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Anybody have a bad underground lab story to tell? painfull gear,underdosed gear, overdosed gear,miss-labeled products ect ect?????
Here is a what happened to me once I was on cycle and ordered my PCT needs from a old -school original IP-Gear domestic rep. instead of nolvadex the remailer sent me anavar and I used the anavar thinking it was nolva for about a week till I noticed I felt for sure I was not taking nolva. I usually have a spot right below my left knee that gets a tad itchy when I am on cycle. and that flared up so I asked the rep what was up. I was a little suspicious when I got the order because the bag said nolva but the tabs were red and said IP on one sside and had a 15 on the other side. and they were selling 20mg nolva tabs and they were white.
Back then IP was frequently changing doses so I thought at a time they made a 15mg nolva tab because they sent me extra tabs, I thought that was to make u for them not being the 20mg nolva tabs. the bag cleary stated NOLVADEX. Well I found out it was anavar and I was pretty pissed! I will say it was decent var though! but that is not the point I needed my PCT and I got sent anavar. I did get more for my money but not what I needed. The rep refunded my order and let me keep everything. I ordered some nolva in blisters from india after that fiasco.
Pro Bodybuilder Luke wood used a UGL for T3 wich was considerably overdosed and he became sick and died in his mid 30's.
Point of this thread is UGL's are out for $ and some of these UGL's are run by young guys still living at home with mom and dad. be very careful who you order your gear from! This is our health we are laying with. I personally hate UGL's. I would advise everybody to order human grade unless they know the UGL owner personally and know they are for real. Do not get me wrong there are a few real great labs out there but for every one good UGL lab there are 9 shitty ones right behind it.
anybody else have a bad UGL experience or just me?
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The dealers i know love to sell those 10ml urine bottles to kids. And kids buy it.
Here at getbig there was a moron (gh15 pupil) who claimed that steroids sold in legal pharmacies were fake but that 10ml's crap has the real deal. ::)
I have a bad experience with dyamond primo (back in 2006): Two abcesses in my ass that fortunately didn't needed surgery.
Oh, and a cyst/lump in my shoulder with britishdragon slime in 2009. It's still there.
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I've gotten off pretty easily.
The biggest reason is that i use so low doses (when i use) and also that 90% of what i use is pharma grade (and i get it from people that i trust or when i travel, from the pharmacies). I think once my tbol was dbol and once i got albuterol tabs instead of Modafinil, which could have been disasterous, but a friend of mine caught it.
But i do know PLENTY of guys who have gotten the shaft instead of the elevator.
1. Way overdosed clen = ended up in the ER...
2. Unfiltered gear = abcess.
3. Clomid that was flour = did nothing.
4. Gear that was way under dosed = did close to nothing.
5. hgh was actually hcg.
All of the above are just a few of the top of my head and things that gym buddies told me. The thing that makes me feel sorry for their lack of common sense is that ALL of them could of gotten hg but chose ugl since they figured that: "i save about 20-40%" or "i can use that cash and buy more ugl!" But often it doesn't work like that, 3 ml ugl "test300" might cost the same as two amps of hg test250 but there might be a lot less testosterone in there or it might be unfiltered (very common even though it's super easy). Or the owner might be getting poor raws and is thinking that he is doing a good job... + when it comes to stuff like clen and t3 ugl is a big no-no. I mean if your supposed to take 2 tabs of 25 mcg clen but they happen to be 165 mg etc. your going to get serious problems.
Years ago someone posted a list of test's done by Llewellyn and there where A LOT of issues with dosing and purity. I remember one tablet of dianabol had 191 mg of methandienone in the tested sample instead of 20 mg. (Sorry i can't remember the brand name, maybe someone might bother to fish that post up).
PS. Here's what i'm thinking you are INJECTING things INSIDE of your body, don't try to save 30 usd... Then again if you know what you are doing homebrew is ok as is some ugl's, you just have to KNOW what you are doing...
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I've gotten off pretty easily.
The biggest reason is that i use so low doses (when i use) and also that 90% of what i use is pharma grade (and i get it from people that i trust or when i travel, from the pharmacies). I think once my tbol was dbol and once i got albuterol tabs instead of Modafinil, which could have been disasterous, but a friend caught of mine caught it.
But i do know PLENTY of guys who have gotten the shaft instead of the elevator.
1. Way overdosed clen = ended up in the ER...
2. Unfiltered gear = abcess.
3. Clomid that was flour = did nothing.
4. Gear that was way under dosed = did close to nothing.
5. hgh was actually hcg.
