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Title: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Irongrip400 on June 15, 2013, 07:22:52 AM
And if they don't, it is because they are lazy or no one has told them what I am about to post.  I hope that some of you guys take some of this info, and better yourselves.  I am only posting this after reading this post in another thread:

I guess everyone will then be able to have jobs and support themselves since everyone will then have access to equal opportunity and there will be no more discrimination or racism

but I kid, I kid. :)

Andre, not an attack on you, as I am sure you were joking, but it seems to be the thought of at least a few minorities.  Well, here it goes.

As a minority in this country, or someone who is deemed as a disadvantaged person(basically anyone who isn't a white male) you are eligible for certain programs through the governments programs to be put at the top of the list for when they are advertising construction projects, or procuring any services in general, i.e. janitorial services, painting, buying widgets or whatever.  For instance, there is a program called disadvantaged business enterprise, or DBE, that allows for certain percentages of DOT projects across the US to have a minority goal of subcontractors, usually around 12%, and if the contractor who is bidding the project, even if his/her number is low, their bid is thrown out for not meeting the standard. It is very easy to do, you just have to apply in each state, and every state has the program.  You will literally be guaranteed work.  I have subcontracted on projects before, where the DBE number on a certain scope of work was higher than mine, and it was still given to them because they were trying to meet the goal.  Average size of my contracts are about $300,000 so you see where there can be a lot of waste on these contractors, especially if they are not capable of doing the work, which in some cases does happen because of the goals being so high, they get the contractors to take on more than they are capable of to meet the requirement.  But, can you blame the guys, someone tries to give you a ,million dollar contract, what are you going to say, no?  There are also programs working for the federal government, like 8(a), disabled veteran that are a bit harder to get, but you are guaranteed years worth of work, and get this, most of it is negotiated where you are guaranteed at least 20% margins.  Also, the more minority you are, the farther up the chain you go.  Say for instance, the holy grail is a native American female disabled veteran.  You are going to get people trying to find you just so they can give you money.  The Inuits in Alaska have a company under the umbrella corp. of Tikigaq which is given so much work it's not funny.

So, basically, someone like Wiggs, who is a black man, who served in the armed forces I believe ( if you can prove you were somewhat disabled, like a bit of hearing loss, hurt yourself in jump school) you can start a construction company and literally make yourself some serious coin.  I'm just trying to do my part, to try and help people with a little knowledge that they may have not otherwise known.  You can thank me later.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: G_Thang on June 15, 2013, 07:30:16 AM
This is bunch of shit.  I assembled a bid package after Katrina for a friend with prime contractors like Shaw Group, etc., who were suppose to redistributed over $380M in subcontracts.  It never happen.  Of course, they will drop a crumb to 1 or 2 dildos.  And the govt doesn't track how the prime contractor redistribute the funds.  If they did, Hildebrand would have been out of business, and Dick Cheney would be in jail rotting.  

Don't post this shit unless you have actually gone through the process as a minority. 
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Radical Plato on June 15, 2013, 07:32:13 AM
Is it still a capital offence for a black man to walk in public if deemed suspicious by a local racist?
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Irongrip400 on June 15, 2013, 07:33:52 AM
This is bunch of shit.  I assembled a bid package after Katrina for a friend with prime contractors like Shaw Group, etc., who were suppose to redistributed over $380M in subcontracts.  It never happen.  Of course, they will drop a crumb to 1 or 2 dildos.  And the govt doesn't track how the prime contractor redistribute the funds.  If they did, Hildebrand would have been out of business, and Dick Cheney would be in jail rotting.  

Shaw sucks, I have subbed from them, and am doing another one now.  They actually tried to straight up funnel me some work through an intermediary one time without the other company doing anything, but stepping on my $160k and "managing" it.  They're too big.  You need to get into DOT work then, because there is no way around it.  Either that, or you are in the wrong line of business, because I can guarantee you that the work will flow your way.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Psychopath on June 15, 2013, 07:35:43 AM
I don't know about Murica, but in Canada, most immigrants work hard for pennies on the dollar.

Yes, you get the free loaders, but the majority of people hold down a full-time job till they retire.

I think Chinese(high percentage), Philippino(high percentage), and some Indians/tamil/paki(about 50%) are a much better immigrant option if you want people to actually work.

Latins, and blacks are just a burden on society to a large extent. Our Native Aboriginal population is dwindling in numbers, and they commit lots of violent crimes as well.

Managers are for the most part of white European decent. Even though most companies abide by "equal opportunity employer" anti-discrimination laws, that doesn't apply to managers and people who are not doing dirty medial tasks.

Unlike America, the Canadian government is now cracking down on immigration and abuse of our social welfare system. I hope this works in the favour of Canada.

Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: G_Thang on June 15, 2013, 07:46:03 AM
Shaw sucks, I have subbed from them, and am doing another one now.  They actually tried to straight up funnel me some work through an intermediary one time without the other company doing anything, but stepping on my $160k and "managing" it.  They're too big.  You need to get into DOT work then, because there is no way around it.  Either that, or you are in the wrong line of business, because I can guarantee you that the work will flow your way.

I work clinical so there is nothing for me, but I have a girlfriend, who got the run around during Katrina.  Could you shoot me some info via PM?  I did the process for her back in 2006-07, so I'm blink at the moment on the process.  But she does ok without subbing for prime contractors.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: chaos on June 15, 2013, 08:31:21 AM
This is bunch of shit.  I assembled a bid package after Katrina for a friend with prime contractors like Shaw Group, etc., who were suppose to redistributed over $380M in subcontracts.  It never happen.  Of course, they will drop a crumb to 1 or 2 dildos.  And the govt doesn't track how the prime contractor redistribute the funds.  If they did, Hildebrand would have been out of business, and Dick Cheney would be in jail rotting.  

