehend.
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Seriously?!?! After 1 month of ph?
if u would have taken the time to read this entire thread u would know that Jason's Facebook account was hacked, he is fine and preparing for an upcoming show.
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all u have to do is search the internet and u will find nothing but positive posts, logs, reviews, etc. of IronMagLabs products.
and Vince, once again u don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.
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Supplements are shit. Easy to comprehend.
yes, most are, but not all.
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if u would have taken the time to read this entire thread u would know that Jason's Facebook account was hacked, he is fine and preparing for an upcoming show.
Hacked.....uuuuhmmmm.... ::)
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all u have to do is search the internet and u will find nothing but positive posts, logs, reviews, etc. of IronMagLabs products.
and Vince, once again u don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.
Sorry but I'll stick to my grape soda and slave genes. ;D
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he basically follows me around online posting this crap, I guess he has nothing better to focus on.
Are you two by any chance secret gay loves, or ex.
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you sure your prohormones arent full out bonafide steroids?
most pro-hormones out today are steroids that pharma researched in the 60-70s but decided not to make for whatever reasons.
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is he in the hospital or not? jesus
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he basically follows me around online posting this crap, I guess he has nothing better to focus on.
Really....if I'm not mistaken you came up here. I don't even bother passing by your pathetic forum
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I'm not bitter....just trying to get him to explain how he's able to sell illegal prohormones
Ironmag isn't selling any prohormones that have been banned. Halo, epi and dmz clones are still perfectly legal as far as the government is concerned.
Only superdrol got canned recently as well as ATD.
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most pro-hormones out today are steroids that pharma researched in the 60-70s but decided not to make for whatever reasons.
And then there is actually "pro-hormones" that are actually not metabolically active steroids like most on here think. These are the true prohormones that take one or multiple conversions in the body to convert to the active compound. You can tell these by looking at their chemical structures, but most on here don't know what the fuck an alkene or alkane is or 17a-ch3 is.
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Really....if I'm not mistaken you came up here. I don't even bother passing by your pathetic forum
IronMagLabs is on just about EVERY board, you know that.
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is he in the hospital or not? jesus
Why don't you go message him yourself tbombz jr?
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And then there is actually "pro-hormones" that are actually not metabolically active steroids like most on here think. These are the true prohormones that take one or multiple conversions in the body to convert to the active compound. You can tell these by looking at their chemical structures, but most on here don't know what the fuck an alkene or alkane is or 17a-ch3 is.
finally some logic is posted in this thread.
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Last time I looked IronMags isn't selling any products that contain superdrol or ATD so legally they are g2g.
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Why don't you go message him yourself tbombz jr?
;D
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And then there is actually "pro-hormones" that are actually not metabolically active steroids like most on here think. These are the true prohormones that take one or multiple conversions in the body to convert to the active compound. You can tell these by looking at their chemical structures, but most on here don't know what the fuck an alkene or alkane is or 17a-ch3 is.
exactly, Vince just cannot seem to understand this.
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most pro-hormones out today are steroids that pharma researched in the 60-70s but decided not to make for whatever reasons.
By definition, that would make them "designer steroids" not pro-hormones. Like you said though, that is correct. That and the fact that they simply took some injectable steroids, added 17-aa to them, and made them into an oral form which technically by legal standards at the time was not banned as the list included only specific compounds. Case in point superdrol.
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FOR THE LAST TIME JASON IS FINE, HIS FACEBOOK ACCOUNT WAS HACKED, AARON HAS BEEN TALKING TO HIM VIA TEXT ALL MORNING.
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you look just like tbombz...Simple enough?
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I've seen this Jason kid's videos. Serious question, is he for real? It either seems like a joke and he's a good actor or the kid has some minor mental retardation. That or he has the absolute worst case of self delusion I have ever seen in this world full of it. If he does have some mental issues, he shouldn't be touching any supplements stronger than whey protein.
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exactly, Vince just cannot seem to understand this.
I'm not in the bullshit business so I suppose it would be hard for me to understand ::)
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killing a poor retarded kid so wrong
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Dude go get a job. Why are you following mentally challenged kids on facebook?
x3, Peewee Braun should be held liable for feeding him those steroids disguised as supplements. FILT!!!!!!
