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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/29/jason-collins-comes-out-gay_n_3178401.html?ir=Sports
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By Jason Collins with Franz Lidz
This story appears in the May 6, 2013, issue of Sports Illustrated.
I'm a 34-year-old NBA center. I'm black. And I'm gay.
I didn't set out to be the first openly gay athlete playing in a major American team sport. But since I am, I'm happy to start the conversation. I wish I wasn't the kid in the classroom raising his hand and saying, "I'm different." If I had my way, someone else would have already done this. Nobody has, which is why I'm raising my hand.
My journey of self-discovery and self-acknowledgement began in my hometown of Los Angeles and has taken me through two state high school championships, the NCAA Final Four and the Elite Eight, and nine playoffs in 12 NBA seasons.
I've played for six pro teams and have appeared in two NBA Finals. Ever heard of a parlor game called Three Degrees of Jason Collins? If you're in the league, and I haven't been your teammate, I surely have been one of your teammates' teammates. Or one of your teammates' teammates' teammates.
Now I'm a free agent, literally and figuratively. I've reached that enviable state in life in which I can do pretty much what I want. And what I want is to continue to play basketball. I still love the game, and I still have something to offer. My coaches and teammates recognize that. At the same time, I want to be genuine and authentic and truthful.
Why am I coming out now? Well, I started thinking about this in 2011 during the NBA player lockout. I'm a creature of routine. When the regular season ends I immediately dedicate myself to getting game ready for the opener of the next campaign in the fall. But the lockout wreaked havoc on my habits and forced me to confront who I really am and what I really want. With the season delayed, I trained and worked out. But I lacked the distraction that basketball had always provided.
The first relative I came out to was my aunt Teri, a superior court judge in San Francisco. Her reaction surprised me. "I've known you were gay for years," she said. From that moment on I was comfortable in my own skin. In her presence I ignored my censor button for the first time. She gave me support. The relief I felt was a sweet release. Imagine you're in the oven, baking. Some of us know and accept our sexuality right away and some need more time to cook. I should know -- I baked for 33 years.
When I was younger I dated women. I even got engaged. I thought I had to live a certain way. I thought I needed to marry a woman and raise kids with her. I kept telling myself the sky was red, but I always knew it was blue.
I realized I needed to go public when Joe Kennedy, my old roommate at Stanford and now a Massachusetts congressman, told me he had just marched in Boston's 2012 Gay Pride Parade. I'm seldom jealous of others, but hearing what Joe had done filled me with envy. I was proud of him for participating but angry that as a closeted gay man I couldn't even cheer my straight friend on as a spectator. If I'd been questioned, I would have concocted half truths. What a shame to have to lie at a celebration of pride. I want to do the right thing and not hide anymore. I want to march for tolerance, acceptance and understanding. I want to take a stand and say, "Me, too."
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The recent Boston Marathon bombing reinforced the notion that I shouldn't wait for the circumstances of my coming out to be perfect. Things can change in an instant, so why not live truthfully? When I told Joe a few weeks ago that I was gay, he was grateful that I trusted him. He asked me to join him in 2013. We'll be marching on June 8.
No one wants to live in fear. I've always been scared of saying the wrong thing. I don't sleep well. I never have. But each time I tell another person, I feel stronger and sleep a little more soundly. It takes an enormous amount of energy to guard such a big secret. I've endured years of misery and gone to enormous lengths to live a lie. I was certain that my world would fall apart if anyone knew. And yet when I acknowledged my sexuality I felt whole for the first time. I still had the same sense of humor, I still had the same mannerisms and my friends still had my back.
Believe it or not, my family has had bigger shocks. Strange as it seems today, my parents expected only one child in 1978. Me. When I came out (for the first time) the doctors congratulated my mother on her healthy, seven-pound, one-ounce baby boy. "Wait!" said a nurse. "Here comes another one!" The other one, who arrived eight minutes later and three ounces heavier, was Jarron. He's followed me ever since, to Stanford and to the NBA, and as the ever-so-slightly older brother I've looked out for him.
I had a happy childhood in the suburbs of L.A. My parents instilled in us an appreciation of history, art and, most important, Motown. Jarron and I weren't allowed to listen to rap until we were 12. After our birthday I dashed to Target and bought DJ Quik's album Quik Is the Name. I memorized every line. It was around this time that I began noticing subtle differences between Jarron and me. Our twinness was no longer synchronized. I couldn't identify with his attraction to girls.
I feel blessed that I recognized my own attractions. Though I resisted my impulses through high school, I knew that when I was ready I had someone to turn to: my uncle Mark in New York. I knew we could talk without judgment, and we did last summer. Uncle Mark is gay. He and his partner have been in a stable relationship forever. For a confused young boy, I can think of no better role model of love and compassion.
I didn't come out to my brother until last summer. His reaction to my breakfast revelation was radically different from Aunt Teri's. He was downright astounded. He never suspected. So much for twin telepathy. But by dinner that night, he was full of brotherly love. For the first time in our lives, he wanted to step in and protect me.
My maternal grandmother was apprehensive about my plans to come out. She grew up in rural Louisiana and witnessed the horrors of segregation. During the civil rights movement she saw great bravery play out amid the ugliest aspects of humanity. She worries that I am opening myself up to prejudice and hatred. I explained to her that in a way, my coming out is preemptive. I shouldn't have to live under the threat of being outed. The announcement should be mine to make, not TMZ's.
The hardest part of this is the realization that my entire family will be affected. But my relatives have told me repeatedly that as long as I'm happy, they're there for me. I watch as my brother and friends from college start their own families. Changing diapers is a lot of work, but children bring so much joy. I'm crazy about my nieces and nephew, and I can't wait to start a family of my own.
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I'm from a close-knit family. My parents instilled Christian values in me. They taught Sunday school, and I enjoyed lending a hand. I take the teachings of Jesus seriously, particularly the ones that touch on tolerance and understanding. On family trips, my parents made a point to expose us to new things, religious and cultural. In Utah, we visited the Mormon Salt Lake Temple. In Atlanta, the house of Martin Luther King Jr. That early exposure to otherness made me the guy who accepts everyone unconditionally.
I'm learning to embrace the puzzle that is me. After I was traded by the Celtics to Washington in February, I took a detour to the Dr. King memorial. I was inspired and humbled. I celebrate being an African-American and the hardships of the past that still resonate today. But I don't let my race define me any more than I want my sexual orientation to. I don't want to be labeled, and I can't let someone else's label define me.
