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http://contests.npcnewsonline.com/contests/2013/ifbb_toronto_pro_supershow/ (http://contests.npcnewsonline.com/contests/2013/ifbb_toronto_pro_supershow/)
Mens Open
1. Victor Martinez
2. Fouad Abiad
3. Jonathan Delarosa
4. Frank McGrath
5. Mohammad Ali Bannout
Mens -212lbs
1. Jose Raymond
2. Mark Dugdale
3. Raul Carrasco
4. Mboya Edwards
5. Al Auguste
6. Fernando Noronha Almeida
7. Manuel Manchado
8. Tricky Jackson
9. Muhammad Masoom Butt
10. Amit Sapir
11. Greg Doucette
12. Wendell Floyd
13. Thomas Benagli
14. Lyndon Belgrave
15. Angel Figueroa
16. Gregory Ulysse
16. Henderson Thorne
16. James Darling
16. Javier Martinez
16. Mike Lynds
Bikini
1. Ashley Kaltwasser
2. Jennifer Dawn
3. Gigi Amurao
4. Jessica Renee
4. Nathalie Mur
6. Amanda Sexsmith
7. Leigh Brandt
8. Cynthia Benoit
9. Anna Lee Van Hatten
10. Becky Clawson
11. Simone Sinclaire
12. Janet West
13. Meredith Long
14. Dana French
15. Nina Luchka
16. Danielle Carr
17. Jaclyn Wilson
18. Eboney Chipman
Fitness
1. Ryall Graber-Vasani
2. Vanda Hadarean
3. Nicole Duncan
4. Fiona Harris
5. Ashley Sebera
6. Michelle Blank
7. Amanda Hatfield
8. Babette Mulford
9. Tanis Tzavaras
10. Eileen Wells
WOMEN'S PHYSIQUE
1. Toni West
2. CeaAnna Kerr
3. Mindi O'Brien
4. Kim Tilden
5. Jill Rudison
6. Nathalie Falk
7. Joelle Smith
8. Jen Ann Louwagie
9. Sandra Lombardo
10. Jill Dearmin
11. La Drissa Bonivel
12. Carmen Knights
13. Cynthia Jansen
14. Debbie Barrable-Leung
14. Michelle Krack
16. Janessa Roy
16. Tammy Patnode
18. Tammy Strome
Mens Physique
1, Matt Acton
2,Tyler Anderson
3, Billy Sullivan
4, Vincent Fiore
5, Craig Capurso
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1st callout of Mens Open at prejudging
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Women's Physique
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-212lbs
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1st callout of Mens Open at prejudging
Why does none of these people have head hair?
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Why does none of these people have head hair?
thats modern bodybuilding ;)
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Why does none of these people have head hair?
they shave it off
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can anyone post the Mens results?its midnight here & i got to sleep now ;)
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1st callout of Mens Open at prejudging
Vic is smoking the competetion in this clip
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481072.0;attach=520435;image)
Better than Jose, he should take the class.
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Mark went bald fast
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thats modern bodybuilding ;)
and evidence that HGH do not work, no hair regrow on bold heads ;D ;D ;D
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Women's Physique
...fat,old and bold judges ::) ::) ::)
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This is worst show I have seen in years. Probably right up there with the 2001 Colorado Pro.
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and evidence that HGH do not work, no hair regrow on bold heads ;D ;D ;D
Not with grams of test and other drugs. They just speed up the inevitable.
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1st callout of Mens Open at prejudging
Victor looked fantastic here.
I'm assuming he will probably take the Toronto pro.
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2013 IFBB Pro Physique == 1978 IFBB Pro Bodybuilding
(http://gallery.rxmuscle.com/newgallery/JEB_0707_JAGSAYEQSX.jpg)
Just exchange the board shorts for posing trunks and call it Classic Bodybuilding
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2013 IFBB Pro Physique == 1978 IFBB Pro Bodybuilding
(http://gallery.rxmuscle.com/newgallery/JEB_0707_JAGSAYEQSX.jpg)
Just exchange the board shorts for posing trunks and call it Classic Bodybuilding
get serious
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1978
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1978
Mentzer looks awesome.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481072.0;attach=520435;image)
Better than Jose, he should take the class.
cool mark is back in top form ,,,great condition,,,
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Mentzer looks awesome.
That's how he THOUGHT he looked in 1980.
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That Maria girl in FBB got ripped off. She was the best conditioned BB in the whole show, even smoked the guys. She got 3rd to a girl who looked like WPD. Maria's back poses are off the chart. Can u post some pics of her compared to the first place girl Musclecenter.
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That Maria girl in FBB got ripped off. She was the best conditioned BB in the whole show, even smoked the guys. She got 3rd to a girl who looked like WPD. Maria's back poses are off the chart. Can u post some pics of her compared to the first place girl Musclecenter.
I don't even know what to say about the FBB judging. I'm in total shock. I thought WPD came into existence so FBB's could continue to be as big and ripped as they wanted. Which is how it should be. The winner had a great flow but I thought Maria had almost as good of a flow and enough conditioning to catapult her into first.
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I don't even know what to say about the FBB judging. I'm in total shock. I thought WPD came into existence so FBB's could continue to be as big and ripped as they wanted. Which is how it should be. The winner had a great flow but I thought Maria had almost as good of a flow and enough conditioning to catapult her into first.