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Jason Is a perfect fit for a LAB RAT , just tell him he is getting free shit and he will take it by the boat loads no questions asked
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I'm not in the bullshit business so I suppose it would be hard for me to understand ::)
Have you moved to the woods yet Vince?
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we don't sell anything illegal, but you're too stupid to understand that.
I don't like your tone asshol e. You come here and insult long-term members and regular posters!! Your posts have been reported, go back to RXHustle asswipe!
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yeah I am sure u are, come visit me at the IornMagLabs booth at this year's Mr. O dickhead.
Robert knows his stuff, been doing this for a long time...
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can someone please write a summary of this thread..
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Last time I looked IronMags isn't selling any products that contain superdrol or ATD so legally they are g2g.
Methadrol had superdrol in it, and IML pulled it from their line once SD went on the banned list.
The bill was introduced to congress last JUly, but was never enacted...
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s3431
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I don't think u should be a afraid of anything, but maybe if you met me you would realize I am a very nice guy and there is no reason to talk shit about me or my companies online.
Yes, we have thousands of customers that have used our products and report back nothing but positive results, search the internet. :)
So basicly you're saying that stuff that was never tested in clinical trials is safe? Was that tested at least on animals?
Do you know why trials on animals and humans exist and why they check drugs that in limited, controlled enviroment before putting it on the market?
The sad truth is, you have no fucking clue what might happen after taking your stuff.
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So basicly you're saying that stuff that was never tested in clinical trials is safe? Was that tested at least on animals?
Do you know why trials on animals and humans exist and why they check drugs that in limited, controlled enviroment before putting it on the market?
Who cares? It is up to the consumer to do their own research and understand basic organic chemistry. They also put an FDA Disclaimer on the bottles for a reason as well:
FDA Disclaimer
*These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration.These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.
*Consult your physician before beginning any exercise program.
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So basicly you're saying that stuff that was never tested in clinical trials is safe? Was that tested at least on animals?
Do you know why trials on animals and humans exist and why they check drugs that in limited, controlled enviroment before putting it on the market?
The sad truth is, you have no fucking clue what might happen after taking your stuff.
As far as I know, the only things that have true clinical trials generally are approved FDA drugs and even their trials are often flawed. I know of no supplement manufactures anywhere that have clinical trials on their products.
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Who cares? It is up to the consumer to do their own research and understand basic organic chemistry. They also put an FDA Disclaimer on the bottles for a reason as well:
FDA Disclaimer
*These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration.These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.
*Consult your physician before beginning any exercise program.
What is there to understand? You can have PHD in biochemistry and you won't be able to predict what might happen after taking this stuff.
I'm not stating that they shouldn't sell what they sell. I'm simply saying he cannot say that his products are safe, he has no clue.
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I'm not stating that they shouldn't sell what they sell. I'm simply saying he cannot say that his products are safe, he has no clue.
And neither can any of these supplement companies. Hence, it is up to the FDA to prove that these things cause illness/death/etc...The on-us is on the buyer.
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In my experience, if any supplement actually works and has a noticeable effect, it is often banned for one reason or another.
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No....I think the Anabolic Steroid Act of 2004 made it crystal clear that prohormones are illegal to use and sell. Also, we're not talking about peptides so its pointless to bring that up.
But let me ask you a question....you sell a product called 1 Andro RX...however Androsterone is pretty much a worthless steroid hormone that's mostly used in pheromone spray......what good is that going to do in building muscle. It has no potency whatsoever
And that's prob why you haven't been busted.....because you're not selling legit prohormones
Its not so black and white Vince. Prohormones is a very vague word that covers a TON of products, many of them have been listed in the controlled substance act, but some are still legal. The act does not state "prohormones are illegal" it lists certain compounds and those are not the ones sold by IronMang Labs... many companies and brands will sell products until they get banned as well, then they will stop selling them and either redo the formula or find a different compound - this is exactly what Gaspari has done, Beast, etc etc.
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And neither can any of these supplement companies. Hence, it is up to the FDA to prove that these things cause illness/death/etc...The on-us is on the buyer.