On the court I graciously accept one label sometimes bestowed on me: "the pro's pro." I got that handle because of my fearlessness and my commitment to my teammates. I take charges and I foul -- that's been my forte. In fact, during the 2004-05 season my 322 personals led the NBA. I enter the court knowing I have six hard fouls to give. I set picks with my 7-foot, 255-pound body to get guys like Jason Kidd, John Wall and Paul Pierce open. I sacrifice myself for other players. I look out for teammates as I would my kid brother.
I'm not afraid to take on any opponent. I love playing against the best. Though Shaquille O'Neal is a Hall of Famer, I never shirked from the challenge of trying to frustrate the heck out of him. (Note to Shaq: My flopping has nothing to do with being gay.) My mouthpiece is in, and my wrists are taped. Go ahead, take a swing -- I'll get up. I hate to say it, and I'm not proud of it, but I once fouled a player so hard that he had to leave the arena on a stretcher.
I go against the gay stereotype, which is why I think a lot of players will be shocked: That guy is gay? But I've always been an aggressive player, even in high school. Am I so physical to prove that being gay doesn't make you soft? Who knows? That's something for a psychologist to unravel. My motivations, like my contributions, don't show up in box scores, and frankly I don't care about stats. Winning is what counts. I want to be evaluated as a team player.
Loyalty to my team is the real reason I didn't come out sooner. When I signed a free-agent contract with Boston last July, I decided to commit myself to the Celtics and not let my personal life become a distraction. When I was traded to the Wizards, the political significance of coming out sunk in. I was ready to open up to the press, but I had to wait until the season was over.
A college classmate tried to persuade me to come out then and there. But I couldn't yet. My one small gesture of solidarity was to wear jersey number 98 with the Celtics and then the Wizards. The number has great significance to the gay community. One of the most notorious antigay hate crimes occurred in 1998. Matthew Shepard, a University of Wyoming student, was kidnapped, tortured and lashed to a prairie fence. He died five days after he was finally found. That same year the Trevor Project was founded. This amazing organization provides crisis intervention and suicide prevention to kids struggling with their sexual identity. Trust me, I know that struggle. I've struggled with some insane logic. When I put on my jersey I was making a statement to myself, my family and my friends.
The strain of hiding my sexuality became almost unbearable in March, when the U.S. Supreme Court heard arguments for and against same-sex marriage. Less then three miles from my apartment, nine jurists argued about my happiness and my future. Here was my chance to be heard, and I couldn't say a thing. I didn't want to answer questions and draw attention to myself. Not while I was still playing.
I'm glad I'm coming out in 2013 rather than 2003. The climate has shifted; public opinion has shifted. And yet we still have so much farther to go. Everyone is terrified of the unknown, but most of us don't want to return to a time when minorities were openly discriminated against. I'm impressed with the straight pro athletes who have spoken up so far -- Chris Kluwe, Brendon Ayanbadejo. The more people who speak out, the better, gay or straight. It starts with President Obama's mentioning the 1969 Stonewall riots, which launched the gay rights movement, during his second inaugural address. And it extends to the grade-school teacher who encourages her students to accept the things that make us different.
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By its nature, my double life has kept me from getting close to any of my teammates. Early in my career I worked hard at acting straight, but as I got more comfortable in my straight mask it required less effort. In recent days, though, little has separated "mask on, mask off." Personally, I don't like to dwell in someone else's private life, and I hope players and coaches show me the same respect. When I'm with my team I'm all about working hard and winning games. A good teammate supports you no matter what.
I've been asked how other players will respond to my announcement. The simple answer is, I have no idea. I'm a pragmatist. I hope for the best, but plan for the worst. The biggest concern seems to be that gay players will behave unprofessionally in the locker room. Believe me, I've taken plenty of showers in 12 seasons. My behavior wasn't an issue before, and it won't be one now. My conduct won't change. I still abide by the adage, "What happens in the locker room stays in the locker room." I'm still a model of discretion.
As I write this, I haven't come out to anyone in the NBA. I'm not privy to what other players say about me. Maybe Mike Miller, my old teammate in Memphis, will recall the time I dropped by his house in Florida and say, "I enjoyed being his teammate, and I sold him a dog." I hope players swap stories like that. Maybe they'll talk about my character and what kind of person I am.
As far as the reaction of fans, I don't mind if they heckle me. I've been booed before. There have been times when I've wanted to boo myself. But a lot of ill feelings can be cured by winning.
I'm a veteran, and I've earned the right to be heard. I'll lead by example and show that gay players are no different from straight ones. I'm not the loudest person in the room, but I'll speak up when something isn't right. And try to make everyone laugh.
I've never sought the spotlight. Though I'm coming out to the world, I intend to guard my privacy. I'm making this blanket statement in part to keep rumors and misunderstandings at bay. I hope fans will respect me for raising my hand. And I hope teammates will remember that I've never been an in-your-face kind of guy. All you need to know is that I'm single. I see no need to delve into specifics.
Look at what happened in the military when the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy was repealed. Critics of the repeal were sure that out military members would devastate morale and destroy civilization. But a new study conducted by scholars from every branch of the armed forces except the Coast Guard concluded that "cohesion did not decline after the new policy of open service was put into place. In fact, greater openness and honesty resulting from repeal seem to have promoted increased understanding, respect and acceptance."
The same goes for sports. Doc Rivers, my coach on the Celtics, says, "If you want to go quickly, go by yourself -- if you want to go farther, go in a group." I want people to pull together and push ahead.
Openness may not completely disarm prejudice, but it's a good place to start. It all comes down to education. I'll sit down with any player who's uneasy about my coming out. Being gay is not a choice. This is the tough road and at times the lonely road. Former players like Tim Hardaway, who said "I hate gay people" (and then became a supporter of gay rights), fuel homophobia. Tim is an adult. He's entitled to his opinion. God bless America. Still, if I'm up against an intolerant player, I'll set a pretty hard pick on him. And then move on.
The most you can do is stand up for what you believe in. I'm much happier since coming out to my friends and family. Being genuine and honest makes me happy.
I'm glad I can stop hiding and refocus on my 13th NBA season. I've been running through the Santa Monica Mountains in a 30-pound vest with Shadow, the German shepherd I got from Mike Miller. In the pros, the older you get, the better shape you must be in. Next season a few more eyeballs are likely to be on me. That only motivates me to work harder.
Some people insist they've never met a gay person. But Three Degrees of Jason Collins dictates that no NBA player can claim that anymore. Pro basketball is a family. And pretty much every family I know has a brother, sister or cousin who's gay. In the brotherhood of the NBA, I just happen to be the one who's out.
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I'm glad he started with "I'm Black" Otherwise I would have been stumped ::)
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fudge packer
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I dont see what the big fucking deal is with all these people coming out.
