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Title: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Pray_4_War on April 21, 2013, 09:15:20 AM
Allegedly they did not kill either one of the bombers with all this ammo they fired at them.  Allegedly it was hundreds of rounds.

Keep in mind that at least one of these two bombers was in a residential neighborhood.  The threat that these two posed to the citizens was exactly the same as the threat to the cops.  Two bombers armed and obviously dangerous.  Cold blooded killers that executed the college security officer by shooting him in the head.  The exact same threat but the cops send every tactical unit in the State of Massachusetts and they fire hundreds of rounds, smoke bombs, gas, etc.  Meanwhile they are telling us that we should only have 7 or 10 round magazines in our weapons.  

They felt the need to come after these two kids with AR15's but they say we shouldn't be able to own those.  Fucking hypocrites.  The cops were leaving the neighborhood.  It was a citizen that found the younger brother hiding. 


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 21, 2013, 09:19:01 AM
Allegedly they did not kill either one of the bombers with all this ammo they fired at them.  Allegedly it was hundreds of rounds.

Keep in mind that at least one of these two bombers was in a residential neighborhood.  The threat that these two posed to the citizens was exactly the same as the threat to the cops.  Two bombers armed and obviously dangerous.  Cold blooded killers that executed the college security officer by shooting him in the head.  The exact same threat but the cops send every tactical unit in the State of Massachusetts and they fire hundreds of rounds, smoke bombs, gas, etc.  Meanwhile they are telling us that we should only have 7 or 10 round magazines in our weapons.  

They felt the need to come after these two kids with AR15's but they say we shouldn't be able to own those.  Fucking hypocrites.  The cops were leaving the neighborhood.  It was a citizen that found the younger brother hiding. 

LOL 

Grab your revolver and be happy! 


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Pray_4_War on April 21, 2013, 09:24:09 AM
Aren't the cops supposed to be the trained experts? 

They show up in tanks dressed like tactical Ninjas.  If they can't kill these two with hundreds of bullets from evil "assault rifles" then how the fuck is the average citizen supposed to be able to take him out with six shots out of a 357 Magnum?


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on April 21, 2013, 10:08:58 AM
kudos to them for not killing a dozen innocent people and 30 or so pets during all of this.  They got lucky, this could have been bad and in some other cities the risk might have been even higher.  Ultimately the way they did this could have put the public at more risk than a kid with a few pipe bombs on the loose.  I shutter to think what the picture will be like if this is the new standard way of tracking down dangerous individuals in America.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: blacken700 on April 21, 2013, 10:18:33 AM
lol the armchair quarterbacking on this site is comical  :D :D :D


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: doison on April 21, 2013, 10:32:28 AM
lol the armchair quarterbacking on this site is comical  :D :D :D

They captured the second suspect alive and didn't kill any innocent civilians in the cross-fire.  They deserve to be praised for that--especially taking the kid alive considering the danger.

However, the amount of money and man-power needed to apprehend a wounded kid (that they had cornered with his brother the night before) in a city on lockdown is fair game for discussion.  I'd lump the hundreds of rounds of spent ammo in this category...


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on April 21, 2013, 10:43:43 AM
They captured the second suspect alive and didn't kill any innocent civilians in the cross-fire.  They deserve to be praised for that--especially taking the kid alive considering the danger.

However, the amount of money and man-power needed to apprehend a wounded kid (that they had cornered with his brother the night before) in a city on lockdown is fair game for discussion.  I'd lump the hundreds of rounds of spent ammo in this category...
I am impressed they didn't kill anyone...  Can you imagine LAPD doing door to door searches of neighborhoods like this without people getting killed?  nope...


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 21, 2013, 10:52:59 AM
Allegedly they did not kill either one of the bombers with all this ammo they fired at them.  Allegedly it was hundreds of rounds.

Keep in mind that at least one of these two bombers was in a residential neighborhood.  The threat that these two posed to the citizens was exactly the same as the threat to the cops.  Two bombers armed and obviously dangerous.  Cold blooded killers that executed the college security officer by shooting him in the head.  The exact same threat but the cops send every tactical unit in the State of Massachusetts and they fire hundreds of rounds, smoke bombs, gas, etc.  Meanwhile they are telling us that we should only have 7 or 10 round magazines in our weapons.  They felt the need to come after these two kids with AR15's but they say we shouldn't be able to own those.  Fucking hypocrites.  The cops were leaving the neighborhood.  It was a citizen that found the younger brother hiding. 

Which cop has told you he gives a flying fu*k how many rounds you have?


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Pray_4_War on April 21, 2013, 10:59:17 AM
You guys belong in the other police thread.  This thread is about gun control. 

The government doesn't want us to have certain guns and more than 10 round magazines.  However, the cops drop an entire battalion of heavily armed "cop-erators" to chase after these guys in a residential neighborhood.  They fire hundreds of shots down range at these guys.  The threat to the cops is exactly the same as it is to the local population.  They bring tanks and M4 Carbines, I'm allowed to have a revolver or a shotgun.  Doesn't that strike you as unfair.  They say we don't "need" those weapons to protect ourselves but they sure as hell bring those weapons to protect themselves.  The threat is the exactly same.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 21, 2013, 11:01:31 AM
You guys belong in the other police thread.  This thread is about gun control. 

The government doesn't want us to have certain guns and more than 10 round magazines.  However, the cops drop an entire battalion of heavily armed "cop-erators" to chase after these guys in a residential neighborhood.  They fire hundreds of shots down range at these guys.  The threat to the cops is exactly the same as it is to the local population.  They bring tanks and M4 Carbines, I'm allowed to have a revolver or a shotgun.  Doesn't that strike you as unfair.  They say we don't "need" those weapons to protect ourselves but they sure as hell bring those weapons to protect themselves.  The threat is the exactly same.

No it isn't exactly the same. You as a citizen aren't charged with the duty of confronting those two.. they were... pretty noticeable difference


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Pray_4_War on April 21, 2013, 11:03:08 AM
Which cop has told you he gives a flying fu*k how many rounds you have?

Semantics.  The cops enforce laws made by the legislative branch.  It's the government. 

Or perhaps the cops in Texas that illegally disarmed and detained a citizen simply for legally carrying the same rifle that the Boston cops all brought with them to get the bombers.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Pray_4_War on April 21, 2013, 11:07:03 AM
No it isn't exactly the same. You as a citizen aren't charged with the duty of confronting those two.. they were... pretty noticeable difference

I am charged with protecting myself, my property, and my loved ones.  These guys were heavily armed murders and one of them was literally in the back yard of a citizen.  What's to stop that douchebag from bum rushing the house and creating a hostage situation. They fucking executed the security officer by shooting him in the head.  The threat is the same.

Remember, the cops were packing up and leaving when a citizen found the 2nd guy.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 21, 2013, 11:23:19 AM
I am charged with protecting myself, my property, and my loved ones.  These guys were heavily armed murders and one of them was literally in the back yard of a citizen.  What's to stop that douchebag from bum rushing the house and creating a hostage situation. They fucking executed the security officer by shooting him in the head.  The threat is the same.

Remember, the cops were packing up and leaving when a citizen found the 2nd guy.

And did the citizen, or the police confront him? Which confronted him?


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Pray_4_War on April 21, 2013, 12:58:51 PM
And did the citizen, or the police confront him? Which confronted him?

Well it's mighty lucky that the dude didn't decide to go in the house and "confront" the citizen.    This could have very easily turned ito a hostage situation.  The bombers did carjack someone did they not?  Like I said the cops were leaving.  They got lucky that the civilian saw him before they cleared out.  This could have been much worse.  No cops, armed suspect, residential neighborhood. 


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tu_holmes on April 21, 2013, 01:01:24 PM
Which cop has told you he gives a flying fu*k how many rounds you have?

NEWTOWN, Conn. – Police Chief Michael Kehoe has a message for the White House: “Ban assault weapons, restrict those magazines that have so many bullets in them, shore up any loopholes in our criminal background checks,” he said in an exclusive interview with NBC News.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: blacken700 on April 21, 2013, 01:07:11 PM
Well it's mighty lucky that the dude didn't decide to go in the house and "confront" the citizen.    This could have very easily turned ito a hostage situation.  The bombers did carjack someone did they not?  Like I said the cops were leaving.  They got lucky that the civilian saw him before they cleared out.  This could have been much worse.  No cops, armed suspect, residential neighborhood. 

they said people could come out where did it say they were leaving   link


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Pray_4_War on April 21, 2013, 01:35:56 PM
they said people could come out where did it say they were leaving   link

You couldn't see with your own two eyes that they were packing it in?  They said in the press conference that they could not keep the whole city on lock down all night.  I saw many of them pulling away.  They weren't sure he was still there and they were shutting down the operation. 