Don't post this shit unless you have actually gone through the process as a minority. 
Don't like the truth in what you read, attack!!

I work clinical so there is nothing for me, but I have a girlfriend, who got the run around during Katrina.  Could you shoot me some info via PM?  I did the process for her back in 2006-07, so I'm blink at the moment on the process.  But she does ok without subbing for prime contractors.
What? I can use you for info? Be my buddy.

 ::) ::)
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: G_Thang on June 15, 2013, 08:40:05 AM
Don't like the truth in what you read, attack!!
What? I can use you for info? Be my buddy.

 ::) ::)

Please go and get mauled by a bear in the California mountains.  You will do the legal system and tax payers a favor.

BTW brute, he isn't sending me any information.  Why would he give away his meal ticket to a stranger?  ::)
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: chaos on June 15, 2013, 09:12:52 AM
  Why would he give away his meal ticket to a stranger?  ::)
Exactly. About time you started earning your own way instead of looking for a handout.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: G_Thang on June 15, 2013, 09:14:16 AM
Exactly. About time you started earning your own way instead of looking for a handout.

I hope you pull your back flipping tires, caveman.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: chaos on June 15, 2013, 09:27:35 AM
I hope you pull your back flipping tires, caveman.
:-*
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Roger Bacon on June 15, 2013, 10:32:52 AM
And if they don't, it is because they are lazy or no one has told them what I am about to post.  I hope that some of you guys take some of this info, and better yourselves.  I am only posting this after reading this post in another thread:

Andre, not an attack on you, as I am sure you were joking, but it seems to be the thought of at least a few minorities.  Well, here it goes.

As a minority in this country, or someone who is deemed as a disadvantaged person(basically anyone who isn't a white male) you are eligible for certain programs through the governments programs to be put at the top of the list for when they are advertising construction projects, or procuring any services in general, i.e. janitorial services, painting, buying widgets or whatever.  For instance, there is a program called disadvantaged business enterprise, or DBE, that allows for certain percentages of DOT projects across the US to have a minority goal of subcontractors, usually around 12%, and if the contractor who is bidding the project, even if his/her number is low, their bid is thrown out for not meeting the standard. It is very easy to do, you just have to apply in each state, and every state has the program.  You will literally be guaranteed work.  I have subcontracted on projects before, where the DBE number on a certain scope of work was higher than mine, and it was still given to them because they were trying to meet the goal.  Average size of my contracts are about $300,000 so you see where there can be a lot of waste on these contractors, especially if they are not capable of doing the work, which in some cases does happen because of the goals being so high, they get the contractors to take on more than they are capable of to meet the requirement.  But, can you blame the guys, someone tries to give you a ,million dollar contract, what are you going to say, no?  There are also programs working for the federal government, like 8(a), disabled veteran that are a bit harder to get, but you are guaranteed years worth of work, and get this, most of it is negotiated where you are guaranteed at least 20% margins.  Also, the more minority you are, the farther up the chain you go.  Say for instance, the holy grail is a native American female disabled veteran.  You are going to get people trying to find you just so they can give you money.  The Inuits in Alaska have a company under the umbrella corp. of Tikigaq which is given so much work it's not funny.

So, basically, someone like Wiggs, who is a black man, who served in the armed forces I believe ( if you can prove you were somewhat disabled, like a bit of hearing loss, hurt yourself in jump school) you can start a construction company and literally make yourself some serious coin.  I'm just trying to do my part, to try and help people with a little knowledge that they may have not otherwise known.  You can thank me later.

Andre uses that argument all the time.  Absolutely everything black people have (besides the Earth itself) was given to them (blacks) by people of other races.

Instead of black history month, we should have white appreciation month where black people learn to appreciate our white forefathers for the modern world they single-handedly created. 

Andre could learn to appreciate the fact that white people don't owe him anything, and he's very fortunate that whites our so generous.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Archer77 on June 15, 2013, 01:33:43 PM
This is bunch of shit.  I assembled a bid package after Katrina for a friend with prime contractors like Shaw Group, etc., who were suppose to redistributed over $380M in subcontracts.  It never happen.  Of course, they will drop a crumb to 1 or 2 dildos.  And the govt doesn't track how the prime contractor redistribute the funds.  If they did, Hildebrand would have been out of business, and Dick Cheney would be in jail rotting.  

Don't post this shit unless you have actually gone through the process as a minority.  


Do you have any evidence that race is a factor?    Sounds like good old fashion corruption to me.   From my experience, minorities have extreme paranoia when it comes to how other races treat them.  This is particularly strange when people from your generation have it.  I assume it is a learned thing.  It's also a easy and expedient way to explain failing.

Truth is, you would help people of your own race before you would help anyone else.  Why do you find it so offensive when someone else does it. Id bet my last dollar that if you had to choose between a minority(excluding Asian) or a white person, even if the black person had lesser experience or skill, you would choose the minority out of some misplaced sense of loyalty and/or obligation.

 
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Parker on June 15, 2013, 02:33:32 PM
"Flourish", as in "the red bellied Pirahna flourishes in these waters."
Or, "Kudzu, which is a now a menace, flourishes in these climates."
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Teutonic Knight on June 15, 2013, 02:48:29 PM
I don't know about Murica, but in Canada, most immigrants work hard for pennies on the dollar.

Yes, you get the free loaders, but the majority of people hold down a full-time job till they retire.

I think Chinese(high percentage), Philippino(high percentage), and some Indians/tamil/paki(about 50%) are a much better immigrant option if you want people to actually work.