All of the above are just a few of the top of my head and things that gym buddies told me. The thing that makes me feel sorry for their lack of common sense is that ALL of them could of gotten hg but chose ugl since they figured that: "i save about 20-40%" or "i can use that cash and buy more ugl!" But often it doesn't work like that, 3 ml ugl "test300" might cost the same as two amps of hg test250 but there might be a lot less testosterone in there or it might be unfiltered (very common even though it's super easy). Or the owner might be getting poor raws and is thinking that he is doing a good job... + when it comes to stuff like clen and t3 ugl is a big no-no. I mean if your supposed to take 2 tabs of 25 mcg clen but they happen to be 165 mg etc. your going to get serious problems.
Years ago someone posted a list of test's done by Llewellyn and there where A LOT of issues with dosing and purity. I remember one tablet of dianabol had 191 mg of methandienone in the tested sample instead of 20 mg. (Sorry i can't remember the brand name, maybe someone might bother to fish that post up).
PS. Here's what i'm thinking you are INJECTING things INSIDE of your body, don't try to save 30 usd... Then again if you know what you are doing homebrew is ok as is some ugl's, you just have to KNOW what you are doing...
Very good post. If you want to run a "REAL" cycle it is best to use REAL PHARMA gear! We do not have to rely on UGL's unless you are scared to order overseas or are cheap! Alpha-pharma has everything needed!
Balkan-pharm is also a for real legal company. Both these comanys make all products(EVERYTHING) neeeded to run any cycle.
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ISIS is a good UGL from Italy and surpasses Alpha Pharma for many products IMO.
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I took tons of pharma HCG and mentioned to someone here that I was doing mad cardio but not wasting away even being on no gear at all. He reminded me that the reason they use it in place of GH is for that exact reason! Blew my mind. I've used lots of Chinese HCG and it pales in comparison to the stuff I was taking from a pharmacy. My fertility doctor had me blasting large amounts and even when my test levels were really low, my composition got better and better despite only focusing on cardio.
Had lots of golf ball and tennis ball sized lumps from UGL gear but probably sterile abscesses. So thankful it never escalated. Makes me much more cautious about what I inject.
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you know whats suspicious about some ugl?
they label their gear with very high mgs per ml.
example 200-300mg eq per ml, is this even possible?
tren 150mg per ml?enanthate ester i mean, iseen up to 250mg per ml claims
300+ test e per ml.
lol yes, hgh being just hcg is the classic ;D
EQ raw is liquid at room temperature. It can be brewed anywhere from 50mg/ml to 600mg/ml fairly easily if your carrier oil is thin enough. Pure ethyl oleate with 2% BA could probably hold 500mg/ml EQ and still have it flow through 25g relatively easily.
test e is a very easy to work with raw. It can be suspended in just BA + oil I believe. Better to just play it safe and use BA/BB+oil to thin it out however.
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my ugl has been good though, but im in canada, it seems most of the fake stuff is local gym rats and international in europe (not so much turkey/etc.. theyre good to go).
Ive been prescribed hg and ug test and saw on difference, in fact the ug felt stronger and less painful. hg test locally called delasteryl STINGS when being injected big time... so i prefer UG..
I did love omnadren i had sooo many ampules two to three years ago that i remember, amazing stuff... lately i get t500 and i only shoot 200mg (so 0.4ml) saves me money... its kinda painful sort of... but ive had worse... t400 from turkey which was oh my God painful..
This ugl i have just brwed test1000... i am having a hard time believing it.. but they claim theyve 'done it' and their chemist did his magic... still even if its legit sounds VERY VERY painful....
Oh and EQ yeah its liquid naturally so u can brew that stuff really high (i wouldnt know but from reading about it)
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Very good post. If you want to run a "REAL" cycle it is best to use REAL PHARMA gear! We do not have to rely on UGL's unless you are scared to order overseas or are cheap! Alpha-pharma has everything needed!
Balkan-pharm is also a for real legal company. Both these comanys make all products(EVERYTHING) neeeded to run any cycle.
did you say balkan is a real HG company?? I and many people wouldnt touch that stuff...and the guy who sells it, is not the most trusted guy around, thats for sure... I have never read anything good coming from balkan...I guess people who don't have any other access, is better than nothing...I'd choose nothing myself!
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did you say balkan is a real HG company?? I and many people wouldnt touch that stuff...and the guy who sells it, is not the most trusted guy around, thats for sure... I have never read anything good coming from balkan...I guess people who don't have any other access, is better than nothing...I'd choose nothing myself!