STFU and dunk the ball.
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He's a millionaire. He's young. He sleeps with whoever he wants. And he pioneered new ground today. Good for him.
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I dont see what the big fucking deal is with all these people coming out.
STFU and dunk the ball.
Same, who cares at this point. If you live in a big city you see it everyday. Seems like 1/3 the dudes in my downtown gym are gay
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I dont see what the big fucking deal is with all these people coming out.
STFU and dunk the ball.
See, I'm not gay and I'd happily pound sisters of anyone who would make such a claim...
But I think about what you (33) and me went thru when dealing with thinning hair. We probably felt like shit, stressed it, worried and tried to hide it. Then, we embraced it and shaved our head. Such a liberating feeling, right?
I bet people who are gay - particularly those in manly sports in a media-crazy world - continually worry about ending up on the cover of some TMZ or Enquirer kissing some dude, and the backlash that could come with it, etc. Collins is revealing it on his own terms.
Bigger than that... there are millions of kids out there who are gay... who kill themselves or just feel like shit all day, every day, because they're scared of people finding out. People cannot help how they're built. I didn't "choose" to get a boner when the hair stylist's boob brushed against me when I was 12, during a haircut. Same way some gay middle schools don't choose to feel how they do when they discover how they feel.
Glass houses, etc. We all shit in the potty, we all fear dying, we all do what our TV tells us. let this dude be gay, who cares really. Collins is a role model... and if him doing this means fewer kids kill themselves out of shame, peer pressure, etc, then good.
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LOL.
Good post
See, I'm not gay and I'd happily pound sisters of anyone who would make such a claim...
But I think about what you (33) and me went thru when dealing with thinning hair. We probably felt like shit, stressed it, worried and tried to hide it. Then, we embraced it and shaved our head. Such a liberating feeling, right?
I bet people who are gay - particularly those in manly sports in a media-crazy world - continually worry about ending up on the cover of some TMZ or Enquirer kissing some dude, and the backlash that could come with it, etc. Collins is revealing it on his own terms.
Bigger than that... there are millions of kids out there who are gay... who kill themselves or just feel like shit all day, every day, because they're scared of people finding out. People cannot help how they're built. I didn't "choose" to get a boner when the hair stylist's boob brushed against me when I was 12, during a haircut. Same way some gay middle schools don't choose to feel how they do when they discover how they feel.
Glass houses, etc. We all shit in the potty, we all fear dying, we all do what our TV tells us. let this dude be gay, who cares really. Collins is a role model... and if him doing this means fewer kids kill themselves out of shame, peer pressure, etc, then good.
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It's probably less traumatic coming out gay than it is admitting you play for The Wizards.
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Turd chaser
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Hairy ass slammer
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he's a free agent now. i bet he gets picked up by a team quickly.
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he's a free agent now. i bet he gets picked up by a team quickly.
240 - WYHI bro?
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The pelicans will sign him.
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What is his Getbig username
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If a gay guy sleeps with a woman, does that make him straight?
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he's a free agent now. i bet he gets picked up by a team quickly.
That's why he came out, he knows that he is done.
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These twins are from L.A. I remember them when they were in junior high in the news papers
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One is a bottom and the other a top.
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One is a bottom and the other a top.
:D
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Same, who cares at this point. If you live in a big city you see it everyday. Seems like 1/3 the dudes in my downtown gym are gay
This
It boggles my mind that people worry about this stuff. I steam, shower, and change after every work out in a gym where I'd say 1/3 of the guys are gay and I really could care less who's banging who. Toronto has a very big gay population and I have a handful of gay friends that are close friends at that. They probably know more about bodybuilding than I do too, go figure
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Fair play to the dude. He's set a precedent today and I hope others follow.
On a side note, wonder how long it'll be before a footballer in the English Premiership comes out? Homophobia is so deeply ingrained in footballing culture in the UK that I can't see it being soon. :-\
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I guess the next news will be when the first gay Getbigger comes out.
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I guess the next news will be when the first gay Getbigger comes out.
Vince Goodrum is the first gay getbigger to come out long time ago.. he denied then later admitted it... one more rep is openly gay so is Bay.. they are cool people..
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I saw two old guys bear hugging in the locked room yesterday, wearing only towels and sweat from the sauna. "I havent seen you in weeks, buddy!"
It was one of those hugs that lasted a little longer than necessary.
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that's cool, good for him i guess. i dont really watch basketball though so i'm like whatevs. still waiting for kai to come out though lol.
Fair play to the dude. He's set a precedent today and I hope others follow.
On a side note, wonder how long it'll be before a footballer in the English Premiership comes out? Homophobia is so deeply ingrained in footballing culture in the UK that I can't see it being soon. :-\
what about rugby? all those sweaty dudes running around in short shorts tackling each other, you'd think it would attract some gays for sure
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I saw two old guys bear hugging in the locked room yesterday, wearing only towels and sweat from the sauna. "I havent seen you in weeks, buddy!"
It was one of those hugs that lasted a little longer than necessary.
Why were you watching? Who cares dude?
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Does he suck dick under a towel?
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that's cool, good for him i guess. i dont really watch basketball though so i'm like whatevs. still waiting for kai to come out though lol.
what about rugby? all those sweaty dudes running around in short shorts tackling each other, you'd think it would attract some gays for sure
(http://livingontheline.org/files/images/Ire_rugby_players.jpg)
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Does he suck dick under a towel?
Be serious. He is a NBA star. Not a bodybuilder. ;D
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Be serious. He is a NBA star. Not a bodybuilder. ;D
Star? He is an unsigned free agent, certainly not a star! Bet no one on this board even knew who he was untill now! This will be his meal ticket to further his NBA career possibly, or it least make money from a book deal at the very least!
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Has Vince chimed in yet? :D
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Why do Sports Commentators give their opinions about this subject if we all know damn well they can not give a straight opinion , if they apposed it, they would be fired by the end of the day
many will say they love black people, but plenty of them will not invite them over for thanks giving dinner
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what about rugby? all those sweaty dudes running around in short shorts tackling each other, you'd think it would attract some gays for sure
This guy is an avid rugby player and a well-known homosexual.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=280763.0;attach=320696;image)
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Yawn
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You guys have no idea how American pro sports works if you think this will help his chances of getting signed. This hurt his chances more than anything. What team wants a media circus for a guy who plays 5 minutes a game and doesn't score?
For Example TIM TEBOW and religion
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:D ;D
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I dont see what the big fucking deal is with all these people coming out.
STFU and dunk the ball.
My thoughts exactly. Bunch of attention whores.
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His posts are too long.