Latins, and blacks are just a burden on society to a large extent. Our Native Aboriginal population is dwindling in numbers, and they commit lots of violent crimes as well.

Managers are for the most part of white European decent. Even though most companies abide by "equal opportunity employer" anti-discrimination laws, that doesn't apply to managers and people who are not doing dirty medial tasks.

Unlike America, the Canadian government is now cracking down on immigration and abuse of our social welfare system. I hope this works in the favour of Canada.



Almost identical story in Australia too, every day boat load of "refuges" arrive from Sri Lanka .
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: hardgainerj on June 15, 2013, 03:01:18 PM


Latins, and blacks are just a burden on society to a large extent. Our Native Aboriginal population is dwindling in numbers, and they commit lots of violent crimes as well.



so colombians in canada are leaching off the government
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: shootfighter1 on June 15, 2013, 03:35:27 PM
If a 'minority' can do a better job, produce a better product, or complete a job less expensively than they deserve that job and I am 110% supportive.  I worked for a contracting company in a federal contract, black guy owned the company and he and his staff did a fantastic job and I absolutely enjoyed working with them...but everyone knew no white male owned contractors would ever win the bid for the government contract, people even joked about it...just the way things worked in the federal system.  I appreciate the noble intent of affirmative action because of the history of disgusting racism but we have to abolish it now.  Whites will be the minority in the 2030s and tons of people are mixed race.  So, potentially, anyone who is 25% 'minority' will be given opportunities that were designed for disadvantaged minorities of the past...but these fractional minorities don't deserve any assistance.  Point is its time in 2013 to stop treating people differently based on race, its much more complicated now.  
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Devon97 on June 15, 2013, 03:40:29 PM
Very true.

Minorities get so many handouts now a days it's scary.

Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Parker on June 15, 2013, 03:57:39 PM
Very true.

People get so many handouts now a days it's scary.


fixed...and that's why they are not flourishing..no incentive to do better. Do you know how many people get SSI disability and have virtually no disability? Tons! Get a check for $700 and nothing but smoke weed and play video games all day...or play golf all day. The government is fostering a culture, an attitude of dependency, of enabling, of entitlement thru-out all classes of people.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Psychopath on June 15, 2013, 04:06:47 PM
so colombians in canada are leaching off the government

You let in enough latins, and you'll get the same shit that's happening in America.

Remember, Canada has a points system so it doesn't let in retards. They prefer educated middle class families with savings, with preferably an established profession.

The population of Latins in Canada is next to nill, so obviously your point is moot.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: MCWAY on June 15, 2013, 04:17:18 PM
And if they don't, it is because they are lazy or no one has told them what I am about to post.  I hope that some of you guys take some of this info, and better yourselves.  I am only posting this after reading this post in another thread:

Andre, not an attack on you, as I am sure you were joking, but it seems to be the thought of at least a few minorities.  Well, here it goes.

As a minority in this country, or someone who is deemed as a disadvantaged person(basically anyone who isn't a white male) you are eligible for certain programs through the governments programs to be put at the top of the list for when they are advertising construction projects, or procuring any services in general, i.e. janitorial services, painting, buying widgets or whatever.  For instance, there is a program called disadvantaged business enterprise, or DBE, that allows for certain percentages of DOT projects across the US to have a minority goal of subcontractors, usually around 12%, and if the contractor who is bidding the project, even if his/her number is low, their bid is thrown out for not meeting the standard. It is very easy to do, you just have to apply in each state, and every state has the program.  You will literally be guaranteed work.  I have subcontracted on projects before, where the DBE number on a certain scope of work was higher than mine, and it was still given to them because they were trying to meet the goal.  Average size of my contracts are about $300,000 so you see where there can be a lot of waste on these contractors, especially if they are not capable of doing the work, which in some cases does happen because of the goals being so high, they get the contractors to take on more than they are capable of to meet the requirement.  But, can you blame the guys, someone tries to give you a ,million dollar contract, what are you going to say, no?  There are also programs working for the federal government, like 8(a), disabled veteran that are a bit harder to get, but you are guaranteed years worth of work, and get this, most of it is negotiated where you are guaranteed at least 20% margins.  Also, the more minority you are, the farther up the chain you go.  Say for instance, the holy grail is a native American female disabled veteran.  You are going to get people trying to find you just so they can give you money.  The Inuits in Alaska have a company under the umbrella corp. of Tikigaq which is given so much work it's not funny.

So, basically, someone like Wiggs, who is a black man, who served in the armed forces I believe ( if you can prove you were somewhat disabled, like a bit of hearing loss, hurt yourself in jump school) you can start a construction company and literally make yourself some serious coin.  I'm just trying to do my part, to try and help people with a little knowledge that they may have not otherwise known.  You can thank me later.

You are speaking the truth. I work(ed) in contracting and engineering; so I know firsthand that, when government (city, county, state, or federal) is looking for work to be done, those on the government side MUST look at disadvantaged business enterprises (DBEs) FIRST.

That means: Black-owned businesses, women-owned businesses, small businesses, veteran-owned businesses, businesses that use heavy disabled-folk labor, HBCUs.....and I wouldn't be surprised if gays and lesbians have been tacked onto that list.

The only way out of that is if you can pull off a sob story, known as a "Sole Source Jusitification", and have the right folk to sell the pitch to a government board.

Otherwise, if you're a black-Latino, half-blind, crippled, lesbian midget who owns a business, you get first crack at government projects....BY LAW. And the contractors have to do the same thing for the subcontractors they want to employ. It's almost to the point where we'll have signs that says Able-bodies heterosexual white dudes with big businesses need not apply!

