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If it was known that Jesus was the next messiah the day of his birth, the north star, the three wisemen etc... Why is it his childhood wasn't documented? Life as a 2, 3, 4, 8 year old, hitting puberty, voice changing, etc.... It seems the story goes from his birth then just jumps 15 years to him working in a blacksmith shop, but what happened in between? You would think he would have had an entourage his whole life if they knew he was so special from the start.
I'm being serious. Maybe this was documented but I would like to know more. When I tried to google it I just got links about baby Jesus.
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If it was known that Jesus was the next messiah the day of his birth, the north star, the three wisemen etc... Why is it his childhood wasn't documented? Life as a 2, 3, 4, 8 year old, hitting puberty, voice changing, etc.... It seems the story goes from his birth then just jumps 15 years to him working in a blacksmith shop, but what happened in between? You would think he would have had an entourage his whole life if they knew he was so special from the start.
I'm being serious. Maybe this was documented but I would like to know more. When I tried to google it I just got links about baby Jesus.
Most was recorded after he started his "mission" . However the catholic church has a lot of stuff that's not in the "bible". Remember the catholic church put the bible together - they chose the most valued documents for it, but they had a lot of other documents.
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John 21:25
And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
Good copout. In other words they have shit to write.
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Most was recorded after he started his "mission" . However the catholic church has a lot of stuff that's not in the "bible". Remember the catholic church put the bible together - they chose the most valued documents for it, but they had a lot of other documents.
They probably hold onto a doc where Jesus states that he is not the last prophet and one named Mohammed comes after him or something. lol
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Jesus in all probability never existed
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Luke 2:41-52
New International Version (NIV)
The Boy Jesus at the Temple
41 Every year Jesus’ parents went to Jerusalem for the Festival of the Passover. 42 When he was twelve years old, they went up to the festival, according to the custom. 43 After the festival was over, while his parents were returning home, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, but they were unaware of it. 44 Thinking he was in their company, they traveled on for a day. Then they began looking for him among their relatives and friends. 45 When they did not find him, they went back to Jerusalem to look for him. 46 After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 47 Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers. 48 When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you.”
49 “Why were you searching for me?” he asked. “Didn’t you know I had to be in my Father’s house?”[a] 50 But they did not understand what he was saying to them.
51 Then he went down to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them. But his mother treasured all these things in her heart. 52 And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.
Footnotes:
a. Luke 2:49 Or be about my Father’s business
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From what I understand about the Bible, everything was written years later after his death about the life he lived. Just think about any story of someone else's life 5-10 years later and then try to recount that event accurately. You will be convinced that you recounted the events perfectly but if you were to compare most people would probably only have a small percentage correct.
Sooo, it seems that not many can recall much about his life which you think would have been important. If he was truly God, then his whole life would have been important, how he grew up, events as a child, everything, yet it is never explained. Seems odd.
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Most was recorded after he started his "mission" . However the catholic church has a lot of stuff that's not in the "bible". Remember the catholic church put the bible together - they chose the most valued documents for it, but they had a lot of other documents.
You mean that he may have been hitting off Mary M, which means that priest's vows of celibacy were wrong (To be Christ like is to be absent of lust and sexual urges)?
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You mean that he may have been hitting off Mary M, which means that priest's vows of celibacy were wrong (To be Christ like is to be absent of lust and sexual urges)?
Considering Celibacy was only made an "official" doctrine in the 11th century, that would not add up, as the bible was formulated many centuries earlier. Although they had been practicing it all the way back to St Paul (documented from his own writings).
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If it was known that Jesus was the next messiah the day of his birth, the north star, the three wisemen etc... Why is it his childhood wasn't documented? Life as a 2, 3, 4, 8 year old, hitting puberty, voice changing, etc.... It seems the story goes from his birth then just jumps 15 years to him working in a blacksmith shop, but what happened in between? You would think he would have had an entourage his whole life if they knew he was so special from the start.