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Will these gay pride people be showing up at games now with their flags and shit?
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What a way to make a name for yourself. He waited to the end of the season to come out, to beat the NFL players who will come out soon.
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http://www.fiveknuckles.com/mma-news/Josh-Thomson-Upset-Over-Gay-Comment-Issued-By-Frank-Shamrock,-May-Sue.html
The following is an excerpt from an interview with Josh Thomson from PunchDrunkGamer.com:
PDG: Last night during the broadcast on Yahoo sports, Frank Shamrock was commentating. When you entered the ring Frank said that you were “The first openly gay fighter in mixed martial arts”.
Josh: Yea I know I have been hearing about that. I think that my agent is in the process of hiring a lawyer to file a lawsuit against Frank for slander. We’ll see how that goes.
PDG: Well the two of you have gone back forth recently with the taunts. What lead to the dislike between the two of you?
Josh: Really it is the fact that he left our gym and the American Kickboxing Academy fighters didn’t go with Frank. So he got all butt-hurt about the situation. So he started taking credit for all the AKA fighters. Saying we were all trained by him when in fact we were not. Frank likes to think that he trained me and Mike Swick and all the other guys. He never rolled or worked with any of us guys. My trainer Javier brought him in to spar with me, which is no different than Gilbert Melendez coming in to spar with me. He came in and worked with me a couple days a week…….that doesn’t mean he is my coach. He was my training partner. If frank wants to take credit for that then he is barking up the wrong tree. He was never my coach.
PDG: I have to be unbiased. If memory serves me right didn’t you wear a shirt to the ring in a past fight that was an insult to Frank?
Josh: Laughs….Yea all of that came about after he left our gym and started making videos on YouTube about Phil “NY Badass” Baroni. I had commented on a couple of forums saying that I would give the advantage to Phil if he fought Frank. I wasn’t talking it was just that Phil had fought a higher level of competition recently than Frank had. After that his videos were posted making fun of me and Phil. That is how all of this started. Before that I never had anything against Frank.
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I thought for sure it would be Chris Bosh
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or Russell Westbrook
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Chris B. and Russell W. seem like flaming homosexual males
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I agree.
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This guy is an avid rugby player and a well-known homosexual.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=280763.0;attach=320696;image)
In your head, I am 8)
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This actually made BBC news this morning ::) ::) ::)
That was bad enough, however the report ended with the words "President Barak Obama called yesterday from the whitehouse to offer his support"
WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE??? THE MAN IS A PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL PLAYER WHO ENJOYS TAKING MASSIVE COCKS IN HIS ASSHOLE!!! WHY DOES THIS CONCERN THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES??? ;D ;D ;D
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This actually made BBC news this morning ::) ::) ::)
That was bad enough, however the report ended with the words "President Barak Obama called yesterday from the whitehouse to offer his support"
WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE??? THE MAN IS A PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL PLAYER WHO ENJOYS TAKING MASSIVE COCKS IN HIS ASSHOLE!!! WHY DOES THIS CONCERN THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES??? ;D ;D ;D
Obama is looking for a hook up.
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Obama is looking for a hook up.
I would not be surprised if this was the case.
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Obama is looking for a hook up.
He already had the Kai story buried.
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And where is Dennis Rodman in all this ??
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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The Boston Marathon Bombings made him want to come out...
And what do the bombings have anything to do with him making a statement and coming out?
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The Boston Marathon Bombings made him want to come out...
And what do the bombings have anything to do with him making a statement and coming out?
That you could be living your whole life in a lie/denial and be killed in a minute.
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHH
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And here is the first Back Lash when a commentator gives her personal opinion
LOL i always Thought Chris Broussard was gay
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-espn-chris-broussard-sparks-uproar-after-jason-collins-remarks-20130429,0,1157118.story (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-espn-chris-broussard-sparks-uproar-after-jason-collins-remarks-20130429,0,1157118.story)
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ESPN's Chris Broussard sparks uproar with Jason Collins remarks
Chris Broussard usually offers expertise on fast breaks and zone defense, but on Monday he drove right into America's culture wars by calling homosexuality "an open rebellion to God" and implying that gay people can't be Christians.
Speaking on ESPN's "Outside the Lines," the basketball analyst and former New York Times writer was discussing NBA player Jason Collins, who in a landmark move just became the first active player in one of the major pro sports to come out as gay. Collins revealed his sexual orientation in a first-person Sports Illustrated story.
"I'm a Christian. I don't agree with homosexuality," Broussard said. "I think it's a sin, as I think all sex outside of marriage between a man and a woman is.
"If you're openly living in unrepentant sin ... that's walking in open rebellion to God and to Jesus Christ," he added.
He also expressed some irritation that those who disapprove of homosexuality are, he says, labeled as intolerant and bigoted.
Broussard was not saying anything he had not said publicly before; in a 2009 blog post, he called homosexuality a sin after saying he nevertheless believed the NBA was ready for an openly gay player.
But with the far-reaching platform of ESPN — a top-rated network owned by Walt Disney Co. — Broussard took on a polarized subject at the top of a news cycle. So his comments exploded across social media.
Liberals and gay-rights proponents took Broussard to task. Kelly Dwyer of Yahoo! Sports wrote: "Gay young men and women have an impossibly tough time growing up and attempting to fit in, even as our culture shifts to become a more tolerant society. The last thing they need is to see someone like Chris Broussard, who ESPN (and by extension, the NBA) trusts as its voice both at games and in-studio, to be referring to them as sinners who are in 'open rebellion to God.' "
But many conservatives banded with Broussard as the reaction came in. Commentator Michelle Malkin tweeted that Broussard's critics were part of a "Tolerance Mob."
What do you think of Chris Broussard's remarks?
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And here is the first Back Lash when a commentator gives her personal opinion
LOL i always Thought Chris Broussard was gay
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-espn-chris-broussard-sparks-uproar-after-jason-collins-remarks-20130429,0,1157118.story (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-espn-chris-broussard-sparks-uproar-after-jason-collins-remarks-20130429,0,1157118.story)
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ESPN's Chris Broussard sparks uproar with Jason Collins remarks
Chris Broussard usually offers expertise on fast breaks and zone defense, but on Monday he drove right into America's culture wars by calling homosexuality "an open rebellion to God" and implying that gay people can't be Christians.
Speaking on ESPN's "Outside the Lines," the basketball analyst and former New York Times writer was discussing NBA player Jason Collins, who in a landmark move just became the first active player in one of the major pro sports to come out as gay. Collins revealed his sexual orientation in a first-person Sports Illustrated story.
"I'm a Christian. I don't agree with homosexuality," Broussard said. "I think it's a sin, as I think all sex outside of marriage between a man and a woman is.