Well, this gentleman seems to have an interesting view on this subject (Warning: this guy is as un-PC as it gets; language is RAW and real....but funny)!





Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Wiggs on June 15, 2013, 05:09:13 PM
And if they don't, it is because they are lazy or no one has told them what I am about to post.  I hope that some of you guys take some of this info, and better yourselves.  I am only posting this after reading this post in another thread:

Andre, not an attack on you, as I am sure you were joking, but it seems to be the thought of at least a few minorities.  Well, here it goes.

As a minority in this country, or someone who is deemed as a disadvantaged person(basically anyone who isn't a white male) you are eligible for certain programs through the governments programs to be put at the top of the list for when they are advertising construction projects, or procuring any services in general, i.e. janitorial services, painting, buying widgets or whatever.  For instance, there is a program called disadvantaged business enterprise, or DBE, that allows for certain percentages of DOT projects across the US to have a minority goal of subcontractors, usually around 12%, and if the contractor who is bidding the project, even if his/her number is low, their bid is thrown out for not meeting the standard. It is very easy to do, you just have to apply in each state, and every state has the program.  You will literally be guaranteed work.  I have subcontracted on projects before, where the DBE number on a certain scope of work was higher than mine, and it was still given to them because they were trying to meet the goal.  Average size of my contracts are about $300,000 so you see where there can be a lot of waste on these contractors, especially if they are not capable of doing the work, which in some cases does happen because of the goals being so high, they get the contractors to take on more than they are capable of to meet the requirement.  But, can you blame the guys, someone tries to give you a ,million dollar contract, what are you going to say, no?  There are also programs working for the federal government, like 8(a), disabled veteran that are a bit harder to get, but you are guaranteed years worth of work, and get this, most of it is negotiated where you are guaranteed at least 20% margins.  Also, the more minority you are, the farther up the chain you go.  Say for instance, the holy grail is a native American female disabled veteran.  You are going to get people trying to find you just so they can give you money.  The Inuits in Alaska have a company under the umbrella corp. of Tikigaq which is given so much work it's not funny.

So, basically, someone like Wiggs, who is a black man, who served in the armed forces I believe ( if you can prove you were somewhat disabled, like a bit of hearing loss, hurt yourself in jump school) you can start a construction company and literally make yourself some serious coin.  I'm just trying to do my part, to try and help people with a little knowledge that they may have not otherwise known.  You can thank me later.

LOL...What is is this? So Because I'm black and a vet (btw, I am "disabled" vet, have the card and everything), I also have a bachelor's degree. So with al those things plus the 10 years of being in the Air Force I can start my own company and get to the top or near the top because of black, vet, and disabled part?
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: MCWAY on June 15, 2013, 05:16:20 PM
LOL...What is is this? So Because I'm black and a vet (btw, I am "disabled" vet, have the card and everything), I also have a bachelor's degree. So with al those things plus the 10 years of being in the Air Force I can start my own company and get to the top or near the top because of black, vet, and disabled part?

Not quite! You get a definite look, if you're looking to work on a government project. Think of it as the Rooney Rule in football, applied to city, county, state, and federal jobs.

By law, a certain percentages of contractors have to be DBEs, unless you can pull off a Sole Source Justification. It's part of these uber-thick pubs, known as the Federal Acquisition Regulations (FAR).
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Wiggs on June 15, 2013, 05:19:50 PM
Not quite! You get a definite look, if you're looking to work on a government project. Think of it as the Rooney Rule in football, applied to city, county, state, and federal jobs.

By law, a certain percentages of contractors have to be DBEs, unless you can pull off a Sole Source Justification. It's part of these uber-thick pubs, known as the Federal Acquisition Regulations (FAR).

Got it, understand, and I don't hear about too many brothas and sisters starting their own businesses via fed contracting. I'll give a it a look. Is there a website to view what contracts are "open". If those are the words? I'd like to just browse to get some ideas.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Irongrip400 on June 15, 2013, 05:26:04 PM
Got it, understand, and I don't hear about too many brothas and sisters starting their own businesses via fed contracting. I'll give a it a look. Is there a website to view what contracts are "open". If those are the words? I'd like to just browse to get some ideas.

PM me for details.(no homo)
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Wiggs on June 15, 2013, 05:33:59 PM
PM me for details.(no homo)

Done.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Childish///AMG on June 15, 2013, 05:36:54 PM
Interesting, some things I'll look into before I "Retire"
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: _bruce_ on June 15, 2013, 06:04:43 PM
I don't know about Murica, but in Canada, most immigrants work hard for pennies on the dollar.

Yes, you get the free loaders, but the majority of people hold down a full-time job till they retire.

I think Chinese(high percentage), Philippino(high percentage), and some Indians/tamil/paki(about 50%) are a much better immigrant option if you want people to actually work.

Latins, and blacks are just a burden on society to a large extent. Our Native Aboriginal population is dwindling in numbers, and they commit lots of violent crimes as well.

Managers are for the most part of white European decent. Even though most companies abide by "equal opportunity employer" anti-discrimination laws, that doesn't apply to managers and people who are not doing dirty medial tasks.

Unlike America, the Canadian government is now cracking down on immigration and abuse of our social welfare system. I hope this works in the favour of Canada.