No, unless given supplemenent contains substance that isn't well known and tested they can pretty much assume their product is safe. Of course, you can argue that you do not know if given blend of substances is safe despite each one of them being "safe" but even clinical trials have margin of error. To me, in case of blends of known substances risk is still small.
I agree that there are many dangerous and harmful substances being sold as "supplements". I don't see why it has anything to do with this particular case. Yes, many companies cannot say their products are safe. So fucking what? We're talking about one particular subject, not many.
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In my experience, if any supplement actually works and has a noticeable effect, it is often banned for one reason or another.
Creatine works (at least for some people and in studies) and is safe to use. Apart from that, everything else I can think of is either cosmetic, does not work or is unsafe.
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Its not so black and white Vince. Prohormones is a very vague word that covers a TON of products, many of them have been listed in the controlled substance act, but some are still legal. The act does not state "prohormones are illegal" it lists certain compounds and those are not the ones sold by IronMang Labs... many companies and brands will sell products until they get banned as well, then they will stop selling them and either redo the formula or find a different compound - this is exactly what Gaspari has done, Beast, etc etc.
What Iron Mag Labs is selling and has sold is illegal, plain and simple....they've been doing this shit for many years and they know what they are doing is wrong....however the worse thing is that they are so desperate to make a dollar that they would take advantage of someone like Jason Genova just to do so.....there's no excuse whatsoever for it whatsoever so don't give me any of this bullshit.
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What Iron Mag Labs is selling and has sold is illegal, plain and simple....they've been doing this shit for many years and they know what they are doing is wrong....however the worse thing is that they are so desperate to make a dollar that they would take advantage of someone like Jason Genova just to do so.....there's no excuse whatsoever for it whatsoever so don't give me any of this bullshit.
You're such a gay spider sometimes Melvin
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My deal with IronMagLabs is that 1)Their prices are marked up bigtime compared to what they cost to make/get raws/etc and 2) Singerman is scum.
Other than that, they've made legit products. Personally, I would like to see them become similar to price like Competitive Edge Labs was. CEL was the shit when it came to designer hormones, prohormones, etc...
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What Iron Mag Labs is selling and has sold is illegal, plain and simple....they've been doing this shit for many years and they know what they are doing is wrong....however the worse thing is that they are so desperate to make a dollar that they would take advantage of someone like Jason Genova just to do so.....there's no excuse whatsoever for it whatsoever so don't give me any of this bullshit.
Turn that c unt in to the Feds Melvina.
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You're such a gay spider sometimes Melvin
Don't know whatca mean but I do love to blow my web ;D
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yeah, that is what everyone says yet they never do, internet cowards.
Yeah that's it...meltdown for me.
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Creatine works (at least for some people and in studies) and is safe to use. Apart from that, everything else I can think of is either cosmetic, does not work or is unsafe.
Yes.
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::)Says the internet tuff guy.
I've seen people post BW where their liver values were 16x normal from taking your orals. It's all dollars with no regard for anyones health. Filt.
I've heard of liver values being 16 times or more normal when people have OD'd on Tylenol trying to commit suicide, when they have eaten toxic mushrooms, or had severe hepatitis. I'd like to see the bloodwork to validate that claim.
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I've heard of liver values being 16 times or more normal when people have OD'd on Tylenol trying to commit suicide, when they have eaten toxic mushrooms, or had severe hepatitis. I'd like to see the bloodwork to validate that claim.
I will see if I can find it. I don't want to take anything that puts my liver values at 800+.
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I do not know what is more pathetic:
A) Vince goodrum spreading bodybuilding information like he is relevant.
OR
B) Ironmagazine.com getting all bent out of shape that we are bashing his supplements, like we are criticizing his family. I guess when your whole life is muscle building, this is all you care about.
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most pro-hormones out today are steroids that pharma researched in the 60-70s but decided not to make for whatever reasons.
Yep. Along the same lines that Victor Conte used to create "The Clear" which at the time was undetectable to nearly, if not all drug tests.
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Sorry if I came off harsh earlier, my venom was really only aimed at Vince, I think most members here either understand or feel the same. lol
With that said we market our products to the hardcore bodybuilders, not teenagers that go to GNC.
There are many risks in life, hence the reason so many of us here use gear, I think some of you are being quite hypocritical here.