"If you're openly living in unrepentant sin ... that's walking in open rebellion to God and to Jesus Christ," he added.
He also expressed some irritation that those who disapprove of homosexuality are, he says, labeled as intolerant and bigoted.
Broussard was not saying anything he had not said publicly before; in a 2009 blog post, he called homosexuality a sin after saying he nevertheless believed the NBA was ready for an openly gay player.
But with the far-reaching platform of ESPN — a top-rated network owned by Walt Disney Co. — Broussard took on a polarized subject at the top of a news cycle. So his comments exploded across social media.
Liberals and gay-rights proponents took Broussard to task. Kelly Dwyer of Yahoo! Sports wrote: "Gay young men and women have an impossibly tough time growing up and attempting to fit in, even as our culture shifts to become a more tolerant society. The last thing they need is to see someone like Chris Broussard, who ESPN (and by extension, the NBA) trusts as its voice both at games and in-studio, to be referring to them as sinners who are in 'open rebellion to God.' "
But many conservatives banded with Broussard as the reaction came in. Commentator Michelle Malkin tweeted that Broussard's critics were part of a "Tolerance Mob."
What do you think of Chris Broussard's remarks?
I personally agree with his comments as they are biblically based.
His bravery should be admired.
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On a serious note, what team would want to sign him? He's a lower tier bench warmer at best. Stats are horrible. Little playing time for the past 5 years or so. I think it's his way of trying to make some cash because he can get a book deal and the rest that comes with being the first. I've known a few gay people in my life and they all had a chip on their shoulder about being gay ("fill-in-the-blank-negative-comment It's cause I'm gay!"). If the team he wants to play for doesn't sign him, "it's cause I'm gay!". If a team does sign him but doesn't offer a lot of money, "it's cause I'm gay!" I bet he'll use this excuse to shame them into getting what he wants...money.
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He's a millionaire. He's young. He sleeps with whoever he wants. And he pioneered new ground today. Good for him.
He'll be dead of AIDS in ten years. Good for decent, normal people everywhere.
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i know afew gay dudes n they r easy going guys, i know lesbian broads also n they r cool also. they know im not down with it n they respect that, n in return i respect there choices also
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I personally agree with his comments as they are biblically based.
His bravery should be admired.
It takes more courage for a media member to come out against homosexuality than it does for gay athletes to come out.
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i know afew gay dudes n they r easy going guys, i know lesbian broads also n they r cool also. they know im not down with it n they respect that, n in return i respect there choices also
at least you realize that it is a choice, unlike the liberal media
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A choice...... uhuh... i got into it with some fucktard pro-gay..... he was flapping about how if two gay men get married and adopt a son that it will be a normal life for the boy and he can see that he has a choice to be with boys or girls.... and yes... i have a gay friend and a gay in-law..... but they dont grandstand or glorify it.....
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This
It boggles my mind that people worry about this stuff. I steam, shower, and change after every work out in a gym where I'd say 1/3 of the guys are gay and I really could care less who's banging who. Toronto has a very big gay population and I have a handful of gay friends that are close friends at that. They probably know more about bodybuilding than I do too, go figure
damn T DOT represent. wanna train sometime?
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This actually made BBC news this morning ::) ::) ::)
That was bad enough, however the report ended with the words "President Barak Obama called yesterday from the whitehouse to offer his support"
WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE??? THE MAN IS A PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL PLAYER WHO ENJOYS TAKING MASSIVE COCKS IN HIS ASSHOLE!!! WHY DOES THIS CONCERN THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES??? ;D ;D ;D
because obama is a media whore and will milk every possible opportunity to polish his "equality president" image
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He Might Be FA GGOT
but he is Black MAN
Jason Collins' Ex-Fiancee
I Had NO IDEA He Was Gay
The woman who was once engaged to NBA star Jason Collins tells TMZ, she had NO CLUE he was gay at the time of their relationship ... in fact, she only found out last weekend ... and she was floored.
Carolyn Moos (who played a few seasons in the WNBA) dated Collins for seven years and was engaged to him until they broke up in 2009 ... after Collins pulled the plug on their wedding.
Carolyn tells TMZ, she never once suspected he was gay, so the news is shocking. She says Collins eventually revealed everything last weekend -- just days before his big announcement -- and said that his homosexuality was the real reason he ended things with her.
At the time of their breakup, Carolyn says Jason gave a bunch of BS reasons for calling it quits ... and she could never understand what went wrong, until now.
Carolyn -- who's back on the hunt for Mr. Right -- tells us, "It's very emotional for me as a woman to have invested 8 years in my dream to have a husband, soul mate, and best friend in him. So this is all hard to understand."
She adds, "I care about [Jason] tremendously and only want the best for him. I want Jason to be happy for a lifetime and stay true to who he really is, inside and out."
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What a fucking moron
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What a fucking moron
2 current wars
1 terrorist attack by muslim US citizen
Country trillions in debt
And still Has time to comment on a dudes choice to walk around with shit on his dick ???
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If Obama had a son...
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i think phil jackson said everything there is to know on the subject; he basically said that anyone who make such "declarations" is just an attention whore and that it is basically, completely useless, and somewhat dumb as you are asking for backlash basically when you could have kept your sexual orientation hidden it wouldnt have changed anything.
Homosexuality is an anomaly, it's baffling that our times are so decadent that it has become trendy to revendicate being homosexual.
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i think phil jackson said everything there is to know on the subject; he basically said that anyone who make such "declarations" is just an attention whore and that it is basically, completely useless, and somewhat dumb as you are asking for backlash basically when you could have kept your sexual orientation hidden it wouldnt have changed anything.
Homosexuality is an anomaly, it's baffling that our times are so decadent that it has become trendy to revendicate being homosexual.
Moron3
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You guys have no idea how American pro sports works if you think this will help his chances of getting signed. This hurt his chances more than anything. What team wants a media circus for a guy who plays 5 minutes a game and doesn't score?
that s what phil jackson implied: basically dude is a wimp and wants to create drama for some reasons, completely useless. If he likes to suck other men cocks and get stuffed in the ass, what exactly is the link with playing basketball at pro level? There is simply no need to start all that crap. Prima donna behavior. Hopefully he ll get shown the direction to the door very quick.
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I can always spot the gays in a group photograph. They're always the ones with the huge grins on their faces.
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that s what phil jackson implied: basically dude is a wimp and wants to create drama for some reasons, completely useless. If he likes to suck other men cocks and get stuffed in the ass, what exactly is the link with playing basketball at pro level? There is simply no need to start all that crap. Prima donna behavior. Hopefully he ll get shown the direction to the door very quick.
