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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Jean Paul Gaultier on December 13, 2005, 02:46:58 PM
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He said that him against Ronnie,
Ronnie would win, straight from the horses mouth........ once and for all!
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Well Ronnie does have better GH, roids and insulin, plus having a gut isn't looked down upon as much, or to win a show, do not need calves, shit I could go on.............
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He said that him against Ronnie,
Ronnie would win, straight from the horses mouth........ once and for all!
Make sure you put it into context ;)
" Thats very hard for me to answer , I'd probably , Ronnie would probably beat me I guess , I don't know , its hard to say you know , its hard to say but , Ronnie now is you know , what is he , Ronnie is comming in great shape probably 15 - 20lbs heavier than I was and that might tip the balance in Ronnies favor probably , although uh I probably have a little bit better balance and better conditioning on the day of the conest , and with Ronnies got you know is so ahead in muscluar size that uh you know they would probably go with Ronnie I would think , it would be down to the judges , its a hard question for me to answer you know. "
He gave an honest answer and he feels the judges would go with Ronnie , you have to admire his honesty.
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tne only place Dorian had Ronnie beat was that grainy hard condition.
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Dorian is a class guy and was showing respect for Ronnie. That's how it should be between Mr. Olympia winners. If you listen to the broadcast though, Dorian sounded like he was just being nice. In reality, I don't think there's any chance that Dorian thinks Ronnie is better.
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In reality, I don't think there's any chance that Dorian thinks Ronnie is better.
I don't think that ANY Mr. Olympia would conceed that another Mr. O. is better, at least two being so close in time to one another.
Why do you think that Ronnie lost the challenge round this year?
the judging panel was all Mr. O's :-\.
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I don't think that ANY Mr. Olympia would conceed that another Mr. O. is better, at least two being so close in time to one another.
Why do you think that Ronnie lost the challenge round this year?
the judging panel was all Mr. O's :-\.
Didn't Yates vote for Ronnie in the challenge round? ???
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Didn't Yates vote for Ronnie in the challenge round? ???
Yes both Yates and Sergio voted for Ronnie
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Well Ronnie does have better GH, roids and insulin, plus having a gut isn't looked down upon as much, or to win a show, do not need calves, shit I could go on.............
Capt., the growth and insulin haven't changed in ten years. Basically, growth is growth regardless whether it humatrope, nutrophin, serostim, etc. It all does the same, and insulin is insulin. Same for the steroids. Regardless of calf size & this bullshit gut debate, Ronnie's overall shape is bette than Dorian's. But, Dorian was always more grainy in his conditioning. The question real should be, would the best Olympia showings of Ronnie ('98, '03, '05) beat the best of Dorian's ('93, '95)??
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He said that him against Ronnie,
Ronnie would win, straight from the horses mouth........ once and for all!
Dorian is depressed, due to his retirement from bodybuilding; he said that out of despair. There'no way, that Coleman, could defeat the 274 lbs, 2% bodyfat, drier-than-the-atacama-desert, 1997 Mr.O Doran. Just not possible.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Capt., the growth and insulin haven't changed in ten years. Basically, growth is growth regardless whether it humatrope, nutrophin, serostim, etc. It all does the same, and insulin is insulin. Same for the steroids. Regardless of calf size & this bullshit gut debate, Ronnie's overall shape is bette than Dorian's. But, Dorian was always more grainy in his conditioning. The question real should be, would the best Olympia showings of Ronnie ('98, '03, '05) beat the best of Dorian's ('93, '95)??
Dorian answered exactly to that question! Bob asked who was the winner in his best day, Dorian or Ronnie? Dorian, with honesty and class admitted that probably Ronnie would win. It's what I have always believed, they are two great champions but Big Ron is better. This is the end of the debate and hopefully we are not going to see other long Ronnie vs Dorian threads! (in the near future at least!) ;D
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Dorian is depressed, due to his retirement from bodybuilding; he said that out of despair. There'no way, that Coleman, could defeat the 274 lbs, 2% bodyfat, drier-than-the-atacama-desert, 1997 Mr.O Doran. Just not possible.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I hope this is a joke. 1997 Dorian was terrible - torn everything, gut, no abs and soft. I thought 1997 was one of Dorian's worst ever presentations. He was much better in previous years.
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I hope this is a joke. 1997 Dorian was terrible - torn everything, gut, no abs and soft. I thought 1997 was one of Dorian's worst ever presentations. He was much better in previous years.
At the 97 O, Dorian carried the most lean muscle mas of any human being ever-taking into consideration height and bone structure-, even more than the 2003 Ronnie. Jut so you'll know...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I don't think Dorian thinks Coleman is better just that because being 15-20lbs heavier than him may tip the scales in his favor , if you listened to him he said he never feared any competitor , I think he was put on the spot and he said Ronnie would probably beat him , it would all come down to the judges , I didn't get the feeling he was saying oh yes I would have no chance , like I have always maintained it would be close but I think Yates would still edge out Coleman , I wonder what Ronnie would say in response to this lol Dorian must be on crack if he thinks he could ever beat me .
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Capt., the growth and insulin haven't changed in ten years. Basically, growth is growth regardless whether it humatrope, nutrophin, serostim, etc. It all does the same, and insulin is insulin. Same for the steroids. Regardless of calf size & this bullshit gut debate, Ronnie's overall shape is bette than Dorian's. But, Dorian was always more grainy in his conditioning. The question real should be, would the best Olympia showings of Ronnie ('98, '03, '05) beat the best of Dorian's ('93, '95)??
wrong! Insulin has changed! It's much faster acting now and a lot easier to control. Drugs have improved and will continue to improve
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Of course Ronnie beats him NOW. Dorian is retired.
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Dorian: Ronnie beats me on the upper body but I destroyed him on calves
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tne only place Dorian had Ronnie beat was that grainy hard condition.
and calves and abs and triceps and delts and balance and arguably back and of coarse condition
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RONNIE BEATS ME, quote from Dorian Yates
Maybe Dorian and Ronnie live together and Dorian was refering to some domestic violence going on between them. ;D
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All of you Dorian fanboys need to commit suicide now since your horse admitted the unthinkable, atleast he isnt smoking the same crack that Jay has been smoking. Ronnie is the best ever, no one is even close. If you want to compare bbs to Dorian compare him to someone like Jay Cutler, who i think destroys Dorian.
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At the 97 O, Dorian carried the most lean muscle mas of any human being ever-taking into consideration height and bone structure-, even more than the 2003 Ronnie. Jut so you'll know...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
what difference does this make? bodybuilding contests are not won based on who has the most absolute lean mass. They are won on who has the best physique.
Mass isn't everything.
There is a shot floating around the web from 1997 of Dorian standing relaxed beside Milos Sarcev and Nasser, and Milos totally destroys dorian. I just can't find the pic. Other getbiggers may know the pic I am talking about.
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So Ronnie doesn't have calves? Watch the Cost of Redemption. His calves are easily among the biggest in the history of bodybuilding! Their shape sucks, yeah, I'll give you that. They lack that diamond crispness, but NO ONE should be saying he has no calves or they are small, etc.
As for Dorian, is lacking an arm acceptable? ???
nope..not big calves..
abnormally big tibia and fibula mayhap...
but them iz bones not muscle...
i still give 93 dorian the nod over 'volume over density' ron ...even if he IS white ;)
and why the f**k do people forget...you'r talking to a post (as much juice as he ws on before) Dorian talking..
the brain DOES have androgen receptors...
pump the fucker full of tren and he'll talk a whole lot more agressive all of a sudden...
you all KNOW this to be truth ..as your behaviour changes during on and off times..
for those that actually DO come off..
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Apples and Oranges. It's all hypothetical. Who would win Ali or Louis. Who can say for sure? Yates beat Coleman many times than along comes this freak in 98.......and Dorian's retired. So who's better?
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Apples and Oranges. It's all hypothetical. Who would win Ali or Louis. Who can say for sure? Yates beat Coleman many times than along comes this freak in 98.......and Dorian's retired. So who's better?
no one wins... all become legend
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ronnie beats dorian's meat?
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By any judging standard Dorian would be fighting for second with the rest of the gang.
You must be Ronnie's PR...or just his bitch.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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At their bests, both Ronnie and Yates are huge (ronnie around 250, Dorian at 257 at the 93 O. (his best shape -pre-tear).
However, that is where the comparison ends.
Dorian does not have the muscle shape nor the body taper that Ronnie had (recall that back in the day ronnie had an exaggerated X-frame by virtue of his tiny waist).
That is why I have always felt that Ronnie would have a huge advantage.
This comparison illustrates the difference that shape alone can make:
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974026807.jpg)
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/bwcoleman0edecbab.jpg)
both men are huge and ripped, but only one has the muscle shape to go with it.
Disclaimer: this is not intended to start yet another Ronnie vs. Dorian thread! It is merely a summation of the main argument that I have always felt that gives one man an advantage over the other.
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Ron looks like his muscles got pumped up with air...dorian looks solid...
besides PICTURES make ron look better...
if ya see the vids of both of em posting ONLY THEN...
dorian had "popping power"...his muscles swelled AT YOU....in 3 d....
its a quality that a few have..flex had it..and lost it...
kevin had it in the start of his Career...
also..Dorian didn't sound like a friggin illiterate douchebag..
and YES it matters...
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game ova...
(http://www.cbass.com/IMAGES/Dorian1.gif)
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also..Dorina didn't sound like a friggin illetrate douchebag..
and YES it matters...
are you proposing a public speaking round at future olympias? ::)
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again..the shape of the dorian back...lats insert MUCH lower..personally i like Dorian's shape much better..
(http://www.roith-vertrieb.de/images/umfragen/01/dyvsrc.jpg)
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(http://x10.putfile.com/12/34800155099.jpg)
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(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/976994107.jpg)
(http://www.bigroncoleman.com/media/1999_03LG.jpg)
I mentioned that, as you can see from the above comparison, that Ronnie's superior taper would be a huge advantage against Dorian.
People have responded (incorrectly) that since Flex and Shawn had a far superior taper to Dorian (and yet lost) that taper would not be an advantage to Ronnie.
What those people have overlooked is that Flex and Shawn did not have the MASS that Ronnie did. They were overpowered by dorian's mass so much that their superior tapers didn't really matter.
That wouldn't work against Ronnie. That is why that argument is flawed.
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again..the shape of the dorian back...lats insert MUCH lower..personally i like Dorian's shape much better..
(http://www.roith-vertrieb.de/images/umfragen/01/dyvsrc.jpg)
well that's a fair comparison, we have dorians back on the left PHOTOSHOPPED, and ronnie on the right in 2002 his worst most depleted shape ever. really fair. i wonder who made that comparison, it had to be a ronnie fan right, cause its such a fair comparison and in ronnies favor.
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(http://x10.putfile.com/12/34800155099.jpg)
ok o fine man but ron is having his ass handed to him in that shot man...<LOOk at how grainy dorian looks around the abs and legs AND forearms and CHEST and calves....hey he's KILLING ron on calves eh..Ronnie's left pec seems NONEXISTANT compared to Dorians...LOOK...its right there for anyone to see eh...Ronnie does NOt have a line defining his lower pecs..dorian DOES..THAT comes from ..<ahem> SIZE>
ON TOP of that....dorians linea alba is MUCH narrower..WHAT ya say..you never thought of that...fucking NOOB...
oh les see what more...Dorians lats attach lower...his ..even his arms look like they fucking attach to his lats..his bis do..his left one does..and look at how low his calves go compared to ronnie..sorry..ronnie aint no match...
and dont fucking throw the black or white argument at me...i'm brown...wont work.. :-\ i dont give a flying fuck..dorian just happens to be the better bodybuilder...
..muscle maturity ..win = dorian
muscle density win = dorian
volume win = ron...
Ron is to dillet what dorian ws to nasser my friend...
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PS..tjayts not a photo shopped image..it appeared in flex at one time
and if ya say its STILL photoshopped..welllll..t hen we can say wieder photoshops Ronnioes images also...and ronnie does NOt look as good... :-\
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PS..tjayts not a photo shopped image..it appeared in flex at one time
and if ya say its STILL photoshopped..welllll..t hen we can say wieder photoshops Ronnioes images also...and ronnie does NOt look as good... :-\
PS yes it is a photoshop, heres the origional.
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looks the same... :-\
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(http://x10.putfile.com/12/34800155099.jpg)
dorian does look better there, but thats a totally unfair comparison. check out the pics of ronnie from this thread http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41 , dorian could NEVER match this, and could never match ronnies 2003, 2004, 2005 versions. hed be 2nd place at best. its not even a debate, dorian says himself he would get beat.
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looks the same... :-\
yeah what's the difference. pfft.
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looks the same... :-\
look again douchbag
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46222.0;id=49354;image)(http://www.roith-vertrieb.de/images/umfragen/01/dyvsrc.jpg)
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Just post the pics. Don't link offsite.
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look again douchbag
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46222.0;id=49354;image)(http://www.roith-vertrieb.de/images/umfragen/01/dyvsrc.jpg)
???
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???
here you fucking cunt
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46222.0;id=49354;image)
see the diffrence yet faggot?
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and ronnies back(when hes not fucking depleted as fuck like in 02 when that pic was taken)still fucking destroys yates back.
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here you fucking cunt
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46222.0;id=49354;image)
see the diffrence yet faggot?
I don't see it. Seriously. Are you hallucinating or just having a meltdown?
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It's a black and white pic versus a colour and light pic you mental cripple.
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double...i've seen your pix..you look like a noob...
you dont count brah...
were you even into bbing in dorians era???
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if you have never taken a single shot...just stfu...plez..k...
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and ronnies back(when hes not fucking depleted as f**k like in 02 when that pic was taken)still fucking destroys yates back.
Dude. Yates, thus far has totally fucking annihilated Ronnie as bad as fuck. Ronnie is fucking destroyed fool.
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double...i've seen your pix..
no you havent.
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Dude. Yates, thus far has totally fucking annihilated Ronnie as bad as f**k. Ronnie is fucking destroyed fool.
hahahahahaha!!!! what a delusional faggot.
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Hey DoubleXL/X-KOL I bet you get out of the shower and wrap a yellow towel around your head so you can pretend like you got sexy lady hair - then you do a seductive walk up to all 5' of your life size Lee Priest poster, oil it up with crisco and say, "it's ok big boy, we're safe from all those pwngs on Getbig now that we're together." hahah. OWNED
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Hey DoubleXL/X-KOL I bet you get out of the shower and wrap a yellow towel around your head so you can pretend like you got sexy lady hair - then you do a seductive walk up to all 5' of your life size Lee Priest poster, oil it up with crisco and say, "it's ok big boy, we're safe from all those pwngs on Getbig now that we're together." hahah. OWNED
haha ok "supersoaker" keep thinking that faggot.
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no you havent.
ok sweetie..so that wasn't you on the pic board eh...
lets see em.....lol..fine man fine..ronnie is god.. ::)
lower IQs will always follow the herd..i know...
and i know i cant fight it....
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hahahahahaha!!!! what a delusional faggot.
::)
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"supersoaker"=
O W N E D
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supersoaker loves the cock!
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Hey DoubleXL/X-KOL I bet you get out of the shower and wrap a yellow towel around your head so you can pretend like you got sexy lady hair - then you do a seductive walk up to all 5' of your life size Lee Priest poster, oil it up with crisco and say, "it's ok big boy, we're safe from all those pwngs on Getbig now that we're together." hahah. OWNED
HAHA! Yeah that's the kind of homo he is.
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ok sweetie..so that wasn't you on the pic board eh...
lets see em.....lol..fine man fine..ronnie is god.. ::)
lower IQs will always follow the herd..i know...
and i know i cant fight it....
haha ok "toxicavenger" you fucking 100lb paki faggot cunt!
dorian realizes and admits that ronnie would OWN his ass in a bodybuilding comp......and you faggot dorian nut lickers cant even come to grasp with that fact. pathetic.
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HAHA! Yeah that's the kind of homo he is.
haha ok "mansonvier" haha. oh brother what a name, did your boyfriend give it to you?
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"supersoaker"= O W N E D
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supersoaker loves the cock!
haha. You know how he got the name DOUBLE XL haha.....
He used to hang out backstage at all the bodybuilding shows and slip viagra in the pros drinks when they weren't looking. Then as the pros were getting a pump backstage he said, "Oh, my, gawd....I can't let you proffesional bodybuilders go out on stage with those striated Double XL cocks so perfect and veiny bulging in your pants. It will distract from you specimins physiques! I'll just have to suck you off. There's SIMPLY no other option!"
Then as you wiped the cum from your lip you said,"I'll do anything for our sport." hahah OWNED
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haha. You know how he got the name DOUBLE XL haha.....
He used to hang out backstage at all the bodybuilding shows and slip viagra in the pros drinks when they weren't looking. Then as the pros were getting a pump backstage he said, "Oh, my, gawd....I can't let you proffesional bodybuilders go out on stage with those striated Double XL cocks so perfect and veiny bulging in your pants. It will distract from you specimins physiques! I'll just have to suck you off. There's SIMPLY no other option!"
Then as you wiped the cum from your lip you said,"I'll do anything for our sport." hahah OWNED
haha ok "supersoaker" haha oh man what a name, did your boyfriend give it to you after he soaked you in cum i bet he said "youve been super soaked" oh brother, what a faggot.
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haha ok "toxicavenger" you fucking 100lb paki ggot cunt!
well tell me something i dont know mr eyebrows! ;) ..LMAO.....
dorian realizes and admits that ronnie would OWN his ass in a bodybuilding comp......and you faggot dorian nut lickers cant even come to grasp with that fact. pathetic.
you forget that the brain has androgen receptors...
personality changes according to bodily androgen levels..
of course a noob would not know that..lol ..sigh....
as i said..plez come back and talk to us aftet yoyr first couple of shots ;) you miiiight just be able to cal yourself a bber then...
;D
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The problem with any comparison is that the human body constantly CHANGES!
We can post pics of both of them at various times and both would win depending upon the time.
The only thing that counts is that Yates defeated Ronnie every time they competed against each other just as Haney defeated Yates the one time they competed in the same show.
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The problem with any comparison is that the human body constantly CHANGES!
We can post pics of both of them at various times and both would win depending upon the time.
The only thing that counts is that Yates defeated Ronnie every time they competed against each other just as Haney defeated Yates the one time they competed in the same show.
and 15 people defeated ronnie in the 199* olympia, and 13 people defeated jay cutler in the 199* olympia. does that make all those who beat them in those contests better than both of them later in their careers?
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Double X-Kol is the kind of guy that wears his stained wife beater with press on picture of Ronnie Coleman doing a "hiked thong pose" to his friends wedding so he can show off his monster 15 inch guns. When they throw him out he protest, "you can't throw me out of here I'm a bodybuilder. I hang out on Getbig with monsters like Lee Priest and Shawn Ray!" When they still try to throw him out he says, "well, I didn't want to resort to this, but I also have another talent" as he proceeds to unzip the security guys fly. hahaha OWNED
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and 15 people defeated ronnie in the 199* olympia, and 13 people defeated jay cutler in the 199* olympia. does that make all those who beat them in those contests better than both of them later in their careers?
You can only be compared to who turns up and competes against you on the same stage face to face.
Comparing photos is a waste of time...
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I mentioned that, as you can see from the above comparison, that Ronnie's superior taper would be a huge advantage against Dorian.
People have responded (incorrectly) that since Flex and Shawn had a far superior taper to Dorian (and yet lost) that taper would not be an advantage to Ronnie.
What those people have overlooked is that Flex and Shawn did not have the MASS that Ronnie did. They were overpowered by dorian's mass so much that their superior tapers didn't really matter.
That wouldn't work against Ronnie. That is why that argument is flawed.
I love how you say " I don't want to turn this into a Dorian vs Ronnie tread " but its exactly what you want , everytime someone mentions anyone you have this compulsion to say Ronnie is better its bizzare , anyway your logic is once again flawed you cling to this idea that because Ronnie has a smaller waist he would automatically have a giant advantage over Yates thats his trump card lol its not , not in the least Yates beat pleany of men with smaller waists like I've said Flex & Shawn , Oh wait you said they couldn't match Yates size , he outright beat Paul Dillet who surpassed Dorians size and had probably the best V-taper in the history of bodybuilding , so there goes your theory ;)
At their respective peaks both had size , shape , yes Yates has some better shapped muscles compared to Ronnie and vice a versa , Dorian had better conditioning & balance and this is where Dorian would edge out Ronnie , I've brought this up before if you see Ronnie's small waist as such an advantage why doesn't his front latspread look as good as Dorians? with his much superior V-taper lol Dorian has the better balance & proportion and simply looks better in most of the mandatory poses.
Now Chic asked Dorian a best ever Dorian vs a best ever Ronnie , Dorian basically said they judges would go with Ronnie based on a weight advantage , but here is what is funny its widely akownleged that 2001 Arnold Classic Ronnie is his best ever and I believe he was 245lbs and Yates said even with his torn bicep 1995 Mr Olympia is his best ever contest shape , his best ever condition his the pics of him by Kevin Horton at 269lbs , anyway since Dorian was basing the judges giving Ronnie the edge because of a 15-20lb weight advantage , perhaps the judges would give the nod to Yates based on a weight advantage at the 95 O Yates was 255lbs , Yates was basing the theorical edge on Ronnie's competive weight of now an days and everyone knows Ronnie of late is no where near as great as 01 ASC Ronnie.