Anyone could easily see this.
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WPD?
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Mens Open
1. Victor Martinez
2. Fouad Abiad
3. Jonathan Delarosa
4. Frank McGrath
5. Mohammad Ali Bannout
Mens -212lbs
1. Jose Raymond
2. Mark Dugdale
3. Raul Carrasco
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victor won
fouad second
delorosa third
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oh shit we must have posted at the same time, did not see that, lol
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Victor looked much bigger compared to his appearance at the NY PRO.
Did anyone else notice this or was it due to the lack of Ramy being present?
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Victor looked much bigger compared to his appearance at the NY PRO.
Did anyone else notice this or was it due to the lack of Ramy being present?
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He was bigger, but less conditioned...I liked his NY Pro presence better...
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Only 5 entered the main class?
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He was bigger, but less conditioned...I liked his NY Pro presence better...
Agreed.
I liked his NY pro conditioning better..
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Only 5 entered the main class?
no, the others didn't get a placing at all
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Posedown at finals of Women's Bodybuilding
(a freak show ;))
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Bikini Buns show :)
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WPD?
Women Physique division.
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2013 IFBB Pro Physique == 1978 IFBB Pro Bodybuilding
(http://gallery.rxmuscle.com/newgallery/JEB_0707_JAGSAYEQSX.jpg)
Just exchange the board shorts for posing trunks and call it Classic Bodybuilding
Tim, this would require these Physique boys to take a step out of their wheelchairs and start training quads, hamstrings and calves? That's a HUGE leap into the unknown for them?
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Tim, this would require these Physique boys to take a step out of their wheelchairs and start training quads, hamstrings and calves? That's a HUGE leap into the unknown for them?
They should put Men's Physique in euro trunks. Then it could still be men's bikini, but we could get some legs onfuckingstage
(http://tick-talker.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/cl012-danielcraig2.jpg)
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They should put Men's Physique in euro trunks. Then it could still be men's bikini, but we could get some legs onfuckingstage
(http://tick-talker.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/cl012-danielcraig2.jpg)
This. I have no idea why they don't. It's completely ridiculous.
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Bikini Buns show :)
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lovin' that Asian chick. :)
long time,,,
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long time,,,
Racist post reported ;D
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lovin' that Asian chick. :)
+1
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Tim, this would require these Physique boys to take a step out of their wheelchairs and start training quads, hamstrings and calves? That's a HUGE leap into the unknown for them?
Most of these guys have competed in bodybuilding classes prior to the introduction of this physique class. They have legs enough to do well in the Classic categories that the IFBB has in Europe and at the Worlds. Obviously these type of physiques are popular with the fans, dramatically increasing the gate . The NPC and pro IFBB is just making a mistake with the stand and model in the board shorts. Just as Figure killed off women's bodybuilding, and perhaps women's physique is cutting into Figure, Men's Physique is cutting into Bodybuilding. In a few years I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of contests are Physique without bodybuilding or Figure. But put them in (modest) posing trunks and have them flex, call it Classic Bodybuilding, then its just a spectrum of different types of bodybuilding.
Bodybuilding without flexing is just modeling.
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Most of these guys have competed in bodybuilding classes prior to the introduction of this physique class. They have legs enough to do well in the Classic categories that the IFBB has in Europe and at the Worlds. Obviously these type of physiques are popular with the fans, dramatically increasing the gate . The NPC and pro IFBB is just making a mistake with the stand and model in the board shorts. Just as Figure killed off women's bodybuilding, and perhaps women's physique is cutting into Figure, Men's Physique is cutting into Bodybuilding. In a few years I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of contests are Physique without bodybuilding or Figure. But put them in (modest) posing trunks and have them flex, call it Classic Bodybuilding, then its just a spectrum of different types of bodybuilding.
Bodybuilding without flexing is just modeling.
I wouldn't even be mad if they called it "IFBB Male Fitness Model," but women's Physique is so much more impressive than this bullshit that I don't want it to share a name, and even bikini requires leg training. Bikini broads leg pressing more often than MEN who get the IFBB title? fuck outta here...
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Just as Figure killed off women's bodybuilding, and perhaps women's physique is cutting into Figure, Men's Physique is cutting into Bodybuilding. In a few years I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of contests are Physique without bodybuilding or Figure.
Highly doubt this. Professional male bodybuilders make way more money than any other physique competitors. The judgement criteria is clear - you need to be huge, freaky and ripped. All other ones including men's physique is competitors that all look good, but there's never a clear winner. It's not an accident that at the Arnold male pro winner gets $130,000 and women's bikini winner gets $7,000.
People want to see freaks and men's physique does not deliver in that department.
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People want to see freaks and men's physique does not deliver in that department.
Ironman Pro, Flex Pro, Colorado Pro, dozens of other pro bodybuilding contests, gone because no one bought tickets (as in 90% empty seats). Yet back in April was the IFBB Los Angeles Grand Prix, men and women's pro physique only. and it was packed, even up in the balcony.
And I bet within a few years, most of the supplement endorsement contracts will go to physique pros
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We Getbiggers demand them muscular young men to show more skin!!!!
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We Getbiggers demand them muscular young men to show more skin!!!!
