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and if so, does it help your progress?
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most getbiggers never train heavy so .................
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For what just to waste time?
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No.
I do like to follow heavy weight excercises with a lighter excercise with higher reps and short rest.
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For what just to waste time?
well man, most "athletes" have obsessive-complusive issues (look at L. Bird who used to shoot hoop til his hands bled) so i guess as a way to "curb the desire" since you can't train heavy 7 days a week
also, they followed this methods lots of times in the 70s and 80s
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and if so, does it help your progress?
yes, like bodyweights days only, military way of training ;)
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I always do higher than average reps 12-30s
So I would say I dont use weights that are 'heavy' for me.
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I always do higher than average reps 12-30s
So I would say I dont use weights that are 'heavy' for me.
so you never train heavy ???
btw "heavy" means pushing a weight that is a max or near max weight in whatever rep scheme that you choose
so if your 12 rep max squat is 300 pounds for 12 reps til failure then training the squat with 275-300 for 12 reps is "heavy"
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Yes I usually de-load or might take a week off every 10-12 weeks or so.
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I train to failure , but failure can come anywhere between 12-30 reps
btw "heavy" means pushing a weight that is a max or near max weight in whatever rep scheme that you choose
Maybe you should have wrote that in the OP then people know what you're talking about.
Oh and squatting to failure is just asking for a serious injury to your lower back.
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I train to failure , but failure can come anywhere between 12-30 repsMaybe you should have wrote that in the OP then people know what you're talking about.
Oh and squatting to failure is just asking for a serious injury to your lower back.
good point about the squatting
i just started doing the barbell squat and once my form starts to break down i end the set
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If you actually squat to failure you would end up on the floor with the bar on top of you or some guy heaving you up to put the bar back on the rack.
Idiotic to say the least.
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or you could squat in a squat rack
(http://getfityou.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Using-A-Power-Cage-Is-Difficult-But-Highly-Effective-1024x1024.jpg)
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I never squat
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or you could squat in a squat rack
(http://getfityou.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Using-A-Power-Cage-Is-Difficult-But-Highly-Effective-1024x1024.jpg)
This is what I use.
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or you could squat in a squat rack
(http://getfityou.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Using-A-Power-Cage-Is-Difficult-But-Highly-Effective-1024x1024.jpg)
Do you finish your working sets by leaving the bar on the low bars and crawl out from under it?
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This is what I use.
i'm curious, what's your squat at right now? weight and reps?
also what technique do you use?
i put my feet out pretty wide, but i put the bar high and i keep my torso upright
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My squat technique is olympic lifter squats. High trap placement with medium stance and sink it low basically fairly upright. Limits the amount you can do compared to a low bar placement wide stance hip lock type power lifting squat but it trains the thighs better.
Regarding light days there are so many variables. Would you consider a guy that does 5 sets of 12 with x amount of weight training moderately if his sets went like this? First set of 12 he stops at 12 but could have gotten 16reps. Second he stops at 12 but could have gotten 14. Third set gets 12 but could have gotten 13 reps. Forth set he fails at 12 reps. Fifth he fails at 9 trying to get 12.
I have never truly trained moderately. I always train hard but I think that could be a mistake. In the world of running most elite have moderate days where they don't push them self. It really recharges the batteries so to speak when they go back to hammer time.
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What is this training "light" that you speak of?
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I never squat
Not according to craigslist.
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Regarding light days there are so many variables. Would you consider a guy that does 5 sets of 12 with x amount of weight training moderately if his sets went like this? First set of 12 he stops at 12 but could have gotten 16reps. Second he stops at 12 but could have gotten 14. Third set gets 12 but could have gotten 13 reps. Forth set he fails at 12 reps. Fifth he fails at 9 trying to get 12.
that's a heavy session coz you are hitting failure
a light session would be something like training with 60-70% of your normal "heavy" training weight and never coming close to failure in any of your sets
What is this training "light" that you speak of?
see above
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when doing your regular training it should consist of every facet of training, heay weight, light weight, moderate weight, regular sets. super sets, and giant sets, this is the mistake many make by not incorporating all of this into one workout, instead of just going light one day, heavy one day, and moderate one day, you should do it all in your everyday workouts.