When push comes to shove its all speculation but facts are facts , Yates has beaten the guy with probably the best V-taper in history , he has better balance & conditon , he simply looks better than Ronnie is most on the mandatory poses and he was only been beaten by 2 men in the history of the sport and he avenged that loss to one of them and beat the other in the musculairty round and he was one of the greatest Mr Olympia ever .
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There is a shot floating around the web from 1997 of Dorian standing relaxed beside Milos Sarcev and Nasser, and Milos totally destroys dorian. I just can't find the pic. Other getbiggers may know the pic I am talking about.
Oh f**k off! :D Even you don't believe that one picture shows how someone is 'destroyed' by another in a contest? How about that classic picture of Cutler/Coleman in the '01 Mr O (where Jay is flexing and Ronnie relaxed with an uber-gut)? That *proved* Jay destroyed Ronnie that year too, right? ;)
I concur that 1997 Dorian wasn't his best shape, but the day Milos beats Dorian in the actual competition is the day Allen Iverson leads the NBA in field goal percentage. If he'd finished second or third, you'd have a point. But he was tenth. And no 10th-placed Mr Olympia contestant in history deserved to beat the actual winner.
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You can only be compared to who turns up and competes against you on the same stage face to face.
Comparing photos is a waste of time...
i agree. and ronnie would destroy dorian, im sure anyone here with half a brain can realize that. hell, even dorian does. he admits that ronnie would beat him in a bodybuilding contest and he's 100% correct.
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ok why are you trying to make fun of someones size when you look like this
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b199/blacknazi/newtat.jpg)
for those that dont know, supersoaker posted this saying its him. well dude your arms are 12inches max. what do you weigh, 90lbs? shit you might even be smaller than out resident roided up beanpole "toxicavenger"
hahaha. It took you all that time to post that? I own you now dumb little bitch.
Keep coming back for more punishment. Your ass should be bleeding by now.
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dorian does look better there, but thats a totally unfair comparison. check out the pics of ronnie from this thread http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41 , dorian could NEVER match this, and could never match ronnies 2003, 2004, 2005 versions. hed be 2nd place at best. its not even a debate, dorian says himself he would get beat.
he didnt say he would get beat, he said the judges might go with ron on size(15 pounds more than dorian)
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Ronnie is lacking in too many areas to beat Dorian. Ronnie's a dominant champion today, but we've taken a couple steps back from 10 years ago. Dorian had a combination of grainy dense conditioning, size, structure, and balance that has never been equaled.
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blah blah blah blah blah
all said and done, Dorian would kick the crap out of coleman in a fight.
All americans are wimps
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blah blah blah blah blah
all said and done, Dorian would kick the crap out of coleman in a fight.
All americans are wimps
Riiiiiiiight. Since Ronnie is a former cop, and Dorian can't fall out of bed without getting a black eye...
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Lennox Lewis.
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Lennox Lewis.
;D
isn't he canadian?
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So Ronnie doesn't have calves? Watch the Cost of Redemption. His calves are easily among the biggest in the history of bodybuilding!
Ha Ha Ha Ha
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Ronnie is lacking in too many areas to beat Dorian. Ronnie's a dominant champion today, but we've taken a couple steps back from 10 years ago. Dorian had a combination of grainy dense conditioning, size, structure, and balance that has never been equaled.
what a laughable post.
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Dorian was talking about Ronnie beating him right now. The way Dorian looks today and what Ronnie looks like today.
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Dorian was talking about Ronnie beating him right now. The way Dorian looks today and what Ronnie looks like today.
haha ok "onlyme" so you're saying that dorian was saying he's only 15lbs behind ronnie cause he said ronnie outweighs him by 15 lbs remember. so i guess he must be talking about himself at the current moment cause hes definitly over 270lbs right?
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All these scenarios are theoretical. All we know, for sure, it that The Yates defeated Ronnie innumerable times, while the reverse is not true. The best of The Shadow v the best of Ronnie? I'd still give it to Dorian, based on his superior density, tightness, conditioning and better calves, traps and hamtrings. Dorian's lats are still thicker than Ronnie's-even though he has matched Dorian, for width-, and Yates had that crazy detail, there, that Ronnie can only dream of. This is just my opinion, though.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Dorian was talking about Ronnie beating him right now. The way Dorian looks today and what Ronnie looks like today.
Moronic................. .again.
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You all don't give Dorian enough credit. In 1993 he absolutely destroyed Flex Wheeler in the greatest shape of his life. Even Flex acknowledges that. And we all know that a '93 version of Flex would have beaten ronnie in 98...
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and ronnies back(when hes not fucking depleted as f**k like in 02 when that pic was taken)still fucking destroys yates back.
Here is what his back looks like when its not depleted!
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc210.jpg)
Dorian who? 8)
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Lennox Lewis.
;D
Shut up fool. Our blacks will always defeat your blacks.
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haha ok "onlyme" so you're saying that dorian was saying he's only 15lbs behind ronnie cause he said ronnie outweighs him by 15 lbs remember. so i guess he must be talking about himself at the current moment cause hes definitly over 270lbs right?
Ronnie Coleman has never been over 270 pounds. Don't be so gullible.
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I love how you say " I don't want to turn this into a Dorian vs Ronnie tread " but its exactly what you want , everytime someone mentions anyone you have this compulsion to say Ronnie is better its bizzare , anyway your logic is once again flawed you cling to this idea that because Ronnie has a smaller waist he would automatically have a giant advantage over Yates thats his trump card lol its not , not in the least Yates beat pleany of men with smaller waists like I've said Flex & Shawn , Oh wait you said they couldn't match Yates size , he outright beat Paul Dillet who surpassed Dorians size and had probably the best V-taper in the history of bodybuilding , so there goes your theory ;)
At their respective peaks both had size , shape , yes Yates has some better shapped muscles compared to Ronnie and vice a versa , Dorian had better conditioning & balance and this is where Dorian would edge out Ronnie , I've brought this up before if you see Ronnie's small waist as such an advantage why doesn't his front latspread look as good as Dorians? with his much superior V-taper lol Dorian has the better balance & proportion and simply looks better in most of the mandatory poses.
Now Chic asked Dorian a best ever Dorian vs a best ever Ronnie , Dorian basically said they judges would go with Ronnie based on a weight advantage , but here is what is funny its widely akownleged that 2001 Arnold Classic Ronnie is his best ever and I believe he was 245lbs and Yates said even with his torn bicep 1995 Mr Olympia is his best ever contest shape , his best ever condition his the pics of him by Kevin Horton at 269lbs , anyway since Dorian was basing the judges giving Ronnie the edge because of a 15-20lb weight advantage , perhaps the judges would give the nod to Yates based on a weight advantage at the 95 O Yates was 255lbs , Yates was basing the theorical edge on Ronnie's competive weight of now an days and everyone knows Ronnie of late is no where near as great as 01 ASC Ronnie.
When push comes to shove its all speculation but facts are facts , Yates has beaten the guy with probably the best V-taper in history , he has better balance & conditon , he simply looks better than Ronnie is most on the mandatory poses and he was only been beaten by 2 men in the history of the sport and he avenged that loss to one of them and beat the other in the musculairty round and he was one of the greatest Mr Olympia ever .
oh come on ND. You are claiming that because Dorian beat Paul fuckin' Dillett (who has mass and taper) that he would beat Ronnie?
come on!
the argument about Ronnie's taper vs. Dorians taper is totally correct for following reasons:
1. Paul Dillett was nowhere near in the same class as Shawn Ray or Flex Wheeler at their peaks (so the fact that Dorian beat Paul has no bearing on how he would do against Ronnie).
2. Paul had no back. (he had loads of potential, but never realized it).
so, the argument still holds true: Dorian never EVER faced anyone with the size, taper and collection of bodyparts that Ronnie has.
He faced smaller, better tapered guys and overwhelmed them with a large weight advantage.
In Ronnie, he would face some with with a better taper, just as much mass, and no weight advantage, and, unlike Flex and Shawn, a complete back that rivals Dorian's.
Why is this not difficult to understand?
Dorian dominated smaller guys. In facing ronnie, his main advantage would be lost.
ronnie would:
- match dorian in mass
-have a better taper
-rival if not beat his back
-be far more striated than Dorian ever was
Seems like dorian would have one hell of a time with ronnie.
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Ronnie Coleman has never been over 270 pounds. Don't be so gullible.
hmmm. if you look at the 04 Russian grand prix pics with Ronnie and Kris Dim standing side by side, that means that Kris Dim wasn't anything over 126 pounds! ;)
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How tall is Dorian?
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There are things I don't like about both of them. They both leave a lot to be desired when it comes to aesthetics and proportion. Ronnie's missing calves, Dorian's missing (actually MISSING) a bicep. Both of their midsections are wierd looking. Ronnie is bigger, Dorian was harder. I think it's a tossup.
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Oh f**k off! :D Even you don't believe that one picture shows how someone is 'destroyed' by another in a contest? How about that classic picture of Cutler/Coleman in the '01 Mr O (where Jay is flexing and Ronnie relaxed with an uber-gut)? That *proved* Jay destroyed Ronnie that year too, right? ;)
I concur that 1997 Dorian wasn't his best shape, but the day Milos beats Dorian in the actual competition is the day Allen Iverson leads the NBA in field goal percentage. If he'd finished second or third, you'd have a point. But he was tenth. And no 10th-placed Mr Olympia contestant in history deserved to beat the actual winner.
you are absolutely right. Milos would never beat Dorian in competition. But that pic, if it is ever found, illustrates what many on this board think:
Dorian, when viewed from the front, was nothing special. (other than his lats of course).
But his taper and quad seperation were really really bad in some contests.
For example, why is it that Dorian's quads look completely different than most other bodybuilders?
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy126.jpg)
(http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1577&stc=1)
on most bodybuilders, you can see all of the muscle groups on the upper thigh. On Dorian, you never could.
This is why I have always felt that dorian's quads were a MAJOR weakness when viewed from the front.
and it is flaws like this that make it possible for a barely top 10 Mr. Olympia competitor (at least back then in 1997) to look better than the six time champ from the front.
Sorry, but its true.
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Yates quads in fact are strange - the rectus femoris? or muscles beside the teardrops insert very high or infact not at all, giving the impression dorian actually lacks the muscles. You can't flaw the mans hams or calves but he definelty lacks the outer sweep and quad flair of other bbers
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Yates quads in fact are strange - the rectus femoris? or muscles beside the teardrops insert very high or infact not at all, giving the impression dorian actually lacks the muscles.
exactly - this is a major, major flaw since it is so unique among top bodybuilders.
the more you look at it, the more and more advantages that someone like ronnie would have against Dorian become apparent..
actually, the quad flaw should have cost Yates points against smaller guys like shawn:
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy177.jpg)
but it didn't because Yates was so much more massive, the judges didn't care.
it should be obvious that the same trick would not work against Ronnie.
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oh come on ND. You are claiming that because Dorian beat Paul fuckin' Dillett (who has mass and taper) that he would beat Ronnie?
come on!
the argument about Ronnie's taper vs. Dorians taper is totally correct for following reasons:
1. Paul Dillett was nowhere near in the same class as Shawn Ray or Flex Wheeler at their peaks (so the fact that Dorian beat Paul has no bearing on how he would do against Ronnie).
2. Paul had no back. (he had loads of potential, but never realized it).
so, the argument still holds true: Dorian never EVER faced anyone with the size, taper and collection of bodyparts that Ronnie has.
He faced smaller, better tapered guys and overwhelmed them with a large weight advantage.
In Ronnie, he would face some with with a better taper, just as much mass, and no weight advantage, and, unlike Flex and Shawn, a complete back that rivals Dorian's.
Why is this not difficult to understand?
Dorian dominated smaller guys. In facing ronnie, his main advantage would be lost.
ronnie would:
- match dorian in mass
-have a better taper
-rival if not beat his back
-be far more striated than Dorian ever was
Seems like dorian would have one hell of a time with ronnie.
So according to you " Dorian never EVER faced anyone with the size, taper and collection of bodyparts that Ronnie has."
Wrong , Dorian in his first Mr Olympia otright BEAT Lee Haney in the musculairty round , and guess what Lee Haney had a much better V-taper and a much smaller waist than Dorian , oh and Haney was 250lbs about 5lb heavier than an all-time best 01 ASC Ronnie and Haney had a great collection of bodyparts that included , one of the best chests ever , one of the best backs , great delts and awesome triceps oh not to mention full diamond shape calves , so your theory about a better V-taper being an advantage falls short as well as the statement " Dorian never EVER faced anyone with the size , taper and collection of bodyparts that Ronnie has "
And Dorian did face bigger guys than him again wrong again , Nasser El Sonbaty outweighed Yates , as did Paul Dillet , and Jean Pierre Fux , Ian Harrison , as well as beating much smaller and aesthetic guys .
As respective bests , Dorian would outweigh Ronnie by 10lbs have better balance & proportion , and conditioning , he even has those ass-striations you love ::) and would win by virtue of looking better & more complete in the mandatory poses , whats funny if you go on about Ronnie's " much superior taper " yet it does nothing for him when it counts in the front latspread , Dorian has everything Ronnie has an more , Yates is a winner , he has only been beaten twice and he beat Momo to avenge that loss and he beat Haney in the muscularity round something no one was able to do he dented the greatest Mr Olympia armor , he beat Flex Wheeler in 93 with straight firsts Ronnie just barely beat Flex in probably the closest Mr Olympia ever , Ronnie was beaten by almost everyone on the pro circuit , granted he wasn't at his best but he is very beatable , Yates entered 17 Pro contests and won 15 of them , Ronnie entered 45 Pro contests and won 26 , lets see Yates has a 88% win rate and Ronnie has 57% win rate , Ronnie has been competing Professionaly for 12 years , Yates competed for for 7 , now I'm not saying it would be a blow-out but I am saying Yates would edge out Coleman once again.
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exactly - this is a major, major flaw since it is so unique among top bodybuilders.
the more you look at it, the more and more advantages that someone like ronnie would have against Dorian become apparent..
actually, the quad flaw should have cost Yates points against smaller guys like shawn:
but it didn't because Yates was so much more massive, the judges didn't care.
it should be obvious that the same trick would not work against Ronnie.
I love how you pick-up on small things and very dramatically declare " this is a major major flaw " lol I'll be the first to admit that Yates didn't have upper quad sepration like Samir Bannout , however if you want to use that as an advantage for Coleman knock yourself out then I'll counter with Coleman not having full developed Satorius muscle of the upper thighs , in fact not many Pro did to the extent Yates did , check it out in this pic , you can clearly see how well developed it is , sick sick separtion , in his quads.
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Dorian has grossly overdeveloped vastus medialis and lateralis and has grossly underdeveloped rectus femoris. His vastus muscles are so overdeveloped they actually touch. Very strange quad development, but Dorian’s always been an overachiever with average genetics (at least compared to Ronnie anyway).
Unfortunately, he also shows poor tricep development as well has hamstring mass in that pic. he's a great overachiever, but when a guy is dieted down as much has he his and he still dosen't have much quad sweep and separation, that unfortunately is a genetic thing and can't be changed. Shawn Ray and Platz are guys that have the "cuts" in the quads that Dorian dosen't. Again, it's due to their genetics. You could probably take the skin off of Dorian's thighs and he still wouldn't have the cuts that Shawn Ray has (or Ronnies for that matter).
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I love how you pick-up on small things and very dramatically declare " this is a major major flaw " lol I'll be the first to admit that Yates didn't have upper quad sepration like Samir Bannout , however if you want to use that as an advantage for Coleman knock yourself out then I'll counter with Coleman not having full developed Satorius muscle of the upper thighs , in fact not many Pro did to the extent Yates did , check it out in this pic , you can clearly see how well developed it is , sick sick separtion , in his quads.
wrong:
(http://www.dennis-james.com/Gallery/01ac/images/full/djames_AC03zc.jpg)
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Dorian has grossly overdeveloped vastus medialis and lateralis and has grossly underdeveloped rectus femoris. His vastus muscles are so overdeveloped they actually touch. Very strange quad development, but Dorian’s always been an overachiever with average genetics (at least compared to Ronnie anyway).
Unfortunately, he also shows poor tricep development as well has hamstring mass in that pic. he's a great overachiever, but when a guy is dieted down as much has he his and he still dosen't have much quad sweep and separation, that unfortunately is a genetic thing and can't be changed. Shawn Ray and Platz are guys that have the "cuts" in the quads that Dorian dosen't. Again, it's due to their genetics. You could probably take the skin off of Dorian't thighs and he still wouldn't have the cuts that Shawn Ray has.
I laughed when I read " average genetics " that was funny !
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So according to you " Dorian never EVER faced anyone with the size, taper and collection of bodyparts that Ronnie has."
Wrong , Dorian in his first Mr Olympia otright BEAT Lee Haney in the musculairty round , and guess what Lee Haney had a much better V-taper and a much smaller waist than Dorian , oh and Haney was 250lbs about 5lb heavier than an all-time best 01 ASC Ronnie and Haney had a great collection of bodyparts that included , one of the best chests ever , one of the best backs , great delts and awesome triceps oh not to mention full diamond shape calves , so your theory about a better V-taper being an advantage falls short as well as the statement " Dorian never EVER faced anyone with the size , taper and collection of bodyparts that Ronnie has "
And Dorian did face bigger guys than him again wrong again , Nasser El Sonbaty outweighed Yates , as did Paul Dillet , and Jean Pierre Fux , Ian Harrison , as well as beating much smaller and aesthetic guys .
As respective bests , Dorian would outweigh Ronnie by 10lbs have better balance & proportion , and conditioning , he even has those ass-striations you love ::) and would win by virtue of looking better & more complete in the mandatory poses , whats funny if you go on about Ronnie's " much superior taper " yet it does nothing for him when it counts in the front latspread , Dorian has everything Ronnie has an more , Yates is a winner , he has only been beaten twice and he beat Momo to avenge that loss and he beat Haney in the muscularity round something no one was able to do he dented the greatest Mr Olympia armor , he beat Flex Wheeler in 93 with straight firsts Ronnie just barely beat Flex in probably the closest Mr Olympia ever , Ronnie was beaten by almost everyone on the pro circuit , granted he wasn't at his best but he is very beatable , Yates entered 17 Pro contests and won 15 of them , Ronnie entered 45 Pro contests and won 26 , lets see Yates has a 88% win rate and Ronnie has 57% win rate , Ronnie has been competing Professionaly for 12 years , Yates competed for for 7 , now I'm not saying it would be a blow-out but I am saying Yates would edge out Coleman once again.
I stand corrected: you are completely correct: Dorian HAS faced someone with the size, shape, bodyparts and taper that ronnie had: Lee Haney.
AND HE LOST!
I rest my case.
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[I laughed when I read " average genetics " that was funny !
Dorian's got several impressive bodyparts, but respect to his quad genetics, yep it is funny...
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I stand corrected: you are completely correct: Dorian HAS faced someone with the size, shape, bodyparts and taper that ronnie had: Lee Haney.
AND HE LOST!
I rest my case.
He beat the heaviest Mr Olympia winner up until that point in the musculairty round and lost what the posing round? lol this was his first Mr Olympia EVER and where was Ronnie at his first Olympia? oh thats right dead last . ;)
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wrong:
(http://www.dennis-james.com/Gallery/01ac/images/full/djames_AC03zc.jpg)
Oh yes not nearly as sharp and developed as Yates ;) and BTW nice distension on the gut.
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These Ronnie fa ggot groupies cannot get over the fact that, speculation aside, Dorian has ACTUALLY defeated Ronnie several times, while Ronnie has never taken down The Shadow, even once. Point for The Yates, there.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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These Ronnie fa ggot groupies cannot get over the fact that, speculation aside, Dorian has ACTUALLY defeated Ronnie several times, while Ronnie has never taken down The Shadow, even once. Point for The Yates, there.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
yup. Dorian beat Ronnie. In 1992 and 1994. Not 1998 or 1999.
just a slight difference in Ronnie's physique from 1992 as compared to 1999.
just slight.
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WHYTE HYPE. There are about 5 guys i can name that eclipse yates,
FLEX
LEVRONE
DILETT
NASSER
SHAWN
to compare Ronnie to yates is to compare a chunk of shit to a 20 carrot diamond.
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Yates has owned Ronnie so far in all the comparison pics - just as he owned him in the actual competition. Lights out Coleman.
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yup. Dorian beat Ronnie. In 1992 and 1994. Not 1998 or 1999.
just a slight difference in Ronnie's physique from 1992 as compared to 1999.
just slight.
Jim Manion, NPC president and fromer Mr.O judge, has actually said that Dorian would defeat Coleman. Case closed.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Yates has owned Ronnie so far in all the comparison pics - just as he owned him in the actual competition. Lights out Coleman.
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so you thought that Dorian had a better most muscular pose? are you insane?
ps- if Ronnie at his best were to take on Dorian (dorian has stated in the past that the felt that the 95 version of himself was his best ever form) he would loose.
why?
because to take on the guy with arguably bodybuildings greatest biceps ever with one missing biceps muscle (post tear) is asking for a loss.
that would be a HUGE disadvantage, in addition to the "missing" quad muscles from the front.
dorian is insane if he thinks that ANY post tear version of himself is better than 93 or 92.