Yes Balkan-pharm is run by a sleeze ball we all know. But it really is human grade. But human grade from moldova is not going to compare to human grade from the USA. I always have stood by Alpha-Pharma but balkan-pharm is a legit company.
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=236570.0
This is the thread somebody mentioned earlier btw
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Yes Balkan-pharm is run by a sleeze ball we all know. But it really is human grade. But human grade from moldova is not going to compare to human grade from the USA. I always have stood by Alpha-Pharma but balkan-pharm is a legit company.
you said it..moldova is a cesspoll...even if they are HG, I wouldnt even give it to my dog..I have read soooo many posts about people who are un-satisfied about his line...but obviously people still use him...I assume it is attractive to many newbies who don't know any better...I have never tried alpha...is it HG too?? when I see HG, I think of the big guys, like organon, winthrop and the likes..as far as I am concerned, if it ain't any of the big companys, it's UGL..not saying you won't gain anything on UGL,.the last time I had HG (been awhile) I had above average results...there is just so many fakes of the HG, I don't want to take a chance with anyone...I found a great UGL years ago, and have been very satisfied about the results..so I am sticking to them..not trying to steer anyone to an UGL, but once you find one that is good, to me...it's a no-brainer...
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i bought juice from gh15 board
i hope it's not dangerous shit
wes claims its legit tho
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not really a horror story but i got some primo that turned out to be eq and i ran this so called primo at 800 per week, but it turned out to be EQ at around 300/ml which of course is a crazy high dose... anxiety off the fucking hook and horrible mental sides and good bit of depression even. careful what you buy when it comes to more exotic compounds
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not really a horror story but i got some primo that turned out to be eq and i ran this so called primo at 800 per week, but it turned out to be EQ at around 300/ml which of course is a crazy high dose... anxiety off the fucking hook and horrible mental sides and good bit of depression even. careful what you buy when it comes to more exotic compounds
Things like that happen all the time unfortunately! hell I got sent anavar labelled as nolvadex! just be careful guys you can really get sick if you get a misslabled product or overdosed clen or T3/T4. Killed Luke Wood
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Things like that happen all the time unfortunately! hell I got sent anavar labelled as nolvadex! just be careful guys you can really get sick if you get a misslabled product or overdosed clen or T3/T4. Killed Luke Wood
Its not that bad actually. I'm glad it turned out to be EQ , cus now instead of 6 vials of 100/ml primo e ive got 6 vials of 300/ml EQ which is actually something i can run at a decent dose. 1g of primo e for 6 weeks wont do nearly as much as 900 EQ for 18!
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I've had this hobby since 1999. When I started I was only using human grade. This was fine for 2 years, I always had amps and trusted them. Then I was on sust, and not feeling anything. I looked into it and found out there were counterfeit versions going around. Back then my train of thought was who would go through the trouble of making amps and then make fakes, but anything can happen. Lesson learned and from then until todayI have a trusted powder source and I make my own. I know everything is real and the dosing is perfect. There's not a lot to it, but it's easy for people to cut cost when doing it for profit, so just do it yourself, you'll save a lot of money and gain peace of mind.
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Yes Balkan-pharm is run by a sleeze ball we all know. But it really is human grade. But human grade from moldova is not going to compare to human grade from the USA. I always have stood by Alpha-Pharma but balkan-pharm is a legit company.
Didn't Alpha Pharma just get busted in India? What's this going to do to the world's supply of HG?
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Very good post. If you want to run a "REAL" cycle it is best to use REAL PHARMA gear! We do not have to rely on UGL's unless you are scared to order overseas or are cheap! Alpha-pharma has everything needed!
Balkan-pharm is also a for real legal company. Both these comanys make all products(EVERYTHING) neeeded to run any cycle.
well I have to slightly and I mean slightly disagree , because AP doesn't have a tren or a EQ which are both very powerful components to growth ...... we should seriously discuss some quality UGL since we use Hugh amounts of shit that is not HG and never was intended for Hans
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I for one would love to know what brands / ugls are solid now. Particularly orals
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well I have to slightly and I mean slightly disagree , because AP doesn't have a tren or a EQ which are both very powerful components to growth ...... we should seriously discuss some quality UGL since we use Hugh amounts of shit that is not HG and never was intended for Hans
AP has Trenbolone hex(parabolin) and my source also sold trenax if you wanted Tren-A and yes AP has EQ. I have put many people on AP gear but I was getting it straight from the company I don;t know if that makes a diffrence but these guys are winning local shows and getting to pro level many Pros have been using AP gear Male and female.