You are arguing points that are irrelevant.  Bottom line, dangerous armed killer loose in a residential neighborhood.  Cops use an armored battalion shooting hundreds of rounds at him.  Meanwhile, trying to limit you to 7 or 10 rounds.   


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: blacken700 on April 21, 2013, 01:40:17 PM
You couldn't see with your own two eyes that they were packing it in?  They said in the press conference that they could not keep the whole city on lock down all night.  I saw many of them pulling away.  They weren't sure he was still there and they were shutting down the operation. 

You are arguing points that are irrelevant.  Bottom line, dangerous armed killer loose in a residential neighborhood.  Cops use an armored battalion shooting hundreds of rounds at him.  Meanwhile, trying to limit you to 7 or 10 rounds.   

we must have been watching different stations,police were coming and going all day.you want hundreds of rounds join the police or army


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Pray_4_War on April 21, 2013, 01:59:05 PM
we must have been watching different stations,police were coming and going all day.you want hundreds of rounds join the police or army

They were clearly packing it in for the night.  They were not sure the suspect was still there.  Regardless, you are just dodging the main point of this thread.  Fine. 

Our society is breaking down and it sure as hell isn't the law abiding gun owners that are the problem.  As such, infringing on our rights isn't the solution.  Things are only going to get worse from here with more of these home grown terrorists.  If the politicians or the cops want my rifles they can come and fucking get them. 


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on April 21, 2013, 02:12:47 PM
They were clearly packing it in for the night.  They were not sure the suspect was still there.  Regardless, you are just dodging the main point of this thread.  Fine. 

Our society is breaking down and it sure as hell isn't the law abiding gun owners that are the problem.  As such, infringing on our rights isn't the solution.  Things are only going to get worse from here with more of these home grown terrorists.  If the politicians or the cops want my rifles they can come and fucking get them. 
In one of the later press conferences they did indicate they were getting ready to make the call ending the "shelter in place" and that was before the call they got he was in a boat.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Pray_4_War on April 21, 2013, 04:44:39 PM
In one of the later press conferences they did indicate they were getting ready to make the call ending the "shelter in place" and that was before the call they got he was in a boat.

Thank you.  I'm glad I'm not the only one who remembers that. 


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: 240 is Back on April 21, 2013, 05:00:55 PM
police are just like anyone else.   There are some awesome ones, there are some shitty ones... and the very very average ones outnumber all of them.


When these 2 jumped out firing like crazy, they all hit the deck and tried to eke out shots while staying protected.  What you have is a bunch of people 3 years out of community college in their first gun battle in pitch black, and an enemy willing to expose himself.   Cops have nightmares about that shit.  I think they performed well - not fcking amazing -but did a satisfactory job.  They didn't shoot any people during the door to doors, as LAPD would have lol


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tonymctones on April 21, 2013, 05:02:35 PM
NEWTOWN, Conn. – Police Chief Michael Kehoe has a message for the White House: “Ban assault weapons, restrict those magazines that have so many bullets in them, shore up any loopholes in our criminal background checks,” he said in an exclusive interview with NBC News.
this is the point of the thread fundy libtards...

if feinstein, obama et al want us to be "assault rifle" less why not the police with who we face the same threats?


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: George Whorewell on April 21, 2013, 05:12:20 PM
I think that charges should be brought against the police officers for using excessive force in the apprehension of the boston bombing suspects.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Notsonicemom on April 21, 2013, 05:15:50 PM
I think that charges should be brought against the police officers for using excessive force in the apprehension of the boston bombing suspects.

oh gawd please tell me your kidding. If I'm not mistaken, they were throwing explosives? then again we'll never know the truth.

In another note, another fuck wit with no gun permit but yes, let's punish us that obey the law and they want to take away our rights. FU govt


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Pray_4_War on April 21, 2013, 05:37:01 PM
I think that charges should be brought against the police officers for using excessive force in the apprehension of the boston bombing suspects.

I disagree with this post but I stongly agree with dat ass in your avatar.  Well done, sir. 

Carry on.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 22, 2013, 03:51:57 AM
this is the point of the thread fundy libtards...

if feinstein, obama et al want us to be "assault rifle" less why not the police with who we face the same threats?

I'm not for restricting magazines, or assault rifles, the horses left that barn years ago. But I still see the blaring difference between what the police need vs the public. The police are duty bound, obligated, expected to confront as part of their job, gun toting criminals on a daily basis. The average citizen is not. The odds are extremely high they will encounter deadly situations, for the average joe, not so much. For the vast majority, I'd say 99.9 percent of the time a hand gun or a shotgun (home defense) is more than adequate for the average joe, for the cop, that percentage drops just by the very nature of the job.     


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tu_holmes on April 22, 2013, 06:08:00 AM
I'm not for restricting magazines, or assault rifles, the horses left that barn years ago. But I still see the blaring difference between what the police need vs the public. The police are duty bound, obligated, expected to confront as part of their job, gun toting criminals on a daily basis. The average citizen is not. The odds are extremely high they will encounter deadly situations, for the average joe, not so much. For the vast majority, I'd say 99.9 percent of the time a hand gun or a shotgun (home defense) is more than adequate for the average joe, for the cop, that percentage drops just by the very nature of the job.     

Bullshit.

The police are NOT bound by anything to protect the public.

Court cases have said so.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 22, 2013, 06:14:46 AM
Bullshit.

The police are NOT bound by anything to protect the public.

Court cases have said so.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia


Don't be silly.. I am aware of that case law and understand why it's there.. my point is still valid. If you are arguing police on a routine basis DON't confront the bad guys, I'd like to hear your evidence.  You and I both know they do

Dude, you're better than that..


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tu_holmes on April 22, 2013, 06:17:26 AM
Don't be silly.. I am aware of that case law and understand why it's there.. my point is still valid. If you are arguing police on a routine basis DON't confront the bad guys, I'd like to hear your evidence.  You and I both know they do

Dude, you're better than that..
I can take you straight to places that if a gun disturbance is reported, the local police will NOT go into the neighborhood.

Period.

You're better than to act like you don't know it happens.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 22, 2013, 06:24:47 AM
I can take you straight to places that if a gun disturbance is reported, the local police will NOT go into the neighborhood.

Period.

You're better than to act like you don't know it happens.

I feel we are heading down a rabbit trail so I'll put us back on point... Citizens need for various weaponry verses police needs for weaponry. You say the same or different? Militarys need for various weaponry vs Citizens, Same or different?


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tu_holmes on April 22, 2013, 06:33:59 AM
I feel we are heading down a rabbit trail so I'll put us back on point... Citizens need for various weaponry verses police needs for weaponry. You say the same or different? Militarys need for various weaponry vs Citizens, Same or different?

I say same in all cases. The point is for the Citizens to be able to take up arms against an oppressive government.



Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 22, 2013, 06:35:31 AM
I say same in all cases. The point is for the Citizens to be able to take up arms against an oppressive government.



an oppressive government has tanks, rocket launchers and nuclear weapons. IT sounds like you advocate joe citizen should have the right to own those..


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 22, 2013, 06:35:54 AM
I say same in all cases. The point is for the Citizens to be able to take up arms against an oppressive government.





Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 22, 2013, 06:36:56 AM
an oppressive government has tanks, rocket launchers and nuclear weapons. IT sounds like you advocate joe citizen should have the right to own those..

LOL - Obama apparently believes in that right?  He is arming syrian rebels to take over their govt, armed libyan rebels to take over their govt, gave money to egyptian rebels to take over their govt, etc. 



Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 22, 2013, 06:37:54 AM
LOL - Obama apparently believes in that right?  He is arming syrian rebels to take over their govt, armed libyan rebels to take over their govt, gave money to egyptian rebels to take over their govt, etc. 



we're not talking Obama at the moment..


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Skip8282 on April 22, 2013, 06:48:08 AM
I'm not for restricting magazines, or assault rifles, the horses left that barn years ago. But I still see the blaring difference between what the police need vs the public. The police are duty bound, obligated, expected to confront as part of their job, gun toting criminals on a daily basis. The average citizen is not. The odds are extremely high they will encounter deadly situations, for the average joe, not so much. For the vast majority, I'd say 99.9 percent of the time a hand gun or a shotgun (home defense) is more than adequate for the average joe, for the cop, that percentage drops just by the very nature of the job.     



Bullshit * 2.  Talk about putting yourself on a pedestal.

In addition to what Tu said about you are not obligated, the average Joe usually runs into the criminal first.

You are reactionary.  To suggest you are in greater danger is utter nonsense.  Far more average Joes getting murdered than cops.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 22, 2013, 06:51:37 AM


Bullshit * 2.  Talk about putting yourself on a pedestal.