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WHYTE HYPE. There are about 5 guys i can name that eclipse yates,
FLEX
LEVRONE
DILETT
NASSER
SHAWN
to compare Ronnie to yates is to compare a chunk of shit to a 20 carrot diamond.
Why the 180. You were all for ronnie besting dorian and now you've changed your mind?
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I agree. Dorian = 20 carat diamond. Ronnie = shit :D
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WHYTE HYPE. There are about 5 guys i can name that eclipse yates,
FLEX
LEVRONE
DILETT
NASSER
SHAWN
to compare Ronnie to yates is to compare a chunk of shit to a 20 carrot diamond.
What a retarded post. And you put it in bold as well. None of those guys beat Yates ever in competition. Not once. In a period when all were at career peaks.
Your comment is so ludicrous that it absolutely must have been a wind-up.
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but it didn't because Yates was so much more massive, the judges didn't care.
it should be obvious that the same trick would not work against Ronnie.
Although the identical logic could be applied to several of his 'wins', as I'm sure you'd agree. ;)
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so you thought that Dorian had a better most muscular pose? are you insane?
ps- if Ronnie at his best were to take on Dorian (dorian has stated in the past that the felt that the 95 version of himself was his best ever form) he would loose.
why?
because to take on the guy with arguably bodybuildings greatest biceps ever with one missing biceps muscle (post tear) is asking for a loss.
that would be a HUGE disadvantage, in addition to the "missing" quad muscles from the front.
dorian is insane if he thinks that ANY post tear version of himself is better than 93 or 92.
Lets Yates would loose because Ronnie has better biceps? lol poor logic , using your logic Yates would win because he has better calves , oh and how about Ronnie's missing calves? that would be no disadvantage? and what about Ronnie mediocre
ide head of his triceps that wouldn't be a HUGE disadvantage though because its Ronnie lol oh and lets not forget Ronnie's mediocre abs ;) look you can break it down part by part both men have some weaknesses but when push comes to shove Dorian at his best would have a 10lb weight advantage plus better balance & proportion , he would simply look better in most of the mandatory poses ontop of having an edge on conditioning , purely from a mathematical standpoint Yates would win just based on his higher winning percentage 88% vs 57%
And as far as the most muscular pose is concerned I would say Yates in 95 beats Ronnie 01 ASC take a look
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I think one thing to remember that, despite all the naysaying and speculation about how Dorian should have lost in '94 and '97, I don't believe anybody got very close to him at all in any of his Mr O wins scoring-wise. I think he basically blew everyone away. Back in '93 I believe Bannout said he was first, second and third, and Ray himself said in one year ('93 or '95) that Dorian was untouchable. I think Flex said something similar. He beat these super-elite guys at their peaks, and none of them got close to him at all (I think Nasser ran him the closest one year, possibly '97).
(Incidentally, is Colemans 9th in 1997 to 1st in 1998 the biggest leap for a Mr O winner?)
With Ronnie, however, he's been ran close many a time, and has had comparable 'gifts' to what Yates is always accused of by the haters. Most people gave Cutler the edge in 2001, despite the failed tests afterwards (which are irrelevant to the judges decision, although with hindsight I always wondered whether the Weiders knew in advance and wanted to make sure they didn't have to disqualify the actual Mr O, and so gave Cutler the #2 spot to play it safer). A lot of people think Kevin Levrone edged Coleman in 2002 (including Levrone himself, obviously. :D).
Also, whilst Levrone was arguably still at peak, most of the true greats of the 90s had faded (Flex, Nasser, Ray, etc) and it's probably a fair point that Ronnie was not competing against the same class of competitors that Yates was in his reign.
We also need to consider that if Yates had not been basically forced into retirement, he may well have come back with a Coleman-like package in 1998 or 1999; there's no reason to suspect he wasn't capable of another 20 pounds of muscle (or more) given that he's only a inch shorter than Ronnie.
Finally, Yates in '93 took the Mr O competition to an entirely new level, and he was as big a winner as any Mr O in history has ever been, before or since. He was that far ahead of the rest of the field. Ronnie has never really had that, although in 2003 he came close to such a domination.
I think, on paper, the Ronnie of ASC-peak 2001 would beat the Dorian of 1993 (assuming that's his best shape) but Yates retired a relatively young man. To be fair to them both, if he'd continued without injury I have no doubt that he'd have found a way to compete and probably beat an at-peak Coleman, although one shudders to think just how big the guts would have got before the judges decided to blow the whistle on them.
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Here is the 1997 Mr O, check it out
http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/1997/mro-pics.htm?
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So Ronnie doesn't have calves? His calves are easily among the biggest in the history of bodybuilding!
Coleman's popsicle stick calves, the biggest ever???
this easily wins the most ridiculous statement of this thread award.
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Yates looks great in that most muscular pic. One of Ronnie's unfortunate weakness is in fact his posing. His front lat spread, side tricep and side chest poses could use some improvements. Dorian front lat spread is amazing. He keeps his chest and ribcage very high, whereas Ronnie tend to cave his chest in a little. Quad still lack any real rectus femoris, but no amount of posing practice will help him develop that muscle :-\
I think the following pic is one of the best front lat spreads I've ever seen...
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Lets Yates would loose because Ronnie has better biceps? lol poor logic , using your logic Yates would win because he has better calves , oh and how about Ronnie's missing calves? that would be no disadvantage? and what about Ronnie mediocre
ide head of his triceps that wouldn't be a HUGE disadvantage though because its Ronnie lol oh and lets not forget Ronnie's mediocre abs ;) look you can break it down part by part both men have some weaknesses but when push comes to shove Dorian at his best would have a 10lb weight advantage plus better balance & proportion , he would simply look better in most of the mandatory poses ontop of having an edge on conditioning , purely from a mathematical standpoint Yates would win just based on his higher winning percentage 88% vs 57%
And as far as the most muscular pose is concerned I would say Yates in 95 beats Ronnie 01 ASC take a look
Let me ask you this, in pumping iron, when Arnold was asked to pose in front of the prisoners, did he whip out his calf? No, he flexed his arm.
This is the same attitude that the judges have, had, and always will have;
muscles like calves and triceps will ALWAYS be secondary in the minds of judges when compared to biceps, pectorials and quadriceps etc.
so yes, Yates would be at an early disadvantage right from the get-go if he ever had competed against Ronnie, who can make a reasonable claim to having history's greatest biceps.
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I think one thing to remember that, despite all the naysaying and speculation about how Dorian should have lost in '94 and '97, I don't believe anybody got very close to him at all in any of his Mr O wins scoring-wise. I think he basically blew everyone away. Back in '93 I believe Bannout said he was first, second and third, and Ray himself said in one year ('93 or '95) that Dorian was untouchable. I think Flex said something similar. He beat these super-elite guys at their peaks, and none of them got close to him at all (I think Nasser ran him the closest one year, possibly '97).
(Incidentally, is Colemans 9th in 1997 to 1st in 1998 the biggest leap for a Mr O winner?)
With Ronnie, however, he's been ran close many a time, and has had comparable 'gifts' to what Yates is always accused of by the haters. Most people gave Cutler the edge in 2001, despite the failed tests afterwards (which are irrelevant to the judges decision, although with hindsight I always wondered whether the Weiders knew in advance and wanted to make sure they didn't have to disqualify the actual Mr O, and so gave Cutler the #2 spot to play it safer). A lot of people think Kevin Levrone edged Coleman in 2002 (including Levrone himself, obviously. :D).
Also, whilst Levrone was arguably still at peak, most of the true greats of the 90s had faded (Flex, Nasser, Ray, etc) and it's probably a fair point that Ronnie was not competing against the same class of competitors that Yates was in his reign.
We also need to consider that if Yates had not been basically forced into retirement, he may well have come back with a Coleman-like package in 1998 or 1999; there's no reason to suspect he wasn't capable of another 20 pounds of muscle (or more) given that he's only a inch shorter than Ronnie.
Finally, Yates in '93 took the Mr O competition to an entirely new level, and he was as big a winner as any Mr O in history has ever been, before or since. He was that far ahead of the rest of the field. Ronnie has never really had that, although in 2003 he came close to such a domination.
I think, on paper, the Ronnie of ASC-peak 2001 would beat the Dorian of 1993 (assuming that's his best shape) but Yates retired a relatively young man. To be fair to them both, if he'd continued without injury I have no doubt that he'd have found a way to compete and probably beat an at-peak Coleman, although one shudders to think just how big the guts would have got before the judges decided to blow the whistle on them.
one thing to keep in mind is that I believe that sometimes the judges will normalize contest scoring, so that the number one guy gets a perfect score, the next guy gets a lesser score, even though neither was perfect.
this can be proven by looking at old score sheets, where the number 1 guy got a 5 in each round, the number two guy got a 10, number 3 got 15 etc.
If the judges were not normalizing the scoring, why would each competitor get the same in each round? You would think that they might get a 6, or an 8, 12 etc etc.
Secondly, I would argue that in terms of sheer difference between 1 and 2, ronnie's win in 2003 was won of the most dominating EVER, perhaps even more so than Dorian's 1993 win.
How can you tell?
Well, even today, there are people that felt that Flex should have won in 1993.
But I don't think I have EVER heard anyone say that Jay should have beaten Ronnie in 2003.
Both wins, 1993 and 2003 were Ronnie and Dorian setting new standards respectively.
Another thing to consider:
we all know what happened when a bodybuilder with a great taper added way to much mass (ronnie): he turned into shit.
Can you imagine what a bodybuilder with a not-so-great taper would look like with too much mass (dorian)?
That is why I can't even begin to imagine how bad dorian would have looked at 290 pounds or so, probably something like this:
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy121.jpg)
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everytime someone mentions dorian's most muscular pose, someone posts that pic.
but to be honest, I am not impressed at all. The only think that jumps out at me in that shot is Dorian's amazing calves.
but looks at his arms and quads: they have almost NO seperation at all.
that is not what a most muscular pose is supposed to look like.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=43892.0;id=45835;image)
its amazing what a little shape, seperation and vascularity can do, isn't it? ;)
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Hulkster keep grasping at straws bro thats all you can do ;) and I love how you say the judges always take into account chest , quads and biceps first lol the whole way judging is based is to take into account all the muscles not just certain ones thats why they did away with best bodypart awards and if you want to get technical mediocre biceps can be hidden weak calves cannot
You feel Coleman has the better chest of the two yet his sidechest pose isn't as good as Yates , why? because one Ronnie can't hit this shot ( among others ) and because his delts tend to overshadow his sidechest shot , You say Coleman has an advantage with a superior V-taper and a much smaller waist & hips , yet this doesn't help with his front latspread , which Yates again wins , you feel Coleman has better quads yet this doesn't help him beat Yates in the ab-thigh pose Yates wins this one as well , the backs are close , but if we're talking career bests its Yates who would have an edge on thickness and maybe even width , you ever notice that the judges when calling for back shots ask for one leg to be placed back ? this is so they can take in account the calves , so with backs being probably equal with maybe a slight edge going to Yates I'm sure that edge would work in Yates favor , while on paper Coleman may have some theoretical advnatages in bodyparts yet what works in theory doesn't always work out in practice , hence why Yates simply looks much better in most of the mandatory poses .
Career bests
Size - Yates 255lbs - Coleman 245lbs - Advantage Yates
Shape - push - Coleman has some better shaped muscles and so does Yates
Conditioning - Yates it may be slight but Yates none the less
Balance & Proportion - Yates
Aesthetics - While Ronnie isn't in Bob Paris leauge its safe to say his phsique is more appealing ( at his best ever ) than Yates
Side Chest - Yates
Side Tri - Yates
Front Double Bi - Well throw Ronnie a bone because of the the torn bicep
Rear Double Bi - Yates , you can't see the torn bi back here and he has those calves
Ab - Thigh - Yates
Front Latspread - Yates
Rear Latspread - Yates
Most Muscular - at career bests Yates
Posing - Yates - he knows how to effectively pose and pose properly , Ronnie does his side chest shot wrong , as well as latspreads , in the rearlatspread he always leans forward you're supposed to stand straight , his front latspread looks akward
Bottom line Yates was only beaten by 2 men in his professional career , once to Momo when Yates was 228lbs , later which he aveneged , and by the greatest Mr Olympia ever Lee Haney , which Yates beat in the muscularity round , either way he lost but he managed to bring it to Haney which no one ever did , he said that in 92 he would have beat Haney outright , Ronnie on the other hand has been beaten by a ton of guys on the pro circuit he was a slow starter but he did come into his own but remember he also lost while he was a Mr Olympia something that Yates never did , so based on his history and his win percentage and his dominating mandatories I think Yates at a career best would beat Coleman .
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Rear Double Bi - Yates , you can't see the torn bi back here and he has those calves
you are totally insane:
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/976994047.jpg)
you think THIS is a better back double bi than Ronnie's?? Oh, and your right - you can't see the torn bi here - you can't see EITHER of them because Dorian's biceps disappear from the back.. ::)
side chest:
Who said ronnie's side chest shot was not as good as Yates:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=43892.0;id=45830;image)
dorian's side chest never looked this good: note the striations in Ronnie's chest. Again, something that dorian barely had. Also, notice the seperation in the legs and arms.
Side tri - Yates I agree
Ab and thigh - Yates
Front lat - Yates - but barely. Why you ask? Because Yates lacks upper chest, quad and arm seperation that Ronnie displays in his front lat spread.
most muscular - you are insane if you think Yates has a better mm than Ronnie - look at all the comparison shots - Yates gets killed
Rear lat - Ronnie but it is close
Front double bi - I love how you subtlely imply that you think Yates is better in this pose when it does nothing but showcase his blocky taper and less than stellar biceps. ronnie dsstroys him.
so, thats: Ronnie with a 5 to 3 advantage in the mandatories, and given that he had a much better taper, he would probably win the symmetry round. Yates would probably win the posing round.
But that still leaves Ronnie the winner by a clear margin.
ps - please explain how Yates was more conditioned than Ronnie at his best.
ronnie was striated all over. Just beacause his muscles look "inflated" does NOT mean he was less conditioned:
It simply means he had larger and better shaped muscles. With striations on them.
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ND,I think you are forgetting just how good Ronnie's back used to be:
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/41.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/44.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/45.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/50.jpg)
I think he would edge out Yates on the back shots. I don't think yates ever had this kind of detail and size. His back double bi has always been less than great.
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ND,I think you are forgetting just how good Ronnie's back used to be:
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/41.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/44.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/45.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/50.jpg)
I think he would edge out Yates on the back shots. I don't think yates ever had this kind of detail and size. His back double bi has always been less than great.
Personally, I think the best Ronnie ever was the one we saw at the 99 O, when he came in the same shape as in 98, except a few pounds heavier. In 2001, he was too depleted and haden't gained any mass in the past two years. In 2003, Ronnie came in too big for his structure, obviously holding a considerable amount of bodyfat(6%) and water under his skin. His 99 shape, when he was 250 lbs, at 4% bodyfat and holding no film of water under his skin was perfect, as he showed full detail in his back, abs and thighs, with no muscle being overpowering and with a tight midsection.
Dorian's best shape ever, I think, was at the 96 O-which I happened to attend. At 255 lbs, at 2% bodyfat and dehydrated to point of almost needing a Potassium IV, Dorian showed extreme dryness, detail and separation. The minus was that he lost some of his incredible density and fullness, looking a little flat(even though he was still, by far, the fullest of the contest). Next year, Dorian weighed 266 lbs for pre-judging, ballooning to 274 lbs by the night show. His density and hardness were at their all time best, being, in fact, the greatest ever seen in all times. He was still carrying his trademark 2% bodyfat, with almost no water under his skin. However, being almost 20 lbs heavier than the past year had it's bad consequences too. For one, Dorian's midsection was wider, taking away from his balance, and he lost detail in his thighs, chest and also some on his back. He was by FAR the best of the contest, but Dorian failed to translate his extreme density and dryness AND crispness of detail ith muscular balance with his 270 lbs+ package.
Comparing Dorian to Ronnie can take two different forms. The first involves comparing the best of Ronnie vs the best of Dorian, and the second involves the biggest of Ronnie vs the biggest of Dorian. Let's start with the first. So, let's compare the 255 lbs Dorian from 96 to the 250 lbs Ronnie from 99. Ronnie showed slightly better detail and thigh development than Dorian, at that weight. He also displayed a more classical V-taper, with a great shoulder-toaist ratio. Dorian, on the other hand, trashes Ronnie in density, overall development, back detail, calves and traps development and annihilates him in conditioning. Point for Dorian. Now let's compare the 97 O Dorian to the 2004 Ronnie. Dorian was 274 lbs by the night show, at 2% bodyfat and superbly dry. Ronnie was 296 lbs at the 2004 O, at 5% or 6% bodyfat and clearly holding a thick film of water under his skin. Ronnie showed greater thigh and delt development than Dorian, but Dorian took Ronnie on calves, traps, hamstrings and chest. Ronnie's lats were as wide as Dorian's, but still not as thick. Ronnie's physique was completely out of proportion, with his waist being too wide for his delts and his trap and delt mass overpowering his chest. Ronnie's conditioning was one of the worst I've ever seen on a pro. Besides his unacceptable level of fat and water retained under his skin, he had un overrall bloated look on his entire body, making him display terrible muscular detail for a pro; I've seen NPC competitors show better separation than that. Point for The Yates. I've been to the 1996, 1997, 1999 and 2003 Olympias and I must say that, taking into consideration everything(mass, structure, density, detail and conditioning), Dorian was the superior bodybuilder. As Samir Bannout, Lee Labrada, Mike Mentzer, Sergio Oliva and Michael Francois have all said, at one moment or other:"Dorian is the greatest bodybuilder of all times". I second that.
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Dorian took Ronnie on calves, traps, hamstrings and chest.
lol you think dorian beats ronnie on traps, hamstrings and chest, hahahaha!!!
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Personally, I think the best Ronnie ever was the one we saw at the 99 O, when he came in the same shape as in 98, except a few pounds heavier. In 2001, he was too depleted and haden't gained any mass in the past two years. In 2003, Ronnie came in too big for his structure, obviously holding a considerable amount of bodyfat(6%) and water under his skin. His 99 shape, when he was 250 lbs, at 4% bodyfat and holding no film of water under his skin was perfect, as he showed full detail in his back, abs and thighs, with no muscle being overpowering and with a tight midsection.
Dorian's best shape ever, I think, was at the 96 O-which I happened to attend. At 255 lbs, at 2% bodyfat and dehydrated to point of almost needing a Potassium IV, Dorian showed extreme dryness, detail and separation. The minus was that he lost some of his incredible density and fullness, looking a little flat(even though he was still, by far, the fullest of the contest). Next year, Dorian weighed 266 lbs for pre-judging, ballooning to 274 lbs by the night show. His density and hardness were at their all time best, being, in fact, the greatest ever seen in all times. He was still carrying his trademark 2% bodyfat, with almost no water under his skin. However, being almost 20 lbs heavier than the past year had it's bad consequences too. For one, Dorian's midsection was wider, taking away from his balance, and he lost detail in his thighs, chest and also some on his back. He was by FAR the best of the contest, but Dorian failed to translate his extreme density and dryness AND crispness of detail ith muscular balance with his 270 lbs+ package.
Comparing Dorian to Ronnie can take two different forms. The first involves comparing the best of Ronnie vs the best of Dorian, and the second involves the biggest of Ronnie vs the biggest of Dorian. Let's start with the first. So, let's compare the 255 lbs Dorian from 96 to the 250 lbs Ronnie from 99. Ronnie showed slightly better detail and thigh development than Dorian, at that weight. He also displayed a more classical V-taper, with a great shoulder-toaist ratio. Dorian, on the other hand, trashes Ronnie in density, overall development, back detail, calves and traps development and annihilates him in conditioning. Point for Dorian. Now let's compare the 97 O Dorian to the 2004 Ronnie. Dorian was 274 lbs by the night show, at 2% bodyfat and superbly dry. Ronnie was 296 lbs at the 2004 O, at 5% or 6% bodyfat and clearly holding a thick film of water under his skin. Ronnie showed greater thigh and delt development than Dorian, but Dorian took Ronnie on calves, traps, hamstrings and chest. Ronnie's lats were as wide as Dorian's, but still not as thick. Ronnie's physique was completely out of proportion, with his waist being too wide for his delts and his trap and delt mass overpowering his chest. Ronnie's conditioning was one of the worst I've ever seen on a pro. Besides his unacceptable level of fat and water retained under his skin, he had un overrall bloated look on his entire body, making him display terrible muscular detail for a pro; I've seen NPC competitors show better separation than that. Point for The Yates. I've been to the 1996, 1997, 1999 and 2003 Olympias and I must say that, taking into consideration everything(mass, structure, density, detail and conditioning), Dorian was the superior bodybuilder. As Samir Bannout, Lee Labrada, Mike Mentzer, Sergio Oliva and Michael Francois have all said, at one moment or other:"Dorian is the greatest bodybuilder of all times". I second that.
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Dorian beats Ronnie on Calves, Forearms, and his Chest may not have been more developed but it looked better than Ronnie's. Ronnie's chest droops down.
(http://www.terra.es/personal2/fjposada/yates02.jpg)
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I feel sorry for you. I hope life starts treating you better.
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I feel sorry for you. I hope life starts treating you better.