The rest of you can gay-joke this into the ground. I'm female. I do demand this.
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in April was the IFBB Los Angeles Grand Prix, men and women's pro physique only.
Interesting, what was the prize money like? Please don't tell me supplements and $3,000 for the winner, $2,000 for 2nd and $1,000 for 3rd?
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Vic doesn't look that great, conditioning wise (neither do the other two), but he pulls that FDB and the difference is quite large, between him and the other two guys. Suddenly he looks like he had better everything.
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Competitors at Athletes Meeting (video courtesy of Antoine Vaillant channel)
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http://www.ifbbpro.com/results/2013-toronto-pro-supershow-scorecards/ (http://www.ifbbpro.com/results/2013-toronto-pro-supershow-scorecards/)
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Most of these guys have competed in bodybuilding classes prior to the introduction of this physique class. They have legs enough to do well in the Classic categories that the IFBB has in Europe and at the Worlds. Obviously these type of physiques are popular with the fans, dramatically increasing the gate . The NPC and pro IFBB is just making a mistake with the stand and model in the board shorts. Just as Figure killed off women's Rbodybuilding, and perhaps women's physique is cutting into Figure, Men's Physique is cutting into Bodybuilding. In a few years I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of contests are Physique without bodybuilding or Figure. But put them in (modest) posing trunks and have them flex, call it Classic Bodybuilding, then its just a spectrum of different types of bodybuilding.
Tim, we going to have to respectfully disagree that these guys have "legs good enough to compete in classic Bodybuilding". I have been to several shows lately and was shocked at the complete lack of leg/calf development! And there is no such thing as V-taper? Zero lat development!
Don't you really refer to classic bodybuilding at Bob Paris? Steve Reeves, etc? Take a look at our own Mindspin (Yemeni).... Classic lines!
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Tim, we going to have to respectfully disagree that these guys have "legs good enough to compete in classic Bodybuilding". I have been to several shows lately and was shocked at the complete lack of leg/calf development! And there is no such thing as V-taper? Zero lat development!
Don't you really refer to classic bodybuilding at Bob Paris? Steve Reeves, etc? Take a look at our own Mindspin (Yemeni).... Classic lines!
These are my observations as well Grant
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What I find funny is how even the 212lbs guys have giant guts now a days :-/ Go figure...
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Jose Raymond straight firsts?????
These judges must all piss in the same pot, isnt it odd that not one judge prefers anyone else for first?
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Jose Raymond straight firsts?????
These judges must all piss in the same pot, isnt it odd that not one judge prefers anyone else for first?
well to be fair, did you look at the lineup? there wasn't anyone better than jose at that show. I'm not shocked at all. not saying there isn't more to it than that, but Jose WAS better than everyone else there...
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there wasn't anyone better than jose at that show
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481072.0;attach=520435;image)
This guy in my opinion looked better, if a judge wanted to give jose the nod then thats fine, but all of them??
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481072.0;attach=520435;image)
This guy in my opinion looked better, if a judge wanted to give jose the nod then thats fine, but all of them??
ugh, disagree on Dugdale, but I guess that's your point.
I don't think it's hard to come into a show as Jose Raymond and convince five dudes you're the best though. fifty dudes- yeah, fishy, but FIVE? Please, I could convince FIVE dudes that I'M the best shit on earth.
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Tim, we going to have to respectfully disagree that these guys have "legs good enough to compete in classic Bodybuilding". I have been to several shows lately and was shocked at the complete lack of leg/calf development! And there is no such thing as V-taper? Zero lat development!
Have you seen Classic Bodybuilding, where there are height to weight ratio limits? These guys don't have massive legs, but they are well developed. My point was that this would be just as popular as the Physique classes but it would still be bodybuilding, with flexing and posing.
The number of pro women's bodybuilding contests continue to drop year by year. This year there are only 5, compared to 21 pro figure, 12 physique, and 25 bikini. For the men this year, there are 15 open pro men, 7 under 212, and 16 pro physique. Already more Pro Physique contests than open men. Watch in the coming years the number of open men contests drop and pro men's physique increase.
My point is Pro Physique cuts into Pro Bodybuilding, while Pro Classic Bodybuilding might actually increase interest in bodybuilding all around.
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In a few years I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of contests are Physique without bodybuilding or Figure.
I believe this!
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Mens Open Award Ceremony
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Mens Open Award Ceremony
Where is Chick has he retired from handing out trophies?
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Most of these guys have competed in bodybuilding classes prior to the introduction of this physique class. They have legs enough to do well in the Classic categories that the IFBB has in Europe and at the Worlds. Obviously these type of physiques are popular with the fans, dramatically increasing the gate . The NPC and pro IFBB is just making a mistake with the stand and model in the board shorts. Just as Figure killed off women's bodybuilding, and perhaps women's physique is cutting into Figure, Men's Physique is cutting into Bodybuilding. In a few years I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of contests are Physique without bodybuilding or Figure. But put them in (modest) posing trunks and have them flex, call it Classic Bodybuilding, then its just a spectrum of different types of bodybuilding.
Bodybuilding without flexing is just modeling.
classic bodybuilding...