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I for one would love to know what brands / ugls are solid now. Particularly orals
Hard to find. takes some experimentation and alot of research mainly take word from only older vets but some guys are sleazeballs like B-Boy who gets free gear to promote their shitty UGL and while B-Boy might get good gear from the company they sell everybody else shit. so watch these NPC guys because some of them get free gear just to promote their shit line and also are responsible for referring people to bunk HGH. Takes some trial and talking to honest people. Alot of people think I have something to gain buy promoting alpha-pharma for years but I have seen the 3rd party lab tests dome by the best and they have been spot on and have been broken down very thouroughly and even the powder they use is 98-99%. I even still have that article done by william llwellyn he labels it human grade and he is the best in the game at seperating UGL from Human Grade. Alpha-pharma is a human grade company. Is it easier to get a license in a 3rd wrold country when you have $ of course! but that gear would pass USA FDA standards at least what llwellyn has tested and what I have gotten tested all have met the 10% margin of error.
Most of you know the main guy who was shipping it directly from the mumbai lab got in some shit and now their are fakes and shadey middleman taxing on the products so now I can't really approve a legit seller of AP.
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This is the kind of stuff that has left me, a first-timer with no "sources" or gym-bros, utterly paralyzed. Between UGL bunk, "controlled delivery" euro suppliers, general questions, PIP, etc, I am utterly at a loss. At this point, I feel like I would pay $1000 for 10ml of genuine Cyp.
I am xompletely jealous of folks that have gold supplier that they trust.
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I never had any horror stories, but I went to UGLs back in 2004-05. Some of the UGLs during that period were pure gold.
I did have a friend though who had a similiar situation to Luke Wood. He thought he was taking clenbuterol when in fact it was a mega dose of T3.
He ended up in the hospital for a few days. That was 5 years ago. Recently, about a year ago he had a pacemaker put in :-\
He ordered this stuff from a "reputable source" back in the day. Don't know why he did that because the gym was one big reputable source.
Between UGL bunk, "controlled delivery" euro suppliers, general questions, PIP, etc, I am utterly at a loss. At this point, I feel like I would pay $1000 for 10ml of genuine Cyp.
A few of the Euro companies are really good, majority are major sleezeballs. I don't know wtf is up with all this PIP talk anymore.
India: Alpha and Kalpa do well. People have to remember that India has more FDA inspected APIs than any other country and has the bulk of the new process patents from US companies.
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Anyone remember Finaplex Gold? lol
First few batches 133 mg/ml, got popular, next batches 100, then 33, then when word started to spread the dose turned out only oil.
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Two stories...
1 - Years and Years ago the old source Trenfactor (yeah I can post his name because he quit the game a lonnnggg time ago) was one of the first, if not "THE" first source to send AAS through Customs in huge ass hair tonic and shampoo bottles. Dirt cheap prices too. Was also one of the first to use EO in the mix to help with any PIP pain.... some guys I know ordered some fucking 2 liter bottles of different shit. Test prop was one of them and it was one of the first batches made with the EO. Anyway... the EO was too high and it ate through the rubber seal around the bottle neck and the shit leaked all over the pack. Dudes got their box from the PO in a damn plastic bag labeled Damaged In Transit. I honestly don't know how they didn't get a CD on that shit. Then the masteron was in a shampoo bottle. That obviously had not been washed out too good because they started shaking it up bubbles and foam started forming.
2 - Source named Elephant in Tampa - was in biz years ago for about 3-4 months before fleeing - was making gear cheap as hell. 30ml size bottles, fucking homemade paper labels... I don't mean the Avery labels you get from Office Depot, I mean this dude printed the same 4 lines over and over and over again down the whole page, took scissors and cut it out and then stuck it on the vials with clear tape... ghetto shit. His AAS was legit and some damn good stuff. Water based winstrol 50mg per ml 30ml for $55. 30ml of 250mg Test E for $40.... Anyway, this dude had a "secret list" as well. That he sent out to only a few select people. I never ordered from it, but he had damn near anything on that list in liquid form you can imagine. Vics, Oxy, Valium, Hydros, etc... one thing he had was Xanax. Keep in mind that all this was in liquid form. He was getting the raw powder and doing the Everclear + PEG 600 recipe on it... Anyway the dude fucked up with the calculations on the xanax and was an entire digit off. He was making 2mg per ml and it came out as 20mg per ml. There were about a dozen people in one month that ended up in the ER from doing that shit and ODing on it. Several people here in FL were planning to make a road trip over and beat his ass over that shit. This was back when he took cash in the mail and people had the address where he was picking up funds. Dude closed up shop, packed up and left town.