In addition to what Tu said about you are not obligated, the average Joe usually runs into the criminal first.

You are reactionary.  To suggest you are in greater danger is utter nonsense.  Far more average Joes getting murdered than cops.

I call bullshit on your bullshit.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tu_holmes on April 22, 2013, 06:51:45 AM
an oppressive government has tanks, rocket launchers and nuclear weapons. IT sounds like you advocate joe citizen should have the right to own those..

I do.

Joe citizen SHOULD be able to.

Why wouldn't he? You trust people in the government more than you trust your neighbor? Oh wait... You are in the government... Of course you want to take the rights of the people away.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 22, 2013, 06:52:33 AM
I do.

Joe citizen SHOULD be able to.

Why wouldn't he? You trust people in the government more than you trust your neighbor? Oh wait... You are in the government... Of course you want to take the rights of the people away.

I'm not the government, I'm common sense


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 22, 2013, 06:53:45 AM
I'm not the government, I'm common sense

LOL - the founders obviously faced overwhelming odds and firepower and had to overthrow the govt.   Didnt stop them.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tu_holmes on April 22, 2013, 06:55:24 AM
I'm not the government, I'm common sense

You're not a government employee? Your entire livelihood is not due to taxes?

WHAT?!?!?!

You volunteer as a police officer for FREE you say?!?!?!

You're saying that me owning a tank is a lack of common sense somehow? Or me owning whatever weaponry YOU can carry is against commonsense?

How so?

You will have to explain why you feel you should be able to do something that I am not. Last I looked we were both human beings and citizens of the same country.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 22, 2013, 06:57:44 AM
You're not a government employee? Your entire livelihood is not due to taxes?

WHAT?!?!?!

You volunteer as a police officer for FREE you say?!?!?!

You're saying that me owning a tank is a lack of common sense somehow? Or me owning whatever weaponry YOU can carry is against commonsense?

How so?

You will have to explain why you feel you should be able to do something that I am not. Last I looked we were both human beings and citizens of the same country.

You and I have different roles. I don't carry around shoulder pads and a football helmet.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tu_holmes on April 22, 2013, 06:58:39 AM
You and I have different roles. I don't carry around shoulder pads and a football helmet.

The defense of ones self against tyranny is not a "job", it's a right granted to me by the constitution. Playing football is not.

Your argument is extremely stupid.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 22, 2013, 07:02:13 AM
The defense of ones self against tyranny is not a "job", it's a right granted to me by the constitution. Playing football is not.

Your argument is extremely stupid.

about as stupid as yours that the average citizen should be as well armed as the average soldier


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 22, 2013, 07:03:06 AM
about as stupid as yours that the average citizen should be as well armed as the average soldier

Average soldier has a side arm and a rifle right? 

Is the average soldier issued a M60, bazooka, c4, etc?


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 22, 2013, 07:05:54 AM
Average soldier has a side arm and a rifle right? 

Is the average soldier issued a M60, bazooka, c4, etc?

flak vest, helmet, automatic weapon ...........if the argument is to hold true, the the average citizen should travel around town and go to work carrying what the average soldier carries since the danger and reasons for being armed are the same.

Tu's argument was actually including nuclear weapons, tanks and rocket launchers..


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 22, 2013, 07:07:30 AM
flak vest, helmet, automatic weapon ...........if the argument is to hold true, the the average citizen should travel around town and go to work carrying what the average soldier carries since the danger and reasons for being armed are the same.

Tu's argument was actually including nuclear weapons, tanks and rocket launchers..

What is wrong w a flak vest and a helmet? 


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tu_holmes on April 22, 2013, 07:07:35 AM
about as stupid as yours that the average citizen should be as well armed as the average soldier

How so?

Mine is constitutionally protected. Yours is a "feeling".

So explain yourself. I have a constitution. You know, the base law of the US... What the fuck do you have?


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tu_holmes on April 22, 2013, 07:08:56 AM
flak vest, helmet, automatic weapon ...........if the argument is to hold true, the the average citizen should travel around town and go to work carrying what the average soldier carries since the danger and reasons for being armed are the same.

Tu's argument was actually including nuclear weapons, tanks and rocket launchers..

No buffoon... They are not the same. I said own... I didn't say walk around with it. The point, yet again, that you are refusing to realize is the ABILITY TO RISE UP AGAINST TYRANNY.

I didn't say you should be able to open carry a god damn rocket launcher, but if shit hits the fan, I should be able to get one out of the garage.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 22, 2013, 07:09:33 AM
How so?

Mine is constitutionally protected. Yours is a "feeling".

So explain yourself. I have a constitution. You know, the base law of the US... What the fuck do you have?

Yeah tu, you are absolutely right.. I was wrong. There is no difference in the average citizen and the average soldier or police officer when it comes to weaponry needs. My bad, I just woke up and wasn't thinking clearly


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 22, 2013, 07:10:52 AM
No buffoon... They are not the same. I said own... I didn't say walk around with it. The point, yet again, that you are refusing to realize is the ABILITY TO RISE UP AGAINST TYRANNY.

I didn't say you should be able to open carry a god damn rocket launcher, but if shit hits the fan, I should be able to get one out of the garage.

Again, I stand corrected. Yes, I agree with you, the average citizen should be able to have and store rocket launchers in their garage in the event the shit hits the fan.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tu_holmes on April 22, 2013, 07:12:22 AM
Yeah tu, you are absolutely right.. I was wrong. There is no difference in the average citizen and the average soldier or police officer when it comes to weaponry needs. My bad, I just woke up and wasn't thinking clearly

Understandable... rub the sleep out of your eyes and drink your morning cup of coffee before posting on getbig.

Again, I stand corrected. Yes, I agree with you, the average citizen should be able to have and store rocket launchers in their garage in the event the shit hits the fan.

While I do see your facetiousness, I don't really give a shit.



Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 22, 2013, 09:35:21 AM
Understandable... rub the sleep out of your eyes and drink your morning cup of coffee before posting on getbig.

While I do see your facetiousness, I don't really give a shit.



makes two of us then  ;)


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tu_holmes on April 22, 2013, 09:35:57 AM
makes two of us then  ;)

I'm not being facetious at all.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: George Whorewell on April 22, 2013, 10:51:59 AM
I disagree with this post but I stongly agree with dat ass in your avatar.  Well done, sir. 

Carry on.

Sorry, the outcry for the cops to be investigated has already begun;

http://nation.foxnews.com/ruth-obrien/2013/04/22/professor-we-used-too-much-force-capturing-boston-bombers
 (http://nation.foxnews.com/ruth-obrien/2013/04/22/professor-we-used-too-much-force-capturing-boston-bombers)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3010656/posts (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3010656/posts)


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: 24KT on April 23, 2013, 01:33:55 AM
kudos to them for not killing a dozen innocent people and 30 or so pets during all of this.  They got lucky, this could have been bad and in some other cities the risk might have been even higher.  Ultimately the way they did this could have put the public at more risk than a kid with a few pipe bombs on the loose.  I shutter to think what the picture will be like if this is the new standard way of tracking down dangerous individuals in America.

QFT

They captured the second suspect alive and didn't kill any innocent civilians in the cross-fire.  They deserve to be praised for that--especially taking the kid alive considering the danger.

WTF?!?!  ???

Why should they be praised for that? That's what they're supposed to do!!!... apprehend the suspect alive, and NOT kill any innocent civilians in the process. Why should they be praised for not killing anyone? Sheesh! Reminds me of a Chris Rock skit about deadbeat Dads. Guys want to be praised for taking care of their kids... WTF... that's what you're supposed to do!  >:(

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However, the amount of money and man-power needed to apprehend a wounded kid (that they had cornered with his brother the night before) in a city on lockdown is fair game for discussion.  I'd lump the hundreds of rounds of spent ammo in this category...

Hey, ...considering how many billions of bullets at their disposal, ...it's not like they're gonna run out of ammo anytime soon.  :D


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: 24KT on April 23, 2013, 01:37:29 AM
I say same in all cases. The point is for the Citizens to be able to take up arms against an oppressive government.


QFT!!!


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: 24KT on April 23, 2013, 01:40:59 AM
LOL - Obama apparently believes in that right?  He is arming syrian rebels to take over their govt, armed libyan rebels to take over their govt, gave money to egyptian rebels to take over their govt, etc. 



 ;D

Everyone once in a while, between your bouts of mental insanity, you do display brief moments of lucidity.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: 24KT on April 23, 2013, 01:51:08 AM
I'm not the government, I'm common sense

You're not common sense. You're just a cog in the machine, ...and when you get too worn, and have outlived your usefulness, you will be replaced, melted down and shipped off to China along with all the other scrap metal. Not trying to be disrespectful, ...just calling it like I see it.