There are three (3) categories in CLASSIC BODYBUILDING, currently as follows:
1
Up to and including 170 cm
Maximum weight (in kg) = height (in cm) – 100
(maximum +2 kg allowance)
e.g. a competitor who is 170 cm in height may weigh a
maximum of 72 kg
2 Up to and including 178 cm
Maximum weight (in kg) = height (in cm) – 100
(maximum +4 kg allowance)
e.g. a competitor who is 178 cm in height may weigh a
maximum of 82 kg
3 Over 178 cm
Maximum weight (in kg) = height (in cm) – 100
(maximum +6 kg allowance)
e.g. a competitor who is 184 cm in height may weigh a
maximum of 90 kg
*Note: If a competitor does not meet the height/weight
requirement, he is disqualified.
http://www.ifbb.com/reports/classicbodybuilding_ostrava06.htm
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more videos herehttp://www.youtube.com/user/KMaxMedia (http://www.youtube.com/user/KMaxMedia)
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Hopefully Vic will shut it down ,and put back the size he had, and shoot for the Arnold!
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My point is Pro Physique cuts into Pro Bodybuilding, while Pro Classic Bodybuilding might actually increase interest in bodybuilding all around.
You seem to be saying that when Physique gains fans, Pro loses fans, but not necessarily vice versa. You also seem to think that Pro and Classic would function as follows: when Classic gains fans, Pro doesn't necessarily lose any and sometimes even gains some, and perhaps vice versa. That would be a superior outcome for the industry, no doubt.
The question is: why would rebranding Physique into Classic (a mere semantic difference) and having the competitors pose as the pros do change the fundamental nature of the relationship between the two? Why would this staunch the flow of fans from pro to physique (classic) and make current physique fans suddenly less averse to the bloated, monstrous gut-possessing pros? I fail to see the substantive difference between the current arrangement and the one you've proposed.
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The question is: why would rebranding Physique into Classic (a mere semantic difference) and having the competitors pose as the pros do change the fundamental nature of the relationship between the two? Why would this staunch the flow of fans from pro to physique (classic) and make current physique fans suddenly less averse to the bloated, monstrous gut-possessing pros? I fail to see the substantive difference between the current arrangement and the one you've proposed.
By making physique contests different, no flexing or posing, board shorts, the powers that be are making Physique contests a different sport. Physique is more popular because it is more aesthetically pleasing. Fans can relate to the people on stage. "I can look like that some day." But by making it a different sport, they're making flexing and posing more fringe. As they are different sports, it is easy to have a contest that is only physique, and contestants that are only physique athletes. Fewer bodybuilding contests and more physique contests because that's where the money from the gate is.
If instead, you created a spectrum of pro bodybuilding classes, classic bodybuilding, under 212, open, then it is the same sport. Everyone flexes and poses, everyone works all body parts. Athletes can move around from one category to another as they see fit. Bodybuilding becomes more popular because fans once again can relate to at least some of the people on stage.
Figure, Women's Physique and Bikini, being different sports, has already cut into women's pro bodybuilding. Fewer and fewer women's pro bodybuilding contests each year. Pretty soon it will be just Ms International and Ms Olympia. (And what kind of sport requires world class athletes to compete in high heel shoes).
Now if the judges hadn't been rewarding mass above all else, we wouldn't be in this problem.
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If instead, you created a spectrum of pro bodybuilding classes, classic bodybuilding, under 212, open, then it is the same sport. Everyone flexes and poses, everyone works all body parts. Athletes can move around from one category to another as they see fit. Bodybuilding becomes more popular because fans once again can relate to at least some of the people on stage.
It seems that the market has decided that Physique physiques are what are desirable, meaning that the money ought to flow into Classic competitions just as the money is now flowing into Physique -- with more or less the same impact on the industry as a result (e.g., less Pro contests).
Further, this trend will disincentivize competitors from moving 'up' into the pro ranks, since there will be less money there. This ought to form an autocatalytic process (more money --> more popularity --> even more money --> even more poularity . . .n) and, again, have more or less the same impact on the industry as a result.
So it seems your proposal might make bodybuilding less fringe by having the market's desired body type engaging in it, but not affect the decline of pro bodybuilding -- which I thought was the point of your idea. Am I missing anything here?
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i think a 212 and under would be decent no?then all 3 winners for overall ,depending on the show.
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This guy in my opinion looked better, if a judge wanted to give jose the nod then thats fine, but all of them??
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x3 great build/condition/shape
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So it seems your proposal might make bodybuilding less fringe by having the market's desired body type engaging in it, but not affect the decline of pro bodybuilding -- which I thought was the point of your idea. Am I missing anything here?
I have no problem with the demise of contests where judges choose mass over all else. I just want some other type of bodybuilding to replace it. Physique stand and model is not bodybuilding. Who has the best looking muscles while relaxed is not the same as who has the best muscles while flexed. Classic bodybuilding might be a way to get contestants and judges to start paying attention to symmetry and proportionality. And if we have a spectrum of classes, then there's still room for the mass monsters.
Why are athletes choosing to go into Physique classes? One part is they don't want to do the massive amounts of drugs necessary to compete even in amateur bodybuilding, though they're still doing more than most bodybuilders did in the 70s. Another part is they don't like the physiques of the mass monsters, they don't want to be that massive. There should be a way for these guys to compete in bodybuilding.