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so if a person works out and they go light only and thats how they train, then you have a person who trains heavy most of the time, then you have a person who trains light, moderate, and heavy in their workouts, the light trainer wont have the strength to keep up with the guy who is lifting heavy, but the heavy trainer wont have the endurance and stamina to keep up with the light training guy, but the guy who trains light, moderate, and heavy everyday, will have the stamina to smoke the light training guy and the strength to smoke the heavy lifting guy, and he will have the stamina and endurance the heavy doesnt have, and will have the strength that the light trainer doesnt, but can still outrep and outstrenghth both, so this is why you should train, light, moderate, and heavy, with superset, regular sets, and giant sets, in your everyday workout.
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so if a person works out and they go light only and thats how they train, then you have a person who trains heavy most of the time, then you have a person who trains light, moderate, and heavy in their workouts, the light trainer wont have the strength to keep up with the guy who is lifting heavy, but the heavy trainer wont have the endurance and stamina to keep up with the light training guy, but the guy who trains light, moderate, and heavy everyday, will have the stamina to smoke the light training guy and the strength to smoke the heavy lifting guy, and he will have the stamina and endurance the heavy doesnt have, and will have the strength that the light trainer doesnt, but can still outrep and outstrenghth both, so this is why you should train, light, moderate, and heavy, with superset, regular sets, and giant sets, in your everyday workout.
If the end result is your physique then I will pass thanks.
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uk jeff have you ever seen me in person, I guarantee you, I put any amount of money on it, if you were to come to the gym and see me in person, all the shit your talking on the internet, you wouldnt be saying one fucking word, in person, in the weight pit, GUARANTEED BROTHER!
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alllright c, so maybe you're a hardass tough guy who can whip ass, but that don't mean that you have an outstanding physique
lots of fierce badass dudes have god awful shit physiques :-X
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I gurantee you, you cant lift any of the heavy weight i do, and i guarantee, in the gym fully pumped, swoled the fuck up at 280, your not gona be able to say one fucking word like you type on the internet, thats a fuckin fact
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what about this skinny ass twink, do you think he'd have they guts to step up in yo face?
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what about this skinny ass twink, do you think he'd have they guts to step up in yo face?
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'HITMAN IN DA HOUSE'
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its not about bein tough, its not about being strong, its about the respect none of you getbiggers have, regarding the iron game, when you fuckers are 290 lbs, or even 280, then i will respect what you say, but until then, anything you fuckers type is horse shit, I dont give a fuck what bodyfat percent you are, and I dont care how cut you are, that shit doesnt matter when your in the gym pounding out the iron lifting and getting pumped to the fuckin gills, many of your will never know the hard work and years it takes to get up to 280 or higher, and then maintain that weight, if i had alot of money and could afford a bunch of juice, i would weigh like 305, ive never taken gh, or synthol in my life, if i had the money to buy everthing, i would be a walking tank already more than i am, and thats what you fellas dont respect is the iron life, the work, the dedication, the bustin ass in gym, wakin up cant even walk the next day, thats pumping iron, not gettin on a internet board sayin oh i have 8% bf at 185 lbs, or im 220 with 10 percent bodyfat, when your in the gym really working out, your bodyfat and cuts arent gona save your ass when you get shut the fuck down by someone weighing 280 or 300, you dont get it, you 250 lb and under muthafuckers disappear in the mirror standing next to someone who weighs 280 300 like me in real life.
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Train light? lol. Look below!
"Heres the question: Do you want to live small or die big?" Mayor of Bodybuilding
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its not about bein tough, its not about being strong, its about the respect none of you getbiggers have, regarding the iron game, when you fuckers are 290 lbs, or even 280, then i will respect what you say, but until then, anything you fuckers type is horse shit, I dont give a fuck what bodyfat percent you are, and I dont care how cut you are, that shit doesnt matter when your in the gym pounding out the iron lifting and getting pumped to the fuckin gills, many of your will never know the hard work and years it takes to get up to 280 or higher, and then maintain that weight, if i had alot of money and could afford a bunch of juice, i would weigh like 305, ive never taken gh, or synthol in my life, if i had the money to buy everthing, i would be a walking tank already more than i am, and thats what you fellas dont respect is the iron life, the work, the dedication, the bustin ass in gym, wakin up cant even walk the next day, thats pumping iron, not gettin on a internet board sayin oh i have 8% bf at 185 lbs, or im 220 with 10 percent bodyfat, when your in the gym really working out, your bodyfat and cuts arent gona save your ass when you get shut the fuck down by someone weighing 280 or 300, you dont get it, you 250 lb and under muthafuckers disappear in the mirror standing next to someone who weighs 280 300 like me in real life.