True, but I bet there is an all-star caliber player, who is gay. He did his job by breaking the barrier. The athelete attention whores will take notice. There will be more gay outings to come.
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dude i dont care if you are homosexual, noone cares, just like noone cares about this dude's so called homosexuality. Its just a sign of the deliauessence of our era. We re on the edge of a global economical depression that will lead to poverty, millions of death and probably wars, this the stuff that matters, meanwhile rich weirdos feel the need to tell the world they enjoy anal sex while nobody asked them... also maybe it's time to ask why these people become fucked up, to adress the issues ie fucked up parents raising fucked up kids. It s a trend to see that crap as normal, or even encouraged. Just wait for the economies to collapse, and we will see if people are so tolerant then and will care as much as they do now, when shit will hit the fan and more serious matters like daily struggle for survival will become the norm for everyone.
All of this is just childish; immature... womanly. You cant say you re against the feminization of society and claim that you have no problems with men "coming out" considering their homosexuality and maybe yours actually comes from the fact you ve been raised by...single mothers. It just makes no sense.
But im not surprised most people are completely confused to the point of not even being able to understand simple logic.
I d also like some of you mental midgets to explain to me how it is a "progress" to realize more and more males raised by single mothers / molested by father figures have become homosexuals. But i doubt any of you would be able to develop any kind of solid argument. Simply because there is nothing positive in seeing men claim that they wish they were...females.
Just another result of abandonning christianity. The funniest part of the whole thing, is that what is happening is exactly what was said would happen ...in the Bible.
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dude i dont care if you are homosexual, noone cares, just like noone cares about this dude's so called homosexuality. Its just a sign of the deliauessence of our era. We re on the edge of a global economical depression that will lead to poverty, millions of death and probably wars, this the stuff that matters, meanwhile rich weirdos feel the need to tell the world they enjoy anal sex while nobody asked them... also maybe it's time to ask why these people become fucked up, to adress the issues ie fucked up parents raising fucked up kids. It s a trend to see that crap as normal, or even encouraged. Just wait for the economies to collapse, and we will see if people are so tolerant then and will care as much as they do now, when shit will hit the fan and more serious matters like daily struggle for survival will become the norm for everyone.
All of this is just childish; immature... womanly. You cant say you re against the feminization of society and claim that you have no problems with men "coming out" considering their homosexuality and maybe yours actually comes from the fact you ve been raised by...single mothers. It just makes no sense.
But im not surprised most people are completely confused to the point of not even being able to understand simple logic.
I d also like some of you mental midgets to explain to me how it is a "progress" to realize more and more males raised by single mothers / molested by father figures have become homosexuals. But i doubt any of you would be able to develop any kind of solid argument. Simply because there is nothing positive in seeing men claim that they wish they were...females.
Just another result of abandonning christianity. The funniest part of the whole thing, is that what is happening is exactly what was said would happen ...in the Bible.
I'm batshit insane.
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dude i dont care if you are homosexual, noone cares, just like noone cares about this dude's so called homosexuality. Its just a sign of the deliauessence of our era. We re on the edge of a global economical depression that will lead to poverty, millions of death and probably wars, this the stuff that matters, meanwhile rich weirdos feel the need to tell the world they enjoy anal sex while nobody asked them... also maybe it's time to ask why these people become fucked up, to adress the issues ie fucked up parents raising fucked up kids. It s a trend to see that crap as normal, or even encouraged. Just wait for the economies to collapse, and we will see if people are so tolerant then and will care as much as they do now, when shit will hit the fan and more serious matters like daily struggle for survival will become the norm for everyone.
All of this is just childish; immature... womanly. You cant say you re against the feminization of society and claim that you have no problems with men "coming out" considering their homosexuality and maybe yours actually comes from the fact you ve been raised by...single mothers. It just makes no sense.
But im not surprised most people are completely confused to the point of not even being able to understand simple logic.
I d also like some of you mental midgets to explain to me how it is a "progress" to realize more and more males raised by single mothers / molested by father figures have become homosexuals. But i doubt any of you would be able to develop any kind of solid argument. Simply because there is nothing positive in seeing men claim that they wish they were...females.
Just another result of abandonning christianity. The funniest part of the whole thing, is that what is happening is exactly what was said would happen ...in the Bible.
Why do you write so much? You could have simply said: Sons and daughters.......
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True, but I bet there is an all-star caliber player, who is gay. He did his job by breaking the barrier. The athelete attention whores will take notice. There will be more gay outings to come.
a job? breaking a barrier? there was no barrier to break! Nobody gives a fuck about the sexuality of an individual, but that individual and th epeople he fucks with. This is childish, feminized, nonsense. And will be judged by real men as it is. And i highly doubt there are many "homosexual" people in pro sports. Simply because if there were... papparrazzi would already have outed them a long time ago.
The trick used by minorities to force their ways into the majorities is to victimize themselves first, then ask for more control. They want to impose their views on the majority. These people want to fuck with nature, they are as dangerous as muslims or atheists. Only dumb people with no education and no faith cant see how dangerous these idologies are and where they re heading.
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Why do you write so much? You could have simply said: Sons and daughters.......
because people are dumb, they need to be shown the truth. People just hear mainstraeam characters relativize very deep and important principles of life in the medias, and start following suit blindly to be as trendy as them, this is just pure unlaterated stupidity. Fact is homosexuals are dangerous for mankind, family, life itself. But only someone with enough brains can understand this. Just like socialism is going nowhere either in europe or in north america, the generalization of homosexuality is going nowhere. It is only a result of abnormal life threatening behaviors in the first place, yet it is portrayed as being something "cool", "unimportant", "trendy". Except it's not. It's not like it's the first time people see something as cool because they dont understand what underlies it, before figuring what i was really about. We should adress the causes of the phenomenon, not worship the consequences and accept them as normality. Fact is most homosexual are people who have been sexually molested by perverse caregivers in their childhoods, and once adults repeat the process themselves, as simple as that. This is utter perversion, and nowadays, it is considered, regardd as..."cool". Fact is heterosexual faithful parents raise happy kids, and any other kind of bullshit man /woman created system is perversion in its core. Homosexuality is immaturity, childish, womanly. Instead of beng regarded as normal, it should be interrogated why males feel like they are "females". But curiously, nobody is adressing that subject. Funny isnt it ? Because many people come from atheist, dysfunctional families, and are prone to excuse what these broken, decadent, perverse families produce. Instead of seeing for what it is, people embelissh it , hide it, until the truth explodes in their faces about the long term consequences of their behaviors and beliefs.