The underlying problem is the judging. Compare the NPC Nationals and USA to the IFBB European Amateur Championships and World Amateur Championships. The past few years the IFBB Amateurs (claims to be drug free but no one believes it) have far superior physiques, massive but still symmetrical and proportional, V taper. All drugs are available everywhere, so if athletes outside the US are avoiding certain ones, such as hgh and insulin, it's because they know the resulting physiques don't win contests over there.
Physique is not bodybuilding because of the stand and model and the board shorts. But Physique is already outdrawing bodybuilding because the fans can relate to the contestants. Clearly there is a demand for such physiques on stage. But the powers that be are doing it in a way that will kill off bodybuilding. The promotors are going to go where the money is. Endorsement contracts will go where the fans are. As long as they are different sports, the rise of Physique will be the demise of bodybuilding.
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This guy in my opinion looked better, if a judge wanted to give jose the nod then thats fine, but all of them??
And the week before. Sami had the much more aesthetically pleasing physique: mass, symmetry, and proportionality. Jose was "drier" but why is that a measurement of a better physique? Shouldn't being too dry cause a deduction of points? Protruding stomachs? Split abs?
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And the week before. Sami had the much more aesthetically pleasing physique: mass, symmetry, and proportionality. Jose was "drier" but why is that a measurement of a better physique? Shouldn't being too dry cause a deduction of points? Protruding stomachs? Split abs?
I do not disagree with you about the NY Pro- Sammi and Aaron, I thought, looked better than Jose. But Dugdale... I dunno, this is definitely the best he's looked in quite some time, but I find his physique soooooo boring. If you don't have anything special going on, unless everyone else sucks, I dont think you should win a show. I actually would've given the Toronto show to Al Auguste, who didn't even place top three.
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I do not disagree with you about the NY Pro- Sammi and Aaron, I thought, looked better than Jose. But Dugdale... I dunno, this is definitely the best he's looked in quite some time, but I find his physique soooooo boring. If you don't have anything special going on, unless everyone else sucks, I dont think you should win a show. I actually would've given the Toronto show to Al Auguste, who didn't even place top three.
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what?!
look at him- thats bodybuilding to you!? jesus christ no wonder this 'sport' is in the shitter.
lol wtf.
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what?!
look at him- thats bodybuilding to you!? jesus christ no wonder this 'sport' is in the shitter.
lol wtf.
As far as the 212 guys went AT THE TORONTO PRO, yeah, I thought Al was the best. Fact is, Toronto was a weak ass show. Do I think Al is the best 212 guy out there? no. But at Toronto, yes I liked him best.
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As far as the 212 guys went AT THE TORONTO PRO, yeah, I thought Al was the best. Fact is, Toronto was a weak ass show. Do I think Al is the best 212 guy out there? no. But at Toronto, yes I liked him best.
lol, not even close, This guy looks like crap sorry, ''no one' is right. Look at his square delts, there is almost a 90 degree angle on them wtf. bloat in the love handles, massive scar tissue protruding at the top of his glutes,. high calf insertions (genetics), not much he can do there. A massive pec tear, wow, just horrendous.
Dugdale was crisp, polished, looked amazing and although I am not a fan of Jose, in person and up close he looks fucken massive and that is why he won, he simply out muscled everyone. Fair decision on the judges.
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lol, not even close, This guy looks like crap sorry, ''no one' is right. Look at his square delts, there is almost a 90 degree angle on them wtf. bloat in the love handles, massive scar tissue protruding at the top of his glutes,. high calf insertions (genetics), not much he can do there. A massive pec tear, wow, just horrendous.
Dugdale was crisp, polished, looked amazing and although I am not a fan of Jose, in person and up close he looks fucken massive and that is why he won, he simply out muscled everyone. Fair decision on the judges.
AGUSTE doesn't look horrible per say,looked great as amateur with pro potential 'tag'i guess adding size has not totally worked,his back looks pretty good there .dugdale boring maybe personality but build is dead on,thickest chest you will see and shape on 212 guy there is,zippered quads is his trademark,and delts are great too,always conditioned,fell off for few yrs trying to get bodyweight right to fit in 212,202 was tougher on him he looked light /small.when he won usa as lightheavy he had same look but smaller but as amateur it was enough.i think 212 he could win a few or top 3 for most part.212 o will be tough with david henry 'sick'flex lewis 'great'and jose 'the chosen one lol'and of course weinbergers boy,,,
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AGUSTE doesn't look horrible per say,looked great as amateur with pro potential 'tag'i guess adding size has not totally worked,his back looks pretty good there .dugdale boring maybe personality but build is dead on,thickest chest you will see and shape on 212 guy there is,zippered quads is his trademark,and delts are great too,always conditioned,fell off for few yrs trying to get bodyweight right to fit in 212,202 was tougher on him he looked light /small.when he won usa as lightheavy he had same look but smaller but as amateur it was enough.i think 212 he could win a few or top 3 for most part.212 o will be tough with david henry 'sick'flex lewis 'great'and jose 'the chosen one lol'and of course weinbergers boy,,,
Bro it was literally night and day between Dugdale and Aguste, I stood 4 feet in front of them while standing together and Dugdale looked like a statue compared to Aguste, no one in their right mind would have placed Auguste in front of Dugdale on that night. Now if anyone was overlooked it was Mboya, he was very crisp (no homo)
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Bro it was literally night and day between Dugdale and Aguste, I stood 4 feet in front of them while standing together and Dugdale looked like a statue compared to Aguste, no one in their right mind would have placed Auguste in front of Dugdale on that night. Now if anyone was overlooked it was Mboya, he was very crisp (no homo)
GREAT BUILD PERIOD...TAD NARROW FOR THE STRUCTURE 'FANS'LOL,,,BUT GREAT LINES,CRISP LOOK ALWAYS.PRO'S PRO,,,
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Bro it was literally night and day between Dugdale and Aguste, I stood 4 feet in front of them while standing together and Dugdale looked like a statue compared to Aguste, no one in their right mind would have placed Auguste in front of Dugdale on that night. Now if anyone was overlooked it was Mboya, he was very crisp (no homo)
I have a girl boner for Mboya. I'm biased
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I have a girl boner for Mboya. I'm biased
Mboya was very overlooked. Easily top 3 in my opinion. And I do prefer Dugdale over Raymond. Raymond has sick conditioning but I hate his structure. Apples and oranges I guess?