Post reported to the Nelson Mandela society.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: andreisdaman on June 15, 2013, 06:28:42 PM
sigh..another tired old anti-black rant disguised as an educational thread...the fact of the matter is that the vast majority of handouts in this country are given to groups other than black people....Whites get huge gov't subsidies and are the vast majority of people on welfare.....(sure go ahead and bring in the % argument as always)..white women have been big time beneficiaries of affirmative action for years.....more than any other single group...and how about all the handouts and subsidies that Asians, American Indians and Hispanics get?

the fact is, every American of every color including blacks have their finger in the pie....you guys have an obsession with blacks and like to single them out for some reason which just exposes your true inner racism.....but realistically, if you THINK, you will see that whites are disproportionately being subsidized by the gov't through direct subsidy in terms of food stamps, welfare and especially MEDICAID....or through the tax codes.....

if you talk about being a burden on society, white seniors are the vast majority of people burdening the MEDICARE system, a large percentage of blacks are on welfare...agreed...but there are large percentages of Hispanics and Native Americans on Welfare as well....as for making excuses, I guess the Native Americans are making excuses as well huh?..I guess they too are lazy, dont want to work and living off of the Gov't on purpose right?
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Slapper on June 15, 2013, 07:01:24 PM
My parents came over from Europe in 1984. They have property in both countries, plenty of money in the bank and put us 4 brothers and sister through expensive colleges. They didn't even have a high school diploma.

Not making it in the USA is like losing a round of golf to a 3-year old.

If you're THAT dumb then you ought to shoot yourself, not collect money from the government.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Irongrip400 on June 15, 2013, 07:09:35 PM
sigh..another tired old anti-black rant disguised as an educational thread...the fact of the matter is that the vast majority of handouts in this country are given to groups other than black people....Whites get huge gov't subsidies and are the vast majority of people on welfare.....(sure go ahead and bring in the % argument as always)..white women have been big time beneficiaries of affirmative action for years.....more than any other single group...and how about all the handouts and subsidies that Asians, American Indians and Hispanics get?

the fact is, every American of every color including blacks have their finger in the pie....you guys have an obsession with blacks and like to single them out for some reason which just exposes your true inner racism.....but realistically, if you THINK, you will see that whites are disproportionately being subsidized by the gov't through direct subsidy in terms of food stamps, welfare and especially MEDICAID....or through the tax codes.....

if you talk about being a burden on society, white seniors are the vast majority of people burdening the MEDICARE system, a large percentage of blacks are on welfare...agreed...but there are large percentages of Hispanics and Native Americans on Welfare as well....as for making excuses, I guess the Native Americans are making excuses as well huh?..I guess they too are lazy, dont want to work and living off of the Gov't on purpose right?

Andre, why did you specifically target blacks? I'm talking all minorities. The fact is, there's nothing racist about it, I'm legitimately trying to help, so we can all get past this bullshit and make a bit of coin. The thread tie was just a "shock" title to get some traffic. Relax, I'll send you a white girl gif.  :D
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Wiggs on June 15, 2013, 07:12:46 PM
I'm happy that this kind white gentlemen is giving me secrets of the whites.

 8)
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Irongrip400 on June 15, 2013, 07:15:50 PM
I'm happy that this kind white gentlemen is giving me secrets of the whites.

 8)

Next ill be telling you how to pick up skinny hot white women.  ;D
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Irongrip400 on June 15, 2013, 07:24:54 PM
Guess what all of u so-called "conservatives" celebrating D-Day and WW II on these boards? It was a disaster for the white man. America was white then. For some reason, we sent an army over to Europe to fight other whites. Now America is quickly becoming North Mexico and Europe is overrun by Moslems. All of the colonies once ruled by the white man are gone (almost all of which were lost after WW II).

Was it worth it?

We went because Hitler declared war on us, and Japan bombed us. What does that have to do with anything?
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Archer77 on June 15, 2013, 07:26:15 PM
Andre, why did you specifically target blacks? I'm talking all minorities. The fact is, there's nothing racist about it, I'm legitimately trying to help, so we can all get past this bullshit and make a bit of coin. The thread tie was just a "shock" title to get some traffic. Relax, I'll send you a white girl gif.  :D

Hes not going to let you take away his bogeyman.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: G_Thang on June 15, 2013, 07:27:46 PM
Very true.

Minorities get so many handouts now a days it's scary.



You must be on fucking dope.  What do you think those no-bid prime contracts that go to Shaw Group, etc. are?  If minorities can move trees from in front of their homes with their hands and shovels, how the fuck they can't do it with a crane from the warehouse they already work at during the week?

White Man's Bullshit!  To this day, I haven't met a minority who benefited from the REAL white collar govt handouts.  I'm not talking about food stamps and that gossip show bullshit.  
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: oldschoolfan on June 15, 2013, 07:38:00 PM
let me chime in about asians my wife is filipino and she works her ass off. shes a r.n and works 6o to 70 hrs every week and never complains.

i was in management before and let me say , the africans i had working under me were the most lazy people ive ever worked with.  strait up ghetto trash, dumbe than shit to .

none of them even hard cars, but they made sure they had a cell phone and the newest pair of air jordan, not the britest people in the world
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Tapeworm on June 15, 2013, 09:17:25 PM
Almost identical story in Australia too, every day boat load of "refuges" arrive from Sri Lanka .

I've seen sections where they ask the subbie to list details of aboriginal workers.  Nothing to do with the race of the company's owner.  There's no preference given to employers of immigrants.


Companies that handle civil works have 10s-100s of millions of dollars worth of equipment, so being black and owning a $3 hammer isn't really going to guarantee success.  Besides, the amount of corruption in these projects dwarfs any of the legislation being bitched about.  I imagine everyone right down to the guy holding the stop sign has a greasy palm on these sort of contracts.  
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Parker on June 15, 2013, 09:24:58 PM
My parents came over from Europe in 1984. They have property in both countries, plenty of money in the bank and put us 4 brothers and sister through expensive colleges. They didn't even have a high school diploma.

Not making it in the USA is like losing a round of golf to a 3-year old.