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thanks for the support.
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I am still laughing at the comment that Dorian trashes Ronnie in back detail.
I guess the pics I posted from the 99 british grand prix must be a little fuzzy on some computers.. ::)
and the comment about lat thickness was pretty funny too. In 2003 at 287 pounds, I would argue that Ronnie's lats were thicker than just about anyone's:
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/6xo8.jpg)
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Well, even today, there are people that felt that Flex should have won in 1993.
I've never heard anyone say this. Even Flex himself admits that 93 Dorian just annihilated everyone at the O. And like I said before, a 93 Wheeler would have beated Ronnie at the 98 olympia...
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Yep, Ronnie wins with the back double biceps pose. Dorian's lack of biceps, triceps, glutes detail and absolutely no sweep of the thighs would really stand out if they posed side by side together.
One of the reason's Dorian's calves look so big is b/c very narrow and strange upper thigh development. He did what Arnold used to do. Build up the calves to make the thighs look bigger.
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I've never heard anyone say this. Even Flex himself admits that 93 Dorian just annihilated everyone at the O. And like I said before, a 93 Wheeler would have beated Ronnie at the 98 olympia...
Actually, quite a few people have stated this in many different Ronnie vs. Dorian threads on this board.
(http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1658&stc=1)
its not hard to see why...
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Actually, quite a few people have stated this in many different Ronnie vs. Dorian threads on this board.
(http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1658&stc=1)
its not hard to see why...
Pictures mean nothing, if bodybuilding was judged on pictures, I could have made a case for Jay to win the O this year....we all know of course that outcome would have been laughable
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Indeed. You usually make some reasonable points Hulkster but the Flex/Dorian statement from 93 is nonsense and I think you probably know it. NOBODY thought Flex had won in 1993 - even Flex himself. And when the runners-up concede, you know the winner IS Mr Olympia. Nobody thought it then, and nobody thinks it now.
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Dan " Dorian Yates on his best day vs Ronnie Coleman on his best day who wins ? "
Dorian's best day the back & white photos of Yates right before the 1993 Mr Olympia at 269lbs , Ronnie's best day 2001 Arnold Classic at 245lbs no conest Yates beats Ronnie in every single pose period end of sentence. , Lil Flip Game Over.
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Every single pose. :o
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Indeed. You usually make some reasonable points Hulkster but the Flex/Dorian statement from 93 is nonsense and I think you probably know it. NOBODY thought Flex had won in 1993 - even Flex himself. And when the runners-up concede, you know the winner IS Mr Olympia. Nobody thought it then, and nobody thinks it now.
would you like me to dig up old posts from different members of this board?
Sorry, but you are wrong.
some felt that Flex's more aesthetic physique was much more appealing and better looking than Dorian's, even at the 93 Olympia.
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I think Ronnie looked better at the 99 British Grand Prix than he did at the Arnold Classic.
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/47.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/52.jpg)
ronnie in this shape would wipe the floor with Dorian. Dorian has Better conditioning - yeah right- not at this show. Check out the back shots I posted earlier.
and you are insane if you think that the shot of the Yates back double bi, with its lack of detail beats that Coleman shot.
I already showed you with my earlier pics that Ronnie takes Yates in the mandatories 5 to 3.
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would you like me to dig up old posts from different members of this board?
Sorry, but you are wrong.
some felt that Flex's more aesthetic physique was much more appealing and better looking than Dorian's, even at the 93 Olympia.
Flex said in 93 that Yates was unbeatable , I myself would have prefered Flex to win but that never materialized , but 93 Shawn Ray felt he was robbed out of second and Flex was given a gift .
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I think Ronnie looked better at the 99 British Grand Prix than he did at the Arnold Classic.
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/47.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/52.jpg)
ronnie in this shape would wipe the floor with Dorian. Dorian has Better conditioning - yeah right- not at this show. Check out the back shots I posted earlier.
and you are insane if you think that the shot of the Yates back double bi, with its lack of detail beats that Coleman shot.
I already showed you with my earlier pics that Ronnie takes Yates in the mandatories 5 to 3.
Yates at 269lbs destroys ANY version of Coleman , you keep going on about this 99 Britsih GP and I don't know why , its typical Coleman with great lighting & a dark backround , he looks excellent but he also had a gut if you watch the vid , and look at the pics with Flex and Kevin the lighting makes all of them look great.
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Yates at 269lbs destroys ANY version of Coleman , you keep going on about this 99 Britsih GP and I don't know why , its typical Coleman with great lighting & a dark backround , he looks excellent but he also had a gut if you watch the vid , and look at the pics with Flex and Kevin the lighting makes all of them look great.
you can't use Coleman's gut against him when Yates cleary had a gut at his all time best contest shape.
And the fact that "you don't know why" Coleman looked amazing at the GP show, shows that you are becoming more and more delusional by the minute! Flex, Kevin and Ronnie all looked amazing at that show - because they were!
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hahahaha, i love how Narc posts the Dorian pic and then a Ronnie pic that's half it's size, how convenient. ::)
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Lack of detail in his bacl ::) you come up with some tall stories kid , Yates had amazing detail in his back
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you can't use Coleman's gut against him when Yates cleary had a gut at his all time best contest shape.
And the fact that "you don't know why" Coleman looked amazing at the GP show, shows that you are becoming more and more delusional by the minute! Flex, Kevin and Ronnie all looked amazing at that show - because they were!
What part of " he looked excellent " didn't you see? you keep going on about that contest and he looked like he did in 98/99 excellent but that particular contest they had a very dark backround and dramatic lighting which adds to the effect , that version of Coleman is no more spectacular then his 98 O or 99 O just better lighting and again he looked excellent.
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hahahaha, i love how Narc posts the Dorian pic and then a Ronnie pic that's half it's size, how convenient. ::)
Not convenient I didn't scan those pics of Ronnie I got them from a site , if I had scanned them I would have made them just as big , whoever put the Ronnie pics on the new made them small not me .
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Lack of detail in his bacl ::) you come up with some tall stories kid , Yates had amazing detail in his back
not in his upper back.
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Not convenient I didn't scan those pics of Ronnie I got them from a site , if I had scanned them I would have made them just as big , whoever put the Ronnie pics on the new made them small not me .
why are you posting lat spreads where Ronnie is not fully flexing yet?
now, THAT is convienient. ::)
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Why Yates won is more obvious on video, pics don't fully convey the unusual density. Density and calves he had over Ron, that's about it.
Other than that, he had:
-OK arm size at best - kid-like compared to Ron. So-so size along with average cuts and mediocre refinement.
-Waist n' hips too big, lacks taper in comparison.
-Decent overall size, nothing special
The crab shot is embarassing, given Yates' striking lack of volume and detail in comparison with Ron. Yates also has larger joints = less sweep.
Remind me again how he beat Dillet even once, other than politics and the fact he's white?
Debating the obvious becomes boring.
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Yates looked awful in every mr o win other than his first 2. Check out the pics from the 97 Mr O on this site - arms smaller (proportionally) than ever and gut (absolutly) bigger than ever. What a sack of shit whose disgusting victories are largely responsible for the trash we see on stage today.
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It's true. As mentioned by Schwarzenegger at the time, we have Yates to thank for the powerlifter look.
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Narcissist accept the fukkin realty, your horse stated that Ronnie is above and beyond what he ever was.
Let it go man, Ronnie is king! Compare your horse to a jaw gutler or nasser... he doesnt belong in the same sentence as Big Country.
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the embarrasing crab shot showcases quite nicely everything that the Dorian fans can't seem to grasp"
-Dorian had poor muscle shape
-Dorian had poor upper and lower (quads anyone?) body detail
when compared to Ronnie.
And this doesn't even cover the aforementioned taper differences.
Calves alone don't make for a better physique.
Both Dorian and Ronnie were big, but only one had the total body shape and detail to go along with it.
the only part of Dorian's entire body that was ever really detailed was his lower back.
With Ronnie at his best, you have his upper and lower back being detailed,, along with his, delts, quads pecs, hell even his BICEPS had seperation!!
Look at it this way:
Most will agree that ronnie has a collection of amazing bodyparts.
When you look at the fact that his taper was far superior to Dorian's,
it would be an easy win for Ronnie.
Yes, easy. Dorian dominated Flex and Shawn who had the taper and details like Ronnie did, but they didn't have the size.
In ronnie, you have the complete package, something that Dorian only had to contend with once (Lee Haney) and, low and behold, he lost.
The same thing would happen all over again.
Dorian was just lucky that a beast with the size, detail and taper similar to Ronnie or Haney never really challenged him during his reign.
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ps, and no, ND.
Paul Dillet was NOT the complete package when compared to guys like Haney and Coleman.
So don't even go there ;)
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Hulkster please give it a rest.
earlier in this thread i recall u stating u were not going to turn it into yet another
dorian vs. ronnie thread, but i guess neither rain nor snow will stop ronnie's defender
from coming to the rescue....
btw - trying to describe ronnie's water balloon type muscles
as "detailed" is about the funnies argument you've had.
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Hulkster, have you ever been to a Mr. Olympia contest?
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Hulkster, have you ever been to a Mr. Olympia contest?
I've been to four, besides six Arnold Classics. I've already explained the several reasons for Dorian's superiority in a long post, but Coleman's bitches were too busy gagging on his dick to read it. :-\ ;D
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We are talking best shapes here , peep this most muscular at 269lbs baby !! check mate Yates !! oh and didn't you say Hulkster Yates has NO striations in his chest lol wow Ronnie looks petite compred to Yates in this pic.
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not in his upper back.
Open mouth insert foot Hulkster ;)
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I've been to four, besides six Arnold Classics. I've already explained the several reasons for Dorian's superiority in a long post, but Coleman's bitches were too busy gagging on his dick to read it. :-\ ;D
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hold on - you made ridiculous claims like dorian has better hams, traps and chest than Ronnie, and commented that Dorian crushes Ronnie on back detail when in fact his entire upper back was, and has never been, as detailed as guys like ronnie and flex..
That is not "explaining Dorian's superiority".
That is being retarded!
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why are you posting lat spreads where Ronnie is not fully flexing yet?
now, THAT is convienient. ::)
Who says he not fully flexing? you because you don't like the pic. ;)
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Hulkster please give it a rest.
earlier in this thread i recall u stating u were not going to turn it into yet another
dorian vs. ronnie thread, but i guess neither rain nor snow will stop ronnie's defender
from coming to the rescue....
btw - trying to describe ronnie's water balloon type muscles
as "detailed" is about the funnies argument you've had.
they are not "water balloon type muscles" - its called SHAPE - something that dorian was deficient in..
and as far as detail goes, so you now think that STRIATIONS are not details??
These Dorian fans are hilarious.. ::)
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hold on - you made ridiculous claims like dorian has better hams, traps and chest than Ronnie, and commented that Dorian crushes Ronnie on back detail when in fact his entire upper back was, and has never been, as detailed as guys like ronnie and flex..
That is not "explaining Dorian's superiority".
That is being retarded!
You're on crack if you think Dorian had no upper back detail or separation , take a look at this pic genius amazing upper/middle/lower detail & separation , not to mention thickness & width a complete back one of the very best in the sport ever.
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Yup Hulkster Yates never had any upper back detail or sepration lol in fact he looks just like Nasser in this pic lol
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they are not "water balloon type muscles" - its called SHAPE - something that dorian was deficient in..
and as far as detail goes, so you now think that STRIATIONS are not details??
These Dorian fans are hilarious.. ::)
Oh yes we forgot Ronnie doesn't have oddly shapped calves , triceps , abs , glutes , bowling pin forearms , leep talking about muscle shape you're doing a great job. ;)
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Open mouth insert foot Hulkster ;)
he never showed that kind of detail on stage.
Even a "small guy" like Shawn Ray can OWN Yates on upper back detail:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30855.0;id=29844;image)
nevermind ronnie, and this is when he was in shape! (from 95 I believe)
If you think that Dorian's upper back was detailed, you are on some serious crack:
(http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=dorian+yates+nasser/v=2/SID=e/l=IVS/SIG=12pvgfvq4/EXP=1121960059/*-http%3A//www.swhiteside.freeserve.co.uk/images/New_Folder/Big_Backs.jpg)
huge- yes. Detailed - hell no.
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as you can see, I was referring to detail in the rear double biceps pose.. ;)
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he never showed that kind of detail on stage.
Even a "small guy" like Shawn Ray can OWN Yates on upper back detail:
nevermind ronnie, and this is when he was in shape! (from 95 I believe)
If you think that Dorian's upper back was detailed, you are on some serious crack:
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huge- yes. Detailed - hell no.
Boy it just gets easier lol hey genius that pic you said he never showed that kind of detail on stage is about an hour before the 1993 Mr Olympia so open mouth and insert foot once again ;)
Under the bright lights sometimes Yates detail is harder to see because he has fair skin , black guys and guys of Mederterian decent don't have this problem , but under less harsh light its eaiser to see but make NO mistake his back showed AMAZING detail & separtion hence why in the dressing room pic the one where you said he never showed that kind of detail onstage its easier to see without the harsh lights on stage , thank you come again , check the detail & separtion VS Johhny Morant .
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as you can see, I was referring to detail in the rear double biceps pose.. ;)
I'll accept your apology when you're ready lol ;)
All to easy
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Wheeler, beckles and robby robinson own the upper back as far as detail goes. Shortly followed by r.c who trumps the afore mentioned on thickness, width, lat length etc thus given him overall back superiority. Then yates follows who only can only match coleman for detail in the lower back. This is fact. Accept it. Stop flogging a dead horse ND and co. Get over it that your boy has been bested by teh current mr. o, just like haney was by yates - its natural, its called progression
PS. is it just me or does ND repeatedly post pics that have little relevance to his statement liek the above
(http://)
This is detail not what youve posted
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Wheeler, beckles and robby robinson own the upper back as far as detail goes. Shortly followed by r.c who trumps the afore mentioned on thickness, width, lat length etc thus given him overall back superiority. Then yates follows who only can only match coleman for detail in the lower back. This is fact. Accept it. Stop flogging a dead horse ND and co. Get over it that your boy has been bested by teh current mr. o, just like haney was by yates - its natural, its called progression
PS. is it just me or does ND repeatedly post pics that have little relevance to his statement liek the above
(http://)
This is detail not what youve posted
If you can't see any detail in those two above pics get to the eye Drs post haste !!
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ND....Dorian looks like shiate in that most muscular. Give it up. Ronnie blows him away in chest, bi's, hell tri's if he ever hits the shots correctly, thighs, hams, glutes and shoulders. Please, the back is a wash....neither wins. Yates has better calves. Post some true pics of Ronnie in 2003 at 286 lbs. shredded and compare the same poses to Yates at his best 1993-1994. Ronnie is superior. To even compare the Yates s/p ripped biceps is laughable. The Ronnie of every year except 2001 would have smoked him. Also, all those who compare Yates to pre-Ronnie 1998 get over it. At that time, Ronnie was a cop and BB. When he finally dedicated himself to the craft, and decided to take gigantic quantities of illicit GH, insulin, and test did the inner beast come out. Face it, Ronnie natural would be a sick individual. Ronnie on gear is absolutely from another planet. Yates was great, but there are several BB from different era's who smoked him (Haney, Ronnie, and I would bet Sergio/Arnold if they were on the same gear).
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ND....Dorian looks like shiate in that most muscular. Give it up. Ronnie blows him away in chest, bi's, hell tri's if he ever hits the shots correctly, thighs, hams, glutes and shoulders. Please, the back is a wash....neither wins. Yates has better calves. Post some true pics of Ronnie in 2003 at 286 lbs. shredded and compare the same poses to Yates at his best 1993-1994. Ronnie is superior. To even compare the Yates s/p ripped biceps is laughable. The Ronnie of every year except 2001 would have smoked him. Also, all those who compare Yates to pre-Ronnie 1998 get over it. At that time, Ronnie was a cop and BB. When he finally dedicated himself to the craft, and decided to take gigantic quantities of illicit GH, insulin, and test did the inner beast come out. Face it, Ronnie natural would be a sick individual. Ronnie on gear is absolutely from another planet. Yates was great, but there are several BB from different era's who smoked him (Haney, Ronnie, and I would bet Sergio/Arnold if they were on the same gear).
Okay here are some true pics of the 2003 Mr Olympia ;)
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After seeing those black and white pics posted by ND, there is no doubt in my mind that Dorian owns Ronnie.
It looks like you could stick your hand in Dorian's back and it would get lost. Unreal dryness. Deltoids and chest are far superior to Ronnie's. Ronnie's chest looks completely flat in the front double bicep pose - and he always looks like he's retaining water. Dorian had a great ab/thigh pose as well.
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After seeing those black and white pics posted by ND, there is no doubt in my mind that Dorian owns Ronnie.
It looks like you could stick your hand in Dorian's back and it would get lost. Unreal dryness. Deltoids and chest are far superior to Ronnie's. Ronnie's chest looks completely flat in the front double bicep pose - and he always looks like he's retaining water. Dorian had a great ab/thigh pose as well.
Ab thigh and you're right it was great !!
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Okay here are some true pics of the 2003 Mr Olympia ;)
embarrassing.
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These comparisons are for anyone who claims that Dorian has better deltoids than ronnie:
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/45.jpg)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/976994047.jpg)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974026807.jpg)
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/bwcoleman0edecbab.jpg)
I'm waiting for someone to claim that Dorian has better biceps next.. ::)
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These comparisons are for anyone who claims that Dorian has better deltoids than ronnie:
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/45.jpg)
[img width=550 height=343]
I'm waiting for someone to claim that Dorian has better biceps next.. ::)
These delts are bigger , rounder and just as detailed !! this things are canonballs .
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Dorian Yates Ronnie Coleman
Front Double Bicep W L Coleman is flat :-\
Front Lat Spread W L Killing Ronnie in the chest
Side Chest ? ? Haven't seen a Yates
Side Tricep W L Advantage - tris,calves,chest
Abdominal and Thigh W L Dorian by a mile
Rear Double Bicep L W Can't see Dorian's biceps
Rear Lat Spread W L Dorian's thickness/dryness
Most Muscular L W Ronnie's biceps/mass/vascu.
Winner : DORIAN YATES ! - With a combination of dense mass and far superior conditioning.
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Okay here are some true pics of the 2003 Mr Olympia ;)
ALERT! ALERT! An alien is going to burst out of there! ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Dorian Yates Ronnie Coleman
Front Double Bicep W L Coleman is flat :-\
Front Lat Spread W L Killing Ronnie in the chest
Side Chest ? ? Haven't seen a Yates
Side Tricep W L Advantage - tris,calves,chest
Abdominal and Thigh W L Dorian by a mile
Rear Double Bicep L W Can't see Dorian's biceps
Rear Lat Spread W L Dorian's thickness/dryness
Most Muscular L W Ronnie's biceps/mass/vascu.
Winner : DORIAN YATES ! - With a combination of dense mass and far superior conditioning.
..I doubt Yates could beat Ronnies back shots, period. My opinion.
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I think he beats Ronnie in the back because he is more balanced. He has thickness and dryness. Ronnie just has water-logged mass.
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ALERT! ALERT! An alien is going to burst out of there! :o ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
the alien was last seen in 1994..
(http://www.emusclemag.com/webimages/sandows/yates/1_lrg.jpg)
Dorian "The Original Mr. Gut" Yates ;)
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I think he beats Ronnie in the back because he is more balanced. He has thickness and dryness. Ronnie just has water-logged mass.
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/bluecolemanbacks.jpg)
water logged mass??
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...'water logged mass'....ha, kinda true.
Well, in most of the Dorian pics I have he looks pretty good in his back poses, but not as crazy wide and freakish as Ronnie. Who knows how it would fare in today's judging standard.
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Yeah, well Dorian's chest sticks out farther than his stomach. Ronnie always looked flat as a board from the front.
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hold on - you made ridiculous claims like dorian has better hams, traps and chest than Ronnie, and commented that Dorian crushes Ronnie on back detail when in fact his entire upper back was, and has never been, as detailed as guys like ronnie and flex..
That is not "explaining Dorian's superiority".
That is being retarded!
Ronnie's chest is wider than Dorian's, but not as thick. Furhtermore, it is overpowered by Ronnie's shoulders-traps complex. Ronnie has matched Dorian for lat width, but not thickness; even at 296 lbs, on the 2004 O, Ronnie loses to Dorian in lats and vastus medialis thickness. Dorian's hams are MUCH superior than that of Ronnie, with more striations, separation and overrall development. There is no comparison. The fact, that you disputed this claim, goes to show you know nothing about bodybuilding. Dorian's calves are the best in the history of bodybuilding, in size, separation and straitions. Ronnie has superior quads that Dorian; I'll give you that. However, Dorian presented his thigh mass, as well as all his other mass, with a much higher level of dryness and density, that Ronnie ever could. As for upper back detail, please...ever single muscle clearly separated, dryed and delineated! Ronnie also has awesome detail there, but Dorian's thickness and dryness, in that area, crushes Ronnie.Peter McGough, of Flex Magazine, has said that Dorian's density, and the conditioning that he presented such density, remain even today the gold-standard, hich every pro aspires to but has never been able to replicate. They say that a woman in love will refuse to see the flas of her man and defend him no matter what; this is clearly true, in your case. Idiot.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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...'water logged mass'....ha, kinda true.