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I have a girl boner for Mboya. I'm biased
Mboya easily the most under rated of the 212 class, he is aesthetic as they come.
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Mboya easily the most under rated of the 212 class, he is aesthetic as they come.
no arguments from this crustacean. wish he would come in shredded so the judges could argue about it, hash it out, and give it to Raymond anyway. wait, no, that's not what I meant.
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Second place Fouad Abiad:
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Figure, Women's Physique and Bikini, being different sports, has already cut into women's pro bodybuilding. Fewer and fewer women's pro bodybuilding contests each year. Pretty soon it will be just Ms International and Ms Olympia.
I spoke too soon. Ms International is no more
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Posedown:
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Physique is not bodybuilding because of the stand and model and the board shorts. But Physique is already outdrawing bodybuilding because the fans can relate to the contestants. Clearly there is a demand for such physiques on stage. But the powers that be are doing it in a way that will kill off bodybuilding. The promotors are going to go where the money is. Endorsement contracts will go where the fans are. As long as they are different sports, the rise of Physique will be the demise of bodybuilding.
The last local contest I went to here in L.A., there were well over a 100 physique guys in it. I counted a total of 18 guys in the Open Mens category. And the Open Mens was the last category in the contest. It was nearly midnight by the time it started. Needless to write, nearly all the audience was gone by then.
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The last local contest I went to here in L.A., there were well over a 100 physique guys in it. I counted a total of 18 guys in the Open Mens category. And the Open Mens was the last category in the contest. It was nearly midnight by the time it started. Needless to write, nearly all the audience was gone by then.
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Under 212 champion Jose Raymond:
Champion Victor Martinez:
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Under 212 champion Jose Raymond:
Champion Victor Martinez:
Midgets win sometimes.
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Mboya was very overlooked. Easily top 3 in my opinion. And I do prefer Dugdale over Raymond. Raymond has sick conditioning but I hate his structure. Apples and oranges I guess?
Mboya easily the most under rated of the 212 class, he is aesthetic as they come.
HOLY SHIT, I forgot I posted this on facebook almost exactly a year ago. Also forgot I couldn't spell Mboya's name a year ago. Oops.
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HOLY SHIT, I forgot I posted this on facebook almost exactly a year ago. Also forgot I couldn't spell Mboya's name a year ago. Oops.
LOL.
That fbook post, that's like solid stand up comedy material there. Are you a professional comedian/muscle worshiper?
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LOL.
That fbook post, that's like solid stand up comedy material there. Are you a professional comedian/muscle worshiper?
I'm a professional teenage girl asshole trapped in an adult asshole's body. I crush on dudes like they're all in Menudo or something, and I hold a special place in my heart for chocolate calves, which are like black unicorns - rare and magical. My dad has them and I don't. I am possibly just trying to fill the genetic gap?
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Aguste looked weeks out...
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Interesting comments from Grant, Tim Fogerty, and One More Rep regarding Men’s Physique competitions.
I think that each of you guys have offered valid points but if I had to take a stand, I would tend to agree with Tim and OMR a bit more than agreeing with Grant.
It’s difficult to ‘pinpoint’ whose opinion is the most correct due to the fact that Men’s Physique is so darn new and is still ‘finding its way’ (so to speak).
The big question among the physique competitors is , “When is too much muscle, too much muscle ... to b e ranked higher in a physique event?”
At a recent contest in California one physique contestant resembled a very impressive, but lean competitive bodybuilder who most people felt should have entered the bodybuiling contest instead of the physique event..
He did not get a top ten physique call-out which was not much of a surprise due to the fact that he was apparently too muscular to be placed well as a physique competitor. (But in my opinion he would have been a major threat in the bodybuilding contest.)
CONFUSING??!
Definitely!!! And I think the reason for that confusion is because there is a very fine line between a great physique competitor and a great amateur bodybuilder who is lean and ripped.
For many amateur competitors …. It’s a difficult task to make the right decision …. “Should I enter the bodybuilding contest or should I enter the physique event?”
And so far in most contests you have to choose one event or the other because you can not enter both.
AND ..... In my opinion the present physique winners appear to be what the judges were looking for back in the 60 and eatly 70 amateur bodybuilding contests.