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Sorry if I came off harsh earlier, my venom was really only aimed at Vince, I think most members here either understand or feel the same. lol
Vince has confirmed that Jason was emailing and pming him desperately asking for advice on liver transplants..
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Ironmag labs is engaging in flowers for algernon type experiments with Jason Genova.
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rice=cure teh liver
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I hear Jason's password for his Facebook is futureMrOlympia
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Sorry if I came off harsh earlier, my venom was really only aimed at Vince, I think most members here either understand or feel the same. lol
With that said we market our products to the hardcore bodybuilders, not teenagers that go to GNC.
There are many risks in life, hence the reason so many of us here use gear, I think some of you are being quite hypocritical here.
Many risk in life.....one should not have to risk their lives for questionable products. As the owner of a supplement company, you have a responsibilty not to sell products that could be hazardous to your customers
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Many risk in life.....one should not have to risk their lives for questionable products. As the owner of a supplement company, you have a responsibilty not to sell products that could be hazardous to your customers
Where exactly is the " Ironmag " lab located and which brilliant doctors work there?
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Not sure but there's only one true thing that builds muscle and that's hard training and proper eating
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Not sure but there's only one true thing that builds muscle and that's hard training and proper eating
Haha lol. Look horrible.
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Haha lol. Look horrible.
Yes, if you want to scare anyone away from lifting and dieting properly, show them the pic of Vince...Clearly, it isn't working.
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Vince got fat.
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Not sure but there's only one true thing that builds muscle and that's hard training and proper eating
seriously, you work-out?
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I hope that kid does ok, and by hope I mean passively aggressively wish the little bastard dies for making my folk look bad.
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Dream match up at next years Arnold. Vince vs Genova with the winner getting Billy Gunz at the O!
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Lol
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Not sure but there's only one true thing that builds muscle and that's hard training and proper eating
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Sickening.
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Not sure but there's only one true thing that builds muscle and that's hard training and proper eating
I'd toss the heavy iron with Vincenzo any day of the week.
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The little guy is retarded. He probably had bad gas and didn't know what it meant. He's most likely heard real bodybuilders talk about "liver problems" so he thought it would be neat to say the same thing.
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Does his bandana say "Get Better" but spelt wrong like "Bet Getter"?
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Does his bandana say "Get Better" but spelt wrong like "Bet Getter"?
isn't it "Go Getter" ?
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The little guy is retarded. He probably had bad gas and didn't know what it meant. He's most likely heard real bodybuilders talk about "liver problems" so he thought it would be neat to say the same thing.
lol
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isn't it "Go Getter" ?
Yeah
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NO, It's "the Man Getter".
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seriously, you work-out?
I'll crush you like a bug in the gym....all the needles you lob into your ass couldn't beat me, little man.
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Posted some shit on Facebook saying that he had to go to the hospital with some liver issues...... :P
Sickening.
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Ah, shit, Dustin beat me to it :-[ ;D
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Not sure but there's only one true thing that builds muscle and that's hard training and proper eating
Yes, we know you aren't sure...its evident by all of your pics.
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Is the other one, derek something, already dead?
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He was emailing everyone including myself asking advice on liver transplants and he stated that he was in the hospital......I find it very amusing that this is about 1 month after he received all of his goodies from Iron Mag Labs. Would be very tragic if they are responsible for killing an autistic boy
Liar, post them. Your first post post was that you read it on facebook then you try to claim he emailed you personally when laughed at. You are just a pathological liar that sits in his trailer all day long -- alone -- reading muscle websites and immediately posting what you read on one to another trying to look like you're in the loop. You're not; you're in a trailer looking like shit.