Once all the combat vets are disarmed, ...next will be the cops, ...before they discover that powers that be are coming after their bank accounts and pensions.

ps: There are certain neighbourhoods I wouldn't want to drive through unless I was in a tank.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Psychopath on April 23, 2013, 01:52:34 AM
Just think of how Russia would've handled a situation like this.

Merica. Spoiled. Rotten.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: 24KT on April 23, 2013, 04:37:07 AM
The defense of ones self against tyranny is not a "job", it's a right granted to me by the constitution. Playing football is not.

Your argument is extremely stupid.

ARRGGHHHH!   >:(

The right to defend yourself is not granted by the constitution. It is an unalienable right granted by your creator.
The constitution stipulates what the gov't cannot do.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 23, 2013, 05:22:00 AM
You're not common sense. You're just a cog in the machine, ...and when you get too worn, and have outlived your usefulness, you will be replaced, melted down and shipped off to China along with all the other scrap metal. Not trying to be disrespectful, ...just calling it like I see it.

Once all the combat vets are disarmed, ...next will be the cops, ...before they discover that powers that be are coming after their bank accounts and pensions.

ps: There are certain neighbourhoods I wouldn't want to drive through unless I was in a tank.

If only you had any credibility.....might make reading the entire post worthwhile... ;)


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 23, 2013, 05:23:04 AM
ARRGGHHHH!   >:(

The right to defend yourself is not granted by the constitution. It is an unalienable right granted by your creator.
The constitution stipulates what the gov't cannot do.

Prove this "creator" exists snake oil salesperson


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Jack T. Cross on April 23, 2013, 08:43:48 AM
ARRGGHHHH!   >:(

The right to defend yourself is not granted by the constitution. It is an unalienable right granted by your creator.
The constitution stipulates what the gov't cannot do.

I see what you've been doing with this, and you're absolutely right.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 23, 2013, 10:25:53 AM
Allegedly they did not kill either one of the bombers with all this ammo they fired at them.  Allegedly it was hundreds of rounds.

Keep in mind that at least one of these two bombers was in a residential neighborhood.  The threat that these two posed to the citizens was exactly the same as the threat to the cops.  Two bombers armed and obviously dangerous.  Cold blooded killers that executed the college security officer by shooting him in the head.  The exact same threat but the cops send every tactical unit in the State of Massachusetts and they fire hundreds of rounds, smoke bombs, gas, etc.  Meanwhile they are telling us that we should only have 7 or 10 round magazines in our weapons.  

They felt the need to come after these two kids with AR15's but they say we shouldn't be able to own those.  Fucking hypocrites.  The cops were leaving the neighborhood.  It was a citizen that found the younger brother hiding. 


They resisted arrest......they earned every piece of lead and gunpowder that was coming to them....it would have been better to turn themselves in peacefully.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tonymctones on April 23, 2013, 04:13:12 PM

They resisted arrest......they earned every piece of lead and gunpowder that was coming to them....it would have been better to turn themselves in peacefully.
youre missing the point airsoft...

why should the police have "assault rifles" and citizens not? especially when we face the same threats?


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 23, 2013, 04:35:27 PM
youre missing the point airsoft...

why should the police have "assault rifles" and citizens not? especially when we face the same threats?

In the last month, how many robberies have you drove to trying to catch the robber? How many burglaries have you responded to trying to catch the burglar? Let's compare and see if we really face the same threats


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: blacken700 on April 23, 2013, 04:43:18 PM
i think everybody should have an Apache helicopter on their roof and an m1 tank in their garage,if the military can have it so should the citizens    brahahhahahaha


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 23, 2013, 04:50:42 PM
Interesting poll from fox news

"Virtually all voters -- 91 percent -- approve of law enforcement’s handling of the Boston bombings"

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/23/fox-news-poll-after-boston-most-approve-government-on-terrorism/#ixzz2RKyx66pW


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Skip8282 on April 23, 2013, 04:54:29 PM
In the last month, how many robberies have you drove to trying to catch the robber? How many burglaries have you responded to trying to catch the burglar? Let's compare and see if we really face the same threats



Compare apples to apples.  The person being robbed and burglarized is facing the same threat as you.  Probably greater as they would be more hesitant (in general) to harm a cop.



Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 23, 2013, 04:59:40 PM


Compare apples to apples.  The person being robbed and burglarized is facing the same threat as you.  Probably greater as they would be more hesitant (in general) to harm a cop.



apples to apples, the police, by the very nature of their job faces greater threats than the average joe. I still can't believe I'm even having to argue this  ::)


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Skip8282 on April 23, 2013, 05:03:10 PM
apples to apples, the police, by the very nature of their job faces greater threats than the average joe. I still can't believe I'm even having to argue this  ::)



Because you're still going full retard.  Never go full retard.

The person being robbed faces the same threat as you.  If you're merely trying to say that you face the threat more often than most people....well, duh.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: blacken700 on April 23, 2013, 05:04:15 PM
we have some great spellers and grammar kings here,but common sense is not a strong suit on getbig


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 23, 2013, 05:04:17 PM


Because you're still going full retard.  Never go full retard.

The person being robbed faces the same threat as you.  If you're merely trying to say that you face the threat more often than most people....well, duh.

Now that was funny ..I'll give ya that!


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tonymctones on April 23, 2013, 05:14:01 PM
Now that was funny ..I'll give ya that!
and truthful...

the police may face the threat more often but that doesnt mean those ppl in boston didnt face the same threat at that time.

Ive seen more than one person shot or stabbed. My brother lived with some friends that got killed in a home invasion while their kids were asleep in their rooms, luckily he wasnt home at the time.

Dont sit there and act like civilians dont face the same threats even worse, police generally know what they are going into while civilians are the ones who get suprised.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tu_holmes on April 23, 2013, 05:40:23 PM
and truthful...

the police may face the threat more often but that doesnt mean those ppl in boston didnt face the same threat at that time.

Ive seen more than one person shot or stabbed. My brother lived with some friends that got killed in a home invasion while their kids were asleep in their rooms, luckily he wasnt home at the time.

Dont sit there and act like civilians dont face the same threats even worse, police generally know what they are going into while civilians are the ones who get suprised.

Wait, you didn't know that the Police are the only people who should be armed?

How about when you aren't on duty? Do you carry your gun? Why is that Agnostic?


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Skip8282 on April 23, 2013, 06:16:04 PM
Wait, you didn't know that the Police are the only people who should be armed?

How about when you aren't on duty? Do you carry your gun? Why is that Agnostic?



I can tell you my brother usually doesn't except when he's in the city limits and then he's required to (I think it's the city limits, but don't quote me on that).


I think that one probably varies with the cop.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tu_holmes on April 23, 2013, 06:17:37 PM


I can tell you my brother usually doesn't except when he's in the city limits and then he's required to (I think it's the city limits, but don't quote me on that).


I think that one probably varies with the cop.

I don't know too many cops who do not carry off duty. In Virginia it's part of the perk of the badge. It gives them the ability to carry concealed throughout the entire state while off-duty.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 24, 2013, 06:46:46 AM
My argument isn't that citizens shouldn't be allowed to be armed. In fact, sane, law abiding citizens who receive training should be able to carry a firearm. In almost every case the threat to the average citizen can be addressed with automatic pistol or shotgun. rarely will the average citizen need to take a long range shot, or have the need to be able to penetrate body armor. The weaponry of the police and the weaponry of the average joe does not need to be equal as they are different ..


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tu_holmes on April 24, 2013, 09:54:18 AM
My argument isn't that citizens shouldn't be allowed to be armed. In fact, sane, law abiding citizens who receive training should be able to carry a firearm. In almost every case the threat to the average citizen can be addressed with automatic pistol or shotgun. rarely will the average citizen need to take a long range shot, or have the need to be able to penetrate body armor. The weaponry of the police and the weaponry of the average joe does not need to be equal as they are different ..

Why? You do realize what the 2nd amendment is for, right?


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 24, 2013, 09:55:34 AM
Why? You do realize what the 2nd amendment is for, right?

For hunting ducks? 


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 24, 2013, 12:17:06 PM
Boston Bombing Suspects, Tzarnaev Brothers, Had One Gun During Shootout With Police: Officials


By ALICIA A. CALDWELL and ADAM GOLDMAN 04/24/13 01:05 PM ET EDT


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/24/officials-boston-bombing-suspects-one-gun_n_3148609.html


WASHINGTON -- Two U.S. officials say investigators in the Boston bombings have recovered only one handgun believed to have been used in a gun battle with police.

One official said the serial number on what they described as a 9 mm pistol was scratched off. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss details of the investigation still in progress.