By your logic, its okay to look like this, as long as you weigh a lot and lift? Yes, great logic, cswol.
(http://foodcourtlunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/fat-man.jpg)
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Cswol with your mindset you must think this guy is jacked do you not
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By your logic, its okay to look like this, as long as you weigh a lot and lift? Yes, great logic, cswol.
(http://foodcourtlunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/fat-man.jpg)
haha beat me to it
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uk jeff have you ever seen me in person, I guarantee you, I put any amount of money on it, if you were to come to the gym and see me in person, all the shit your talking on the internet, you wouldnt be saying one fucking word, in person, in the weight pit, GUARANTEED BROTHER!
Listen you fat blow hard bag of shit, its you who would be the one backing into a corner, you talk tough on the web because in reality you are a frightened child in a gorilla elephant suit.
You are frightened to diet down because you believe that your "mass" (lol) makes you appear intimidating to people in the gym and on the street.
Deep down when you are all alone you sit and wonder just how long you can keep up this facade you have created.
You may frighten a few young guys in the gym but in reality they just laugh at you behind your back.
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whenever I take a week or 2 off I do a light/moderate full body workout just to warm those joints back up. nothing big that would make it so I couldn't train a bodypart the next day. look at those kai training vids where he's just doing random things with a light weight (for him). one of those types
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haha beat me to it
;D ;D
Cswol is obsessed with weight. Its difficult to understand why weight matters so much to him.
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I do , hard training sessions with moderate weight .
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Do you think when I was 24 working out at golds Venice and weighed 245 I walked around calling all the 280 lb and above offseason bodybuilders and power lifters fat and all this other shit because they were bigger than me, no I respected them looked up to them and paid my dues until I was up there where I could go in gym and stand next to those guys, that's what many of you don't have is respect for the iron game, if its so easy and so quick to do why don't you fellas get up to 290 big as fuck then come give your twink cut 2 cents that don't make a fuck what gym your at because your still on a chat board small talkin about your abs cuts and diets, THAT'S NOT PUMPIN IRON SON!
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Do you think when I was 24 working out at golds Venice and weighed 245 I walked around calling all the 280 lb and above offseason bodybuilders and power lifters fat and all this other shit because they were bigger than me, no I respected them looked up to them and paid my dues until I was up there where I could go in gym and stand next to those guys, that's what many of you don't have is respect for the iron game, if its so easy and so quick to do why don't you fellas get up to 290 big as fuck then come give your twink cut 2 cents that don't make a fuck what gym your at because your still on a chat board small talkin about your abs cuts and diets, THAT'S NOT PUMPIN IRON SON!
This man weighs 800 pounds. you must respect him because he is big as fuck! He is even doing pullups for you, cswol.
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Do you think when I was 24 working out at golds Venice and weighed 245 I walked around calling all the 280 lb and above offseason bodybuilders and power lifters fat and all this other shit because they were bigger than me, no I respected them looked up to them and paid my dues until I was up there where I could go in gym and stand next to those guys, that's what many of you don't have is respect for the iron game, if its so easy and so quick to do why don't you fellas get up to 290 big as fuck then come give your twink cut 2 cents that don't make a fuck what gym your at because your still on a chat board small talkin about your abs cuts and diets, THAT'S NOT PUMPIN IRON SON!
haha a couple of months of drinking olive oil, fried food and lying on the sofa all day will creat a phisique similar to yours
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Lol @ comments against cswol
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Do you think when I was 24 working out at golds Venice and weighed 245 I walked around calling all the 280 lb and above offseason bodybuilders and power lifters fat and all this other shit because they were bigger than me, no I respected them looked up to them and paid my dues until I was up there where I could go in gym and stand next to those guys, that's what many of you don't have is respect for the iron game, if its so easy and so quick to do why don't you fellas get up to 290 big as fuck then come give your twink cut 2 cents that don't make a fuck what gym your at because your still on a chat board small talkin about your abs cuts and diets, THAT'S NOT PUMPIN IRON SON!