If you're THAT dumb then you ought to shoot yourself, not collect money from the government.
Hmmmm
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Parker on June 15, 2013, 09:28:00 PM
let me chime in about asians my wife is filipino and she works her ass off. shes a r.n and works 6o to 70 hrs every week and never complains.

i was in management before and let me say , the africans i had working under me were the most lazy people ive ever worked with.  strait up ghetto trash, dumbe than shit to .

none of them even hard cars, but they made sure they had a cell phone and the newest pair of air jordan, not the britest people in the world
Hmmmm...there are a shortage of RNs in the US, so alot are coming from the Philipines...
hardworkers, eh, yet the country is a third world country? Why is it that all these "hard workers" come from countries that are not benefitting from all this hard work? Africans, Asians, Latinos---all these "hard workers" and the countries are poor.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Roger Bacon on June 15, 2013, 09:31:54 PM
Why is it that all these "hard workers" come from countries that are not benefitting from all this hard work?

Their governments have already gone the way ours is going now. 
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: andreisdaman on June 15, 2013, 09:31:59 PM
Andre, why did you specifically target blacks? I'm talking all minorities. The fact is, there's nothing racist about it, I'm legitimately trying to help, so we can all get past this bullshit and make a bit of coin. The thread tie was just a "shock" title to get some traffic. Relax, I'll send you a white girl gif.  :D

I didn't target blacks and neither did you, but many others on here did.....but you make a legit point when you say that you want all of us to make coin....and herein lies the key....whites in this country have got to let blacks make coin....only when blacks and other minorities have money will all this discrimination bullshit and accusations end...whites control all of the institutions...they have to begin enacting policies whereby the average black guy and white guy can go in and get loans and needed tech support and guidance to start businesses..not just throw them a bone (job)

Silicon valley can't be just white guys starting businesses.... Native Americans, blacks, hispanics etc have to be allowed to have access to venture capital, loans, and wall street..and whites have to have the attitude not to feel threatened by this....yes white income will go down...but there would be more shared income for everyone...whites cannot keep controlling 97% of all capital in America...until this inequality is addressed then nothing will happen...and we have to start hiring all these guys who are in jail as well...they get out and have nothing to do...next thing you know they are raping your sister and killing people in muggings...and at the same time black guys have to stop bitching and moaning.....yes there is still discrimination, racism, etc, but tough shit....go out and work and go to college and see what happens

we have to get this done because the chinese and Indians are gonna kick our asses if we keep being distracted with this bullcrap...and believe me....I would rather be controlled by whites than by those guys.....and I would hope whites would feel better off being controlled by blacks someday rather than the chinese or indians who will have no mercy on any of us...at least we are Americans
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Parker on June 15, 2013, 09:33:33 PM
Their governments have already gone the way ours is going now. 
Many of them seem like this from the outset.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: pluck on June 15, 2013, 09:41:09 PM
Hmmmm...there are a shortage of RNs in the US, so alot are coming from the Philipines...
hardworkers, eh, yet the country is a third world country? Why is it that all these "hard workers" come from countries that are not benefitting from all this hard work? Africans, Asians, Latinos---all these "hard workers" and the countries are poor.

Their governments suck.

During communism in Europe you could work your dick off & the government still was gonna take all your money. What's the point then?
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Archer77 on June 15, 2013, 09:43:54 PM
I didn't target blacks and neither did you, but many others on here did.....but you make a legit point when you say that you want all of us to make coin....and herein lies the key....whites in this country have got to let blacks make coin....only when blacks and other minorities have money will all this discrimination bullshit and accusations end...whites control all of the institutions...they have to begin enacting policies whereby the average black guy and white guy can go in and get loans and needed tech support and guidance to start businesses..not just throw them a bone (job)

Silicon valley can't be just white guys starting businesses.... Native Americans, blacks, hispanics etc have to be allowed to have access to venture capital, loans, and wall street..and whites have to have the attitude not to feel threatened by this....yes white income will go down...but there would be more shared income for everyone...whites cannot keep controlling 97% of all capital in America...until this inequality is addressed then nothing will happen...and we have to start hiring all these guys who are in jail as well...they get out and have nothing to do...next thing you know they are raping your sister and killing people in muggings...and at the same time black guys have to stop bitching and moaning.....yes there is still discrimination, racism, etc, but tough shit....go out and work and go to college and see what happens

we have to get this done because the chinese and Indians are gonna kick our asses if we keep being distracted with this bullcrap...and believe me....I would rather be controlled by whites than by those guys.....and I would hope whites would feel better off being controlled by blacks someday rather than the chinese or indians who will have no mercy on any of us...at least we are Americans

You say white people need to do this and white people need to do that.  You lump all white people into a single collective mass who have the power to grant you wishes. White people don't get together as a group once a month to discuss how we are going to keep black people poor. The majority of white people are living their lives and trying to provide for their families and don't have the time to conspire to keep a brotha down.  More importantly they don't have the power you want to believe they do.

Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Roger Bacon on June 15, 2013, 09:46:43 PM
I didn't target blacks and neither did you, but many others on here did.....but you make a legit point when you say that you want all of us to make coin....and herein lies the key....whites in this country have got to let blacks make coin....only when blacks and other minorities have money will all this discrimination bullshit and accusations end...whites control all of the institutions...they have to begin enacting policies whereby the average black guy and white guy can go in and get loans and needed tech support and guidance to start businesses..not just throw them a bone (job)

Silicon valley can't be just white guys starting businesses.... Native Americans, blacks, hispanics etc have to be allowed to have access to venture capital, loans, and wall street..and whites have to have the attitude not to feel threatened by this....yes white income will go down...but there would be more shared income for everyone...whites cannot keep controlling 97% of all capital in America...until this inequality is addressed then nothing will happen...and we have to start hiring all these guys who are in jail as well...they get out and have nothing to do...next thing you know they are raping your sister and killing people in muggings...and at the same time black guys have to stop bitching and moaning.....yes there is still discrimination, racism, etc, but tough shit....go out and work and go to college and see what happens

we have to get this done because the chinese and Indians are gonna kick our asses if we keep being distracted with this bullcrap...and believe me....I would rather be controlled by whites than by those guys.....and I would hope whites would feel better off being controlled by blacks someday rather than the chinese or indians who will have no mercy on any of us...at least we are Americans

Why have Europeans held Africans back, and not the other way around?  ???