Well, in most of the Dorian pics I have he looks pretty good in his back poses, but not as crazy wide and freakish as Ronnie. Who knows how it would fare in today's judging standard.
It's all arbitrary of course. But IMO Dorian is the perfect combo of thickness and dryness. He can't beat Ronnie in the rear double biceps or the most muscular but he takes him in all the other poses.
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Dorian's 260+ pounds with only 2% fat is simply amazing.
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Ronnie's chest is wider than Dorian's, but not as thick. Furhtermore, it is overpowered by Ronnie's shoulders-traps complex. Ronnie has matched Dorian for lat width, but not thickness; even at 296 lbs, on the 2004 O, Ronnie loses to Dorian in lats and vastus medialis thickness. Dorian's hams are MUCH superior than that of Ronnie, with more striations, separation and overrall development. There is no comparison. The fact, that you disputed this claim, goes to show you know nothing about bodybuilding. Dorian's calves are the best in the history of bodybuilding, in size, separation and straitions. Ronnie has superior quads that Dorian; I'll give you that. However, Dorian presented his thigh mass, as well as all his other mass, with a much higher level of dryness and density, that Ronnie ever could. As for upper back detail, please...ever single muscle clearly separated, dryed and delineated! Ronnie also has awesome detail there, but Dorian's thickness and dryness, in that area, crushes Ronnie.Peter McGough, of Flex Magazine, has said that Dorian's density, and the conditioning that he presented such density, remain even today the gold-standard, hich every pro aspires to but has never been able to replicate. They say that a woman in love will refuse to see the flas of her man and defend him no matter what; this is clearly true, in your case. Idiot.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Your comments about hamstring detail and striations are puzzling..
(http://www.graphicmuscle.com/photos/184/Men/IMG_8391.jpg)
ronnie had far more detail in the hams than Dorian.
Dorian presented his thigh mass, as well as all his other mass, with a much higher level of dryness and density, that Ronnie ever could
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/52.jpg)
Dorian had dryer thigh mass? really? ::)
As for upper back detail, please...ever single muscle clearly separated, dryed and delineated!
(http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=dorian+yates+nasser/v=2/SID=e/l=IVS/SIG=12pvgfvq4/EXP=1121960059/*-http%3A//www.swhiteside.freeserve.co.uk/images/New_Folder/Big_Backs.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30855.0;id=29844;image)
not compared to most other top pros..
(http://www.dennis-james.com/Gallery/01ac/images/full/djames_AC02e.jpg)
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some of your comments don't really make any sense.
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haha. The same pics are being posted over and over.
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haha. The same pics are being posted over and over.
if thats what it takes to make people see the obvious, then so be it.
repetition will overcome bias.
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if thats what it takes to make people see the obvious, then so be it.
repetition will overcome bias.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46222.0;id=49550;image)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/44.jpg)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46222.0;id=49546;image)
(http://i.b5z.net/i/u/230085/i/Ronnie_Coleman.jpg)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46222.0;id=49482;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46222.0;id=49549;image)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46222.0;id=49577;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46222.0;id=49583;image)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46222.0;id=49577;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46222.0;id=49583;image)
This picture, of Dorian, is the most impressive shit in the history of bodybuilding. He looks like a troglodyte.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46222.0;id=49461;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46222.0;id=49489;image)
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(http://x10.putfile.com/12/34800155099.jpg)
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(http://x11.putfile.com/12/35022423169.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46222.0;id=49596;image)
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Water-logged mass.....
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc210.jpg)
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what really fascinates me about this whole debate is how Dorian is viewed as such as god.
To me, he was the most overrated bodybuilder of all time.
I mean, if this was Flex 93, or Haney 91, or Shawn 94 being compared to Ronnie, then you would have a great argument.
But not Dorian. Here you have a guy who has horrible looking quads from the front, horrible taper, very little striations (except for lower back), hardly any vascularity to speak of, poor muscle shape (esp. deltoids, quadriceps, and biceps) compared to others, etc etc etc. who has won 6 mr. O's, and 4 of them with a torn (missing) biceps muscle.
To me, that is the ultimate in "overratedness"..
When the 6 time Mr. O can get destroyed in the "relaxed" round by "lesser" bodybuilders because his taper sucks, then you know you have a problem..
To me, there are a whole lot of bodybuilders besides ronnie, who, if they were at their best, could have defeated Dorian.
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what really fascinates me about this whole debate is how Dorian is viewed as such as god.
To me, he was the most overrated bodybuilder of all time.
I mean, if this was Flex 93, or Haney 91, or Shawn 94 being compared to Ronnie, then you would have a great argument.
But not Dorian. Here you have a guy who has horrible looking quads from the front, horrible taper, very little striations (except for lower back), hardly any vascularity to speak of, poor muscle shape (esp. deltoids, quadriceps, and biceps) compared to others, etc etc etc. who has won 6 mr. O's, and 4 of them with a torn (missing) biceps muscle.
To me, that is the ultimate in "overratedness"..
When the 6 time Mr. O can get destroyed in the "relaxed" round by "lesser" bodybuilders because his taper sucks, then you know you have a problem..
To me, there are a whole lot of bodybuilders besides ronnie, who, if they were at their best, could have defeated Dorian.
Without Dorian there would be no Ronnie.
Dorian won 6 times with a wide waste. Ronnie is winning with a fetus or a chest buster in his stomach.
meltdown
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46222.0;id=49595;image)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46222.0;id=49583;image)
see this is what I am talking about:
you guys look at that pic and shoot your loads all over the place.
I look at that pic and say:no traps, and his entire left arm lacks detail and muscle deliniation, and his flexed quad shows the same, he might as well have not even flexed it You can barely tell where his deltoids begin and end, they have such poor shape they just blend into his upper arm..
Overrated!!
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Ronnie has his arms angled outward more - exposing more of his bicep. Yates is doing a pure "crab shot." Yates is also leaning down more hiding his traps. But I agree. In most shots I think Ronnie takes the most muscular just because his vascularity and mass/biceps are impressive in this pose.
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Mansonvier, you are the fool who was going on and on about how Jay Gutler got screwed. Get over it. You take the best pics of Dorian ever (the Flex photoshoot in B&W; which btw was not the condition he displayed at the show) and compare him to Ronnie's worst poses. Still, the most muscular of Dorian blows. For a true most muscular, the two best of all time are Ronnie and Ruhl. In fact, if Ruhl had an ounce of shape he would be the freakiest BB ever. Dorian went downhill after 1994. His conditioning on his best day was amazing, but a blind man can see he has no shape. Hulkster, show a post of the 2003 Mr. O where Ronnie is doing a split and hitting a most muscular. Quite possibly the most impressive shot ever in BB. Dorian knows in his heart of heart that an in shape Ronnie would roll him. Hell, if you want to speculate, Dorian put on 20+ pounds between his loss to Haney in 1991 to 1993-1994. What if Haney would have stayed in the game and done the amount of gear that these guys did. To this day, his torso is unbeatable. If he would have put on twenty pounds in his thighs (which he very well could have done as he was only 31 years old or so when he retired), he would have wiped Dorian's ass again and again. Hell, he would have wiped Ronnie's ass too.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46222.0;id=49583;image)
see this is what I am talking about:
you guys look at that pic and shoot your loads all over the place.
I look at that pic and say:no traps, and his entire left arm lacks detail and muscle deliniation, and his flexed quad shows the same, he might as well have not even flexed it You can barely tell where his deltoids begin and end, they have such poor shape they just blend into his upper arm..
Overrated!!
In this picture, Dorian's density and muscle fullness is astounding; off the charts. Flex Magazine photographer, Chris Lund said that, in over twenty years photographing pro bodybuilders, he's never seen anyhting like this. Case closed.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Mansonvier, you are the fool who was going on and on about how Jay Gutler got screwed. Get over it. You take the best pics of Dorian ever (the Flex photoshoot in B&W; which btw was not the condition he displayed at the show) and compare him to Ronnie's worst poses. Still, the most muscular of Dorian blows. For a true most muscular, the two best of all time are Ronnie and Ruhl. In fact, if Ruhl had an ounce of shape he would be the freakiest BB ever. Dorian went downhill after 1994. His conditioning on his best day was amazing, but a blind man can see he has no shape. Hulkster, show a post of the 2003 Mr. O where Ronnie is doing a split and hitting a most muscular. Quite possibly the most impressive shot ever in BB. Dorian knows in his heart of heart that an in shape Ronnie would roll him. Hell, if you want to speculate, Dorian put on 20+ pounds between his loss to Haney in 1991 to 1993-1994. What if Haney would have stayed in the game and done the amount of gear that these guys did. To this day, his torso is unbeatable. If he would have put on twenty pounds in his thighs (which he very well could have done as he was only 31 years old or so when he retired), he would have wiped Dorian's ass again and again. Hell, he would have wiped Ronnie's ass too.
Jay did get screwed because in my humble opinion the Mr. Olympia shouldn't have a massive protruding stomach. It makes his chest look like nothing because his stomach sticks out so far. You want to talk about shape? Look at Ronnie's terrible ab shape. Looks like shit. He doesn't even have a six-pack. Sounds like you are in denial now. The pics don't lie. Every pic is a good picture. These are all contest pics or photo shoot pictures. In fact, I used the pics Hulkster chose for Ronnie Coleman.
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as per request, probably the most impressive Ronnie shot from 2003:
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/6xo28.jpg)
look at his delts - they have no skin. :o
And those forearms - don't look "small" for his upper arms to me!
:o :o :o
<---------- I just blew my wad right here :-*
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ronnie owns dorian. dorian is ronnies bitch.
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ronnie owns dorian. dorian is ronnies bitch.
Despite the fact that Dorian has made Ronnie his bitch several times onstage, while Ronnie never made Dorian his bitch even once...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Despite the fact that Dorian has made Ronnie his bitch several times onstage :-*, while Ronnie never made Dorian his bitch even once... ::)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
lol what a stupid argument...dorian beat ronnie when he was at his peak an when ronnie was nowhere near his peak. ud hav a argument if dorian beat ronnie in 2003 or 2004 but there wud be no way dorian could beat him.
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i think so it would b a tie.......see both had minor flaws..yates was grainy,ronnie is just a bit more with mass.yates has calves,ronnie does not,yates has triceps,ronnies r a bit smaller,colemans arms r bigger than yates,colemans legs r bigger than yates,yates lats r bit thicker than colemans....so its more or less a tie and i think so both r just equal in terms of overall thickness with different shapes,,so its worthy of the fact that both r olympia champions and both r unbeatable so its a tie!!!!!!!!!
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lol what a stupid argument...dorian beat ronnie when he was at his peak an when ronnie was nowhere near his peak. ud hav a argument if dorian beat ronnie in 2003 or 2004 but there wud be no way dorian could beat him.
As I explained in my long post, retard, Ronnie at the 2003 O looked AWFUL. I wasen't at the 2004 O, but I have over 200 pictures from that contest and Ronnie looked even WORSE than at the 2003 O. I'm sorry, but Ronnie looked like an obese powerlifter at 296 lbs. Besides having 5% or 6% bodyfat, which is unacceptable for a pro, he was obviously carrying a thick film of water under his skin. Also, his delts and traps overpowered his chest and his waist overpowered his shoulder girdle. Ronnie didn't even deserve to be at that contest, let alone win it! He had as much right to be there as Greg Kovacs! Even Gunther, who has sub-par genetics for a pro, has managed to defeat Ronnie! I have already explained, very thoroughly, why Dorian is the better bodybuilder in another post and I won't do it again, just because you didn't read the whole thread. Enough.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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would you like me to dig up old posts from different members of this board?
Sorry, but you are wrong.
Christ, is that what constitutes a fact around here - what a few other posters think? :D
Professionally, I've never seen anyone say that Yates wasn't far and away the winner in 1993. Nobody even came close.
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A few more Dorian pics for comparison usages...
(http://www.onewaysystem.com/images/olimpiak_albuma/dorian_yates.jpg)
(http://www.ironman-israel.com/gallery/yates_dorian/yates_dorian_20.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/dorian-yates-blood-and-guts/6.JPG)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Yates05.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/gruppociak/dy77.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/gruppociak/dy94.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/gruppociak/dy74.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy64.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/gruppociak/dy82.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/gruppociak/dy81.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy65.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy56.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy28.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy17.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Yates04.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Yates18.jpg)
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Alright, I understand that Dorian's got some great individual bodyparts and all, but hamstring and glute development are not one of his strengths. With Ronnie, you can actually see the separation b/w the bicep femoris, semitendinous, semimembranosis and the hamstring glute tie in.
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Hulkster,
could you please answer my question. Have you ever been to a Mr. Olympia contest? Have you been two Olympia's in which Yates or Ronnie competed?
If not, and for anyone else posting in this thread, you all are rediculous. At this point, looking on as an unbiased reader, there so far is only one person who shows any credibility in this argument. It is the person who has seen these men compete in person.
You can't just sit at a computer screen and post up pictures and expect to prove anything. Bodybuilding goes far beyond pictures. All you are doing is wasting your time and making yourself look foolish.
Later...
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what really fascinates me about this whole debate is how Dorian is viewed as such as god.
To me, he was the most overrated bodybuilder of all time.
I mean, if this was Flex 93, or Haney 91, or Shawn 94 being compared to Ronnie, then you would have a great argument.
But not Dorian. Here you have a guy who has horrible looking quads from the front, horrible taper, very little striations (except for lower back), hardly any vascularity to speak of, poor muscle shape (esp. deltoids, quadriceps, and biceps) compared to others, etc etc etc. who has won 6 mr. O's, and 4 of them with a torn (missing) biceps muscle.
To me, that is the ultimate in "overratedness"..
When the 6 time Mr. O can get destroyed in the "relaxed" round by "lesser" bodybuilders because his taper sucks, then you know you have a problem..
To me, there are a whole lot of bodybuilders besides ronnie, who, if they were at their best, could have defeated Dorian.
I think Hulkster just had his first melftdown lol the most overrated bodybuilder of all time ? thats a meltdown statement if there ever was , some log the date and time call the EMTs lol come on Hulkster its one thing to say you think Ronnie would beat him head to head but to say " the most overrated of all time " thats about the dumbest thing you've said thus far.
If this was 93 Flex ( which Yates beat at the Olympia ) or 91 Haney ( which Yates beat in the musculairty round ) or 94 Shawn Ray ( Shawn said he got the place he deserved in 94 ) so that argument falls short , and whats funny is you'll swear up and down that a much smaller Shawn could beat Dorian yet scoff at the idea of a Dex even comming close to Ronnie always claiming Dex isn't even in Ronnie's leauge .
I'm going to hold a candleight vigle for you Hulkster and we'll all pray for your quick recovery lol
Horrible taper in the words of the late great ODB " guy Please "
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Dorian said that Ronnie beats him, END OF STORY
who cares about what a bunch of fukkin fan boys say, everyone STFU and accept the reality!
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Dorian said that Ronnie beats him, END OF STORY
who cares about what a bunch of fukkin fan boys say, everyone STFU and accept the reality!
You have a gay username(literally), so it's understandable that you're sucking on Ronnie's dick like that. The bottom line is that we'll continue to type that Dorian's the greatest, even if our fingernails starts bleeding. Now fuck off, queer.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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With your fixation on gay and sucking and a name like suckmymuscle, are you a pitcher or a catcher? Vaseline or KY? :-*
Yates was a great looking powerlifter and piano mover. Would've made a damn good sailor.
He's a joke-NICE combo of no cuts, ugly vascularity, no size and minimal aesthetics in this shot BTW. He was Joe's Great White Hope in the 90s.
His groupies are probably closet racists and skinheads.
Dillet rules.
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Pile of poop
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wrong! Insulin has changed! It's much faster acting now and a lot easier to control. Drugs have improved and will continue to improve
Big deal. Insulin isn't a make/break drug to obtain size or improve conditioning. An argument can be made that when it comes specifically to conditioning, Dorian was better conditioned (drier/granier) than Ronnie. The drugs don't matter as much as you think.
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And as far as the most muscular pose is concerned I would say Yates in 95 beats Ronnie 01 ASC take a look
It has been debated many times that the '95 Dorian Yates was unbeatable by any Mr. O (including the '93 Yates). I've seen that tape many times along with the '03 Coleman---and I have to say it is very close. My pick-----DORIAN
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Anyone who thinks it's close i have a bridge to sell to Yates groupies.
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wrong! Insulin has changed! It's much faster acting now and a lot easier to control. Drugs have improved and will continue to improve
Insulin isn't a make/break drug to obtain size or improve conditioning.
You are kidding right? Insulin is hormone that revolutionized bodybuilding into the mass game we know it as today.
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The truth is: Coleman never beat Dorian when both competed at same show. Never! As Dorian never beat haney when they was competing at same show.
Right now coleman´s physique is not better than Dorian´s , it´s just different. We live in a different era now. If we put teh top guys of today with the top guys of 15 years ago and compare them it´s clear that today´s bbers have better physiques. And if we compare the physiques this way, we can say that Arnold is nobody in Bodybuilding because the quality of his physique is very poor near yates or Coleman, or Cormier...
sorry for the bad english
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I have never been to a Mr. Olympia as I live about 2000 miles from the closest one ( I live in the frozen tundra otherwise known as Canada)
However, I fail to see how that is relevant in refuting some of the ridiculous claims made in this thread, such as:
-Dorian has more detailed hamstrings than Ronnie
-Dorian has more detailed and better deltoids than Ronnie
-Dorian dryer thigh mass than Ronnie.
-etc etc.
You don't have to have been to a Mr. Olympia contest to see that these are false statements.
You just have to open your eyes!
the truth is, pics don't do ANY of these guys justice. I remember when I saw my first Pro up close (Nimrod King) and I remember him commenting on how he had weak calves.
well, his calves looked like cantaloupes to me!
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People debate this ??? Never ceases to amaze me.
The specialty of BOTH is MASS MASS MASS, the only difference between the two of them is that Ronnie makes Dorian look like a school girl.
Now if you wanted to debate whether or not Frank Zane beats Ronnie, you could pull out that apples and oranges shit, but with Dorian and Ronnie the tiebreaker is size and Ronnie has much more of it than Dorian ever had, and ever could have had.
EXACTLY, now all these closet dorian homos need to stfu and go back to jerking off to his pictures.
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I think Hulkster just had his first melftdown lol the most overrated bodybuilder of all time ? thats a meltdown statement if there ever was , some log the date and time call the EMTs lol come on Hulkster its one thing to say you think Ronnie would beat him head to head but to say " the most overrated of all time " thats about the dumbest thing you've said thus far.
If this was 93 Flex ( which Yates beat at the Olympia ) or 91 Haney ( which Yates beat in the musculairty round ) or 94 Shawn Ray ( Shawn said he got the place he deserved in 94 ) so that argument falls short , and whats funny is you'll swear up and down that a much smaller Shawn could beat Dorian yet scoff at the idea of a Dex even comming close to Ronnie always claiming Dex isn't even in Ronnie's leauge .
I'm going to hold a candleight vigle for you Hulkster and we'll all pray for your quick recovery lol
Horrible taper in the words of the late great ODB " guy Please "
no, that argument does not fall short because;
1. Flex 93 was soft compared to Flex 93 Arnold Classic
2. dorian lost to Haney (notably in the relaxed round due to his horrible taper)
3. I don't think anyone really believes that Dorian deserved to win that night.
And as far as taper goes, you keep posting lat spread shots to back up your point - well duh! His wide waist/obliques are crunched up with his hands.
He normally looks like this;
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy176.jpg)
as I stated in my "rant" before: Dorian, esp. from the front, was nothing special. Sure he had great calves and lats, but his quads lack any detail at all, his arms and chest are overpowered by his lats and huge legs (which lack good sweep and shape by the way) etc etc.
dorian was the most successful overrated bodybuilder of all time.
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People debate this ??? Never ceases to amaze me.
The specialty of BOTH is MASS MASS MASS, the only difference between the two of them is that Ronnie makes Dorian look like a school girl.
Now if you wanted to debate whether or not Frank Zane beats Ronnie, you could pull out that apples and oranges shit, but with Dorian and Ronnie the tiebreaker is size and Ronnie has much more of it than Dorian ever had, and ever could have had.
i dissagree with you there matt: both have mass, but only Ronnie has the shape, taper and vascularity to go with it.
This can be easily seen in that embarrasing most muscular comparison.
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Thanks to Weider Yates still lingers..Otherwise the question would be how Dillet or Flex compare with Ron, but they weren't considered marketable enough.
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EXACTLY, now all these closet dorian homos need to stfu and go back to jerking off to his pictures.
Yet, you're the one who's chosen the name of a gay fashion stylist, as your username ???. Go figure!
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ha ha. We already owned these fools. The pics don't lie. Side by side comparison shows Dorian in all his glory. Dorian has mass and perfect conditioning. Dorian is the greatest bodybuilder of all time. I won't even touch the Dillet or Markas comment. ;D Ronnie just looks like a water buffalo. Embarrassing really. If Ronnie could ever get as dry as Dorian he would weigh 260 pounds with a bloated stomach that makes his chest look flat as a flapjack.
Fact - Dorian BEAT Ronnie. Ronnie never beat Dorian. If he was never injured he would have continued to grow - because Dorian was the most disciplined champion ever. The greatest.
The End.
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People debate this ??? Never ceases to amaze me.