It's said that inside every obese person is a thinner, more normal one trying hard to get out. Most "people of size" find that chocolate acts as an excellent tranquilizer dart. Keeps the skinny inside if you get my drift.
Look, there's nothing wrong with being big and strong but looking like some sort of mutated inflatable schmoe luv doll is not exactly what most people find attractive, let alone normal.
Do as you please. Just do not expect normal people (and the rest of us here) to find it aesthetically pleasing. Or healthy. Or...
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Almost forgot to answer dj181's question.
Yes. I prefer the Mentzer style of abbreviated training but there are days when I will do less weight but more reps. I will still perform pretty much the same total of sets, but I find the lighter weight higher reps to be a nice change of pace.
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Almost forgot to answer dj181's question.
Yes. I prefer the Mentzer style of abbreviated training but there are days when I will do less weight but more reps. I will still perform pretty much the same total of sets, but I find the lighter weight higher reps to be a nice change of pace.
is the less weight with more reps taken til failure? if yes, then that's still "heavy" training in my book
or maybe instead of saying "heavy" training i should say hard training, or training till failure
a light or moderate session would be taking about 70% of whatever your max weight/rep scheme is for a particular exercise
so for me and barbell curls i do 115 for about 5 or 6 reps till failure, so a light-moderate session would be 80 pounds for 5 reps, well short of failure
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Yes I usually de-load or might take a week off every 10-12 weeks or so.
THIS
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is the less weight with more reps taken til failure? if yes, then that's still "heavy" training in my book
or maybe instead of saying "heavy" training i should say hard training, or training till failure
a light or moderate session would be taking about 70% of whatever your max weight/rep scheme is for a particular exercise
so for me and barbell curls i do 115 for about 5 or 6 reps till failure, so a light-moderate session would be 80 pounds for 5 reps, well short of failure
Yes, it is. I try and select a weight that will allow between 15 and 30 reps (depending upon the bodypart). This results in a tremendous pump and a healthy stressing of the muscle tissue. I do this every so often as the mood strikes me. I am in my mid/upper fifties now and need to learn that looking strong and being strong go hand in hand.
A friend used to say that to the average person just about anyone that lifts is "strong" and so as we age we should take in to account the biggest thing on us is our ego. Feed it with a healthy diet of exercise, good food and rest and all will be well. Overfeed it and you are likely to wind up covered in pinkish dots due to having people poke you with ten foot poles.
Or something to the effect. ;D There's more to life than lifting. Mentzer knew this. Arnold too. They just went about it differently and it is sad that we lost Mike (and Ray) at such a relatively young age. Look at former bodybuilders like Flex Wheeler and you'll see what I mean. He has nothing now except memories of his ignorant, misspent youth.
And some oil filled arms with hideous "tribal" ink on them. Vince Gironda used to say "...train for shape and size will surely follow". I add to that, train for life and everything else will fall into place.
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Regarding Cswols weight: I'm a firm believer that your body's metabolic mechanisms are more EFFICIENT at a reasonably lower body fat percentage. Meaning that Cswol would grow better and put on more muscle if he lost 10% BF.
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Regarding Cswols weight: I'm a firm believer that your body's metabolic mechanisms are more EFFICIENT at a reasonably lower body fat percentage. Meaning that Cswol would grow better and put on more muscle if he lost 10% BF.
But....but.....but...... then he wont be cSWOL any more. :( :(
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CSWOL.
Can't Stop Whining OnLine.
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and if so, does it help your progress?
Usually there are three scenarios where I do that.
1) Knees/elbows are killing me.
2) I'm feeling to tired or exhausted (particularly if the carbs are low).
3) I lack access to a legitimate gym (i.e. the multi-station I had to use at my girlfriend's apartment complex back in 2001). Then, it's time for pre-exhaust supersets.
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is the less weight with more reps taken til failure? if yes, then that's still "heavy" training in my book
or maybe instead of saying "heavy" training i should say hard training, or training till failure
a light or moderate session would be taking about 70% of whatever your max weight/rep scheme is for a particular exercise
so for me and barbell curls i do 115 for about 5 or 6 reps till failure, so a light-moderate session would be 80 pounds for 5 reps, well short of failure
For what?
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For what?
because i'm fucked in my head and i literally can't take a fucking day off from the gym
so if i train light then those days would be like "active recovery" days
yeah i know you'll tell me to take days off, but i can't
i've now trained 15 days in a row
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i've now trained 15 days in a row
Keep going mate, you will be down to your ideal weight soon.