I mean, what is it about white people?  Are we genetically predisposed to take advantage of others?

I know that slavery was big in Africa before Europeans ever came along.


Had Africans had the same advances and means that Europeans possessed, would they not have done the same thing?

???
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: oldschoolfan on June 16, 2013, 05:00:06 AM
its the goverments over there, phillipines is like a class system  you have the same familys that own everything the wages are super low there to.

ive been there several times. her sister came over here and made something of herself.

ive worked with all races when i was in management, blacks are the laziest and dumbest ive worked with, they just dont give a shit.  all of them were on some form of wellfare to

getting them to come to work on time was impossible to .
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: andreisdaman on June 16, 2013, 07:10:31 AM
You say white people need to do this and white people need to do that.  You lump all white people into a single collective mass who have the power to grant you wishes. White people don't get together as a group once a month to discuss how we are going to keep black people poor. The majority of white people are living their lives and trying to provide for their families and don't have the time to conspire to keep a brotha down.  More importantly they don't have the power you want to believe they do.



I like your post.....of course white people don't get together and discuss strategy for keeping people down....they don't have to..its something thats left unsaid...whites have benefited collectively from laws which were put in place many many years ago by your great grandfathers to propel whites way ahead of everyone else....blacks could not go to college and could not compete with whites for jobs, the best land, etc....not whining about anything....just putting the facts out there...why is talking about the truth "whining"???...whites were given a huge head start which lasted generations...during this time you were able to acquire wealth , etc......it wasn't just by custom and tradition but BY LAW...and the legacies of those laws still have a profound impact on society today..look at what the American Indians are going through....they are worse off than blacks...are they making excuses and whining too????????????

and I did say that blacks have to stop making excuses and get off their asses....and many of them have....but not having money or the resources and contacts that whites have severely limits their options.....surely even you can see that
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: andreisdaman on June 16, 2013, 07:15:58 AM
Why have Europeans held Africans back, and not the other way around?  ???

I mean, what is it about white people?  Are we genetically predisposed to take advantage of others?

I know that slavery was big in Africa before Europeans ever came along.


Had Africans had the same advances and means that Europeans possessed, would they not have done the same thing?

???


genetically predisposed???...no, not sure of that...but whites have a collective culture that they are better than anyone else and it comes through in their daily activities and in how they collectively approach relationships with each other and with minorities...a very strong ethnocentrism that conflicts with their "sense of fair play"....Hence the term "white guilt"

and to say whether Africans would have done the same given the chance....I would say probably yes, but the burden of history is on whites unfortunately..
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Roger Bacon on June 16, 2013, 10:06:29 AM
but whites have a collective culture that they are better than anyone else and it comes through in their daily activities and in how they collectively approach relationships with each other and with minorities...a very strong ethnocentrism that conflicts with their "sense of fair play"

I don't see the problem? 
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Roger Bacon on June 16, 2013, 10:10:25 AM
and to say whether Africans would have done the same given the chance....I would say probably yes, but the burden of history is on whites unfortunately..

Why didn't Africans have the chance?  ???

Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Psychopath on June 16, 2013, 10:13:39 AM
Currently, there's nothing restricting black folks from becoming wealthy middle class within a few generations.

They just have to get rid of their stupid inner-city accent/slang, and start holding down jobs, quit pumping out kids, and quit raping, selling dope and bouncing balls for potential careers.

It's really very fucking simple, but it involves hard work and multi-generational planning.


WHITE POWER
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Archer77 on June 16, 2013, 10:23:26 AM
Why didn't Africans have the chance?  ???



They even had a head start

I don't see the problem?  

Every group has this dynamic.  If he doesn't think Mexicans and blacks play favorites hes living in a dream world.  He also makes the mistake of defining "white"-even using the word white is a major generalization-as monolithic and united in identity, history and intent.   "White culture" in the United States is a collage of various cultures with very loose affiliations.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Lord Chronos on June 16, 2013, 10:24:30 AM


Unlike America, the Canadian government is now cracking down on immigration and abuse of our social welfare system. I hope this works in the favour of Canada.



Interesting, they are actually doing somthing about it? Seems like every other "developed" countries government doesnt give a damn. Will be interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Roger Bacon on June 16, 2013, 10:25:46 AM
Currently, there's nothing restricting black folks from becoming wealthy middle class within a few generations.

They just have to get rid of their stupid inner-city accent/slang, and start holding down jobs, quit pumping out kids, and quit raping, selling dope and bouncing balls for potential careers.

It's really very fucking simple, but it involves hard work and multi-generational planning.


WHITE POWER

That's what I'm trying to say.  White people don't owe anyone anything, this isn't a white country.  You don't see Asian immigrants going around saying white people dominate silicon valley and they need to give minorities this and that and blah blah blah...  

I sincerely cannot understand Andres outlook.  Instead of trying to get something from whites, how about just creating something for yourself the way white people did.  No one gave anything to whites who risked their lifes exploring the oceans our building societies around the world.