Tamerlan Tzarnaev (TA'-mehr-luhn tsahr-NEYE'-ehv) died in a shootout with police. His brother, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (joh-KHAHR'), was later caught hiding in a boat.

Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis says over 250 rounds were fired in the shootout. Police said the men also used explosives. Davis said shots were fired from the boat where Tsarnaev was found. It wasn't clear whether he was armed when he was captured.








LOL!!!  Total FAIL 


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 24, 2013, 12:35:11 PM
Boston Bombing Suspects, Tzarnaev Brothers, Had One Gun During Shootout With Police: Officials


By ALICIA A. CALDWELL and ADAM GOLDMAN 04/24/13 01:05 PM ET EDT


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/24/officials-boston-bombing-suspects-one-gun_n_3148609.html


WASHINGTON -- Two U.S. officials say investigators in the Boston bombings have recovered only one handgun believed to have been used in a gun battle with police.

One official said the serial number on what they described as a 9 mm pistol was scratched off. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss details of the investigation still in progress.

Tamerlan Tzarnaev (TA'-mehr-luhn tsahr-NEYE'-ehv) died in a shootout with police. His brother, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (joh-KHAHR'), was later caught hiding in a boat.

Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis says over 250 rounds were fired in the shootout. Police said the men also used explosives. Davis said shots were fired from the boat where Tsarnaev was found. It wasn't clear whether he was armed when he was captured.








LOL!!!  Total FAIL 

What is a total fail 333?


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 24, 2013, 12:43:38 PM
What is a total fail 333?

Shutting down an entire city for one douchebag w one gun and sending in a small army?  GMAFB


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: blacken700 on April 24, 2013, 12:48:05 PM
Shutting down an entire city for one douchebag w one gun and sending in a small army?  GMAFB

again follow along, at the time they didn't know what they had,for all they knew they still had bombs,but again lets not let facts get in the way


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 24, 2013, 01:04:58 PM
again follow along, at the time they didn't know what they had,for all they knew they still had bombs,but again lets not let facts get in the way

Yes they did.  after the shootout w the two and the one dead on the street - they knew this was not some terrorist stike team.

The cops look like complete asses and if it was not for the boat owner smoking a cig after the lock down was lifted - they would never have found this guy intil he bled out dead in the boat. 

Hhhhoorraayyyyyy police state.   


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: blacken700 on April 24, 2013, 01:10:58 PM
Yes they did.  after the shootout w the two and the one dead on the street - they knew this was not some terrorist stike team.

The cops look like complete asses and if it was not for the boat owner smoking a cig after the lock down was lifted - they would never have found this guy intil he bled out dead in the boat.  

Hhhhoorraayyyyyy police state.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFr3UPqzYH8
 :D :D :D :D


post a link,your word really isn't that great here


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Skip8282 on April 24, 2013, 04:58:38 PM
For hunting ducks? 



with muskets...




Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 24, 2013, 05:21:37 PM
Officials: Boston suspect had no firearm when barrage of bullets hit hiding place
By Sari Horwitz and Peter Finn, Updated: Wednesday, April 24, 7:08 PM


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/officials-boston-suspect-had-no-firearm-when-barrage-of-bullets-hit-hiding-place/2013/04/24/376fc8a0-ad18-11e2-a8b9-2a63d75b5459_print.html



Although police feared he was heavily armed, the suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings had no firearms when he came under a barrage of police gunfire that struck the boat where he was hiding, according to multiple federal law enforcement officials.

Authorities said they were desperate to capture Dzhokhar Tsarnaev so he could be questioned. The FBI, however, declined to discuss what triggered the gunfire.

Other law enforcement officials said the shooting may have been prompted by the chaos of the moment and some action that led the officers present to believe Tsarnaev had fired a weapon or was about to detonate explosives.

These new details emerged as investigators continued their examination of the movements and motives of Tsarnaev, 19, and his brother, Tamerlan, in last week’s coordinated bombing, which killed three people and wounded more than 250.

Law enforcement officials said they do not believe the brothers were connected with a terrorist organization, but they cautioned that the inquiry is at an early stage.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, was killed in a confrontation with police in the early morning hours Friday, four days after the marathon bombings. A transit police officer was seriously wounded in the exchange, in which more than 200 rounds were fired and the suspects lobbed homemade explosives at police. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev escaped and was the subject of a massive manhunt. He was cornered hiding in a boat in the driveway of a house in Watertown, Mass., on Friday evening.

Law enforcement officials described the 30 minutes before the arrest of Tsarnaev as chaotic. One characterized it as “the fog of war” and said that in a highly charged atmosphere, one accidental shot could have caused what police call “contagious fire.”

Officers from several agencies gathered around the Watertown house as darkness fell. The FBI was in charge of the scene, but there also were officers from the Massachusetts State Police, local police and transit police.

“They probably didn’t know whether he had a gun,” said one law enforcement official, who like others interviewed for this article spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. “Hours earlier he and his brother had killed a police officer, shot another officer and thrown explosives out of their cars as the police were chasing them. They couldn’t assume that he did not have a gun and more explosives.”

The FBI declined to discuss the exact sequence of events that led officers to open fire on Tsarnaev’s hiding place and whether the dozens of bullets that struck the boat caused any of his gunshot wounds.

A spokesman for the FBI said law enforcement agents were tracking an extremely dangerous suspect who had used guns and explosives on a public street to avoid arrest.

“Law enforcement was placed in an extraordinarily dangerous situation,” said FBI spokesman Paul Bresson. “They were dealing with an individual who is alleged to have been involved in the bombings at the Boston Marathon. As if that’s not enough, there were indications of a carjacking, gunfire, an ambushed police officer and bombs thrown earlier. In spite of these extraordinary factors, they were able to capture this individual alive with no further harm to law enforcement. It was a tremendously effective outcome under dire circumstances.”

 Early Friday in Watertown, the brothers engaged in a firefight with police. Tamerlan Tsarnaev was shot and fell to the ground, according to police and photos, and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev climbed back in a Mercedes SUV carjacked earlier. He drove at police and struck his wounded brother on the street. Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who was dragged a distance by the car, was declared dead on arrival at a Boston hospital.

A criminal complaint filed in federal court in Massachusetts on Monday to support charges against Dzhokhar Tsarnaev said police recovered a single firearm and half a dozen explosives and homemade bombs from the scene of the shootout.

In the ensuing chaos, Tsarnaev accelerated away, abandoned the car and eventually made it on foot just beyond a cordon quickly set up by police. Around 6 p.m. Friday, Tsarnaev was detected hiding beneath a plastic cover on a boat by its owner, who called in police. A thermal imaging unit in a police helicopter confirmed a presence in the boat.

“You can’t second-guess what they were doing on that scene,” said a second law enforcement official. “Their own lives were in danger.”

In the immediate aftermath of Tsarnaev’s capture, police officials said he had fired from the boat and he was reported to have been captured with several weapons. There were also reports that the gunshot wound he suffered to the throat might have been an attempt to kill himself as police moved in.

Tsarnaev continues to be treated in a Boston hospital, where his condition has been upgraded from critical to fair. He began communicating in writing and some speech with a special team of FBI interrogators Saturday night and was officially charged Monday.

On Wednesday, Vice President Biden eulogized Sean Collier, the slain MIT police officer, and denounced Tsarnaev and his dead brother as “two twisted, perverted, cowardly knock-off jihadis.”

Thousands of MIT students and police officers from across the United States attended a memorial service on the grounds of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology to remember the 27-year-old police officer.



Jenna Johnson in Boston and David Montgomery and Julie Tate in Washington contributed to this report.


© The Washington Post Company


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 25, 2013, 05:06:18 AM
Now officials claim Boston bombing suspect was NOT armed in boat showdown - despite police account of firefight and him 'shooting himself'

 Officials now claim that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was unarmed as he hid in boat in Watertown
 Contradicts Boston Police Commissioner's account of hour-long firefight with Tsarnaev

 New York Times said M4 rifle had been found on boat

Police sources suggested Tsarnaev shot himself onboard

 
By Associated Press and Daily Mail Reporter
 
PUBLISHED:20:53 EST, 24 April 2013| UPDATED: 03:23 EST, 25 April 2013
 
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Two unnamed U.S. officials have told the Associated Press that the surviving suspect in the Boston bombings was unarmed when police captured him hiding inside a boat in a neighborhood back yard.
 
The report contradicts the Boston police department's own account of Dzhokar Tsarnaev's capture on Friday - after commissioner Ed Davies described a firefight between him and officers before the terror suspect was captured.


The New York Times also said an M4 rifle had been found on the boat - another claim contradicted by the latest revelations.

 
Officers had originally said they had exchanged gunfire with Tsarnaev for more than one hour Friday evening before they were able to subdue him.
 