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HAHAHAA,,,,
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All the good pro-hormones/designer steroids have been banned! Hell they had real steroids that were very potent on the market before the jan 20th ban. M1T was a real steroid and very strong stuff! A pro-hormone is when the chemical has to convert to the parent hormone in example
1-AD converts to 1-Testosterone. 1-Testosterone is a real steroid. superdrol is a real steroid as well because no conversion takes place. pro-hormones are crap because they have to convert to a parent hormone. M1T,superdrol, 1-Test cypionate are all full blown Designer steroids and are just as effective if not more so then dianabol!
looks like iron mag labs just sells pro-hormones that have to convert to a parent hormone and are not on the banned substance list. It is a sketchy business to be in and only companys that are desperate for money or are just greedy sell these new pro-hormones. Most big companys will not risk it! Hell Gaspari started the whole halodrol-50 craze yet they stopped selling it because they make enough money selling their other supplements. Most companys who sold M1T,1-Test, superdrol,Methyl-4-AD, 1-Test Cypionate all got in and out and made alot of cash. Only companys selling the stuff that is not banned are in need of cash or greedy most are crap! All the good designer steroids/pro-hormones are off the market. I guess if you can still get a halodrol-50 clone or a superdrol clone it would be worth the money but alot of ugls still sell M1T,superdrol and injectable 1-Test cypionate so why bother with these new pro-hormones?
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All the good pro-hormones/designer steroids have been banned! Hell they had real steroids that were very potent on the market before the jan 20th ban. M1T was a real steroid and very strong stuff! A pro-hormone is when the chemical has to convert to the parent hormone in example
1-AD converts to 1-Testosterone. 1-Testosterone is a real steroid. superdrol is a real steroid as well because no conversion takes place. pro-hormones are crap because they have to convert to a parent hormone. M1T,superdrol, 1-Test cypionate are all full blown Designer steroids and are just as effective if not more so then dianabol!
looks like iron mag labs just sells pro-hormones that have to convert to a parent hormone and are not on the banned substance list. It is a sketchy business to be in and only companys that are desperate for money or are just greedy sell these new pro-hormones. Most big companys will not risk it! Hell Gaspari started the whole halodrol-50 craze yet they stopped selling it because they make enough money selling their other supplements. Most companys who sold M1T,1-Test, superdrol,Methyl-4-AD, 1-Test Cypionate all got in and out and made alot of cash. Only companys selling the stuff that is not banned are in need of cash or greedy most are crap! All the good designer steroids/pro-hormones are off the market. I guess if you can still get a halodrol-50 clone or a superdrol clone it would be worth the money but alot of ugls still sell M1T,superdrol and injectable 1-Test cypionate so why bother with these new pro-hormones?
Bingo
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I'll crush you like a bug in the gym....all the needles you lob into your ass couldn't beat me, little man.
who cares you still look like a fat piece of shit, I don't think I have ever seen and African American with such crappy genetics, I feel bad for you. lol
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Jason jacked and tanned he has Wolf beat this year.
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who cares you still look like a fat piece of shit, I don't think I have ever seen and African American with such crappy genetics, I feel bad for you. lol
You should feel bad for your mother because she's a whore.
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who cares you still look like a fat piece of shit, I don't think I have ever seen and African American with such crappy genetics, I feel bad for you. lol
I like how you used the term, African American. Gotta keep it classy.
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You should feel bad for your mother because she's a whore.
LMFAO
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I like how you used the term, African American. Gotta keep it classy.
LMFAO
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You should feel bad for your mother because she's a whore.
Things really escalated quickly here between these two distinguished businessmen.
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LMFAO ..what a idiot ::)
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There was a case when guy needed liver transplant after 1 month of superdrol. No, wether it was "contaminated" or not is irrelevant, "dirty gear" won't hurt you that fast.
"Prohormones" (they aren't literally prohormones, they should be called designer drugs) are for morons. How can you take something that is totally untested? Steroids were used in medicine and veterinary for decades, we know everything about them and we know how to battle with side effects.
I know people who took tons of dianabol, winstrol, on and off and test, deca nonstop for years (sometimes as long as 8 years of blast and cruise) and they're perfectly healthy. On the other hand many people had serious health issues after 3 weeks of superdrol or trenadrol. That's simply not worth it.
Having said that, Vince is just as delusional as Genova and I wouldn't be surprised if he made that up. I won't bother looking for that moron's fanpage on fb tho.
I find it pretty ironic that Vince is going after Genova now. Both look like they never touched a weight in their life and both "competed" making fools of themselves.
Prohormones are WHAT? Designer drugs?? Untested???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohormone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohormone)
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Sorry but I'll stick to my grape soda and slave genes. ;D
i thought it was grape "drank" not soda ;D