The specialty of BOTH is MASS MASS MASS, the only difference between the two of them is that Ronnie makes Dorian look like a school girl.
Now if you wanted to debate whether or not Frank Zane beats Ronnie, you could pull out that apples and oranges shit, but with Dorian and Ronnie the tiebreaker is size and Ronnie has much more of it than Dorian ever had, and ever could have had.
So Ronnie makes Dorian look like a schoolgirl? Funny...Dorian was 274 lbs, at 2% bodyfat on the 97 O. Ronnie was FAT(6% bodyfat) at the 2004 O, and had at least 10 lbs of water under his skin. Pound for pound, square inch per square inch, Dorian actually carries more mass than Ronnie. When you also consider the conditioning with which he presents this mass, you realize that Dorian is vastly superior to Coleman. Try to understand something, cun ts:Ronnie looks like SHIT above 260 lbs. Ronnie's best was at the 99 O, hen he came in at 250 lbs. Both at the 2003 and 2004 Olympias, Ronnie had shoulders and traps that were too big for his chest, and a shoulder girdle that was pathetically small for his humongous waist. Furthermore, his conditioning and density SUCKS. Despite his mass, he has a pretty noy look, instead of Dorian, who looked like he was etched in stone.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Come on...Dorian was never 274. Maybe 260 at best. And Ronnie was bone dry at 287 in 2003. I think he hit 292 at the night show. That is about 30 pounds more than Dorian.
Coleman was never 290 pounds on stage. He still looks like shit. He still never beat Dorian. He still looks like a water buffalo with a beer gut.
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Come on...Dorian was never 274. Maybe 260 at best. And Ronnie was bone dry at 287 in 2003. I think he hit 292 at the night show. That is about 30 pounds more than Dorian.
At the pre-judging of the 1997 O, Dorian weighed in at 266 lbs. By the night show, he had gained 8 lbs, while still maintaining his bodyfat level at 2%. If you don't believe me, check the October, 1997, issue of Flex. It has the weight of all competitors, written by Peter McGough and with commentary by Jim Schmaltz. Also, I was at the 97 O and...Dorian made Nasser look tiny, even though Nasser also was around 270 lbs. By the way, during his career, Dorian defeated several 280+ lbs guys, like Dillet, Aaron Backer and Jean-Pierre Fux. So much for the weight difference tipping the scales, in favor of Ronnie!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I have never been to a Mr. Olympia as I live about 2000 miles from the closest one ( I live in the frozen tundra otherwise known as Canada)
However, I fail to see how that is relevant in refuting some of the ridiculous claims made in this thread, such as:
-Dorian has more detailed hamstrings than Ronnie
-Dorian has more detailed and better deltoids than Ronnie
-Dorian dryer thigh mass than Ronnie.
-etc etc.
You don't have to have been to a Mr. Olympia contest to see that these are false statements.
You just have to open your eyes!
the truth is, pics don't do ANY of these guys justice. I remember when I saw my first Pro up close (Nimrod King) and I remember him commenting on how he had weak calves.
well, his calves looked like cantaloupes to me!
So if you are trying to prove to me that Ronnie at his best, vs. dorian at his best I am supposed to give you credibility over someone who has seen both in competition at the O? Like I said before, if the 2005 olympia was judged sitting at home on the internet Jay Cutler would have won.
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Suckymuscle, I thought you were smarter than that. When did they do an official weigh in for the Olympia. That is total horseshit. Everyone knows that. BTW, to state that Ronnie was 6% bodyfat is laughable. You are obviously not a medical professional. All of these BB in shape get down to 4% or so. That is fact done by Hydrodensitometry Weighing; that means you weigh the person under water. It is much more accurate than calipers. The only thing close is a new DEXA scan meaurement, but the hydrodensitometry measurement is the gold standard. Once again, you speak about that which you have no clue. Ronnie in 2003 was definitely not 6% bodyfat; take a look of some unbiased pictures if you would. Face it, they were both great. You prefer Yates; others prefer Ronnie. Let it go. BTW, show me a reliable link stating 2% bodyfat for Dorian that year. You speak out of your ass. You probably don't like Ronnie because he is not the brightest bulb in the universe. Hell, I have heard Dorian speak and he is not a rocket scientist either. BTW, I have been to Mr. Olympia's and Ronnie is hands down the largest in shape BB alive. Dorian was awesome, but I was there when he got hammered by Haney. Nobody in the crowd was upset; Haney was amazing that year.
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Suckymuscle, I thought you were smarter than that. When did they do an official weigh in for the Olympia. That is total horseshit. Everyone knows that. BTW, to state that Ronnie was 6% bodyfat is laughable. You are obviously not a medical professional. All of these BB in shape get down to 4% or so. That is fact done by Hydrodensitometry Weighing; that means you weigh the person under water. It is much more accurate than calipers. The only thing close is a new DEXA scan meaurement, but the hydrodensitometry measurement is the gold standard. Once again, you speak about that which you have no clue. Ronnie in 2003 was definitely not 6% bodyfat; take a look of some unbiased pictures if you would. Face it, they were both great. You prefer Yates; others prefer Ronnie. Let it go. BTW, show me a reliable link stating 2% bodyfat for Dorian that year. You speak out of your ass. You probably don't like Ronnie because he is not the brightest bulb in the universe. Hell, I have heard Dorian speak and he is not a rocket scientist either. BTW, I have been to Mr. Olympia's and Ronnie is hands down the largest in shape BB alive. Dorian was awesome, but I was there when he got hammered by Haney. Nobody in the crowd was upset; Haney was amazing that year.
We need more of these type of replies. Excellent.
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everytime someone mentions dorian's most muscular pose, someone posts that pic.
but to be honest, I am not impressed at all. The only think that jumps out at me in that shot is Dorian's amazing calves.
but looks at his arms and quads: they have almost NO seperation at all.
that is not what a most muscular pose is supposed to look like.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=43892.0;id=45835;image)
its amazing what a little shape, seperation and vascularity can do, isn't it? ;)
Bro, you have to get out of that misconception of yours that Ronnie was at his best at the ASC ;D
It's basically the Bernal pics taken after the show that makes it look that way IMO.
Ronnie was incredible in 97, 98, early 99.
He should be a three time Mr O, IMO. Last year is the third title I think he deserves, but very questionable. 99? Cormier IMO.
Ronnie at his all time best was easily better than Dorian though IMO. No question about it.
I don't hate Coleman, just don't like his current physique. He was great throughout the whole 90's, and got shafted repeatedly by the judges until 1998 really.
YIP
Zack
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Suckymuscle, I thought you were smarter than that. When did they do an official weigh in for the Olympia. That is total horseshit. Everyone knows that. BTW, to state that Ronnie was 6% bodyfat is laughable. You are obviously not a medical professional. All of these BB in shape get down to 4% or so. That is fact done by Hydrodensitometry Weighing; that means you weigh the person under water. It is much more accurate than calipers. The only thing close is a new DEXA scan meaurement, but the hydrodensitometry measurement is the gold standard. Once again, you speak about that which you have no clue. Ronnie in 2003 was definitely not 6% bodyfat; take a look of some unbiased pictures if you would. Face it, they were both great. You prefer Yates; others prefer Ronnie. Let it go. BTW, show me a reliable link stating 2% bodyfat for Dorian that year. You speak out of your ass. You probably don't like Ronnie because he is not the brightest bulb in the universe. Hell, I have heard Dorian speak and he is not a rocket scientist either. BTW, I have been to Mr. Olympia's and Ronnie is hands down the largest in shape BB alive. Dorian was awesome, but I was there when he got hammered by Haney. Nobody in the crowd was upset; Haney was amazing that year.
First of all, the athletes DO have their eights measured, before the competition starts. You have never heard of a weight-in? Don't take me for my word:check out the October, 1997 issue of Flex Magazine and Peter McGough mentions the weight of every bodybuilder. In fact, the commentary that Dorian weighed 266 lbs and then ballooned to 274 lbs, by the night show, is written word for ord in the magazine; if McGough said it, I believe it.
I am also sorry to disappoint you, but hydrostatic measuring is no longer the gold-standard of body composition measurement. Today, elite athletes are using magnetic ressonance, with infra-red rays to contrast, as the most accurate measure of body composition. Sorry that you thought I was smarter than that; it just so happens that it's easy to impress the unintelligent... ;D ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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BTW, I have been to Mr. Olympia's and Ronnie is hands down the largest in shape BB alive.
Yo!
Whatcha talkin' bout... Greg Kovacs is the biggest bodybuilder alive!!! He dwarves Dorian Yates and Ronnie Coleman!!!! I've read that in Musclemag!!!
Kovacs, 400 lbs YO!!!
YIP
Zack
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Yo!
Whatcha talkin' bout... Greg Kovacs is the biggest bodybuilder alive!!! He dwarves Dorian Yates and Ronnie Coleman!!!! I've read that in Musclemag!!!
Kovacs, 400 lbs YO!!!
YIP
Zack
HA HA! Yeah, Kovacs... ;DI wonder what happened to that f**cker. I think he's probably locked in some zoo, ater the authorities mistook him for a silverback gorilla. Kovacs at 440 lbs. Damn!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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People debate this ??? Never ceases to amaze me.
The specialty of BOTH is MASS MASS MASS, the only difference between the two of them is that Ronnie makes Dorian look like a school girl.
Now if you wanted to debate whether or not Frank Zane beats Ronnie, you could pull out that apples and oranges shit, but with Dorian and Ronnie the tiebreaker is size and Ronnie has much more of it than Dorian ever had, and ever could have had.
The question posed was on their respective best days who would win , its widely requarded that the 2001 Arnold Classic is Coleman's very best day he was 245lbs Dorians best day is the Kevin Horton B&W photos just before the 1993 Mr Olympia at 269lbs , so Coleman would have NO size advantage and 2003 he was 287lbs and 20lbs of it was in his gut and his overall package was no where near as good as the 01 ASC .
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no, that argument does not fall short because;
1. Flex 93 was soft compared to Flex 93 Arnold Classic
2. dorian lost to Haney (notably in the relaxed round due to his horrible taper)
3. I don't think anyone really believes that Dorian deserved to win that night.
And as far as taper goes, you keep posting lat spread shots to back up your point - well duh! His wide waist/obliques are crunched up with his hands.
He normally looks like this;
as I stated in my "rant" before: Dorian, esp. from the front, was nothing special. Sure he had great calves and lats, but his quads lack any detail at all, his arms and chest are overpowered by his lats and huge legs (which lack good sweep and shape by the way) etc etc.
dorian was the most successful overrated bodybuilder of all time.
The meltdown continues lol You keep posting the pics of Yates from the 94 Olympia to prove your point he has no taper and its nonsense , the pics I post of him to any latspread showcase an amazing V-taper for you to say otherwise proves you're in meltdown mode , lets see if Yates has " no taper " as you claim why is it he doesn't look Jay Cutler in the ab-thigh shot? I thought so and he isn't scunching his fists into his waist to make his waist tiny like to state ::) oh and do you find it odd " the most overrated bodybuilder of all time " beat the very best bodybuilder of all time in the musculairty round in his FIRST Mr Olympia , for you to say Coleman would beat him head to head is one thing to say he is the most overrated of all time proves you're a little to emotionally wrapped up in this and are in meltdown mode , I'm sure there are support groups out there for you lol maybe ZachG can help.
No taper lol yup looks just like Cutler in this pic lol
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dorian looked great at certain points, ronnie looked/looks better.
ronnie at his best is much better than dorian ever was, simple as that. even dorian realizes this, i dont see why some of you losers cant.
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you'd prolly suck Ronnie's dick wouldn't you? ;D
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The meltdown continues lol You keep posting the pics of Yates from the 94 Olympia to prove your point he has no taper and its nonsense , the pics I post of him to any latspread showcase an amazing V-taper for you to say otherwise proves you're in meltdown mode , lets see if Yates has " no taper " as you claim why is it he doesn't look Jay Cutler in the ab-thigh shot? I thought so and he isn't scunching his fists into his waist to make his waist tiny like to state ::) oh and do you find it odd " the most overrated bodybuilder of all time " beat the very best bodybuilder of all time in the musculairty round in his FIRST Mr Olympia , for you to say Coleman would beat him head to head is one thing to say he is the most overrated of all time proves you're a little to emotionally wrapped up in this and are in meltdown mode , I'm sure there are support groups out there for you lol maybe ZachG can help.
No taper lol yup looks just like Cutler in this pic lol
true.. try getting Ronnie mofo to do this abs shot. Nothing beats dorian in this pose if you wanted to talk about V-Taper
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you'd prolly suck Ronnie's dick wouldn't you? ;D
vice versa. you'd probably suck dorians dick wouldnt you? it goes both ways you faggot
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you'd prolly suck Ronnie's dick wouldn't you? ;D
Funny how none of the Ronnie girls, has dared to reply to my post, where I reply to Nicorulez with facts. You hust can't argue with facts. Hey Mansonvier, I know what's wrong with these girls:they are getting brain-damage from all that oxygen deprivation, from having Ronnie's dick stuck down their throats. ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Thanks to Weider Yates still lingers..Otherwise the question would be how Dillet or Flex compare with Ron, but they weren't considered marketable enough.
Ah, the old race card, eh? What nonsense - how was Yates 'marketable' for Weider? Only did one competition a year, lived in England, wasn't seen for months on end, had a questionable background, was pug-ugly and had a hideous Birmingham accent? Is that marketable?
How come Jay Cutler - who is the epitome of all-American - isn't a four time Mr O winner right now? Surely the Weiders can see his enormous marketing potential as he already earns more than any bodybuilder on the planet! ::)
Flex and Levrone were FAR more popular and thus marketable than Yates was (less so Dillet, as he was a bit of a girl). I think you could argue from all angles that Yates dominance of the Olympia actually *hurt* the sport, so any marketing ideas that Weider had in mind completely backfired.
You keep coming out with all these 'Yates groupies' comments, etc, while jacking off Dillet at every opportunity. Doesn't make much sense mate! Besides, Dillet was just the poor man's Flex - an even lower work eithic and piss-poor when you turned him around. No back, no Olympia title. That's one of the few hard-and-fast rules since 1983.
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Ah, the old race card, eh? What nonsense - how was Yates 'marketable' for Weider? Only did one competition a year, lived in England, wasn't seen for months on end, had a questionable background, was pug-ugly and had a hideous Birmingham accent? Is that marketable?
How come Jay Cutler - who is the epitome of all-American - isn't a four time Mr O winner right now? Surely the Weiders can see his enormous marketing potential as he already earns more than any bodybuilder on the planet! ::)
Flex and Levrone were FAR more popular and thus marketable than Yates was (less so Dillet, as he was a bit of a pussy). I think you could argue from all angles that Yates dominance of the Olympia actually *hurt* the sport, so any marketing ideas that Weider had in mind completely backfired.
You keep coming out with all these 'Yates groupies' comments, etc, while jacking off Dillet at every opportunity. Doesn't make much sense mate! Besides, Dillet was just the poor man's Flex - an even lower work eithic and piss-poor when you turned him around. No back, no Olympia title. That's one of the few hard-and-fast rules since 1983.
Zugzwang, are you chinese? ??? Just wondering...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Zugzwang, are you chinese? ??? Just wondering...
Why, are you? ::)
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This guy's excellent at meaningless banter. Keep going..
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Why, are you? ::)
Wang is a Chinese sur-name, dumbass.
;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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HA HA! Yeah, Kovacs... ;DI wonder what happened to that f**cker. I think he's probably locked in some zoo, ater the authorities mistook him for a silverback gorilla. Kovacs at 440 lbs. Damn! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I think he gets to share the same cell with Ronnie..
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I think he gets to share the same cell with Ronnie..
Only that Kovacs would rape Ronnie in the pooper! 130 lbs more of non-fat body mass, baby! Ronnie would be his bitch! ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Only that Kovacs would rape Ronnie in the pooper! 130 lbs more of non-fat body mass, baby! Ronnie would be his bitch! :-* ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Finally Ronnie succumbed to someone
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Finally Ronnie succumbed to someone
ronnies a top ?
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Magnetic Resonance Imaging; learn to spell. BTW fool, I am a medical professional and MRI, although accurate is no where near the gold standard. First of all, MRI is mainly used to assess soft tissues and the vertebrae for infection/tumor. It is termed MRI; it is not the gold standard. BTW, the weigh in you speak of is not standardized. It has not gone on for years. Moreover, in the pros they do not have to show up in posing trunks only (ala National, USA, etc). I believe the one recent weigh in had Tom Prince, when he was competing, show up in sweats, shoes, and pants. So, keep on talking. You still talk out of your ass sometimes, although I do agree with your political ideas. In this, you are plain wrong. Ronnie wins, but Dorian was great. His time has passed. In ten years, there will be someone who beats both of them.
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Suckymuscle, you are intelligent but impressed I have never been. ::)
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as much as I respect Dorian and what he did to take the sport, training nutrition and dedication to all new levels in the 90's....
Ronnie is from a different fucking planet....the only bodypart dorian could claim to be better than Ronnie would be calves... period
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Wang is a Chinese sur-name, dumbass.
I suggest you look up 'zugzwang' in the old dictionary before you start throwing around words, genius. :D
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Magnetic Resonance Imaging; learn to spell. BTW fool, I am a medical professional and MRI, although accurate is no where near the gold standard. First of all, MRI is mainly used to assess soft tissues and the vertebrae for infection/tumor. It is termed MRI; it is not the gold standard. BTW, the weigh in you speak of is not standardized. It has not gone on for years. Moreover, in the pros they do not have to show up in posing trunks only (ala National, USA, etc). I believe the one recent weigh in had Tom Prince, when he was competing, show up in sweats, shoes, and pants. So, keep on talking. You still talk out of your ass sometimes, although I do agree with your political ideas. In this, you are plain wrong. Ronnie wins, but Dorian was great. His time has passed. In ten years, there will be someone who beats both of them.
Ok. Please, post a picture of your medical degree. Thank you.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Suckymuscle, you are intelligent but impressed I have never been. ::)
Conversely, sometimes it's hard to impress the unintelligent ;D. On the spirit of Marry Christmas and a happy New Year, I'll leave it at that. ;) 8)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
P.S: I'm just kidding. I like ya. :)
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I suggest you look up 'zugzwang' in the old dictionary before you start throwing around words, genius. :D
You're an asshole, with your big words and dictionaries! >:(
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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An MRI a gold standard for measuring bodyfat????? What the heck?????? I've referred patients for an MRI for torn muscles, ligaments, stenosis, buldging disks, etc. but never to measure bodyfat. Why would a bodybuilder pay $1000-1500 for an MRI? Very puzzling...
Just save your money and look in the mirror to "see" what your bodyfat levels are.
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Dorian was great.
If that's your assessment, make sure to post your information so that we can avoid your practice in future.
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Suckymuscle, you really are an uneducated fool...Please, I almost had a modicum of respect for you. Here you go jerk off.
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BTW, I blocked out my last name, but I did not buy my degree on Ebay, such as yourself. Here is another one. Why don't you post your doctorate sucky>>>> ::)
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You guys are going back and fourth for an obvious reason.
Dorian Vs ROnnie, well woul dbe more like a draw. They both dominate in different areas, whenin their prime... i would feel sorry for the judged if they were really placed side by side at their prime, and best...it wul dbe so hard to judge..it would come down to personal pref...
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ND....Dorian looks like shiate in that most muscular. Give it up. Ronnie blows him away in chest, bi's, hell tri's if he ever hits the shots correctly, thighs, hams, glutes and shoulders. Please, the back is a wash....neither wins. Yates has better calves. Post some true pics of Ronnie in 2003 at 286 lbs. shredded and compare the same poses to Yates at his best 1993-1994. Ronnie is superior. To even compare the Yates s/p ripped biceps is laughable. The Ronnie of every year except 2001 would have smoked him. Also, all those who compare Yates to pre-Ronnie 1998 get over it. At that time, Ronnie was a cop and BB. When he finally dedicated himself to the craft, and decided to take gigantic quantities of illicit GH, insulin, and test did the inner beast come out. Face it, Ronnie natural would be a sick individual. Ronnie on gear is absolutely from another planet. Yates was great, but there are several BB from different era's who smoked him (Haney, Ronnie, and I would bet Sergio/Arnold if they were on the same gear).
ronnie was only natural when he was not a bb'er. "illicit" fucking great. :-\
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Delta, what the hell would you call someone without medical problems who injects high quantities of steroids, GH, insulin and Beta agonists to cut himself up. Moreover, why would a bodybuilder take a variety of diuretics like lasix, thiazide, acetazolamide, etc unless they were using it to cut up. That my friend is using "illicit" drugs. It is actually no different than a nut who snorts coke or shoots heroin. So, once again tell me a better description. ::)
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Suckymuscle, you really are an uneducated fool...Please, I almost had a modicum of respect for you. Here you go jerk off.
whooooossshhhhh someone got owned with that.
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Delta, what the hell would you call someone without medical problems who injects high quantities of steroids, GH, insulin and Beta agonists to cut himself up. Moreover, why would a bodybuilder take a variety of diuretics like lasix, thiazide, acetazolamide, etc unless they were using it to cut up. That my friend is using "illicit" drugs. It is actually no different than a nut who snorts coke or shoots heroin. So, once again tell me a better description. ::)
illicit just sounds funny. take it easy doc.