But on Wednesday, the law enforcement officials told the AP that no gun was found aboard the vessel.
 
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Hidden: Authorities say that Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was not armed as he hid in this boat in a Watertown, Massachusetts backyard

 


Hideout: Dzhokhar was found hiding in this boat in Watertown on Friday following a massive manhunt


Apprehended: Dzhokhar is searched and given medical attention after he is found hiding on Friday evening
 
It also contradicts many media accounts of Tsarnaev's final moments of freedom.


The New York Timesreported that an M-4 carbine rifle - similar to the weapon used by American troops fighting in Afghanistan - was found aboard the boat and that officials had recovered two handguns and a bb gun used by the two brothers.
 
The throat wound sustained by Tsaernev was also said by numerous law enforcement sources to be self inflicted.

Sources told Newsday that Tsarnaev's bullet wound looked to be self-inflicted, due to the location of Tsarnaev's wound and the trajectory of the bullet.
 
 

And Reuters reported that the suspect was shot through the mouth by a round that exited through his neck.


Dozens of bullet holes were seen on the exterior of the boat in photos taken shortly after the final standoff in the Watertown backyard.
 
The officials told the AP that say investigators only recovered a 9 mm handgun believed to have been used by Tsarnaev's brother, Tamerlan, from the site of a gun battle Thursday night, which injured a Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority officer.
 





Thermal imaging shows Dzhokhar's final moments before arrest
 






Trawl: On Monday, a police forensics team examined the boat where Dzhokhar was found hiding
 



Scene: He was found cowering in the boat after its owner realized its straps had moved on Friday evening
 
Dzhokhar was believed to have been shot before he escaped.
 
The officials tell The Associated Press that no gun was found in the boat.
 
Investigators have said the brothers appeared to have been radicalized through jihadist materials on the Internet and have found no evidence tying them to a terrorist group.
 
Dzhokhar told the FBI that they were angry about the U.S. wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and the killing of Muslims there, officials said.
 
How much of those conversations will end up in court is unclear.



Rip: An FBI officer stands in front of the boat where Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the surviving suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings, was hiding inside
 
The FBI normally tells suspects they have the right to remain silent before questioning them so all their statements can be used against them.
 
Under pressure from Congress, however, the Department of Justice has said investigators may wait until they have gathered intelligence about other threats before reading those rights in terrorism cases.
 
The American Civil Liberties Union has expressed concern about that.
 
Regardless, investigators have found pieces of remote-control equipment among the debris and were analyzing them, officials said.


One official described the detonator as 'close-controlled,' meaning it had to be triggered within several blocks of the bombs.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2314448/Now-officials-claim-Boston-bombing-suspect-NOT-armed-boat-showdown--despite-police-account-firefight-shooting-himself.html#ixzz2RToolYox


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Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: 240 is Back on April 25, 2013, 07:07:36 AM
this story just gets fckin better and better, doesn't it?   lol


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 25, 2013, 07:10:19 AM
this story just gets fckin better and better, doesn't it?   lol

Yup.  Imagine if the cops faced armed terrorists for real?  Geeezzzz


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: 24KT on April 25, 2013, 08:37:07 AM
apples to apples, the police, by the very nature of their job faces greater threats than the average joe. I still can't believe I'm even having to argue this  ::)

The 2nd amendment isn't there so people can protect themselves from the local crackhead who may want to do a B&E, although it helps, ...it's there so people can protect themselves and their Republic from some would be dictator or invading army (whether foreign or domestic). The people should have the right to match whatever force or firepower may exist in the hands of the very armies that more than likely will be employed to oppress them and destroy their Republic.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 25, 2013, 09:09:37 AM
The 2nd amendment isn't there so people can protect themselves from the local crackhead who may want to do a B&E, although it helps, ...it's there so people can protect themselves and their Republic from some would be dictator or invading army (whether foreign or domestic). The people should have the right to match whatever force or firepower may exist in the hands of the very armies that more than likely will be employed to oppress them and destroy their Republic.

Your logic implies every Tom Dick and Harry should be able to own tanks, rocket launchers, land mines, fighter jets and m 50 cal machine guns. Thats about as logical as buying gold implanted on a credit card.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tu_holmes on April 25, 2013, 09:43:53 AM
Your logic implies every Tom Dick and Harry should be able to own tanks, rocket launchers, land mines, fighter jets and m 50 cal machine guns. Thats about as logical as buying gold implanted on a credit card.

You think the people who drive tanks, have rocket launchers, and fly jets are more trustworthy than I am?

HAH!


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 25, 2013, 09:54:08 AM
This entire episode provided so much intel for potential terrorists of what they can get away with.  An entire city shut down, a batallion of cops dressed like Spec Ops -

All kept at bay by two welfare thugs w a pistol.   SMFH 


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: headhuntersix on April 25, 2013, 10:10:42 AM
Why bother actually buying weapons and explosives. Just figure a way to scare authorities and then shut shit down. I think this sets a bad example.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 25, 2013, 12:44:32 PM
This entire episode provided so much intel for potential terrorists of what they can get away with.  An entire city shut down, a batallion of cops dressed like Spec Ops -

All kept at bay by two welfare thugs w a pistol.   SMFH 

Notice how you minimize the suspects... does that bother you at all? 


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 25, 2013, 12:45:37 PM
Notice how you minimize the suspects... does that bother you at all? 

No - im being accurate about these two shit heads  - who the FBI knew about two years ago.  Dumb and dumber did not even have an escape plan. 


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 25, 2013, 05:51:20 PM
No - im being accurate about these two shit heads  - who the FBI knew about two years ago.  Dumb and dumber did not even have an escape plan. 

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. So all they had was one handgun? Did they shoot the spectators?


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 25, 2013, 05:53:50 PM
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. So all they had was one handgun? Did they shoot the spectators?

No - and the cops look like complete jack asses in this 


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 25, 2013, 05:55:25 PM
No - and the cops look like complete jack asses in this 

91 percent of the voters approve how the cops handled it. It's cool to disagree, just know you are as I have said all along, a small, small minority


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tonymctones on April 25, 2013, 05:56:18 PM
My argument isn't that citizens shouldn't be allowed to be armed. In fact, sane, law abiding citizens who receive training should be able to carry a firearm. In almost every case the threat to the average citizen can be addressed with automatic pistol or shotgun. rarely will the average citizen need to take a long range shot, or have the need to be able to penetrate body armor. The weaponry of the police and the weaponry of the average joe does not need to be equal as they are different ..
the ppl in LA from the riots probably disagree, its cops like you that reaffirm the need for citizens to be as well armed as you are ::)


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 25, 2013, 05:57:19 PM
the ppl in LA from the riots probably disagree, its cops like you that reaffirm the need for citizens to be as well armed as you are ::)

cops like me? How so?


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 25, 2013, 05:58:30 PM
91 percent of the voters approve how the cops handled it. It's cool to disagree, just know you are as I have said all along, a small, small minority

Whatever - i could care less - a batallion of overpaid idiots w toys and a homeowner smoking a cig in his back yrd saves the pigs - whatever

Nothing new  


Taxpayer as alwayer getting hosed for utter waste of money on overpaid idiots  who could not fight themselves out of paperbag if their lives depended on it.  More taxpayer money down the rat hole - welfare for white people  is what most police jobs are


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tonymctones on April 25, 2013, 06:02:45 PM
cops like me? How so?
that feel police should be able to out power the constituents that they serve


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Skip8282 on April 25, 2013, 06:08:30 PM
Whatever - i could care less - a batallion of overpaid idiots w toys and a homeowner smoking a cig in his back yrd saves the pigs - whatever

Nothing new   


Taxpayer as alwayer getting hosed for utter waste of money on overpaid idiots  who could not fight themselves out of paperbag if their lives depended on it.  More taxpayer money down the rat hole - welfare for white people  is what most police jobs are



I think the taxpayers are complicit in this...happily giving up their rights in the name of 'security'.   I wouldn't say the cops look really bad, it's just extremely concerning when people give up their liberty to this degree.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tu_holmes on April 25, 2013, 06:57:13 PM
91 percent of the voters approve how the cops handled it. It's cool to disagree, just know you are as I have said all along, a small, small minority

That's because the majority of people are sheep.

Hope this helps.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: 240 is Back on April 26, 2013, 04:23:48 AM
91 percent of the voters approve how the cops handled it. It's cool to disagree, just know you are as I have said all along, a small, small minority

but they had incomplete info.

We were all told that the 2 bag guys had assault rifles and were opening up on cops.

Turns out they had ONE gun... the one they stole from the MIT cop, right?