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Shit, if he is spending $1K for legit test, contact me. I just got two 5ml bottles. ;D
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Two stories...
1 - Years and Years ago the old source Trenfactor (yeah I can post his name because he quit the game a lonnnggg time ago) was one of the first, if not "THE" first source to send AAS through Customs in huge ass hair tonic and shampoo bottles. Dirt cheap prices too. Was also one of the first to use EO in the mix to help with any PIP pain.... some guys I know ordered some fucking 2 liter bottles of different shit. Test prop was one of them and it was one of the first batches made with the EO. Anyway... the EO was too high and it ate through the rubber seal around the bottle neck and the shit leaked all over the pack. Dudes got their box from the PO in a damn plastic bag labeled Damaged In Transit. I honestly don't know how they didn't get a CD on that shit. Then the masteron was in a shampoo bottle. That obviously had not been washed out too good because they started shaking it up bubbles and foam started forming.
2 - Source named Elephant in Tampa - was in biz years ago for about 3-4 months before fleeing - was making gear cheap as hell. 30ml size bottles, fucking homemade paper labels... I don't mean the Avery labels you get from Office Depot, I mean this dude printed the same 4 lines over and over and over again down the whole page, took scissors and cut it out and then stuck it on the vials with clear tape... ghetto shit. His AAS was legit and some damn good stuff. Water based winstrol 50mg per ml 30ml for $55. 30ml of 250mg Test E for $40.... Anyway, this dude had a "secret list" as well. That he sent out to only a few select people. I never ordered from it, but he had damn near anything on that list in liquid form you can imagine. Vics, Oxy, Valium, Hydros, etc... one thing he had was Xanax. Keep in mind that all this was in liquid form. He was getting the raw powder and doing the Everclear + PEG 600 recipe on it... Anyway the dude fucked up with the calculations on the xanax and was an entire digit off. He was making 2mg per ml and it came out as 20mg per ml. There were about a dozen people in one month that ended up in the ER from doing that shit and ODing on it. Several people here in FL were planning to make a road trip over and beat his ass over that shit. This was back when he took cash in the mail and people had the address where he was picking up funds. Dude closed up shop, packed up and left town.
LOL!! Crazy fucking stories!!
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Two stories...
1 - Years and Years ago the old source Trenfactor (yeah I can post his name because he quit the game a lonnnggg time ago) was one of the first, if not "THE" first source to send AAS through Customs in huge ass hair tonic and shampoo bottles. Dirt cheap prices too. Was also one of the first to use EO in the mix to help with any PIP pain.... some guys I know ordered some fucking 2 liter bottles of different shit. Test prop was one of them and it was one of the first batches made with the EO. Anyway... the EO was too high and it ate through the rubber seal around the bottle neck and the shit leaked all over the pack. Dudes got their box from the PO in a damn plastic bag labeled Damaged In Transit. I honestly don't know how they didn't get a CD on that shit. Then the masteron was in a shampoo bottle. That obviously had not been washed out too good because they started shaking it up bubbles and foam started forming.
2 - Source named Elephant in Tampa - was in biz years ago for about 3-4 months before fleeing - was making gear cheap as hell. 30ml size bottles, fucking homemade paper labels... I don't mean the Avery labels you get from Office Depot, I mean this dude printed the same 4 lines over and over and over again down the whole page, took scissors and cut it out and then stuck it on the vials with clear tape... ghetto shit. His AAS was legit and some damn good stuff. Water based winstrol 50mg per ml 30ml for $55. 30ml of 250mg Test E for $40.... Anyway, this dude had a "secret list" as well. That he sent out to only a few select people. I never ordered from it, but he had damn near anything on that list in liquid form you can imagine. Vics, Oxy, Valium, Hydros, etc... one thing he had was Xanax. Keep in mind that all this was in liquid form. He was getting the raw powder and doing the Everclear + PEG 600 recipe on it... Anyway the dude fucked up with the calculations on the xanax and was an entire digit off. He was making 2mg per ml and it came out as 20mg per ml. There were about a dozen people in one month that ended up in the ER from doing that shit and ODing on it. Several people here in FL were planning to make a road trip over and beat his ass over that shit. This was back when he took cash in the mail and people had the address where he was picking up funds. Dude closed up shop, packed up and left town.
20mg of xanax per ml-ouch. I bet some people woke up and didn't know their name or what the fuck happened. This is why I always hated liquid orals. You just can't trust them and they usually taste awful!