ANd it could possibly be that ..... that's exactly what the NPC official decision makers wanted.
And......
I think the term “Classic Bodybuilding” would have been a more descriptive term for Men’s Physique contests.
BUT ….. Whrn it comes to making decisions about what to call a new event and even more decisions on how to judge that new event …… Those decisions are made by a group of individuals after long discussions (and often heated arguments) and there are usually damn good reasons why those decisions are made and regimented.
The decision makers are not as stupid as you may think!
And to end this …. I also believe that this relatively new event will become more popular with the general public and competitors as well … more so than the bodybuilding events.
And it’s possible that the ‘uniform’ could be changed.
Thanks for listening….. STUNT
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Interesting comments from Grant, Tim Fogerty, an One More Rep regarding Men’s Physique competitions.
I think that each of them have offered valid points but if I had to take a stand, I would tend to agree with Tim and OMR a bit more than agreeing with Grant,
It’s difficult to ‘pinpoint’ whose opinion is the most correct due to the fact that Men’s Physique is so darn new and is still ‘finding its way’ (so to speak).
The big question among the physique competitors is , “When is too much muscle, too much muscle to b e ranked higher in a physique event?”
At a recent contest in California one physique contestant resembled a very impressive, but lean competitive bodybuilder who most people felt should have entered the bodybuiling contest instead of the physique event..
He did not get a top ten call-out which was not much of a surprise due to the fact that he apparently too muscular to be place well as a physique competitor,
CONFUSING??!
Definitely!!! And I think the reason for that is because there is a very fine line between a great physique competitor and an amateur bodybuilders who wins his class as a result of being lean and ripped.
For many amateur competitors …. It’s a difficult task to make the right decision …. “Should I enter the bodybuilding ocnestt or shoul I enter the physique event?”
And so far in most contests you have to choose one or the other, but not both.
In my opinion the present physique winners appear to be what the judges were looking for back in the 60 and eatly 70 amateur bodybuilding contests.
And I think the term “Classic Bodybuilding” would have been a more descriptive term for Men’s Physique contests.
BUT ….. Whrn it comes to making decisions about what to call a new event and even more decisions on how to judge that new event …… Those decisions are made by a group of individuals after long discussions (and often heated arguments) and there are usually damn good reason why those decisions are made and regimented.
And to end this …. I also believe that this relatively new event will become more popular with the general public and the competitors as well … more so than the bodybuilding events.
And it’s possible that the ‘uniform’ could be changed.
Thanks for listening….. STUNT
good points stunt,,again to add to your statement if it was renamed'classic 'bbing and board shorts changed to a brief 3/4 down leg or a more 70's themed trunk/brief ,and more on streamlined but good /lean build/muscled but hardness level lessened ,,good abs/intercostals but not dried out bbing extreme level conditioning.
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THANKS, NJ: I guess the big questions are:
1. Why is it called MEN'S PHYSIQUE and not MEN'S CLASSICAL BODYBUILDING?
2. Why the long board shorts rather than the 3/4 leg shorts?
I have a feeling that the above decisions were made in an effort to create and show a difference between boybuilding and physique.
And this could be justified by saying that today's 'classical contests' would only evolve into today's bodybuilding .... So let's create a difference now ...... before it gets too late ...... (Or something like that!)
Once again I gotta state that a lot of thought goes into the making of decisions such as this and there are almost always "valid reasons" for doing so.
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THANKS, NJ: I guess the big questions are:
1. Why is it called MEN'S PHYSIQUE and not MEN'S CLASSICAL BODYBUILDING?
2. Why the long board shorts rather than the 3/4 leg shorts?
I have a feeling that the above decisions were made in an effort to create and show a difference between boybuilding and physique.
And this could be justified by saying that today's 'classical contests' would only evolve into today's bodybuilding .... So let's create a difference now ...... before it gets too late ...... (Or something like that!)
Once again I gotta state that a lot of thought goes into the making of decisions such as this and there are almost always "valid reasons" for doing so.
u wrote it line 1,,,mens physique take the word'bbing'out and people/fans/industry types can then promote it,sell it,market supplement lines around it,,bbing seems one dimensional in the grand scheme there promoting nowadays,,,
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I don't fully comprehend your last post but I think that within the next few years ..... there will be more of a commercial demand for Physique competitors because the physique "physique" will be more accptable to the general public and even to the magazines and supplement companies for sales and advertising purposes.
This will be a gradual change but I'm almost positive it will happen.
And I' gotta add the following to sum this up .....
Hollywood is always looking for new faces and new bodies and new personalities for movies and TV work .... but for some reason they have yet to discover the ladies who compete in these Fitness events nor the guys who compete in the physique events.
But it's gonna happen ..... if it's not happening already.
I'd even go as far as to suggest that the better looking ones look into the possibility of getting a Hollywood agent. A tuff nut to crack but not impossible if you are a good self-promoter.
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It all depends on the judges or where the show is held. We had a physique guy compete in a local show here and didn't make top 5. One or 2 weeks later goes to the Team Universe and wins his class and over all. Goes to show how the judges have trouble with it.
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It all depends on the judges or where the show is held. We had a physique guy compete in a local show here and didn't make top 5. One or 2 weeks later goes to the Team Universe and wins his class and over all. Goes to show how the judges have trouble with it.