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a job? breaking a barrier? there was no barrier to break! Nobody gives a fuck about the sexuality of an individual, but that individual and th epeople he fucks with. This is childish, feminized, nonsense. And will be judged by real men as it is. And i highly doubt there are many "homosexual" people in pro sports. Simply because if there were... papparrazzi would already have outed them a long time ago.
The trick used by minorities to force their ways into the majorities is to victimize themselves first, then ask for more control. They want to impose their views on the majority. These people want to fuck with nature, they are as dangerous as muslims or atheists. Only dumb people with no education and no faith cant see how dangerous these idologies are and where they re heading.
You are an idiot. Sports are like Hollywood. Image is everything. What if the Rock came out? What if Michael Jordan (in his prime) came out? Guys like Cruise, and Jackman (people in the know, know ;)) are willing to keep it a secret. Being gay, loses money. It's not right, but it is a fact.
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because people are dumb, they need to be shown the truth. People just hear mainstraeam characters relativize very deep and important principles of life in the medias, and start following suit blindly to be as trendy as them, this is just pure unlaterated stupidity. Fact is homosexuals are dangerous for mankind, family, life itself. But only someone with enough brains can understand this. Just like socialism is going nowhere either in europe or in north america, the generalization of homosexuality is going nowhere. It is only a result of abnormal; life threatening behaviors in the first place, yet it is portrayed as being something "cool", "unimportant", "trendy". Except it's not. It's not like it's the first time people see something as cool because they dont understand what underlies it, before figuring what i was really about.
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shizzo makes some great damn points
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Those laughing bastards make me laugh everytime.
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because people are dumb, they need to be shown the truth. People just hear mainstraeam characters relativize very deep and important principles of life in the medias, and start following suit blindly to be as trendy as them, this is just pure unlaterated stupidity. Fact is homosexuals are dangerous for mankind, family, life itself. But only someone with enough brains can understand this. Just like socialism is going nowhere either in europe or in north america, the generalization of homosexuality is going nowhere. It is only a result of abnormal; life threatening behaviors in the first place, yet it is portrayed as being something "cool", "unimportant", "trendy". Except it's not. It's not like it's the first time people see something as cool because they dont understand what underlies it, before figuring what i was really about.
Low-rent Jimmy Swaggart hypocritical moralism.
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Here is my personal opinion. I wouldn't give two shits if my favorite player (Tom Brady) said he was gay. That doesn't change the fact that there are far too many homophobes in this world. He would never be the same.
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I think most of you come from dysfunctional families and simultaneously whine about the feminization of modern society, while acclaiming self called homosexual people coming out, not realizing the stupidity of your rethoric in the process, simply because you have no clue what you re talking about or what is going on, as simple as that. You worship and encourage the consequences of a phenomenon while you criticize the causes. Sheer cretinism, but nothing surprising. All the while worshipping thong wearing oiled up muscular men on steroids who mostly come from dysfunctional families themselves too and earn their living sucking old men cocks. Obviously the common denominator with all of you is that you all lack any kind of religious , spiritual, intellectual education. Pure unalterated confused atheism.
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Low-rent Jimmy Swaggart hypocritical moralism.
I am driving to Lynchburg Va right now to take him out.
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I think most of you come from dysfunctional families and simultaneously whine about the feminization of modern society, while acclaiming self called homosexual people, not realizing the stupidity of our rethoric in the process, simply because you have no clue what you re talking about or what is going on, as simple as that. All the while worshipping thong wearing oiled up muscular men on steroids who mostly come from dysfunctional families themselves too and earn their living sucking old men cocks. Obviously the common denominator with all of you is that you all lack any kind of religious , spiritual, intellectual education. Pure unalterated confused atheism.
Outed/meltdown. Oh, and stfu.
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Outed/meltdown. Oh, and stfu.
haha, this is the point where it becomes obvious you ve been hurt by the truth, a truth you re not even able to find by yourself and need to be taught by someone else.
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haha, this is the point where it becomes obvious you ve been hurt by the truth, a truth you re not even able to find by yourself and need to be taught by someone else.
First of all, I come from a good home. Next, I don't really follow pro BB anymore. All I care about is who won the Olympia, and the Arnold. You are right that I don't claim a religion. It is this very religion, that makes you a fucking zealous nut. I am willing to bet that you have sucked a cock in your lifetime. You are projecting your fears of getting outed, unto us.
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damn T DOT represent. wanna train sometime?
Goodlife yonge st plaza 6 days a week 6-7:30. No homo
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Goodlife yonge st plaza 6 days a week 6-7:30. No homo
I know where that is. 'Course if that is PM time, I will be in unavailable at some dive bar.
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Would be great if the dude was faking being gay so he could make some money with these stupid stories...
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haha, the same dude who got caught on live tv saying "what a homo", this is why hypocrits like "stars" and "athletes" should keep their mouths shut when it comes to serious matters and stick to singing, dancing or throwing a ball in a basket.
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Gold.
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One of the biggest phonies on Earth.
Hypocrite. Punk. Philanderer. Rapist.
The list goes on and on.
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What I'd like to know is why any black man of status can't wait to run out and get a white girlfriend or wife? ???
All they ever do is scream racism and yet they themselves can't seem to stand being with their own kind.
Look at this fruit. He likes vagina about as much as Anderson Cooper does and yet he still can't help chasing a white woman even if it's just to be his beard. :-\
Pathetic. ::)
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Money > Looks, Morals, Integrity
95% of women right there.
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Kobe Bryant is a fucking douche.
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i think phil jackson said everything there is to know on the subject; he basically said that anyone who make such "declarations" is just an attention whore and that it is basically, completely useless, and somewhat dumb as you are asking for backlash basically when you could have kept your sexual orientation hidden it wouldnt have changed anything.
Homosexuality is an anomaly, it's baffling that our times are so decadent that it has become trendy to revendicate being homosexual.
dude you're fucking stupid, homosexuality has been around since before your jeebus turned water into wine ::), it exists everywhere even in many animals and is a legitimate aspect of our evolution, you are so uninformed it's not even fucking funny. do you seriously realize how fucking fanatical you sound?
What I'd like to know is why any black man of status can't wait to run out and get a white girlfriend or wife? ???
All they ever do is scream racism and yet they themselves can't seem to stand being with their own kind.
Look at this fruit. He likes vagina about as much as Anderson Cooper does and yet he still can't help chasing a white woman even if it's just to be his beard. :-\
Pathetic. ::)
because white women are a status symbol to them. this is how they think, it's all about status and posturing. very few of them have any actual substance other than one-upping their nig friends at nig things.