I'm being serious. Maybe this was documented but I would like to know more. When I tried to google it I just got links about baby Jesus.
Here is your answer
Jesus actually had to escape to Egypt because The king (Herod) wanted him dead because of the prophesies.
Imagine that you wanted someone dead so badly that you kill everyone that is 2 years old or under. They basically were keeping a low profile for safety reasons until it past over, even though Herod died a short time after they were still in danger.
So Jesus did not perform any miracles at this point so there was simply nothing to write or document.
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You mean that he may have been hitting off Mary M, which means that priest's vows of celibacy were wrong (To be Christ like is to be absent of lust and sexual urges)?
You mean to say that the Catholic Church may have had ulterior motives for commanding priest to stay celibate and unmarried? ;D
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Jesus did not perform any miracles at this point so there was simply nothing to write or document.
That's it in a nutshell. They documented the phase of his life in which he was actively preaching. He did not do this until adulthood.
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The books that now form the Bible were decided under the Council of Nicea under the Roman Emperor Constantine.
Some of the other books which weren't destroyed now form part of the 'Apocrypha' and can still be read.
The ones chosen to be in the Bible were those they claimed were the most legitimate or authentic books or scrolls.
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Here is your answer
Jesus actually had to escape to Egypt because The king (Herod) wanted him dead because of the prophesies.
Imagine that you wanted someone dead so badly that you kill everyone that is 2 years old or under. They basically were keeping a low profile for safety reasons until it past over, even though Herod died a short time after they were still in danger.
So Jesus did not perform any miracles at this point so there was simply nothing to write or document.
Seems a little too convenient. How long do you think it takes to go from Isreal to Egypt on the back of a donkey then back again? Could have been years and years and nothing about it documented along the way?
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Seems a little too convenient. How long do you think it takes to go from Isreal to Egypt on the back of a donkey then back again? Could have been years and years and nothing about it documented along the way?
Not really. That is how it works when documenting famous figures. You will see the same with almost all ancient figures.
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The books that now form the Bible were decided under the Council of Nicea under the Roman Emperor Constantine.
Some of the other books which weren't destroyed now form part of the 'Apocrypha' and can still be read.
The ones chosen to be in the Bible were those they claimed were the most legitimate or authentic books or scrolls.
Chosen by committee for a very express purpose-spreading Christianity throughout the nonchristian world. Our modern perception of Jesus was determined by men who never met jesus many decades after his death.
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Chosen by committee for a very express purpose-spreading Christianity throughout the nonchristian world. Our modern perception of Jesus was determined by men who never met jesus many decades after his death.
Again, not really. Christianity had already spread through most of the "known world" at that time. It was intended for the existing Christian community.
Also note that these books and other "non canon" documents were already in use. It was more of an official canonisation.
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Chosen by committee for a very express purpose-spreading Christianity throughout the nonchristian world. Our modern perception of Jesus was determined by men who never met jesus many decades after his death.
Not spreading as such, but rather for a specific interpretation perhaps, as Christianity had many sects and deviations, and one can imagine with the size of the Roman Empire and slow and primitive communication and isolated areas how this must have been.
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Not really. That is how it works when documenting famous figures. You will see the same with almost all ancient figures.
He was born from a virgin as the next messiah, not Brad Pitt. That right there is more than enough to document everything about him and not just sit around and wait 20 years until he started preaching. Catch my drift?
There is more documentation about Justin Beiber's teen years than Jesus'
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Again, not really. Christianity had already spread through most of the "known world" at that time. It was intended for the existing Christian community.
Also note that these books were already in use. It was more of an official canonisation.
Yes those books where circulating but so were many other books, very few of which survived to the present day thanks to the early church.
There was a great deal of debate at the time over which books would be considered canon. The book of revelation in particular was a contentious choice with many on the council protesting that it should not be included.