The barrage of hundreds of bullets we heard on that tape was ALL from the cops... with maybe 10 of the bullets coming from the bad guys, potentially?

I'm not saying they didn't deserve it, but would it be 91% approval if people knew how the gun battle really went down?


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 26, 2013, 05:23:35 AM
but they had incomplete info.

We were all told that the 2 bag guys had assault rifles and were opening up on cops.

Turns out they had ONE gun... the one they stole from the MIT cop, right?

The barrage of hundreds of bullets we heard on that tape was ALL from the cops... with maybe 10 of the bullets coming from the bad guys, potentially?

I'm not saying they didn't deserve it, but would it be 91% approval if people knew how the gun battle really went down?




jesus... so in your mind it makes perfect logical sense that they SHOT the MIT officer in order to take his gun... Did any part of your brain raise a red flag on that sentence?


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: 240 is Back on April 26, 2013, 05:56:24 AM
jesus... so in your mind it makes perfect logical sense that they SHOT the MIT officer in order to take his gun... Did any part of your brain raise a red flag on that sentence?

did they take the gun from him, and shoot him with his own gun?

I sitll don't know the details.  I know the dude was a highly skilled fighter.  I dont know why they'd only have ONE gun against the cops if they killed tihs cop for his gun.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 26, 2013, 06:55:20 AM
did they take the gun from him, and shoot him with his own gun?

I sitll don't know the details.  I know the dude was a highly skilled fighter.  I dont know why they'd only have ONE gun against the cops if they killed tihs cop for his gun.

Not knowing the details hasn't keep people from concluding a lot of things.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 26, 2013, 06:58:47 AM
Not knowing the details hasn't keep people from concluding a lot of things.

They knew AT THE SCENE there was only one person on the run and knew he was not carrying heavy arms. 



Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 26, 2013, 07:04:16 AM
Oh hell. I opened the door for that spam  ::)


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: 24KT on April 26, 2013, 07:14:36 AM
Oh hell. I opened the door for that spam  ::)

It's not spam it's correcting your untruths, but don't worry, I've said all I had to as far as that goes...

back on topic

My argument isn't that citizens shouldn't be allowed to be armed. In fact, sane, law abiding citizens who receive training should be able to carry a firearm. In almost every case the threat to the average citizen can be addressed with automatic pistol or shotgun. rarely will the average citizen need to take a long range shot, or have the need to be able to penetrate body armor. The weaponry of the police and the weaponry of the average joe does not need to be equal as they are different ..

It's not about how "rarely" the average citizen is called upon to make a long range shot or pierce body armour. It is about the average person being able to make a long range shot, or pierce body armour if they find themselves in just such a situation.

Very rarely does one's house burn to the ground, but we still carry fire insurance don't we.

The 2nd amendment is dictatorship insurance.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 26, 2013, 07:16:28 AM
It's not spam it's correcting your untruths, but don't worry, I've said all I had to as far as that goes...

back on topic

It's not about how "rarely" the average citizen is called upon to make a long range shot or pierce body armour. It is about the average person being able to make a long range shot, or pierce body armour if they find themselves in just such a situation.

Very rarely does one's house burn to the ground, but we still carry fire insurance don't we.

The 2nd amendment is dictatorship insurance.

Those who are the enforcers of the Statist agenda rarely see the true role they play in all of this. 


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 26, 2013, 07:24:07 AM
Those who are the enforcers of the Statist agenda rarely see the true role they play in all of this. 

the same could be said for the CT'ers who cry CT at every opportunity. They (you) play into the hands of those who would conspire...but you don't see your role in this ..


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: OzmO on April 26, 2013, 07:25:10 AM
the same could be said for the CT'ers who cry CT at every opportunity. They (you) play into the hands of those who would conspire...but you don't see your role in this ..
;D


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: 24KT on April 26, 2013, 08:00:13 AM
the same could be said for the CT'ers who cry CT at every opportunity. They (you) play into the hands of those who would conspire...but you don't see your role in this ..

Whether someone cries Conspiracy Theory at every moment or not doesn't change the framers intended purpose for the 2nd Amendment. It's a form of insurance. And when any entity comes to take the guns away is the time a free Republic needs them the most.

The irony is, if China were to invade the USA tomorrow, you and just about authorities would want every single man, woman, and child armed to the titties in defense of the land.

I get why you want less guns on the street. I totally get why you're opposed to the average person having a sniper rifle or armour piercing bullets, ...but infringing on the people's right to own and bear arms in defense of their Republic is unconstitutional.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: 24KT on April 26, 2013, 08:02:08 AM
;D

And how are you this morning Ozzybooboo? Looking forward to your weekend?


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 26, 2013, 08:04:49 AM
the same could be said for the CT'ers who cry CT at every opportunity. They (you) play into the hands of those who would conspire...but you don't see your role in this ..

Im not claiming a CT - im arguing that people like yourself always desire more power the greater you fail at your job and claim lack of power over the ctizenry is the reason the incompetence etc 


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 26, 2013, 08:11:21 AM
I'm not claiming a CT - I'm arguing that people like yourself always desire more power the greater you fail at your job and claim lack of power over the citizenry is the reason the incompetence etc 

you have claimed a CT, or carefully eluded to it being one without actually committing. I think you backed Beck 100% which is a conspiracy theory.  As far as me desiring more power, I'm good with what I have and look forward to the day I can relinquish it and lay on the beach


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 26, 2013, 08:12:44 AM
you have claimed a CT, or carefully eluded to it being one without actually committing. I think you backed Beck 100% which is a conspiracy theory.  As far as me desiring more power, I'm good with what I have and look forward to the day I can relinquish it and lay on the beach

I'm not talking about you individually - im talking about the entire police state architecture that has been erected at every level. 



Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 26, 2013, 08:19:54 AM
BREAKING: Boston Bombers Had Only ONE Firearm, a 9mm Ruger Handgun

April 24 2013



According to a report published by ABC News, the Boston bombing suspects had only a single firearm – a 9mm Ruger handgun, possibly similar to the one pictured.
 
The ABC report further theorizes that the suspects shot and killed MIT police officer Sean Collier was an attempt to gain another firearm.
 
The report further states that it appears now that the brothers used powder from large fireworks to make their homemade bombs, NOT gunpowder normally used in the reloading of ammunition.
 
According to the ABC article:
 

Law enforcement sources told ABC News the gun recovered from the scene of the Tsarnaev brothers’ shoot out with police was a Ruger 9 mm semi-automatic handgun. Sources said the gun is in the custody of the Massachusetts State Police lab and that the serial number on the firearm was obliterated.
 
Investigators have techniques to raise serial numbers after they have been obliterated so they can be read. Investigators would use the serial numbers to conduct urgent traces on the gun to determine where and how it was purchased.
 
I’m sure anti gunners will find some way to spin this for more gun control.






Read the full article here:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/single-gun-recovered-accused-b...



Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: OzmO on April 26, 2013, 05:30:37 PM
And how are you this morning Ozzybooboo? Looking forward to your weekend?

Wonderful as usual...living in reality   ;D

U?


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Jack T. Cross on April 26, 2013, 06:46:08 PM
Im not claiming a CT - im arguing that people like yourself always desire more power the greater you fail at your job and claim lack of power over the ctizenry is the reason the incompetence etc

Nice...


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Mr.1derful on April 26, 2013, 07:40:03 PM
No buffoon... They are not the same. I said own... I didn't say walk around with it. The point, yet again, that you are refusing to realize is the ABILITY TO RISE UP AGAINST TYRANNY.

I didn't say you should be able to open carry a god damn rocket launcher, but if shit hits the fan, I should be able to get one out of the garage.

This. 


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Pray_4_War on April 26, 2013, 08:07:41 PM
If someone arguing for gun control starts talking about grenades and rocket launchers you shouldn't continue debating them.  They obviously don't want to have a serious discussion about guns.  They are changing the subject to trap you into a dumb irrelevant conversation.  Page one of the liberal playbook.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tonymctones on April 26, 2013, 08:45:08 PM
that feel police should be able to out power the constituents that they serve
so you ask a question and then dont respond to the answer?

sorry boss, you have not given one good reason why you and your co-workers need "assault rifles" and I do not.

how about you explain your reasons for that as opposed to asking why we need reason to support the second ammendment?

go on now, please tell us why the ppl YOU SERVE deserve to be able to be subjected by you and your co workers


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: 24KT on April 26, 2013, 10:17:07 PM
Wonderful as usual...living in reality   ;D

U?

I'm a happy camper.... also living in reality as well.
My reality... I woke up to discover I'd made $1,000 today passively.