I'll immigrate to Sub-Saharan Africa, and see what kind of affirmative action I'm granted to more successfully integrate into their great society.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Roger Bacon on June 16, 2013, 10:30:22 AM
Every group has this dynamic.  If he doesn't think Mexicans and blacks play favorites hes living in a dream world.  He also makes the mistake of defining "white"-even using the word white is a major generalization-as monolithic and united in identity, history and intent.   "White culture" in the United States is a collage of various cultures with very loose affiliations.

This is what I find so despicable about our politicians. 

That "Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, White countries for everyone" saying really is true and it's completely wrong. 
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Roger Bacon on June 16, 2013, 10:34:45 AM
If he doesn't think Mexicans and blacks play favorites hes living in a dream world.  

The so called "minorities" can openly play favorites, if white people do it it's racist.

There's definitely a war on whites, worldwide.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Archer77 on June 16, 2013, 10:39:07 AM
The so called "minorities" can openly play favorites, if white people do it it's racist.

There's definitely a war on whites, worldwide.

In the minds of certain people, you are responsible for the actions of other people.  It is your job to rectify the mistakes of men long dead and buried.  Now, is it fair to demand that?  The answer is pretty obvious.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Lord Chronos on June 16, 2013, 10:43:51 AM
The so called "minorities" can openly play favorites, if white people do it it's racist.

There's definitely a war on whites, worldwide.

very true, Arab countries are buying up UK PLC in bulk,  75% of the companies on the London Stock exchange are owned by Arabs, hence why all the goverments bend over backwards to accomodate mass building of mosques.

I suspect part of the this is in the grand scheme of "flattening the world" economically and socially. Once you eradicate the smart fraction of people across europe and other first world countries you can bring them down to the other lowest common denominators. This will make it easier to roll out a single currency.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Mawse on June 16, 2013, 10:46:40 AM
It hard for anyone to flourish without a good deal of luck, and if you were born into a family of hood rats or illegals who don't value education then even graduating high school will be a challenge.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: andreisdaman on June 16, 2013, 11:09:59 AM
They even had a head start

Every group has this dynamic.  If he doesn't think Mexicans and blacks play favorites hes living in a dream world.  He also makes the mistake of defining "white"-even using the word white is a major generalization-as monolithic and united in identity, history and intent.   "White culture" in the United States is a collage of various cultures with very loose affiliations.

To say Africans had a head start is the most idiotic and ridiculous statement ever made in the history of GetBig...even you don't believe that I'm sure..and if you do then that says a lot about you
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Archer77 on June 16, 2013, 11:11:57 AM
To say Africans had a head start is the most idiotic and ridiculous statement ever made in the history of GetBig...even you don't believe that I'm sure..and if you do then that says a lot about you

It's a reference to wiggs statements.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Slapper on June 16, 2013, 11:13:16 AM
Hmmmm

Need a hug?
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Roger Bacon on June 16, 2013, 11:28:41 AM
very true, Arab countries are buying up UK PLC in bulk,  75% of the companies on the London Stock exchange are owned by Arabs, hence why all the goverments bend over backwards to accomodate mass building of mosques.

I suspect part of the this is in the grand scheme of "flattening the world" economically and socially. Once you eradicate the smart fraction of people across europe and other first world countries you can bring them down to the other lowest common denominators. This will make it easier to roll out a single currency.

Bingo

Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: James28 on June 16, 2013, 11:29:26 AM
To say Africans had a head start is the most idiotic and ridiculous statement ever made in the history of GetBig...even you don't believe that I'm sure..and if you do then that says a lot about you

Clearly you missed the time when Goodrum claimed he had enough muscle mass for a natural pro card
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: andreisdaman on June 16, 2013, 11:30:01 AM
Clearly you missed the time when Goodrum claimed he had enough muscle mass for a natural pro card

I stand corrected
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: pluck on June 16, 2013, 11:49:23 AM
Lot of finger pointing in this thread. An argument can be made for any race that can show it has been privileged or discriminated against.

Bottom line is that this country still provides people the tools to succeed...if and only if they are willing to work hard & get on a path.

Btw, by success I mean improving your living & financial situation in relation to where one is currently.

There are people across all spectrums that no matter what, will always be low lives & finger pointers.

Great illustration is that homeless guy with the great voice. Wasn't he given a tv or radio deal but he still went back to the streets? ...you get my point.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: King Shizzo on June 16, 2013, 01:46:18 PM
As a white king, I can't begin to tell you how hard it is these days. Hire a few white servants, people comlain. Hire some ethnic cooks, people complain. Now the king just hires the best person for the job. Fuck quotas.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Irongrip400 on June 16, 2013, 05:45:03 PM
As a white king, I can't begin to tell you how hard it is these days. Hire a few white servants, people comlain. Hire some ethnic cooks, people complain. Now the king just hires the best person for the job. Fuck quotas.

The fuck are you talking about?
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: King Shizzo on June 16, 2013, 05:51:23 PM
The fuck are you talking about?
Its hard to be the king.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: Psychopath on June 16, 2013, 05:53:54 PM
Its hard to be the king.


FUCK OFF.
Title: Re: Minorities in this country have no reason to not flourish...
Post by: hardgainerj on June 16, 2013, 10:36:26 PM
Currently, there's nothing restricting black folks from becoming wealthy middle class within a few generations.

They just have to get rid of their stupid inner-city accent/slang, and start holding down jobs, quit pumping out kids, and quit raping, selling dope and bouncing balls for potential careers.

It's really very fucking simple, but it involves hard work and multi-generational planning.


WHITE POWER
over the years there has been an increase in black middleclass family ever hear of blackflight