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He was born from a virgin as the next messiah, not Brad Pitt. That right there is more than enough to document everything about him and not just sit around and wait 20 years until he started preaching. Catch my drift?
There is more documentation about Justin Beiber's teen years than Jesus'
Yeah I do. But the people documenting his words and actions were those that were around him as an adult. They were not there in his younger years.
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Most was recorded after he started his "mission" . However the catholic church has a lot of stuff that's not in the "bible". Remember the catholic church put the bible together - they chose the most valued documents for it, but they had a lot of other documents.
the bible was not out together by the church ,much less the catholic church. It was done by the council of nicia (spelling way off) under Constantine's order, a pagan. The catholic church did not come around for some 1400 years
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Seems a little too convenient. How long do you think it takes to go from Isreal to Egypt on the back of a donkey then back again? Could have been years and years and nothing about it documented along the way?
No it does not take years, it takes less then a week and in an expedition may take 15 days, I study history, this was a very common trip back then and they were trying keep it a secret not document stuff, they were running for their lives, what do you expect.
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He was born from a virgin as the next messiah, not Brad Pitt. That right there is more than enough to document everything about him and not just sit around and wait 20 years until he started preaching. Catch my drift?
There is more documentation about Justin Beiber's teen years than Jesus'
Bro they were trying to be low key not trying to get attention
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Bro they were trying to be low key not trying to get attention
Who documented this flight to safety?
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Yes those books where circulating but so were many other books, very few of which survived to the present day thanks to the early church.
There was a great deal of debate at the time over which books would be considered canon. The book of revelation in particular was a contentious choice with many on the council protesting that it should not be included.
You quoted me just before I modified my post :). Yes there were other documents in circulation. Many of these documents were preserved, but you would have to go to the vatican library to find them. For example I know there is stuff about Mary and Joseph that is not in the bible.
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the bible was not out together by the church ,much less the catholic church. It was done by the council of nicia (spelling way off) under Constantine's order, a pagan. The catholic church did not come around for some 1400 years
You can debate Constantine's faith, but the Catholic church WERE the council.
You can see a list of the attendees here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
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Who documented this flight to safety?
Don't understand the question, seems like you guys are under the impression that someone is on stand by with a pen and a note pad ???
No one documented it at the time, it was later documented by one of the gospels
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You can debate Constantine's faith, but the Catholic church WERE the council.
You can see a list of the attendees here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
This is an important fact. Some argue Constantine's faith wasn't authentic and he was attempting to use Christianity for the purpose of power and control. My honest opinion is his faith probably was legit.
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I must've accidentally logged on to biblestudy.com
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Don't understand the question, seems like you guys are under the impression that someone is on stand by with a pen and a note pad ???
No one documented it at the time, it was later documented by one of the gospels
I'm kind of leading you. I was hoping someone was going to bring up non-biblical evidence for Jesus existing. I know a bit about this though it isn't my normal area of study. By the way, I am a historian but NOT a religious scholar.
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I'm kind of leading you. I was hoping someone was going to bring up non-biblical evidence for Jesus existing. I know a bit about this though it isn't my normal area of study. By the way, I am a historian but NOT a religious scholar.
8)
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Buddy of mine is in Israel at the moment walking the path of Jesus.
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Buddy of mine is in Israel at the moment walking the path of Jesus.
So the Path was documented but not his early life. Got it.
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Don't understand the question, seems like you guys are under the impression that someone is on stand by with a pen and a note pad ???
No one documented it at the time, it was later documented by one of the gospels
No, but it's like. "hey there is the son of God, born of a virgin"
Okay buddy, see ya in 20 years. Have fun. Go hide. bye...
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So the Path was documented but not his early life. Got it.
Got me. ??? I wasn't alive then.
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Got me. ??? I wasn't alive then.
Sorry, I confused you with Wes for a second
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Sorry, I confused you with Wes for a second
;D ouch.
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No, but it's like. "hey there is the son of God, born of a virgin"
Okay buddy, see ya in 20 years. Have fun. Go hide. bye...