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Lennox Lewis.
;D
He won a gold medal fight for?
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The only mandatory poses Ronnie beats Dorian on are the most muscular (which wasn't a mandatory pose when Yates competed) and the back double biceps. Dorian wins the other six and takes the win.
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Delta, we're cool ;D. In medical practice, that is part of our social history. Dr. Xavier may concur. We state "patient is married, lives in the area, and denies tobacco, alcohol or illicit drug use." On retrospect, to the general public I guess it does have a strange sexual connotation to it. :o BTW, Dorian does not own Ronnie in any pose except side triceps and maybe overhead abs/thighs. Ronnie has better front double bi, rear lat spread, back double bi, most muscular. The side chest is a wash but Ronnie has better guns and legs; Dorian has shredded huge calves and a pretty thick chest.
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The only mandatory poses Ronnie beats Dorian on are the most muscular (which wasn't a mandatory pose when Yates competed) and the back double biceps. Dorian wins the other six and takes the win.
I disagree as most will as well.
There are only two bodyparts in which Dorian was superior: calves and abs (questionable in the pre-pregnant Ronnie era).
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I disagree as most will as well.
There are only two bodyparts in which Dorian was superior: calves and abs (questionable in the pre-pregnant Ronnie era).
I would give Dorian triceps as well..
but having better abs, calves and triceps doesn't really help much if you have inferior everything else plus and inferior taper, vascularity and striations..
The dorian-overrated hype continues!! 8)
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I would give Dorian triceps as well..
but having better abs, calves and triceps doesn't really help much if you have inferior everything else plus and inferior taper, vascularity and striations..
The dorian-overrated hype continues!! 8)
The meltdown continues as well lol
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Delta, we're cool ;D. In medical practice, that is part of our social history. Dr. Xavier may concur. We state "patient is married, lives in the area, and denies tobacco, alcohol or illicit drug use." On retrospect, to the general public I guess it does have a strange sexual connotation to it. BTW, Dorian does not own Ronnie in any pose except side triceps and maybe overhead abs/thighs. Ronnie has better front double bi, rear lat spread, back double bi, most muscular. The side chest is a wash but Ronnie has better guns and legs; Dorian has shredded huge calves and a pretty thick chest.
What is this, now? The AMA board? When have medical doctors become authorities, on bodybuilding? I mean, they are the same group that told us androgens did not work, for increasing muscle protein synthesis, even after five decades of it being successfully by athletes, for this same purpose. You know, when you guys cure cancer or HIV, then you'll have some right to lecture others about ho human pysiology works. Better idea! Why don't you guys cure the the flu? You know, the most common of ailments, for which the glorious medical science has no answers. After that, show me a doctor who got truly huge, just by understanding how the human body works and you'll have more bragging rights(steroids, insulin and GH cannot be used, because most medical doctors still proclaim they are not anabolic). As for you claiming that I bought my diploma on e-bay, it's not even worth replying to. Dude, you graduated from the University of Miami. :-[ ;D
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The only mandatory poses Ronnie beats Dorian on are the most muscular (which wasn't a mandatory pose when Yates competed) and the back double biceps. Dorian wins the other six and takes the win.
You are correct. People seem to ignore Dorian's vastly superior conditioning. If the judging criteria was based solely on who has the most mass, these Dorian haters would have a realistic argument. We can no longer say Ronnie Coleman and aesthetics in the same sentence. besides, a 90s Coleman would not have an advantage over the Yates in the mass department. Pick your Ronnie - you can't combine all the Ronnie's past and present. ;D
Dorian Yates(1993) Ronnie Coleman(2001 AC)
Front Double Bicep W L Coleman is flat
Front Lat Spread W L Killing Ronnie in the chest
Side Chest ? ? Haven't seen a Yates
Side Tricep W L Advantage - tris,calves,chest
Abdominal and Thigh W L Dorian by a mile
Rear Double Bicep L W Can't see Dorian's biceps
Rear Lat Spread W L Dorian's thickness/dryness
Most Muscular L W Ronnie's biceps/mass/vascu.
Winner : DORIAN YATES ! - With a combination of dense mass and far superior conditioning.
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(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Coleman08.jpg)
(http://www.beyondrelief.com/images/colemanback.jpg)
People seem to ignore Dorian's vastly superior conditioning.
Superior conditioning? I don't think so - look at the pics above from the 98 Olympia. Dorian was not dryer than this.
besides, to me, dorian has never really looked well conditioned except for his lower back.
Why you ask? because his quads lacked seperation, as did his chest, arms and deltoids. Look at the infamous most muscular - Dorian was superbly conditioned, but he would look a whole lot more impressive in that pose if he had the seperation and striations necessary to go along with his dryness. But he didn't have great seperation from the front. Lower back - yes, but not much else.
Dorian was dry - but he lacked the striations and seperation in key bodyparts - so his dryness was never as impressive as it could have been.
Yet another fact in a long list of reasons why he was vastly overrated.
Here is what happens when you combine extreme dryness with seperation:
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/comp986.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/52.jpg)
you get arms and legs that look like this... :o :o
Instead of this:
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy35.jpg)
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Zzzzzzzzz, wow, another Dorian vs Ronnie thread, sweet how original. Guys, Dorian just announced to the world (if anyone really gives a shit, which they do not) that Ronnie beats him and I have to agree, if you do not, than you are a fucking homo licking ass loving cockmaster. Ronnie owns Dorian, it is simple evolution of one stage of BB to the next. You know, from one bloated, unhealthy, monsterouslly huge and ugly body to the next. Get a fucking clue.
This arguement is tired and dull.....Ship it you guys.
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Zzzzzzzzz, wow, another Dorian vs Ronnie thread, sweet how original. Guys, Dorian just announced to the world (if anyone really gives a shit, which they do not) that Ronnie beats him and I have to agree, if you do not, than you are a fucking homo licking ass loving cockmaster. Ronnie owns Dorian, it is simple evolution of one stage of BB to the next. You know, from one bloated, unhealthy, monsterouslly huge and ugly body to the next. Get a fucking clue.
This arguement is tired and dull.....Ship it you guys.
Dorian is just speculating. The fact remains, Dorian has actually DEFEATED Ronnie Coleman.
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Hulkster, please. 98 Ronnie Coleman? We already know what the judges thought about the smaller aesthetic looking Flex Wheeler or Levrone - and these guys looked better than a 98 Ronnie! They didn't have deformed 5-pack abdominals. Talk about poor muscle shape :o
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Yeah? Poor muscle shape? Bad guts? You suck? Maybe, maybe not, The fact remains that they lost to Coleman, it was already in the books Jacko so it doesnt fucking matter. Wheeler was spent from his battles with Godzilla and some ninjas while Levrone was busy not working out his legs. It's cash in the bank my nugga', move on.
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Sucky, you are really funny. There are only 126 medical schools in the country. Fact, Miami is consistently rated in the top third in grants and entrance requirements. Fact, it was also one of only 5 schools in the country that has a 6 year BA/MD program. Also, it is a world leader in many areas of human physiology, including paralysis research. Read before you talk like the chump you are. BTW, where did you get your RN...ehrr I mean degree. You are a pathetic whiner who has been shot down again and again and still bitches like a girl. You truly are a typical high school internet loser. Have fun in 11th grade kid.
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Sucky, then you go on how about there is no real knowledge of physiology by the medical community. Right, I should trust the tranny in the back room who wants a BJ to get my testosterone from. You are seriously deluded. You asked for proof and got it. BTW, if you would do a simple PUBMED search which is open to the public you would find tons of useful articles about anabolic steroids. As for the flu or HIV, consider that the mortality rate for both diseases has gone down over 90+ percent since they were officially recognized. Get a frickin clue. At least ND is interesting in his posts and generally gives some supporting evidence for his feelings.
Link below for Sucky and others who may want an insight on what scientist (and yes, some do lift amazingly as I know a PhD who won some regional shows0:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search&DB=pubmed
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Sucky, then you go on how about there is no real knowledge of physiology by the medical community. Right, I should trust the tranny in the back room who wants a BJ to get my testosterone from. You are seriously deluded. You asked for proof and got it. BTW, if you would do a simple PUBMED search which is open to the public you would find tons of useful articles about anabolic steroids. As for the flu or HIV, consider that the mortality rate for both diseases has gone down over 90+ percent since they were officially recognized. Get a frickin clue. At least ND is interesting in his posts and generally gives some supporting evidence for his feelings.
Link below for Sucky and others who may want an insight on what scientist (and yes, some do lift amazingly as I know a PhD who won some regional shows0:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search&DB=pubmed
Dude, I don't care about you or your degree. There are millions of medical doctors in the world; you're nothing special. Doctors don't know shit about bodybuilding. The official position, of the AMA, for over forty years, was that steroids do not work to increase muscle mass. Also, your degree can be fake. I can buy or make a copy of your degree if, I want to. Your reply was childish, especially for a doctor, who's supposed to be mature and intelligent. I wish your patients could see you no, using pathetic gay jokes and resorting to insults proper for an eleventh grader.
If you had any wit and intelligence, you'd have seen that I was joking in my post. I feel sorry for you, dude:you actually posted a picture of your degree, when I demanded it from you. It goes to show that you have the maturity of a high schooler, who has to show off to impress others. I showed your posts to Mark, my brother, who's also a doctor and he couldn't stop laughing at your anger and desire for self-affirmation. You're pathetic. :-[ :-\
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I disagree as most will as well.
There are only two bodyparts in which Dorian was superior: calves and abs (questionable in the pre-pregnant Ronnie era).
Most people who disagree never saw Dorian and Ronnie onstage. Dorian was a master of the mandatory poses. Ronnie is awesome in person, but he would be picked apart by Dorian during pre-judging. Dorian wins 6 of the 8 mandatory poses.
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And that is what it is all about, how you project and display yourself on stage too the judges.
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Most people who disagree never saw Dorian and Ronnie onstage. Dorian was a master of the mandatory poses. Ronnie is awesome in person, but he would be picked apart by Dorian during pre-judging. Dorian wins 6 of the 8 mandatory poses.
Excellent post !! Dorian does look better in the mandatory poses , Ronnie cannout even do them correctly add better balance & proportion into the equasion and there you have it.
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(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Coleman08.jpg)
(http://www.beyondrelief.com/images/colemanback.jpg)
Superior conditioning? I don't think so - look at the pics above from the 98 Olympia. Dorian was not dryer than this.
besides, to me, dorian has never really looked well conditioned except for his lower back.
Why you ask? because his quads lacked seperation, as did his chest, arms and deltoids. Look at the infamous most muscular - Dorian was superbly conditioned, but he would look a whole lot more impressive in that pose if he had the seperation and striations necessary to go along with his dryness. But he didn't have great seperation from the front. Lower back - yes, but not much else.
Dorian was dry - but he lacked the striations and seperation in key bodyparts - so his dryness was never as impressive as it could have been.
Yet another fact in a long list of reasons why he was vastly overrated.
Here is what happens when you combine extreme dryness with seperation:
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/comp986.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/52.jpg)
you get arms and legs that look like this... :o :o
Instead of this:
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy35.jpg)
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once again here you go making claims left and right. You have never seen these men compete in person yet you are trying to tell us who was drier? :-\
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Sucky, I am not being hostile. I find it offensive that your deride anybody with an opinion contrary to your own. Whatever dude. You claim to be a Mensa member; sure you are. You claim your brother is a doctor, sure he is. When you spew a load of crap over and over again, it gets old. I had to point out to you the absurd post about Dorian being 274 lbs with 2% bodyfat. Let's see, that amounts to five pounds of fat overall. That is not compatible with life. You quote McGough like he is the truth; where is the proof. You never give any proof. MRI for bodyfat...hahaha...you are an idiot. I enjoy putting morons like you in their place when they think they have such high intellectual capacity. Mensa huh....you sure you're not talking about the special Olympics.
As for the majority of physicians being blind to steroids...I agree, but if you bothered to check out my link it clearly shows that this is changing. In medical school, I got to work a rotation with a world famous hepatologist (Dr. Eugene Schiff...why don't you read about him) and we saw a couple of prison guards who came in with inexplicable jaundice (it means you turn yellow..Sucky..that was for you). Turns out their only recreational habit was workig out and using Anadrol. Guess what, they had liver biopsies with active hepatitis. When they went off the juice, their liver enzymes came back down. Bounce it off your brother, unless he is a chiropractor he knows that steroids can do this. I consider this matter closed. Go on spewing whatever crap you want, I don't want to make you anymore insecure than you obviously are. BTW, the medical degree is real and I am double board certified. I just hope if you ever get ill you don't act like a know it all schmuck to your physician; that is not a very wise thing to do.
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once again here you go making claims left and right. You have never seen these men compete in person yet you are trying to tell us who was drier? :-\
look at the pics. Both men were dry.
But people are saying that Dorian "destroys ronnie in conditioning"..well, look at those shots from the 98 Olympia - have you ever seen pecs that look dryer than that? I can't think of ANYONE, even Munzer, who can make Ronnie 98 look soft.
You don't have to have seen these guys in person to know that Ronnie was dry as a bone in 98.
which means that Dorian certainly does not "blow ronnnie out of the water" in terms of conditioning.
All I am saying is that, for as Dry as Dorian was, his genetically unstriated look hurts him.
He would have been even more impressive with more cuts in the quads, pecs, delts etc etc.
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look at the pics. Both men were dry.
But people are saying that Dorian "destroys ronnie in conditioning"..well, look at those shots from the 98 Olympia - have you ever seen pecs that look dryer than that? I can't think of ANYONE, even Munzer, who can make Ronnie 98 look soft.
You don't have to have seen these guys in person to know that Ronnie was dry as a bone in 98.
which means that Dorian certainly does not "blow ronnnie out of the water" in terms of conditioning.
All I am saying is that, for as Dry as Dorian was, his genetically unstriated look hurts him.
He would have been even more impressive with more cuts in the quads, pecs, delts etc etc.
I completely agree, but let's not say who is better than who based off a few pictures. Fact of the matter is they are both the best of their time and that's that.
I do think though that a lot of myth about Dorian's "Grainyness" floats around becuase of the Black and white shots whereas ronnie's are in color.
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look at the pics. Both men were dry.
But people are saying that Dorian "destroys ronnie in conditioning"..well, look at those shots from the 98 Olympia - have you ever seen pecs that look dryer than that? I can't think of ANYONE, even Munzer, who can make Ronnie 98 look soft.
You don't have to have seen these guys in person to know that Ronnie was dry as a bone in 98.
which means that Dorian certainly does not "blow ronnnie out of the water" in terms of conditioning.
All I am saying is that, for as Dry as Dorian was, his genetically unstriated look hurts him.
He would have been even more impressive with more cuts in the quads, pecs, delts etc etc.
Yates was known for his back , his size & conditioning , just because he doesn't have striations doesn't mean he doesn't have the edge on conditioning , striations are actually genetic hence why not all bodybuilders can have ripped glutes and why Munzer had more striations than ANYONE and at his very best Dorian had no major flaws his biceps at his best wern't peaked but were not a flaw , his biceps were fully developed and didn't lack shape , and you can't complain about his quad detail because Coleman had his best had mediocre detail in his abs so thats wash , Ronnie did however have 2 major flaws , poor calves & balance & proportion .
You can go on how Coleman has better shape but I can counter with some muscles were better shapped , but look at Colemans oddly shaped glutes , abs , triceps , calves , at their respective bests Dorian has everything Coleman does plus calves , conditioning ( although may be slight ) and balance & proportion not to mention Ronnie's best was 245lbs & Yates was 269lbs thats 22 extra pounds of size and this with simply looking better in most of the mandatory poses , coupled with a higher overall win percentage 88% vs 55% would in my uneducated and nonprofessional opinion would tip the balance in favor of Dorian Yates.
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Sucky, I am not being hostile. I find it offensive that your deride anybody with an opinion contrary to your own. Whatever dude. You claim to be a Mensa member; sure you are. You claim your brother is a doctor, sure he is. When you spew a load of crap over and over again, it gets old. I had to point out to you the absurd post about Dorian being 274 lbs with 2% bodyfat. Let's see, that amounts to five pounds of fat overall. That is not compatible with life. You quote McGough like he is the truth; where is the proof. You never give any proof. MRI for bodyfat...hahaha...you are an idiot. I enjoy putting morons like you in their place when they think they have such high intellectual capacity. Mensa huh....you sure you're not talking about the special Olympics.
As for the majority of physicians being blind to steroids...I agree, but if you bothered to check out my link it clearly shows that this is changing. In medical school, I got to work a rotation with a world famous hepatologist (Dr. Eugene Schiff...why don't you read about him) and we saw a couple of prison guards who came in with inexplicable jaundice (it means you turn yellow..Sucky..that was for you). Turns out their only recreational habit was workig out and using Anadrol. Guess what, they had liver biopsies with active hepatitis. When they went off the juice, their liver enzymes came back down. Bounce it off your brother, unless he is a chiropractor he knows that steroids can do this. I consider this matter closed. Go on spewing whatever crap you want, I don't want to make you anymore insecure than you obviously are. BTW, the medical degree is real and I am double board certified. I just hope if you ever get ill you don't act like a know it all schmuck to your physician; that is not a very wise thing to do.
What does this have to do with Dorian?
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Sucky, I am not being hostile. I find it offensive that your deride anybody with an opinion contrary to your own. Whatever dude. You claim to be a Mensa member; sure you are. You claim your brother is a doctor, sure he is. When you spew a load of crap over and over again, it gets old. I had to point out to you the absurd post about Dorian being 274 lbs with 2% bodyfat. Let's see, that amounts to five pounds of fat overall. That is not compatible with life. You quote McGough like he is the truth; where is the proof. You never give any proof. MRI for bodyfat...hahaha...you are an idiot. I enjoy putting morons like you in their place when they think they have such high intellectual capacity. Mensa huh....you sure you're not talking about the special Olympics.
As for the majority of physicians being blind to steroids...I agree, but if you bothered to check out my link it clearly shows that this is changing. In medical school, I got to work a rotation with a world famous hepatologist (Dr. Eugene Schiff...why don't you read about him) and we saw a couple of prison guards who came in with inexplicable jaundice (it means you turn yellow..Sucky..that was for you). Turns out their only recreational habit was workig out and using Anadrol. Guess what, they had liver biopsies with active hepatitis. When they went off the juice, their liver enzymes came back down. Bounce it off your brother, unless he is a chiropractor he knows that steroids can do this. I consider this matter closed. Go on spewing whatever crap you want, I don't want to make you anymore insecure than you obviously are. BTW, the medical degree is real and I am double board certified. I just hope if you ever get ill you don't act like a know it all schmuck to your physician; that is not a very wise thing to do.
get off your high horse...
exactly how many thousands of people die every year from medical mistakes by dumbass doctors..... ???
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Sucky, you are really funny. There are only 126 medical schools in the country. Fact, Miami is consistently rated in the top third in grants and entrance requirements. Fact, it was also one of only 5 schools in the country that has a 6 year BA/MD program. Also, it is a world leader in many areas of human physiology, including paralysis research. Read before you talk like the chump you are. BTW, where did you get your RN...ehrr I mean degree. You are a pathetic whiner who has been shot down again and again and still bitches like a girl. You truly are a typical high school internet loser. Have fun in 11th grade kid.
only 126....
hahahahahah.... thats why we have a boat load of dumbasses pretending to be doctors......
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haha mensa, the iq entrance is 135 on most of the tests, hardly anything to brag about. and you must be a major geek to join mensa, there is a difference between being smart and being a loser who joins a group of intellectuals who do nothing, haha. sucky shut your face, you've been pwned over and over by intelligent people who know what you claim is pure bullshit, take the neuroscience argument we had, i owned you so bad you didnt reply,and i supplied references for you to read. you dont have more then general knowledge on any topic from what i gleaned so stop pretending your some genius who apparently doesn't know anything.
what is your degree in by the way, or degrees?
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sucky's degree is in Dorian Fellatio 101.
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They lack that diamond crispness.....
are you a fashion editor or a bodybuilder? ;D
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haha mensa, the iq entrance is 135 on most of the tests, hardly anything to brag about. and you must be a major geek to join mensa, there is a difference between being smart and being a loser who joins a group of intellectuals who do nothing, haha. sucky shut your face, you've been pwned over and over by intelligent people who know what you claim is pure bullshit, take the neuroscience argument we had, i owned you so bad you didnt reply,and i supplied references for you to read. you dont have more then general knowledge on any topic from what i gleaned so stop pretending your some genius who apparently doesn't know anything.
what is your degree in by the way, or degrees?
This coming from a moron who barely posted at the thread. I have owned you, Hulkster, NeoSemen, Pumpster en absurdum continuously. None of you can argue with me, so you just ignore my posts saying that it's all bullshit. But I have a suspicion that you fags do read what I write and secretly agree with it. Unable to react, you go on to post the same pics of Dorian in 94 or Ronnie in 99 and say that he was an overrated brick-layer. I have owned all of you continuously and quite easily.
As for Mensa, retard, I only mentioned it because it't the one most people are aware of. Ever heard of the Cerebrals Society(I.Q 144+ 99.7%)? I'm a member! Ever heard of the Triple Nine Society(I.Q 150+ 99.9%)? I'm a member! Ever head of Sigma Society IV(I.Q 164 99.997%)? I'm a member! So you've just been violently owned by yours truly for talking out of your ass. ;) Oh, and by the way, the cut-off for Mensa is not 135, you idiot, but 132(98%)
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sucky's degree is in Dorian Fellatio 101.