Do you have pics of both shows? That's quite the jump.
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I don't fully u comprehend your last post but I think that within the next few years ..... there will be more of a commercial demand of Physique competitors because the physique "physique" will be more accptable to the general public and even to the magazines and supplement companies for sales and advertising purposes.
This will be a gradual change but I'm almost positive it will happen.
And I' gotta add the following to sum this up .....
Hollywood is always looking for new faces and new bodies and new personalities for movies and TV work .... but for some reason they have yet to discover the ladies who compete in these Fitness events nor the guys who compete in the physique events.
But it's gonna happen ..... if it's not happening already.
I'd even go as far as to suggest that the better looking ones look into the possibility of getting a Hollywood agent. A tuff nut to crack but not impossible if you are a good self-promoter.
your 1st few sentences here summed up what I was thinking but didn't translate when I typed,,thanks,,,
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JUDE, YOU SAID >>>> "It all depends on the judges or where the show is held. We had a physique guy compete in a local show here and didn't make top 5. One or 2 weeks later goes to the Team Universe and wins his class and over all. Goes to show how the judges have trouble with it."
JUDE, I wasn’t there at either contest so I can’t provide an intelligent response but such ‘things’ are possible for a good number of reasons which don’t make any decision an impossibility or even questionable..
As you so stated ……. it could be possible that the judges had "trouble" deciding on the outcome.
It’s good to see that you did not mention ‘fixed’ or ‘cheating’!
As stated earlier a good number of physique contestants have the same trouble when deciding …. Should I enter the physiqe or should I enter the bodybuilding?”
That ‘trouble’ was pretty damn evident at the most recent Cal championships when the guy who did not do too well in the physique line-up could have ‘possibly’ won the overall bodybuilding title.
And as stated earlier, I ‘think’ there’s still a fine line between both events that cause problems for the judges ….. and the contestants as well.
BUT ,,,, trouble on the Judges’ part does not mean cheating on the judges’ part.
This may sound STUPID in an attempt to make it SIMPLE.,,,,
BUT …. Thr judging of any BB or physique event is simply a matter of comparisons among the contenders on that stage. There is not some ideal type of physique that a winner has to look like.
The winner simply has to look better that the other competitors on that stage.
If they all look pretty ‘bad’, then the best of the pretty bad contender will be the victor.
Then at the contest the following month, the guy who placed 4th in the ‘pretty bad group’ , may look pretty good when compared to this new lineup of guys ….. so he gets a 1st place vote from this new ‘line-up’ of judges.
Hence ... "QUITE A JUMP" as BIKINI so eloquently stated!
In a nutshell …. It’s all relative and simply a matter of comparisons … which very often isn’t really simple at all …. Especially in regards to this new physique division where too much muscle can possibly kick you out of the ball-park.
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young guy in my gym competed few wks ago in a big nj/nyc show did novice/open class 2 guys in novice he took 2nd,open he took 3rd don't know how many guys competed there,he has nice build /flow not thick ,he competes as lightweight small boned ,told him he would well in physique,he feels competing in bbing has better options for him,he really has a build suited for mens physique.
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NJ, I bet you that he'll switch over to PHYSIQUE if and when he starts placing lower than he expects within the BB comps.
This could be another great reason why the PHYSIQUE DIVISION was established.
When competitors fail to do well in the BB comps, they simply roll over into the Physique comps.
That's great for those who enjoy competing and also great for the NPC.
This Physique Division was a very wise decision!
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young guy in my gym competed few wks ago in a big nj/nyc show did novice/open class 2 guys in novice he took 2nd,open he took 3rd don't know how many guys competed there,he has nice build /flow not thick ,he competes as lightweight small boned ,told him he would well in physique,he feels competing in bbing has better options for him,he really has a build suited for mens physique.
Well I think his options are better in physique as a light weight can take the overall in physique, whereas a light weight can not in bodybuilding, with the exception of a few only in history.
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NJ, I bet you that he'll switch over to PHYSIQUE if and when he starts placing lower than he expects within the BB comps.
This could be another great reason why the PHYSIQUE DIVISION was established.
When competitor fail to do well in the BB comps, they simply roll over into the Physique comps.
That's great for those who enjoy competing and also great for the NPC.
This Physique Division was a very wise decision!
I WAS SKEPTICAL,,BUT ITS GROWING AND PROVING MY DOUBTS WRONG,,
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NJ, It's not only growing but just may soon take over and prove that you're not the only one that's wrong.
I'd like to argue this 'rapid growth of the Physique Division' with anyone who feels differently.
Bodybuilding comps will neither die nor fade away, but the growth of Men's Physique and the Women's Fitness and Figure will continue to grow to the point where bodybuilding competitors become relatively few in number.
Or a more positive note ..... Each NPC event will continue to grow when it comes to the number of contestants that compete in each contest.
But I don't foresee the demise of any NPC event except for Female Bodybuilding.
ARGUMENTS ON ANY OF THE ABOVE ARE ENCOURAGED. And I'll be the first to admit errors if you convince me otherwise.
Maybe this should be a POST of its own.
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Do you have pics of both shows? That's quite the jump.
His physique didn't change. It is most likely at the National level like the TEam universe that her won last year, prefer more muscle than the local shows. The judging is not as clear cut of BB. Well the way BB should be judged.