No it's like " hey there is the son of God, let's kill him" Of course he is going to hide for 20 year, but it was actually 30 years ;)
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No, but it's like. "hey there is the son of God, born of a virgin"
Okay buddy, see ya in 20 years. Have fun. Go hide. bye...
You seem to be missing the point.
Point - for the purpose of this discussion we assume Jesus was a real person and God incarnate.
Someone had to document his life. It was not the Justin Bieber era. People didn't record the day to day activities of young teens. And Jesus was not a "star". His parents did not understand who he truly was until adulthood (at which point Joseph had passed away). His parents like so many at the time did not keep a diary of his life as a child.
He never started his mission until he was 30. So this was the first time that it occurred to anyone to start preserving his activities/teachings. These were real people, either writing down what they saw, or passing their memories to another to commit to paper. They did not have intimate knowledge of his childhood, and would only have been able to go from what Mary told them.
It is really no different to someone like Napoleon. I would be surprised if there are many details on his childhood before he started to rise to power.
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You seem to be missing the point.
Point - for the purpose of this discussion we assume Jesus was a real person and God incarnate.
Someone had to document his life. It was not the Justin Bieber era. People didn't record the day to day activities of young teens. And Jesus was not a "star". His parents did not understand who he truly was until adulthood (at which point Joseph had passed away). His parents like so many at the time did not keep a diary of his life as a child.
He never started his mission until he was 30. So this was the first time that it occurred to anyone to start preserving his activities/teachings. These were real people, either writing down what they saw, or passing their memories to another to commit to paper. They did not have intimate knowledge of his childhood, and would only have been able to go from what Mary told them.
It is really no different to someone like Napoleon. I would be surprised if there are many details on his childhood before he started to rise to power.
He is not a normal child, this wasn't a normal situation. He was supposedly born from a VIRGIN. Wasn't there some spectacle when he was born? Three wise men and such? Didn't news spread about his birth that the messiah had come? These are extraordinary circumstances to actually try paying attention to.
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He is not a normal child, this wasn't a normal situation. He was supposedly born from a VIRGIN. Wasn't there some spectacle when he was born? Three wise men and such? Didn't news spread about his birth that the messiah had come? These are extraordinary circumstances to actually try paying attention to.
Ya but when you have people trying to kill you all that goes down the drain. Ya people knew there was a Messiah around but no one knew it was actually him when he walked among people, if they did he would have been killed.
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He is not a normal child, this wasn't a normal situation. He was supposedly born from a VIRGIN. Wasn't there some spectacle when he was born? Three wise men and such? Didn't news spread about his birth that the messiah had come? These are extraordinary circumstances to actually try paying attention to.
Correct, he was extremely special. Mary and Joseph must have believed him to be destined for great things, perhaps a prophet or something similar. But no concept of him as God incarnate. Joseph was a carpenter (possibly illiterate). Mary was probably illiterate. They went into hiding to save his life as a baby, and would have carried that sense of danger for many years after, therefore seeking to keep his "special" status to themselves.
The point of the new testament (except revelations) is that it is not some supernaturally sent book. It is the memories of real, ordinary people. They themselves were not scholars. That is part of it's beauty and fascination to me. Because whether you believe it or not, these were real people, who lived fascinating lives and died (often horrific deaths). The apostle Paul was a very real person, and in his early days he had persecuted and killed Christians. It is an amazing document.
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So the Path was documented but not his early life. Got it.
Just small parts of his childhood were documented.
The focus was his ministry in his adult years...this is the the essence of the New Testament. The bible shouldn't be identified as a "biography" or "diary of Christ's life". It's truly about the establishment of the new convenant and his ministry therein. This isn't to suggest that his childhood wouldn't be extremely interesting to understand fully, but the whole of that history wasn't the inspiration for the authors of the gospels.
Personally I wish there was a full accounting of Jesus Christ's entire life on Earth, but sadly there isn't.