Anyways.... gotta run, gotta pack, I'm going away again for the weekend.
Ahhh the Muskokas... some of the most beautiful land on this planet. We're going up to 18 degrees this w/e  :D


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 27, 2013, 03:55:27 AM
that feel police should be able to out power the constituents that they serve

I don't feel I need to outpower the constituents I serve. I feel I need to outpower or at least match the bad guys I'm paid to catch.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tonymctones on April 27, 2013, 06:08:57 AM
I don't feel I need to outpower the constituents I serve. I feel I need to outpower or at least match the bad guys I'm paid to catch.
and to do that you need to take "assault rifles" away from me and other law abiding citizens?

got it....

what have my "assault rifles" done to warrant that?

more over why shoud I specifically not be allowed to own them?


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: OzmO on April 27, 2013, 06:16:50 AM
I'm a happy camper.... also living in reality as well.
My reality... I woke up to discover I'd made $1,000 today passively.

Anyways.... gotta run, gotta pack, I'm going away again for the weekend.
Ahhh the Muskokas... some of the most beautiful land on this planet. We're going up to 18 degrees this w/e  :D

You really have not shown that you are, but have a great weekend anyway and be sure to spend all that money in one place  ;D


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 27, 2013, 08:23:59 AM
and to do that you need to take "assault rifles" away from me and other law abiding citizens?

got it....

what have my "assault rifles" done to warrant that?

more over why shoud I specifically not be allowed to own them?

I don't give a rats ass if you have an assault weapon. I'd appreciate it if you would keep it locked up when not in use, and if you are doing that, then cool. Have 20 assault rifles... just keep them secure when you aren't practicing with them and I'll appreciate that.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: 240 is Back on April 27, 2013, 09:11:02 AM
I don't give a rats ass if you have an assault weapon. I'd appreciate it if you would keep it locked up when not in use, and if you are doing that, then cool. Have 20 assault rifles... just keep them secure when you aren't practicing with them and I'll appreciate that.

I like that.   if someone allows their guns to be misused, hold them as responsible as you would as if they left a pipe bomb or whatever sitting out.  I'm fine there.  I think gun laws are actually way too lenient on irresponsible gun owners.  That weapon is to be FEARED and respected.  I still hold my breath every time I pick up my weapon and I've been carrying for what, 16 years? 

People leaving loaded weapons out for others = complete idiots.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tonymctones on April 27, 2013, 09:14:42 AM
I don't give a rats ass if you have an assault weapon. I'd appreciate it if you would keep it locked up when not in use, and if you are doing that, then cool. Have 20 assault rifles... just keep them secure when you aren't practicing with them and I'll appreciate that.
yet you said have said multiple times that citizens shouldnt be allowed to have the same arms as police?

are you "evolving" your opinion on that?


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 27, 2013, 10:13:55 AM
yet you said have said multiple times that citizens shouldnt be allowed to have the same arms as police?

are you "evolving" your opinion on that?

Let me clarify... I don't believe the average citizen needs an AR15 like a police officer may need an AR15. But I don't care if they want to own one.  But I have said the average citizen doesn't need to own the same weapons the military own and on that, with some common sense exceptions, I feel is a sound position.

I'll go back and look at some of those statements to see

   


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 27, 2013, 10:14:57 AM
I'm not for restricting magazines, or assault rifles, the horses left that barn years ago. But I still see the blaring difference between what the police need vs the public. The police are duty bound, obligated, expected to confront as part of their job, gun toting criminals on a daily basis. The average citizen is not. The odds are extremely high they will encounter deadly situations, for the average joe, not so much. For the vast majority, I'd say 99.9 percent of the time a hand gun or a shotgun (home defense) is more than adequate for the average joe, for the cop, that percentage drops just by the very nature of the job.     

Here is one..



Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 27, 2013, 10:16:52 AM
I feel we are heading down a rabbit trail so I'll put us back on point... Citizens need for various weaponry verses police needs for weaponry. You say the same or different? Militarys need for various weaponry vs Citizens, Same or different?

again "need" is used..


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 27, 2013, 10:18:46 AM
an oppressive government has tanks, rocket launchers and nuclear weapons. IT sounds like you advocate joe citizen should have the right to own those..


Now here is where I differ from some on here... I would not be for the average citizen owning rocket launchers, tanks, or nuclear weapons.. I'm not thrilled about the government having the nukes but that is slightly better than my neighbor Fred owning one. 


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tu_holmes on April 27, 2013, 10:54:41 AM
again "need" is used..

The second amendment is not there because of "need", it's there IN CASE of need.... If the government becomes too powerful and ignores the will of the people, the people have the right to rise up against it and take it back.

How does this keep eluding your comprehension?


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 27, 2013, 10:56:41 AM
The second amendment is not there because of "need", it's there IN CASE of need.... If the government becomes too powerful and ignores the will of the people, the people have the right to rise up against it and take it back.

How does this keep eluding your comprehension?


Lol.  Guess what Side he is on when tshtf


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 27, 2013, 12:12:35 PM
The second amendment is not there because of "need", it's there IN CASE of need.... If the government becomes too powerful and ignores the will of the people, the people have the right to rise up against it and take it back.

How does this keep eluding your comprehension?

I don't know.. reality?


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 27, 2013, 12:13:40 PM

Lol.  Guess what Side he is on when tshtf

3333, I'll be on the right side, which side will you be on?


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tu_holmes on April 27, 2013, 12:48:44 PM
I don't know.. reality?

So the reality of our own independence is completely lost on you.

That complacency is what is wrong with the US.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 27, 2013, 01:25:13 PM
So the reality of our own independence is completely lost on you.

That complacency is what is wrong with the US.

Do you even read what I write? I wonder some times with all your non sequiturs


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tu_holmes on April 27, 2013, 01:27:51 PM
Do you even read what I write? I wonder some times with all your non sequiturs

I think your comprehension is easily in question.

You're saying that people shouldn't have those weapons to overturn a tyrannical government, right?

You used the phrase "reality".

When I, in turn, mention the reality that was the US independence and how they had to take up arms against a tyrannical government, you say I don't read what you post?

Did I miss something there?


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 27, 2013, 01:32:48 PM
I think your comprehension is easily in question.

You're saying that people shouldn't have those weapons to overturn a tyrannical government, right?

You used the phrase "reality".

When I, in turn, mention the reality that was the US independence and how they had to take up arms against a tyrannical government, you say I don't read what you post?

Did I miss something there?

 

Yes, the actual statement I made to the post by 333


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tu_holmes on April 27, 2013, 01:33:57 PM
Yes, the actual statement I made to the post by 333

No... because you said the "right side".

What the hell kind of answer is that?


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 27, 2013, 01:37:26 PM
No... because you said the "right side".

What the hell kind of answer is that?


the right one


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tu_holmes on April 27, 2013, 01:40:47 PM
the right one

It's the same kind of answer you always post.

a bullshit one.

That's not any answer. It's another sidestep.

I think I've had it with you. I will no longer respond to anything you say, you are officially worthless.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 27, 2013, 02:44:49 PM
It's the same kind of answer you always post.

a bullshit one.

That's not any answer. It's another sidestep.

I think I've had it with you. I will no longer respond to anything you say, you are officially worthless.


Yes, you have been completely rational and a joy to converse with as well..


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tu_holmes on April 27, 2013, 02:58:58 PM
Yes, you have been completely rational and a joy to converse with as well..

Far more than you.

I promise after your 6 posts you think you can find I will not reply to any more of your nonsense.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 28, 2013, 05:00:53 AM
Far more than you.

I promise after your 6 posts you think you can find I will not reply to any more of your nonsense.

See ya in 30 days


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: 24KT on May 01, 2013, 10:59:03 AM
You two really should get married ya know. You bicker like an old married couple.  :P


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 01, 2013, 04:01:30 PM
You two really should get married ya know. You bicker like an old married couple.  :P

Sometimes his arguments are so irrational I wonder if he isnt female..   ;)


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: 24KT on May 01, 2013, 09:12:48 PM
Sometimes his arguments are so irrational I wonder if he isnt female..   ;)

oh  touché   ;D

I just wish I could tell your wife you said that.


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 02, 2013, 04:27:01 AM
oh  touché   ;D

I just wish I could tell your wife you said that.

 8)


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tu_holmes on June 07, 2013, 06:34:32 PM
Sometimes his arguments are so irrational I wonder if he isnt female..   ;)

Nothing irrational about my posts. You just don't like what I have to say. Your opinion of me doesn't really have any impact on me of course.




Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: Agnostic007 on June 08, 2013, 05:30:01 AM
Nothing irrational about my posts. You just don't like what I have to say. Your opinion of me doesn't really have any impact on me of course.




welcome back


Title: Re: How many hundreds of rounds did cops fire at the bombers?
Post by: tu_holmes on June 08, 2013, 07:48:37 AM
welcome back

Thank you.