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Keep going mate, you will be down to your ideal weight soon.
lol
actually i'm up 2 kilo and my arm is almost 16 inches RIPPED
i'm still at a dry as fuck sub-5 8)
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haha beat me to it
Non Homosapiens, who is feeding those absorbers ::),he could not see his own penis,what kind of maids cleans him :P,
totally useless & wortless creatures.Who pays for theirs food supplays :o
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i'm curious, what's your squat at right now? weight and reps?
also what technique do you use?
i put my feet out pretty wide, but i put the bar high and i keep my torso upright
I change week to week depending on how I feel. Sometimes low reps with higher weight (320ish) and sometime lower weight with high reps (225ish). Other time I'll do front squats, but I always keep my feet pointed slightly outward and approx shoulder width with the bar high. I'm finding that low calories mixed with long work days really leaves me with no energy these days. I'm in my mid 40's.
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lol
actually i'm up 2 kilo and my arm is almost 16 inches RIPPED
i'm still at a dry as fuck sub-5 8)
Congrats. So do most corpses at the morgue.
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Congrats. So do most corpses at the morgue.
lol
p.s. King Zane's RIPPED arm was maybe 17 inches, maybe ;)
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because i'm fucked in my head and i literally can't take a fucking day off from the gym
so if i train light then those days would be like "active recovery" days
yeah i know you'll tell me to take days off, but i can't
i've now trained 15 days in a row
Same here, I rarely take off days... I go lighter when I'm feeling ragged and do four exercises for ten sets of ten with little rest. Just using one plate a side on the hammer machines or 100 lbs on the stack
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numbers dont mean shit.
bodyfat percent, weight, arm size, it dont mean shit.
ppl here have said my arms look like 20inches lean, but they arent.
you can put some ppl with same sized arm as mine, same bodyfat next to me and they wont look the same.
do not vaguely accosiate your hysique with zanes, dont be ridiculous, zane has 30pounds of pure shredded muscle on you.maybe even 40.
zane was pund for pound, height for height, bigger than me, now do the math.
but numbers dont mean shit, its all about how it looks.
zane is the most aestical athlethe of all times, easy amongst the best looking 5 physiques of all times, and was mr o, do not even remotely compare yourself to him, just dont do it.
i'm not comparing myself to him dumbass
and yes numbers do make a difference when you compare yourself to yourself ;)
p.s. ma man che says that my physique is better than yours ;)
give me a few more months of training hard and heavy with barbells and then see what you say ;)
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i'm not comparing myself to him dumbass
and yes numbers do make a difference when you compare yourself to yourself ;)
p.s. ma man che says that my physique is better than yours ;)
give me a few more months of training hard and heavy with barbells and then see what you say ;)
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Dude....have you seen Gal's pics ???
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......every fourth week.
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Dude....have you seen Gal's pics ???
yes i have
and where did i say that i'm better?
che said it not me
you dudes haven't really seen the real me as i was doing home training with some dumbbells and i wasn't even really training my legs (push-ups lol) or chest (light db squats lol) and all i did for back was dumbbell rows
let's see what a proper gym membership with barbells can do to the djer's physique ;)
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or you could squat in a squat rack
(http://getfityou.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Using-A-Power-Cage-Is-Difficult-But-Highly-Effective-1024x1024.jpg)
That guy should try lifting weights for once, and not standing around like a fucking twink.
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That guy should try lifting weights for once, and not standing around like a fucking twink.
wonder if he hails from the near east side of Columbus Ohio ???
probably comes from Upper Arlington though ;)
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wonder if he hails from the near east side of Columbus Ohio ???
probably comes from Upper Arlington though ;)
haha, I love your Columbus references!!! ;D
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haha, I love your Columbus references!!! ;D
one of my ex-girlfriends used to call is shittylumbus lol
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Props DJ! Looks like you are almost there!!!!
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Props DJ! Looks like you are almost there!!!!
(http://www.freewebs.com/jake021192/rappin_golem.jpg)
;D ;D ;D
p.s. my physique shit all over your 3 weeks ago and now it's even better ;)
i'd say at the end of august i'll be OUTSTANDING 8) at least my delts, pecs, and arms will be FUCK LEGS :D :D :D