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Just small parts of his childhood were documented.
The focus was his ministry in his adult years...this is the the essence of the New Testament. The bible shouldn't be identified as a "biography" or "diary of Christ's life". It's truly about the establishment of the new convenant and his ministry therein. This isn't to suggest that his childhood wouldn't be extremely interesting to understand fully, but the whole of that history wasn't the inspiration for the authors of the gospels.
Personally I wish there was a full accounting of Jesus Christ's entire life on Earth, but sadly there isn't.
I think the OP was under the impression that since the 3 wise men knew where he was and who he was then so did everyone else everywhere he walked during his life.
Which is not the case, the real scenario is that no one knew who he was until they witnessed miracles when he turned 30.
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I think the OP was under the impression that since the 3 wise men knew where he was and who he was then so did everyone else everywhere he walked during his life.
Which is not the case, the real scenario is that no one knew who he was until they witnessed miracles when he turned 30.
Exactly. Certainly the OT prophecies were known, but the when and where and all that wasn't. Christ demonstrated he was the fulfillment of prophecy and that's when people began to take note. If it was widespread knowledge prior to that the Sanhedrin most likely would've interferred much earlier on his life....maybe his life would've been taken as a child. Herod certainly tried.
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Exactly. Certainly the OT prophecies were known, but the when and where and all that wasn't. Christ demonstrated he was the fulfillment of prophecy and that's when people began to take note. If it was widespread knowledge prior to that the Sanhedrin most likely would've interferred much earlier on his life....maybe his life would've been taken as a child. Herod certainly tried.
The Crucifixion happened within 3 years, I suspect had this been known earlier his death would have came earlier as well
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The Crucifixion happened within 3 years, I suspect had this been known earlier his death would have came earlier as well
Yep, spot on.
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Just as an aside if anyone cares, the idea of "the three wise men" are probably from a song: "We Three Kings"
We three kings of Orient are
Bearing gifts we traverse afar.
Field and fountain, moor and mountain,
Following yonder star.
O star of wonder, star of night,
Star with royal beauty bright,
Westward leading, still proceeding,
Guide us to thy perfect Light.
etc...
In the Bible they are referred to as the Maji, and it doesn't say how many there were.
Matthew 2
New International Version (NIV)
The Magi Visit the Messiah
2 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem 2 and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”
3 When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. 4 When he had called together all the people’s chief priests and teachers of the law, he asked them where the Messiah was to be born. 5 “In Bethlehem in Judea,” they replied, “for this is what the prophet has written:
6 “‘But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah,
are by no means least among the rulers of Judah;
for out of you will come a ruler
who will shepherd my people Israel.’”
7 Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared. 8 He sent them to Bethlehem and said, “Go and search carefully for the child. As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him.”
9 After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen when it rose went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was. 10 When they saw the star, they were overjoyed. 11 On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. 12 And having been warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route.
The Escape to Egypt
13 When they had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. “Get up,” he said, “take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt. Stay there until I tell you, for Herod is going to search for the child to kill him.”
14 So he got up, took the child and his mother during the night and left for Egypt, 15 where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: “Out of Egypt I called my son.”[c]
16 When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the Magi, he was furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had learned from the Magi. 17 Then what was said through the prophet Jeremiah was fulfilled:
18 “A voice is heard in Ramah,
weeping and great mourning,
Rachel weeping for her children
and refusing to be comforted,
because they are no more.”[d]
The Return to Nazareth
19 After Herod died, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt 20 and said, “Get up, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who were trying to take the child’s life are dead.”
21 So he got up, took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel. 22 But when he heard that Archelaus was reigning in Judea in place of his father Herod, he was afraid to go there. Having been warned in a dream, he withdrew to the district of Galilee, 23 and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets, that he would be called a Nazarene.
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Just as an aside if anyone cares, the idea of "the three wise men" are probably from a song: "We Three Kings"
We three kings of Orient are
Bearing gifts we traverse afar.