Said the "Leader of the Colemaniacs" ;)
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id like some proof of your claims, since you owned me so bad. hhaaha, i dont need to post in the thread i have better shit to do, you made a stupid claim with no factual data then i shat on you simple as that.
The term "IQ score" is widely used but poorly defined. There are a large number of tests with different scales. The result on one test of 132 can be the same as a score 148 on another test. Some intelligence tests don't use IQ scores at all. Mensa has set a percentile as cutoff to avoid this confusion. Candidates for membership in Mensa must achieve a score at or above the 98th percentile (a score that is greater than or equal to 98 percent of the general population taking the test) on a standard test of intelligence.
the test i took was timed for 12 minutes and the cut-off was 135. it varies, the 98th percentile is the true marker. nothing i said was erroneous, just you professing your greatness with no proof as usual.
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what are your degrees in again?
and the quote was taken from the mensa site. you googled that shit last night in a frantic panic haha.
what are your degrees again?
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you grill nico about posting his proof and looking for acceptance and then you spout off about glee clubs you've joined as if your superior. were you the guy from mensa that lost on the 100 dollar question on who wants to be a millionaire.
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Sucky has a B.A. in Dorian Anal Arts.
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This coming from a moron who barely posted at the thread. I have owned you, Hulkster, NeoSemen, Pumpster en absurdum continuously. None of you can argue with me, so you just ignore my posts saying that it's all bullshit. But I have a suspicion that you fags do read what I write and secretly agree with it. Unable to react, you go on to post the same pics of Dorian in 94 or Ronnie in 99 and say that he was an overrated brick-layer. I have owned all of you continuously and quite easily.
you have owned no one but yourself. There may have been times when we disagreed on something and you turned out right. However, your overuse of the word "owned" makes you sound like a loser who validates his existence by online arguments. You're Pathetic!
As for Mensa, retard, I only mentioned it because it't the one most people are aware of. Ever heard of the Cerebrals Society(I.Q 144+ 99.7%)? I'm a member! Ever heard of the Triple Nine Society(I.Q 150+ 99.9%)? I'm a member! Ever head of Sigma Society IV(I.Q 164 99.997%)? I'm a member! So you've just been violently owned by yours truly for talking out of your ass. ;) Oh, and by the way, the cut-off for Mensa is not 135, you idiot, but 132(98%)
I highly doubt you have an IQ above 135, let alone 164. Which test did you take? Also, what age did you take it? I wouldn't be surprised if you are using your childhood scores. They are always inflated way above the adult score they correspond to.
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i know someone with a 170 plus iq and he sounds nothing like sucky. he actually knows scietific terminology and intricate details and has a phd, while you refer to the conversion of visual inputs from the visual cortex as electro-chemical signals without referring to the typology of the receptors nor the way in which this process is modulated, someone with a working knowledge would have owned me much better as you put it.
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i know someone with a 170 plus iq and he sounds nothing like sucky. he actually knows scietific terminology and intricate details and has a phd, while you refer to the conversion of visual inputs from the visual cortex as electro-chemical signals without referring to the typology of the receptors nor the way in which this process is modulated, someone with a working knowledge would have owned me much better as you put it.
High IQ's don't mean you'll know scientifc terminology or intricate details , a high IQ means you're extremely great at memory and problem solving , having a high IQ doesn't mean you'll be successfull or rich or happy , actually its very hard having a high IQ because it usually goes unnoticed and its very hard to relate to other people because they can't understand you , most people with high IQs don't do well in school because it lacks a challenge to their minds
Srinivasa Ramanujan was one of the brightest mathemticians who ever lived , he lived in India all his life and created some of the most complex math theories in history that it took years after his death to be proven true , thats how advanced this guy was and he got started with just a grade school Engliah math book someone gave him , anyway he moved to England while there someone found him one morning shivering because its gets cold in England and in India where he was from the tempeture never goes below 70 degrees so he never needed a blanket to cover up with , however he was laying ontop of a blanket and it never dawned on him to cover up with it to keep warm , so having a high IQ doesn't mean much outside the realm of memory & problem solving.
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ND: nice to see a fan of Srinivasa Ramanujan in the house!!!
I read " The Man who knew infinity " by Robert Kanigel great read needless to say I didn't get the theorums !!
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While I disagree with some of your finer points regarding the Dorian and Ronnie debates it is clear you have remarkable intelligence.
Thank you !! I'm glad we can agree to disagree !! ??? :) ;)
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While I disagree with some of your finer points regarding the Dorian and Ronnie debates it is clear you have remarkable intelligence for a man who has no fucking clue what he is talking about.
agreed.
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you illustrate my point exactly, perhaps more gracefully. knowledge is different then iq but iq does allow processing to be done alot easier and much more efficiently=better knowledge. but yes you have to put forth the effort to learn the material. my point is sucky has claimed to have studied this material and therefore should have much better knowledge and be able to articulate his points much more efficiently and elequently.
i disagree somewhat with your statements about doing bad in school that has more to do with temperment. if someone with high iq has the will to learn then he will invariably result in a great student on virture of information processsing and ease of communication. but you are right iq isnt a marker of overall knowledge of terminology or detail, but for the reasons frontispiece of this comment, but iq does have a correlation with knowledge of studied material feel me? i never got it across quite well but if you say you have an astonishing iq and that you have a good modicum of knowledge you should be able to outwit a mere mortal like me. but this is not the case hence sucky is a cumstain claiming to be the next einstein.
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you may be smart ND but quoting a book doesnt prove it so. if you had outlined his theories or something yes but matt c is acting like knowing someones name makes you smart. im not challenging your intelligence just that this is the same argument sucky uses to proclaim his genius, "go read some penrose the road to reality" im an intellect, i have a high iq but know nothing, and cant elaborate more then google will allow.
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sucky is a cumstain claiming to be the next einstein.
ha ha ha ha ha
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id like some proof of your claims, since you owned me so bad. hhaaha, i dont need to post in the thread i have better shit to do, you made a stupid claim with no factual data then i shat on you simple as that.
The term "IQ score" is widely used but poorly defined. There are a large number of tests with different scales.
Actually, there are only a few test which psychometricians recognize as valid. These include the Stanford-Bint, The Cattel and the WAIS(Weschler Adult Antelligence Scales). The Raven Progressive Matrices were also widely accepted, but they're no discredited due to the this test being the one where The Flynn Effect was shown to have distorted the scores the most.
The result on one test of 132 can be the same as a score 148 on another test.
Not if the tests have the same scale! The Stanford-binet scale, for instance, uses a standard-deviation of 16. The Weschler uses 15, ad the Cattel, 24. So a score of 148 in the Cattel test is equivalent to 132, Stanford-Binet. Regardless, this is immaterial when comparing tests that use a similar scale.
Some intelligence tests don't use IQ scores at all. Mensa has set a percentile as cutoff to avoid this confusion. Candidates for membership in Mensa must achieve a score at or above the 98th percentile (a score that is greater than or equal to 98 percent of the general population taking the test) on a standard test of intelligence.
You got that information from me, when I corrected you... ;)
the test i took was timed for 12 minutes and the cut-off was 135. it varies, the 98th percentile is the true marker. nothing i said was erroneous, just you professing your greatness with no proof as usual.
The proof is that you can't stop from contradicting yourself when you argue with me. Since the basis of logic is the non-contradictory identification of facts, and since the ability to infer and deduce logically is the most important factor in "G"(general intelligence), then it means that I'm more intelligent than you. ;)
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you have a good modicum of knowledge you should be able to outwit a mere mortal like me.
But the thing is...I did outwit you. Badly. ;)
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you have owned no one but yourself. There may have been times when we disagreed on something and you turned out right. However, your overuse of the word "owned" makes you sound like a loser who validates his existence by online arguments. You're Pathetic!
I highly doubt you have an IQ above 135, let alone 164. Which test did you take? Also, what age did you take it? I wouldn't be surprised if you are using your childhood scores. They are always inflated way above the adult score they correspond to.
Actually, my ratio I.Q score, as a child, was 185. That is equivalent to an adult I.Q of about 165 on a scale with a standard-deviation of about sixteen. ;)(see Scorsville chart of converting childhood I.Qs to adult scores.)
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High IQ's don't mean you'll know scientifc terminology or intricate details , a high IQ means you're extremely great at memory and problem solving , having a high IQ doesn't mean you'll be successfull or rich or happy , actually its very hard having a high IQ because it usually goes unnoticed and its very hard to relate to other people because they can't understand you , most people with high IQs don't do well in school because it lacks a challenge to their minds
Srinivasa Ramanujan was one of the brightest mathemticians who ever lived , he lived in India all his life and created some of the most complex math theories in history that it took years after his death to be proven true , thats how advanced this guy was and he got started with just a grade school Engliah math book someone gave him , anyway he moved to England while there someone found him one morning shivering because its gets cold in England and in India where he was from the tempeture never goes below 70 degrees so he never needed a blanket to cover up with , however he was laying ontop of a blanket and it never dawned on him to cover up with it to keep warm , so having a high IQ doesn't mean much outside the realm of memory & problem solving.
LOL that reminds me lots of lectures I know.Even one of my prof's and I talked about it.
Some people can solve physical and math problems all day long...but we have seen them get confused when someone ask them to turn the lightoff because it reflects off the board LOL.
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hahah, you are barking up the wrong tree with regards to intelligence quotients, scale is the measurement yes but the tests have different questions with varying degrees of difficulty and inherent differences with regards to what is tested, ala spatial tests, memory tasks etc.
were did you outwit me, the cutoff score on the test i took was 135, some have different scores, there website which you got the information from says 132 for that particular test, like i said it varies depending on the difficulty, could be timed, or not, more questions etc.. resulting in variability of scores, hence the unpredictability of the tests.
the fact that you savegly compete in the hulkster thread indicates you are moron of the highest order, your brillance is needed in the fight against aids yet you adamantly defend dorian yates on the internet for the greater good of the world,please , the jigs up your the type of guy that does oral enemas as a hobby.
what are your degrees in again, dont you have three undergrade degrees or something?
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Make sure you put it into context ;)
" Thats very hard for me to answer , I'd probably , Ronnie would probably beat me I guess , I don't know , its hard to say you know , its hard to say but , Ronnie now is you know , what is he , Ronnie is comming in great shape probably 15 - 20lbs heavier than I was and that might tip the balance in Ronnies favor probably , although uh I probably have a little bit better balance and better conditioning on the day of the conest , and with Ronnies got you know is so ahead in muscluar size that uh you know they would probably go with Ronnie I would think , it would be down to the judges , its a hard question for me to answer you know. "
He gave an honest answer and he feels the judges would go with Ronnie , you have to admire his honesty.
Yeah, so why YOUR dishonesty?
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sucky is considered being put on the endangered animals list by greenpeace because he's swallowed enough sperm to be considered a whale
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Quote from: Matt C on November 09, 2006, 09:12:16 PM
While I disagree with some of your finer points regarding the Dorian and Ronnie debates it is clear you have remarkable intelligence for a man who has no fucking clue what he is talking about.
agreed.
There was a need to correct this until reading the last few words. haahahahahahahahahah
LOL that reminds me lots of lectures I know.Even one of my prof's and I talked about it.
Some people can solve physical and math problems all day long...but we have seen them get confused when someone ask them to turn the lightoff because it reflects off the board LOL.
Who knows if SUCKY's IQ is a made up no. I believe his degrees may be mail-order. Befuddlement plays a central role.
you may be smart ND but quoting a book doesnt prove it so. if you had outlined his theories or something yes but matt c is acting like knowing someones name makes you smart. im not challenging your intelligence just that this is the same argument sucky uses to proclaim his genius, "go read some penrose the road to reality" im an intellect, i have a high iq but know nothing, and cant elaborate more then google will allow.
Name-dropping book titles fools some, in the same way reposting IFBB judging criteria does. ;)
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another thread very badly got hijacked by the yates and coleman ass lickers....this shit needs to stop.just keep your shitty debates in that retarded 520 page thread of yours..YOU GUYS MAKE ME SICK
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With your intelligence you're badly needed on the losing Yates side.
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sucky is considered being put on the endangered animals list by greenpeace because he's swallowed enough sperm to be considered a whale
Of course I'm a whale! Since I'm against inter-species intercourse, I'm glad that I'm a whale because that allows me to fuck your momma. ;D ;)
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P.S: My I.Q is much, much higher than yours, ulickspooge.
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but im smarter, so in the end it doesnt matter
what are your degrees in again? if nothing then shut the fuck up
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another thread very badly got hijacked by the yates and coleman ass lickers....this shit needs to stop.just keep your shitty debates in that retarded 520 page thread of yours..YOU GUYS MAKE ME SICK
hello retard?
how can a thread that is titled :
"Ronnie beats me quote from dorian yates"
possibly be hijacked by Yates and Coleman fans??
hello???????????????????????????????????????????????
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haha hulkster just owned the shadow, maybe insted of begging for peace on getbig and professing his virginity and life of sheer unadulterated pathetica he should just shut the fuck up, this queef comes to a ronnie and dorian debate thread and complains people hijacked it, ahahah sounds like the type of guy that has dreams about fruits like bannanas and cucumbers having sex with him and gerbils crawling up his rectum too.
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Epic bump for ND and Hulkster feud.
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I don't think Dorian thinks Coleman is better just that because being 15-20lbs heavier than him may tip the scales in his favor , i
so you can read minds now....
leader of the x men charles xavier huh
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I don't think that ANY Mr. Olympia would conceed that another Mr. O. is better, at least two being so close in time to one another.
Why do you think that Ronnie lost the challenge round this year?
the judging panel was all Mr. O's :-\.
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notice how Kevin and Ronnie have classical champion bb physiques, and dorian is a barrel with twigs :'(
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I agree Hulkster, how the fuck did this thread only make it to 15 pages
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I agree Hulkster, how the fuck did this thread only make it to 15 pages
because even the delusional dorian nuthuggers know dorian didn't come close no matter what Ronnie says..
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notice how Kevin and Ronnie have classical champion bb physiques, and dorian is a barrel with twigs :'(
yet, he easily beat both of them every time.
who ever said that classical was good or what a champion should have?
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yet, he easily beat both of them every time.
who ever said that classical was good or what a champion should have?
Hulkster owned yet again lol
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who ever said that classical was good or what a champion should have?
anyone who knows that a keg physique belongs in powerlifting, not bodybuilding..
which is most of us, thankfully, save for a few delusional morons like yourselves...
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well, they shouldn't look like this thats for sure: :'(
Ronnie disagrees ;) as did the judges
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Ronnie disagrees ;) as did the judges
ronnie can be wrong.
judges do what Joe Weider and the IFBB tell them to do - look no farther than the dorian yates post tear "reign.".
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ronnie can be wrong.
judges do what Joe Weider and the IFBB tell them to do - look no farther than the dorian yates post tear "reign.".
Oh never expected the default politics excuse never heard that one before ::) STFU your shit is tired . Dorian kicked Ronnie's ass like I kicked yours ;)
game over.
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Every body in the bodybuilding industry who competed with Yates and Coleman say Yates was better. ;)
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IMO Haney beats them all.........he had the body I always wanted...perfect Front Double Bi....LAt spread...the works !!!!!
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maybe below the knee is not judged looking at today's bodybuilders ,NarcissisticDeity. ;D
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maybe below the knee is not judged looking at today's bodybuilders ,NarcissisticDeity. ;D
Ms Olympia had bigger & better calves
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Ms Olympia had bigger & better calves
maybe Ronnie likes to wear long pants? ;D
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IMO Haney beats them all.........he had the body I always wanted...perfect Front Double Bi....LAt spread...the works !!!!!
Completely bereft of balance in two-thirds of bod, toro entirely too big for mediocre limbs actually.
Haney's the one guy who made Yates look like he had good arms. Those two are tied for worst MM of all time. ;)
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LOL. Dorian's 'twigs' vs Ronnie's bird calves!? Is that where we're at these days? I need a scorecard to keep up.
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Completely bereft of balance in two-thirds of bod, toro entirely too big for mediocre limbs actually.
ha ha ha ha this coming from a Coleman groupie who has piss-poor balance himself lol great logic calves way to small and underdeveloped for his quads , overdeveloped glutes that can actually been seen in front poses , short torso , long arms , biceps/triceps that dwarf his forearms , keep grasping at straws
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LOL. Dorian's 'twigs' vs Ronnie's bird calves!? Is that where we're at these days? I need a scorecard to keep up.
we're at Ronnie conceded on numerous occasions he could never beat Dorian that rendered ANYTHING they could type moot. they're long finished just licking their wounds now ;)
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Kevin Horton in private PM to me a few months ago:
"I believe that Dorian like he looked three weeks out from the 95' Olympia defeats everyone in the history of bodybuilding. I have some pictures of him and he looks inhuman. I will scan them and post when I have some time." ;)
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Kevin Horton in private PM to me a few months ago:
"I believe that Dorian like he looked three weeks out from the 95' Olympia defeats everyone in the history of bodybuilding. I have some pictures of him and he looks inhuman. I will scan them and post when I have some time." ;)
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the ones they cried photoshopped lol they still haven't recovered
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Kevin Horton in private PM to me a few months ago:
"I believe that Dorian like he looked three weeks out from the 95' Olympia defeats everyone in the history of bodybuilding. I have some pictures of him and he looks inhuman. I will scan them and post when I have some time." ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
He's not biased at all, nope.
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He's not biased at all, nope.
When people say Ronnie is better they're not biased though lol great logic
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He's not biased at all, nope.
Why would he be biased? He has no relation to Yates, either commercial or biological. He has actually spoken very highly of Ronnie and he believes that Ronnie the night before the 2002 Olympia is the second best physique ever after Dorian three weeks out from the 95' Olympia. ;)
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He's not biased at all, nope.
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so.
Biased or honest? pick one
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the ones they cried photoshopped lol they still haven't recovered
nope, not photoshopped at all LOL ::)
dorian does look good given Platz's quads though..
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nope, not photoshopped at all LOL ::)
ha ha ha ha ha it's not the same contest or the same weights you moron , and Kevin Horton who took the picked already owned your ass one this already thanks for playing jackass
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ha ha ha ha ha it's not the same contest or the same weights you moron , and Kevin Horton who took the picked already owned your ass one this already thanks for playing jackass
lol ND schooling the clowns once again
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ugh, not this shit again.
Kevin Horton in private PM to me a few months ago:
"I believe that Dorian like he looked three weeks out from the 95' Olympia defeats everyone in the history of bodybuilding. I have some pictures of him and he looks inhuman. I will scan them and post when I have some time."
Milos Sarcev - European Flex, April 2004
"Chris Lund who I consider to be a great expert in our sport of bodybuilding, told me that Ronnie is simply the best bodybuilder he has ever seen, or photographed, and he has seen everybody, during the last 35 years."
I would take the words of Chris Lund, who has been in the business longer and is impartial, over Kevin Horton. ;)
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while we're at it, we might as well hear what the experts have to say.
Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005
"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."
Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
http://www.muscletime.com/news/contest-results/2007-mr-olympia-analysis
Hollis Liebman - Former IFBB Official
"The era of the big man would commence with Lee Haney (1984-1991), whose formidable torso would dominate the lineup for 8 straight years and was then elevated by Dorian Yates (1992-1997), whose back and overall conditioning upped the ante yet again until an alien named Ronnie Coleman (1998-2005), in all likelihood the greatest bodybuilder of all time, would redefine the sport bringing a near 300 pound contest ready physique to the stage."
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Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so.
Biased or honest? pick one
Fact is we don't know what would have happened because it didn't, it's all speculation even on Ronnies part. Ever think that Ronnie was just being humble and paying homage to someone he looked up to? Bias has nothing to do with that statement, humility is what you're looking for.
As far as Horton not being biased, he was close friends with Yates for quite a while, shot videos and took tons of pictures of him. Very few people can give an honest unbiased opinion when such a close relationship is established between the two individuals. I think my parents are the greatest in the world, does that mean yours aren't? No, it's just my biased opinion.
Now when you're talking about comparing the two people, sure there's going to be bias between opinions because everyone has a favorite. This debate really isn't a debate, it's just school yard bullshit between fanboys. Both Yates and Coleman were two of the greatest of all time, that's all there is to say really, everything else is just biased opinion ;)
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He said that him against Ronnie,
Ronnie would win, straight from the horses mouth........ once and for all!
Why is Jean Paul Gaultier in Time Out? ???
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Well Ronnie does have better GH, roids and insulin, plus having a gut isn't looked down upon as much, or to win a show, do not need calves, shit I could go on.............
In all honesty, Dorian only had the calves going against Ronnie, you can like Dorian all u want but from knees up, Ronnie is a better bodybuilder!!!
Yip, Yip
"Everybody wants to be a bodybuilder,but nobody wants to do it drug free".
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In all honesty, Dorian only had the calves going against Ronnie, you can like Dorian all u want but from knees up, Ronnie is a better bodybuilder!!!
exactly. but delusional idiots like ND can't understand this simple fact..
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Ms Olympia had bigger & better calves
and kovacs could almost match dorian from the knees up.
you know you have a problem when... :'(