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This is what a buddy of mine posted on FB this week
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I'm insulted that the revelation of a sexual preference and lifestyle of a pro athlete can be spoken of in the same breath as the struggle endured by a black man who broke the color barrier in baseball. Jason Collins is NO Jackie Robinson. There is NO comparison. Hundreds of years of slavery, being considered 3/5th of a person by law, not even human, being beaten, raped, and murdered. Please stop the nonsense. Blacks could not vote, could not go to "regular" school, segregation was the law. Who you sleep with is your personal business, you can choose to keep that information private, a race of people cannot hide the color of their skin.
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This is what a buddy of mine posted on FB this week
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I'm insulted that the revelation of a sexual preference and lifestyle of a pro athlete can be spoken of in the same breath as the struggle endured by a black man who broke the color barrier in baseball. Jason Collins is NO Jackie Robinson. There is NO comparison. Hundreds of years of slavery, being considered 3/5th of a person by law, not even human, being beaten, raped, and murdered. Please stop the nonsense. Blacks could not vote, could not go to "regular" school, segregation was the law. Who you sleep with is your personal business, you can choose to keep that information private, a race of people cannot hide the color of their skin.
not to mention that people cannot choose to be nig nogs but they do choose to be polesmokers
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this shit is worse then mike piazza im not gay press conference
"thank you all for coming, first off i'm NOT GAY, i'm Hetrosexual, Thank you all for coming, have a nice day"
Pizza walks off
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because people are dumb, they need to be shown the truth. People just hear mainstraeam characters relativize very deep and important principles of life in the medias, and start following suit blindly to be as trendy as them, this is just pure unlaterated stupidity. Fact is homosexuals are dangerous for mankind, family, life itself. But only someone with enough brains can understand this. Just like socialism is going nowhere either in europe or in north america, the generalization of homosexuality is going nowhere. It is only a result of abnormal life threatening behaviors in the first place, yet it is portrayed as being something "cool", "unimportant", "trendy". Except it's not. It's not like it's the first time people see something as cool because they dont understand what underlies it, before figuring what i was really about. We should adress the causes of the phenomenon, not worship the consequences and accept them as normality. Fact is most homosexual are people who have been sexually molested by perverse caregivers in their childhoods, and once adults repeat the process themselves, as simple as that. This is utter perversion, and nowadays, it is considered, regardd as..."cool". Fact is heterosexual faithful parents raise happy kids, and any other kind of bullshit man /woman created system is perversion in its core. Homosexuality is immaturity, childish, womanly. Instead of beng regarded as normal, it should be interrogated why males feel like they are "females". But curiously, nobody is adressing that subject. Funny isnt it ? Because many people come from atheist, dysfunctional families, and are prone to excuse what these broken, decadent, perverse families produce. Instead of seeing for what it is, people embelissh it , hide it, until the truth explodes in their faces about the long term consequences of their behaviors and beliefs.
Raymond, do you want me to reveal the truth? :D
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What I'd like to know is why any black man of status can't wait to run out and get a white girlfriend or wife? ???
All they ever do is scream racism and yet they themselves can't seem to stand being with their own kind.
Look at this fruit. He likes vagina about as much as Anderson Cooper does and yet he still can't help chasing a white woman even if it's just to be his beard. :-\
Pathetic. ::)
Amen...
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dude you're fucking stupid, homosexuality has been around since before your jeebus turned water into wine ::), it exists everywhere even in many animals and is a legitimate aspect of our evolution, you are so uninformed it's not even fucking funny. do you seriously realize how fucking fanatical you sound?
because white women are a status symbol to them. this is how they think, it's all about status and posturing. very few of them have any actual substance other than one-upping their nig friends at nig things.
Is there any proof that homosexuality isn't a form of mental illness? I'm not saying I myself believe that it is, but I've heard that theory before and I know the mainstream would never allow that theory to get traction. Even if it were true :-\
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I was thinking of posting the same Kobe material as nails but was too lazy. Such a hippocrite.
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Is there any proof that homosexuality isn't a form of mental illness? I'm not saying I myself believe that it is, but I've heard that theory before and I know the mainstream would never allow that theory to get traction. Even if it were true :-\
you're asking for proof of a negative which is a logical fallacy. so no, there's no proof.
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Vince Goodrum is the first gay getbigger to come out long time ago.. he denied then later admitted it... one more rep is openly gay so is Bay.. they are cool people..
There's a difference between denial and never being asked.....no one ever asked and I don't tend to share information unless I feel like it. Don't need my life to be on some fucking online book.... ;D
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dude i dont care if you are homosexual, noone cares, just like noone cares about this dude's so called homosexuality. Its just a sign of the deliauessence of our era. We re on the edge of a global economical depression that will lead to poverty, millions of death and probably wars, this the stuff that matters, meanwhile rich weirdos feel the need to tell the world they enjoy anal sex while nobody asked them... also maybe it's time to ask why these people become fucked up, to adress the issues ie fucked up parents raising fucked up kids. It s a trend to see that crap as normal, or even encouraged. Just wait for the economies to collapse, and we will see if people are so tolerant then and will care as much as they do now, when shit will hit the fan and more serious matters like daily struggle for survival will become the norm for everyone.
All of this is just childish; immature... womanly. You cant say you re against the feminization of society and claim that you have no problems with men "coming out" considering their homosexuality and maybe yours actually comes from the fact you ve been raised by...single mothers. It just makes no sense.
But im not surprised most people are completely confused to the point of not even being able to understand simple logic.
I d also like some of you mental midgets to explain to me how it is a "progress" to realize more and more males raised by single mothers / molested by father figures have become homosexuals. But i doubt any of you would be able to develop any kind of solid argument. Simply because there is nothing positive in seeing men claim that they wish they were...females.
Just another result of abandonning christianity. The funniest part of the whole thing, is that what is happening is exactly what was said would happen ...in the Bible.
You ok....sound more depressed than usual...
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There's a difference between denial and never being asked.....no one ever asked and I don't tend to share information unless I feel like it. Don't need my life to be on some fucking online book.... ;D
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There's a difference between denial and never being asked.....no one ever asked and I don't tend to share information unless I feel like it. Don't need my life to be on some fucking online book.... ;D
LOL!!!!
Dude - really?
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LOL!!!!
Dude - really?
Really, there's a lot that people don't know about me. For example, I was a suspect in a murder case one time....not everything needs to be aired online
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Really, there's a lot that people don't know about me. For example, I was a suspect in a murder case one time....not everything needs to be aired online
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Really, there's a lot that people don't know about me. For example, I was a suspect in a murder case one time....not everything needs to be aired online
Seems like you got away with it Vince.