Field and fountain, moor and mountain,
Following yonder star.
O star of wonder, star of night,
Star with royal beauty bright,
Westward leading, still proceeding,
Guide us to thy perfect Light.
etc...
In the Bible they are referred to as the Maji, and it doesn't say how many there were.
Matthew 2
New International Version (NIV)
The Magi Visit the Messiah
2 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem 2 and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”
3 When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. 4 When he had called together all the people’s chief priests and teachers of the law, he asked them where the Messiah was to be born. 5 “In Bethlehem in Judea,” they replied, “for this is what the prophet has written:
6 “‘But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah,
are by no means least among the rulers of Judah;
for out of you will come a ruler
who will shepherd my people Israel.’”
7 Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared. 8 He sent them to Bethlehem and said, “Go and search carefully for the child. As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him.”
9 After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen when it rose went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was. 10 When they saw the star, they were overjoyed. 11 On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. 12 And having been warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route.
The Escape to Egypt
13 When they had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. “Get up,” he said, “take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt. Stay there until I tell you, for Herod is going to search for the child to kill him.”
14 So he got up, took the child and his mother during the night and left for Egypt, 15 where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: “Out of Egypt I called my son.”[c]
16 When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the Magi, he was furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had learned from the Magi. 17 Then what was said through the prophet Jeremiah was fulfilled:
18 “A voice is heard in Ramah,
weeping and great mourning,
Rachel weeping for her children
and refusing to be comforted,
because they are no more.”[d]
The Return to Nazareth
19 After Herod died, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt 20 and said, “Get up, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who were trying to take the child’s life are dead.”
21 So he got up, took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel. 22 But when he heard that Archelaus was reigning in Judea in place of his father Herod, he was afraid to go there. Having been warned in a dream, he withdrew to the district of Galilee, 23 and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets, that he would be called a Nazarene.
wow, awesome Stella, you're right, they never actually said 3 men. I never thought about that. I think because there was 3 different gifts people (including me :D) assumed they were 3 men. And to think I have read this over 100 times. :)
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wow, awesome Stella, you're right, they never actually said 3 men. I never thought about that. I think because there was 3 different gifts people (including me :D) assumed they were 3 men. And to think I have read this over 100 times. :)
Oh yeah, that's true people could be relating it to the stated gifts as well. Not sure I'd ever thought about that!
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If it was known that Jesus was the next messiah the day of his birth, the north star, the three wisemen etc... Why is it his childhood wasn't documented? Life as a 2, 3, 4, 8 year old, hitting puberty, voice changing, etc.... It seems the story goes from his birth then just jumps 15 years to him working in a blacksmith shop, but what happened in between? You would think he would have had an entourage his whole life if they knew he was so special from the start.
I'm being serious. Maybe this was documented but I would like to know more. When I tried to google it I just got links about baby Jesus.
That's just it. He WASN'T seen as special at the start. His legitimacy was questioned from the get-go. Remember that Joseph thought Mary was creeping on him and was going to divorce her secretly, before the angel of the Lord told him what happened.
Now, imagine you're Joseph. Your future wife, for whom you've paid a huge dowry (either via your parents or by working several years), is knocked up and you ain't touched no parts of that booty. In fact, she hasn't even lived in your house, as it was common for the betrothed to remain in her parents' place for at least a year.
Your friends and family know the situation. Now try to convince them that she was impregnated immaculately.
Plus, they were from Nazareth. Jesus' own disciples once said, "Can anything good come from Nazareth? Replace Nazareth with Compton and you get the drift.
Remember that the Pharisees, priests, and even the common people were waiting for a Jewish superman to liberate them from Roman bondage and make Israel great again, as it was in the days of David and Solomon. Do you think the lion's share of them actually believed that their Messiah would be the (step)son of a carpenter from the rat-hole of a city that was Nazareth?